 Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Live from Atlanta, Georgia. You watching New Jackthriller City. Man, everybody give it up, give it up, give it up, wow! Shout out to the biggest, the baddest, dopest DJ in the land, DJ Wiz. All right, all right. And my hostess with the most is, you know what I'm saying? She brung that wagon in here today and everything. The dragon. That wagon, that dragon. Yeah, she doing the thing. She dragging that wagon. Y'all give it up for the one and only, the gorgeous, delicious. Thank you. She so scrumptious. Thank you. And on today's show, man, we got my player partner, my homeboy, my friend. We talk every day on the phone and he's the newest addition, like Bobby Brown to this show. Man, y'all give it up for Aurel. Let's get it. Yo, what's up Aurel? Hey man, you already know that I even, no, I'm Robert today. I even put the ring on and everything. Usually when I'm out being the artist, I'm like, you're okay. This isn't, but when I'm around family, I can, you know, be myself. So it's just, did I feel like I'm at home? I'm jumping in. First of all, good to see you. Good to see you. But okay, so what is that like for your lovely wife? I'm always the first flight guy. I'm always on the first flight cause I know that the only thing open later are legs and gas stations. So I'm trying to get on the first flight to the crib cause I mean, I'm a man first, but I think after Rory was born, my daughter, a lot of perspectives change anyway. So I think she understands like, it's a character. It's like Superman, you know, he takes his glasses off, right? This is, I gotta take this off when it's time to work. It's just, it's just, I have to be able to turn it on and off. But like when I get off a flight after doing this show and all these people screaming and all that and I come home, as soon as I open that door, if there's trash then these would be taken out. You gotta be able to turn it off. And early when you're not mature, it's hard to turn that off. He's like, wait a minute, I hope it's all on one. You should listen now to, what, twerk something. You know what I'm saying? You gotta learn, you know, to turn it off when you get to the crib. So that's different now, huh? It's not a twerk some on demand. Right. Now you're getting right. I love it, I'm sorry. I just had to ask that because me being delicious and married, strange marriage, it was no such thing as I couldn't wear my ring. That was a threat to the environment. Well, for me. Hold on, hold on, this is a conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a thing? Yeah, yeah. I think that for me, I hate to say, because I don't wanna sound sexist, I know it's different, but I always feel like men might look at it differently. I bet you do, but how do you? I'm gonna tell you how, I'm gonna tell you how, because usually that ring costs me a lot of shows, right? And what it represents for me on you is a little different from what this represents. I don't, this doesn't mean, this means something, but it doesn't mean as much as your ring does. That's why mine is smaller. I like that you broke that down like that. So that doesn't mean love to you. No, her having my last name. Yes. So the ring is the extension of my last name. To me. Right. For me, I can't say for everybody, because I don't take it off and be like, let me hide this, because truthfully, I hate to say it like this, but I probably get more attention with the ring on. Absolutely. You know what I mean? So they be like, and it's like, oh, you already know, especially with social media, you know, I'm Rory's dad now, or they know Lena Huggs. So I'm not hiding anything. It's just that I have to become somebody else. Like even in the dressing room, I have an issue with my group member sometimes they're like having people back there. And I look at it like before the game, who's in the locker room with the team besides the coaches? No one. I need to be, In that mode. I'm rude kind of before I have to turn. I'm not Rory's dad anymore. It has to be something else. So this ring, if I look down at it and I'm dancing in a girl, I, It's out of place. Exactly. I get that. And that's, I'm saying I'm holding somebody hand and they touching this. This is sacred. So it's like my shield. I put this on after the show. That makes no sense. My husband thought you better, I don't care what club you're in. I don't care how they're on you, how they're taking pictures. You better have that ring on and better be shiny. Better be wearing it. Okay. That's how he felt. That's how he felt. How did you feel though? Did you feel like he was in ring jail? No, not at all. I actually, I have been separated for the last so and so months and it's still on my finger. So it's not even, I actually love what it represents. What does it represent? It represents that I'm, I belong to someone or I'm at least off the market. Okay. That's what it means. And what keeps you wearing it now, being that you're going to a transition? I respect that. Because things can turn around and a guy will really hurt with the, so what happened when we wasn't together though? Exactly. And I can imagine that because, well, I won't say that. I just sit back and think of that because I do look at it as men and women are different in a lot of different, you know, circumstances. So I have not been with anyone since my husband and I haven't been together since February. Let me ask you a question. I got it for all of the viewers out there. And again, this is just my perspective. Say y'all a couple and y'all walking to a spot together. And you see a dude that she used to mess with and y'all see a chick that she used to mess with. Who's the, now watch this, who's the chick talking about? She's talking about me. Look at it. Oh, that's who he was. Look what she got. Who was the dude talking about? He's talking about him. No. I used to have her like this. I still got it in my phone cause, listen, so it's always, the pressure is on you to always be a queen. Because wherever you go, the worst thing that can happen is, it's happened to me when I was younger. I'm holding her hand. I'm trying to introduce, oh, what's up, such and such. And she calling the nickname. And I'm like, how do you know that name? That's right. So that's, there's many more insecure than women. I'm gonna keep it 100. So that's that insecurity right there. Just to know, did you love him? Hold on. How am I insecure? And I ain't got my body done. I can afford to go get my chest done. But you don't need, but you know what? You have personality. There's a difference. Oh yeah. I got so many, I got my personality. I abs. No, my husband was heavy. When we, now we all slim and trim. But my husband was heavy. My husband was a big guy when I got with him. I actually liked him better when he was heavy. So. So you're saying that when he's healthy, he didn't, he had started acting different. Oh my God. Dude, he left me out. He's very different. Hold on. How am I left you? He got a B and L, a Brazilian nigga lift. Baby. What happened? No. He got a B and L, a Brazilian brain lift. Cause clearly you walked out on him. A B and L, a Brazilian dick lift. I knew you was gonna do it. You know what was going on there? Hey, you be trying to make me fight that shit. I do. I really been working on it. Like he been, you know, helping me get to get the R and B side of me and whatnot. And company, he like, check it ain't always got to be that rough and that hard. Cause we've been writing some music together and stuff in. Have you really? Met, let me tell you, this guy right here. Oh, I know. Is the goat. This is most underrated writer I've ever met. And my producer. Man, incomparable. I'm talking about, he owns some Quincy Jones type. Teddy Riley, whoever you think is the dopest nigga out there. Yo, man, he, he's giving them a right for me. No, wait, I do got to say this cause we've known each other for a long time. You've been in my house. You've been around my family. I'm proud of you. And I'm honored that you have me on here with y'all because you can, you've added to people and they haven't reciprocated. Everybody has them because if they had, you would already be in a whole different status for anyway. But now you have the right people around you that are letting you be great like you are. And that's why when you hit me, it's first, second ring. And if I'm in the middle, I could be on stage. So as I get off, it's dress room call. What's up? What's up, bro? There's a different type of relationship cause I see greatness in you. And I know that the world going to get to see it. So I'll be able to look back and be like, yo, I was one of the, look, go look at the footage. I can't wait. Bro, thank you man. Cause he, you treat me like that. You, like, I don't, I don't know about what I've done and who I helped. And all of a sudden I really don't like to do that and stuff. But man, just the fact that you do and I look up to you, man. I'm a fan. I'm proud of you. And, you know, anything that I could ever do to help your situation out. Man, I'm in whatever you want to do whatever time you want to do it in. And I'm so honored that you'd even, you know what I'm saying? Consider being on this project and doing this show with me. I'm thrilled. That's the, that's the word. I'm thrilled. Okay. That's what I gotta say. Wow. That's the catchphrase. Now y'all got to start using that. I'm thrilled. I like that. I'm thrilled. That's dope. We got to make that, we got to make on three of the segment on this show. What thrills you? What thrills you? There you go. Thrill secrets. No, yo, that's, that's in addition to my relationship segment, but then we're going to discuss later that. I need to have, we need to, okay, let's, please ladies. Speaking of underrated, underrated are the top dogs now. Mm. Like the, the, are the artists, the producers, the writers, the musicians. I think all that are underrated are really the ones that are the goats. They're 100%. And it, but you know, one thing that I don't want to happen to me because I do, I go in front. I do feel underrated, but I definitely want to get my flowers while I'm here and I want to see, I don't want to be Frankie Lyman. Got you. I don't want to die in 2030 years later. Niggas tell this dope ass story about me on this dope movie that I don't get to see. Yeah. I'm with that. You know what I'm saying? Cause I've lived a drug, a really amazing life up to now. You know what I'm saying? Between love, career, people that I've worked with and some old shit, people that I help get on and all that other stuff and whatnot. You know, the, the sex, the drugs, the rap, you know, rock and roll and all, but I wanted, I want that to be, I want to get the flowers while I'm here. You want to get the knowledge. Yes. I wanted to get a knowledge, man. I want to be one of them dudes and stuff, you know? This is the beginning of your knowledge. It feels like, this feels like right now in this space, this time, while we're talking, this is the beginning. This is the beginning. This feels like the beginning right now. I got chills. I got chills just being on set with y'all. Oh my goodness. Right now. 100%. That or are you chilly? Man, 100%. It's cold in here. Look here. Yeah. So, man, like, let's, let's talk about the music, man. Let's talk about the music. Cause I would, it's funny that you and, delicious came out swinging with this relationship and the ring thing. Cause I was just going to ask, what all the butter love you didn't have inside your life? Like what makes you say, Hey, it's time. It's time to hang up that stick of butter. Because every man wants to feel special, right? You want to feel like somebody with you for you, right? And I was always a relationship dude. Always. Really? I always wanted to be in a relationship. I wanted the security. I wanted to know somebody who was with me for me, plus I'm nasty and I can't be just nasty with everybody. But I got it. Hey, that's what I, one thing I hate. You can't, you get monkeypox, all kinds of shit. Right. Man, go ahead. I won't say who. So this was my gentlemen stage. One of the first times we went on tour with a very big group and I met a young lady. I was like, oh, word. And I was like, you know what? I'm not going to bring it to the room tonight. I'm exchange numbers with her. She came and hung out. I was getting late. You should probably go and I was, I did that whole thing, right? So the next morning in this one, you stay at the hotels that are kind of like when you open the door, you can see the hotels across the hotel, like one of those. And I was coming out of my room and she was coming out of another group. Members room? No, not my member, but another, like the- From another group? She, hey, somebody called her on the way out. And it's, what I realized is she was, she just wanted somebody. I don't want a groupie. I'll take a R.R.L.E., like, or I would back then. R.R.L.E. means she just, I've always loved you. I've always wanted to meet you. I've always wanted to you. A groupie means anybody from any of the groups or anybody that's on tour, to me. There's a difference of women that say, oh, I don't want you to think I'm a groupie. A groupie means that if one of my group members or somebody from Drew, Jagged, wants somebody, anybody, that's what it was. I just always wanted to feel special. Right. You know what I mean? And that was the hard part. The other thing is, I didn't want to sleep with you. I wanted to lay with you, but you had to go. Yeah. So- That should be weird though. You don't know how to tell somebody to leave. Your Aries, makes sense, okay. I mean, no, for me to understand- No, both of my daughters are Aries. So I understand the logic of Aries. Okay. I was wondering what you was going to do. No, both of my daughters are Aries. But yeah, I just wanted to, I've always wanted to just feel special. I'm a middle child, you know what I'm saying? I'm a young- Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. Right. So I've always said something, I gotta be different. You got, you've done this with him. He did what? What about your ear? What about your nostril? Wow. I need something different. Wow. So it was always, I gotta make me feel special. And so when you found it, how did you know that was different? What's funny is when I met Lena, was actually at a studio. She, her cousin had an artist. She had just came because of Katrina. She came to Katrina. Yeah, she from New Orleans. Oh, wow. And I met her and I told her the day I met her. I was like, I'm gonna marry you one day. And I was in the situation kind of she was. We were both, it was crazy. I took her father. Oh, that's a nice phone. Can I see your phone? Put it on the phone. But then, honestly, she gave me blue balls for like six months straight. And that for you, Marsha. Disappeared. I love her. No, but no disappeared and got back with her dude. She had been with her in New Orleans. And two years later, she called me about a charity event. As soon as I heard her voice, I was dating some new girl in church. I heard her voice. I was like, oh, yeah, I'll do the charity event, but I need to see you. You would do? Nope. Okay, cool. She literally came and saw me. New Year's Day. We, she finally, you know, did what she was supposed to do on the 4th of January. Which was be with you? No. Yeah, be with me, but be with, biblically. Yeah. Yes, amen. Hey, you heard what he said, did what she was supposed to do. Right, right. That's the words of a man that invested about 2,500 in this. Disappeared for two years on me, but you know, marriage is hard, but I've been in a situation before where I've been married and the dude, I sang in his wedding reception, an NFL player. And he was messing with, who'd you say? Michael Vick. No, his name was Michael, but it ain't big though. Oh, wow. I was in Minnesota. We hung out every day, come over, play, PlayStation, everything you could think of. And he was pop, pop, pop, pop. You know what I'm saying? So I had been hurt, and I was really like, okay, never again, I'm cool, but you know, Lena was innocent, it was a different situation. She's a sweet girl. You know what I mean? Again, every marriage, every relationship, listen, you already know it's hard. It is. Because you have, it's selfless, love, well, marriage is selfless. You know, we're all programmed to be selfish in certain aspects. So it's still a work in progress. You know what I'm saying? But that's not that you were able to even find that. Now, did you and your music, did you come to like a head when you would have to go and perform and be around these venues with these women and no ring? Nah, because truthfully, once you've been, and I hate to say it like this, once you've been with certain things that are like, you're scared, I'm scared of whores. I'm scared of, I hate to say it like that. That's why I'm at now. Yeah. Yeah. Monkey Fox. No, no, I had a, my son is 26. My daughter was five. So I had a child really young. I was pretty much a child. So I remember I was, I would put on a calm, I'm gonna go to sleep. Just in case I'd dreamt about some sex. I was so scared. I got on the tunnel now. I believe you. You were always like that? Yeah, I was, I was really certain things in my life happened. That scared me, whether it was love, whether it was, you know, children, anything. Everything's been a blessing. Everything's a lesson when you look back in hindsight. But truthfully, it was scary. Being young didn't know what was gonna happen, how it was gonna happen. Moving to Atlanta, by myself. Where are you from? Minneapolis. North side, yeah. Really? Born and raised. I guess that. Okay. That's pretty dope. Are you from Detroit? Where are you from? I am from Detroit. I love Detroit. You can go to Detroit all the time. Yeah, I love Detroit. That was the city that showed us the most love in the beginning of our careers. Why don't you feel that way? We loved their music and then what they were talking about, then they were good looking. Hey, Lainette, that's my home girl. But no, you guys were like, really good looking. And then it was three of them. It was just dope. Detroit, they had that vibe. Detroit is, it was amazing, amazing city. Like they showed us more love than our hometowns. So, it was just different. You know, I love home, but I'll never forget, it was the first place. You should have cut your ass out of it. Our first show, our first major show was with Chris Tucker and Melanie Camacho at the Fox in Detroit. Our first major show, y'all. That's pretty dope. So what made you the relationship specialist out of the group? I don't even think I am. I think Tweet is the motivational speaker. That's him. For me, I just try to be honest. What I learned is people like realness. Like when I can come in and say, look, we be having issues. That's why I hate being around couples. Oh honey, everything's great. You're lying. He just smacked you in the car and you just need him in the nuts on the way in here. Everything's perfect. Nah, stuff be messed up. So I just like honesty, I try to be as transparent as I can. Yeah, yeah. That's what a lot of relationships is missing. It's just the transparency and whatnot. And you know, I'd always like to think of myself as a straight shooter. I'm telling you exactly what I want. Don't try to conform to who I am to make me happy. If you ain't down with that, don't be down with that. I'm looking for like-minded people that are inside of the same, or they might be able to introduce you to some new shit that you ain't even, wasn't even up on. Oh, I like that. 100%. But you won't know that if they're not authentically being themselves. Yes, yes. But people are afraid to be there themselves in front of you because they're scared they might lose you or you won't fuck with them no more. That's because the honeymoon phase- And I probably shouldn't fuck with you when I find out who you really are. I probably would have never fucked with you. And there's nothing wrong with that. But that's the honeymoon phase. Like I always- It is. I'm gonna hate to say it, but I was an A-hole in the beginning of relationships purposely because I wanted to get that out the way. Lena even teases me now because she put the toilet paper under and I was like, no, baby. When she first came to my house, this is the right way. Because she would tease me, but I was like, no, we have to have an understanding of certain things. Of the angel stuff. Because the honeymoon's after the wedding. Not before. People have this honeymoon phase where, oh, it doesn't bother me that much. If it bothers you a little in the beginning, you're gonna hate it in the middle. And then they're gonna get- It's gonna increase. And having to see, we're not supposed to see each other for 24 hours. That's not supposed to happen in a relationship. We're not. We're not designed to sit in each other's faces for 24-7. Somebody's gonna get choked out, either verbally or physically. So we had to do that. You can hear the studio audience, they all, do you guys agree? We're not supposed to beat up in each other's faces. Maybe I heard a comedian say 12 hours and two of them awake the other 10 sleep. But I'm just- That's why I'm glad Lena got a corporate job. See? Listen, I'll be like now. Oh, that's how you feel too? Yes. Well, I just think you need time away from each other. You know what I'm saying? You need to have your own friends, different things you like to do, your own interests, because even my mother, bless her heart, once she retired, she was so busy trying to do things for my dad and she didn't have sudden friends that she had, she grew apart from, because they're like, all she gonna do is if her husband calls, she gonna bounce or do this. Then you get older and you don't have interests. And I always didn't want that in a relationship. You gotta have other things you like to do, because we are gonna get on each other's nerves and need space. Absolutely, absolutely. And you need that space to wanna miss that person. And I don't mean like be just gone, but sitting, I got married during the pandemic. So I got married and... You had mask on at your wedding? I had literally, I can only have 25 people. Initially, it was gonna be at least 250. But because of the pandemic, we had to break that completely down and then nobody could sit next to one another and there was a mask with our names and wedding date on it on each seat. That was a blessing though, because you ain't gonna get less people, less money you gotta spend. No, it definitely did, not financially. Yeah, especially the reception. Yeah, and now you know what? I didn't even, I realized, I wanted it small. And I didn't think that. I'm like, when Raymond and I came out, engaged the whole world, you know, talking about it. So I'm like, oh, we gotta do this really big, we should probably do a show. But I got so in love, I didn't even care anymore. So 25 was actually really dope. It was very intimate. It was small, we say, money. And it just felt very personal. It didn't feel like a thing. It felt like a wedding. Did you sing at the wedding? No, you know what? I think that that was probably until the reception, the quietest I had ever been. I was so nervous. Oh wow. Yeah, I'm in the dressing room and all the bridesmaids and stuff and everybody is having a good time. But I'm kind of in a state of nervousness. And it was, yeah, it was a lot, cause it was COVID. So we're just right in each other's faces. So all of those things that you were not authentic about initially are now coming to life. Now he has to help me take my wig off. Yeah, sir. You used to double flush? You used to double flush? Now you don't double flush? You have to double flush. I mean, you know, you're going in but like, yeah, there's a little residue left. Yes, I was anal like that. And at that part, I probably played a serious role in. My OCD probably kicked in over time and it's like, as soon as the garbage can is full, I want it out, no dishes in the sink. But yeah, that probably wouldn't have been a big deal had we been apart from each other. But being this close, getting to know a person, married six months after meeting, six weeks engaged after dating. So yeah, it was a lot. Yeah. That sounds magical to me. What? Which part? The fighting? All of it. The arguing. Yeah. OCD. The removing of my wig. Them snoring at night. You didn't like him. I loved him. No, I loved him. I just think that the pandemic didn't seem like it was up close and personal to you. Very much so. Cause, you know, she would go to her corporate job and now it's like, it was just different. But I had, my studio was at the crib. I had built the gym in the crib, so I would find different things, a little spaces to get away. And that was my way of doing things. That made a difference. Yeah, we built a man cave. Okay. Then he introduced me to smoking, so I was in the man cave with him. So he probably didn't like me. Gotcha. I was always cleaning up after him. Gotcha. Yeah. Smoking his shit. Then I started smoking his weed, yeah. Yeah, okay. Do you smoke? I mean, my mama smoked, my brother, I couldn't. He didn't get by to give you an R and B answer. No, I can't. I just couldn't. Okay. Why not? Cole, what you want to add? We had a great studio audience, so yes. You fell in love at the marriage. So does that mean you fall in love more once you're together? Or were you not? Like, what was it? Cause it's like, did you not know that you were out in love before you got married? Or like, you fell in love once you were already married? It was surreal to me. First of all, six weeks into dating, someone asked me to get married. I was like, I was like speechless at first. But depending on, at that time, I was excited cause it was Raymond, he was harmless. You know, I didn't feel like there was a threat there. And I was sporty. So I was like, you know what? You really are not going to take anybody else seriously that you're dating. Cause I was dating famous people cause it was convenient at the time. You know, like when you're famous. That's what you're around. You're around that. Yeah, I was around that. They could understand my schedule. They could understand my job. They could respect it because they were of the same environment. So Raymond, he was like the best of both worlds to me because he was a part of that sector because of the Netflix special. And then he also was a gentleman outside of that. Like he seemed just very, you know, laid back and he really is laid back. So I knew that I had great feelings for him and it felt good that he was reciprocating. He proposed. So then we moved together and then six months later or prior to that, the pandemic hit. The pandemic made everything seem so big. It was like you lived for a totally different purpose and your priorities, you know, switched up cause people were just like dying and you didn't know. So everything that was in front of you if you were into it was important to you. So it's like, let's not wait to build up this big wedding. We're together. We're in this house together. Let's be here and be married because I even ended up getting pregnant. So I'm like, let's, yeah. Yeah. So it was, the love was growing on my end. That's dope. So at first I love the pandemic. I was like, oh, I get to see my kids every day. You know, and I got my fiance and we're here we're screwing in the garage in different places and stuff we're hiding out. Yeah, you know, yeah. The fine places to cause I was- My pandemic was way different than this. I was all by myself. No, then you have to find places or get creative. My she was like, I am a legend. There's nowhere you can find when you got like, was she about three at the time? There's nowhere you- Oh, see, she's a baby. She's gonna find you. You know, you got the little, the little camera and then she got to try to put it face down so I ain't got to look up and see my baby in the bed. Exactly, yeah. No, but the pandemic was, that was tough. After a while, it wasn't a bliss. It was more so like, who is this? Are you really sounding like that at night in your sleep? And he would look over at me like, who is dude? Why does he have a fade? It was me. And so I was trying to be like Cisco. I shaved my head and everything. You shaved your head without his permission. It was a new permission. That was another thing, right? You lose your independent state of thinking and you kind of not think for two people when you probably should. Damn. And I thought for one- Relationship shit. Walked in there with a fade. He was like, it was all the way. Okay. Yeah. If Lena wants to shave her head, Aurea. Without permission. Without your permission. What's your reaction? Well, what's funny is I would prefer that over Weave. Oh. He's such an R&B singer. Let me tell you why. He's so R&B. No, no, it's not even that. I grew up in a hair salon. My mother did hair. She's a cosmetologist by trade. But I remember when you had to go in this little secret room in the back with no windows and nobody knew. Now it's like, I got this hair for sale. What you need? I got this great A. You just cut off this little Indian girl. What you want to do? It was just different, right? So for me, that was just never my thing. I understood that every woman wanted to play like there was Beyoncé. Like Beyoncé, she got appearance here and appearance there. So heat on her head every day is a healthy thing. I know that. I know that women used to go to the Dominican shop, spend $30 and their hair would be straighter than anything, right? But a lot of women start making the excuse of, well, just like Beyoncé, no, you're not doing interviews, baby. You know how that performance, let's not do that. So I had to go back to the wigs because of my job. Exactly, because you got all these appearances. But there's a lot of women that were used as an excuse and there's nothing against, look, if you like it, I love it. But for me and mine, okay? But she probably got some covering or stuff right now sold in, which I love it, baby. He's great. But if I prefer it, you know, I would do the Teddy Savalas. But she got a big head though. I'm sorry. No, I have a big face. So my husband didn't prefer it. I'm like, it's all natural. It grew back eventually, actually it grew back faster. But I guess it would be preference, but I should have probably discussed it with him. But honestly, as long as a guy feels like you, including him, he'd be like, do whatever you want to do, because I like my lady's hair. But I've seen it in everywhere. I've seen it with the bob. I remember when she went to the wrong place and she had to cut it down. I remember when I left one time and came home and she had the little, the bangs that looked like, what's the girl name? Were her head turning around? Oh no. She had the bang like the one time. Like Dora? No, no, like the lady that was possessed. What was it? Chrissie. Poltergeist. No, no, that ain't Poltergeist. That's terrible. No, I see you young. You can't know. It's just, the head, whatever it is, she had the bangs, right? I came out, I never forgot. I came out from Oklahoma. I came in and I was like, what in the hell happened? We laugh about it now, but, you know, being, well growing up in a hair salon, no one women express themselves with their hair. I have to be okay with whatever she wanna do. You know what I'm saying? Do whatever you're comfortable with. And especially being in this industry now and even though she's an executive, she's kind of the social like this new thing that I'm still getting used to. There's hell, she went to two events last night. So it's like, it's crazy. No, and she's really dope too. How are you moving into the world changing as an artist? Cause everything that you guys did back then, I'm sure you go in the studio, you record it, you put it out, then you go on tour, you tour it. Now you gotta be so engaging. Well, it's totally against the way I was taught. The way I was taught is, I would get something new, my mama would say, you act like you ain't used to nothing. They'll see it when you got an honor. You don't need to show people they're gonna be trying to break in here and take the shoes. Now, everybody's flossing, but they really capping in a lot of ways. They wanna show you everything they have. And the only reason I even put on the little jewelry is cause I'm here with family. Like I'm not trying to be on none of that. So I have to really reprogram myself. And that is another issue in my relationship because Lena taking pictures everywhere. She wanna post everything. And I was black planet. You know, we put in an area code and zip code to try to find some ladies in that city. Black planet, that was the first thing. That's before my space, okay? Right. So that we have like a six, almost seven year age difference and that age difference is the difference of social media like that. But I really feel like social media kind of makes you antisocial. It does. Because you go to concerts and people really got their phone up taping so people that didn't pay can see. Listen, even with family events. That's a bad business decision. You just paid your money and instead of you partying with the people around you, you're like, arms getting tired and shit. They don't make no sense to me. But it works. It is harder because like now, luckily because of my disography and writing and doing different things in my past, I can just put out music for the love of it. But I understand the frustrations of artists because my core fan base doesn't have a way to get my music because let's be honest, the only reason, I don't wanna get y'all mad at me but a big reason that people are on social media is to be nosy and to look at other people's lives of what's going on. Or to buy tummy tea or some hair or a hair bonnet or something like that, you know what I'm saying? Not to discover music. Right, so I can't sell new music. It is frustrating to go do a sold out concert and no way to get my new music out to people but I'll give that to cats. And music, it revolves and evolves. So eventually people can reintroduce themselves, come back out and find different ways and be creative. Until then, I'll just be working on Jack's album and we'll just be chillin'. Really? So there is not a different machine that could fix that just because that's the way it is now? No, there's machines, there's people in power that can put you in position. I'll say this, this is the problem. Claude Davis discovered us, one of the biggest music moguls ever, right? Absolutely. And I could walk in his office and he would say, play the record. Let me hear a hit. If you have a hit, I can dress you up, I can put it in the right people's hands and I can take care of everything. I remember when it changed, I went into a meeting and somebody was like, so what's your social media presence like? What's your following? They didn't even need to hit a record first. It was like, so what's your following? And it was like, wait, what? You don't, I don't need to play the record first. And that was the issue I had. I'm totally, I'm not the dude in the club, in the back with the linen outfit on with the Jesus Sandals mad at the world because I'm quote unquote not poppin'. That's me. It's more like, you know what, I'm just more like, there's so much talent Jagged Edge put out an album last year, I believe 112. All these amazing Drew Hill, all these amazing acts put out this new music. And I know it's this heartening when people are like, when you gonna drop something? We love y'all. You're like, well, I dropped something last month. People don't, there's no way to get it to them. And lastly, cause I don't wanna go on a tangent. No, go. With radio, DJs used to be the ones that go, I'm gonna hit you to something new. And then you knew it. He played it at five, they're gonna play it at six, 30, let me go back and listen to the station. They would introduce you to new music. Now there's playlist, strict playlist, and they can't. And the only new music, and I love Tank, that's bro, the only new music to me that they play on Urban AC sounds older. It does. So there's not really a place for legacy artists like myself because in our community, they consider us old. I hate to say it, it's the Seraq mentality. That's why Seraq has to keep coming out with new flavors. The niggas, the tingeous man is like, that was last week, what you got this week? We need the watermelon mango now. Where in other cultures, it's like, oh, just give me a Jack and Coke. My grandfather's, grandfather's, grandfather drank that. We throw each other away and then at the funeral, it's like, oh my God, I love it so much. And I can't believe it. Exactly. It was teasing with you. It was teasing her, and instead of, a lot of that probably would have saved her if they would have embraced her and showed her love and made her realize her greatness and who she was. Well, I think that's a blindness on the culture. Yeah. Because when, and not to put anybody out there, but there's just factual, when Lindsay Lohan would go through something or even Britney Spears or one of these other artists, Demi Lovato, they would go, their culture would go and grab them up. Justin Bieber, Justin Bieber got canceled for a minute. Yeah. He went back like, okay, that's quite all white. Let me go back over here. He was trying to be with Lil Wayne and him. He went back doing that EDM stuff, like, uh-uh. It was a rat. Yes, back, because they back their culture. So I think that, that is. When he saw we was haters, he got the fuck out. He was in Miami. I think there's some shooting happening, some happening. He was like, oh my God, I'm supposed to be like, what up, what up, dog, what up, oh my God. I'm just Chustin, switched up quick as hell. And I ain't mad at that though. But we don't have that comfort thing that we can go back to. Right. You know what I'm saying? We supposed to be like Mama House or Grand Mama House. I got my girl kicked me out. You know, baby, you know, you always got a place here now. We should be like that for each other. And I'm not saying some of us aren't, but you know, again, I'm from Minneapolis, you know, with the, I remember flying out meeting with the police chief about the George Floyd situation, all that. I've been seeing all these things and I still love how we come together. I just wish it wasn't just during tragedies and stuff like that. No, that's absolutely right. Do you think the music is saturated? Yes and no. I think that because of technology, what happens is talented artists come out before they're ready and they might hit a lick, which means, okay, now they got like a record that's banging out, but now you gotta follow that up and you ain't really. A hundred skills. A hundred skills and got yourself how you need to be. So you're not even ready or they come see you live and they're like, whoa. Oh shit, yeah. So I think there's a lot of great talent. It just hasn't been seasoned like it should be. And you can't be mad at that. Somebody had to crib and they bought a beat off YouTube or something and they hit a lick. You know what I mean? Think of Panda, Panda, Panda. This dude in real estate now, he getting paper. You think of, what's the- Is that what he's doing? Is that what he's doing in real estate? All gold, everything. What's his name? Trinidad J. Trinidad J, same thing. So I don't even call it wonders. I think that's disrespectful. I think that they took an opportunity and a level of success and went and they did other things. That's greatness to me. And I think that that's what we've always been. We've had an ingenuity to find ways to go, okay, let me take this and use this to go over here and do that. That's why there's no, I'm not a hate nigga, man. Listen, you can get it, get it. However it is, if I can go on a microphone. Yeah, sing that shit over and over again and feed my family. I'm doing it. Yeah. I'm with that. Who shocked you? Did Cardi shock you? No. Did you think she was gonna have the longevity she had? Yeah, only because she didn't care. Getting her teeth fixed, when she was twerking outside dudes jail and all that. The truth is, we talked about your greatness. It's all about putting it in the right position. And like we said, we don't do enough of telling you, know you better than that or you got something. And you season it and you work on it. You get the right people around you. I guarantee you, if you see who was around Cardi at that time, they could put somebody else around them, same people, and there would be greatness. It's always about that village. I do believe that. The team. Yeah, like Kim, I think without Chris, I think it would have been different. Kim Kardashian, I think her mom. Oh, I thought she was the black dude with the ball head. Oh, no, that was my guy, he from where I'm from. He from Minneapolis. Chris Humphries, the dude that she was married to first? Yeah. Well, second. What's he thinking about your time? That was her second husband? Yeah, because Damien from the underdogs was her first husband. Shot the front door, OK. But I think that there's a team that's Kim Kardashian. Oh, huh. Got you. I'm thinking about who else I can't stop loving. No, not Kim, the artist. Oh, he's the artist. OK, the other artist Kim. I got to get out more. You know what, I really think that Kim is great in her lane. I think that people will say, well, what does she do? I think she's done a whole lot. Oh, yeah, she could have been in her. She took the internet and like, listen, made a whole channel. She's a whole brand. And I'm not, you can't. She's a business. The sun, OK, my son is in the marijuana industry, right? Shout out to your son. Yeah, but at first I was like, wait, what's going on with this? I remember he had got like, you know, locked, sorry. So I got locked up for a second, like 30 days. Like, it was funny. That really was a hot thing. He just hit me up like that. Can you pay off my car? I'm like, OK, I'm going to send, because he lives in Phoenix. He gave the cash to his uncle, 20 bands, and take this to my dad. Like, now he's a boss, like legally. And just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's wrong. And I had to learn that because, again, I don't smoke. But I'm a family of smokers. I used to steal my brother's weed and sell it. No, not at all. But I think a lot of times we limit ourselves because it's something we don't understand. And we hate on it. Like, that's automatically what happens. People have been hating on wifey for years. Like, this on wifey, they hate on it. Like, I've heard people go, why I got to be wifey? Why can't it be wife? Why don't you ask me? Nigga, I wrote it. Ask me what it means. No, no, they hate it on the name. What's the difference between wife and the wifey? You want to know? It takes the seriousness out of it? No, no, no. It's not really because I had a lot of people in the hood that was like, listen, my old lady got good credit. I don't want to fuck that up. I can't afford the ring that she deserves, or I got to get my shit together. But in my heart, there's nobody else. She's my wife. That's wifey. Maybe the only thing that was missing was a piece of paper. That's all it was. It's a ghetto marriage, or a marriage of saying like, look, you deserve more, and I'm going to be more. But right now, I don't deserve you as my wife. And that was the vision for the record. But people were like, well, why is it that I hate that song? Because it's why can't she be wife? Well, really, all I'm saying is, baby, I'm not good enough yet. Right. But I think that they, I heard a song about Candy, and I was in love with it. It was called Laffy Taffy, you know what I mean? Yeah, of course. Like, that was about girls shake that Laffy Taffy. Like, it was a song, wifey. I thought it was dope. Oh, thank you. I thought it said exactly what it meant. But people in a lot of ways... Laffy Taffy was about Laffy Taffy. No, it was about a butt. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah, Laffy Taffy. I didn't know that. You didn't even want somebody to really shake some candy. Yeah, I was buying a lot of Laffy Taffy this time I'm coming to that song. No. I really was, yeah. So did you think wifey meant wife? Yeah, I did. Thank you. I always wanted... Like he had said earlier, I'm a relationship guy. I always wanted to be in a relationship. So, you know, whenever I got a chance to be in wifey or wifey-esque situations, you know, I definitely took advantage. Yes, you did. Yeah, you did. So their music was influential to your behavior. 100%. That's why we need that music back. Yes, you might want and listen. No, but you know what? Stop, because it's there. You can't say back. We need it in the forefront because again, there's a lot of great music, a lot of artists. No disrespect. And you just needed to be in the forefront. More present. And that's what I meant. I think that we forget. And I don't forget on purpose because like what's in your car right now? If I turned on your car, what music comes out? I'm going to sound vain. It's yours? It's music that you ain't heard before because I have to listen to it over and over again because if I don't like it or if I can't like it after hearing it over and over again, then you ain't never going to hear. So it's really always listening to my new stuff. But no, but that's with a purpose. What do you listen to for entertainment? Probably classic stuff. Come on now. Just come on now. I do listen to some new stuff. Like what? There's a lot of this Lucky Day. There's a, what is her name? Oh my goodness. I just, you know. Tiffany Gauchay. I just, you know, Lucky Day before we got here. Listen, that's like. Kenyan, what is his name? Kenyan. Oh my God. Oh my gosh. He just came up with an album called Closer. Can I remember his name? There's a lot of great artists. And what's funny is. Did he perform on BET? I think he did. He did. Yeah, I just bought that too. He sang with Usher background. There's a lot of great acts that. Eric Bellinger? Eric Bellinger, that's my little bro. There's a lot of cast that were behind the scenes. You know he got 29 fucking albums? I believe it. All he does all day long is music. Yeah. And then a lot of the albums are long because he's a music guy. He's all day long. Talents are underrated. I got 3, 400 records that decrypt. That's all we do. Like when you love music, you just create. So. But why don't more artists release like Aaron Bellinger? Eric, he self-contained. He created a fan base with social media and doing different things. He's in a generation or a generation after mine, if not two generations after mine, to where he can take advantage of a lot of the things that my core audience. I can't say all of them, but a lot of my core audience don't necessarily utilize. So he's mastered that. He can go on tour and do different things. And he did a tour with Sammy, who I love. Yeah, he did. It was great. Those things are amazing. I think he's a little bit older than him. Because I started a music video. He wrote a song about me called So Delicious. Delicious as fuck. And so I started a video. But he's just a creative mind. And so, yeah, he, but to me, I think he creates those lanes or opportunities. Because he's a thinker like that. Hey, what's up, what's up, man? It's your boy Jack Thriller, man. Hey, it's another segment of love according to music. So job. Yo, music, you know, I'm really big on if. A woman wants to actually go out on a date with me because I'm not really a date guy. But if you the one brought it up, I feel like she should pay. Am I tripping? I'm not going to say that you tripping because I don't know what your financial situation is. I don't know what your upbringing looks like. So it's not my place to say that you tripping. However, I think this is also kind of like the whole engagement thing that we talked about before. There was just certain, you know, it's certain words I don't like to use because of what it's gotten associated with. But I can't think of any other words. So I'm just going to talk regularly. So there's this concept of roles. There's this concept of expectations of positions, whatever, whatever thing you want to put on it. That has just been a tried and true and traditional conventional thing that has happened. And if she brought it up, I would, me personally, I would take that as that's just her communicating what she likes. She likes to go out on dates. She likes to be, you know, wind and dine. She likes to be, you know, fed and, you know, she likes to have a good conversation. She likes to have a night out. She likes to have time out and be seen and enjoy being in your company under those circumstances. But I think it's also should be understood that in no way, in no way is she saying that she's willing to pay for it. That's why she got you. That's what she's expecting out of you. Now, there is a reality of the fact that, okay, if you want something and I can't afford it or you want to go in on it with me, you know, that again, that needs to be a conversation. And then, and you'll also find that with that, a lot of women, you know, I don't, at least I don't know of a lot of women that's going to like go along with that. Then again, maybe now, then things are changing. Maybe nowadays, you know, women are more willing to do that. You know, but again, you'll find that everything that I say always goes back to having the conversation, talk about it. You know, it's not fair to just assume a person is okay with something just because you want them to be okay with it. You know, and then you may say some things, but it didn't hone in on the point that you were actually trying to make and you didn't understand that they understood what point you were trying to make. So, have a conversation, bring it up. If you don't feel like it was understood, bring it up again until you get some kind of confirmation like, okay, okay, I understand. You know, I always had to be like that, annoyed, but I'm just being extreme to say, unless you know, you know, by a number of factors that that person understands, you shouldn't assume that they get it. They operate as if they do. Saying in that to say, I think you just don't have no money. That's what it looks like. Okay. And I think you don't want to spend no money, which is probably why she has to ask for the date because your thing was, I ain't trying to spend a whole bunch of money, but then you should expect her looking at you like a broke ass, you know, wasting my time as, why are we even doing this ass, fake ass? And I'm fine with that. Okay. But everybody not. 100%. You know, I just like, I think it was last night actually. Okay. Young lady, she just asked me out on a picnic and I'm like, who the hell, I look like Yogi Bear or something. I don't, I've never been on a picnic and I'm supposed to plan the picnic too and whatnot. It's not really my thing. She expected you to plan it? She picked me. She wanted to go on a picnic and then want me to plan. I don't know, what do you even have a fucking picnic at? Okay. Well, some people, some men, they will take the, you know, the expressions of a woman as an opportunity, even a challenge to sort of like rise to, you know, so she may come from the reality that well, if I just say what I want, the man that I'm with, it's going to make it happen. And some men operate that way. Some men don't. Some men are, okay, how do you expect this to happen and how much of this I got to pay for? And what exactly is this going to entail? Have you thought about this? When are you planning on doing this? Do you know what kind of time I have? Do you have any time? You know, I got allergies. I don't even like being outside like that. Bugs be all up in your food. Why would you do that? We can go to a restaurant. So again, you got to have those conversations. You got to find out what person that you're with. Are you even a picnic type? Did she know that if you were or not? I had already told her I'm not the dating type. And she still wanted to date out? She still want to go on a date. And what not? Listen. Did you communicate to her why you're not the dating type? I told her I'm blind. I don't really like going out in public. I got you. Bumping into shit. And I don't trust you like that I just met you. I got you. You know, I'm not used to let alone walking around blind. And you've expressed this to her? Yes. And she still wanted to date? Yes. So she think I'm bullshitting because, you know, I'm moving around so effortlessly. No, totally understand that. Like you've just gotten so good at being able to navigate through life. I got that. And that kind of misrepresent, you know, your challenges. I get it. Trust me. I have my own version of that. So I get it. And keep in mind when you, when you are, it's one thing for the company not to match the Feng Shui, but when it doesn't match the Feng Shui, when you are inside of a unique situation like this, and you get uncomfortable. It's a lot of anxiety come in and then you start to feel. So either, you know, she's willing to be receptive to what you're saying, you know, and be willing to work with you through that. You know, and that takes a lot of, it takes a lot of consideration, a lot of compassion, a lot of care. That I don't think a person would just readily have on tap, especially if y'all don't really know each other, you know. Or I suggest you get out of there, buddy. Yeah. Take your exit. Yeah. Take your exit before you end up somewhere you don't want to be. Stage left. Yeah. And I don't know where I end up, because I can't see where I'm going. Okay. Yeah. I'm Jack Thriller. This has been another excellent segment of love recording the music. So child, I'll see you next time. Or you'll see me. That would be right here. But if more people of the masses knew that your music was just available, they would buy it. Because I buy a lot of stuff, believe it or not, artists that are not considered mainstream or on the radio, when I listen to Apple Music, the moment that I hear a song, because I love music all day long in my house, if I hear something I like, I'd say add that. In Syria, add it to my playlist. I think you did something for me for a record I released. I loved it. From other states. That's the hard part. It was playing in Victoria's Secrets, all type of stuff, but people don't know. So the hard part is me putting out a record on Friday and then Tuesday, some are like, I love you. You can drop something new. That's the hard part to where you have to put it out for you and because you love it. Yeah. But you can't expect that same success, because truthfully you do need a machine, because that's what your audience expects. You can't put out a video shot on an iPhone 4S now, because they're going to think you fell off because of how it looked before when you were here before. Initially. Even though a lot of them, believe it or not, shoot music videos with their phones. Yeah, yeah. Which is dope. I've seen that. That's what's so dope about these younger artists utilizing technology and all these different things. There's an advantage and a disadvantage that we talked about the oversaturation of the market and then how Drake can put out an album and then a month later like, okay, what's next, bro? Like, I remember an album would come out and I might go, okay, I like number three, number five, number eight, and number 12. But then I might have one of them smell my finger moments with a young lady in the car with the pull-out stereo and we was playing number three or number two and I'm like, ooh, I love that record now. Or you might be with one of your girls and she be like, you don't like number seven? Bitch, you need to listen to number seven. See, that's all right. And you're like, oh shit, that is. I do like that. So music could grow on you now. This album came out now next week. Five more albums are coming out. Five more albums. So I don't think that our artists are getting the opportunity for the music to cultivate and people to appreciate it. So there's a lot of great music coming out that you just don't hear. Do you like Fuck Nicker Free? Who is that? Loretta. Oh yeah, that's that new, that artist. S-I-E-E Fuck Nicker Free. That's what I do. The problem is this. And I say this about a lot of music. It's just kids out of smell. Yeah, right. No, that's true. That's true. But the issue I have is this with a lot of new music. Like, all right, I put out a record. Tell them about my penis getting hurt on the dance floor. Oh. And it took a long time. Too close. That's what it's about. That is what that meant. What's the lyrics? Step back, you're dancing kind of close. I feel a little poke coming through on you. That's what she said. That's what she said, yeah. That's what you meant? Yeah. Baby, I was dancing so close. Ain't a good idea. Cause I'm gonna want you now and here. The way that you're shaking on me. Makes me want you so bad. Sexually, oh girl. And how many people do they dance now in the clubs? I don't know. But I know, we was trying to. I did not know you said poke. I thought you said a little more. So I love this moment. The lyrics by R.L. I think you should do one of those with your songs. Where you just totally just acapella doing lyrics. Cause I'm not gonna purposely be like I feel a little poke. I'm doing a TikTok tonight. So if it goes viral. Thank you, thank you. It's because I want people to know that you said there was a poke coming through. And how do you feel about this? I said little though. That is disgusting. I fucking love it. But look, I said little because I got on drugs. Like they be like why you say little? Cause I'm constrained. But they always ask, why did you say that? Boxer breeze. I'm not gonna go that deep when I post it. I'm gonna make it very salacious. And just as disgusting as you were thinking when you wrote it. But fuck make it free. My thing is you want to be able to have your record played everywhere all the time. You know what I mean? So eventually you should have to come up with something else that not necessarily commercial. But has a little less. Cause now how many times you had a record on the radio? And they gotta beep out the certain words. So I think it's a great hood anthem. And it's gonna grow. I hope she blows up and then she'll do like Cardi Cardi. All of a sudden she was straight, you know, with the Bode Black and all that. All of a sudden she came with some records that just took her other places. It became commercial and without disrespect. Pepsi. Pepsi. She was straight Pepsi. Yeah. And I want to see that for all these young artists because corporate America was coming for that. She got everything commercial over there. What? Super bowl all that. You didn't win. Man, yo, I be under a rock. That was back when she did the Bruno Mars song. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. Julian and Michael them over there. That's what you want to see for all these artists. You want to see them get as many bags as possible. Cause I don't know how residual income is going to be now for a lot of artists. I think that we were a lot of, I can't say all, but a lot of our groups for the last of the publishing to where records will be played for a long time because of the attention span of the newer consumer. So they have to go get that corporate money, which is the beauty in the game. But is that still putting them in debt? No, because you just getting a check from a whole different entity. If you get Pepsi money, that has nothing to do with the label. Oh no. Okay. So you mean like the, I thought you meant the labels. Oh no. I'm talking about the artists. They're empowered now. That's the beauty of it. Right. I mean the machines have nothing to do with this other money a lot of times. And that's what's so great. Corporate America is seeing the black consumer is super important now. Oh, absolutely. You know, you used to be Barry Manilow. Now it's Cardi B, which is the beauty of it. So I want to see that for Glorilla. No, that's what you want. You want to see the glow up. No, absolutely. Because I can't listen to it in the car with my kid. Like some of the music you're looking to wait to see if your kid says the, you know, the curse words. You'll be waiting on him to say it. No, because I don't, I'd be wanting to say it. Oh, you want to say it. So I know that my 12 year old wants to say she's fucked, nigga free, but I dare you. So it's like, but don't you want her to be fucking nigga free? No, she's definitely fucking nigga free because she's living under me. So she's going to be fucking nigga free. You know, as far as I'm concerned, but to want to say that. No, I understand that it is what's popping. So it's like, God, mom, you're policing my, you know, my urban connection. Yeah. Yeah. But that's my point about the artist. You want them to have that urban connection, but you also want to see them evolve and not necessarily sell out, but you want them to have more. Yeah. Because again, the industry will spit you out. And if you can have other opportunities, like we call these cats disrespectfully one hit wonders, like Trinidad, like you said, and they find these other lanes to do other things. Look at Rihanna. She had a lot of great records, but now she don't have to. She like, do I want to do an album? She don't even like people asking that question. Right. She's a business woman. So if you're using music as a vehicle to do other things, that's the beauty of how the game is now. So I love that. No, that is dope. Because back when we were coming out with the flavor of love, they boxed you in. And if you tried to step out of that box, then, you know, they kind of cornered you and said, no, we know you for this. Stay over there. Like you had to just do reality TV. What did you want to do? Well, I was, I got into doing my music a little bit. I knew that I had the talent, but you got to. You've been holding back. What it is, is if your audience is really not receiving it the same way, and then the machine, like he said, they're not valuing you. So they, the machine is putting us in this one spot at one time when we were out. It was all about magazines. You gotta remember Smooth Magazine, King. I love Smooth. I forget. Yeah. Black Men Magazine. All of these magazines were out. And so if you were on the cover of these magazines or even on these pages, then that was the thing to do. But yeah, I can sing or I can act or I can dance. You know, I'm creative, but that's what they wanted you to do. I had a record deal for rap first. I was a rapper. I had a record deal offered for Maverick Records as a rapper. And I had to make a decision early on that I want to be a rapper or a singer. And a guy at a studio I worked at who I looked up to was like, yeah, you should probably rap. And I thought that meant he thought I wasn't good enough to be a singer. So I made the decision right then and there. No, I'm going to be a singer then. Just because of the challenge. Oh, you went against the grain. Yeah. I was a rapper. That's why I write songs really fast. Because you got that quick. He writes fast. Really? Oh, yeah. So do you write for other artists? What? A lot. Just in case and anything for Jaheem. That was like such a big song. Yes. He had a couple of them. Jaheem. Then he got Ideal. Luther Usher. Jamie Foxx. Luther. Lloyd. Yup. I got records on a lot of people. My mother again. Are you so humble? No. No. Dance with my father. It was on that album though. It was on that album. Yes, my mother. It was with my father. Are you into politics? I didn't want to say it. You know what? Dance with my mom better. More so now. I remember when I was younger they thought I was going to get into politics before I decided to just focus on music when I was in high school. I remember they had me speak in front of the city with the mayor and things like that. It was something I thought about. But I hate politics because I see... Well, I hate the idea of politics because I see it in the music industry. It's like because you're this and I'm that, we can't agree on something. Even if I agree with you, I can't agree with you. Because we are on separate sides of the aisle. That's why it gets held on me. You mean like the red and the blue? Exactly. So do you have friends who are red? I probably do. They just probably don't say anything. I'm sure there's conservative people because the truth is the more successful you are and the more money you have, in certain instances you have to be conservative because they're really for making money if you have money. But again, I still have people in the hood. Right. So my concern is them. Right. Perfect example when Biden came in, he's talking about we're going to tax you on cash and all that over 600. I'm like don't play with my money nigga. Hold up now. I voted for you baby. Hello. Like don't play. What was that about? Man listen, I was like wait a minute. What are we doing here? Right. Did you think that that was the best move for us though? I'm against bigotry and racism. I really feel like I feel like Trump was in place so that we could see who really was or we could see people for who they are. Because a lot of people came out of the world that you thought was super cool. That you thought was like oh we're cool but he or they just looked at us. Oh he's one of the good ones. You realize wait a minute, this is how you really are? Yeah. Oh damn. So I think some things happen to bring things to light and again we unify whenever there's something like that. I knew Biden was some bullshit. You did? Yeah his politics was just so vague. Hey man I'm going to make sure everybody gets some pussy. I'm going to make sure everybody, you know what I'm saying? The body of my house. I don't blame him. I'm going to tell you this is the messed up part. Same way I get mad when we blame Barack for not doing something. This ain't a dictatorship. These are kings. So what happens is you blame that one dude from like Arkansas and Mississippi, Mitch McConnell, that's his name. Oh my goodness. You got to blame him because what happens is stuff has to go through the Senate and the House and I don't want to go through all the whole They're so divided though. Yeah but what happens is they'll, anything that Barack brought up that he fought for that he wanted to do for us, he's literally on record, on camera like anything he brings, I'm going to shut it down. It's not going to make it through the Senate or the House. And Ted Cruz, all of them. All of them. They were totally against it, just to be against it. And he's doing that to Biden too. And that's why we're fighting like Republicans don't play fear. No. So they want, really we're at the point where like Democrats you need to do it, filibuster, do this, do that. Right. But if we know that. But if we know that, right? Like why are we even going against the grain? Like friends, we just created the inevitable. Let's be honest, we know Trump getting back in the office. He's not. I don't think that's going to happen. But why do you, did you think that we're going against the grain? 100%. I just didn't feel like this whole, this whole, I didn't understand Biden's politics. I didn't understand what he said he was going to actually do. There was nothing that was, that stood out. You just said, if you're black, you should vote for me. No, he had a whole economic plan, a bunch of things. I mean laid out where there's one mansion or mansion Democrat in like Rhode Island or Maine or something to keep voting against him. Like if there's just one Democrat stopping the game. And I really think he's a covert Republican. So people want to blame the figurehead. What I've learned from all of this is don't just vote when it's the presidency. Vote for Senate Congress because that's really what it is. Because that, he doesn't, we can't fully control that. How many of us really do that though? We say that all the time. No, I do, I'm going to be very honest with you. I would go in there and I would, I think lately we've been presented with the lesser of two evils. Yeah. So I would go in there. How long? How long have we been presented with the lesser of two evils? Well, I don't think Barack was an evil. About the last 30 years? No, no, I don't think Barack was evil. I think Barack was a great choice, but you cannot have... No, I think Barack was black. Not only was he black, that was something for us that we were, that was coming. God was giving us that. So we're going to get that. But he actually did his job in my opinion. But if you have... He inspired us. That too. But there are only so many things that he can do with a place that's in disarray. Because before you can start building, if you got sink and sand, you got to first of all stabilize that. You got to get that together before you can start doing the things that make everybody smile. You got to take care of all the things where people didn't smile. So if you got a wreckage that you got to clear out, how do people expect you to start building when there's a wreckage right there? And then people, then the next president takes credit for the things that you fixed. Because it takes years. Like I bet you if we could sit down in a barbecue with Barack, you'd be like, man, those niggas did this. Listen, I tried to do all the shit I could do for you guys. But I promised that Mitch McCullough would fuck her heap. Listen, they're sitting in that house. I try to pass these bills. I promise you. I promise you. I guarantee you sit in the barbecue and play some dominoes and shit, pull out some Boone's farm. But Barack would be like, I promise me, Michelle, we'd be in that White House. And I promise you. He shouldn't do it. I wish he would. He'd get assassinated if that's something like that happened. That's what we have to remember. There's a certain etiquette that we have to keep. I wouldn't definitely. Let's keep it 100. Yeah. If we, they keep talking about these black lives matter. If we were to storm the Capitol, it'd have been mass casualties. I saw this all the time. But when you talk about the rednecks and all these people, like, listen, it's just different. We don't get that pass. Did you see four hours at the Capitol? Uh-uh. Did you ever watch the HBO special, Four Hours at the Capitol? No, I didn't. Oh my goodness. I swear by the time we hit the grass, they would have fired. Yeah. Boom. We would have never been able to storm the Capitol of the United States of America. Not even the ground. We wouldn't have been able to trample the flowers. Right. The way they went in there and totally disrespected the United States of America, our borders, everybody that's in charge of safety and arms, whatever, because you put them, you made them look weak. If anybody wanted to take over our country, that was the time that they would have been able to do it because they went in there and they totally disrespected and nobody stopped them. And you had our government, they were so afraid, they were like putting them in this holding area because those people were marching at the tune and the command of our commander-in-chief. He wasn't, because he was voted out. Yeah, but he was still at the time. He wouldn't concede. He wouldn't concede, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, we were at the mercy of him finally telling them to leave. But then we talk about gas prices, all these things that really happened because there was nothing put in place with Trump, because he was like, oh, COVID is just the kung-fu. It's going to be over. This is nothing as fake. This is, you know, false news, fake media, and all of a sudden all these things and checks that was given out, everybody's like, check, we got to pay all that back. And so people are not thinking of these things and we want to put the blame on somebody we voted for. Wait, so you got a check? How did you get a check? Man, I got a few. I got all of the checks. Oh, yeah, no. You got the right to count the right people. I got one check for like $1,200, but... I got the stimulus. I got the PayPal. I mean, the PPP. I got all the unemployment. And what's crazy is that as artists, we actually were the ones that legitimately voted. We were definitely qualified for those. Right. I don't even know how I got... I didn't ask for nothing. I think everybody was able to get the stimulus. I was speaking on the PPP because I believe I even get the stimulus. A lot of people went to jail. A lot of people went to jail because there was... Man, you should have used my due. You should have told me how to hook you up with my boy. No, you know, they had to ask them to have one of songwriters. Songwriters and people like that had one. And I was like... Even Lena was like, you should write. And I was like, no, I was like, I'd rather people that really needed get it. I'm not saying I'm boiling like that, but I just felt that way. I couldn't ever go back and do... Because I lost friends. You can never borrow enough. No, let me tell you. I had friends who I was actually putting out money. At that time during the pandemic, they told us two weeks. Remember they said kids will be out of school for about two weeks. You know, Trump was like, yeah, this is the Chinese virus. It's not going to stay two weeks out of school. Two weeks became a month and there was an instant panic. And you know... No toilet paper, no sanitizer. It was over. Yes. I had stocked up on Baby Wife, so I was good. Yo, you couldn't even buy those more than one pack at the time. It was really bad. I stayed by myself. I had like, you know what I'm saying? At least 15 packs of Baby Wipes. See, I should have called you. Through the whole... No, don't call me. But no, I wouldn't call for that. I needed them. I needed them. No, we couldn't even buy tissue. But listen, my friends, we were dealing out money to people who may have needed it because it was really bad. People who had good jobs but didn't realize they were living check. Exactly. To check. Because they were used to it coming in so much that... Yes, they did realize that. They were just nigga balling. I didn't think they were... No, no, no. I have a lot. Even people in the industry that have to live off of shows when that shut down. Like, luckily for me, I was blessed enough to have, like I said, publishing. Yeah. So, I understand. There's no ego involved. Like, when you got people around you struggling, like, I always tell people they'd be like, how does it feel to have made it? Listen, my mama still needs things. I ain't made it until I call my mama and say, hey, mom, how was your day today? That's good. Well, you're not doing nothing tomorrow. I ain't did nothing today. Well, you're not doing nothing tomorrow or the next day. Or the next day. Or forever. That's when you feel like you made it. That's when you made it. So, I've done pretty good, but I ain't made it. You're right. I heard Shaq talk about that and, you know, how he's trying... He makes sure he can take care of all of his brothers and sisters. And all the women in his life, too. Yeah. Absolutely. And that was important. So, when you find out later, them same friends that you kind of... They were getting check checks. Yeah. I was like, why you ain't calling me a women? Like, I said, we legitimately are old, them checks. But no, I've seen people, they really went through big money at that time. But I know people in the government that's... I know somebody that's in the government after they're getting that that's getting sued and going to jail. People going to jail for real for real. Y'all remember that when that shit was going on with that... What is Susu? It's like a few minutes. But the audience know Susu. Oh, that game that they were playing... Yeah. Yeah. When she get in the middle, nah, nigga, I'm waiting. Yeah. You got to do that shit like three times, leave it alone. Yeah. Susu though. So that mean when you put up 1500 and you get back 10,000? Was this all on social media? It's kind of like... When you get on social media that mean it's time to get out. Right. I think that's where I saw but you had to be in a group. Yeah, it's like a thing, you got to get to the middle of this thing and then you cash out. I was like, I remember my guy asked me to get into it. Was it real? It was real, but my biggest fear is I'd be that one at the very end. It worked for all of us except you, nigga, out of it or hurt. So there is somebody who has to lose. Oh, it's a lot of people lost. A lot of people lost. I would have never done it. I would have seen them. I would have never done it. Yo, it was supposed to win but you know, there was some actors and shit that was hitting me up about it. There was on hit TV shows. Wait a minute. So this really was a thing thing. What? Yeah. I thought it was more on Facebook. I thought it was, I remember something like this on Facebook. It was everywhere. Yeah, but I didn't think that it became like where we did it. I got offered but I was, unless I don't took so many Ls to the LK Marlin, I was like, uh-uh, that ain't gonna happen, baby. You say not off the suit suit. Yeah. I, like I said, I made it to like $30,000 and I cashed out. They were like, hey, you got to put in another $2,500. Now I'm cool. Wait, you can make $30,000. You do enough games and you getting people come in because people was really believing it and like, oh, I can do that. I just got to work my way to the middle. Man, it's all like like three-core months. If you, if you, I'm from, I'm not from, but I lived in New York where it's the home of the scam. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So I already saw the jokes coming and shit. You know what I'm saying? So I was, I was, when I, when I heard that shit was on, on a, on a like social media. What was the objective? Get to the middle. Get to the middle. So 10 people putting in- Is it lollipop? Like what do you mean? Get to the middle. Yeah, some Tootsie Roll Pops. It was like, it was like, it was like triangles or something that you got to, or diamonds or something you worked your way to the middle. So every time somebody would pay up, or if you're right here, you will move up. So then it's some else to pay up and then you will work your way to the middle. You cash out so then the next person. Whoa. And you would just get in line. Yeah. Get in line. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And so, but the way it works is if you, if you off the rip, pretend like you, like three different niggas. Yup. You got, that's the only way you win. Oh. Off the rip. You got to be three different niggas. To get more people to get in. Yeah. So that's 30, that's like 30 grand right there. Because the 1500 that you put in represents 10. Oh, no, I'm not going for that. I got to give you 1500 to start. You got to get 1500 to start. No. I just want to make money. You can make 10 in the end like this. You make 10 in the end. And then like a week and a... 15. Yes. How long do you guys stay in the game? About a week and a half. Depends on how many people come in the game. Yup. Who lose? I would be the, I'm like... The last niggas lose. The last niggas lose. The last niggas lose. God would have told me, don't do this. I lost. I lost. That's what it would have been. When you hear your stupidest friend talking about the shit, that's when you don't do it. Remember when your stupidest friend got into real estate? Yes. When real estate was blowing the fuck up? Yes. And that's when shit started going bad? Yeah. That's true. But you know what? I'm into real estate though. I mean, I don't sell it, but I would love to actually learn to get my real estate license to a house, especially out here in Atlanta. That's what I've been getting into now. Yeah. I really want to do, you know, real estate. Get my license. That's dope. Do some stuff. 100%. Then do that then. So I'll get six months. I'm going to see him and be like, yo, how do I real estate stuff going? No, for real. Hold me to it. Because I do interior design. And I think that the two together, I could pay myself. I could be, you know, working for myself. There you go. I like what you're doing. Get two checks. I'm going to start just selling candy. Then get a TV show. Then you could be on like HGTV. Listen, because they have so many, and I'm stuck watching them. I don't see a lot of us on there. Exactly. No, I see us, I see you. Like Pharrell, I think we should get this house. But I'll see you, yo, dog, I'm telling you this right here. The urban version of this. It's probably right here. I'm telling you, man, we could flip this right here. I'm telling you, dog, and we can get that. Look, we do that marble right there. Right. I'm telling you. Shannon Crowder, he be doing it. Yo, and shout out to Keanu Watson. Yeah, she's out here in Georgia. And, um, Egypt. Egypt doing it. She's super dope. Yo, so proud. Yes. But see what's funny is, she's from Minnesota. You just gave me a chance. She's from Minnesota. So I knew her since high school. Wow. Yeah, she was like the big sis. She played basketball. Yo, it's money there. Yeah, I'm so proud of her. She won, like, the top real estate agent. Yeah, no, that's dope. They're talking about that. Yeah, 100%, yeah. New city, real estate coming through. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Yo, this shit keep going. I'm going to ask you about the comedians. Okay. And I need your opinion. Monique, Dio. Wait, you said, what's the second one? Two comedians, Monique and Dio. What do you feel about that? Um, I look at it like a domestic dispute and you always know when you jump in a domestic dispute, the person that gets hurt is the person that jumped in it. You ever heard that? You don't ever get in the middle of a domestic dispute. I feel like, if you are paid to talk shit, um, y'all going to be able to talk shit to each other. If I get in the middle of it, I'm not, I can't win. That's what they do. I feel like they'll work through it. They'll work it out. It's disappointing to see because I just made a post on Facebook because my brother does this. He's older than me. He's an OG, but some cats that don't know how to navigate social media be putting all their business on there and saying shit they shouldn't say. And I realize that even if you erase it, it's there forever. And I feel like some people going to these new platforms with this new technology and they use it the wrong way or they over share. Right. And I think certain things you're going to, she's only going there. Hey to my babies. Hey baby. From TL and blah, blah. And now you, now you can't take that back. And then DL goes on there. You know how I feel about that? You know, what really happened was I was a headliner, you know, and then all of a sudden family business is out. Is in the streets. You know what I'm saying? And I know DL does this. He has his own. This is what he does. And I'm just happy to see Monique get her special finally because she won a lawsuit. Yeah. So they settled. So again, I'm not a hate. I want to see everybody win. My favorite saying is I wish you well. I just wish me better. And what's wrong with that? Nothing. So I want to see everybody win. I want to win a little more. Of course. But I want to see all of y'all win. Can they fix that? I hope so. The problem is once it's out and okay, you argue with your man at home. No, nobody know about it. Yeah. You argue with your man at home and you tell your girls all of a sudden everybody's judging your situation. You don't forget. I know. I tell the world on March 1st, hey, my husband is a narcissist and I'm leaving him. Where is my friends at when I said that? I'm here now. But you get what I'm saying though. You can't come back because once stuff is out in the public. Yeah. No, I meant that though. I'm that. But you love him. I do. But people didn't know my husband had already put it out. But what happened? He was out. He left in February. I didn't tell y'all to march. But everybody. He looked like a month is a long time. Yeah. Because anything could happen you could come back. No, no, no, no. You can't. Oh, you wouldn't let him back? No, no, no. You know what? And I just want to make it very clear. I love my husband. I wouldn't have said I do if I didn't. But I think that there is a way. Having a situation to happen to you is one thing. But how you handle a situation is another. So there's a way to leave and there's a way not to leave. But how did he leave? The way not to leave. I wasn't even in the same state. I was working. I was in a whole other state. And you came home and he was gone? Mm-hmm. That happened to me. Oh, my goodness. Yes. I was in Cleveland. How was it? I was on a show. Mm-hmm. I was in the Cleveland on show and then I came back and my ex-wife had took all of her shit and some of my shit and just dipped out. So would you rather be there to watch them leave you? I think that a lot of times when somebody cared about you it's easier to wait till you're not around. So I think that's because they know if they see you. You're a bad guy for it. No, no, no. What happens is this. If I see you crying. Oh, I got it. All your viewers out there. How many times have your significant, this is for my fellas, your lady did something to you and she wrong. But you react and then the situation becomes the way you reacted. You heard her feelings by reacting to some shit. She did. Mm-hmm. But now you react and now you hurt her by your reaction. So now it's about her feelings and not what she did. Well, no. So why? Just why? So what happens is guys, if he's a good guy, if he sees you're hurting even if he's right, he going to try to stay. So sometimes he may be and I ain't make no excuses. Right. But he might have waited for you not to be around because he didn't want to see you hurting. Because that was easier for him. I think that as a man when you're married the responsibility is not to take the easy route. Just to take the right route. No, I'm saying it was easier for him not because it was just easier. It was easier for him because he didn't want to see you hurting. Anything that has the adjective easy in front of it when it comes down to leaving, that's the wrong person. Well, it's never easy. Put it as it is. Put that phone call in front of it. Mm-hmm. Did you say, well, fuck you then. Nigga, take your shit and get the fuck out you bitch. No, I didn't even know what was happening. So I couldn't have. No. I wouldn't have said that. No. What did you say? You know what? I think I was numb. All right. And I was in shock. You do what you got to do? I didn't say anything. I haven't talked nor seen him since February. No, I'm saying like the call when he was saying I'm going to leave. He didn't say that. Oh, because I had a call. No, I didn't get a call. I got a call from my daughter who filmed the things gone and was like mommy and sent it to me. She couldn't call me directly because I was filming a movie. So she didn't want to interrupt me while I was at work. Oh, wow. But I had to find out later and I looked at the video. I know it's huge. That's why but I will say sometimes in hindsight when I look back at situations that didn't work out I can see signs that led to that and I go, okay, I get it. You're right. Not to cut you off but I knew that we were going through the you know the conversation of separation but I felt like there was a way to do it so that we wouldn't bleed on people who didn't cut us and that we wouldn't have you know including our children. We have three daughters and then our fan base our family. We have a in my mind I think that when we took on such a public relationship and a public lifestyle that we had the responsibility of the public. But I don't think that in a different way not as a responsibility of it's like I just think that you need to do you know what you've been in this game a long time so you there's certain things you understand I think that a lot of us whether it's broken homes whether it's trauma from our past I always tell people let go as much baggage as you can because the plane ain't gonna fly that high if you have a lot of baggage but there's baggage you don't even realize in a relationship that's there and if you can't find a way to help them unpack that then things is gonna happen because I have that I have childhood trauma I tried to kill myself my senior in high school there's a bunch of things I've dealt with low self-esteem since I was five so I understand like so when you say he left because he's a coward maybe it's not that he's a coward maybe I didn't say that but somebody must have been thinking that right maybe okay right oh you know you might be right so let me not misquote you because I got you but took the easy way no it was the telekinesis because I was thinking it okay but the easy way it could be a lot deeper than that I think that we don't give each other enough grace or try to look at different perspectives I've learned to do that because I'm not gonna lie being from the Midwest there's two things San Diego all the time and being skeptical being skeptical of everybody you know what and I wish I had that if I was skeptical I probably wouldn't have been married but I think that you're right about the trauma and then I'm gonna definitely ask you about five years old insecurity something had to be but you were a middle child yeah middle child you're a middle child so I know that that plays a part but having an insecurity that you didn't discuss with your wife and having it to play out later on in your marriage that's hard if you didn't discuss it but I didn't there's something you don't go you know I really like you can I tell you about you know the time I try to kill myself the fact that you know the world thinks this about me but I don't necessarily think this like there's some things that come out in time and a lot of times you have to love that person through it all in spite of that's the hard thing that's the hard thing absolutely but you gotta give me that way you don't ever leave no but you don't ever leave I don't think separation is ever the answer man listen every man like I remember my ladies used to be like you always say you're gonna leave that's what every guy says that's how we run we're runners my track she was on right now but do you actually physically leave look at your bitch I'm gonna be right back a lot of times I leave I'm one of my mom out I can deal with that I would leave because I know that I might say some things that I can't take back because that's just what it is have you ever left to hurt her it was a tip for Tat when someone says no I left because I was hurt like no no my husband left because he knew the thing that I wanted the most was him so that would hurt me that's what makes you sleep easier at night because that's probably not true it's deeper I mean he has a but that at the time if that's the case he would have waited for you to come home you're back good to see you baby see that truck out there my shit's in there I'm out so that's not true in my case it was a greater impact for me to oh you're gonna go to work oh you're gonna take a job you're gonna actually go and do that movie job bet you left I'm gonna show you a bigger exit so I went to work and sometimes in relationships and I'm guilty of it too you do this tit for tat would you forbid him from going to work oh he can't make her not but I just did he say that did you know he didn't want you to do that did he know he didn't want you to take the job no he didn't he didn't want him to prefer to but that was in a conversation that was given to me neither was it really given an option to him at that point which is something that I'm learning now that I'm in a stage of being with myself by myself I'm realizing myself as well I know I played a role in it but I do know that this separation wasn't something that I initiated but sometimes when you're strong people who don't feel like they are as strong feel threatened yes so they find that one thing that's so weak or they feel like is your weakness and he's like yo she loved the shit out of me and she knows that she loves me and I know that and even in the midst of it's like a Luther Vendor song I'd rather have hard times with you than good times with someone else so I'd rather have hard times with you that's some bullshit though because I don't want to go hard times I'm done with it I used to say that I'm too old now well again I've met you know I've met him before I know that's why I say you're being a bro that's not even what I'm doing what I want to do is always say okay he not here because if we maybe if you weren't here and he was sitting right here and we was asking questions he might have a whole different perspective and that's what I always think of in situations and things you wouldn't even go you'd be like really? that's it? all you had to do was tell me that a lot of things was communication I definitely know it was sex I definitely know what it was but did I say that a lot I've been drinking but no I know what it was but I didn't feel like it was a fair enough thing what was the sex oh you didn't think what was the sex no and I still don't think that I don't think that what I do think is what you said earlier okay date someone if you're whole date a whore monger or somebody who likes hoes if you are a saint date someone who likes saints no that's not true because people in the church want freaks too no but if you want that then date that that's what my point is so I feel like this you want somebody to hold for you I'm special I'm special so you don't want to be like no no no I'm agreeing with her hold on hold on this is what she's saying Aurel let's see if you can come here if you agree she's saying if you like hoes and whatnot get with somebody they like hoes with you I didn't say that I didn't say that no that's cool no what I'm saying is that if you like if you like someone who's into solace and being living on a reservation or away because they're introvert then you don't want to date someone who's outgoing in a big time social butterfly if that's going to bother you if that's going to be if something that you're being introduced in it'll make you open your mind up and you're open to having to open your mind then that's different isn't it about balance isn't it about balance because I said you want to meet somebody that can introduce you just make sure but not everybody wants balance some people want what they like because now social media dictates so much but when you're older that's the hardest part when you're older that was my fear would have a worry I had a worry of 40 I'm 45 now so when you're setting your ways you have a structure in your life the hardest and most selfless thing to do is to change that and I think that's what marriage that's what kids whatever it is it's hard to unlearn some of these bad habits that people have oh yeah and that's where it comes from I think a lot of our black men they suffer from and black women man come on no but let me say this I'm going to say this but I say it in your defense I think a lot of our black men suffer from narcissistic train of thought because they're conditioned to think that way based on very primitive traditions or things that we were told were supposed to be done like men are not supposed to cry men are not supposed to feel insecure or feel sensitive you're not a cyborg you're a human being with human feelings and you have human emotions and a lot of times we've been raised a certain way so it creates this thing between men and women where we we do things that shouldn't really be done the whole marriage vows I think those are so primitive they should redo them they should be more of what's current because I think that they were definitely for men so what if there's you on my on my page I think that's childish but what I'm saying is truthfully I think some of relationships need to go back to a lot of old fashioned ways my biggest thing with the new generation of women is they want a man like their dad if he was there but aren't half the woman their mom was so it's hard it's a balance there's a lot of things that go on then don't pick that woman if you know that I'm sexy not intentionally just because that's just what I chose to be like I don't think I'm intentionally with me being sexy but I'm a woman and it's okay for me to be there there was a time where it wasn't okay for a woman to be sexy because you were considered a whore a slut you were you were promiscuous you were looking for something I was looking for a cute shirt that had nets on and with the black in the front I wasn't trying to look for dick but because of all of these different you look disappointed Jack I wasn't looking for dick there was a time where that those train of thoughts created a narcissistic mindset can I be honest with you though please a lot of the most secure men in the world would feel insecure being with you that's just what it is that hurts I hear can you tell me this on my wedding day yeah but what I'm saying is a lot of times what that means is you have to overly established the fact that he's the man you have to build him the lack of confidence for a man and this ain't no excuse for no man because I'm not because I see a couple of my homegirls aren't there when you saw me you saw who since the day that I made that my spouse when you saw me you saw him and you saw him and that was the whole reason I am totally build my relationship around him at a point to where instead of being sexy delicious and you probably didn't even notice it's because people have a girl boy named Derek and it was to keep my relevance so that I can keep my marriage because you're still not here you don't understand I'm telling you okay earlier you was like I dated industry people because this blah blah right that's what you said I dated people in my line it was easier it was convenient that's who I was introduced to now for a guy that's quote unquote not really industry that's hard like man I say to get a middle date you're helping guess what you need not wipe up in six weeks delicious he just you did something to him you were sunshine or whatever I'm like put your mom on the phone I never come home I never come home he was locked up for 20 years or some shit even me is like showing me I'm the woman of your nightmares because this is my thing if you don't come it is not my fault if you don't present yourself who you really are but you don't wave your beauty over his head I'm embarrassed my thing is this insecurities will come out eventually from a guy that he didn't even know he had when he dates a certain caliber woman how do you what do you think he didn't know he had it this is no excuse for him it's more of a compliment to you I just want to get that out of the way and what I mean but that is they don't feel like it no I'm just saying like it's not your fault I'm not blaming you for be sexy because that's what I'm talking about I get your points all but for me it's like this if you say to me and I can pull up interviews where I wasn't even present for the interview if a man says to a woman or to an interviewer I love this woman because she's herself I'll never judge her because me being judge I sat in a jail for a crime I never even committed for me just being judged from the outside so I understand what that feels like he's like but I'm in her personal space I know who she is as a mom I'm in her studio audience question too so all of these things were things that were out there and in the open that's why I fell in love with the idea of I could be myself and you recognize the gym in there I got it and then we're gonna go to the audience question but you have to you have to like recognize the trauma that this man is going through and I don't think he would empathetic to the time that he's been away then he comes out out of jail and he's not he's a star it's also overwhelming and it's a whirlwind this guy's head is completely fucked up and has he had therapy for that no never that's what I'm saying I was the wife that said let's go and get that okay and he didn't want to get therapy well no some people don't want to admit being broken and needing therapy okay because some people and I get that I'm even in my state right now I hate to say I suffer from social anxiety and I know that he and I are not together other than work I stay in so I I understand that part of having that anxiety and you don't want people to see you as weak you don't want people to think that you're broken you don't want people to think that you're sad so as a man narcissistic abuse when someone has told you that as a man you got to be strong you can't admit that you were broken saying that you were broken she might ask what happened to you in jail with therapy in our community anyway it's kind of shunned like and it shouldn't happen to me I think we're finally getting to a place where it's opening up which is dope so I understand and so that's what I wanted I wanted that for him because I wanted him and then I wanted even without him even now I wish him all the best I still want that for him because I think that he's a great man do you want it with him do you want it with him can we reconcile you have a ring on right now you got a ring on right now I never take my ring off matter of fact my great friend told me when you go inside you better have that ring and look in so wait which camera look in the camera and tell him I'm just playing no listen and I'll tell you why I'm saying no not because I don't love my husband but because what he needs it can't even come by way of me and that's the role that I played that was wrong I cannot force that change that has to be something that's done for himself at what point do you take the ring off I don't know I let's go to the question in the audience let's go to the question in the audience they came back together no what's your question beautiful oh man I'm disgusted no are you with me no it's a comment and a question for you personal it seems like in a certain aspect your partner can also be Indians of you in some ways where it's like they also want that limelight and they see you bringing that shine and they want to take away from that shine they love you but they want that for themselves and my question to you how did you see that honey it's so transparent to me my question to you is how do you still speak so highly and love someone so much that love the idea of you but couldn't accept the reality of you because that's painful as a woman to see that no listen you about to make me cry this is the first time you about to make me cry no this is the first time I've ever been able to be able to understand that thank you you know what um I'm sorry no it's cool I I I just love him because I think that like he's a good guy and I think that when you think about like Jack said his trauma and what happened to him I'm a mother like I'm a woman first of course but I'm a mother like to my heart so I think of him if I had a son who at 14 snatched off the streets in the park and was accused of raping at that time a white woman had never done anything remotely close to that and did not have the resources the the help or the the money nothing the backing to number one assist him let alone even get him to go home all of those other boys went home Raymond was the one out of the boys who had to sit in a wait trial for over a year because he didn't have the money and even when a group an African-American group to finally back him to give him the bond to go home they found out he was Puerto Rican and gave it to one of the other ones he is so okay I thought that was a per when I think about that he don't have no hair so I'm not sure what you saw but when I think about what he went through and then the idea of those were kids going into jail I have a 12 year old just two years not having your mom all I can imagine is my daughter calling out for her mother and then you have these predators that are looking at them like fresh meat in an environment they were thrown in situations that were like adult and these were kids so I think about all of that trauma and then I'm just like yo that can make a person discombobulate it just naturally because you're trying to close that out but it's not able to just be blocked out you don't have this powerhouse wife who nothing can hurt her and she just knocks it off and that bothers you because it intimidates you it's intimidating because she's powerful she's powerful in her speech she's powerful in her image she's powerful in her talent her faith her family so with all that power and someone who feels so powerless I get that insecurity but I was the wife that said I'm not going to diminish my powers but I'll share them I'll show you that you have your own powers I don't want you to fear my power I don't want that to become something that you're offended by you know what I'm saying because I'm a person too it's powerful as you may see me I'm still human too so to come home to this home in which I felt like we made together and that the world had just started embracing because they saw it was real they saw there was a true heartbeat there and so I was stripped in order to hurt me or to break me or to bring me down to your level of insecurity or whatever you call it that's wrong I don't think that it's fair that hurt people hurt people exactly you know what I'm saying but to answer your question I love him because I always loved him so that wasn't like a light switch he didn't leave and then I turned it off and then it was like so it was just there and until God releases it trust me I wish I could just touch a man and touch a man and just a man and be with a man or whatever it just hasn't come to that point yet eventually I guess it will but no I speak highly of him because I think they deserve it that's dope you know what I'm saying I think that they deserve that you didn't deserve you not the way you speak of him and how you even treat it well I think what it is I think he deserved me he didn't know that that's yeah yeah yeah he didn't know that he deserved me can you snuff his stuff yeah it is and once and that wasn't for me I know Arielle told me well you gotta prove that to him I feel differently about that I felt like when I gave you my hand in marriage I gave you my children people call me a gold digger I definitely dig for gold but in my own backyard I had everything I had prior to him and God willing I will have it after him so that didn't bother me and I don't dig for gold I dig for platinum you know past that I plateaued that so I'm okay with that I want who I'm with to have it cause I got it it sound like you want him back and if I don't have it I know it sound like you want him back yeah but I don't think he was jealous or wanted your limelight cause he's a simple guy but I know what you meant by that he's a simple he seemed like a really simple guy I do think that the extra attention you get and all that he thought he could certain things he thought he could handle it's intimidating it's intimidating it's not even one he thought he could he does want you I'm sure he does it's a lot it's a lot well I don't you guys think I'm a lot for somebody I think that any woman is a lot but then especially in the you bring her somebody in the industry anyway we keep saying he's industry he's not he's not really industry he's not industry see I and when I met him I was in shock cause I treated him like industry when Candy said Raymond Santana want to meet you I was like me that was with my mom he didn't even know he was Raymond Santana though oh he knew he was back then he was very confident he was taking he was taking advantage but that don't mean he knew knew like you know what I'm saying like cause keep in mind why you saying he knew he could have did the same that did the same thing if it was a quote unquote game with with anybody and with everybody that did happen before me that happened the first wife he left her in under a year oh ok never mind yeah but I don't but she wasn't famous so I don't think he was looking for her fame this gives me the idea that that comes up and then that he has underlying issues he hasn't dealt with like you said and he needs to deal with them but it just seemingly cost him a good woman so again all I try to do is be devil's advocate and I try to be a little more understanding to a man's psyche because I know it's hard regular relationships are hard and these aren't regular ones so I even for me I have to have a little extra grace even for my wife because I understand that you know even though it probably does peek his head out the window you know what I mean my insecurities that I've had since the child in my low self esteem probably rears ugly head and we deal with that so yeah but what is it about a great woman that is bad nothing nothing at all I don't understand the intimidation I mean that's the I mean women can have bad moments too yes there we go no you know I love my bad moments let me tell you I love when he used to get irritated me being a wife I was a real wife man from the Midwest too what that means he decided he tried so we clean up that mess and like no turn over grab your lotion maybe tomorrow but I love you no what that means no I would never tell him to grab lotion my point to you is that you don't get to threaten divorce they didn't make it better just now because you don't have sex for two days that's not 48 hours but I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't I don't Don't want your man to do his pick on you in the daytime and then be all over you at night. You gotta forgive me, we're gonna have these moments and whatnot. What's makeup saying? That's what it is. No, that's your horny sex and we are women, we're not. No, that's not true, cause I could be mad at my lady and I'm like, don't touch me, don't touch me. Oh, okay. But that's not. Hey, watch this one. Aurel, Aurel, watch this. Let's play a game called accountability. Okay. What are your weaknesses when it comes to being in a relationship and dating? Leaving me, don't do that. Ah, ah, ah, ah, that's not what I just asked you. But is that a weakness for me abandoning? No, no, what are your weaknesses? What are you accountable for? Yes, what are you accountable for? Oh my God, let me see, I'm gonna give you a few though. If you don't mind. So I believe that my OCD is a problem and I didn't understand that before I thought it was a compliment, but it's an irritation. It irritates to have that. Okay. And it's, I get it now. Okay. I'm spoiled. Okay. That's a problem. Okay. I'm a Capricorn so I'm strong and I'm like, and my job, and I do understand that. Let's go deeper. My job is a damn problem. Let's go deeper. Okay. Come on, let's go deeper. Come on, counselor, Jack. Come on, you're playing with us right now. Those are terrible things. I mean, they're not terrible. But those are things that are real things that could be a problem. Like my job, like you said, that can cause them insecurity unless you, I'm definitely that one that I'll put you in front of the world. That way you don't have to worry or if someone approaches me, that's more so, you know, a- That's easy for you. No, that's a reveal of who they are. But you can't make that a thing of me. If someone comes to me by way of DM, you can say, well, if you want so damn sexy, well, I was that way when you met me, when you dated me, when you proposed and when you married me and when you sucked me off last night. So don't you dare blame me for being good-looking because that man slid into my DM. Tell my, you're deflecting London. I am? Yes. Okay. Let's get right back on with your weaknesses. Oh. My job. When it comes, no, that's not a weakness. I'm talking about- Don't you think that me having a sexy image as a job, me having to host parties, going bookings, I'm co-hosting with a gentleman. Do you think that that could play a role in a man having an insecurity? I think that what happens is habits have to, hey to say, habits have to be formed and what I mean by that is insecurities are gonna, in any relationship. So it's just magnified when you're in the limelight or you're in the industry. So for me, I will go, okay, I'm gonna hit you before the show. I'm gonna hit you when I'm in a room taking my wardrobe off, getting ready to go to sleep. Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. There are certain things that you- That's so low. Yeah, no, there's no one. There are certain things you have to do. I'll really do that. I'll really do that. I'll really do that. I mean, you have to. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm gonna be sucking someone off while you're making all those calls. But I'm just saying. Jesus Christ. No, it really does happen. I've seen that. No, no, I'm not, I believe you. I'm with you. I tell you believe me. And that's his fear. That's the thing that you just proved my point though. Actually, these things could still be happening if you're calling. No, absolutely. I guess who traveled for a living at some point more than me. I made sure that during that time to cover my marriage, that all of my ambassadorships took place under my roof. I built my makeup studio. I built my film studio. I built him a man cave. I did everything that I could to secure it. During the pandemic, I never left my house unless I went to the gym or the grocery store. And even when I- I'm not saying this should be like that. See, my point isn't that he's right. I'm not saying this right. I'm saying that there are certain safety procedures. Excuse me, guys. You have to put in place. Excuse me, guys. To make somebody feel more secure. I'm controlling. You are? I'm controlling. Why? I like to be in control. I like that. I'm not in way though. I know what's going to happen. When it's going to happen, I need transparency all the time. I need to, what else? Some things that could be a fault of my mind. I'm demanding. I'm super demanding. Oh, see, and I may be demanding, but I think I demanded things that should be. In my mind, I think things should be. And we all are though. Let's see. We all think what we think is right. Do you think that trash should be taken out? What do you mean? See, sounds like it's just common sense thing for you, right? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Talk about how you were raised. Again, we have things that we do a certain way, and we buy these issues in relationships. Am I doing an institution? I'm not even going to use that as an excuse. It might not even be that. It might even be where he was raised in New York, or how his family did these things. So we don't know. And again, it's an excuse for anybody, but whenever you're going in a relationship, I always say you're dating that person, you're dating how they were raised, you're dating their bad habits, and that's a big thing. And if you don't know, I think it's unfair if a man hits you with a representative or a woman, if you're not giving the real, then how do you expect this person to actually connect to you? If you don't give me what you've really been through, and I get it, it's not coffee table talk to say, listen, this happened to me when I was younger, and this that and the other. But eventually, if you're presenting yourself as yourself, and you want this person to be actually authentically attracted to you, then it shouldn't be a problem. But if you're only presenting what you think I'm going to like, and then later you start to reveal yourself and you force it upon me. Hold on, when Drew Hill was here earlier, you said a lot of me. Like we was talking about, you said a lot to me. What were we talking about then? We was talking about music, the music today, and the young guys being straightforward and transparent. Oh no, they were too aggressive. Like, no, you don't have to be aggressive. But then the guy, but then Drew Hill has all these songs, they really saying the same thing the young kids are saying. It's been more creative. But they just being more creative. And R.L. is teaching me to do one of my biggest regrets in life. And I was talking to my brother about this earlier today. I don't be lying. Why should you? I don't lie to women. And I feel like a lot of times I have gotten myself in more trouble by being 100 with people that's not what it is. No, we talked about this. That's not what it is. No, you're not filtered. That's different. No, that's not even, no, what it is is I told him, it's like, she's my language, but there's a difference between saying, suck my dick in, I want you to taste me. You're saying the same thing. You're not using a filter. And you just have to figure out the same creativity you put in your comedy and a lot of things you do, you gotta put that in your vocabulary. That's all it is. It's about saying the same thing, but saying it a little more subtle. Yeah, it's like the F-R-E-E, fuck nigga free. Exactly. I think they're gonna get her to be able to express herself and have all of that that she has on her with a more commercial sound so that she can actually appeal to the masses. So that's the same thing with you, but I also say that if that's the type of woman that you want, or that's the exchange that you wanna be able to give to your woman, then approach women like that, that way the ones who don't wanna hear that shit will phase out. And then there's gonna be somebody- OJ, OJ, you're so funny, you crazy, come here. Boom. Right, you're gonna have somebody- I love you. No, that do happen, but I'm talking about the ones you didn't wasted your time with being 100. Well, it's not wasted time, it's a learning experience. I never look at any of it as a waste of time. Well, I mean- That's true. Yeah, so you don't ever feel like you've wasted your time before? Or somebody's wasted your time? The last three years of my goddamn life. No, I don't feel like I would. You know what I'm saying? No, this has become a mirror though. See what I'm saying? No, it's become a mirror for me because- It's so confusing. There's no wrong way to eat a Reese's. Because it's so big and you can look at yourself in, I'm just glad. No, not this. No, it's become a mirror because God has forced me into this hole of a place where I don't wanna call it a hole, or forgive me, but I'm in a space now where I won't let anybody else in and I guess it's because God wants me to deal with me. I want you to see what being in COVID is like. It ain't cause you're still married, really. Yeah, but it's like he wants me to get a taste of me. No, but you get what I'm saying? Why would you not undertake that? That's your shield, really. That's your reminder. This is? That's your shield. That's your reminder. What you gonna do? This guy gonna walk up to you. What's up, baby? You all hot? Oh yeah, never mind. Like that's your reminder. I mean, to be honest. You know what? Like men, guys are asking for my number now. I need to talk about that. I'm talking about you look at it, and you like, oh hey. That's fine. Never mind. I just can't do this yet. I'm not ready. I got you. No, no, no. How do I pull up out of that? Who says you should? Maybe this is, you said God has you in a certain place. Maybe there's a reason for that. Okay, but I don't think that. I'm gonna ask my girlfriend out in the audience. I don't think God got me in this place necessarily before. You focused on it. I bet you've gotten more accomplished professionally right now, because you focused then in a long time. That's the truth. And that's what I'm saying. So what it is, is if God put you in a box where it's all mirrors. Okay. Who you gonna look at? Yourself. You can only look at yourself. So instead of me now looking to blame, it gives me a position to be able to, you know, address my role, that accountability, to see where I could have, even if it's not about that relationship, just in life in general. And just be better. Yeah, just be better. You know, just grow from this. Just find a way to not see the glass half empty. Cause, oh, if you'd ask me in February, March. That means you come a long way. So that means if it is somebody new when it's time, you'll be even more ready. And they'll get the know and prove. That's when I'll take this off. Yeah. There you go. Got it, got it. Hey, look here. Yeah, you're not in a relationship, that's what it is. This a man, motherfucker. You came and did my therapy. No, not me. That's my lady, not me. We got a lot of work to do. We got a lot of work to do. And we got a lot of time to do it in. We got a lot more episodes, you know what I'm saying? Coming you guys. I'll be back, I'll be back. Come on, this is gonna be a regular thing. You know, is there anything that y'all want to say to the audience, man, before we get out of here today? Cause like you just said, you know, this is the first of many conversations and stuff. All I did feel like we re-grew a lot. Yo, I did like for real. This was like dope. I swear it was like therapy. I'm trying to be on the Jacksonian Hall show. You know what I'm saying? Listen, it was just, that was perfect. I appreciate you. I appreciate you as well. I just am honored to be here. I was glad that this was about just a conversation. This didn't feel, this ain't an interview. This was just us chopping it up. And that's what it's supposed to be about. And I told you, people are gonna be comfortable with you cause you're authentic, you're real, you're funny as hell, but besides that you're a good person and people can feel that. And you're just icing on the cake because you're good people as well and you're transparent. So, man, thank y'all for having me. Thank y'all behind the scenes, you know what I'm saying? Airbrush, you know, right here for me. You know, I'm just playing, but thank y'all, man. Yo, what you doing to say something wrong? No, I just wanna say, hey, look me up. I am so delicious. I-A-M-S-O-D-E-E-L-I-S-H-I-S. She ain't hard to find. Hey, man, like I always say, you just can't say you're real or something, you gotta be. Hey, tune in next time, man. New Jack through the city. We'll see you later. Hey, y'all go to commercial. Do y'all something in mind? Nah. Take us out. I wonder if she can tell I'm hard right now. Hey, that was a good take out.