 Like Fulgoff before them, they couldn't escape the shadow of Helen Clark. First question, when were they last in contact with her? Within the last week. And what was it about? None of your business. He then conceded they did discuss politics and leadership. And what about Shearer? I actually asked to see her when she was back, but she was, when she texted back saying she had family business so we didn't make it. But perhaps he needs to get his family to listen to him first. Where do we go wrong? What do we do? Why aren't we connecting? Why is my own family necessarily connecting, for example? Your family... Not Labour Party supporters. Not all of it, no. And so why not? My wife does. I mean, let's say we don't have any hostility in the household. What about Winston Peters? Do they support him? I don't think we can afford to write New Zealand first off. I don't even know if Winston Peters will be around in three years. At first the Labour leader has to be decided. If it was based on the debate, David Cunliffe owned it. He was direct, confident. He spoke like a leader. Shearer simply wasn't as sharp or strong.