 Success. How about you? Praise the Lord. Shall we pray? Father, we want to say thank you for everything you have done for us who will turn all that glory to you. Thank you for the gift of life. Thank you because many are called but few are chosen. Thank you for choosing us. Thank you for the school management. Thank you for all our lecturers. Thank you Lord for the strength for all the students despite the various time and time zone. Thank you because you are wonderful God. Father, we ask for your mercy in every area for a shortcoming and we ask for your grace. Father, we ask for the grace to take us to the end. We ask you, Father, that when you come, Father, we will be rightful with you. Thank you Lord because you have done it all. Thank you because this lecture has begun. We begin with you and we end with you and you continue with us. Father, we ask for a tentative memory. The Bible says, thou shalt be the hearer and doers of your world. Father, please, may we be hearers and doers of your world in the name of Jesus Christ. Thank you because you have answered our prayer. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Success. Yes. So today we will continue with our study on deliverance. In the last class, we had many practical insights with regard to ministering deliverance to an oppressed person and then we said that generally we notice Jesus ministering in one step to a demonized person or a demon possessed person. By faith, he commands, takes authority, commands the demons to leave and that's how it was done and the person is set free and we must always aim for that and usually when it comes to also like a public setting where we are ministering on a stage, we have done a session and now there are people, we are praying for the people. It would be, we might have time just enough for this kind of an approach where we take authority in Jesus' name, we command those demonic spirits to leave the people and then we see them set free. So one step approach. However, in practicality, we do notice that every deliverance is not, it doesn't end up being a one step event. So there is a process that sort of seems to take place. So we have someone by the name of Pablo Botari who was a part of the tent ministries of an individual called Carlos Anacondia. He used to hold crusades in Argentina. Now Pablo Botari was working with him and the responsibility which he had was to supervise the deliverance ministry. Now obviously when they had crusades, thousands of people would come in for these crusades and he has supervised at least 30,000 such deliverances and therefore what he did was from his observation, he came up with a 10 step deliverance model. It is also called as the Pablo Botari deliverance model and he writes about this in Pablo Botari, Free in Christ. So you could, if you have, it was published in 2000, if you can get a hold of the book, you could go through it in a detailed way and his objective in writing this is that one could lead people into deliverance in the most quiet, quick and effective way because when they know these steps then they could avoid wasting a lot of time, they could avoid a long process of bringing freedom to somebody who is oppressed. So there are 10 steps that are spoken of by him. We will also go through all these 10 steps. So some presuppositions or some things that he wants us to understand before we get into these 10 steps. One is that we are ministering to the person and not the demon. So we will communicate with the demon here and there. We will command the demon but then whenever we are involved in deliverance, we must remember that this whole thing, this whole process is for the sake of the person. So never lose sight of the person. Here is a child of God. Here is a person created in God's image who is being oppressed by the devil. I want to bring freedom. As success said, he said his church is called City of Liberty and it is for the people, Christ died for the people. So we are motivated by love and never lose sight of the main objective, that is this person must be set free. So it is not about the demon, it is about the person. Then our focus is authority and I told us even in the last sessions that authority can be quiet or it need not be loud and confusing. So our focus is the use of our authority and not necessarily something like a wrestling match or something that is loud and entertaining, not at all necessary. So use of our authority, it can also happen in a very quiet way, it can happen in a very quick way and it can happen in an unnoticeable way even. But the focus is the use of our authority. Then we also recognize that deliverance is not a one-off thing where hey, the person is delivered over. I have done my part but counseling, bringing key truth to the individual is also of utmost importance because we will help the person learn the truth, we will help the person walk in the truth of God and therefore the person can continue to live free from what he has been delivered off. So counseling is also important. So we recognize that hey, it's not over just by evicting the demon spirit out of the person. Then we must also understand that closing entry points is very important in deliverance. Otherwise it's like you have a pipe which is connected to draw water from the tank. Now if the pipe has, it's a good pipe and everything and there is a blockage in the pipe, maybe some mud has gotten into the pipe. So you cleared out the mud. Great. But what if you know there are these holes from where the mud is coming in and you never really fixed the holes. So once you cleared out the mud again, in a matter of two weeks, again you have to clear out the mud because you know the mud is coming in through those holes. Now real solution to the blockage issue is one is you cleared the mud but you also fix the holes so that you don't have a recurring issue. Same thing in deliverance. We evicted the spirit but if there are entry points or we use the term open doors, what will happen? Same issue, recurrence, recurrence, recurrence, okay. Because we have not shut the open doors. So we have to take care of the open doors and so for us we need that understanding. So though we see these, you know, some deliverance sessions, the pastor comes or the leader comes, they cast out the spirit, it's all very dramatic. You watch it and you go, wow, this person is now free but it goes without saying that the doors need to be shut. Otherwise, the same issue will recur and the person will come back with problems. Okay, then it is not always necessary to have a dramatic manifestation. So I already said that the model is for a quiet, quick and effective way of ministering deliverance. So we should not always look for, I'm going in for deliverance. So the longer it is, the louder it is, people will have more faith in God if they see all this, not required. It can be done in a very quick way. Okay, and maybe somebody came, you prayed, the person was set free like almost immediately. Great, that would be the best way of ministering deliverance to somebody if don't have to really drag it. So we have understanding on all these matters. We are ministering to the person. We are focusing on using the authority that God has given us. We do recognize that the person might need counseling after ministering. We have to ensure that the entry points or the open doors are shut and it's not required to have a dramatic manifestation. We can minister very quickly to the person. So having this understanding, there are these 10 points that have been put down by Pablo Botari. We will first look at the these 10 points and then we will discuss them. Okay, so one is give the individual priority. So very clear. Then if a spirit manifests, bring it under submission in Jesus name. Then establish and maintain communication with the individual. Moving on. Step four, ask the individual what he or she wants to be free from and try to make sure he or she really wants to get free. Then make sure the individual understands to make Jesus Christ Lord and Savior. Then interview the individual to identify root cause and entry points. Lead the individual in closing these doors to the admission of spirits. When all doors are closed cast out the unclean spirit or spirits. Then nine, lead the individual in a prayer of praise and thanksgiving. Ten, have the individual ask the Holy Spirit to fill him or her. When done, provide post ministry suggestions. So this is what Pablo Botari came up with. After those thousands of deliverances and you know if we can follow this in order, it will be helpful. Okay, but some steps can be omitted. If the person is already a believer, then four and five, you know it kind of goes without saying does the person want to be free. We assume that you know they know that they are oppressed and they want to be set free. They know that it's available in Christ Jesus and you don't really need to make them pray a prayer of salvation because they're already saved. So steps four and five will not be relevant in such a situation. And in a situation where a spirit is not manifesting, you don't have to take authority over the spirit and ask that person, you know the spirit to be quiet or in submission. So then you omit step two. And in cases where we said that somebody can be manifesting full time and they could be completely taken over. You remember we talked about the person in Gadara that Jesus ministered to. He was ruled by the spirits. He did not have a mind of his own and therefore where is the question of establishing and maintaining communication? It's like insanity. So the mental faculties of the individual are no longer in use. In such a case, you just take authority and move. There's no need to try and establish communication with the person because you know that you're dealing with a demon spirit directly. So things like that. So some of these steps you will need to think if it applies in your particular situation. Okay, so now let us go ahead and try and understand these steps. Since we have in the last class, I think I was quite elaborate. So you know, I may not explain so much in today's class. Okay, but then just enough for us to use these steps. Now let me instead of using the term steps, call them guidelines because now depending on what's happening, you know, sometimes you begin with step one and then you know, here you go ministering to the person and then suddenly somewhere the spirit starts manifesting. Then you have to do step two, you know, you have to bring the spirit under submission in the name of Jesus. So the steps can may go in a different order, but the guidelines remain the same. So you can also look at it as guidelines. Don't get too hard and fast about, oh, did I do step one? Did I do step two? It's just for our convenience and to help us be successful in the the deliverance ministry. And also, you know, remember, possession is a term that we use for an unbeliever, but demonized is the right term which is used for a believer because a believer can never be possessed by a demon spirit. A believer is already possessed by the Holy Spirit. Okay, so these are some things that we have in place. Now let's get into point one, or step one, guideline one, give the individual priority. Okay. And in the last class, I already said that though we are angry with the demon spirit, we are loving towards the person. So never mix that up because what can happen is we get so angry that, you know, seeing the manifestations and sometimes the spirits tend to, you know, taunt us and say accusatory things. So while ministering, if we are going to move with that anger, you know, we might show it on the person, but it's not the person who's doing all these things. We should carry a militant attitude, but that militant attitude is towards the demon. But what is our attitude towards the person loving attitude? We want to be loving towards the person. So the tone of the individual ministry can change. You know, when you're speaking to the person, you might say, Brother, how are you feeling? Are you okay? Can I continue to pray? Brother, can you hear me? You know, Brother, God is for you. God will set you free. So what am I doing? You know, I'm speaking to the person, okay? And I'm speaking to the individual. I'm reassuring them. I can be encouraging towards them and say, okay, you know, don't be discouraged. I'm going to pray for you. You know, this is what the Bible says. Maybe I want to read some passages of scripture to that person and raise their hope that Jesus is a deliverer. Put your trust in him. You will be free from what is going on in your life. So what am I doing? You know, I'm ministering to the individual. My intention is to lovingly set this person free. Now, while I'm doing that, I might be firm towards the demon spirit. You know, there might be a point in the delivery where I say in Jesus' name, I command you. So then while my tone is changing for who? How I'm speaking to the demon. Now, if the person is conscious, I might want to tell him or her that, you know, you know, brother, I will be taking authority over this demon. I will be rebuke this demon. So, you know, you're making it very clear. God is for you. I am for you. Be hopeful. But we are after this devil. We will get this devil out. Okay. So give priority to the individual and also recognize that, you know, the person needs faith. They've been through a lot. Discouragement must be enough and more in there. Maybe earlier, people have tried to pray for them and people have tried to cast out the demon and don't know what kind of experiences they have gone through. Because sometimes people, I mean, I've observed these practices in the Christian circles, shaking the person, hitting the person, all kinds of things. We don't know what this person has been through earlier and not been delivered. So they might come to us with a lot of fear and a lot of, you know, hesitation. And they might wonder what are these people going to do? Because the person is real, the individual. And so, when I go in for ministry, I must recognize, hey, I'm here to be loving towards the person. I'm here to build faith in this person, okay, not to create more fear and, you know, a sense of doubt. No, I'm not here for that. So be reassuring, be reassuring, be encouraging. They might also tell you, oh, pastor or brother, four people prayed for me. They prayed for, you know, three hours at a time. This happened, that happened. But you encourage them. You tell them, no, you continue to have faith in Jesus. This is what God's word says. And, you know, God will, Jesus will set you free. And also another thing is, don't try to make the demon look big. And sometimes we believers do that. Oh, that demon, you know, oh, this, this is a tough demon brother, but don't worry, I'll pray for you. You know, or, oh, this is a very stubborn demon brother. But don't worry, I'll pray for you. You know, you make the demon look big. What will happen to the faith of that person? Obviously, you know, the full tank will just empty like that. So be very careful, you're ministering to a human being. Their faith is important. So don't make the demon look big, make God look big. Speak to the person, give priority to the person, be loving towards the person that is step one, step two. And also, you know, class, you can stop me at any point if you want to share your experience or anything, you know, just feel free. Okay, I'm going to continue. Step two here. Okay, now we have spoken faith. You are ready. The person is ready. Okay. Now, sometimes what happens, you know, the moment you're going into the delivery, deliverance, the spirit may try to revolt. And, you know, the way demon spirit spoke to Jesus and said, Jesus, you know, why have you come here? Have you come to, you know, have you come to whatever put an end to us? Our time has not yet come. So they don't want to go. So then they will try and make it difficult. So the moment you start praying, the manifestation may start in some way or the other, they might say something or start doing something. So, you know, they are moving their hands and they are acting a weird way and all. That is manifestation. So the moment there is any such manifestation, we take authority over the spirit. So what do we tell the spirit? You can just tell the spirit submit in the name of Jesus or the way Jesus said, be quiet, be quiet, you issue a command. Okay, now that you have already spoken to the person and you have kind of, you know, lovingly told them the person will understand they won't get scared or you just know this pastor was so kind and you know, suddenly he's like, be quiet. Like what, what is he's trying to do? So now that you have clarified to the individual that, hey, I am going to take authority against the spirit, that person also will be fine. They'll be like, okay, okay, I know what this pastor is doing. So, you know, we issue a command to the demon spirit because, you know, we wanted to stop manifesting. Okay, maybe at that time, if necessary, you can tell the person, you can tell the conscious individual, hey, I'm going to speak to the demon spirit now and then you issue a command and say, be quiet in Jesus name or, you know, I take authority over you, submit in the name of Jesus. So, you know, for us, we want everything to happen the way it happened with Jesus and that's the goal. You know, I say one word, mountain, we removed and then you look, there's no mountain. That's how we wanted to work. But sometimes what happens, now there can be many reasons why, you know, it is so. We say once, but the spirit doesn't submit. We say twice, the spirit doesn't submit. But we may have to persist, okay, because sometimes the demons also will try to test us, but we keep doing it. We keep at it. We say, hey, repeat, repeat your command, repeat your command till such time that the demon spirit comes under subjection. Okay, so sometimes what happens, people become discouraged by what happened, why I'm saying that it's not happening, you know, but don't get discouraged. This is how it is. And I told us in the last few classes that deliverance ministries testify to this, some deliverances take long. Okay, is it normal? Yeah, I mean, it's happening that way. So, it's okay. It's okay. If a certain deliverance is taking longer than what you expected, don't feel bad. It's all right. Keep taking authority, keep issuing the command. Don't be surprised by it. Okay, so after having, you know, several commands at some point, the demon spirit comes under subjection. Okay. Also, we talked about team ministry, isn't it? So, team ministry or let's say we are ministering and then there are other believers there with us, they're not necessarily in our team. But while issuing commands, you just observe, you just observe the dynamics of the gathering. You could just let the other people know, you know, don't like, you know, just let me do this. I'm talking to this person and taking authority over the spirit, you all just stand. Otherwise, what happens? People also come charging. They want to hold the manifesting person and they want to do all these things. You just tell them, no, you just be where you are. Let me minister. Okay. People may want to touch or people also may want to start commanding or praying loudly over the person. So, but you can just instruct all of them and say, hey, wait a minute. No, I'm doing this. So let me do this fully. Okay. So, the point of step two is we want to quiet, quiet in the situation. Okay. So, as I told us earlier, Pablo Botari's model is quiet, quick, effective, deliverance. That's our aim. So, we don't want too much of a drama here. We will make sure we take authority. Once the spirit comes under subjection, submission, it's a little easier. So, then we can focus on other things and have the spirit evicted. So, bring the spirit under submission. Now, moving on to the third step. Third step is establish and maintain communication with the individual. I already said that. So, whenever required, we talk to the person. So, you might talk in between. So, your tone is changing. Like, I take authority over you in the name of Jesus. Okay, brother, how are you doing? Are you feeling fine? Do you want to sit down? So, I'm actually speaking to the person. Reason is, see, for deliverance to be successful, the person has to be cooperative. Deliverance cannot be effective if the individual is uncooperative. You know, the individual's will is very important. So, if the individual doesn't want to be free, I can use Pablo Botari model, this model, that model. But there's no point. There's really no point because as an act of will, the individual is giving permission to the spirit. So, what will happen? The spirit will not come out. Even if the spirit comes out for some reason, it'll go back. So, what is the use of spending this kind of time without the will of the individual? And that is why for us to speak to the person, to have the cooperation of the person, you know, all that is very, very crucial. So, keep talking to the person. You can ask them if they can hear us. Now, in the case of, you know, like demonization, you know, like a high degree of demonization, where the demon has taken charge of all the faculties, sometimes you talk to people who are demon possessed or sorry, demonized and you say, brother, look at me. You know, look at me. They will not even look at you because and especially in those times when they don't want to make eye contact, you can completely understand that, you know, you're going there with the authority in Christ and the demon does not want to look at you. Okay. So, this person is demonized very clearly because just a while ago, the individual was talking to you now when you're saying, you know, look at me, look at me. They don't even want to make eye contact. So, it's quite clear that the demon is taking charge and doing, you know, whatever it means. But what are you doing? You're trying to establish communication. But when you notice that you're no longer able to establish communication, huh, now you're full fledged dealing with demon, demon is manifesting. Okay. So, you know, I have to move in authority. That part of the ministry has to come out now because we have to get rid of this demon spirit. Yeah. So, we might need some, you know, commands every now and then to establish even to the demon spirit. For me, I want to talk to the person, but the demon spirit might speak. So, at that time, I have to issue command and say, no, you be quiet. And then I talk to the person. So, you know, you, we have to be switching between that but maintaining our communication with the individual. So, in some instances, it might be difficult to establish communication when the demon spirit has completely taken over. You might find that their head is down and you're talking to them, talking to them. They're not looking at us at all. So, in those moments, you can't establish communication with the individual. Okay. So, if you want, you can still speak to the individual and you say, brother, don't worry, you know, I'm going to pray for you because you know that there is the person also, whereas it is the demon which has now taken charge. Now, that person may not be able to talk back to us because the demon has fully taken charge. But as far as we are concerned, we just move with authority. Okay. Now it's time to deal with the demon completely. So, that's the thing. Third one is maintain, establish and maintain communication. If you're not able to maintain communication, then, you know, then you work on the demon to get it out. Fine. Fourth, coming to step four here. Okay. Is everyone doing okay? Are you learning something? If you can put something on the chat. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. Okay. You're getting something. Great. Great. All right. Let's move forward. Okay. Step four here. Now, ask the individual what he or she wants to be free from. Now, we very clearly know that the person's will is most important. So, now if the person wants to be free, it's like your workers have done because they will cooperate when we pray with them, you know, they will be ready to renounce any sins and, you know, repent, repent of things. So, that way, what will happen? The legal rights which the demon has in the life of this person, they are broken. And so, when we issue a command and later on we say, okay, come out in Jesus' name. But there's no legal access. There is no option. The demon has to come out. So, individual wanting to be free is the most important thing. So, we ask them, okay, brother, what's happening? So, they might share with you. They might say, oh, you know, I really want to live holy for God. But then, you know, it's beyond my control. I have developed these habits and I'm just not happy about these habits. I want to be set free. You know, I want to be holy and I want to be righteous before God. So, they will explain and they will know the areas where they are oppressed. So, then we ask them, okay, okay, come on. You know, tell me, what do you want to be free of? So, if they are able to spell those things out, that is very, very helpful. Yeah. Now, sometimes what might happen? When you ask them the question, do you want to be, what do you want to be free of? The person may not have a clue. Okay. So, in that situation, they know something is wrong, but they don't know exactly what it is. So, in such a situation, what do we do? We can talk to them. We can pray with them. We can pray with them. And then, you know, slowly they begin to recognize, you know what, actually, I was not like that. But now, every time I speak, I am lying. I don't know why it's happened to me. So, they might be able to recognize, you know, what is it that has changed in their behavior or what sinful pattern has, you know, emerged in their life. So, one is, someone already knows and they tell us, I want to be free of this, but somebody may not know. So, for such a person, we can pray with them. And when they recognize, you know, then it's helpful for us to then, you know, say, okay, come on, you know, let's pray. Then we also, you know, try to find out if there are any bondages that they want to be free from. So, you know, again, all this will just take some time of talking with the person. So, in between ministry, I don't know if you have noticed in any deliverance ministries, sometimes the pastor is praying, praying, and we have the gifts of the Spirit operating, where we don't have to ask anything to the person, you know, the Holy Spirit will reveal this is the problem, go after that, then you're doing it. And then the minister themselves ask, are you wearing a, you know, are you wearing an anklet by the gifts of the Spirit? Okay, then would you be willing to remove it? So then the person says, yes, they pray with them, they remove it. And they say, okay, come out in Jesus name and the demon comes out. But many a time, you would notice that it's not that smooth. In between the ministry time, the minister wants to sit down and talk with the individual. Okay, I have seen a lot of that. Where it's not as simple or as straightforward as just issuing commands, issuing commands, and then you know, you're through with the ministry. But in between, we may need to sit down and talk to the person because we have to understand all this, what do you want to be free of, then help them recognize it? Are there any bondages? Okay. Then, you know, you talk to them and you say that, do you know that God's word says that Jesus can set you free from all these bondages and all. Now they have to come to a place where they say, yes, I want to be free. I do understand that Jesus can set me free, brother or pastor, can you pray for me? Now, if the person comes to that state of mind, then you continue. Sometimes what might happen is the person might say, okay, actually, I don't mind, you know, whatever's happening. I don't, they'll say, I don't know. I don't know. At step four, they'll say, I don't know. So then it's best to just stop, you know, your ministry and take time to speak God's word, pray with them. Till they come to a place where from their heart, they say, yeah, I want to be free. Please pray for me. So it's important. Now if the person says, you know, I don't know or if they say, I don't want very clear cut, stop. Don't try to minister any further. Okay. I know it's hard for us to accept it. But then there's no point because the person doesn't want to be free. If they say, I don't know, maybe, you know, they're not completely demonized and in a condition where they will harm themselves. You can always tell them, okay, you know, here's a book, you take it, you go read it. How about we meet tomorrow? If you have any questions, you ask me. So you're just helping the person come to a decision that they want to be free. Then again, you start off, you know, you can continue step five. But at step four, we have to decide, should I go further or not? Because if the person is not willing, there is no use taking them through the entire process of ministry. Okay. So that is what step four is all about. Basically to know whether what they want to be free of and whether they want to be free of the demon spirit. Now, coming to step five, make sure that the individual understands to make Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior. Okay. As we have seen in Matthew 12, what did we see? We saw that the Jesus cast out the spirit, demon spirit by the Holy Spirit. And then the demon spirit, Matthew 12, verses 43 through 45, the demon spirit goes through added places seeking the rest and doesn't find it. And then, you know, it decides to go back to its house. You know, they are disembodied spirits. They're looking for a place of habitation. And generally for demon spirits, they want, they like familiarity. They want to go back to where they were earlier. So what, what, what do they do? Try to go back to the same person. Okay. Now, if the person is not a believer, if the person is not a believer in that passage, you know, we see that the demon spirit arrives back, you know, and then it sees the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. So unoccupied is what? Unoccupied is, there is no other spirit dwelling in the person. If the Holy Spirit is in us, demon spirits cannot replace the Holy Spirit. So which is why it is very important, don't leave the house unoccupied. It must be occupied and occupied by the right spirit. And that is the Holy Spirit. When does the Holy Spirit come to dwell inside us, when we become a believer, when we are saved, you know, when we are born again. And that is the reason, you know, it is in the middle of the ministry, don't go any further when we understand, oh, this person is not a believer. So then you begin to share with them, you know, Jesus died to set you free. And this is how Jesus loves you. Would you, you know, and God wants you to live a, live a holy life. You cannot do it on your own. You need God's forgiveness. You need his empowering. Are you willing to pray with me? You know, you lead them through a prayer of salvation. So when we do that, it's very helpful because post-deliverance, what we said, the unoccupied home, house, it's very dangerous because the demon will come back and the demon will come back. We read that comes back with seven other spirits more wicked than itself. And then, you know, scripture itself says and the final condition of that man is worse than the first. So if at all we're thinking correctly, you know, as a deliverance minister, we want to make sure that this is a long-lasting freedom for the person. And that is why we must lead them into the prayer of salvation. Okay. So in step five, you know, we're talking to them about Jesus. They're not a believer and we ask them, okay, brother, would you like to accept Jesus as your personal savior? What if the person says no? Okay. What do we do? Don't force them because again, you know, it's an act of the will. Does, does God force anybody to, to accept him? No. In fact, that's why we are supposed to preach. We are supposed to, you know, let them know. And then it is the act of will on the part of the individual to accept Christ. So if they say no, I continue to bless them, continue to pray for that person. You just be loving towards the person. Don't get angry and say, oh, then why did you come to me? You will suffer like this. You know, let's not be judgmental and rude and hurtful towards the individual. Maybe they need some more time to, you know, to accept what the Holy Spirit is conducting them of. And so just give them some time and, you know, continue to encourage them. Maybe, you know, we could pray over them. Maybe the Holy Spirit will lead us to pray for some of the emotional issues that they're going through. We pray for the love of God to fill their being. And, you know, don't cast out the spirits. That's not what we're doing right now. We're just blessing them. We're just, you know, asking the Holy Spirit to go deep in their being and to heal. I mean, don't tell this in the prayer, but why is it that this person is not accepting? We want those hurts, wounds, emotional issues, scars for the Holy Spirit, the love of God to go and heal those wounds. So just pray blessing. Just pray for the love of God to come and engulf them, embrace them, heal them in a deep way. And, you know, at the end of this step five, we might just want to say, okay, brother, you know, here's a New Testament or here's these things. Why don't you go back and just take some time, read this. And let me know, either you ask them to get in touch with you, which will be best because then as an act of their will, they reach out to you again. And then you can continue with the process. So you can say, okay, get back to me. And then we will pray some more for you to be free. Okay, so what did we understand till now? See, basically, we are ministering to the person. Okay, that's what these five steps are all about. And then we don't want the demon spirit to interfere. So we are bringing it under subjection. Then we, we start to establish communication with the person. And as far as possible, you know, help them identify what they want to be free of. And then also if they're not a believer, they need to be saved. Only then deliverance makes sense. Otherwise, houses are unoccupied. The latter condition of the person can become worse than the initial condition. Okay, so I'm noticing we are past time. Let's go for a break. And we shall be back at 1101. Okay. And let's pick up from where we have stopped. We'll start with step six. Thank you.