 I guess the main role of captain really is about just trying to keep the ship steady and on course. When I took over the role, I was kind of a little bit daunted thinking, you know, that you've got to be the best at everything, but in some ways it's similar to like the role of a captain of a footy club really. You're just trying to make sure that everyone in the field knows what they're doing. Even though operationally firefighting is a lot about getting out there and getting your hands dirty and all that kind of stuff, as a captain really you're just trying to coordinate and make sure that people are up to the task. Knowing how to work with people and understand people as a really important role I think as captain. There's that old saying about the more you put in the more you get out and certainly I've had that experience. Bottom line for me though is I'm kind of driven by I want to make our brigade the best it can be and so that kind of motivates me to look at all the things that we can do to improve and you know and become a better group. Being involved with any community group, emergency service group, there's nothing but upsides. You're learning incredible skills, you're working in a great team. I think you can't go wrong.