 The All Progressive's Congress remained silent on the issues of zoning after its 11th National Executive Committee meeting. And once again, President Buhari has met with service chiefs over the spate of insecurity in the country. This is Plus Politics and I am Kofi Bartels. The National Publicity Secretary of the All Progressive's Congress, Felix Morker, has said that the party is yet to take a decision on the issue of zoning as well as the mode of primaries it will adopt ahead of the 2023 presidential election. The All Progressive's Congress also says it will begin its sale of presidential governorship and national as well as state assembly forms this Saturday. However, it is a high nomination fees for aspirants that has generated discussions around the country. Now, we're glad to say we are joining us on Plus Politics tonight. The presidential aspirant on the platform of the NNPP, Victor Anilajuk is with us in the studio and joining us via Zoom, the convener of the Progressive Youth Group in the APC, Idris Gibral. Gentlemen, thanks for joining us. Gibral, you're on the inside as far as the APC is concerned and I'm sure you followed Kinley, the National Executive Committee meeting that held yesterday. We hear President Buhari and Vice-President Yamee Oshibaja were there from the onset. The news coming out was a bit different from what the spokesperson of the party has been saying recently. The news we heard was that the party had chosen the indirect primaries mode, indirect primaries rather, and had also zoned its presidential ticket to the southern part of the country. Now we're hearing from the spokesperson that there was no decision taken as far as the mode of primaries, the part to adopt is concerned, also as far as zoning is concerned. What can you tell us about this next meeting? What really happened? Thank you very much. I think the publicity secretary of the party have the official mandates to communicate the position of the party to the public. So whatever the publicity secretary has said so far, maybe there was an in-house discussion that wasn't meant to be in the public preview for now. When is the appropriate time for this discussion to be in the public preview, the publicity secretary is going to come out again and tell us that this is the position of the party official. Again, the case of zoning, I think we've heard from great points and across some other medias that the party is planning to zone its presidential ticket to the south. And in some other issues, I think as the electioneering process unveiled itself, a lot of other teams will become open to us. We are going to have the official communication from the party. We shouldn't forget this party, this party executive just got inaugurated not quite long ago. They are trying to hit the ground warning and understand a lot of things that have been handled by the May Malabuni-led ketica committee. So let's give them the benefit of doubt and allow them to actually understand some of these things and get us on our feet once again. We are approaching election period, so we need to put our heads together with them and push our narrative collectively to the public. Thank you. What are you saying is that despite the spokesman of your party coming out, as Felix Mokka coming out to say no decision was taken on zoning, you are saying that a decision was taken on zoning, but they are not ready to tell the public as it stands and until that comes out we should wait, but that you have heard and you are aware that the party zoning its presidential ticket to the south. Is that what you are saying? The publicity secretary have demanded to communicate to us officially, but of course we know unofficially that after the eight years of the president being in the north, it is just logical that the presidency should be zoned to the south. Okay, but you have had some information to indicate that such a decision was taken? You talked about the great fight. It is all over the news on a lot of media, on a lot of platforms, on new media and also on the print media. It is all over the news. Alright, so basically he is just trying to deny what has already been decided? Not denial, I wouldn't say denial, probably waiting for the appropriate time to communicate the position of the party. Maybe they want to ratify that decision because that decision was taken by the main Malabuni left caretaker committee. So they need to come down and ratify that decision too and then we move forward from there. How about the issue of the mode of primaries to adopt? Is that also something that was decided upon, but it is just a case of the party not being ready to announce it yet? Well, you know the APC constitution was quite clear about the mode of primaries. It leaves the room open for direct, indirect and also consensus. I think from their NEC meeting yesterday, the powers of the NEC have been transferred to the NWC and the NWC is going to decide on the appropriate mode of primaries that will suit all party faithful so that we don't have internal rankers as we move along this electioneering process. Alright, so this news coming out on all platforms, newspapers and electronic media like ours and you have social media, you're saying you can't confirm that because it's almost the same thing that happened to the rumor as far as zoning is concerned. You're right. Some of this news we hear on the media will actually be, yes, there may be authentic news, but they also need the authentication of the party. So until the publicity secretary comes out to tell us this is what has been decided, it still remains speculation. As far as you're concerned, as a member of the All Progressives Congress, what, I mean, I know the party's constitution recognizes both direct and indirect primaries and this was a paramount or was really seen in 2019. Adam Sosimoli was chairman of the party, you know, adopting different primaries in different states or modes of primary in different states. But as far as you're concerned for the 2023 elections, what would be the ideal mode of selecting or electing the party's flag bearers? Would it be indirect or would it be directly by the party members? Okay, considering the situation of things at the moment and how the party has been able to handle some of this internal crisis, I think the most appropriate mode of primaries would be an indirect primary. We can have all delegates across wards, local government and everybody coming down to one location within the country to have a primary election. So I think according to the party's calendar, we still have the delegates election coming up soon and that will determine who and who are going to be delegates at the primary election. So let's keep watching as things unfold. The appropriate mode of primaries is going to be communicated by the right authority in the party. All right. Another thing that came out from that particular meeting was President Mohammad Buhari warning against imposition as the APC decides on its candidates for the 2023 elections. The president warned the leaders of the All Progressive Congress at both the national and state levels against factions and imposing unpopular candidates as the 2023 election approaches. Do you foresee that this call and this directed by the president will be heated bearing in mind the nature of the politics that we see at play in the country today? Well, there might be some dissent here or there but I think majority will heed to this clarion call of the president not to impose candidates. Imposing candidates is a recipe for disaster in the party. So we can afford to impose an unpopular candidate on the people and this should go across all levels from the local government election down to the highest election in the country. We should learn to allow democratic process apart, let the popular candidate emerge through the official process that has been designated by the party. Having to impose candidate will actually be the downfall of a party. We've seen this in several stages where candidates were imposed and at the end of the day the unpopular candidate couldn't win the vote. So having a popular candidate will be a guarantee for success at whatever level that they are contesting. Jibril, this is quite clear. You've said it already. It's best to have a popular candidate. But I'm sure we will also do ourselves justice by recognizing the dynamics at play in the different states across the Federation. The president said the same thing you were saying. He talked about the cost to the APC in previous elections. This attitude of imposing candidates or imposition of candidates by so-called godfathers. But is this easy because you have some dynamics at play across the country, different situations and different scenarios, different historical factors, different zoning formulas and zoning arrangements that may make it imperative for certain popular candidates to be asked to step aside or to be asked to sit it out or to not be supported by the parties in a party. For fairness sake, you're also aware that the APC has several parallel executives across different states following the congresses that held around the country. In some states, you have three excos coming up. How can these challenges be so mounted? Will it be that easy for power brokers in the party to not select or impose? I can give you examples and I'm sure you're well aware of this. Definitely. I think the new party executives have as part of their mandates to reconcile all states that have parallel factions. I think part of those states include acquire bomb like you have rightly mentioned and even reverse states like you have mentioned. And all of these states that have parallel function, they are as a result of imposition of candidates. And I think it is quite appalling that at this point in our political history, some power brokers will feel they are strong and powerful enough to impose candidates. You know, we've gone past the period of 1999. This is 2022. People are more aware politically. People are more knowledgeable and people understand this political process better now. Imposing a candidate would definitely be a recipe for disaster. There are quite a lot of court cases here and there and this is not going to go well for the party. The party lost Zamfara due to imposition. So we don't want to have a repeat of such crisis anywhere in our party. And the new executive of the party have it as part of their top mandate in their top burner to ensure that every state that have factions are reconciled and let's have one unified body across the state up to the federal level. All right. Before I bring in our guest in studio, Victor Nila, Ejibriu, what does it mean? Can you explain this to us? We hear the National Executive Committee of the party transferred powers to the National Working Committee until July 2022. And I'm trying to understand how that works. You know, we're bearing in mind that both bodies have their own respective functions. You know, for instance, we told the party's secretary, Dr. Yolao Meshore, disclosed that, you know, the powers of the National Executive Committee will be handed over delegated to the National Working Committee. The president also told the new members of the National Working Committee, which have been delegated powers of the NEC to work towards keeping the party together. So what's our play here? Can you explain this to us? Okay. I think there's a provision in the INEC law that we actually need to meet up with this electoral timetable. So we're trying to see how we can meet up with this electoral timetable. So we want to have an expanded house. The National Working Committee involves escows across the states, party executive across the states. It's a more expanded house so that decision making are faster and we can arrive at the decision and have our delegate list and our candidate list submitted to INEC at the right time so that we meet up with the INEC guidelines without having any rankers or issues here and there. Where it has to pass from the state down before it gets to the NEC, the National Executive Committee. So the NWC, transferring the powers of the NEC to the NWC is to expedite actions to see that things are done faster and we can meet up with most of these INEC deadlines because we wasted quite a lot of time during the main Malabu Nileketika Committee. Now we need to meet up. We've not even started the cell of forms yet. So all these things are meant to expedite the party's activity to see that we meet up with INEC timetable. Thank you. Alright. Now having looked at what transpired and the issues I've kept Victor and Nila on eyes, because it's not a member of the APC so it might not be informed about the workings of that meeting except Victor is something you've not told us. Let's go straight and I'm sure very well aware of this as we all are of the contention or the contentious issue of the cost of the nomination and expression of interest forms by the all-progressive Congress. Social media was on fire last night. Radio stations and TV stations were on fire yesterday. Let's know where's time. We'll just give you the total. For the House of Assembly election, you have the total sum of 2 million Naira for the form. For the House of Representatives election, you have 10 million Naira, the total sum for the form. For the Senate election, you have the total of 20 million Naira for the form. For the Governorship election, you have a total of 50 million Naira for the form. And then for the Presidential election, you have a total of 100 million Naira for the form. Expression of interest and nomination total, APC. Victor Anilajah, you are a young politician, aspiring president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria on the platform of the NNPP. Can you understand why people are screaming and complaining about this 100 million Naira presidential nomination form or presidential form cost by the APC? Well, okay. Let me first of all say thank you for having me in your show today. For us as the current generation, we see it as a way to disenfranchise the younger visionary candidates. Because I do not think there's a Nigerian today, within the age of 50 below, that we want to put in a 100 million to purchase a nomination form. That is one. Then number two is the party itself, the party executives have just said to Nigerians that we know how much most of our political offices hold, how much they normally we take or steal from government. So they want to take their own first. Is that what the party said? But that's just okay. Look at the price. House of Rep, 10 million, Senate, 20 million. Because they know that the Rep and more and lesser than the Senate, Governor, 50 million, President, 100 million. What are you taking those money for? What party needs its membership? It's so sad that instead of party to be driving membership, they are driving money. So that tells you that their methodology to win the 2023 election is to buy votes. There is no way on earth in advanced countries where party will be running after money, rather than running after membership. Take for example in the US, they will give you an option. You pay half the price and you give them like maybe 12,000 members. And it's so ashamed for us now that we are asking for you to get the nomination form to bring a 100 million Naira. Nomination and expression of interest form. They will go together. 100 million Naira. Sir, if you put 100 million Naira into a party, what are you going to do? We are complaining that there is insecurity. That itself, we increase the tension. That itself will make people want to do the issue of a do or die primaries. I cannot lose my 100 million Naira. So they want to do everything possible to make sure that they win. We thought that APC will be a party that will show us example because they are the ruling party to show us modern way of doing things, to add morale into what they are doing. Let me now say this. Nobody that have worked their time and energy to make money will put in 100 million Naira for nomination form. So what they are saying now through their aspirants is to steal more money from governments and come and give to their party. Because I do not think that as a political office holder, you should cover 100 million to get your nomination form. That is another way of encouraging corruption. Jibril, let's start from because you are a leader of a young progressive. So let's start from there. Victor here in the studio, Victor Nilaju is a presidential aspirant. He is a young Nigerian. You are active member of your progressive congress. You are a leader group. You are also a young Nigerian. The first point Victor has made is that this new cost of the nomination and expression of interest forms by your political party for the various elections is a ploy by the APC, your party to disenfranchise and exclude young people, young Nigerians from the political process. What do you say to that? Let me start by stating this. No political party in our recent history have had an inclusive government like the All Progressive Congress. The sales of form. Let's get this right. Elections are not tea party. They are very cumbersome process and they are very long and tiring process that are time consuming and energy sapping and also money training. Let's be factual about this. The fact about saying it disenfranchises young people. That is absolutely not correct. Does he also know that the party actually made it that the young people under the age of 40 are going to get their nomination form at the 50% discounted rates and all female aspirants are going to get their form free? No political party, not even the new party have done this. So this is an inclusive policy that will push this process. If you want to conduct, let's get this right. There are over 170,000 polling units in the country and the party need to post agent to all of these polling units and this agent, the mobilization of this agent and their logistic cost of fortune. So let these politicians who want to go there to represent the people. If you don't have the power to mobilize phones, you have no business even being in politics in the first place. You can as well go for crowd funding. Let the crowd fund you. As I'm speaking to you at this moment, the group of young people that I convene have been able to raise the 100 million Naira, none of us is in government. We comprise of students, young professionals across the country and we've been able to raise the 100 million Naira for Professor Yemi Oshiba. So this is the passion we have for this. We don't know him. I've never met him personally but I have this passion for the growth of this country, for the development of this country and I feel it is my own civic duty and my path, my quota in nation building to ensure that incredible candidate emerges and I'm playing this part on my own volition without anybody forcing me. I'm bringing out my money and my fellow youth across this progressive youth group are bringing out their money to push for these candidates. So this is how elections are going globally. If you don't have the power to mobilize fund, please go and do something else. It's about collective effort, how we can collectively mobilize fund to push our candidate forward to win an election. Saying the party disenfranchisages the youth is actually out of place because we need to get things in their proper context and saying it is a recipe for people to dip their hands into public coffers is entirely wrong. Elections are community, elections are community events. It is not an individual event. We'll come to that in a bit but let's stay on the issue of the youth. Victor, you've heard from Idris. Idris is making a point which is the truth that the up-progressive Congress did say yesterday that all of its members as parents under the age of 40 need not pay the 100 million if you want to be president. You pay 50%. If you want to go for the governorship, you pay in half, which is 25%. If you want to go for the Senate, you pay in half, which is 10 million. If you're going for House of Representatives, you pay half, which is 5 million. And if you're going for House of Representatives, you pay half, which is 1 million. And they're not taking anybody from women. So women are free. So what he's probably saying is that that is just a way of replacing what they have lost in a way. Okay, so I'm actually not here to debate on this. No, no, no, no. It's a debate, what are you liking about it? Because it's an issue. I'm not saying I'm here to debate on it but for Idris, I know Idris knows better. He's just trying to defend his party, right? Only Idris cannot just be the right person. No, but Idris hasn't taken his wife. He cannot be the only right person. Let's not make this personal, Victor. No, no, I'm not making it personal. If you go everywhere online, majority are saying it is outrageous. But Victor, the fact that majority are saying it's outrageous doesn't make it right. So I wanted to respond to the issues that Idris has raised. Idris has said his party has given a 50% discount for youth for all contestants over 40. And no party is doing that. Sir, in APC, APC don't have, as of today, apart from, okay, maybe, it should be above 40. APC don't have any presidential candidate that is below 40. Asperent. Yes. Above 40 or it should be 40 this year or something. I really don't know about it. But even if you're giving 50%, say that's 50 million. Which is still the highest. Which is still higher than PDP. Which is still higher than even my own party from 30 million asks us to pay 10 million. That's the new Nigerian. Yes, new Nigerian. So they are asking me now to pay 10 million instead of 30. Right, because we had to talk to them and they have basic understanding that every party drive now should be based on membership. It is paying me that Idris can raise 100 million Naira to give to the vice president to run for an election. When we have millions of Nigerian youths that are jobless, that don't even have food to eat. That's why I said I didn't come up here for debate. But if they have that kind of structure, why not get that 100 million Naira and look for Nigerian youths who are jobless and empower them with skill. Just like what my party is doing. My campaign is kicking off with skill empowerment. I can't spend that kind of 100 million Naira giving to vice president. But you're spending 10. Crowdfunding. Crowdfunding sir. And our campaign is kicking off with skill empowerment for the youth and women. What do you have a problem with a young progressive group? I have a big problem. Contributing money to support a candidate they believe in. Sir, we do respect. But you're asking people to support you. We do respect sir. Are we not going after the wrong thing? We have youth who are jobless. You are raising money, you are giving it to a man that have embezzled a lot of money from the same country. You can defy because... Victor, Victor, please. That have embezzled. I've checked my records and I haven't seen that the vice president has been convicted by any court for embezzling. So I think we will not be fair. If you want to say he has embezzled a lot of money or he is well to do because his vice president gets paid well. But embezzled will not be fair. Whatever you say Nigerians know what is going on. Whether we come... Sir, I will be a stupid person. If I come up here and start sounding very naïve. We know the facts. Let's face it. You cannot tell me what you see. If you want us to ask Idris to give us the statement of account how they generated that fund. He might not see it to provide. Let's not go that route sir. Are you sure? We can ask him. If, see, by crowdfunding that we are about to launch, every week we will be giving updates. We can ask him. Idris are you there? I'm trying not to make this... Because it seems Victor... I'm trying not to make this... Excuse your saying that automatically any group that comes out to contribute money for any presidential candidate who is seemingly well to do. It automatically means that it's just a smoke screen. That he must have given them the money to just so that he looks like... Nigerian youth as of today, we know raise a 100 million Naira. I can bet for you. Really? For a politician they believe in. Allow me to finish my statement. I'm going to give the 100 million Naira and give it to the same old incompetent politicians. They will rather support a visionary leader like myself. If Idris had told me that that money was raised to buy nomination form from him as Idris, I would have applauded that. Not to give it to the same person you are raising money for. Is the chairman of the economic council of Nigeria. Is it taking money out of the economy because of that? So what's the role? You said we need to make this more discussionable. Yes, I'm asking. And the same economy that they ask him to manage is going down. And has grown worse. We have to understand Victor. You are still raising the 100 million Naira to give the same person. We have to understand the role of the national economic council in the scheme of things as far as Nigeria is concerned. But that will be another matter for another day. Idris, back to you. Victor raised the point. What Victor is saying is simply that groups like yours that raise money for people like the vice president, probably who has an office, Victor says he has so much money. And that he would like to see your group account show us where the money is coming from. And probably he says it's already everybody knows that such things are just nollywood scripts that are being acted out. Well, sentiment aside, Victor being a presidential aspirant should actually learn to keep his sentiment aside and speak based on facts. And I think it will go a long way for him considering the fact that he seeks to lead this country. Let's put things in their right perspective, please. You see, we understand that everything rise and fall in leadership. I know Victor made a statement that with 100 million you could do a lot of youth empowerment with a single proper policy over millions of people's lives will be affected. And that is why we care about who lead us. We're not talking about throwing any youth just because he's a youth and on the state of power. We're talking about people who have the capacity, who have demonstrated his capacity to lead us at this particular point in time. If I want to, if I feel it is just because we want a youth at the state of power, I would have thrown in my heart in the ring. But that is not the case. Let's have the proper people there. Let's have square pegs there. People who can do better than us and not because we are youth. You understand? And this phone, we're talking about a phone that we're generated from crowd funding because we believe in the capacity of the vice president. Whatever Victor is saying about you want to see the company account and the rest, we can actually show him the source and everything. And none of us, none of us hold any official appointment with the government. None of us. We are students, traders, professionals across different fields coming together to donate this money. Because we believe in the capacity and we've been able to communicate this vision for ourselves. And we've been able to share this vision to see that the vice president is the right person to lead this country. It is. Gentlemen, hold the thought. Victor, yes. Hold the thought. We want to go for a break. We'll come back after that break to continue. We'll take some plus TV Africa. Stay with us. Thanks for joining us right here on plus TV. And of course, plus TV Africa for plus politics. So we're still looking at the recently concluded or recently held all progressives. Congress National Executive Committee meeting. And of course the matters arising of internal decisions taken by the Progressives Congress as far as the 2023 elections are concerned. Issues to do with the zoning formula of the party. The mode of primaries to use or to adopt. And also of course the cost of the expression of interest and nomination forms of that political party. And of course we have joining us tonight. Victor Nylaju who is a presidential aspirant on the platform of the New Nigeria People's Party, the NNPP. And the convener of the Progressive Youth Group of the All Progressives Congress, Idris Gibno. Idris, you just told us the fact that you don't need to give youth the money simply because you're youth. You're saying it's better for your group to install or instill support the right leader for Nigeria so that when that leader gets into power, he or she can promulgate and implement policies that will better a lot of youth long-term rather than 100 million that can be finished in a day. So Victor, what do you say to that? So, you know, like I always say, we are here because of the audience. We are here because of the people. The reason why I'm on this race to become the next president of Nigeria, come to Italy, is to bring help to the people. It would be wrong for me to sit here and be encouraging error. You are raising a 100 millionaire to give to the same person that is the economic chairman of the same country that is going down economically. That doesn't add up. And let me state this so that Nigerians we know, Bwari had good intentions for this country. Fortunately, the people he hired, the people he brought into government to help him, ruined those good intentions, failed him, woefully. So you're saying that the reason Nigeria has gone down is because of the vice president? Yes, he's part of it. More because of the vice president. Majorly he's part of it. President Bwari? I could tell you that, yes. More about the vice president. Even the economy is more about the vice president than President Bwari. You are the chairman. And people come here and tell me excuses that he's not the president. So, if you hire me to do your job and you are not aligned to do your job, what will I do? I will retire. And I've always said this time after time. If people should stop giving fuzzy excuses for the vice president. If you are asked to do your job, you can hire me to do a job. And I want to do it, you are not giving me that liberty. To prove to you that I can do it, I will tender my letter of resignation. And I will leave you alone so that you can face it. You can't be in a sinking boat. And after the boat has sank, you are coming to give excuses because I am not the president. This is what I am going to. I only said that just for him to understand that, see, we are speaking to over 100 million Nigerians. And they are listening to us. So, I'm trying not to make this a debate because Idris is of the same generation like myself. So, that's what I'm just trying to be mindful about. I want to let Idris to understand that Nigerians are watching, especially our fellow young Nigerians. I'm sorry to say. A majority of them will be disappointed at some things that you are saying right now. Forget about politics. Let's get back to it today. So, Idris, I'll give you a chance to respond to this. We'll move on to the next issue. You see, the problem with most people seeking political positions today is they don't really even understand what they seek or the country they seek to lead. I listened carefully to my fellow youth and the presidential aspirant talking about, instead of seeking a good leadership for this country, we should take the money and give to youth as youth empowerment. And I whip. Because given this money to youth doesn't know what a good leader means to this country. Does really understand what a good leader would do for this country. And we are seeking to have that in place. Instead of just using this money to give to youth, we prefer to use this money to have good leadership across board in the party. Do you understand? So, talking about things, let's really get this and keep sentiment out of sight. Let's keep sentiment from this. This is an election period in this country. So, throwing allegation left, right and center isn't going to help us. That's why we see most of this new party coming up do not really make headway because they don't really understand the perspective of things. When they speak, they speak out of sentiment and talk about, look, let's get this right, please. There is nowhere in the world where elections in a democratic process, where elections are conducted and people don't do crowdfunding. So, crowdfunding is part of the way to generate funds for us. And we are adopting this procedure because we believe as root of this country we have more at stake on who leads this country. I don't want to join issue with my fellow brother. Okay, so let's look at the point that Victor raised, which is that I think we tell you said that, you know, no youth in Nigeria who is earning legitimate money will be able to sink even 50 million Naira, or raise 50 million Naira to contest for the presidential ticket. To get nomination forms. And you should know that nomination form is the least when it comes, least expenses you make when it comes to election. Because there you have to make yourself available for inter-party campaign, which will lead to primaries, which you have to spend so much. So you are saying that no young person will be ready to spend all these monies? What I'm saying here is that if you spend 50 million, for example now, to get the form, how much are you going to spend to campaign for making sure that the delegates will be going to vote for you? How much are you going to spend? So you are saying that no young person is going to want to spend 50 million to get a form, the forms? Here that the money here she make to get the primaries, I doubt. Okay, so is this what you find? I mean, you also young Nigerian and this deeply politics, it would be impossible for any young Nigerian politician to raise that 50 million just for the forms, nomination expression of interest forms. You see, I don't think Victor lives in this country and understand how things work here. The fact is that if Victor lives in this country, you see how people lavish money in clubs, in hotels, on social media and there are a lot of donations and give away. People give 50 million like it is 50 Naira today and these are happening all over. It's happening here and there and it's being carried out by youth, not the adults, not the older generation. It's being carried out by youth. So this money, this youth will put this money in the proper place to ensure that we have good leadership in this country. A lot of things will change instead of using this money. So are you saying that young Nigerians can afford this 50 million Naira easily? Definitely young Nigerians can afford 50 million Naira and beyond. Sir, let's get this fast straight. Please, let's get this fast straight. There are a lot of young people today making a lot of money. Getting 50 million Naira, it's not a problem. The issue here is putting that 50 million Naira for a nomination form. That is the problem. And even for me, I'm not going to advise a young Nigerian I'm not talking about somebody, a former governor, a former senator. No, I'm talking about a young Nigerian that have worked very hard to spend his or her 50 million Naira to get a nomination form. And I want us to talk beyond this nomination form thing. At least Nigerians know that this is outrageous, right? Because what we are looking at here, we're not looking at just getting a nomination form. We're looking at a candidate that will be able to deliver to the people security, that we're able to deliver to the people jobs, that we'll be able to deliver to the people housing. But he's saying that 50 million is not much money for a lot of young people in Nigeria. And he made a point, which is interesting. No, it is made a point which is very interesting. But before you make that point. 50 million. Houses in Lekik cost 700 million. Houses in Lekik cost 200 million. 300, 500 million. Young people are buying these houses. Sir, Nigeria as we speak, I can spend my hard-earned money to buy a house because it will appreciate in price. But your nomination form does not appreciate. Let's not go into there. Idris, I'm shocked at Idris right now. Because he faced to understand that there are millions of people cooking at him. Let me tell you. Okay, hold on. He wants to respond. I'll come back to you. Idris, you can start your point again. Elections are not banned, ruled by the candidates alone. Elections are a community effort. All members of the party come together to ensure that they deliver their candidates. So everybody pulls their resources together to run this process. So Victor should stop thinking that the candidate who raised the 100 million will be the one to raise money for every process. There are people that will come in and provide a vehicle for your logistics. There are people that will come in and provide communication resources to you. There are people that will come in and provide one or two things that you need for this campaign period. So Victor should not get it that the single person who raised this money for the nomination form will also be the one to ban grow the electionary process. That is not how it works. It is a community effort. All members of the party put their resources together. What did you say to that? The truth about it is there is two basic issues here that I want us to address. And that's where I'm finding it difficult to respond to. No because he is saying that it is a community effort. Yes. I will get into that. That is after the primaries. That is after the primaries. The primaries need you and your team to work yourself out to get into the primaries. And after that time you can now get the party to support you. But what we are saying here is two things that Edis have said that I'm not in line with. You cannot tell me the young people. You even mentioned students. Or Nigerian students at home. That's why I don't want to discuss this. That meant to say Edis is telling us that the same students who are at home and the ones who contributed money for them to give to the Vice President to buy a nomination form is out of place. Edis, what did you say to that? Do you understand what I'm saying? The students are at home. Edis, if I move on to my next point, can you quickly respond to that? Students at home? Excuse me, Mr. Victor. Thank you, Victor. Thank you so much, Mr. Victor. You see, when we say students donate in this crowd funding, some of them donated as little as 100 Naira to this process. These are people who believe in the candidate we are selling to the third. And if we say students because students are at home, they want to change. They don't want to stay at home anymore. They are looking for somebody who has a solution to not stay at home. You see what you are talking about? It should do the change right now. It should do the change. Even the Vice President is listening to me. The Vice President, Professor Osibajo, you are a professor. You are a lecturer. Please take Nigerian students back to school. So it's all down to... Take them back to school. What you are saying is that the Vice President is solely responsible for their astro-strike. When you ask me that question... Because, I mean, Edris said that you might not really understand the workings of government in Nigeria. Is Edris that don't have an idea? I'm expecting the Vice President to be the one to... The Vice President can call the Minister of Education and call the ASU Executive together for an indoor meeting. When the President has not approved or asked him to do that? When the President has not asked him to do that. The President has used to raise money for it. You see the issue of ASU... Sir, please, let's have one house. Let's have one house, please, please, please. There is a... I'm just going to ask our producers to please display this on this tweet by Adetrin Jardiniro, who calls himself AA. He has come up with another kind of analysis of this 100 million error. He did a simple analysis clearly. The ruling class, he says, don't think in narrow terms. And if you can see from his analysis, this is the cheapest the APC presidential form has ever cost since the party came up in 2014-2015. You can see from his calculations, and you can follow Matt King and Adetrin J, if you want to just read that personally and maybe save it. He's saying that in 2015, if you do the maths, the APC presidential form costs $270,000. In 2019, they cost $226,000. In 2023, it's costing $171,000. About $99,000 less than it costs in the last elections. So maybe it's a case of we not really upgrading our narrow and cobalt sense to know that 100 million narrow today really doesn't amount to as much as it used to amount to. Sir, we are in Nigeria. We are not in U.S. And to even bring up that, you are even showing to the world how Nigerian currency have been devalued, have depreciated, under the same person that you are... God, I've not heard this before. You are raising money for the vice president of the country from the same student that... No, we moved on from the vice president. No, no, no. I mean to be on the 100 million narrow. 100 million. What this guy is saying is that it actually in real terms costs less. That's what he's saying. What you are showing us, sir. Is that it costs less. This is the cheapest it's ever been. No, it's the cheapest because our narrow have been devalued. That's not in doubt. So you are agreeing it's the cheapest? It's not the cheapest. It's not the cheapest. Look at it. In dollars, we are in Nigeria. We are not in the U.S. But all you pay you buy is you buy price in U.S. Sir, you pay in Nara. The crude oil, the petrol you buy is in U.S.D. That is another shame to the vice president. Even your Nara is... That is another shame. That is another shame to the vice president. We moved on from the vice president. We are talking about the cost of the form. We are talking about the cost of the form. We are looking at what Idris said. That Nigerian youth have raised... We moved on from that. I am saying that at the Tunjia Daily Raw on Twitter, it says that the APC presidential form is analysis. Please, can you show down the screen. Costs less in 2023 than it did in 2019 and 2015. More than 100, about $99,000 less. We are Nigerians, sir. Let's talk this figure in Nara. Do you agree that that is the fact? In Nara, it is higher. In Nara, it is higher. Right? Because you have depreciation. Our people, sir. Let us educate our people. Sir, I mean this political space. Politicians will do everything to change the narrative. This is not the narrative. This is the fact. That is not the fact. That is not the fact. Okay, let's allow Idris to come in. That is not the fact. Thank you so much. I think this discussion has been clouded by too many emotions and trying to drag the name and character of the vice president into the gutter. And I think I'm not going to throw that part with Mr... But we've moved on from that now. We've moved on from that. Victor, please. I did the wrong for thinking globally. As much as we actually admit that, yes, the Nara has lost its value, but this analysis is acts. It is correct. It is accurate when you are thinking globally. And come to think of it, no party's nomination form has remained the same from 1990-1990 days. So the party nomination form keeps increasing. And this has been the value of things across. I don't think Mr. Victor here, we want to sell a land he bought. It seems we have a bit of an issue with the connection to Idris. Are you there, Idris Jibril? Okay, we've lost him. Victor, before you go, why do you think, some people are asking that, you know, candidates like yourself, other Nigerian politicians who are young, and even the young people of the country who are screaming about the 100 million Nara, I mean, there are 17 other political parties that are available for people who have a problem with this to go and join. You yourself, you've taken a decision that will mean that you don't have to go take Ibu Profane tomorrow, which is you are in NNPP that says instead of 30 million, so why do you want to give yourself additional headache? This is how they want to do their things in APC. So you have chosen your path. Shouldn't other people also look for where they can go and have peace of mind and allow them to do the things they're waiting. It is their party. It's the pressure that they put into the political system. I mean NNPP right now, New Nigeria's People's Party. It's like being an arsenal fan and then you are worried about Manchester United. See, I am worried because it doesn't show that the people leading us as of today are sincere to the problem that we are facing as a people. And we are still worried that because we have young people in APC like myself that would love to run for the office of the press. All right, we have to go. Victor Nylaju is the presidential aspirant of the New Nigeria People's Party, the NNPP. And of course we've also been joined today by the convener of the Progressive Youth Group of Manchester's Congress, Idris Gibral. Victor Nylaju, thank you very much gentlemen. Thank you so much. Thank you. Idris, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Victor. I hope to see you someday. Yes, we hope to help you guys again. And that's the much you're going to take on the program that's the size of our show. My name is Kofi Bartels. Thank you for watching. See you tomorrow.