 And for all these animal activists, you should dig deep into your moral compass and realise you are nothing but hypocrites. Yeah, absolute scumbag. Tell me how you'd feel in the victim's position. How dare you? Money-driven, corrupt scumbag. The agriculture minister, Murray Watt, who lives in Brisbane, has said that this industry is going to be over very soon, the live sheep export industry. There's about half a million head of sheep that are exported every single year. Behind that, businesses and families who need to export those sheep. This guy here is more concerned with businesses and families than what it's like for sheep on a live export ship. Has this guy even seen what it's like on a live export ship? Live export is something even meat-eaters can agree is horrific. It's usually sheep from the wool industry. So once they're done producing wool, wool, wool, they're basically crammed into the ship. They're defecating everywhere. They're dying of heat exhaustion, a long arduous trip to the Middle East where they will be slaughtered without any welfare guidelines. Yeah, mate, there's about 3,000 Western Australian families that won't have a future under this. There's nearly a hundred million dollars that comes back into the Western Australian economy. See how they care more about economy and the Western Australian families than they do with egregious suffering and murder of innocent beings. Hey, David, if you think it's a much more of a moral issue that it's gonna hurt economics to ban live export, why don't you take a little trip on one of these live export ships yourself? See what it's like. Maybe you'll have a little bit of a reality check. And for all the moral virtues and not only the Labor Party, but also these animal activists, all they will do by shutting down the Australian live sheep export industry is export animal welfare standards to countries like Sudan and Ethiopia. They don't have the animal welfare standards that we do. We can actually measure the pants per minute on those boats in the time that they're on there. We measure the flow of air through those boats. We measure, in fact, the length of the wool before we put them on the boat and the actual size of the sheep in weight before we put them on the boat. Because we've done the science, we've moved away from a mortality to an animal welfare model. Wow. Well, you measure the air and the pants per minute, do you? And what's the mortality rate right now, mate? Are you gonna show us some evidence of this or is it just you speaking for the industry here? Pretty sure the welfare on those boats is absolutely insanely egregious. Why don't you just put a couple CCTV cameras in there so we can have a look, hey? Why don't you do that? And they're being exported to countries to be decapitated anyway. Like you care about how the animal is treated. You said right there at the start, you care about economics and family businesses. We're talking about mega farms here filled with wool sheep and they're exporting them to other countries because there's not a big market for the flesh of wool sheep here in Australia. People eat baby lambs here or prefer the young flesh of animals here. This is just about finance, that's it, it's all about economics. And we have the best standards in the world. The sheep industry acknowledged they got things wrong but we reformed it. Here in Australia we have the best standards in the world and we've reformed, we're doing better now. We actually care about animals now even though we never did, but we definitely do now even though I care more about the family's income, the business's income, we definitely care about animals now, I promise you. And there was issues with the cattle industry. They got a second chance. Where's the second chance for Western Australian producers who have done the right thing? Mate, listen to this guy, you're just a spokesperson for the industry, aren't you? They've done the right thing, where's their second chance? You know, where's their second chance? Please, we're not doing this for money, we're doing this because we love animals. That's why we're doing it. All through the supply change, this is world leading and we are gonna cut and run. That's not the Australian way. That's not the Australian way. The Australian way is to, you know, exploit animals for their wool and then put them on a ship where they die of dehydration on the way to the Middle East to be decapitated. That's the Australian way. And the unintended consequence of this is that many Western Australian families are gonna really hurt out of this. If you want to know what true hurt is, David, little proud, why don't you jump on a live export ship? See what it's like for the sheep on there? If you're so confident that there's such great airflow on those ships, if you're so confident that the animal welfare is up to scratch, take a little trip on there, mate. Show us what it's like. Yeah, I mean, you mentioned before about 3,000 people, 3,000 families. Now, Murray Watt will claim and the Labor Party says, oh, well, we're giving you a couple of years heads up here. We're giving you a chance to transition your business. Has this bloke been on a farm? Has this bloke aware of why certain things happen in certain parts of the country? Mate, it looks like all you've done has spent the last bloody 20 years eating out of a farm and you've never been on one yourself. If you want to see what happens on Australian farms, watch Dominion. So that argument just ain't gonna fly, mate. Have you ever been on a farm? Have you ever seen what happens on a farm? Have you ever been on a live export ship? Have you ever been in a slaughterhouse? Watch the animals be decapitated. I'm sure it wouldn't even bother you anyway. You'd still be like, yeah, good old Australian slaughterhouse workers, mate. We're doing it for the industry. I don't think you even care. One little intsy bit about the animals being decapitated. Is he aware that, you know, well, I know the preference for every acreage is to turn it into solar panels. Some people might not want to do that. Solar panels? Oh, my God. Solar panels look even David Little proud is laughing. Solar panels, I'd really prefer it to be a mass exploitation camp where we decapitate all those animals or send them on ships where they suffer to death on the way to the Middle East to be decapitated. What they're trying to do is close it down slowly and quietly. And what they'll do in 2025 is say, see, the industry fell apart. They're not exporting anyway, because what they're trying to do is break investment confidence now from the industry, from the farm gate, all the way through whether it be the trucking companies, the feeding companies, the stockmen, the vets, and say, well, there's no industry there in the future, so we're going away. They're trying to destroy our industry slowly. I thought you were all about animal welfare, bro. If you're all about animal welfare, shouldn't you be focusing more on the animals here? No, we're just like, no, no, no, we're doing the right thing now. It's been reformed. We've learned our lesson. It's not all about money. It's not all about, I swear, like we've learned our lesson, but industry, industry, industry, industry. So that's why the nationals have made it clear. No matter when we get back in, we are making a commitment that we will reinstate the live sheep export industry to Western Australia, any other, any other part of the country wants to do it. That is common sense. That's a fair go, and we should stay and do it because we've got a responsibility as a good global citizen to lead the world in animal welfare standards. Yeah, absolute scumbag. You're pretending like you want to reinstate live exports to show that you've got the leading welfare standard. This is one thing vegans and non-vegans can agree on. It is absolutely one of the most egregious welfare horror shows you will ever see is a live export ship. This guy here is saying that we want to reinstate live exports just so we can show the globe that we are leading the way in terms of animal welfare. You're using animal welfare as a justification to continue something that even meat eaters agree is horrifying. Where we can count and we have stocking density rates of how many sheep we can put on a boat. Some of these other countries just put as many as they can fit on and they get paid for how many's left when they get there. Well, you know what, mate, the only reason that you did any kind of reform on these ships, if there is any kind of reform on these ships is because of the investigations that happened on these ships. It wasn't something that Australia just decided to do. The industry just decided to do. The industry knew for many, many years how bad those ships were. And everyone turned a blind eye because it's the industry and it's the hard working farmers. It took investigation after investigation and pressure campaigns constantly before there was any kind of reform. And now let's just give the farmers a second go. Let's give them a second go, please. You know, don't you trust us? Why would anyone trust you? You're doing it for money. You don't care about the animals. The only reason there's any kind of welfare reform is if activists go in, investigate, expose, then they do welfare reform. Otherwise, things would never have moved forward. And just because there's reform on paper doesn't mean there's been any kind of reform in reality. The way we test that is by investigations, sticking cameras in, sending investigators in when they're not ready. That's the only way, like, people can say there's been welfare reform. You can tell us that everything's fine and dandy. But when it comes down to the crunch, it's what's actually happening that matters, not what comes out of your mouth. Is that a bit of live export money in his front pocket? That is a perverse animal welfare outcome. The audacity of you to talk about perverse animal welfare outcomes, David, a little proud. You have no idea what you're talking about, mate. Look at the film Dominion. Look what happens when Australian farms and abattoirs are investigated. Look what happens when live export is investigated. You're saying, oh, we're so much better than other countries. It would be such a perverse animal welfare outcome if we let any other country torture animals the way we torture animals. It's got to be us who torture animals. And when we do it, like, we're so much better, like, absolute nonsense, mate. Listen to ya. And for all these animal activists, you should dig deep into your moral compass and realize you are nothing but hypocrites. Listen to me, David, you're a scumbag. All right, animal activists actually have the animals' interests at heart. You have financial interests at heart. All you keep talking about is finance and economy and industry and the poor farmers and the poor people who are torturing the animals. You don't give a damn about those animals. How dare you call animal activists hypocrites? You're the one who's trying to redestine these animals to hell on those live export ships. Take a little trip yourself, mate. Take a little trip on the ship yourself. Take a little trip down the kill floor of a sheep slaughterhouse. Tell me how you'd feel in the victim's position. How dare you? Money-driven, corrupt, scumbag. You are nothing but hypocrites. Look at his face there. You really did something there, mate. David, didn't ya? You really did something there. Absolute scumbag, talking out both sides of your mouth like a typical politician. If anyone wants to see what happens on live export ships, take a look. Now, all of a sudden, it's all better. You put a band-aid on it. It's all better. Australia's the best for animal welfare. Nonsense. Look at ya. I can't believe you can say that with a straight face. Pure scum. There's no other way around it. And we'll say to Murray, what? If he's so convicted on this, then put his science, Australian science against the science of animal welfare stands in the countries we're competing with. You know what, mate? Like, if you did a bit of science and realized that we're a little bit better than the most horrific countries on Earth who have no standards at all, you'll realize how great Australia really is. You know what, mate? Just words. Why don't you fund a bunch of secret investigators to go into every single live export ship and see if what you're saying is true? Who do you think is more trustworthy in this situation? A politician who's speaking about the industry and finance and farmers and the economy and, oh my God, and calling animal rights activists hypocrites, how the hell are animal rights activists hypocrites when they're asking that animals don't go on ships to be murdered and when they're asking that animals don't go on ships to suffer to death, right? How the hell are animal rights activists hypocrites? You're the one who's saying we're all in it for welfare but you're trying to destined animals to horrific conditions to be murdered overseas. That's hypocrisy. They're getting sent to be murdered in places that don't even have guidelines in slaughterhouses. What do you want about when it comes to the interests of the animals, who do you trust more? Animal rights activists or politicians who speak out both sides of their mouth and are only concerned with economy? So I will let you decide.