 It is that time when we turn our attention to the biggest game of the day and for the last two months and also of the year considering it is the Rugby World Cup here and New Zealand versus South Africa. What a game it is going to be from 9pm in Stade de France to see who is going to be the fourth winner of this edition of the World Cup. Let's say kick off the matters Mualimu. Welcome to the touchline. Your highlight of the week. Yes, thank you. Well, about the World Cup, there are one that Springboks are playing good rugby and also New Zealand are also playing good rugby. These are all teams that have played for more than 100 times. They are meeting against the finals and also the sixth nation champion fading to make it to the finals and also the host fading to make it to the finals. Yes, I think that's one of the key areas that for this particular World Cup it didn't go well because many expected at least that one of this particular sixth nation would make it to the finals because I kept investing billions of shelling in that particular tournament but unfortunately the South enemies were still dominating the World Rugby. Well, a big one there. Bari for you the question will be in 1995 how old are you? I was very young but it tells you the history of the game and especially the two main teams that have built the game that is like Mualimu is saying from the southern hemisphere, South Africa and New Zealand teams of great character but also great rivals so when it comes to tonight it's a one chance, I expect a very very good game. If you were to paint for us a picture of the 1995 World Cup final between New Zealand and South Africa because from what we read in history from 1995 it was also the biggest game in the world back then and also in that final it was also South Africa coming of age from apartheid and everything and them winning the World Cup was a big one for them. The historical meaning of this picture how can you paint it for the fans? Actually when you look at the tournament started in 1987, 1997 New Zealand won, 1991 Australia won then 1995 after independence after having from the apartheid I think South Africa now are admitted but initially they were playing but you see now they are not allowed to play for international competition but now it came up Nelson Mandela was actually the simple of the nation and who was in the stadium. I think that was what you refers mostly when the springbok is playing, especially in the finals when things are tight they say now we need the Madiba magic and actually South Africa won but see now actually the game was based on drop calls and penalties and like now this when people have improved and they are winning like for example in 1919 when South Africa we have Mappinbi who scored the first try for springbok in the World Cup. Initial the first one was through the penalties but Mappinbi scored and then also Okolbi had the second try so I think it has changed the shape of winning the World Cup for the springboks. Well it's a big one because you wait for these games and they don't come much often but you look at the players coming on to play this one but before we get into the game we just have to make a prediction for you by referring to where you are standing and how far you have watched the games so far between New Zealand and South Africa. Both of them are successful, three World Cup winners each in both sides. Where do you lean on who can win tonight between the two? Neutral ground. That's a very tough question but let me answer it in a clever way. The person who utilizes their lineouts well and also the kicking department if your kickers are doing the job effectively. I think that's where the difference will be because I doubt if there will be many tries in this tournament, in this final. They'll be tight. They'll be very tight and they'll try to crowd any of the dangerous players so I can't give exactly as Colin will win but whoever will take the opportunities in the key areas of the match will take it all. Well, it is a game that also comes with a lot of mind games coming on to play with a lot of experience coming on to play with a lot of history coming in to play into this game. Can you give a prediction on who can actually go ahead and win this one and how can they win it? The game is too close to call because when you look at the two teams and how strong they are and how they have established, they have played together for many years and also the South African new guy Erasmus. You see now the guy is very sharp, the guy is very smart in terms it comes to coaching and also analyzing the game. So when you look at the way they have brought up their team, look at South Africa 7-1 split that tells you that Bakil they have come to destroy and if the game holds on for the first 20 minutes Springboks hold the New Zealand for the first 20 minutes. When you look at the tournament, the way it has gone when you analyze the game, you see Springboks have been finishing strong, especially the guys who are coming in, they are very strong, just look at the last minute. See people had given up, even the summit in the stadium had started leaving, thinking that Springbok had lost but Erasmus had known that the last guy that he bring in they'd be able to win the game for the Springboks and Bakil they did their duty and when you look at 7-1 split he has seen if all remain constant especially the Bucks. You see now the Bucks they are quite a number, they are balanced very well. Look at the New Zealand guy from Aaron Smith number 9, look at Richie Moong, look at Buden Barrett. We have Rieko and then we also have Willie Jordan. You see now he is a very clinical guy and look at also the Bucks of Springboks from Fafidi Klak when you go to Polat the guy who has come in and replaced Alibok in the finals. The guy who won the game for Springbok in 2019, those have the Allende, the guy specialist and even New Zealand, you see when you look at New Zealand media they are talking so much about the Allende, they are distracting. The guy who will be able to destroy the old Bucks number 12, the Allende and then you go to other guy Jesse Creel who has played 7s, I think Youngera knows him so well, they know he was playing together. They also have, the other guy 7s will come in, so this guy Smith, you see now KwaGa Smith he will come in, he is a 7s player, he is fast, he is versatile, he is an utility player, he is a back utility also, he is also a backward utility. So he can be able also to support the team. Then now Chelsea Colby and Koods rearranged, those are very destructive and when you look at the last game they played at Twickenham, Springboks, the last build up match. Springbok won 35-7, you see these are the key players Chelsea Colby and Koods rearranged and then those who have the Allende but then Pollard was not there. So this is another addition that brought in to the team and this guy has experience. When you look at the Bucks of Springboks, they are very experienced players. The question usually is, it was actually very controversial when South Africa named their bench and did that 7-1 split. The first time they did was in a test match and it was actually against New Zealand they won. And now they are coming back, they tried it against Ireland in the pool matches, you saw the controversy that it brought out in that one and now they have actually managed to name it for this final. What is the controversy? What does this 7-1 split mean? That these other teams do not want that because most of the rugby pandits and former players and everybody are saying that the 7-1 split is destroying rugby. But from the South African perspective it is about innovation of their tactics and how they are going to play the game. So what does it mean, the 7-1 split and what does it mean for the game? It means well for the game because these are the rules and you see now what South Africa is winning, looking at it, how do you win the game? Let us also look at the other areas that coaches have not utilised. So this particular coaches of South Africa, Jack, Niba and Erasmus, they want to be ahead of the other coaches and they want to put springboks in the right. They have molded springboks. You see now their target was to bring the team, a strong team in 2019, then they come and win the World Cup in 2007. But you see now they have formed and worked so fast that they won the World Cup in 2019. And now this particular team have grown together. They have just brought in a few guys who have been brought into the team and the KwaGaS meet and Dion Furi. Ten who played in 2019 have been named in the line-up starting line-up. So these are very experienced and these coaches have been looking at where the other coaches are not utilising. When you look at what happened with the mark, the mark teams are used to kick and then the other teams again they attack. But see now they are calling, they have come for the scram down. So they are wondering which type of rugby is this. Even the commentators are wondering. Now this is a new way of playing rugby. And these guys, what they have done, they have gone out and they have analysed the game and said now we need to win the scram. Once we win the scram we will be able to get the ball and attack. And they can attack from there 22 because what teams fear making a mistake in 22 probably a penalty. But you see now these guys are specialising in their scrams. They will be able to win the scram, they will be able to attack and they will be able to score. Or if not, you see now they will be able to push the scram, they will be able to secure a penalty from the scram and then they will go for a line-up and they will get a ball. You see like what happened in England. You see now what Nani we already said. He told the guys we are coming here for scram down. And they want the scram, they got a penalty. Paula took it to 22. They had a scram and then they went for it. It was decided to scram. It was the last 7 minutes. People were saying the scram had been knocked out. But you see now the guys we are coming here are smart and they are winning from the scram. So 7-1 is about the breakdowns. They have very critical terms in the breakdowns. They are winning the breakdowns. They are securing their breakdowns and they keep on attacking and secreting the ball. You see now they are using it to break their attack line. And that's what's all about rugby. And that's the way of how the spring box is winning this particular game. So if New Zealand, I think they are masters, they are also going to scram well for this. But if they are able to win their scrams well, fine. But you see now the spring box are going to bring it out so they secure their breakdowns and also they break their attack line. Once they break their tie-knit it's okay. They are able to hold the New Zealand and they are able to win the game. Well, it is a game that everyone is waiting for and going to watch. And we've got to talk about also players who are coming on to this team. One player who has been a key figure for South Africa has got to be their captain Sia Kulisi. He was there in 2019 and is back also this time round. But when you look at Sia Kulisi away from the game itself, his leadership qualities that he brings to the team, it makes you admire the guy and that is someone who will lead in your lineup when you are going out against the all blacks. Exactly. We have worked him since 2019. And when you see him 4 years down the line, he still maintains the calm limina. Even under pressure he can still talk to the guys. He is very calm, collected and a natural born leader. Even studying when he is doing interviews, even post or pre-interviews. First of all, he is very intelligent. How he answers the question. How he interacts with this team. How he interacts with these coaches. The top down approach where he gets the message is clear from the top to his team. So I think having Sia is an advantage. Even sometimes when he is not playing much or even sometimes when he is maybe unfit or injured, you can feel the presence of Sia Kulisi. So I think the box are very lucky to have him. And we expect he wants to be history as the first captain to go back to back. So all eyes will be on Sia and how he talks to the boys. Sia Kulisi is a good one for South Africa and will be coming. But one winger from the New Zealand side is Willie Jordan. He is a very electrifying winger and can really play very well. How can South Africa play again as such a player? And some of the good players that New Zealand will bring on to the table against South Africa? What New Zealand will do will not allow those guys to play. They will rush on the defense, they will not allow them to pass the ball. But if they make the mistake that Ireland made and also Argentina made to allow these guys to attack the ball and circulate the ball, those guys are very destructive. Willie Jordan, Beauty Barrow and the other centre. These are very clean kogais and the way they attack and also with the support of Smith and Rich Mo'ung. Rich Mo'ung is one of the best fly-off now in the world. So if allow these guys to play the game, it won't be very tough for them. But what New Zealand will see and try to work for England and also the weather is chaotic, that's the biggest problem now in Paris. Now it's raining and it's also windy. See now that's also distracting, the game plan for South Africa. South Africa, most of the players, they are playing in dry conditions. But see now that kind of weather and treaty affected. So even what the coach said about the weather, he's now winning in such a weather, it's very difficult. But they came out and I think that's why this guy also now brought him. See now when you look at the bench, these are guys who are playing in Europe. Look at Kila and he's playing for Muster in Ireland. We have also played in Yacani, who is playing for Artsi in France. We have also played in Europe for long though he's now playing for Thomas in South Africa. So Artsi man is also coming, he's playing for Muster, they are playing in this particular kind of weather. Even Polad now he was brought in the 30th minute during the last game because now they are looking at Libok. Libok is playing for Thomas in South Africa dry condition most of the year. But Polad is in such a condition most of the year. Exploiting France is playing now, is playing for Leicester in England. So they brought him back and they finally stabilize the backs and they are also getting the balls and the one down to the ball was okay. But I see now who is playing for Bulls in Johannesburg. See now it goes also troubled with the ball. But see now the training that has happened for the last one week, they have trained in such a condition. So I hope they will be stabilized. But when it comes to the weather condition, if they allow these guys from New Zealand to attack and they are playing in wet condition, I think it will be destructive for South Africa. I know Arasma the way they have trained and some of the clips I think they were trying to work out on the attack. So these teams have played together, they know each other very well. And also Arasma is always ahead of the other coaches. See now it come up new things and guys get confused the way he is playing. It brings up the 7-1 split in New Zealand now. They are saying how do you play this game now? We are bringing in about 6-2. Look at their backs who have soaked the second team that is going to come. Quite a number of guys are young. They don't have the experience like the South Africans who are coming in for second half. And have to come in finishing strong. So New Zealand might work to see that they want to finish the game in the first half. But if South Africa will be able to hold them in first half, then I think it will be kawati for easy in the second half. Well it is the touch here on Y254. We are hanging out with Mali Muki, Kechi Kombo and Barry Zealand. It's all about the rugby World Cup final that is happening. It started in France actually at 9pm Kenyan time. You can be able to watch that match. We talk about the significance of this game, the history that is ahead and everything. But we have got to talk about also the tactics that come on to that game and everything. And we've got to talk about the two squads that South Africa usually brings on to the game. That is the bomb squad and now the nuke squad. The significance of the bomb squad in such a game how good will it be? Well, now it will depend. But see now, when the good thing with Erasmus, he analyzed the game and we find you are not giving out 100%. He just gets you out of the pitch and then he brings another guy. You see like what happened? He brought in Polar in the 50 minute. People were expecting HB to finish the game because he is one of the big guys in South Africa. He has been nominated for World Rugby for the World Rugby Play of the Year. But see now Erasmus, he was giving 80% and then he brought in IG Simon and Simon went on to have the winning try. We went on to contribute to the winning try. So the bomb squad will be able to come in to strengthen the team and also to destroy the forwards of New Zealand. I think they will be able to come in to come to SKQ us to get some of the penalties. Polar is there, he is accurate kicker. He will be able to convert all the penalties. So also to stabilize the game and have the breakdown, the set pieces they will be able to secure them, the line out and the line out the malls. So these guys will be there and that's why the essence of the bomb squad because they are strong, they are experienced players and they are all round. So I think that's when New Zealand was a bit worried when the bomb squad will be able to come in the second half. And I think that's where people are really waiting what bomb squad will be able to do today. Yes and then now the nukes got enough. Now that's the one that comes for the 7-1 split. Yes 7-1 split, yes. Well it's a big game there and everyone is waiting to see how it is going to pan out between these two sides. The history, the games, the player head to head it's all coming down to the final from 9pm and it is going on between these two teams in France. But the question I can put out to you is these are the two highest ranked teams in the world at the moment New Zealand, South Africa. How can the other teams catch up to them? Because it looks like it's not easy to catch up to the way New Zealand has prepared and how they play and also the spring books. Yes first of all there's a reason why these two are both three World Cup winners and they are meeting in the final. It's not even a surprise anymore. So for me they are the teams they just have to study the structures, the culture, because there's something about the rugby in these two countries. It's beyond the game. So the structures, the investment is just told you how the other team has like 15 grounds for training. So Europe has the money. Europe has the money. But now beyond the money what can you do in a strategic way of the France, the Ireland, the Englands get to that next level? Yes. I think that is the only missing bit if you can get the right structure, the right player development plans what we talk about in this size of the world. I think then these are the guys in the next World Cup they can try and catch up. Ireland can be in that conversation Wales, England just put in the hours, put in the money and you'll see results. England, South Africa and New Zealand it's almost a century of history in ranga. I was looking at it and it's 102 years history with I think 107 test matches and New Zealand has not won a test match in South Africa since 1966. So it tells you the exact thing that people need to do I still think these two are still a bit of a yard gap with the rest of the park. How can we catch up because overall when you look at the World Cup teams have really improved you look at Uruguay came and they really played very well Argentina away even from the rugby itself they believe that Argentina had to play, you look at even the last stages of the game they still had they believe that we can go against England they made it on to the semifinals and they have actually really improved in their rugby. How can the other teams actually get on to that level? I think that's been the complaint that teams have been putting to the world rugby and that's why we want to get together with a different league that's in 2026 at the Nations League and where we'll be having Tyre 1, Tyre 2 and Tyre 3 league and we'll be having promotion some nations are opposed to that because they want to they have already invested in they want to maintain the status quo and that's why they have also improved they have also increased the number of teams in 2027 the game in Australia when Australia will be hosting there will be 24 teams will be playing at that particular World Cup but the way my friend here says about the investment put in right investment put after the right infrastructure and also have to play in the right leagues you see now like the South Africa when they were kicked out of the Super Rugby within a few months they are already in the Northern Hemisphere they are playing in URC URC league and they also now in the European League and it's just within a matter of time we'll be able to see the South African teams they'll be meeting in the final in URC and they'll also be meeting the final in the European Champions League also European League so they changed the name from the European League to Henken Cup because now these particular teams are in Africa and probably two of them will be meeting in the final probably bulls and stormers will meet in the final so how do you call it a European League so now they changed to Henken Champions League or Champions Cup so what happens now here is about the investment what are you putting in investment are you playing in the right league look where Argentina is Argentina when you see now they wrote an article recently and they were tagging in South Africa for where they are they are made to the semi-final and making the semi-final so now they are playing in their league and they are not charging anything they hosted them and they improved their league so they are playing in the Karikap and that's where they are because at home they could not be able to improve on their own to be able to compete on their own but see now their players have now grown and some of them are playing in the European League so we need to have players playing in the big leagues playing with the world class players so now when you come back and you form that particular team they will also be able to go and compete but there is also the issue of investment and the issue of club rugby we should also move on from the issue of playing club rugby in and out we should have the franchise like what happened in South Africa look at this particular team players who are playing in the World Cup they are all playing in the franchise league look at what is New Zealand today those particular players they are coming from Bulls they are coming from Highlanders they are coming from Crusaders they are also coming from the Chiefs so these are coming from look at South Africa these players are coming from Bulls, Thomas they are also coming from Chiefs so you see now these are particular players who are only coming from the league the Sharks which is best in Daban so what we are supposed to do we have the franchise league then this franchise league can also be able now to monitor and manage that particular region for example we can say the western region let us have all the clubs how many clubs are in western region how many clubs so these particular players supply to one team that is the franchise team so these are particular players who are selected to the national team look at South Africa they have a 20-year-old guy in the World Cup Canon Moodie so this Canon Moodie is already played for the clubs he has moved to the franchise team he is now playing for Bulls so this particular guy you see now South Africa is already safe for the next 15 years for the next 3 World Cups 231 World Cup and also 234 World Cup so that is how they are built so this guy is already ready for the World Cup of 234 but where the other teams are not ready for 234 World Cup so we need to have that blueprint already being there look at what happened in Blue Bulls recently Blue Bulls had a tournament of 116 2500 kids playing turn up for that particular tournament so that is just one region one province in Gauteng so also in Brisbane we had 2500 kids playing in that particular tournament so this particular teams are already ahead of of the others so the others also wants to come up with this kind of structures and then they implement those structures and that is how they will be able to march and now what like we are doing something good bring about there that is particularly go and win and get promoted to have more test marches invest in those test marches I think you will be able to play well and also these particular clubs you will be able to see the first thing is we are going to Europe but it's quite expensive but they say no but after some time we will be able to get the returns so probably now in this year and next year they are getting the returns they are applying the returns back so you can spend a lot of money you enter in that particularly but at the end of the day you see the returns and that returns is your players now also playing for the national team and winning and you are okay I go with springbox Africa Africa have my Kiwis I am too close to call but the essence of the bomb squad I feel South Africa has an advantage because they have been winning under pressure and this pressure is too much for the springbox and I feel the springbox will carry the day and they will make the record as the top country making it 4 times and also the second team back to back New Zealand made it in 2011 and springbox now will be the second one making history but also the second team to win back to back in 1923 thank you two teams that have actually dominated the world of rugby from 2011 you have heard it has been New Zealand 2015 New Zealand and now 2019 it was South Africa who will it be in 2023 between the all blacks and the springbox the game is 9pm Kenyan time between New Zealand and South Africa thanks a lot Bari Silla and Mali Muki Kechi Kombo let's enjoy some of the highlights of European football and everything when it comes to Champions League Europa League and the English Premier League when we come back it will be all about the fan zone