 Yeah, we gon' talk, we gon' fight, we'll be livid, livid. Check it, check it, check it. This is Unique Halsey, she's your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing Mr. Mako. What's going on? Nothing, I remember. Oh, okay, see, see, that's how you're doing it now. See, you down here in Atlanta, Georgia, and you start getting loose. You understand. Save, man, we got a special guest in the house today, man. Pastor J.C. Wallace. Hey, man, so, man, how you doing? I'm doing good, man, nervous, but I'm good. You're nervous, but you ought to be nervous, you ought to be nervous, yeah, I'm glad I see it. Oh, you don't say you're nervous, now I'm loving it now. Oh, yeah, I'm for that cup, no, I'm scared. Come with it. No, no, man, listen, man, this is some, we try to make it just a good conversation that we get to have with a good group of people. So that's what Boss Talk 101 is about, man. We've had several ministers on this show. So many different ones that, you know, dear friends of mine, then some that we were introduced to. That we're introduced to. Yeah, and they became good friends. Right. So, you know, so just tell us a little bit about who you are. But I want to know one thing first, because I heard your nickname is God's Bullet. Yeah. What did that come from? So that was actually a little Facebook joke or whatever. They had this like post that was going around. They had a whole bunch of different names that, you know, preachers is like, you know, because, you know, everybody wants a title right now. So they had like this list of different names that was going around like God's Bullet, Repented Judith, all this other kind of stuff. And so I was just joking or I said, you know what? I'm God's Bullet from here on. So ever since then, I've been tagging God's Bullet on like my deep posts and stuff like that. And it really messes people up. Wow. Well, go in and tell us about yourself, how you were raised, brothers, sisters, single parent home or both together. Let us know everything. Ooh, that's going to be loaded. Well, I'm originally from Ohio. I was born in South Carolina from Ohio. I've been in ministry really since I was eight years old. I accepted my call to preach at eight. I grew up in a Baptist church. As far as my upbringing, yeah, I was a single parent home. She raised me and three of my biological brother, but she also adopted a few other boys also. So it was a lot of us in the house. All boys. All boys, yeah. Yeah, so I was the youngest. Yeah, I've been the youngest in my whole life until about like last year when I finally discarded, you know, learning some different truths and facts about my dad. So it was just like, so yeah, I don't know if I'm the youngest and middle child. I don't know where I'm at the side anymore. So yeah, it's just a pretty, pretty. Where was your dad during when y'all were growing up? My dad been in jail my whole life. Yeah, my whole life. Yeah, he got out. In fact, he went in like maybe like six days after I was born. He was a Navy person. We got relocated to Illinois. Navy? Yeah. What did you go to jail for then? See, that's a lot of stuff that I started learning over the past few years. But my dad, he's actually a rapist. Yeah. What? Yeah, so, yeah, deep. Wow, but he was with the Navy. Yeah, so he basically, you know, a Navy, you know, in the military, they deal with their own crimes the way they deal with it. And at that time, you know, he had some pending charges. So instead of him, you know, going to jail for it, they relocated him. But like after like six days of us being in Illinois, he went out to get me, you know, supposed to be getting me some simulac or whatever. And he never came back. And so kind of find out, chick was out sunbathing in her yard and he made a play at her. So he went in jail. We relocated back to Ohio, where my mom was originally from. He got out when I was like seven, went back in like a year and a half later for the same thing, but just on a different level. By the time he's out of the military, so he got to answer the consequences to, you know, the real legal system. So he was like, in Ohio, we got this highway called 270, which is like 285 here that goes around the whole city. So 275, he was dubbed this 270 rapist. He went on like a spree, a different stuff. So yeah. So his, his past has really shaped my life in terms of how I handle people. But what I want to go back to what I didn't like and I've always, I'm not sort of kind of knew this with the military. It, you said that once they knew what was going on they say they'll move him. They're going to move him to another city, but you are in charge. You can go there to the other city and rape somebody again. So cause you hear about in the military for females, the fact that you are, they get abused. They get raped by their sergeants, by, you know, their peers, by, you know what I mean? So, but they're not saying facilitating, but they're moving them to fresh meat. So to say. Absolutely. See, he was in Florida before we was, cause we, I was born in Saakalina. I want to say him, I'm talking about a lot of people who are just like him. This is, this is, this was the culture. I don't know how it is now, but I know from, from his experience and my own experience, like he was in Florida. And then we found out that there was a, you know, a little case there that that's why he got transferred to Saakalina. Then the, where it became something that was outside of the military's hold is that when we moved to Illinois, that his victim was a civilian. It wasn't somebody who like lived on base or whatever. So that's why he, the different court, you know, kind of handled that situation. And he had to actually do jail time behind that. So right now he's doing a bid 15 to 150. He ain't getting out. So how long you've been hearing about your father being in. See, all my life, man, most of my, most of my, my, my, my mom is the only one that's really been really kind of honest about it. Never really going into detail because I think it was a big thing for her because, you know, she had to live with some of those experiences as, you know, as his wife, you know, the abandonment behind his crimes. And then when he got out, you know, the first time when we were in Ohio, he tried to make a play at her. So she never really wanted to talk about it. But on his side, you know, they've always maintained his innocence even to this day. Now that I even know the truth, like his sisters and stuff like that. And be like, yeah, you know, we gonna fight this thing. We gonna try to get him out. He got this parole coming up and all this other kind of stuff. He even asked me if I was speaking on his behalf. And I'm just like, nah, Brian, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm a father of five now and four of my kids are girls. And so I take that kind of stuff very serious, you know? And then also when I learned of, you know, just him trying to make a play at my mom. And then I also discovered that because of his crimes, you know, I had a sister who eventually would be raped and killed herself. So, you know, that really shaped a lot of things for me, especially how I interact with women, how I approach people who have been in domestic situations, victims, survivors of rape and things of that nature. And that's really close and dear to my heart. So, you know, it's just I'm a forgiving person and inherently, you know, I'm a very big forgiver that one of the people that's been hardest, my hardest to forgive as being him. Just simply because of that, you know what I'm saying? And it's not even that he's been absent and locked up his whole life. It's just that, you know, how can you forgive a man who was so, you know, monstrous? You know? You have to forgive. You have to forgive not only for him, but for yourself. Yeah, it's a daily process, you know what I'm saying? Like I forgive and, you know, some days I'm good with it. And then some days I gotta forgive again. You know, that's a repeated process, especially with him, man, because it's like, you know, I gotta look at my mom. I gotta look at my daughters. I gotta look at, you know, and being in the realm of work that I'm in now as a pastor, my ministry is really geared to the street. So there's a lot of people who deal with this type of stuff who are brought up in these type of households who have uncles who have made plays with them. But because of the family unit, they've masked it and hid it and all that kind of stuff. So that's why I say it makes forgiving this heart from him because it's some days I just have to forgive again. It's like, you know, because I look at, my father is their uncle. My father is their cousin. My father is their neighborhood, you know, abuser, you know? So it's just, you know, that type of thing. Well, I just know that when you talk about what your dad done and when I look down that whole path, you know, it's really a situation where you have to feel sorry for a person who goes through that because the Bible say though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not cornered but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds and cashed down imaginations and every high thought that exalt, every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God. So you know already that these are spiritual battles. So it's hard to look at the person that's having the issue and not look at the fact that God told you, he showed you in his word through Peter, through Paul, through all the different patriarchs of the discipleship that was with him through their books that this is spiritual warfare. So we cannot focus on the individual. We have to focus on the spirit. So the spirit, the Bible says that Jesus said them that worship me must worship me in spirit and in truth. So therefore you cannot get caught up on looking at a person. He said, how can you love a God whom you've not seen and hate your brother? Why does he say this? Because he under, you got to understand that the situation that you're looking at is not even the problem. The spirit that you're fighting against is the problem. That's right. So when you start looking at spiritual warfare, that's a whole nother level and that's a whole nother devil. That's right. See, the devil is a celestial being and therefore he's not like us. He's not terrestrial. So when you start to look at him, you got to start to fight a spiritual battle in order to understand how to win. So it's not your father that really is the one that's the issue. It's the devil that's operating within the realm of the lifestyle that he's affecting. So that's how I deal with things. I've had my ups and downs with a lot of different people. I've had situations where I felt people turned their back on me or did me wrong and I understand my mom was raped in order for her to be here. And you start asking and family members starts to get upset because you start to deal with these different issues that they want to cover up. Nobody wants to talk about it just like you just spoke about and everybody's hidden. Then one day my auntie gets Alzheimer's and she just tells it all. That's right. You see what I'm saying? You're like, what? And she starts to tell it because she can't control it anymore because it has to come out. What's done in the dark will truly come to the light. So when I look at different things like this, I think God that I had opportunity to change. And if you truly change and you truly believe then you know that whatsoever you that's bound on earth shall be bound in heaven. Whatsoever's loosed on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Behold, I give to you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. See these keys that you have can unlock things. So therefore you have to forgive in order to grow. If you don't then you will affect your daughters. You will affect whoever's in your life because that unforgiveness will spring out in a whole different dynamic and attack your family. That's right. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's probably why I got a lot of pastor friends, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see, I can see. But people can't understand that. People can never understand that unless you're in the spirit because even I remember when that case in Dallas where that police officer came into his apartment, thought thinking it was her apartment and still shot him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. And that boy hugged. Yes. And the brother, but when they went to call. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That tripped me out. But that's showing forgiveness. I got mad and I know the book. I know the book. I understood, but I didn't understand. Like, what is this, never don't hug, man. Don't do it, don't do it. But to me, that's the utmost illustration of forgiveness that a lot of people, when you're in the flesh and you're mad, you can't feel that. But once you get out of that flesh and you really take a look at it, you're like, man. That's fun. That was too spontaneous to just, that was too quick. Yeah. You can take us a time to process. But you know, that wasn't the only time that I was tripping. It was, remember when they had to shoot him, when the dude came up in the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You shot all them people. And all the church members is that they, I was watching the documentary of it. And all the church members, they showed up and they, you know, they talking and like, you know, I forgive you and all this other kind of stuff. And I'm sitting there thinking like, but then it was the one brother. Who I resonated with. He said, you know, I don't know what Jesus Jews, they said, but I ain't got it yet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too fresh, you know? It was like, it's too fresh. But you know, I get it. I get it from a spiritual standpoint. I truly get it. I understand that, you know, forgiveness is essentially, it's necessary. It's for you. You know what I'm saying? Because people will do you wrong and go about their life and never think about what they did. And you don't want holding on to it. You don't want not progressing all that kind of stuff. I agree, but I disagree. It's not getting you anywhere. I agree with it that it's for you, but I understand also that it holds another individual in a position. So what I say, I don't agree with it is because when you look at a woman that, it was a story I read a long time ago and it was a woman that used to treat her mama bad every day. Her mama was sick. Her mama wouldn't do nothing. She wouldn't, she lay down all the time and she had a illness. Was that that time of period movie? No, no, no. Okay. But take it out, take it out. One day, I'm gonna fast forward the whole story. One day she forgave herself and her mother and her mother started operating totally different because she, like I say, whatsoever you bound on the earth, you chain that person into a position. So if I'm mad at you and I don't talk to you, really that's gonna affect us because I don't talk to you. Now you don't talk to me and everywhere we go, we know we don't talk to each other. So now we both caught up with this chain of anger. Absolutely. That stops that person from operating right. I agree with that whole Harley. It stops them. Yeah, I agree with that whole Harley. When I was saying this for you is that, like I said, there's a different dynamic relationship when you're talking about a relationship between a child and their parent or a family member relative. These are people that you really got to see. You gonna run into them at some point but then there's some people that didn't come into your life and they don't win on about their life and you never gonna see them again. And so then when I say that you got to release that for you, that's just what it is. And so this is where we are. I understand the spiritual ramifications behind unforgiveness. It really holds you in a bottle. It keeps you in a box and it keeps you from flourishing and progressing in life. Will it make you sick? It will make you sick. That's what the thing that people don't realize is that you fight these spiritual battles and they really do take a toll on your physical body. That's true. They really do. They blame it on the illness because they think that's all what it is but as soon as they forgive and really release all of that, all of a sudden they're getting better. Yeah. And that's what I just explained about that woman. Yeah. Because that unforgiveness will hold you back and won't interfere. It will. It will hurt you and the person that you think was. That's right, that's right. Yeah, and so we got to, you know, that's the pastor, the teacher, the apostle, the prophet, you know, the evangelist. You know, when you look at Ephesians 4 and 11 and you start to look at these positions that God has put these gifts in the different individuals and they start to permeate. Do you feel like in today's society that things are happening the way they should be doing in the body of Christ? Man. Oh, man, are you gonna do this to me? Okay. No, I do not. I absolutely not. Absolutely not, man. This, you know, I'm not gonna lie to you, man. This has been, this has been the Achilles heel of my ministry, man, because I'm looking at it, man. And I talk to people all the time, man. And it's like, and I say this vocally, it's like, this is not what God intended, man. This is not what it's supposed to look like. It's not what it's supposed to be like. It's just, it's a lot of cloud chasing. It's a lot of selfish agendas and self-driven ambitions and all that kind of stuff. And it's not about the people anymore, man. It's not about loving people. It's not about seeing people. First and foremost, it ain't about souls no more. You got, we got a whole lot of other stuff going on in the church that we have really been, become unconscious of people and their soul salvation. And that breaks my heart. And I think that that's what makes what I do in my approach and ministry, you know, so much more important because it's like, I genuinely love people. And I say that to people all the time and they're looking at me and they're like, what do you mean by that? I'm like, no, I want you to understand something. I genuinely love people. My love is automatic. It's like a godly love. It's like, it's there. You got it from the get go. If I don't know you, you got it. If I do know you, you got it. If you get me wrong, you still got it. It's just my love is there. I genuinely love people. And because I genuinely love people, it's like I really want to see the progression of people. And I know that that starts with their soul. If I can't help you figure out your soul and getting that thing right with God and getting you saved and all that kind of stuff, then it kind of makes everything else that I see about you all the more impossible for you to accomplish. It's like, I gotta get you to this place first before I can show you what I really see because the things that I see are in spirit. But as long as you operate in the carnal place and in a natural place, you can't see what I see. So you don't understand the way that I love you because you can't see the way that I love you is from a spiritual perspective. It's like, I see you here. I genuinely, I see your progress. I see your victory. I see your blessedness. I see all these things, but I can't get you to see it until you see that I love you here in a natural and that there's a transition that has to take place in your life. Well, you gotta understand the reason because you're only a planter or you're only a one-net water. And it's God to give the increase. So that's why a lot of times, it's in his time. And I think a lot of times we wanna see these people. I got shots from my brother, my younger brother. You want people to change when you want them to change. But God has always, I'm just saying, for me it was, I'm just saying, when you look at them, you're like, I want them to see them change, but you stay in prayer form. You know what I mean? And you try to wait. And then it seemed like the, seemed like the plan ain't popping up, you know? But you just gotta stay patient. But the thing is that, and it's so much deeper than just me wanting to see them there. It's when you have people who supposedly have light callings. And cause we're talking about the position of the church and whether or not we see it, how we see it is how God intended. When you feel like your opposition is the person that's supposed to be working next to you, that's where the biggest issue, because you got, let's say you got preacher A, you got preacher B. Well, preacher A is preaching one thing. And it's not God-centered. It's not about people. It's not about, it's about things. It's about possessions, about all these things. It's about all these self-driven ambitions and all that kind of stuff. But then you got preacher B, who is, man, I really wanna see you change because I realize that your change is what's holding up all these other things. It's like, I can preach you and tell you that God has so much in store for you. I can tell you about the promises of God that's waiting to be released over your life. But if I never get to you, then you'll never see it. You know what I'm saying? And so it's like, when you're talking about whether or not the church is how we see it. No, it's not because you've got a whole bunch of preacher A's and a very few preacher B's. And when everybody has this gospel that's really self-centric, and it's kind of like, you remember when Jesus was sitting around the table with the disciples and Jesus was getting ready to get up out of here. And the disciples are sitting there and they're arguing about who was gonna be the greatest when he left. It's like, who's gonna take over? Who's gonna be in charge? Who's gonna be the greatest? And all this other kind of stuff. And Jesus is saying, listen, you're having the wrong conversation. You're having the wrong, what you shouldn't be worrying about is what can get ready to happen to y'all next. Because he said to him, said the enemy seeks to seep you as we. He said, there's something that's coming that's getting ready to happen to you that is going to be a very major factor, not just for you, but for everybody connected to you. He said, but I prayed for you that your faith would not fail you so that when you come through this, you can go back and strengthen your brother. And so the thing is, is that we have a lot of people who are sitting around the table and they're talking about who's gonna be next or what my calling is or what my gifting is or who's gonna be the greatest or who's the God's general or who's gonna be next if this person passes. And it's like, we're having the wrong conversations because the enemy, like you said, he's always plotting this scheme and he's always under attack. He's full time in what he does. But as long as we keep sitting around, holding conversation about things that are trivial, then we won't see what's really coming down the totem pole. And if we don't, as the leaders don't see it, then we have a lot of casualties behind our ignorance and our arrogance. Yeah, I got a friend that was over my house last week. He's a pastor. And me and him talk a lot because I always tell him there's a difference between the spirit of error and the spirit of truth. I believe that there's a spirit of error that permeates all of the so-called church buildings when they come down to church worship. And the reason I say that is because of the way that it's been established in America. Because really money has became the God of the churches that we so-called go to a lot of times because we're so monetarily over here in America. But if you go back to Melita over there where Paul got bit by a snake, I had a friend from there and he told me he believed that that 98% of Christianity was false and only 2% real. He said because over there they still serve God in the same place they served him at because they're a third world country. You see what I'm saying? And they don't, they don't, they're not looking to be a building. They're looking to be a people. And see, here's the problem. When you look at the spirit of error, it's taught from a different perspective. When you look at the word church, it comes from the Greek word ecclesia. It simply means to be called out from among them. But we've taken and established it as a building and we tell people you have to go to it instead of be it. And this is a big problem and people are not facing that. Because if they faced that, then when Corona hit, it wouldn't affect them because we know that we are the church. The Bible says, know ye not that your body is the temple and the spirit dwells within you. So when you know these things and you understand these things then you know how to fight your battles. Now, I'm not telling you that people shouldn't go and worship. I'm telling you, people should have an understanding of how they should be worshiping. And I think they're not being educated enough in these areas. It's become more of a crutch than anything, man. And we've taught and conditioned people to go and come instead of be. And that's the issue. And I tell people all the time, I said, you know, this pandemic was one of the biggest blessings that happened to the church. I gave it a thumbs up. And in the long time, because it removed us from the building and it required us to go for God for ourselves. It made you do it. Yeah, but the problem was is that you had people who didn't know how to handle it, even leaders, even pastors, they were anxious to get people back into the church. We got to get people back in this building. And so the problem is, is that we have a lot of people who are conditioned to lean on church, the building, and they feel like if they don't get to the building, they didn't get God. And that's the problem. That's a big problem. That's a big problem. It's like, and so you hear people saying things like, man, I got to get to church, man. I got to get mine. I got to get back in there. Yeah, but so the problem is, is that you get there, you have an experience of some sort, but you don't take from the place what you should take to take back with you. No, that's true. You know what I'm saying? Remember the story of Jairus, and Jairus is walking with Jesus, right? And he comes to Jesus and he says to Jesus, he says, look, I need you to go with me to my house because I know that if you go to my house with me, my daughter who is sick will be made well. Okay, so they start progressing, they're going and whatever the case may be. And then they get, they get interjected by the woman with the issue of blood. Jesus stop, he deals with her issue. By the time he gets that with her issue, here comes Jairus is servant and says trouble not the master no more. She ain't just, but see what people miss is what Jesus really said. Because what he said to Jairus was that she wouldn't, he didn't say that she wouldn't die. He just said the sickness wouldn't end there. In other words, it could get worse, but the key to her deliverance and her miracle is whether or not you keep walking with me even when you get bad news because you're going to get interference, you're going to get distraction and then you're going to get a bad report from somebody who's familiar with your situation. And you trust this person more than you trust me because you don't know me, but you know this servant, you know this servant enough to leave her home, leave this servant home with your sick little girl. And so he comes and he says to him, he said trouble not the master no more. And Jesus says something that was so profound. He says, don't doubt, just believe. Because now Jairus has a, he says he has to fork in a road, right? Because he has to make a decision. Do I trust the word of the one that I do know? Or do I trust the word of the one that I don't know, but who has the power and the authority to do something about it? Because either way, Jairus had to go home, right? Either way, he had to go home, but what made the difference was who he went home with. And that's the piece that people are missing when we're talking about, because they feel like because they came to the church, they got it. No, the power is in what you take even from the building. If you come to the building fine, but did you take what was released in the building back with you? And again, great story, great analogy. I love that story. That's one of the most profound stories in the word of God. I love an issue of blood with the woman that comes and stops them. I've always been fond of that story. Jesus is the truth, you know? The way the truth and the life, you know? Man, it's just something else when you understand who God really is, you know what I mean? And people that go to whatever and don't have no, they haven't emptied out. See, you have to let go of some things in order to grow. You can't grow if you all, you still holding on to those things that holds you back. So we already know that people are coming in and they're tired and they wanna change. But when they get there a lot of times, the word that they're being given, is it enough to give them that change that they desire? Because of tradition and the spirit of error instead of the spirit of truth and all these different things in you and those that we see people dealing with. And I say that because we just have to do better when we do get those people in the front of us to try to give them God's word. Take that time, no matter where you're at really, because I believe more and more you stand. But take that time to get those people in a situation where you challenge them with the truth in the word of God. So many people are speaking on the world instead of the word. And that's the problem, man. Realistically, you gotta spend time with God in order to have that word. And that's the biggest issue that we're facing right now is that you got a whole lot of people who have the microphone, but don't have the work ethic, which means they didn't spend time with their word. They didn't spend time in his presence to even know what God is saying, for a time such as this. And so you see a lot of preachers that have preached trendy things. Like when the crate challenge happened, all the preachers wanted to preach about the crate challenge. When the red flags happened, all the preachers wanted to preach. And so our main vein as the church right now is more reactive than proactive. It's being led by the trends rather than the word of God. Because at the end of the day, if preachers were truly spending time with God, we would foresee some of these things that are happening. We had really true prophets operating in the kingdom of God. We would have been better prepared for this pandemic. And so it's like there's, like I said, there's a lot of people that got the microphone, but ain't nobody studying. Ain't nobody spending time with it. We're regurgitating word that we heard, you know, our spiritual father or whatever the case may be, be preached or whatever the case. But nobody's really spending that time. Nobody's really getting in his face and giving God that devotion that they need to actually hear from people. Because if you are truly hearing from God, I honestly believe that half the words that you hear being preached would not be being preached because it's not what God is saying in this season. I mean, really, realistically, when you're talking about a whole world that is shut down, that needs something of significance for their life to even recover. When you're talking about a community, especially a black community, even though we see that the world is opening up and all this other kind of stuff, our community is still struggling. It's still suffering. It's still a pandemic for us, for so many people. There's so many people who are still without jobs, who need jobs, who still their income is not risen. Their unemployment has canceled out. And so the needs are really great. And here's how I know for fact that the church was not on par when it came to people's needs in the midst of this pandemic. How do I know this? Because when God took us out of the building, we poured more money into the building even though the building was empty. Help me make sense of this. All your people are at home in your community struggling. They have needs that need to be met. And you sitting here gloating about well, we did this to the building so that when y'all get back, it's gonna be X, Y, and Z. And it's like, no. You got churches that are sitting in communities that have been sitting in communities. For 20, 30, 40, 50 plus years, that communities don't even know exist because they have not tried to make an impact in that community. And so we were so not on par with what God was trying to show us. He was trying to show us that we put, like you said, we put more emphasis on the building than we do to people. And the people suffer because of it. And you know, you say a mouthful and thank you for that, you know, the difference is, what do we do? You know, what's the game changer? You know, we know what the word of God say. The Bible says, what will to the preacher that go and say, God said, the prophet, they go and say, God said, and he ain't saying nothing in the book of Ezekiel. We know that a lot of time there's, he says, should not the shepherd feed the flock also. You know, when he say, what will to the shepherd that feeds himself and not the flock? Should not the shepherd feed the flock also in Ezekiel? So what am I saying? I'm just telling you that where do we start to change the narrative? Or do we wanna just fit in? Like when Dr. King said in Birmingham, when he was in Birmingham jail, Dr. King said that, you know, the clergy has become like it's a non-sounding symbol. Like they just accept things as they are. If you go back and read that Birmingham letter, you understand what I'm saying? So when you really look at, you know, what was going on during that era, you know, far as when King said that, I believe we still have a lot of face challenges. We gotta try to figure this out in a way to where we don't do that. We're not helping our youth, man. If we're not going to our youth, we're not helping our communities. If we're not going to our communities, I believe the church passed the church up, going to the church. And I think that's a problem. That's it. So I'm being real. I like what you said right there. We're gonna pass the church, go into the church. You can't do it like that. And that's the problem. So anytime, and this is something I challenge all the leaders with in my community, when they talk to me, we gotta do something. I don't just do nothing. If you wanna do something, come get me. But until you're ready to do something, I don't wanna go into church and celebrate with you. That's right. I'm being real. I am the church. That's it. So I don't have to go to something that I am. That's right. I'm telling you, when you're ready to go serve the community, then I'm ready to go with you. But if you're just sitting around telling each other's stories and acting as if you're motivating each other and you say you're saved, I don't have time for that. That's right. That's right. I'm sorry. That's it. We gotta help somebody. If you call me, JC, and say, hey, we got some children that we need to feed. We got some children that we need to clothe. Either some homeless people, we wanna put some backpacks out for it. I'm all for it. But when you sitting around and you know you seeing problem, you passing them by just so you can satisfy your own desires in your flesh. That's right. I have no time for that. That's right. I'm being real. I feel that. But we gotta do something though. I gotta do something. I can't just say that and then don't do nothing. That's right. So we have to try to come up with ways to be strategic enough in the communities to help the people. But we've seen this process that the, you know, people don't turn their back on the church a lot of times. All of my friends are saying they don't go no more a lot of time. I'm being real. Because they've been hurt by those places, man. When it came time to pay bills, they paid tides, but they couldn't even get a helping from the people that they paid tides to. They lost homes, man. They were in debt. That's right. So how do you justify that? As a people, we gotta change, man. Yeah, absolutely. We gotta come out of that, man. It's tradition. It is. And it's a sad tradition, man, because, you know, what people gonna have to realize is that ministry is bigger than, you know, turkeys and school supplies. You know, people got real needs around the clock. You know, one of the things that I used to love about the church when I was growing up, and this was even more prevalent even in the times before I got here, is that you had access to the church. Yeah. You had access. You know, there was at any given time, you can go up to the church and somebody was there. You know, whether it was the cleaning crew or the pastor or whatever, the deacons or somebody was there nowadays, you can't even get in the parking lot because it's chained and all this other kind of stuff. The church has fallen in love with this idea that, you know, Sunday is it. Yeah, yeah. And that's not it at all. Yeah. And so, you know, and you look at, even when, at how people build buildings, you know, when the church has to build a new building or all this other kind of stuff, you can look at and say, oh, you know, we're doing great things because, you know, now we need a 10,000 C sanctuary and all this other kind of stuff. But the ministry component, and this was people felt it realized is that more people do not equate more ministry. More seats do not equate more ministry. That's not how this thing works. You've spent a minute part of your budget or actual ministry, but you've spent a $10 million a year on the sanctuary and the edifice and the worship service and the musicians and the singers and then this big production and all this other kind of stuff. And it's like, that's not what God intended. You know, we got to get out of this mindset that because we're having a good time on Sunday and because twice a year, you can see us in the community doing things, you know, you know, like toys for Christmas or school supplies or turkey drives. That don't mean nothing. No, no. That's, you know, that's a lifestyle. That ain't changing nobody's life. You got people who are out here dealing with domestic violence and drug addictions and mental illness and all this other kind of stuff. Where is the church in this capacity? Hey, I agree with that. This is where we need to be active at. This is where we need to be mobilizing people. It's not about, I don't care less if you volunteer for the turkey drive, but you are a licensed counselor. Can you help us minister to the needs of some people's mental illness and mental deficiencies? You are a licensed educator. We got some struggling people who are in this public school system who are struggling to get their grades up to par so they can graduate. Can you volunteer your time so that we can provide some tutoring services as a body of believers? Because we've got to begin to show up in people's real needs. That's at the end of the day, that's what it's about. If the church is not meeting needs, then we are not fulfilling our purpose. J.C. Wallace, guys, he's in the building. Man, I'd like to say, I appreciate you coming on the show. The thing, if I was gonna end it a certain way, it would be when I read the Bible and you know me, and this is not a heresy. You hear me? This is not a debate. This is not what they call it when you say things and then, oh man, no, this is something that's real for me. When I read the word of God, I read a fulfilled word in the New Testament where Jesus says, I didn't come to destroy the law, I come to fulfill it. He say, he also, you know, he say things like he went over here and he did that so that that would be fulfilled. Jesus showed us and why he went through certain places. He went to Egypt when he was a baby to fulfill something in the Old Covenant, you know. But I think a lot of times in today's society, our teachers or preachers don't read the word of God in a fulfilled format, where we understand the Old Covenant was the Old Covenant, but Christ had to come. There was no salvation in the Old Covenant. Without Christ, there's no salvation, brother. All right, that's right. We understand that. That's right. He said he came to send, there's only begotten Son so that whosoever would believe in him will not perish. He wouldn't have to send him if there was salvation already. So I say that to say, I look at our people and I look at our teachers, our ministers and they don't teach a fulfilled word. Do you understand what I'm saying? Showing that Jesus Christ came and the curtains rent and things happened in the New Testament that fulfilled the Old Covenant, that Yeshua was Jesus in the New Testament, that Joseph was a form of Jesus in the New Testament. And they all was, even when the rock got smitten by Moses, it's a form of Jesus in the New Testament. You see what I'm saying? But a lot of times people try to go back to these ways that things happen in the Old Covenant and try to establish our people. And I don't think that's the way, brother. Well, see, the thing gives us that, and I have this conversation with some of my pastor friends all the time. When Jesus left us as a church one charge, he said to his disciples, he said, go and teach them the things that I taught you. And you're talking about this fulfilled word. Everything that Jesus showed them was in fulfillment. And so we look at what Jesus taught them. He taught them to love. He taught them to care about people's needs. He taught them to be concerned about their neighbor and their brother. And he taught them about being sacrificial in our giving and all this other kind of stuff. These are the things that Jesus taught. He didn't say go make more prophets. He didn't say go make more apostles. He didn't say go make. He said, no, go make more disciples. And I'm not saying that to negate the necessity for prophets, apostles, teachers and all that kind of stuff. What I'm saying is that these were supposed to be additives, not alternatives. And so what we have here is that we got people who are literally establishing ministry to make more prophets or make more apostles, whatever the case may be. He said, no, he said everything, whether it be a prophetic or a discernment or whatever the case may be, it's supposed to be helpful feel the charge that I've given you to make disciples. That is your primary objective. And that is what we as a church have gotten away from. We've stopped making disciples. We made church people. We know how to church. We got that down pat. I can church any day of the week effortlessly and it changes nothing. But what Jesus taught them and showed them was about the communal concern that we are supposed to have for one another. And so you saw Jesus feed the hungry. You saw Jesus heal the sick. You saw Jesus make the blind to see. These are all the things that you've seen Jesus do. And he says in seeing these things, what I want you to understand is that this is the stuff that I want you to really take ownership of and understand that what I'm showing you is that your obligation as a disciple of mine is to be concerned about other people's needs. That is the primary objective. I've given you no other directive. I've told you to do nothing else. All I've told you to do was go teach the people what I've taught you. Go make more disciples. Wow, J.C. Wallace, man. He's in the building, man. Hey, man, I want to first of all tell you I love you, brother. Love you too. I'm so glad that God brought you all the way. How can people get ahold of you here in Atlanta? Yes, I'm here in Atlanta. How can people get ahold of you if they wanted to reach out to you and they needed help? I am J.C. Wallace on all social media. You can type in I am J.C. Wallace on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. I just started a TikTok. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it yet. But it's gonna be something. But I am J.C. Wallace, or if you need to reach out to the ministry, is I am the one.church. Okay, so is this online only, or is this online? So we're online and in person. You have a location that you guys- Yes, yes, we are in Riverdale. We hold services. My good friend let's use, because we church on Friday nights. Okay, it's dope, I like it. Yeah, we church on Friday nights. I figured if we can impact Friday nights, we can impact the city. So we church on Friday nights, 6.35 then I'm in Riverdale, Georgia. Hey, man, you guys heard that, man. If you wanna put down, hey, if you wanna put down some real put down on Friday night, man. Yeah, cut back on going to stroke, or yeah, a blue flame, and go over there and hang out with my boys. Stop playing, man. Yeah, yeah. We're original King of Darkness. Yeah. I definitely thank you for coming on the show, man. You're a blessing. Thank you for having me. If there's anything that we can help you with, we're in Dallas, Texas, man. And you're welcome to give us a call. I want you to follow our platforms and just link up with us if it's anything we can help with if you're doing a food drive or something where you're doing clothes, whatever. Hit me up, man. Let's try to do something together. We'll get it popping right down here. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming on the show, man. JC Wallace guys, man. Hey, man, there's been another great segment of Balls Talk 101. And we are.