 Hi, I'm here at the Ivy Tech X Show with Helen Carlin from the Hull Centre. I think the Hull Centre is one of the most impressive organisations working in printed and hybrid electronics. Helen, tell us about the Hull Centre. Yes. So Hull Centre is a research institute based in Eindhoven in the Netherlands. We work on flexible system infolds. One of our, some of our examples are OLED lighting, PVs, thin film batteries, TFT based technologies such as flexible displays. More and more we are working on technologies in hybrid printed electronics. Here are some examples. One of them that we are very proud of it and working extensively the past years is Inmode Electronics. We received also a very nice recognition from ID Tech X organisation. What was new about this Inmode Electronics piece? So Inmode Electronics, basically the idea is to make the surface as a smart and integrate a lot of functionalities to the surface. Here we have integrated OLED lighting which is the first in the world. We have touch panels here. We have for example integrated sliders and also functionalities such as NFC. So if we put our telephone on the panel, the lights will go on and for example you can use your mobile phone to customise a surface. What has been your innovation in this? Has it been in the materials or actually the assembly of the product and what has been the hardest thing in order for you to achieve this that you dealt with? Good question. So as a research organisation we don't develop materials. We have partners. We work, collaborate extensively with them to develop the best materials for these sorts of applications. What is the key is that we are building up an ecosystem around an application. From end users, material providers, machinery developers and we also look at how the process will look like because in the end we want to develop a process that is suitable for manufacturing in high volume and good quality. And so how do you now translate what you've done here into commercial product? How do you do that for your partners? What's the mechanism in which they can transfer this technology from you into commercial use? Yes. So we're looking at, we try to make the process as mature as possible and in that sense we're building up an ecosystem and end user is able to have the product developed with manufacturers who are working on this domain using materials that has been qualified for this application. This makes the whole process much more accessible than the speed of the innovation domain. This is an example of the newest in-mode electronics so it's kind of a car dashboard model and here we have integrated touch panels, sliders and NFCs into a new system. What sort of applications do you envisage this to be used in? Basically for in-mode electronics we see a lot of interest from automotive industry and they are the drivers from there and obviously there are some key benefits of in-mode electronics which are reducing the light, reducing the weight, making the whole application lightweight but also adding functionalities to the surfaces and looking at autonomous driving we would like to have the car as an extension of our house and as our part of our personality so we want to communicate with every part in an automotive industry. I was particularly interested by some of these samples you just have at the bottom here if you don't mind me taking them out. So just attaching different sized components onto flexible substrates is a huge challenge. How are you addressing that? We work extensively with companies who make for example adhesives but also with companies who are working on automated pick and place of components and at HOS we develop a lot of IPs on how to have the best bondage of components on a different substrate. This is a very thin flexible substrate but we also looking at stretchable substrates. If you have a chip bonded to a stretchable substrate you have a lot of extra challenges how the chip stays connected to the foil. Right. And that becomes very important to develop new processes for that. And so what are the big challenges of printing the flexible electronics you are going to be working on next? I think a lot goes into two domains for us one is in medical applications you can get how we can measure different biomedical or vital signs and parameters from human body there comes measurement so developing new type of sensors and also making the whole system bi-compatible that goes on the skin without irritation you can have it for a week on your body without any problems. That's one part of it and the next part of it is as obviously seen here automotive industry adding more functionalities haptic feedback touch replacing the buttons in the car or replacing displays in a new way into the car I think there are all the keywords that we are looking at and we will reuse a lot of know-how that is already existing within the whole center as well to develop these two applications. Thank you. Sure.