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Had it partners, for your safety, remain seated with your hands, arms, feet and legs inside the train and be sure to watch your kids. If any of you folks are wearing hats or glasses, best remove them because this here is the wildest ride in the wilderness! Ladies and gentlemen, your flight has been momentarily delayed. Please remain in your seat until the tower gives us clearance to continue on our present flight path. Thank you. You're healing, you're healing, eat my soup for lunch, feeling good. Excuse them, I don't care. This one isn't either. Thank you. Who are you, man? Yeah, who are you? Who are you? Apparently we picked a bad day to do the podcast. Apparently it's March break weekend and there's a Leafs game and people probably have a life. But you know what? You guys who have joined us, this is going to be awesome. Bye chat box. Okay. Oh my goodness. You know the drill. How was your weekend, Mr. Weight Loss? I had a rough week. Oh my god. I had a rough week but the weight loss is going really well. It is going really well. It's going really well. I'm down, I think like 15, 16 pounds now. That's awesome. That is impressive. Yeah. That time that you started. What about you over there? I was at school all week. School couldn't be me. Stay in school. My week was interesting. How was your story? Work drove past Wonderland every single day this week. No, the snow storm. Did I go on the snow storm? No, I didn't. Oh, I don't drive past Wonderland or walk around. Oh, you don't? And you do? I have no life. And what have you seen while there? You know what? There's been some exciting stuff going on. Like snow. There's geese. There's cranes. There's cranes. There's lots of cranes. There are a lot of cranes. There's a behemoth crane. There's a... A Leviathan crane. And a... A snoopy. Something railway? Something railway. Something railway. There's a crane for that. Ted's railway. The biggest crane out of all... This makes no sense to me. So this crane has to be for Tundra Twister as well. That's the only reason I can think of that. When I was coming off the highway and I first saw it that day, like how tall it was, it was like as tall as Windseeker. And I'm like, oh my God, what are they doing? Are they doing something to Leviathan? They just removed the top portion of the lift and dropped it. I would honestly cry. So yes, the park has been very active this week. Yeah, it was eventful. Where are we going next weekend? Okay. So this... No matter what, it's going to be fun. But first of all, we are going to Busch Gardens, Williamsburg, Saturday, March 18th. And then we are going to King's Dominion, Sunday, March 19th. It is going to be his first time going there. We are super excited now. Don't get into anything, because I have a... Your trigger involves some of the... It's our trigger this time. Very triggering. And we are going to attempt to do the podcast. Next Saturday in Williamsburg. What time does the park close on Saturday? 9 p.m. So we are going to delay the podcast start time to about 9 p.m., 9.30 p.m. most likely. And it's going to be from my phone. So give us... Relax a little bit on the professionalism. And we're going to be drunk. I'm not a driver. I'm a driver. I am not drinking. You should just Uber to the park. We should all just split an Uber. A hotel? An hour? Oh my goodness. Okay, so I'm going to be trash. And then there's the bridge tool. Has most of the big coasters closed. Stop it. We are... Who is this? Who is this? Push Garden. Okay, so who are you? Kate and Flatrides. Kate and Flatrides, yeah. Yeah, Flatrides. No, who are you really? Who am I? I'm Kate and Coasters. I'm on TikTok mostly. I feel like I should be playing a sad violin to this right now. And if I do not find somebody soon. My name's Kaden and I make TikToks. And for a dollar a day. I mean, that's all it costs to feed him, I bet. No? Okay, the mom's shaking her head no in the corner. The mom's here. She's reading a book. Is she actually? Oh my God. Okay, but you know what? You know what we're going to do? We're going to get right into the trigger. And I'm already like agitated because we were playing a board game and I lost. And whole child! I just clicked the intro. Okay, here we go. You know what? You know what? This affects you as much as it affects me. So I don't want to hear anything about it, okay? Don't even get me started guys. This has been such a process. I can show you the call logs. I've legit been calling these parks like five times, six times per park. And each time I call, I speak to a different person and I get a different answer. But you know, I just called Kings Dominion two hours ago and they got very upset with me. He was on the phone with Kings Dominion and like I 100% understand their side. Like we knew we're enthusiasts too. But like we're calling from Canada. We're calling because we have like a 10 hour drive to your park. We just want to know if it's going to be open because there's great area by the way. There's a chance as closed and definitely on the website isn't there. I know. So that's why they updated it. Ryan, we called Kings Dominion today and they said that they haven't... We got two answers. One had said they started getting it ready and another one said that they had not started getting it ready. Someone said Jungle X wasn't even open. And then we called and she didn't even know if Jungle X was open. So I don't even think they know what's going on. So my little tweet prank on Surya backfired on me. So we have pantheon that's not going to be open. Most likely and I'll explain why. And I 305 is in the air. Like the park didn't really know. They said there's a chance, but we don't know. And he was basically like, are we done helping you now? Like literally and I was like... And when you call Bush Gardens, it's just not... Why don't we show them? Should we show them? Call Bush Gardens. We are going to be calling Bush Gardens right now. You guys have to hear this. They are so unhelpful on the phone at Bush Gardens. Okay. Give me a second. Give me a second. You guys are going to get a kick out of this. Can you delay your trip? I mean, like, I really need this trip. You don't have to hold it too close to the microphone because it's going to be... Watch it like you're call blocked. I can have that. Oh, here we go. Williamsburg and Water Country USA. Our contact center is currently closed. And normal operating hours are from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Well, I guess that's it. Ambassador. And it just automatically hangs up. It's like, goodbye. But you know what? That was almost just as helpful as talking to an ambassador. Oh, my God. He called earlier and the guy was literally like, just check the website. And he's like, yes, but like, you know, we have a far drive. We heard there's a chance that you guys are getting the rides ready. And he's like, yeah. Yeah, we couldn't piece it together. So like, OK, thank you, hung up. I didn't call Kings Dominion and they got frustrated. I mean, as they should. And then that was my second time. You're like, have you guys even started getting the ride ready? Ask them to commission it. Is it on the track? Is it on the track? I mean, who calls? Can you imagine someone calling wondering? I'd be like, is Levi on the track? They'd be like... I would 100% call and ask them that. That's a very valid question. That's not something they get asked every day, though. But yes. OK, so I figured out a way to look at if the rides are going to be open at Busch Gardens Williamsburg on our trip. And I was like, why don't I look at Fastlane sales? Because you have to, when you sell Fastlane, you have to explain what product you're getting with your Fastlane. I was like, so the answer is going to be there. Well, I shouldn't have done that because now I'm upset. So Fastlane isn't available to be sold until the 25th. And the winter Fastlane is available until the 25th. So what that tells me is the rides aren't going to be open until the 25th of March. Fingers crossed. That's not true, but it makes logical sense. I will say, though, Apollos Chariot, Alpengeist, and Verbalton are all phenomenal rides, though. So it's still going to be fun. And the food. The food. Mange. Mange, mange. Yes. And King's Dominion, too. Worst-case scenario, no I-3-5. Twisted Timbers is great. Dominator is great. What else is open? Anaconda. Anaconda, Reptilian. So you get a Bobsled Coaster. OK, that's cool. I really want the... Yeah, that's open. No, but the... Light of Fear? No. Is Light of Fear open? No, it's not. No, Bushgardens, Williamsburg. Oh, Tempesto. Tempesto. I really want to get on that. I hope that's open. I'm triggered. That is a little triggering. It's a little... You know what? We've actually... I'm not even joking, guys. Like, we've... This is, like, the most stressed. I think we've been in a while. At least I haven't been in a while. Whose poverty phone keeps going off? I... Do I apologize? Get the Android out of here. For a dollar a day. The mom's giving us a lift. Read your buck. No, but it is really unfortunate, but you know what? It's been such a long winter, and I'm sure all of you can attest to that. Like, we don't want to delay it any longer, and, yeah, we might not be able to ride everything. However, there's still a good amount to do. The good news is I have a camera, and I have a camera mount for my wrist, my limp wrist. I'm going to film POVs of our reactions on the ride. It'll be cool. Again, I don't want to hype it up. The vlog's going to be really cool. It is going to be cool. We have a plan. It's going to be a good vlog. And Alpengeist is amazing. Like, literally is amazing. It would be the best ride at Wonderland. Everbolten is amazing. It would be the best ride at Wonderland. No, it wouldn't. Yes, it would. No, it wouldn't. Yes, it would. Apparently, there's three storylines. I mean, there's a dark forest. And in the dark forest, you get three... Same with, like, in the shed. Yeah, it's like a little red riding hood. Okay. You know what? Guys, I'm going to tell you right now. This is about to be a two versus one. Okay? This is about to be a two versus one. Oh, my God. Here we go. The next topic. Here we go. It don't hate on her. You know what the funny thing is? You were so adamant against this ride. The whole time, all he was like is, no. No, no, no. Pipeline this. Pipeline that. You're standing up. Who wants to stand up? I was like one inversion. Who are you? Who are you? Pip Coaster looks pathetic. Thank you. Yes. Look at her. She's hauling. Very, very... She's hauling. So I can't say Leviathan is hauling, but you can say this is hauling. Look at her in the sunset. Yeah, you're looking at her barely making it in the sunset. She's doing great. She's... Sweetie's awesome. Okay, real talk. We'll do one at a time. Brendan, what are your honest thoughts about this? Okay. I hate that it's a stand-up. Okay. I absolutely hate that it's... It makes no sense for this layout. I think B&M should sell sit-down launch coasters. So you think... Lower to the ground. This one's a little high, in my opinion. And they should have gone with it. Oh, it's a stand-up. So a top hat would have been weird. But I would like to see B&M with this same principle remove that stand-up train, try a launch coaster. Like a sit-down launch coaster. I'm scared because I feel like Wonderland's looking at this right now. And I'm like... You know what? You could probably even keep that same layout. How much? How much for that surf coaster in the window? And Kaden, what do you think of Pipeline, the surf coaster? Again, this is like a first attempt at a stand-up launch coaster from B&M. So I'm not expecting too much from it. But again, like Brendan said, the stand-up feature, it doesn't seem that appealing being like that. If it was a sit-down and lower to the ground elements, and maybe the course crew or whatever they named it as, it was like a little tighter and lower to the ground that would look better. You know, just because you're tall like a giraffe doesn't mean... So I actually don't mind stand-ups like Green Lantern at Great Adventures. It's very intense. It's a little rough. I think that's fine. But at the same time, I don't think too many people want to stand up on a ride anymore. I think the launch looks a little bit weak. Now, I am a really big fan of launches. And maybe it's just because this was one of the first runs. So maybe it needs to warm up. Maybe it needs more weight on the train. But overall, like the way it takes the elements, I think is a little bit slow or drawn out. Like that inversion right there, that reminds me of Gatekeeper, which is so drawn out. And I think this is what most new B&Ms are plagued with are those more extended elements. And I will say, even Leviathan has it, you know, minus fury, but pretty much everything B&M has built in the last 15 years is a little more drawn out. And I don't know when you're standing up. Maybe some of these inversions may hit differently. So I have to wait to see for that. But to me, it looks drawn out and it looks sluggish. I've about had it with your opinions. An intimate video will pop up on YouTube first test run. And I'll be like, oh, it's looking sluggish. And he's like, it's the first test run. We can't judge the first test run, guys. This is Surya. I'm Surya Reddit. We can't judge the first run. You got to give it some time to warm up. You know, it's a little colder out. You can't judge it. Oh, yeah. B&M. Is it cold in Florida? Is it cold in Florida? B&M does its first test run. He's like, it's looking sluggish. It's looking lame. It's hardly making through its lay out. It is. That is true. I will say that run there looked a lot faster than the sunset video that run there. Yes, exactly. But I'm also going based on this. Look at that. That barely made it. You're going to get a roll back on that. I think, you know what, at least they're being innovative. It's a launch, so that it has that going for it. I'm trying to read a little bit of the comments right now. Toronto makes sense for a stand-up, yeah. I hope that one run doesn't get one of these. Okay, I do too. I hope that Wonderland doesn't get one of these too. Let me make that clear. I'll gatekeeper over this, I think, from Luxe. I mean, it may be the most intense thing ever because you are standing up, so I don't know. But yeah, I'm not too excited. How likely do you think something like this could come to Wonderland, though? Highly. The stand-up? Yeah, to replace Skyrider. I could 100% see them marketing it, something like that. And I think our GP would just eat that up. Where would they put a Skyrider in their new themed areas that the park has already hinted that they're going to be working on? I mean, I really hope this is in Whitewater Canyon's area because that's a nice plot of land. Joshua, don't even say that. Someone ban Joshua right now. I'm kidding. Don't. Don't. Don't. Oh my god, what if this goes over the front gate? What? It would look so ugly. What in the torture device over the front gate? You have to stand 30 minutes up in the park just to look at a ride where you stand on. Oh my goodness. I can't with these two. I need a navigation. Do you have anything else to say about the surf coaster? You have guys who haven't even talked about what other models this could be used as. You're boring enthusiasts today. Okay. I know when the streams end, they're going to be like pretty much in a circle. Like, oh my god, you think B&M can build this? So, I do agree with Brendan. Now, okay, okay, you really want me to get into it? Yeah. That's the thing. So this launch is 60 miles an hour, which is roughly the same as Thunderbird. I love Thunderbird. I think it does everything right for what it is. It has a wippy launch. You know, it does the inversions tight. It does everything nicely. But I don't know. I just think a problem with these stand-up trains may be aerodynamics, you know, because you are standing up. And what you said earlier, you put a sit-down train on this. Like, I think that would be a lot better. I like, okay, this is going to be really far out there. But you know, like the B&M hypers and the gigas, like, imagine having a B&M launch at like 140 kilometers an hour with that same train and then you go straight into airtime hills and stuff. I think that would hit the nail on the head. That would dethrone fury, in my opinion. So, I do like... Did that just come out of his mouth? I said so. Did I spin? No, it didn't. This could be better than dethrone fury. Something that would dethrone fury. No, no, no, if they did a launch. So, imagine you take fury speed, but instead of a lift-till, you launch the train. I think that would be really good. Fury, same layout. Everything like fury, but instead of that lift-till, you launch it into that big barrel roll and then you do what you do. I am excited, though, because even what's happening at... Mandrel's mayhem? Where's that? That launch shuttle wing coaster? So, that's B&M's second launch, and this is technically now their third launch, right? So, B&M seems to be breaking out of their comfort zone, because the first actual launch that they did was Thunderbird. I know people say Hulk drive tires, but I don't think they actually did the drive tire mechanism. I think that was a different company. So, it's exciting to see B&M starting to step out of their comfort zone and implementing launches. As you can see, this kind of has the airtime hell like Pantheon, like Copperhead. So, they're getting more creative and intuitive with it. So, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility where we start seeing B&M take these up to speeds of 130, maybe 140, like really start stepping it up. You think they would do that? I think in the next five to ten years, yeah. Park would definitely want that. So, now I'm worried that Cedar Fair was going to universal the Chick of Elasa Coaster to get B&M to build them one. But then it's going to be like... I mean... You know what? Cause Grace said it in the podcast with her. She said, we have people at the park who have connections where they could be like, we want this and they'll build it for us. When she said that, she's referring to our general manager at Canada's Wonderland and he has a personal relationship with Bolliger and Mabillard where he literally goes on golf trips with them. So, that's what he meant. That's what she meant. I mean, I could see like, eventually it only makes sense because B&M's fastest launch right now, I believe, is still Thunderbird cause that's like 62 miles an hour. So, Thunderen? That's triggering. That is triggering. I could see B&M wanting to step it up to like 75 miles an hour. So, like 120, 125. And eventually, depending on the success of this, I know Thunderbird was pretty successful for the park it was at and depending on the success of this, I could really see more parks approaching them and saying, you know what, we want to launch. So, can you do this? So, can you do a sit-down style? Same train, same layout, but instead of that lift hill, can you launch it? And you know what? That would take up less space too. So, I could see a lot of parks, even smaller mid-sized parks, maybe Silver Dollar City or something like that would approach them and be like, yeah, give us a 120 kilometer an hour launch, no throwing four, five inversions, give us a sit-down train. I agree, I agree. Alright, moving on to our next segment where Kaden exposes who he's talking to on his phone. What? There's three answers. What? You have to show us your phone. What was the girl you last texted? This is a segment. Yeah, he is. I'm kidding, Kaden. No, I'm not. Saria's not. No, don't expose that. Okay, let's talk about it. So, there's an update that I'm going to post tomorrow. I flew my drone. I thought we would talk about Tundra Twister and Snoopy's Racing Railway a little more in-depth. Maybe answer some of the questions that we think are good that pop up in the right. But the green is track that's now installed as of yesterday. I flew, so today as well, but they didn't work today. So, green is track and yellow supports. So, they're moving pretty, pretty quick. It's coming along. And then we have up here Tundra Twister's supports. These were spotted literally leaving the warehouse over a month ago now. So, I find it interesting that we haven't seen these on-site. So, they're either on-site in Wonderland's big maintenance building or they're in a shipping container on the... Yeah, in the canal coming here. Maybe the boat tipped over. Were you on it? I said, Kate in. Okay, okay. So, from what we see here, the green is what's already installed. What does that tell you? How long do you think in total? So, that took them what? Three days? Three days. But keep in mind that three days was also probably set up to setting up the crane and everything. Yes, and there was a lot of wind. I was shocked one day that they were working. They only got one track piece installed. I think that's because of the wind. And also from this, I want to ask you, so the theming that we're going to get, is it going to be at this detail of what we see here? I don't think so. We would have seen footings. So, for example, even the cylinder tower, we would have seen a footing for that, right? Right. I do see footing evidence for a launch shed in the second launch. I'm not even sure about the shed that comes out covering the launch, but there has to be because you need to somewhat cover the drive-tire launch. So, there has to be a shed. So, it just may not be that noticeable. I've seen evidence of it, but they're really tiny and it's really close to the track. But I guess this is pretty close to the track, too. I don't know. It looks closer to the track from what I saw. But who knows? They even got this little, like the station is the same. The station layout, like the formation, it's the same as this. And the queuing? The queuing, I do not know. I guess it would be the same because it can come out down under all these. That would be kind of cool. That would be able to interact with people on the train and stuff. Yeah, from what I understand, the entrance to the ride is going to come down around Lucy's tugboat and come down into almost the middle of the midway in between Jimmy Neutron. What is that right actually called now? The Whirly Bird one? The Whirly Birds and Lucy's tugboat somewhere down in between there. I could be wrong about that. That's literally just me guessing based off of stakes that we saw during Winterfest. But yeah, it is weird, in my opinion, that Wonderland went with building a family launch coaster and then calling it a kid coaster. How do you feel about that? Well, you can't talk about this. First of all, I wouldn't classify this exactly as a family coaster. I think it's a junior family coaster. When I think family coaster. Anyways, that doesn't matter. But I think actually this was a really great idea for Wonderland. I'm going to say this is the most major attraction in the kids' park now. It's bigger than a coaster coaster. It's bigger than Silver Streak. This was a really big step up. If you guys have ever been to the kids' park, you've seen strollers everywhere. Rides get a fairly long line. Some rides, maybe Toxy Jam, is probably 45 minutes coaster-coaster, pushes an hour. This is definitely going to be a big success. This really separates our kids' area from other Cedar Fair parks or any other parks' kids' area really. I think that was their goal when building this. They wanted to really elevate the coaster. I think you just said it's step up coaster for kids. I think that's a great point. This is a good transition from I actually think this goes faster than Thunder Run in my opinion. The banking is more steep. To me, this looks better than Thunder Run. That final helix is really banged. That looks pretty steep. I'm thinking that I might not even be able to go on it at all. I'm nervous that the height and below might be that was concerning to me. Just also to point it out, the park did confirm that you will need a kid to ride this. Which makes sense. Only one train. I'm sure the line is already going to be long enough than a bunch of grown enthusiasts trying to get a credit. I don't know why you had to spoil that on this podcast because that was the reason we're his friend. Oh! Oh! I thought you were being serious! I thought! I got so! Oh my god! I'm going to need a kid if I want to go on it. What is happening in Discord? You look like Willy Wonka. Thank you. They're posting pictures of him in Discord. But yeah, I think this was a great addition and I can't wait for 2025. Yes, that is definitely that will definitely be good. What are your thoughts on Tundra Twister's progress? Okay. Oh my goodness. So I filmed the Pada Land today and it looks like they're getting ready to pour the foundation. But it's like where is the ride and how come it's taking so long for them to pour the cement or concrete? It almost seems like they dig a hole a day and fill it in the next day and then it dries for a week. That's how slow they're going. Maybe they're not in a rush. This ride will go up by the way in a day or two. Maybe two days depending on weather. Several things though I do want to say with this kind of design is because it's kind of going up like a pyramid, right? Four points of four members to let the to disperse the load but you also need that boom arm, right? You need that boom arm installed and then you'll need the gondola installed to help it all secure itself so maybe they're waiting on more components of the ride vehicle. Yeah, because it's one of those rides where they're going to need two or three cranes, right? To hold it all together until it's fixed together. It's like Lego guys. But Wonderland's really good at building flat rides. They go up in a day or two. It's crazy. And the thing is they could be delaying pouring the concrete pad until everything's ready to go because they really only need 48 hours before it becomes hard enough for they can actually work on and the concrete pad won't have any load. It's an engineering term. I don't know what technical term, Brendan. It's a technical term. Don't mind me. Yeah, I don't know like I mean this is going to lead on oh no, we're going to that dark topic after here. I should have put the Wonderland to your expansion after this. But that's okay. I could switch it up a bit. There was something actually I wanted to say and kind of ask you it's interesting that this does not touch anywhere where Dinosaurs Alive used to be, right? Yeah, no it does. Oh it does? Well the main entrance to Dinosaurs Alive, it just takes up all that and then the first turn. But there's a weird staging area that shows signs of I don't know if it's for this ride we're actually using another staging area for this ride but they've been building a weird flat area just off to the right of this ride. I've been keeping my eye on it because it's a little weird there is construction materials for this ride in that area though so I'm thinking it's nothing but they literally bulldozed this whole section and I've noticed they haven't been using it to store track or anything. It's just weird. Obviously they're going to use that land in the future for expansions and it's going to be a slightly more boring even though I don't think it's going to be fully boring I think Wonderland's going to get a pretty good investment again in 2024. Well even as we talked about in previous streams, right like the years that we don't really get anything or that we don't see, we don't really get rides there's still stuff going on at the park there's infrastructure upgrades, you know there's all different types of upgrades that are happening and that costs a lot of money so there are still things going on in the scenes. So let's talk about it. What are they doing right now? I think that's the reason Wondergun has ever had. Like you have Leviathan you have Leviathan welding going on on the main support structure for the left hill and there was a video I needed to show you that you would have lost your mind at it because it's like they're doing welding, welding, like they had like this big plate and for some reason it was so picture the support and they had the plate coming out like that, could you explain that? Like why would they do that? Picture this. They had the sheet of metal coming out sideways and welding it. Did they weld it perpendicular? So they would probably just cut around it then so if the crack was there they would weld a plate there and then just cut all the access off and grind it down. Yeah, I meant to show you that video but it's really interesting because okay so I was trying to they have that plumbing, they have behemoth chain there's more and I'm forgetting it Are there some infrastructure that they were doing by the mountain? Oh yes, the putting a a generator as a secondary option if the power goes out for the mountain or if they need to cut the power for certain things so it's a lot and the generator's massive too. And they will be working on the water park? Yes, and the water park and the plumbing house and all that and then you have mine buster nothing for wild beasts and we are definitely getting way too late to do anything to wild beasts so I keep pay attention to that. But the point is like all of that adds up like it might seem like little projects but if you add all that together I wouldn't be surprised you know with the labor and the specialty equipment and the specialty parts you could be pushing you know 3, 4, 5 million dollars easily and that's cost that does come out of that type of budget right? Like it would come out of I'm sure they have like specific maintenance budgets but even when unexpected things happen that cost has to come from somewhere right? Yeah oh and then sorry clockworks is getting a complete refurbishment like a complete refurbishment Swings of the Century is getting refurbished like it's all like wonderland so literally there's a lot going on Oh my God and they could have just not painting clockworks and they could have painted and they're like You know in Fantasia when the dinosaurs are all dying because they're walking through the desert? That's behemoth At least it's getting a nice new chain Thank you I needed it The one time we got stuck up there and the whole tower is wobbly I don't know if that was because we were uneven weight and being the skinnier one Oh yeah at the time I don't think so That train got extra attention let me tell you I'll have you know Yeah what will you have to know? Okay guys This is a little bit of a dark topic next Are you ready? I didn't want to talk about it I remember we had a conversation I said I wanted to stay out of this topic for specific reasons The mom's looking at me right now like are you guys about to get cancelled? No okay so everyone knows my opinions on marine land Everyone knows what I've said about the marine life I know people who have specifically looked after this animal and the belugas and I know that marine land had a really bad past with looking after animals I remember visiting marine land my first vlog at marine land Kiska was in bad shape and I think this was just after the death or just before the death animals were not being taken care of well at all under the guys leadership the husbands leadership they weren't so there is some truth to what the animal activists say about marine lands past but when Marie took over the wife she did make a lot of changes to marine land the people that work with the animals literally said that even if marine land told them that they had to take bad care of the animals they would refuse and that marine land was trying everything they had all these toys enrichment toys they were getting fed a lot she is an old whale she definitely didn't live a good life at marine land and whales should not be in captivity so please let me make that clear I am not defending marine land I'm not defending whales in captivity I unfortunately Kiska is probably in a better place right now and this now makes it so there are no whales in captivity in Canada which is well that's not true no killer whales there are still belugas but marine land is working to get rid of their belugas by the way from what I understand I feel like I should say from what I've heard speculation I was not calling Marie an old whale oh my god did I make it sound like that I mean she is old so the park is up for sale I was under the impression it was sold but it most certainly looks like it wasn't so the people either backed out or they're looking for a tax break for these people but I understand that the park is actually trying to get rid of all their animals that was the rumblings I'd heard through the grapevine from trusted sources that they would be phasing out the animals especially the new owners and so forth what am I trying to say is I think that it's obviously really sad that Kiska passed away again I think it's for the better for Kiska and no animal should be in captivity but I will say that people were focusing a little too much on Kiska and not focusing on the right animals so when it comes to marine land there's one animal group at this park that I think is absolutely disgusting and I would not defend marine land at all over is the bears the bear exhibit is and as a bear myself a nimble deer like an ogre at haunt the one at the bridge that's you the bear exhibit should be the focus of like marine land needs to get rid of those bears and send them off to better places and close that exhibit it's disgusting it's absolutely disgusting reason that the bears should be swimming in their own filthy water and the fish carcasses all over the water and it reeks and there's seagulls everywhere just get rid of it outside of that again I kept saying this to Surya if I put Surya in a playpen even though he's living a good life he's getting fed well, anything a drone from above with sad music of watching Surya walk around the playpen it's gonna make him look like he's being abused I could film anything in a pen like I could go to the Toronto Zoo with my drone and put sad music over a drone shot over the animals and people are gonna be like animal abuse but at the end of the day I get it, a whale should not be kept in a small exhibit but she was too old to transport she was way too old to transport she would have most likely died in transport or stressed out in transport it was better for her to stay at marine land unfortunately she was getting taken care of pretty well I can stand behind that but focus on the bears now guys marine land needs to get rid of the bears your guys' thoughts I just spoke so much oh god you know what you're gonna dig yourself a grave now too it's terrible no so yeah, Kiska was in captivity for 40 years just to think about 40 years that's a long time when Kiska was put in captivity back then there were different views different laws, different things and it's very unfortunate because unfortunately it was captured and put in captivity for the pure exploitation of making money and that was the old thinking but I only went to marine land once in like 15 years and that was last year when I went but Kiska genuinely looked happy I don't know what Kiska was like 5 years ago or whatever but when I personally went, the one visit I went she looked happy, she was like flippering around she had lots of care well I don't know what they do they have lots of care she had amazing very highly educated handlers and they wanted you to ask questions they were so open about what they did which is something I feel like maybe marine land should do a better job of advertising and something that people need to understand is they actually aren't hiding anything like if you go to the park, you don't feel like they're hiding anything now there is the bears which I am not touching on, we all know that's appalling but strictly speaking with the Orca they were very well educated and they were willing to answer any question you had for them and they said that they had amazing medical staff always on standby and she had a full support team with her on standby, she had enrichment and I think and I know what happened in the past was extremely tragic but the last few years I really do think Kiska was receiving the best possible care any animal, any or in the world in captivity could have received and unfortunately a lot of people were saying just transport her but because of certain regulations and just her age and the logistics of transporting an animal that weighs 3-4 thousand pounds that's very difficult and then where do you bring her are you going to put her on a truck filled with water for a 15 plus hour drive no that's most likely going to cause the animal to go into shock and kill them, in fact I think that has it has that did happen unfortunately then they freed Free Willy and he died and he died because he didn't know what to do right because they've been in captivity for so long and I know it's such an unfortunate situation but because they've been in captivity for so long they cannot survive on their own anymore they become dependent on their feeding schedule on their handlers on their enrichment on stuff like that so towards the end of her life I think the best thing they could have done is what they did and that's just try and make her as comfortable as possible yeah just like touching on why you guys said yeah there was nothing they could do for transportation wise and even if the transportation did go successfully in a sanctuary or something technically in a sanctuary she would still be set out in deeper waters to hunt which I don't really think or she wouldn't really be able to do and being in captivity since 3 years old swimming in the same circle there was a story about I think it was SeaWorld's Orca or someone else's Orca they sent her to a sanctuary and she just swam in the same circle and ended up dying so even transportation to a sanctuary wouldn't do well for the Orca that's essentially what I heard when I talked to someone is if they transported Kiska there was two options she was going to be stressed and then it would have caused trauma and it would have taken her a really long time or she would have died there was no way that you can transport Kiska at that age and she'd be like I'm on to a better place even though it is a better place the pens that they send them to are better the pens that they're being stored in again I am not sitting here defending it people are a little too hard on Marie I know that she was the wife of the previous owner and she probably could have spoken up but you don't know the circumstances of that marriage you do not know the circumstances of that marriage she could have and knowing him the stories I heard about him how he went into that trailer park that they owned and kicked that woman out and she then did something horrible to herself in a position where she had no say in running this park and the minute she took over this park she strived to do better and it showed I saw Kiska from my first visit to my most recent visit there was an improvement in her skin instead of just floating there if you remember Kiska there would be videos where she would just float there she was swimming and they had enrichment training they had people in there literally teaching her to be vocal do you know that Kiska was taught how to tell them when she's sick that's why you saw her in the what do you call those pens? the medical bay for the last two weeks she signals when she's not doing well so she's trained really well and she's taking care really well now Marie Lenz most certainly not perfect and they need to move quicker in fixing these issues is it possible to it's possible to euthanize anything but I don't think they would ever do that without being needed I have a feeling that she probably was depending on her condition well I yeah depending I have a feeling so from what I know from the situation this is just speculation I don't know this for sure but I heard that the government of Ontario was there for a week before she passed through the whole process and they had outside vets there as well so she was being looked after outside of marine land as well yeah but what do you hope for marine lens future because now I feel like this is a step unfortunately a step in the right direction this is definitely a turning point in marine lands history and actually I think marine land is going to change this for a couple years now and they were making Kiska comfortable but I really hope you know and I know there's still a lot of work to do like they have other marine animals and they have the bears specifically you know they have the deer but I really hope and I honestly do think that marine land is going to start you know phasing this out and being more humane and more open and I think that their smartest course of action is the aspect of the property right so focus on rides maybe focus on shows that don't involve animals like some form of entertainment things like that get some more restaurants around the park instead of that main one at the front like from what I remember there is only one main restaurant with like three people focus on getting more major food areas around the park like entertainment obviously filling with some rides and everything but with the animals slowly getting out of the getting out of the picture unfortunately the belugas with their age might have to suffer the same fate as Kiska oh my god they are cared for but with their age I mean with their age like Kiska I'm burning up just to point out though with the belugas it is the same situation where it is extremely difficult to transport an animal of that size and that's been in captivity for that long so it's not marine land saying we're keeping these to make a profit it's more like what's in the animals best interest well I don't want to defend them that much they're a business and no business in this world is looking out for anyone's best interest beluga is not the dolphin the dolphin when we went there I saw the dolphin showing that needs to be shut down I think it's just the right that they get rid of all the animals I just want my message to be clear the animals need to go but people are overreacting with this stupid drone that keeps just flying over these tanks again I'm going to do it I said I wanted to film a funny segment we need to do it so you're just walking in circles are you walking in circles around wonderland probably the same sad music for a dollar a day you can feed him because he ain't getting fed well where did that come from but yeah they definitely need to focus on the rides they need a world class attraction at that park that wonderland does not have and that you can see anywhere because Niagara Falls is such a let down you know what's funny we were talking to someone at work and they said it themselves and Niagara Falls is so embarrassing when you look at it it's literally an arcade an outdoor arcade with a ferris wheel and the cheesiest attractions you can buy when they really could go all out and make it a really classy place I think the best thing there to do from someone who's 19 or above is the casino no I think wonderland now has an opportunity to prove to the world that they're not they don't want to profit off animals anymore and they should use this by focusing on rides and focusing on an amusement park aspect they should also probably install an elevator up to Sky Screamer because that walk really sucks you're so lazy oh my god it is a really bad log so she had 40 degrees celsius oh my goodness I look so cute in that photo that was me judging you when you said they need more restaurants you would think that the land marine land has the amount of land that marine land has to work with like they could use that to their advantage of expanding a lot after the animals or anything obviously they have a lot of walking with nothing there but after expanding they have so much land to work with if I was using my business brains and I bought marine land let's say I had money like that to buy marine land what I would do is sell half the land to fund the improvements that the park would need cause you could sell that land and fund the investments for that park and then some so that's what I would do I would buy topsoil dragster clone I would no cause there's one I would build an intimate launch coaster a red forest clone a good GCI I would build these attractions that embarrassed wonderland and then I'd build a good dark ride you hear that wonderland? a good dark ride I have the phone number for tri-attack put them on the phone put them on the phone they sent media invitations by them they send me media emails and I'm like have you not watched my videos I hate your products so yeah what would you guys do if you bought marine land? you first orca so I would definitely try and address the animal issue that being said though I would definitely focus on the amusement park aspect yeah I would really try depending on how much money I had if it was like a limited roller coaster tycoon thing I would make it like a wonderland cedar point just focus on the thrill rides actually you know what I would honestly do and this is taking a book like a leaf out of your book I would also try and build like a resort like a lodge or something like really make that a destination place because they do have the space and that's something wonderland doesn't so they already have a one up on wonderland that wonderland could never have cause they have all that land attached to an extreme thrill park maybe do nice walking trails or something like that can you imagine a city walk a proper city walk in Niagara Falls on marine lands property and then the theme park can you imagine having good restaurants and like even like something that's like cool to the area so for example in Niagara Falls gets a lot of I hope I'm not getting the terminology wrong but Middle Eastern and like they get a lot of like that culture in Niagara Falls when you go it's a very prevalent so I think I said the same thing for wonderland that they should build off that build like restaurants that cater to that culture and atmosphere if I bought that I would 100% do that and then others as well but I would love to see city walk in that too so if I had that for Saria's sake there would be more restaurants and everything around the park and if you got it with the goddamn restaurants put a membrane in there there were three people in that giant wood shack and you want more for Saria's sake again I would I would expand on more of the amusement park side like RMC Intamin and then I would also finish Dragon Mountain's theming at Niagara Falls there at the back where it was supposed to be finish off that one volcano spot where we were told it was supposed to be in the middle of it something like that so finish off Dragon Mountain's theming and just mainly focus on that amusement park industry with bigger rides and especially in that area looking down at the valley maybe just some areas around there some good high rises and stuff to look over did did this enthusiast just say he wants high rises built on marine lens property did I hear that wrong? oh ok ok ok I was triggered for a second I'll give you guys his address one second the mom's looking at me something like win seeker that'd be really nice Kimberly mentioned she would love to see a water park at marine land we might be having some breaking news coming in the next week about a water park project coming to the GTA somewhere and it's not the thermo group thing but yes my sources are rumbling about a potential water park project um maybe by pro slides so I should know more in about a week guys it's not wonderland related either um there's one last good topic are we done talking about marine land? yeah sorry in true Canadian fashion we should probably just bulldoze the land and build the shopping district no one can afford um but yeah let's talk about the goods look at that B&M wind coaster it's a lift hill one you don't like it better than pipeline I would prefer this over pipeline that's okay Brendan what are we looking at here okay so I've been doing some thinking and I'm gonna spill the things that I said I didn't want to spill remember when I said I didn't want to reveal where the distance markers were what park is this this is wonderland oh my god that's whitewater canyons sorry I'm sorry between him who doesn't know which park we we're covering and him who wants restaurants at marine land which gets 5 guests a day I don't know who I'm with right now oh yeah cause that's action theater okay so I'm gonna explain this guys there's colors on the screen you're probably looking at me like crazy I didn't want to reveal my information because there are people that copy my information and there are people that then make videos with my information as if it's their information and I'm learning to be more okay with that um this was really this was important information about 2025 that I didn't want to discuss um but syria knows it even I think you've known it cause we filmed a lot of it this year but in yellow you'll see where distance markers were or markings um were um and then in red you see total possible expansion area and in blue I've actually that's a second option for a possible water park expansion if wonderland ever needed it so what I was trying to say there is maybe that land isn't necessarily available for expansion I've heard people say that is protected land and that wonderland can't develop it but when you go on to Vaughn planet that land is actually available and under amusement um development so according to that wonderland is very much able to develop that land um so this is interesting because if you look at the yellow distance markers and we now know that distance markers mean something very important if for those of you that don't know uh I was pretty accurate in predicting where the stuff was coming in 2023 um and it's because of distance markings that we were able to we were like yeah there's something coming here why else would you pay a company to come in and measure the distance so when you see a distance marking you have to picture someone standing there almost with like a camera sensor right and they're from a specific location i.e. a ride because you don't need to measure the distance of a building a standalone building to see like so clearances yes clearances exactly thank you the engineer here so when you see distance markers there's a very specific reason and we now have distance markings this season that popped up in those yellow circles there is one of two options that these distance markings could be for it could be for a similar expansion that we saw at carowins the aeronautical so we could see multiple flat rides and in fact if you look at it they kind of look like areas that flat rides could go in the other option is they're getting ready for the big coaster again I can confirm that wonderland is going to get a new coaster in 2025 surya can too it's very obvious they're getting a coaster in 2025 I can put that in as concrete as possible there's a good chance it could be wrong but you know what there's a good chance that we are right we're right a very good chance and I think that these markings and there's more markings too by the way that I didn't circle oh you guys can't see my mouse I'm moving my mouse as if you guys can see but there's markings over by action theater there's markings in and a little bit around not so much that would cause like us to be like oh they're starting already but in whitewater can like an orange marking here there were distance markings two seasons ago on the hand rails in whitewater canyons um queue line so again now that back then in 2021 I didn't know what distance markings were so I was like okay cool there could be something coming here I filmed it if you those remember the little orange marking and then the marking like for scanning so again they're checking for clearance so I mean there's pretty good evidence that something big's coming well we know something big's coming in 2025 um and I think that it's pretty evident that this is the area that wonderland's going to finish up over the next couple years so Frontier Canada is an unfinished product and I think 2025 will end Frontier Canada it's yeah and you know it is also worth pointing out too that distance markers usually pop up what 24 to 18 months before an actual project starts breaking ground right yeah and that puts it in line with 2025 or you know for opening for 2025 so that means like things would start in when would you say like July 2024 yeah so the likelihood of this being for a flat ride isn't that likely and another thing is too unless they do go the aeronautica route which I personally don't think they will have a lot of flat rides um why would you need so many so spaced out because I believe there's even some more south on that path there is there is there is yeah so you wouldn't need that much spacing for like even one two even three flat rides like you wouldn't need that much and um you know a lot of buildings too are also have the distance markers right yes so and there there's been a little bit of weird land clearing here it's been really weird and they like dumping dirt almost as if they're getting ready to level oh yes the blue I keep thinking you guys can see my mouse the blue area there's been a little bit of signs so if it's this big area there's only really one ride that would take up this much land I still could see a multi-launch coaster taking up that much land really multi-launch they would want to keep close to home because like it doesn't need to go out and back well it depends on how long the launch is like if they launch it at 130 you're still going to need like he really wants a girl we're talking about mock here well here's the thing though right like and I could very well be a wing coaster but what would you theme it to so you probably theme it to a bird or something and we already have a bird in that area you could theme it to logs I think flying logs I'm pretty confident that whatever we're getting is getting themed to either wolves or logs it's one of the two log run it makes more sense for it to be themed to a logging camp to fit with whitewater canyon whitewater canyon ain't going anywhere even though there are trends that parks are removing these because they're dangerous they are dangerous and we've seen it even this last teen standing up that is dangerous because of stupidity but you have to view the guest as a stupid guest I love the money but I think if it's this whole land we're looking at it being a I'm still on the fence about that I'm still I'm genuinely on the fence I can still see a multi-launch coming I could see a bigger multi-launch like maybe they saw copperhead and they're like okay can we beef this up a little bit and then they looked at you oh yeah but yeah I this is really interesting can I just can I get a promise to you guys if you see anyone else talking about this information just this was us okay no one else knows these things no one else filmed these distance markers no one else filmed these markings and area this information is us we're the only ones that know for sure that we're getting a coaster in 2025 as well so just I just I know that people are gonna copy exactly what's being discussed in this video and I just want it to be almost like copyrighted right now until the season starts and then people can go and film these areas and then it's everyone's information but like I'm really keep us in your mind keep us in your mind because I'm protective of my information because this was a good find and I like I noticed these things right away um but yeah I'm really excited for 2025 I am too and it's also worth noting too didn't we actually find some markers more north up near Silver Streak yes so it is like a big project yeah that could be infrastructure um for this but we all the action theater is just like it's sitting there like I was a planned attraction what happened now I'm full of raccoons um it's gonna be called the Toronto experience for clothes um but yes pay attention to Grace's podcast by the way that was she was on she did reveal a lot more information than I think people realized at first like we're like okay now we know that this isn't coming and this is more of a chance and that's definitely not a chance so we're not getting a wooden coaster for sure at Wonderland like we're not getting a wooden coaster um and Joshua brings up a good point what Cedar Fair is due to take back the wing coaster record and what better park with more like this lands insane for a wing coaster I don't want one guys I'm not saying that I want the the mock extreme spinner themed to a log camp but I'm really nervous that they're looking at the capacity and this park is a nightmare for capacity and I'm telling you right now I've already heard rumblings of the training going on at Wonderland and it's all about capacity this year it's all about how many guests they can get in it's not from him he hasn't even started by the way I'll tell you right now none of my information comes from ride ops or anything they don't know anything they don't they're the like they know like on announcement day about things um but I know a wing would be a better business decision so my other problem with a wing coaster is it would run too similarly to you Constryker yes I agree with that I agree with that I feel like guests would kind of be like huh well I rode this now I don't really need to ride that to go ride the bike and I don't want to upset you guys because they're like we don't know what kind of coaster it's going to be we know the price tag and the BNM coaster fits into that price tag and a mock extreme spinner fits into that price tag a wooden coaster doesn't fit into that price tag an intimate fits into that price tag so we're able to like kind of limit things down but we don't know that we don't know the model at all we don't like it could be a big family coaster it could be well what else were you saying we were discussing too it's interesting to see what other parks like our sister parks might get like maybe carowins what they get yeah what Kings Islands future maybe what Kings Dominion's future maybe right because like yeah I what scares me about this plot of land though for a wing coaster I just have to say this because Key Switch has said like they'd go for a launch wing coaster this plot of land guys is sitting right next to the highway free marketing so what do you think they'd want to build along one of Canada's most major highways a tall lift hill with really cool elements that's free marketing that's the free marketing on an attraction you were going to build already I can't see Wonderland going down the launch wing coaster route I like they have a record they need to take back from another park so what would you like to see personal preference I know what I like to see but realistically thinking Wonderland the mock extreme spinner does seem like a cool ride and I would love to see one of those it does look like a lot of fun but I personally don't see us getting one before the wing coaster shut up he's not allowed speaking anymore I'm not getting how to do it like this no I would like to see the mock double launch coaster it seems like a like a lot of fun even something like Copperhead I would like to see that something launch that's not backline I would love an intimate multi launch or a B&M invert guys an invert is not going to happen we would have already seen signs I think an invert is possible in the next 10 years yes yes but we have to you would have to see a ride get removed I am I the problem we don't make the ride open guys 20 times until his legs fall off I hope we don't even know we go there we drive 10 hours I hope we drive 10 hours all the rides are shut down we're going to Carolin's Lane as long as you don't charge us for the hotel that we've already paid for never mind guys we don't have a Karen review yet Seria was next week we'll make it up I'll make it up I've been a little like this was thrown together today because I've had a really rough week I don't know how to explain that to you guys without getting too in-depth I've had a really rough week so yeah this was thrown together today um give us a second give us a second we're missing something yes I see you guys talking about it do you have something to show us Seria yes I do yes I do now I'm sorry I'm sorry oh my goodness don't touch me so I can't remember because when we were driving to Cedar Point Brendan brought this up but we're also very tired I can't honestly remember if I've shown you this but I've kind of disassembled it so now you can really get a more accurate picture and I did a little more research about what it is so I can explain it to you guys better and hold that okay so this you haven't shown this before this you have not shown this before he has but just not disassembled oh really I can't remember if I've shown this this is yeah you have you I don't remember this guys did we show it so no okay key switches brings it up this is actually it's not even a bolt it's so heavy my teeth out please this is not a bolt even though it looks like a bolt this is actually called a locking pin so what this is is a locking pin for top thrill dragsters catch car so when the catch car of dragster comes in under the train what's called a chain dog or a pall drops down into the mechanism right that walks it into the catch car then it accelerates but that pall is attached to the train via a sled a big steel slide and the thing that keeps the sled onto the train is this is this locking pin so can I grab it I don't know we're not hitting you so it basically just slides in and then there's two locking nuts on either end right so it took me forever to take the nut off no okay no let's be realistic here um this is a self locking nut because you can see it kind of has the divots the those slices in them so what was that oh that's so sorry this is actually this is titanium um so you would lock it on either end of the slider right you twist you twist you twist and a regular nut yeah you can kind of twist it off but when you get it tight there you go you saw that I didn't apply any pressure Brendan try and unscrew that try came trying on try and unscrew wasn't in my face you can't because it's a lock it's a lock night how do you how did you get it off then wd-40 and a hammer not me looking so stop stop there would be another one on this end too and that's what would lock that um into place while the train rocketed down so in a sense this titanium pin is what takes the full 12,000 pounds of dragster so can you get it out of my face I apologize I really miss him I apologize but yeah so this would take the entire weight of the train and the force of the launch would basically be resting on this titanium thing and it is right it's very big it's very it's very big came do you want to hold the big thing wait till you see what I bring next week might be how heavy is it it weighs about had it partners for your safety remain seated with your hands arms feet and legs inside the train and be sure to watch your kids if any of you folks are wearing hats or glasses best remove them because this whoof oh yeah I'm really red right yeah he is really whoof okay um yeah weighs about how much did it crash no it didn't crash so I won this at 2014 there was a trivia question and I was able to have my hand up before anyone else that's what I wanted um no but yeah it's solid titanium weighs about 18 pounds it is incredibly strong and it makes Brendan really giggle can I see that came actually Brendan would you please care to hold on to my um no absolutely not we'll see Brendan what do you think of that what do you think of that reaction right there it's it's it's more this end sorry uh I know you might be a little confused as an engineer you might not know all your products and your instruments but this is that's the business yeah the same yeah no I could teach you a few things about how to handle an object but um I think Amanda might be interested that's Caden's mom sorry sorry this just got derailed we're gonna put this away now okay thank you don't damage my floor again speak to your lawyers about that people are telling us to stop um on that note I think that's it for the podcast this week we're gonna do the hangout stream after that's gonna be fun oh yeah does she know that we do that she's like a Q&A period she doesn't know anything about this we're transitioning guys we're transitioning into the hangout stream well I guess is there anything else any of you want to add on the I really miss um okay bye guys we'll be back in five minutes five minutes no if five minutes guys don't say no no we'll be back in five minutes on the hangout stream