 Good morning, everybody. Welcome once again to another edition of Man Crush. This is Youth in Politics. We have got two wonderful guests who are here. They're going to help me have this discussion because it's a tough one today, but it's an interesting one. Let me introduce Daniel Orogo. He's a political analyst and he's going to say what he does as well and give his social media handle in case anybody wants to reach out to him. Thank you. So what do you do? My name is Daniel Orogo. I'm a political man, but apart from that, he's the work of raising the family and trying to make these communities better, trying to make my society better and have a political agenda for the whole of the nation that would benefit us as a country. And what's your social media handle? My Facebook name is Daniel Orogo and my Twitter handle is at Daniel Orogo as well. And our other guest is Omoyo Arribe. Welcome very much. I hear you don't want to be called a political analyst, so I'll let you do that introduction. From my village, if they hear you saying Arribe, they'll think I've been baptized again. My name is Arribe Omoyo. Arribe Omoyo. I'm a lawyer by profession. My social media handle, Facebook I have 499 friends. On Facebook it's Arribe Omoyo Samba and on Twitter it's still at Omoyo Samba. Well, welcome once again. My name is Joy Mochache. You can find me on Twitter that is joy underscore mochache and we're going to dive right in. I'm hearing that we're importing fish you guys and I started with this one because it's a very easy topic to discuss because it's not necessarily political, it's more of a current affair and we've got a lot of youth that are watching us right now and so we've got to factor that in. We're importing fish from China. We're finding out that the fish has lead, mercury and all sorts of dangerous metals in them and the other time we found out that there was a problem with sugar then there was the issue with maize. What is happening? Why is everything that's coming in? Why is everything that's in our country so contaminated? I don't really think the issue is contamination for say as much as the health of the Kenyans is paramount. For me the problem is that there is somebody somewhere who's gaining at the expense of Kenyans. That is the major challenge because you realize that when the president was at Strathmore sometimes back with small and medium enterprise guys they really complained about these issues and the president was like we cannot grow foreign farms so we cannot have goods and services coming from outside the country at the expense of the local ones and now to add salt to an injury we realize that the fish has lead and has some poisonous chemicals so for me let's look at who is gaining from that at the end of the day. Don't we have enough fish in the country? We have enough fish in the country. We have fish rotting in Lake Victoria. We have fish farmers in Kirinyaga. We have fish farmers in Kisi. I mean have we finished consuming what they produce before we can go out of the country? You know that's funny because they're saying the reason they're importing is because there's not enough fish especially in the areas you've mentioned is that? Well I think I really like to join what my colleague has just talked about. It is important for us as a country especially we are speaking to a very young nation, a population that is vibrant, a population that is so energetic and techno-savvy and you see when a nation takes a direction of trying to import everything. It means that we are doubting the skills that we have. We are doubting what we have and one of the things we are doubting is the innovation opportunities for young people that we have. Like you have said we have fish and all these minerals and everything that we mentioned but then why do we have enough resources and import that should be the question and then you say that somebody's benefit of course of course there's somebody's benefiting on on behalf of so many people. Young people who are the verge of unemployed or underemployment and looking for jobs it could be very important that why would we revamp you know try to bring these industries up in Lake Victoria and instead of Lake Victoria for example being now chocked by water hyacinth nothing going on and you see our sugar industry in western and sugar belt region in Yangtze region in Kisi regions completely done and then we are importing sugar. I think there's just something so wrong with our national psyche you know as a country and when something goes wrong it's deliberately killing the future of this country so I think it's important for us even in this station and this is a youth station that we speak to the conscious of young people that you see do not shy away from speaking about politics and hence we are having one fresh piece. We really need to don't fear even as we dance we treat on social media we post on facebook mention something about what is wrong with your country. I working the consciousness of other young people to make sure that even as we live this love issue and this lifestyle there is something constantly wrong with our environment and we really need to speak about it so I think everything goes down there that we even everywhere we really need sometimes to even after we have for example party less than five minutes to reflect about what direction are we taking as a country and somebody said as I conclude somebody says that we are living in a borrowed future like you see we are holding it on behalf of our children have you ever asked yourself why is it that these people grieve rich but my father never grieve rich what happened to to these you know everybody who is in government but my father so it's the question that I don't want my future children to ask me why that why was there a problem in this country that people are busy importing fish and this fish in Lake Victoria but you guys never did something about this so these are questions that I would not really want to be asked about in the future that's why I'm doing something now and I think on the light notice that when when some people are getting the second neck of plot my grandfather got a second wife but that is not the point that is not very rich so for any country what we look at is sustainability in terms of goods in terms of services in terms of the labor market every country should aspire to grow some of these things from within so that at the end of the day nobody threatens you that if we close down the imports in terms of maybe goods or services the country is going to cripple down so that then you are self-sustainable you grow what you can consume you develop your skillset and I think that is where we are departing from as a country we are not growing what we have we the president and the country at large we have something we call buy Kenya build Kenya but to what extent that the buy Kenya build Kenya mantra work I mean there are some things that which we launch on the media and and develop social media pages for them but when you go to the to the implementation bit we don't implement them so for me I'll be very happy as a country if it's doctors we don't need them from Cuba if it's fish we don't need it from China if it's prosecutors we don't need from them from the UK if it's sugar we don't need it from Brazil I mean so that as a country we develop our own skillset yeah so what we're looking at is in general that we should focus on the future of our youth particularly not just coming up with ways in which to make things better for them but implementing them because I know we're also very good at doing things on paper but then actually implementing something and let it run and yeah allowing Kenya to be sustainable by itself is is something that we're struggling with but this is why we are here even on this panel talking this is why such like you said such conversations are important and our youth should not be oblivious to what's going on around I think before we finish on a light note some mcs from some county in central went to Rwanda to benchmark I think on some fish farming or something else only for them to be told from Rwanda that we benchmarked in I'm like these guys boarded an aircraft and went to Rwanda to benchmark when they got there they were told all what we are doing we benchmarked from where you just come from yeah what a waste of a trip before we move to the next question I'd like to remind you guys our social media handles please remember that's why 254 channel on facebook and you can also hit us up on twitter at why 254 channel and as well as instagram why 254 channel we're moving on right now to talk about kplc because i'm hearing that there is a stretch about i think 100 kilometers worth of land where there has been buildings and people living there and kplc is looking to evacuate these people because these land this land is not necessarily land that should be built on or land that should people should live on and what's happening is that they have to live by the 24th and i think it's going to be a really sad christmas for saudi you know why we are laughing no why the reason why we are laughing that i'm wondering this is a topic that is very emotive to dan oh really and this is a topic that we have had this conversation on different forums oh okay and that is why you said that people are supposed to have a kid we laughed and this has been our position i think these are some of the issues that we all agree okay the number one we don't need to have people living on public land that one by principle we agree i mean you cannot just walk into public land and just build go near an airport and put up a seven story building go to a road reserve and put up a kiosk we agree that should not happen you and you and you and we all agree that should not happen but before all these steps are taken we have some kind of government agencies which are involved before i move into occupy kbc land probably i'll get a permit to build or to put up a structure and now you cannot come out and sanctify yourself and say that you guys since you came in and we allowed you now we are turning your back that you guys you need to move that should not happen we are punishing i mean we are not calling them innocent kenyans but these government agencies i'll give you an example of safe apartments in in in high-rise yes actually they were built and commissioned by the then uh housing minister so it is standard rest in peace a government minister commissioned the building i can't forget he's dead he gave the right go ahead i mean by the time agave a cabinet secretary or a minister as then he was walks to inspect the building and give them a clean bill of health that means ordinarily that all these agencies have given it a clean bill of health how do you come 10 years later or eight years later and say guys you know you built this building near dub you need to move so there are some people who sleep on their jobs and when they sleep on their jobs then we don't need to punish kenyans the president i just said that now it's time for these government agencies and those people to be personally held responsible but have we seen dci doing anything nothing so we all agree that people need to move from road reserves from government land but then all these government people who sleep on the job and sometimes they pick taxes from those people those people pay land rates they pay business permits what happens to them exactly and i can't say no i think on this topic we've we've really they have been written you may have exhausted it it's uh that's what i'm saying that i'm just still going to um really um deliberate on some of these things like arab has mentioned any process that comes as a result of evocation or an eviction there is a procedure there is a process and well i mean it's been found that they were living in a land that uh they belongs to kplc but then who actually gave the authorization for them to start putting up these structures there to stay well these people paying these rates so if if this is confirmed then one of the things uh the the authorities needs to do is to work on a compensation a compensation procedure to compensate them for living there and what they have been paying because they have been paying the government their rates and the services are there these are guys who like you've mentioned it's headed towards a festive season and children will be going back to school to open the schools do we have that kind of humanity or we're just saying you guys need to live live and go the human beings who've been there the families who are raised there the children all that as their only home what do you have that in mind that you really need to begin to think about that but apart from this i i really need us to see the prosecution bodies taking place not really just a roadside pronouncements know that we've seen you know they need to live and i'll hold the people who issued yes the president has issued this kind of notice and i've asked people to follow up through we really need to see how many people have been held responsible i don't know even how do you hold a dead person responsible but i think uh those who are actually part of the process the procedure that issued an authority for them to stay should actually be held so that it serves as a lesson for the rest if such things are still happening right now but again there have been a problem with kplc and you see this this institution i think just needs to be i don't know what can be done be each problem be it uh high hiking uh you know prices for for you know for power be it you know using that there's just been a lot of issues i don't think they're still having a court case by apollomboyan uh in case so i think this parastatul and is in another minister of energy which is having a problem in itself again as a ministry so i think it really needs to be looked up to into totality the whole thing about energy in this country and and sometimes i even think instead of us uh thinking about electric current we really need even to think about the sustainable um sustainable energy you know wind power and all these things that we so that uh whenever such parastatul are having problems we do not be affected so much by these kind of issues exactly yeah yeah right you know kenya a lot of scandals have been going on and um i'm bringing up the n h i f one because should i let you express what you wanted to express or some things in these countries you think it's a movie you can't proceed a receptionist boarding an helicopter from town to athe river i mean it can only happen in a movie yeah you can continue which movie but you know this this this is just i mean scandal after scandal after scandal after scandal and i still can't get i can't wrap my mind around how a receptionist is able to afford that kind of lifestyle i just can't wrap my head around it and so i'm asking myself who is behind this is it how how what's happening and because before that we had the issue with ny s yeah we've just talked about kplc and it just seems it's not ending it's not what is wrong with our how can i put them what is wrong with our structures that we have put up to help our people such you know structures like n h i f in any country if there are some sectors you're not supposed to make money from yeah if you realize that in any country profits are being made from health from security and from education know that that country is doomed because these are very critical sectors which then are supposed to be used to propel the country to another level so that if there is somebody who's making a profit in the health sector then there is a life being lost somewhere if there is somebody who's being who's making a profit from the security sector then there is insecurity somewhere and the life is being is being is being lost and i'll give three examples you remember about the i'm the personnel carriers that we imported i don't know from china where which then one which steps on a land mine and then it's torn apart and you think it was a suzuki alto or something of the sort and you wonder how do we procure such defective items you come to the health sector what was the reasoning behind the national hospital insurance fund the reasoning was that let this be a contributory scheme so that at the end of the day it's like some type of some type of insurance let's put the money together to benefit those who will fall ill and in an event where you don't fall ill then you have that assurance that you are okay and if you fall ill you know that it will be paid for from somebody else's contribution that is how insurance works insurance works in that you have that piece of mind that you are making a contribution somewhere so that at the end of the day if you fall ill or something a calamity happens you'll be compensated or you'll be put in a better position than than which you were in that calamity so that for the national hospital insurance fund a lot of money is being put in there from taxpayers it's actually a compulsory contributory scheme by those people who are employed and for the unemployed people there has always been that campaign of the monthly contributions by maybe by by by phone or by something else but now if you look at it critically contributions are being made in billions at the end of the day the patients do not get paid for i think it's paid it pays for bed or something else it doesn't get to pay for everything compressively yeah if you go to a hospital now it's when they're trying to compressively do something like MRI and dialysis and such but then look at the scandals which are happening you having a receptionist taking an helicopter ride from town to at the river because they don't yeah some people walk from in attached area i don't know to time long and this is a guy who owns who earns 100 and something thousand, 160. But then, how much does an helicopter ride cost per hour? It's so much. I mean, this is some kind of mediocrity and some kind of thuggery. We cannot call this corruption. This is some kind of thuggery and some kind of robbery, which is happening in this country by some civil servants. This is day like robbery. Oh, wow. This has touched you people a little. I mean, go to Kenyatta Hospital. OK. Go to Bagadi. Look at the number of people who are suffering. And look at this idiot. I'm sorry, we used that one. Look at this idiot. Who takes an helicopter ride on taxpayers' money? We do this culture anyway. I'm going to use that one. Look at this person, because he sits in the tender commit and the matter is before court, but then you cannot justify that kind of living. You are a salary of 10 shillings, but you are wearing shoes of 100,000 shillings. You cannot justify some things. I'm some blessing. You are blessed to want. No, no, no, no, no. Miracles happen to you. Which miracles? Has it happened to you? Has it happened to your life? Let's say, let's see what's going on. I mean, what happened in your life? I'm trying to justify. Let's see what Daniel has to say. I'm trying to justify. Daylight robbery, you're a thug. You're free to play the devil's advocate. What I'm just saying is, you are a lawyer. He is subject to due process of the law. And I think right now, the investigatory board is trying to find out how did he manage to accumulate such a wealth by being a receptionist. That will leave to the authorities. But I'm saying, if, like you said, for example, there are sectors in this country that you should never, never try to draw money from in illegal ways. And it's mentioned, especially health of a nation. A healthy nation was always a wealthy nation. That has been said. But one of the most striking things is like, you see, I really don't understand. In the backdrop of the president launching universal health coverage, you know? And in the backdrop, somebody somewhere is trying to tear that apart. That kind of a good initiative by scandals like this. So we are seeing a government. And the reason as to why I say that the buck stops with the president, he can issue a directive. He's just a directive. That he needs this to be investigated. He needs this to be brought to book as soon as possible. I have not heard him talk about that. But I think he's probably he will talk about that. Because this will make his legacy, especially on universal health coverage. I just a mere PR. People need to accrue this. But the dynamic that I would want to give it right now. I always give the youth dynamic. But in areas where, for example, employment of people who are serving at NHIA for these bodies, the young people who are skilled and are still tamerking, the money, even if it's not for, even if it's for health recovery. But then you're denying other people opportunities that they might have crude by getting employment at these services. Because you are earning illegally, where you're taking a resource that could have been channeled toward the initiative. So I think this is something that I would say it's close to the hearts of not only us here, but so many Kenyans. Because the problem we are having as a country, we are an alien country. And by alien country, we really need to have a very comprehensive universal health coverage and a cover for health. Well, OK. Well, thank you so much for that. Your views have just been amazing. And actually, we're going to go and take a break right now. So we'll be back in two minutes. Please stay tuned.