 Oh, is active video. I was going to say video ho, but then I was afraid that the video would start right as I was saying ho video ho. So you take it out of context. Okay. Here we go. Roger, are you prepared? I'm going to start early. I'm going to hide. All right. Out of fear. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show is powered by its audience and many Texans, not outside organizations to support the Daily Tech News show. Visit dailytechnewshow.com forward slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, January 5th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt, Justin Robert, young alongside doing the show a little later in the afternoon. So if you're listening to the audio version later and it just sounds a little cloudier, a little darker, I just got back from CES. Justin, man, and, and boy, are your arms tired from carrying all this news back to L.A. Boy, are my buzzword detectors tired. You want to know, I actually, this is the first time that I have felt that CES is kind of more of a thing than it was the year before. Yeah. And I think we've talked so much about, uh, how things are maturing and commoditizing. And I think for us, we're like, oh, we're the media. No, no, there's no big, gigantic stories that we can dissect and fantasize about. But for CES, they're like, ooh, commoditizing many different versions that are only slightly different, but marginally cheaper. Let's lick our lips. Yeah, man. I, uh, I wrote this up for the weekly, uh, weekly post on, on Patreon. Uh, my thoughts on CES. And the short version is there's two conferences now, and then it was always this way, but I feel it now more than ever that there is a media conference where all the companies who don't want to go to the expense of holding their own event or don't think they can get enough reporters to show up like an Apple or Microsoft flock to CES and do a three day thing where they just throw all their announcements out against the wall. And there's varying versions of, of media approaches to that. Some that work better than others, but some of them are pretty valid. Well, I'll tell you what, we got a lot that we need to go through. Yeah. Now, man, we're going to stop talking about CES and start talking about CES with our lightning round. Amazon announced it will open a physical bookstore in Manhattan at some point this year, nothing to do with CES, I guess, but, uh, they just keep opening bookstores and now in New York, right? Book Heaven, the seat of publishing if there is ever a shot against the bow of some of the physical publishers that have jockeyed against them. This is that Huawei announced the U S version of the mate nine will come with Amazon voice services in early 2017. Now that is something that you might want to get used to hearing. We'll talk a little bit more about Amazon voice services later because there's another announcement and they're, they're basically everywhere. Xiaomi announced the 4.9 millimeter thick me TV for with a modular chipset that you can upgrade without having to change out the whole TV screen comes to China later this summer for less than $2,000. The draft spec for HDMI 2.1 was announced Wednesday as it's able to handle five K and even some definitions of 10 K video at 120 frames per second and a variable refresh rate called game mode. It also supports dynamic metadata for HDR color depths up to 16 bit. More details are expected by Q three. Yeah. Don't start swapping out your cables yet. They still have to finalize it. And Vine will shut down January 17th after which users will no longer be able to retrieve their archives. So if you want your 6.5 second loops, get them before January 17th. They will continue to be available online as an archive, but you won't be able to pull them out yourself. The app is going to change its name to Vine camera and you'll still be able to use it to record 6.5 second looping video, but you'll only be able to publish it to Twitter or save it to your camera roll. Gone in 6.5 seconds is the hacky headline that I'm already writing. Excellent. Now it is time for some top stories. Apple senior VP worldwide marketing Phil Schiller told the Verge that the Apple App Store made three billion dollars in revenue in December. It's biggest month ever. Pokemon Go was the most downloaded app of the year and the fifth highest grossing app in the app store. Apple did not share details on how much of this revenue came from subscriptions. But remember last summer is when they changed it so that there are more reasonable subscription terms for everybody. The Chinese market grew 90% year over year for Apple and coincidentally Thursday, Apple and the New York Times both announced that the New York Times app had been removed from the Chinese app store back on December 23rd at the request of the Chinese government. Apple's own books and movies have also been blocked in China since last April. So it's not as clear as like Apple gave in to China this time for somebody else. They've also had to block their own services. I mean, two big stories here. Number one, you have the gigantic gaudy eye popping three billion dollar number just out of the app store, which by the way is something that they don't put in their big head. They don't have news conferences announcing how much they made on the app store. If you just want to get a scale of how much money Apple makes, this is just a three billion dollar holiday month that happens to come from another element of their business that isn't hardware. And then on top of that, because I think I think with the three billion dollar number, the only thing that could be super interesting is if them renegotiating the subscription numbers meant more subscriptions would come to the app store in the future, which I think we're all kind of pushing for. Now you have the Chinese thing, which yet another business in China is weird to do. You got to give in or else all of a sudden a Chinese based competitor will all of a sudden have 97% of the market share tomorrow because that's how it works. Where do you see that the, the, the, the, if you're reading these tea leaves, what do you see? Yeah, I think this is the New York Times putting some pressure on China and vicariously Apple trying to get Apple to help them out here. And that this is going to make things very uncomfortable for Apple because as I mentioned, they've got their own stuff blocked and they've had to walk a very fine line between being seen as, as subservient, but also not giving up this incredibly lucrative market with its 90% app store growth indicative that, hey, even if they can't get all the Apple services and all the apps you can get elsewhere in the world, people are still eating up iPhones at a rate in China. So I imagine Apple is not, none too pleased with the New York Times for raising this, but at the same time, I see why the New York Times would say, hey, you know what, we just want to provide our brand of journalism in China and we don't think we shouldn't be allowed to. And like you say, China's got different rules. They've got different laws and they're saying, no, well, New York Times doesn't, doesn't follow our rules so we can't allow this is also the tricky question when you are dealing with companies within Silicon Valley that and including Apple that have made bold stances on where they will and won't put factories and even states within the United within our nation that they want to draw a line in the sand because they disagree with it. Where does that principle end? And many times those principles seem to die when it comes to China where a lot of these issues, again, you got to play their game. They do not play around because all of a sudden Schmapple will be the number one, you know, cell phone if you are not, if they're not pleased with the company. Just just looking up to see how much Schmapple is trading at right now. You go ahead to the next story. HTC announced the TP Cast adapter, which allows the HTC Vive headsets to operate wirelessly. It'll be available globally in Q2 for $249. HTC claims an hour and a half battery life plus a five hour XL battery pack will be available for it later this year. HTC also announces working on working with Intel on a Y gig wireless VR solution capable of 360 degree tracking. HTC also announced the three ounce Vive tracker, which is similar to the top portion of the touch controller. Developers can integrate it with accessories and make almost anything trackable in VR. There's also a new deluxe audio strap coming to make headphones more comfortable, a subscription service for the Vive port app store for trying out new games and a platform for arcade owners to take care of licensing their games and to make it easier to add VR experiences to arcades. Yeah, I compared where we are now with the Vive to Tesla that this these are top end market solutions that HTC hopes trickles down to the point where when they're able to sell a VR box plus per-hipsel for one consumer oriented price because all of these things are great and they're necessary for the Vive experience, maybe not the headsets, but certainly the wireless stuff, which from CES got rave reviews that it actually does seem to work. There might be a drop frame here or there, but it is enough to maintain the integrity of that Vive experience. But holy hell, that already high price tag for a Vive just continues to skyrocket if this is going to be a fairly necessary element. Well, and that is interesting because I imagine the HTC Vive 2 just has this built in, but you watch what HTC did. They were funding, they were accelerating this Chinese company that made the the TP Cast adapter. They allowed it to be sold in China to kind of gauge how well it would sell and keep the supply chain fairly easy to manage. And they must have looked at it and said, wow, you know what, we're getting so many people willing to jump through the hoops to get this thing shipped out of China to wherever they live in the world and enough people buying it in China that we need to make this available worldwide. Why not? So this this feels like a step down the road. And honestly, that that arcade game licensing seems like a really smart diversification move for HTC to say, yeah, we want to make it easier for developers to make cool things that you can hold in VR that get tracked and we want people to have a better headset experience and eventually we're going to want to bring down that price. But we also want an enterprise play and the enterprise play is amusement and and and making it easy for somebody who's running an arcade to bring in VR without having to worry about negotiating all of the licensing agreements with multiple game makers. Well, you want to commoditize it to the point where starting up a VR experience is the same as starting up a escape room or something like that. Yeah, yeah, just need the space and the equipment. You can write all that in a very simple spreadsheet and move along. The other thing that the enterprise play does is brings big money development into VR, which right now, especially for the Vive, which although it has, in my opinion, the best in class experience, it has a very threadbare, limited indie level development community. If you can get the big boys to start developing enterprise level stuff, then at a certain point they're going to want it to trickle down to the home user. Razor shown off a laptop called Project Valerie with three screens. You can count on Razor to do this at every CES. Come up with some concept project that's amazing. And then you make your bet whether they're actually bring it to market like they did the Razor Blade. They did that. Each panel of Project Valerie features 4K resolution for a total of 11,520 by 2160 because it's super wide with 100% Adobe RGB coverage and Nvidia G-Sync running off an Nvidia 1080 chip. The side panels slide behind one another for a body that's one and a half inches thick. The laptop itself is similar to the Blade Pro otherwise and weighs 12 pounds. Razor says the laptop is meant for engineers, developers, 3D artists and anyone else who needs multiple screens, which yes, includes gamers. Razor intends to bring it to market, but there are no details yet. So we'll see about that. So basically they're just hoping that a lot of people talk about it. So it gets a buzz and a lot of Razor does. I actually don't hold this against Razor. They're not a company that comes out and like just wants to get a lot of press attention and then folds the product and comes out with something else. They'll bring them. They have brought them to market in the past. They don't always bring them to the market, though. So this is this is their way of testing it out saying, OK, we I think it's really interesting that they're out there saying, oh, no, this is for AutoCAD folks, you know, this is for designers and engineers because they know the gamers are going to go buy it. They want to see if they can drum up any other interest. Of course. And it's not a bad idea. Well, what are the remaining the remaining things that desktop will have on a laptop? The power has largely been been closed. The heat has largely been eliminated. Razor has pioneered those elements. So, yeah, multiple displays. I predict that this is going to be a thing. I think that this is really cool. And there will be plenty of consumers asking Razor that why don't you come on over? Valerie. Project Valerie. All right. Intel showed off its project alloy computer in a headset that does virtual and augmented reality, which Intel insists on calling merged reality. Each device will have a Kaby Lake process or is Kaby Lake core processor vision processors, fish eye lenses, sensors to real sense cameras and a battery. Multiple partners will build versions of project alloy, but none of them were announced. Project alloy devices are supposed to ship in Q4. You know, I thought there was way less buzz about this than I expected when Intel announced it. It was their only real major announcement from the press conference yesterday to get picked up by folks. And they they limited the number of people who could get into the press conference. Patrick Norton, Shannon Morrison, I got shut out because they wanted everyone to be in a comfortable seat with an oculus rift on their head so they could take them on a long journey of the various use cases of VR. But this is this is what we're going to be seeing by the end of this year. Last year, we're like, hey, by the end of this year, we'll have VR headsets this year. It's going to be by the end of this year, we're going to have self contained VR headsets and wireless VR headsets. So the different take from HTC still connecting to a computer and making it wireless. This is sort of a step up more along the lines of HoloLens saying, we're just going to put the whole computer on your head. And yeah, it won't be able to do as much as an Nvidia 1080 machine would be able to do. But we think we can do something worthwhile. I think we're going to put up or shut up time for, especially, I mean, it's augmented reality. Stop it with the mix with the merge reality thing. It's like we are in a mix and it's virtual. There's the one where you can't see anything else in the world and one where you can and mixed and merged and all of that is just trying to simplify when you do both. But honestly, augmented reality to me implies you can. That's fine. And you want to know what it's what we're calling it so everybody else can stuff it. Here's the here's the issue. We have got so much heat on this idea. And as the longer we get away from these big splashy press conferences for HoloLens and this gigantic the future is happening in Plantation Florida fawning bios for Magic Leap, the further we get away from those and we don't have our flying car, the less we are going to be excited for announcements and the more we are going to be in a when it gets here, I'll be excited. But at this point, we've had Google Glass, which greatly under delivered on its promise of augmented reality from its initial promise when we have those other two that are yet to be here in any kind of meaningful way. So when it gets here, awesome possum. But until then, you just keep your press release. All right. How about a couple of products that are going to get here? Dell announced the XPS 27, an all in one PC with a 27 inch 4K touchscreen, 10 speakers, Windows Hello Facial Recognition for login and an adjustable base that can tilt horizontal. That starts at $1599 and is available to order now. There's also, and I think this one is the most intriguing of the two, the Dell Canvas 27. That's a horizontal 27 inch touchscreen. It's not a monitor you set up in front of you. It's meant to be set on the table like a Wacom tablet with QHD Adobe RGB support that can work with any computer. So you could plug it into a Mac, plug it into Linux, plug it into Windows. It comes with a digital pen and a dial. They called it a totem in the artist technical article, but it works with any computer. And it's very similar to the Microsoft dial. It also has two USB C ports, one for charging, only a USB three port mini HDMI and mini display port. The canvas starts under $2,000. They haven't pinpointed the price, but it will be available in March. This is the kind of stuff I was saying at the beginning of the show where now it's like, all right, are we kind of in a stalled point for great gigantic paradigm shifting development? CES lives in the margins. That one little cool idea where it's like, guess what? The magic confluence of cheap displays, touchscreen. Now we can have something super cool that can go across platform for 2,000. Yeah, I'm going to interject in here. Yeah, yeah, Roger. What's up? Just because it's essentially a stab at Wacom's pretty much a monopoly on this antique, which is essentially the same product. And it's it's really telling that now a lot of these big used to be commodity PC manufacturers are finding new revenue streams in what you were saying, Justin, niche markets, something that used to say, well, it's too low volume for us to make money on. But now now there's there's enough of there's enough of a spread not just in the products, but also in the in the in the potential customer base that totally would go after this. Now you've got a whole entire generation of art students who generate art completely digitally, no paper, no pen, no pencil kind of thing. So it's really cool to see. Yeah, and it's a cool adaptation to the Microsoft Surface Studio, which a lot of people, including Scott Johnson, said, hey, you know what? I could just buy that whole thing and replace my Cintiq. But I don't know. This says, hey, you don't have to replace the computer you're working on. Just replace this antique. Yeah. And I think that's that's what's interesting, especially considering that I think part of the reason why they are jumping in is because the component prices have come down from from the point that the Wacom really, really established that market. Ford is partnering with Amazon to bring Amazon voice services to cars. Use cases include telling the car to open up the garage doors, turn on the lights before you get home, play audio books and music remotely. Start and stop the engine or lock or unlock the doors. You can also check your fuel levels. The audio related features come first, a Ford focused electric Ford energy and C Max energy with the broader set of commands coming to cars with Ford Sync 3 this summer. GM is using IBM's Watson as part of the on-star system. And Daimler's Daimler Mercedes will be using Google Assistant. So begun the voice wars have. Yeah. I mean, geez, I think if we can look forward to yet another totally siloed system like we had for the last five years with all these new car technologies that came out on all these different vehicles. I don't know. I mean, we'll see how useful all this is. Well, it is the way I was looking at this is Ford announced it was part of Toyota's SDI, the open source program. And they're using that to enable Amazon voice services. So that's interesting. Ford saying, you know what, we're going to support them all carplay, auto, Android, auto, Toyota's SDI. And through SDI, we can put freaking Amazon voice services in your car. And you can talk to her and do all this cool stuff. Amazon voice services are everywhere at the show. That's the other thing to say here is like they're in the Ford. They're in the Huawei. They're in the Lenovo speaker. They are all over the place. And that's not to say that Amazon has won the battle, but they certainly are off to a lead. And we've talked a while about, you know, Amazon Echo seems to be the platform for the smart home and that momentum kept up, if not sped up at CES this year. And it shows that their strategy, which is just get out there and get on as many things as possible. I mean, if you've got an Amazon Echo at home and you've gone to the trouble of having it work with your lights and your television and you buy a Ford and it's like, hey, you could also have it in the car. And you can have, you know, like, well, I should hook it into the garage. Like Amazon just creeps more and more. We all were waiting for the person to come up with the hub, right? That would connect the smartphone turned out it was just a slow takeover. Well, I think I think we still might get there with the hub. But, you know, who knows? The more assistant is also showing up in things. So this battle is far from over. And interesting to see IBM Watson on the car end of this starting January 22nd, T-Mobile will eliminate its older plans. All new customers will get the T-Mobile one plan with unlimited data, which no longer includes added fees. That means the amount advertised will be the total amount you pay. So if you're just one person, it's $70 a month, not 79, 89. A month because we threw in this tax and this fee T-Mobile was like, we're just going to include the tax and the base price, $70 a month. You pay $70 a month. And here's the other part. If you use less than two gigabytes of data a month, you'll get a $10 credit on your bill. So this is addressing complaints of people who said, you know, I don't want unlimited data. I don't use that much data. I do do a little bit of email checking and almost everything else I do is on Wi-Fi at home or something. Now those people can earn some money back every month. Your friend in mind and friend of the show, Molly Wood said on Twitter today, T-Mobile's turnaround should it stand will go down as an absolute triumph of disciplined marketing and great man theory to which I could only hypothesize that Aaron Sorkin's eye just started twitching unaccountably without his knowledge. I mean, this is great, right? T-Mobile has essentially said, we're going to sell a two gigabyte cap for $60 a month. If you go over, it's $70 a month. Yeah. I mean, there's really, I can't, you can't argue with Molly. And she's obviously somebody who does not suffer fools gladly. And I think she's right. Like T-Mobile has stepped up over the last five years and been comparatively to other carriers reckless in their pricing and their plans, right? They have tried to shake things up. And I think everybody else is playing catch up with larger, better systems. So that is just it's good for everybody. And the more that we can get away from the what would seem to be the interminable slog to wrench every little penny out of us for mobile data, hopefully continues to abate by way of T-Mobile's actions. Music to my ears. Nielsen Music announced Thursday that streaming music services made up for declines in digital music sales, leading to an overall 3% increase in music consumption in 2016. Physical album sales became a larger share of total album sales in the year prior for the first time in a decade. Vinyl continued the 11 year upward trend, reaching sales of 13 million in 2016, the largest number since 1991. I mean, we lost Bowie and Prince, but maybe, maybe music isn't dead. No, it's it's kind of crazy. The the two parts of this one is streaming services, finally outperforming digital sales does not surprise me. We've been waiting for critical mass on streaming because streaming guarantees the amount of money someone spends. And so the music industry is going to have to come up with like, how do we get more money out of the big fans, right? Besides just concerts. And there will be ways to do that. There already are ways to do that. And here they are. Physical albums, apparently. Well, you sell them some vinyl. People are buying vinyl and not opening it. They're listening to the MP3s on Spotify, but buying the vinyl because they want to have the thing. There, man, it is the weirdest. The vinyl thing is just one of the weirdest elements of our modern culture because you're, you're so right. I came seconds away from buying a vinyl album. I don't have a turntable. And when I looked at my wife, Ashley, I was like, should we buy a turntable? She's like, no, just buy the thing. We'll like frame it. You know, like that's it. Yeah, it's so weird. We just want a keepsake. Yeah. And that I have been waiting for this moment to happen. One, one of the streaming sales to get enough that you can start to go, Hey, guess what? Wondering if people are going to buy $120 worth of albums a year, isn't as good as guaranteeing that they're going to keep paying $120 a year. As long as we can get enough of them doing it and accurately split up the revenues among us. And it seems like that's what's starting to happen. Uh, and then, yeah, uh, you know, vinyl on the, the unlikely hero coming to the rescue of like, but how are we going to get, how are we going to get those, those extra marginal sales? If we were, we're keeping people at a subscription level. And here you go. I hate to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes. Subscribe to daily tech headlines.com. Once again, big thanks to Rich Strafilino for filling in while I was at CES. Let's talk about some more of those press conferences from CES yesterday and video is the big one, I think. Well, we're going to talk about Samsung and Sony a little bit too, but Nvidia made a big play to get up on stage and tell people we are not just a graphics chip company. We make great graphics chips. They weren't trying to say they don't or steer you away from them, but they spent a lot of time talking about their other projects. They demoed a self-driving car called BB eight that responds to voice control like take me to Starbucks and video also showed co-pilot and AI that will warn you to watch out for things like bicyclists, motorcycles, changing lanes and other hazards. And if you were listening to yesterday's show and Rogers bemoaning of the nagging of cars, it's just here's more examples of a car that can tell you to watch out. Hey, why are you driving? Look out for that bicycle Audi will partner with Nvidia to put its AI on the road by 2020. Nvidia also announced GeForce now a cloud gaming service for Windows and Mac machines. Users will pay by the hour starting at $25 for 20 hours coming in March. The Nvidia Shield TV is available for pre-order now at $200 shipping later this month. It supports Netflix and Amazon 4K HDR and YouTube. Google Play Movies and Voodoo in 4K. An upgrade in the coming months will add Google Assistant to the Nvidia Shield TV as well. So here's Google starting to crawl back into that voice platform game. And finally, Nvidia launched Spot, a $50 AI microphone similar to the Amazon Echo Dot that uses Google Assistant. It plugs into any electrical outlet, but you'll need a Shield TV somewhere on your network forward to work. It doesn't work standalone. It ties into the Shield TV and Shield TV's Google Assistant. They also announced the Nvidia Squiggles, which is a bunch of boiled pasta in a pot, which they are throwing against the wall to literally see which day. Do you really see it that way for Nvidia? Because all of these are things that they have been working on for a while. Like this is the pot finally boiling for them. I mean, some of them, right? Like certainly they've tried to do the virtual machine gaming thing for a while. They've worked with the Shield for a while. The fact that you can't say that Amazon voice commands are everywhere without other people trying to get into that game and have something that's a little cheaper or easier to install theoretically. And so that's the thing for the spot. For me, the BB-8, which by the way, how are they allowed to do that without getting a cease and desist from Disney? It's a car. It's not a movie. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, it reminds me of that Simpsons episode. It's like, no, it's the shinin boy. Do you want to get sued? But that seems to me like that's the typical CES silly season kind of like, oh, look what we can do. And either way. Yeah, but Nvidia's been moving into self-driving autonomous cars for a while. This is not like brand new. They just walked out and said, hey, guess what we do now? And that was the point of their press conferences to take your reaction, which is a common reaction to Nvidia and say, no, we're serious about this. We've been making the chips that go in these cars. I don't doubt it. I hope it pans out. I just think that it's not Nvidia that I don't believe in. It's the larger place where we're going with self-driving cars. Yeah, that's not an Nvidia-specific issue, is it? No, I don't think so. And again, it's just one of those things where now we're just in certain industries that are very exciting to us and then we'll always drive headlines, AR, self-driving cars that are further away from reality than we think they are. And I'm excited. I am always cheerleading progress. I wanted to go as fast as possible. So if I sound sardonic on this, that's trying to make this show funnier, not necessarily reflective of how excited I am that this stuff is happening, I just think that we are in a very chaotic place for self-driving cars. So to say that anybody is going to be the tech that will make self-driving cars a thing in a world where we can't even legislate how we want them on the road is interesting. Well, Toyota actually made a good point there. When they were introducing the concept I yesterday, one of their heads of autonomous car research said, by the way, folks, we are, this is Toyota up on stage, right? They're like, we are nowhere close to autonomous cars. Like it's gonna be a long time till we get to that level five autonomous car. So it was really interesting to see Toyota saying, settle down, everyone. Yes, we have some great technology, we can do some amazing things, and it's fun to watch, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. These cars aren't going to be out there driving themselves everywhere yet, not for a while. It's a demo now, it's a conference pleaser to put some journalists inside a car that doesn't have a driver and let them move around in a parking lot. That's way different than having them on icy roads in Northern Maine in the middle of winter going everywhere. I get, and that's, listen, we all love it because we're nerds and we love to watch this stuff and NVIDIA doing it, that's great. If anything else, it shows that we are in a splintering world where the people that we want certain products from can come from more in different places more than they ever have before. So good on NVIDIA, but also, you know, it's a lot of pasta on the wall. I'm gonna interject and I think the bigger underlying story in this is that NVIDIA desperately is trying to get out of where a PC component supplier. They wanna move into a direction where they're not so dependent because to be honest, the margins for GPU add-on cards is gonna diminish as years go on and PCs become less and less of like the primary computing machine. They're looking for markets where their technology is relevant and they can still make money. And so they are looking at everything that requires high processing capacity in ideally a low power situation, cars, home automation, anything that can use their technology because they don't wanna be stuck, right? They don't wanna be the last dinosaur on Pangea as Pangea starts to split into its separate continents. No, it's a really good point because being in autonomous cars is a different case. Being, operating a cloud service for GeForce Now, which I think it's really clever to say play by the hour because now it's coming to PCs and now I can play my Steam games. I can access, they've been a little muddy on what that means whether that means like all you gotta do is log into Steam and you can play anything or if it requires some support, but it doesn't need to and they don't care then because they don't need to pay you, they don't need you to pay per game if you're paying per hour. They just need you to be addicted enough to the service to wanna keep buying more hours. So, and then like you said, Roger, home automation is exactly the play with the Nvidia Shield TV saying, hey, instead of an Amazon Echo that's in your kitchen or your bathroom, we're going to be the thing in your living room that you wanna watch 4K movies on and play video games over the GeForce Now service and Google Assistant will allow you to talk to it and turn on your lights and your home automation stuff that way. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, no, no, just final thing. Roger, you're absolutely right. They need to make a consumer relationship where they're making consumer products and they're building everything and they're not just the component. Probably the biggest thing that came out of the Samsung press conference yesterday was the expected, we've had a very challenging year and Samsung reiterated that they have finished their investigation into the Note 7 and there should be more coming on that by the end of the month, but they did not announce any details about the cause of the Note 7 problems here. They did announce two Chromebooks though and for fans of Chromebooks, they're pretty nice looking. The Chromebook Plus runs an ARM processor and the Chromebook Pro uses an Intel Core M3, but otherwise they're pretty much the same. They have 12.3 inch, 2400 by 1600 touchscreen displays which you can flip around tablet style. They have four gigs of RAM, 32 gigs of hard drive, two USB-C ports and a micro SD card slot. So no USB-A or B ports, no USB 3.0 ports. Headphone jack, eight hours of battery life. They also come with Google Play pre-installed with Android Nougat support coming in the spring. Chromebooks also have handwriting support in Google Keep and a stylus that slides into a slot on the side so you can do handwriting and take your notes in Google Keep. There's even a little machine learning magic to do autocomplete while you're doing your handwriting and the Engager reporter that tried it said it worked really smooth. It made it really easy to draw, to write notes on this machine. Chromebook Plus launches in February at $449. The Chromebook Pro is set for late spring and they haven't announced a price on that one. Challenging year for Samsung. I think so. Challenging year, yeah. By the way, have you heard about their involvement in this Korean presidential scandal? Oh yeah, that's a whole side thing. And it doesn't, we haven't talked about it because it doesn't weigh on their technology side but doesn't help their year out at all to be pulled in. They were like, you know, in like horse fixing. They were like paying money into like this like, yeah. Look it up. We've been talking about it a lot on politics, politics, politics. But it was funny just to look through that thing and be like, geez, Samsung really did have the crappiest year on earth that now they're involved in this thing that's chasing out the Korean president. Table that for a second. These look good. Right? These are probably the best looking Chromebooks I've seen in a while. They're solid. I would like to try them out and everything but this is the showcase for using your Android apps on a Chromebook. Yeah. I mean, I really don't, I mean, having not touched it, I don't know much to say other than this seems to be exactly where we're going with the trend lines of what people want in laptops. It's partly endemic as to why people were so overwhelmed if not outright frustrated by the MacBook refresh that some of these kinds of things didn't come to the new MacBook. So looks good. I hope that laptops are a healthy, profitable and safe place for Samsung to enjoy their 2017. Samsung also announced a gaming laptop called the Notebook Odyssey. There's a 15.6 inch and a 17.3 inch screen version. Mostly they're giving us details on the 15 inch model. That has Core i7 Kaby Lake processors, 32 gigs of DDR4 RAM. Solid state drives up to 256 gigabytes, hard drives up to a terabyte and shipping with the Nvidia GTX 1050 GPU has one USB three slot to USB two HDMI and ethernet. 15.6 inch version will start at $1,199, $1,199 in February. They don't have a price or release date on the 17.3 inch one, but Samsung getting into gaming laptops also. Sony, right? Samsung. No, that's the same. That's the last of the Samsung announcements. The last Samsung. Now we move to the Sony announcements. Sure, I'm sorry. I got lost in all the feature readings, sorry. Yeah, yeah. I split up the Samsung announcements on you there. Well, I'll do all the Sony ones together. There's only three of them we're gonna mention here. The XBR A1E Bravia 4K OLED TV, Sony getting in the OLED game, taking on LG with Dolby Vision HDR running Android TV comes in 55, 65 and 77 inch sizes. TVs use the entire screen as a speaker. For sound, remember we heard about somebody trying that earlier this week. Sony was demonstrating it at their booth. It can be wall mounted or sit on the floor with a stand. Sony's UBP X800 Blu-ray player has 4K and HDR support available now for all consumers. It's pretty similar to the X100ES, which was only available through custom installations. Now everybody will be able to buy it. X800 can play UHD Blu-ray discs, stream in 4K from services like Netflix. It's coming in the spring, although they didn't announce a price. And Sony said, look, if that $13,000 short throw laser projector yesterday was too little for you, we have a short throw projector called the VPL VZ1000ES that can throw a hundred inch image on a wall from as close as six inches. It's three feet wide, weighs 77 pounds. And Paul Miller at The Verge pointed out, that is actually 40% smaller than the current model of Sony's short throw projector. The VZ1000ES supports HDR, has 2,500 lumens, and will be available in April, Justin, for $25,000. All right, so let's go ahead. Everybody up your Patreon pledge. So we can take one of these. Yes, make a note that you wanna buy Justin the $25,000 Sony short throw projector if you're backing for that reason. Indeed, it's just gonna, I'm just gonna have nothing but HDR footage of somebody throwing a bunch of pasta against a wall. But yeah, no, these are always, this is one of the things I've never been to CES myself, but things like these I can only imagine are the forever treat of the conference. It's just seeing cutting edge enterprise level, they're gonna be at every basketball arena in three years kind of a big displays and tech like this, right? Yeah, this is for people who have a lot of money to spend on a custom installation in a home theater and they wanna have the most impressive thing and projectors are very good. They avoid a lot of the problems if you have the right situation. So, hey, a short throw laser projector, who cares if it's $25,000? I'm gonna get the really good one from Sony is probably what rich people say. I have no idea. I've never heard anyone say that. And then they put out their cigars into their pile of caviar. Which is resting on $100 bills. Hey, thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit, you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. It does remind me though, like back in the day, 2004, it was always like somebody's got a 90 inch television, well, somebody's got a 92 inch television this year. Oh, next year it was a 95 inch. And then they got above a hundred inches and realized it wasn't worth the shipping costs just to have the bragging rights anymore. So now we're back to a hundred inches cause it's easy to bring that 77 pound short throw projector with. Yeah. And now we're gonna, now we just have a resolution so high you can see three seconds into the future. By the way, JT zero in the chat room wins. It's 77 pounds. Of course it's short throw. It's hard to even pick up. Message of the day comes from Rich who said, for someone who wants to roll their own cloud gaming. Of course we were talking about GeForce now earlier but on Monday with Patrick or on Tuesday with Patrick Bezier, we talked about Shadow PC and some other cloud gaming services. Rich says, I remember reading about someone making a decent gaming experience with EC2. Obviously you're not going to get the same latency since you won't have whatever peering agreements, SP deals or ISP deals that Shadow PC probably has. But for 53 cents an hour, it might be fun to try out. And he's got a link to ig.io that details attempts to make your own cloud gaming service just installing your games. This will give you all your Steam games, right? Cause you just access a virtual PC and install your games on. Sounds rad, man. Yeah. Thank you, Rich, for that. And thank you, everyone, for watching. Thank you for supporting the show and allowing us to go to CES. Mr. Justin, Robert Young, what do you got going on these days? Oh, man, all sorts of stuff. We are five days a week streaming on diamondclub.tv and twitch.tv. If you would like to follow me, twitch.tv slash Justin R. Young. Or, hey, remember what Twitch used to be called? Um, Twitch used to be called? Yeah, it used to have another name. There was, there was another, uh, another, another, uh, Well, there was Justin TV, but... Oh, yeah. So you can go to JustinRYoung.tv. Ah! channel. Uh, yeah, we're doing all sorts of stuff, including every Thursday. 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Just call it Schmapple Schmapple. T-Mobile Bull and the T-Mobile has done a weird turn around. Like I remember when people were just like, oh, this company's going to get absorbed or died. No, I almost said that on the show, like about how Sprint used to be the ailing one and T-Mobile was dead. And now T-Mobile is like on the rise and Sprint is the dead one. People say that about T-Mobile. What it was AT&T that that merger was going to happen and then fell apart. T-Mobile is like, T-Mobile is dead. AT&T needs to buy them up. Otherwise, they won't survive. And then the FCC said it was FTC said, right? FTC said that. I know the FCC said no. The FTC may have also said no. Um, Alexa's got a creep. The vinyl thing, Chroma's a new Mac, CS is still a thing. I shall call it merged reality begun. The CS will be in basketball arenas in three years. I don't understand that one. That was the short throw projector. To see the crazy thing at the show. Oh yeah, the big enterprise level tech that it's like, you know, you're just going to see in the lobbies at hotels. And, you know, eventually when it gets like, it's 25,000 now, but when it gets down to 5,000, it'll be in every Hilton. CES still a thing. Then yo dog, I hear you like talking about CES. CES is still a thing. It's still a trade show. It's still where Best Buy buying managers go. The funny thing, the tech, the cab driver laughed at me this morning on my way to the airport. He's like, Oh, are you in town for business? I was like, Yeah, I was in town for CES. He's like, Well, it's just starting today. I'm like, Yeah, I know. Get down, you were coming back. And I was talking to Colleen last night. And she's like, Yeah, I'm going tomorrow. Yeah. Oh man, I'm going to miss Colleen then. Damn it. Miss Colleen. I think you might have. Yeah, you might have Chris. I had a couple of people text me today saying, Oh, so you want to meet up? I'm like, not there anymore. I don't have to be. So I'm not going to go. I am missing showstoppers, which is too bad. That's always a good show. Yeah. Showstoppers. Yeah. No, I like, I don't know. Maybe it's just because I've continued to make more and more friends in the tech press. And so like, part of it's like, I kind of just want to go to CES, like I go to South by and like. Yeah. And just hang out. Yeah. For like the open bars. But it's so much more work to meet up with people at CES because everyone is conflicting schedules. Yeah. See, not if you don't have a schedule. Well, you don't, but they do. Yeah. And that's fine. Because like, I can just take any availability, right? Five minutes now, sure. 2 a.m. That's fine. Me too. I don't like talking about CES. I'm tempted to use that one. How about we just leave it at, I hear you like talking about CES. Oh, no, the yo dogs, what makes it, isn't it? Yo dog. It's very 90s, but sure. Yo dog. Oh, yeah, yeah. Late in the afternoon, this is later in the day that we usually do this show. So kind of yawning. I know, right? I'm not usually up this late. I'm not having my early bird special. The best birds are the early birds. I don't know what to call this episode. CES, the final countdown. No, I'm not CES, the final. Voice Wars, a new trope. Voice Wars. You know what, I think I might do that. I'm making the title. I don't think I've actually made a title in years. I'm going to try to get a family T-Mobile plan. So Jen is not paying AT&T for spotty service. Oh, we should all be on a family plan together then. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, Eileen and I are on T-Mobile too. And she was, we were not on a family plan because she had to get hers paid through work. But her new job, they gave her a separate phone with a separate account and it's not T-Mobile. So she needs a family plan. Well, save me money. I mean, save us money, I should say. Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Your connection stayed through the whole show, Justin. It likes to just give us a little pinch in the butt. You know, at the beginning and then straightens out. It's a gamer, my internet connection. You know, a real show must go on kind of ISP relationship. Should do what Tom doesn't get another, like get DSL and then get a bonded router or something to take two of them. I feel like that would be a very smart thing to do. It's involved, but it's not super hard to do to get both of them to show up as a single internet connection to you. I mean, the problem is, is that the uptime in general. It's good. So reliable that it's like, you almost don't want to have to, like you almost have to have a failure to justify it. Right? Yeah. Have a MeFi or whatever and standby. Yeah. I mean, even that's expensive. I mean, that's the thing is like to do redundant internet is just, especially when it's like push comes to shove. I could always just stream off your phone, right? If it's like, if it was a, I don't know, it just, it seems like one of those things where it's like, I almost just wish that there would be a way in which I could upgrade within my current ISP to have another ISP, right? Right. Like places with unbundled systems where you can just be like, Hey, it's the same pipes, but just give me another one. Just give me two and, you know, It's like, if I need to, I need to utility suppliers. Yeah, exactly. All right, guys. Well, fun times. Good times. Magical. Great taste. Thank you for doing the later time. Hey, no problem, man. And yeah, good times all around. I'll talk to you. Bye everybody. Bye.