 Hey everybody, welcome back to Linus Kess. I'm Matt and I mean I'm not your only host We're not starting over again relieving that We joke the first time we did that he remembered his name this time he forgot his name like it's okay I forgot that we're doing it that way and he forgot his name That's how this episode is going to go. We have absolutely No hope for us to actually have a coherent episode. I'm just I mean So the question don't be surprised when it's 45 minutes in and we're just getting to the main topic We warned you more likely 45 minutes in we still haven't done the contact information yet because we're Shitting about suckless software. Okay. So Tyler, what have you done this weekend Linux? Oh Oh as busy as it's been not too much However, I have decided that I'm gonna spend a full week Just using suckless software Again, I've done this in the past But I'm hoping that surf the one weak link of all suckless software, which by the way if that upsets you I'm sorry The truth must just hurt Surf is the wink weak link of all suckless software and Hopefully there's been some minor improvements that make it at least usable Yeah, I don't think you're so But yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and do that and see how it is on My hallway laptop that I'm using because it's low power as hell and I can charge it with the USB C cord Which is nice But um, yeah, that's what I'm up to you up to surf as before we move on to me Surf is just so slow. I mean, it's just so slow. I mean it's like Noticeably slow like it's not like everyone's like Firefox compared to like chromium and sometimes is sometimes slower But you can notice that surface slow like it's sometimes this like It sometimes it genuinely surprises you how slow it is. Yeah, it's it's really And the thing is a they shouldn't make a browser, okay I'm just gonna put this right out there. They shouldn't make one because they don't update their software often enough to Be good at doing a browser. Browsers need constant iteration and Updates and so again, and here's the thing their core philosophy does not align with the internet in general No, like if they made like a Gemini browser, that would make sense that that would make total sits But they were like even just making a web browser in the first leg You can't be suckless and make a browser for the web that people are going to actually use your core values Don't even align with the internet. What are you doing? Because your suckless philosophy comes straight up against the wall It is JavaScript Seriously, it just doesn't The thing is is cute browser does it well because it actually, you know Works and it's fast and runs on modern technologies and it's constantly updated like like every time I do an arch update There's an update for cute browser. It feels like, you know, and that's just like one guy Like he was just like one dude Like I'm sure I'm sure there's a community that's supporting it But like it's ran by like one dude. So I mean like I don't We'll see like the thing that I understood the reason I can understand and appreciate chromium more is only because Or not chromium Good Lord cute browser is because it is the chromium web engine Stripped down and then all of that plug-in UI all of that well UI in general It's just cleaned and scraped out of there and you get this nice keyboard driven environment And it's got to be easier to maintain than something like a suckless where you're yeah I mean you're using a web engine, but you're also like I genuinely don't know what makes suckless so slow I don't understand. I will never understand it Well, because they have no interest in doing anything to speed it up if they went through and did any Tweaking of it to speed it up then it wouldn't be suckless anymore Yeah, that's the reason why I mean Like I said before they should just not make a browser it just it's just shouldn't exist I mean understand why they want to have that kind of whole suite of software that goes by their philosophy But that's the one thing you just really can't do in a suckless way You can't plus I mean It's just I don't know like I said, it's just not updated often enough to keep up with the way the internet changes, you know, alright So I have two things to talk about this week And I'm gonna make a video about the first one I've been using GNOME now for Five six days five days, I think and you have loved every second of it. It's been the best time of your life No No, no it hasn't it has not been as bad as I thought it was gonna be so I will say that It is usable Now I have used it the whole time without any extensions zero The only thing I've done is download tweak tool so I could change the theme because I was not using out of weight I was just not gonna do that. I would I would literally died before I ever used that thing So I have download tweak download tweaks and change the themes And it's fine. That's all I've done and I've and then I've gone through and just made it keyboard driven I mean, that's the way they want you to use GNOME is through your keyboard So I've done that I'm used to using the keyboard to do a window manager. So it makes sense to me Some of the default key bindings are just the dumbest most Dumb thing ever, but once I've changed them, it's fine I have had some instances where it freezes for whatever reason like yesterday I hit the the super key in order to get the the multitasking view and it froze there I had to actually literally restart my computer. It was like I was on Windows Vista again, and I had a control delete, you know I literally had to go into a TTY and reboot my computer in order for it to come back and I don't understand I don't know whether that's a an arch problem or fetch a GNOME problem. That was a pan-ass I also still have not managed to get it. So the screen will go to sleep after a certain amount of inactivity I've not been able to do it I've looked on the internet every single day since I've started there's Somebody told me to download GNOME screensaver, which is abandoned, but apparently used to work. That didn't work I The replacement for that was X screensaver. I downloaded that and made sure that was running that didn't work Somebody told me that I just had to lock the screen. So there's a keybinding to lock the screen And so I locked the screen and all that managed to do was bring up the lock screen for The whole time I was away from my computer the screens never turned off and So so I mean I've tried five or six different things there was somebody there was a there was a Again, but there are somebody told there was a solution to change it like a config file for GTK or something In order to get it done. I tried that that didn't work so this whole experience of me trying to get the screens just to turn off because you know I When I get up and go use the standing desk that I get made fun of, you know, I actually have to get up and go over there And use the standing desk You know, I want these monitors to turn off after like 10 minutes or something Like whatever I have whatever it doesn't matter, but it won't work So the screens stay on and I don't like that. I like conserving at least a little bit of electricity, you know, I mean Just a tiny bit, you know, I do my part, but it's just so I I Have had that problem before in the past when I use GTK based or GNOME based Like desktop environments like when I used budgie for a while that had the same problem on Arch because there's some dependency there. That's just I'm missing like it's some dependency that handles that functionality The problem is is there's no documentation for that functionality at all so I have no clue what dependency I'm missing and Why it's not bundled with with GNOME on Arch in the first place to whatever that dependency is I don't understand. It doesn't make any sense to me and it pisses me off a lot So that has been a problem with GNOME. I also Have just found it boring like I Can understand now more why people use it because there's nothing to do in it other than do your work You get in there and you do your work you don't go through and you know mess around with windows and stuff like that It's it's just you do your work and it's it's fine You know, it's not interesting to me What so ever I have no interest in changing the color scheme again like it's fine, you know It's good. No, I mean GNOME don't really change that much. Yeah, it's it's fine I don't know. It's not it's not as bad as I thought it would be It's weird being in a floating window manager again, like I can go through and take the window and Swirl it around and around around around like a fidget spinner, you know So what I'm hearing is is you now love GNOME. Yes, I Can't wait to go back to a tiling window manager I'm gonna sounds like love to me. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend the next Two days in it. So I got Friday and Saturday left. I'm gonna make my video on Saturday and Today I'm gonna go through and install some extensions. I'm gonna the last two or three days I'm gonna use with some extensions even though it's outside of the purview of what the GNOME developers want and I'm gonna I'm gonna install the tiling Extension so I can have like a tiling window manager effect. I'm gonna change it so that the dock is available all the time and stuff like I'm gonna just Do as much tweaking as I want for the next thing and see if that makes GNOME more interesting to me because right now It's just it's boring, you know, like even with like XFCE or cinnamon or, you know, obviously plasma You know, there's tons of stuff you can do to tweak it and play around with it And I guess it goes towards my mentality of always wanting to tweak and you know mess around with my desktop environment Uh, you know, maybe there is something to the GNOME madness of not doing that because really all you can do In GNOME is your work. You can't go through and do anything else Yeah, I mean, I think that is what it's made for It is made so that you get your work done and then Like our arguments about it being Uncustomizable is sort of like I feel like that's what the devs use right back at us. They're like, yeah It's not meant for that. It's not meant for customizing. It's not meant for So it's just meant for you to hop in and you get your work done and it generally makes sense Um, and it also has big flashy buttons. So yeah So once we get to the news item, we'll talk a little bit more about, you know, all right, so the second thing Uh, I want to talk about in this section is that I'm having some Linux problems. So I I've talked about this before But my keyboard Just periodically doesn't stops working And I have to unplug the keyboard and plug it back in in order to get to work now I thought that it was the keyboard itself. So I took this hundred and eighty dollar keyboard away and got the the God, I don't know what all that keyboard is. I don't remember But anyways, the keyboard that normally sits on that desk and swapped them around Uh, and because I thought it was the keyboard So I used that for a few days and the same thing happens. So it's not the keyboard It's not the cord because it was a completely different cord. So Um, the only other two options are is it's the operating system Which is arco or it's the computer itself So in in hope that it's not a hardware problem because if it is I'm screwed Um, because you can't buy shit anymore Unless you have like a million dollars Um, I I've started to think about hopping away from arco despite the fact that everything else on the system works fantastically I think I don't want to hop so bad and I've been Dragging my feet because I talked about it two days ago. I was gonna do it two days ago But I just so don't want to do it because it's everything else works so good Um, so yeah, I'm in the process of thinking about distro hopping again I'm not sure where I would go. Uh, I know Where like josh will Lee and f society and all those guys would want me to go I guess it's not going to be gen two. I'm sorry. It's not going to be gen two Um, so it's gonna be I I just don't know what distro. I'm gonna end up landing on yet Well, don't worry. It's a long road to heaven man. And when you end up in gen two, I mean heaven Welcome to our friend. Um, see the thing is I'm temp. I don't somebody asked me. I think it was josh on patreon Asked me what the big deal about the aur is and why arches users hate leaving the aur behind And the thing is is I've never Gone into an arched space system and not been able to go through and download a piece of software That I wanted as long as the aur is enabled. I can find any piece of software I've never found a single piece of software ever that wasn't in the aur You know, uh, if you come across something random on the internet and you want it Don't spend your time compiling it from source because that's a waste of time It's definitely the aur. Just pull it down from the aur Well, like the other day I was working on a video about the top five like or five Alternatives to neofetch and I found some like random shit Like that like just a random person Made a fetch application posted it on reddit. That was in the aur. Okay. It was so um The reason why I don't want to leave the aur behind is because of that experience You don't have that experience anywhere else the only place that I've come close to finding that is on open susa Open susa has a huge repository. I don't know if I mean It's not close to your but it's it's it's good The problem with open susa is that zipper is the slowest package manager you've ever seen in your life. It is so slow It's like It's just so it's it's like surf level slow. You know, it's just it's really slow. Um I've really enjoyed my time with open susa. I've considered making that my actual daily driver just Uh, so really I've considered it but that zipper is just so slow. Yes. Yes, it's awesome. Yes, it's so good But again, it's slow like it's and you can tell it was designed in another era because it's very clunky too, but Um, yeah, so I don't know where I'm gonna end up It's probably going to be on like garuda or endeavor os just because I want to try To see if a different os but still arch based has the same problems with the keyboard Uh, and if that doesn't work, then I'll probably go to like something like mx or Maybe the gecko linux or sparky or something something different. Wait, have you tried just changing up the kernel? I'm the I'm not on an lts kernel. I'm on the the latest kernel Well, uh, have you you might want to just try just for the sake of argument Just try these in kernel since it's aimed more at desktops. It might have better support for your I know different desktop devices I could give it a try the thing is that this problem has been happening over multiple kernels So it's like it's been going on for a while. So it's been going on throughout five dot like 13 and all fight out 14 So I don't know I could give it a try. It's not gonna hurt anything, especially if I'm gonna hop anyways You know So I don't know. Yeah, that's gonna be that's gonna be a project for this weekend. Um, I'll see else. I'll update everybody next week on where I end up. It'll probably knowing me be right back on arco That's probably wouldn't be surprised. Like like we've done it. We've we've played this game before. All right I don't know what it is about this podcast, but every time we start My nose starts itching. It's the dumbest thing all right, anyway, so On that note, let's go ahead and move to the contact information. We're only 22 minutes in so we're only halfway towards The 40 minutes that we predicted You can get in contact with us if you would like to do so at twitter You can do it at twitter on twitter at the linux cast on twitter You can subscribe to all of our audio feeds and all that stuff at the linux cast.org That will just transfer you to our anchor dot fm page where you can literally subscribe to the podcast on basically any Podcatcher that you could possibly imagine We're on there's like 10 of them that we're officially on and there's also like an rss feed there in case you want to do it The old-fashioned way you could do it that way You can contact us via email email at the linux cast.org You can support us on patreon at patreon.com slash linux cast. Thanks everybody who does so I will thank you by name at the end you can follow Tyler who goes by zany on the internet at on odyssey and youtube and on discord his youtube channel is like Did you pass 850 this week? Is that did I see that? So he's he's passed 850. So he's like this close to a thousand. He like so close to a thousand We're gonna get him there by the end of the year or literally die trying And he's promised us all turkey by the way if he gets to a thousand subscribers because he's got like three turkeys Got plenty of plenty enough for everybody Well turkeys come on now and they're getting fatter every day Maybe because they're starving the chickens I would not be surprised Anyways, you can also subscribe to the linux cast on youtube at youtube.com slash linux cast Just uh, you know on a similar note. We're this close to 5 000 subscribers Like we're at 4.84 right now as we speak. So um, yeah And we're gonna get there by the end of the year or die trying I Like I I hate taking stuff for granted and Just assuming that the growth is going to continue the way it has but if the growth does continue the way it has Uh, it should see 5 000 in the next two weeks Yeah, uh, I will do a special stream or something to commemorate 5 000 but We'll see The original plan for 5 000 subscribers was to do the first live linux cast But we've already done that like you know, we've done that we've done a couple now on that on that subject We are going to live stream every other linux cast So we won't be doing next week. We'll do the week after At least for now eventually probably we'll do all of them right now. We're just doing every other one The way it's going to work is if you're in the live You know like the live chat You'll have access to this episode and the way we record it You'll get the pre-show you'll get the post show and all that stuff The video is not going to get deleted but immediately after we stop recording the video will go from public to unlisted Okay, and the reason why i'm doing that is because I want most of the views to go to the edited one Which will appear on friday It's when we did the whole split thing where I left both of them up Uh It split the views we got the same amount of views total if I combined them it just messed with my ocd the fact that we split them so i'm Don't mind me. I'm crazy down. It's just gonna we're gonna try it this way There's a good chance later on i'll change it again because that's what I do but for now What I probably will do is put a link to the unlisted video In the show notes. So if you want to go back and watch the chat if you can For the most part all we do it during the pre-show is bullshit about chickens and donkeys And although I don't think we messed we talked about donkeys. We talked about sheep and we talked about chickens and turkeys and Wagons. Yeah, that's that's basically what we talked about during the pre-show. So uh, you don't miss much You just you don't miss much anyways. So that's what's happening with that Um subject to change because i'm experimenting. That's the reason why we're only doing it every other one. Anyways, okay Gen two or nine front for the the five k special says f society. Uh, no No, uh, we we with the right amount of donations all paints from It could be it could be agenda. I was gonna say uh, we we know when gen two will happen Okay, uh, so anyways that is contact information now every single week tyler and I scour the internet for amazing linux news links And we come up with one each and this week we actually managed to find two links that were actually news which is um Better than impressive Like usually one or the other it was choose something different but this week they're actually new so tyler What news item did you choose this week? uh a Glorious little article on valve's new stable steam client update that has now brought some improved features for us including pipe wire Can now uh, you can now do desktop capture From pipe wire. Um, all you have to do is use the dash pipe wire command line option When you launch the steam client um Which is awesome And another one that I think is really good since we are our main topic is pretty much, you know about slower internet speeds And being stuff being at best or worst for that. Um, You also it also reduces the size of the vulcan pre caching. Um Stuff for that that you've got to download when you're going to play a game using proton So that's really awesome and for for those of you who like are limited or can't uh data from your provider amazing Because we all know we all know just how big some freaking games are call of duty Just expecting you to have an extra 160 gigs for it, you know, just because you've rich like that I So Every little bit they can scrape scrape off of The extra bits and pieces that you have to download to be able to play stuff like that awesome Yeah, that is cool. Um, I wonder Well, do you I mean They they have a uh like um Uh a memory good lord met names hard words Um, they have memory a memory card slot on the steam deck So do you think there'd be like a service from somebody probably not valve itself? But that like sells like memory like game cartridges for the steam deck that'd be Actually kind of really cool like even if it was like just like retro grams or something like that like I mean, I mean, I must know most people will just download that stuff But it'd be kind of actually cool To for people who you know couldn't have access to the internet to be able to go out and just say you want to I bought a few game cartridges with mario on it or something. That'd be kind of cool Yeah, well, I'll see the problem with that though is It's because it's going to be on a it's essentially just a micro sd card Uh card slot. I don't think I don't think many uh game publishers are going to be interested in making their games for um I'm just on that form. Yeah, it's not going to be the big ones. I'm going to talk about more like small like Linux e developers Maybe maybe Uh I just don't know though because if you've already got a big micro sd card slot in there Or already a micro a big micro sd in there Why not just download your small indie game to the sd card that you've already got But then also when it comes to distributing like the Like retro games and stuff. I mean already you're how you're acquiring those games. It's not technically The most legal route ever if you're downloading the realm so Yeah, I don't know. Um It was just but it but it is a cool idea People definitely could do the whole you know behind closed doors like hey, here's a game cartridge for like All of the NES games on it. Let's say it's just I I missed the days of actually having game cartridges like Just like you remember you go because there was something special about going to like the like Like even just like the local the local electronic store and buying the mario karts game or Getting mario 64 in a cartridge for christmas. You know, like you actually got something like Nowadays if your parents give you like a video game for christmas, what they're actually doing is handing you like a steam redemption code like This was really fun to unwrap, you know I don't know. Maybe I'm just getting old You know, it's like that It's not harder digital games are completely taking away the fun aspect of getting a game, you know Like unwrapping it and then having it to like hold on to for a long time Yeah, like oh and so I remember vividly The the nintendo 64 Getting that for christmas from my mom and dad and I remember how just Totally excited I was to get because it was my first brand new console every console I had before that had come from like a garage sale Like we weren't we never bought a brand new one before that one and it was just I mean It was such a special memory that I have in my head like nowadays. I mean First of all, I don't console game anymore, but also they're games. I mean like Like $80 a game is just way too expensive for me. I don't I don't yeah, it's just um, all right Or if you want to get the premium edition just just spend 130 bucks You got it you pay $80 for the game and then you don't get the whole game If you want more you have to get the down dlc which costs even more money Uh, this is why I'm not a gamer It's one of the reasons the other reason is I'm terrible at games, but I've been playing so this is done. I got on my phone I've been playing a game called let me look at this It's called apple night And it is like a like a 2d scroller type thing. It's really really fun There's another one called dan the man that is also similar and that one has is less mario and more Um Like I don't know how to explain other than he beats the crap out of people in 2d. It's kind of fun. It's really fun anyways So mobile games have turned my thing anyways You said mobile games guess what game I downloaded clash of clans you download clash of clans Yeah, I should I should actually download it which is create our own clan. I have I don't actually have it downloaded anymore Um, well, I have I had it on my old phone when I switched to my new phone I didn't redownload it because Unacceptable that was that was one of the core reasons that you said you couldn't get a linux phone. You have to at least keep it Yeah, well, I mean the the problem is I was so reluctant to join into a clan again because When you join into a clan you have to have there's a responsibility to be there and participate and Do wars and stuff like that because they have like every two days you have a war like a clan war where clans compete against each other And if you get in if you get put into a war you have to be there if you don't your whole clan suffers because Everyone has to do their two battles, right? So, um, I didn't want that responsibility Again, it was it was too much of a time thing because also at the beginning of the month They have something called clan war leagues where a whole bunch of clans are put into a league and they compete against other leagues and That takes place for the first seven days Of the month and you have just one battle each day But it's still something that you have to remember to do And uh, it just was something that I wasn't you know I know I mean being being a clan leader is is tough work It definitely is So, uh, maybe I maybe I will have to download it again and we'll have to play that that'd be fun. All right. Anyways Wow That was It was still gaming. So it was on topic. Okay. All right My topic for the week is uh more gnomes stuff I have had gnomes on the mind because I've been using gnomes. So I've been paying attention. You love gnomes Keep going you didn't hear me I killed him Dead all right, um All right, so gnom 42, which will be the next release of gnomes is finally going to have a gnar Uh, a good a gnar. I'm gonna call a gnarc mode gnarc mode They need to call it that this is not kd where you got to put a k in front of everything. Okay, that's all right They're gonna find how I have a dark mode preference and um They're doing it in a weird way. It's not going to be changing themes So like normally when you want to change a theme gnomes change to a dark theme You change to add a wate dark or whatever it is They're doing something a little bit different. I didn't really understand it. Um And leave it to gnom to do things like The hardest way possible. I mean literally you have a dark theme like add a way to has a dark theme just Swatch that swap that thing over Uh and literally I like I don't understand Like this is a color code situation where it's just literally changing color codes For the the widgets or whatever I don't I don't I mean I'm not a developer So I'm assuming there has to be more to it than that There has to be something that has stopped them from doing that from you know the beginning hold up No, I'm gonna go ahead and talk you there. I won't let any developer convince me that changing hex codes is that difficult No, I mean if you can if you can already display all of this information and everything You can go and change the hex codes for like don't don't try and convince There might be a lot of different hex codes to change. I'll agree with you there. It's time consuming, but it's not difficult I mean even if they don't Like uh, but the thing is is that gtk is is coded in I mean it's coded in c, right? Let's assume that is coded in c and I'm it's not python. It's not assembly language. I mean I mean see C and c plus plus and I think see all the other c variants all recognize hex code for colors Like I'm like as a non-developer so I could be completely 100 wrong But for sure for sure c plus plus does so Because we know that from dwm. It does support hex codes. So I mean the the changing colors now there has to like maybe the assets themselves Would have to be changed, but it doesn't Maybe that's not how they defined the colors. Maybe they didn't define the colors s hex codes I mean even then again, you're just changing the color code like Well, I mean If it is the assets themselves that are the colors and it's not defined by color codes, but instead like uh You know like the button itself is like an actual image like it's like a png file or something First of all, that's the way you're doing this. What what is this the 1990s? We have so many more problems There there has to be something there has to be something other than their stupid You know Path, you know, they've set themselves on there has to be something that has prevented them from doing this before um Like and I don't know what it is, but at least it is happening. So there will be a dark mode in gnom 42 Whether or not it'll be a good dark mode. We are gonna have to wait to see Uh, the the thing is Is I think that they will end up getting way too much credit for this Okay, so like elementary os 6 For all intents and purposes was a complete step back from elementary os 5 Like in terms of functionality and software availability and stuff like that Now they did have some cool accessibility features that are good and they spent some time on but the vast majority of their work for Elementary os 6 was spent with two things dark mode and instituting flat packs, which actually made elementary os 6 worse okay But it got good reviews because the dark theme was so good, right? It made it look very pretty and I think that the same thing is going to happen with gnom that They'll get a lot of credit For having a dark mode even though they're years late Even though it was literally not the hardest thing ever but I think They'll get so much more credit for doing this and and being a community forward. Oh, look at this We're listening to the community. They wanted a dark theme. Here you go and that's totally not Like this one thing does not wash away the rest of the The stinkiness that is on gnom because of their lack of interest in allowing people to customize If they truly wanted people to if they truly want it I mean, this is like the fourth week in a row. We've talked about this. So we don't really need to blame for the point, but seriously, just A lot of people install extensions from the app store Like no more that like it's literally all you have to do like all you have to do make make extensions first class citizens And we're good. Uh, like I don't even care about the themes like you're gonna have a dark theme Dark and light theme. That's all you need. I got like I can understand not wanting a third part To mess around with third parties, you know themes or whatever fine, whatever. I don't care I would like it, but leave that to the hacking community But the extensions are supposed to be part of your You know your system and you you have to go to a web browser Install a web extension In order to install them The one thing I am interested though is I I wonder if after GNOME gets some baked in dark mode if we'll start seeing people commenting more on wanting a change in the look of a dueta just because of how Like contrasted with black behind it. I have a feeling that you'll notice just just how much like Well, poo poo it looks they have to title. They have to change That icon thing like that would look absolutely like garbage with a dark theme Literally, I mean, I think it looks garbage for the light thing It does but it's gonna look way worse for the dark theme The thing is I don't think they're gonna change it. I I have seen nothing Of them saying that they're gonna change the icon and honestly the thing is Is the chrome around the windows of adawaita isn't the worst part of adawaita It's always been that icon theme that is just the worst part. It's so So bad. I don't know what designer out there Thought that this was a good idea But those icons are atrocious and they need to take their design card away from that person like that person should not be allowed to design things for like 90 days and have to go back to like design They should get like a youtube like band like for a little bit like you got a strike boy You just need to calm down You you need to go to like and vanto and vato elements or like one of those Tuts plus calm or something and have yourself a tutorial in gimpers or inkscape or something in good design because that is I mean obviously design is very subjective, but I only know a few people that like that icon theme and those people are all weird No, no offense. I love you all dearly. Okay But that icon theme is bad. All right. Anyways, um So that is the news and we're only 43 minutes into the show Thank you That's actually early for us So let's let's move on to the main topic the main topic this week was tyler So tyler tell us which we're going to be talking about for the main topic this week Is linux better than mac os or windows for very slow dial up ish speeds Which one would you all right? So let's say I take you I throw you into The edge of the desert just on the edge of society where you might still have some internet But it's real poo poo. It's real bad Which operating system not out of preference would you rather be stuck with? Okay, so I would answer linux But I don't think that the operating system at that point is going to have Very much impact on your speeds at all and the reason I'm not talking about speeds But you have to think about using it So I guess here here's a better question. Which which one out of those operating system would you rather get an update for? All right. No, okay. You're gonna have to say it again. You cut out there through me through it Oh Which one of those operating systems would you rather get an update for? Oh Well, that's easy. I would rather have something like a boon to or debbie in Linux because you're only going to get updates every once in a while for for them And if you don't update on those you're not going to break your system when you do update Like so definitely linux because you're not forced to update on linux. You can go through And just use your computer forever. I mean even if you chose arch in that scenario You can just use your computer forever and ever not update granted if you tried to update then you'd probably break stuff But with windows Especially windows you're forced to update like you have no choice unless you're you buy the like the the enterprise version of windows You have to update you can continue to put them put it off I think you can every seven days you have to go into the settings and tell it to Not You know update for seven days. You have to do that every seven days You can do that but I think that they limit you that to three tries and after that They force you to update and the thing about windows update is it's always in the background So you don't even know if it's updating so you um When you said dial-up I got a little scared away because Because I know there are still people who use dial-up like there are a lot of people who still use dial-up But I think a lot of people are still using Like dsl like dsl is much more popular even more than than dial-up is and the thing about dsl Is the farther you are away from like the node the slower it is because it's all you know It's based on you know like line of sight or whatever however it works But you know if you're in a like a dsl situation I wouldn't want to run windows because it's going to force you to update The difference is I would say It is that at least with windows you're only updating the the operating system with With linux when you do an update it updates everything so updates your browser updates every single piece of software You have so that is going to play into the situation the scenario a little bit because you're going to be downloading more I think with linux then you wouldn't necessarily with Windows because you're not updating everything when you update windows screen, but again, you're not forced to do that But I so out of the The trifecta of operating systems here. I think mac os gives linux It's actual run for its money because on mac os even though Technically it's going to force you to take updates, but not really on if you tell a mac not to update guess what it listens That's Mind blowing. I know microsoft you could really learn something there it listens to the user but When you do do an update you're not going to be updating all of the well You're going to get the updates to the apple software that comes with your pc But you're not going to be updating, you know the chrome that you've got to install firefox whatever you're using So it most likely is going to be smaller, but Also at the same time Mac does have the thing of where When you do an update you do have to reboot and it's going to apply the update while the system isn't an unusable state um Yeah But I think max do a much better job at compressing their stuff than Windows does maybe even a better job than linux does in a lot of cases So you might end up with a smaller download Yeah, I don't I don't know enough about mac to actually say so I couldn't really Put in any information on there. I do know That the ultimate solution it for at least if you if let's say you're forced to use windows The ultimate solution is just the unplugging computer from the internet. Like just don't connect to the internet at all And only do so when you know you absolutely have to because it's never going to try to update when there's no internet Because you actually have to have the internet in order updates. So that's your solution if you have Thanks, and then while you're plugged into this to the internet go through and hit that button to say don't do this for seven days um or three days or whatever it is and Then it's as long as you're only connected during those three days I mean it sounds like ass and I and to actually have to think about that, right? But I mean I know a lot a lot of people who don't have internet at their house at all and they just go to You know like the newest city or whatever in order to do their internet browsing and stuff again, and then they go back home like That's still the case. I mean and that's not just like in like The middle of africa or something that's like here in the united states Like there's some third places here in the u.s. That don't have good internet connection It's only been within the last five years at this house that I've had good internet connection You know um and even then I wouldn't qualify it as good You know, you know, I would qualify it as expensive There you go. I would call somebody tweeted out. I don't I don't know who it was. It was one of my followers on twitter They were a part of a thread where everybody was naming their price and speeds for internet I was shocked to see that a lot of people Like wherever quinn from snazzy labs is he has like google fiber He gets a gigabyte a gigabit speeds both up and down For 70 a month Holy christ, I wish right and one of my other followers He said he paid he had uh 100 megabits up and down for 12 dollars a month And I was like I pay 105 dollars a month just for internet I get supposedly supposedly this is what I pay for 200 megabits down And uh, I don't ever get that by the way never not even close. I get around a hundred and uh The the stupid thing is is the up The ups upload speeds have has not changed Since 2005 You know when we had this stuff we I still get 10 megabits up Like that's it. I'm really I'm surprised we can even do the podcast with those speeds these days, right? But yeah, that's that's literally what we get is I I would I would like give my right hand For having symmetrical speeds, but it just doesn't happen. We live literally there are horses next door Okay, so we live in the country. All right. We're talking about this, you know so the thing about internet is Everywhere it seems to be a mess um, and you know, I know it's kind of off topic, but uh I mean, it's not really. I mean, we are talking about internet speeds. It just it just bothers me. I think it bothers everybody, but What are we gonna do about it? Because what can we do about it? Like if you literally if you're in a place You literally have one choice for internet whether it's you know, Comcast or I have wow, which you know Whatever, I mean the last thing I would say when I talk about the service and uh from this company would be wow You know An exclamation I would be using um, so so let's transition a little bit into Old hardware because I look when you brought up this topic. I kind of thought about uh Old older hardware because I like I have an old think pad. I have that uh computer behind me that they're all older And I find it really interesting That Linux Still does such a good job on older hardware and I'm not just talking like Alex cute or you know, uh, Like Linux light or you know the develop the puppy linux the the develop distros that are meant for lower-end hardware even on that um Think pad which has a Like a 2011 processor in it like it's a 10 year old processor. I can still run like katie plasma On that system and it runs fine Like and like the most recent katie plasma like kaboom to or you know arch or whatever And um, that's just continually like astonishing. He's me. It's so good. I mean that's the reason why you use clinics Yeah, to me. I love the fact that we still like I I personally talk with on discord multiple people who are like Using still to this day until core to duo systems perfectly happy on linux Like if it was windows, could you imagine trying to use a core to duo on a windows 11 or 10? It would set it would set itself on fire. I'm pretty sure Like that'd be a case of self-immolation. Yeah Windows would be like, um, you don't have a processor in here. There there's just not one yes Like I was talking to somebody who was using uh, uh, I'm sure they said like a pentium four Like that thing that thing is 25 years old and they were now that it wasn't like Recent linux. Like it was like it was an old version of like, uh, maybe a boom two or something um But it was still running fine. Like it was still Perfect fine. It was still capable of getting like it might have been running 1404. So they were still getting freaking updates Like as of a couple years ago, uh, so so it was like that's just insane like the the It's so it's so awesome and this makes you kind of feel warm and fuzzy about linux because it's literally I mean, I don't want to channel dt here because he made that saving the planet thing but Like you're literally saving the planet a little bit way if you use linux on these older all their pieces of hardware um Plus, I mean we almost have to use old hardware now because you can't buy new hardware anymore Like it's without encountering Too many issues It's just not worth it. Come on And also now with prices being like seven times what they're actually worth Why purchase anything? All right, so Because I've been thinking that my computer has hardware problems, whether it does or not I don't I'm still hoping that it doesn't but I went through and just for shits and giggles Built a system on system 76 I was like, you know, if I'm gonna buy a new new computer I'm gonna support a small hardware vendor that you know supports linux And because I live in the united states and we don't have the plethora of awesomeness That is linux hardware that the eu has like tuxedo and slim book and all this stuff We don't have access to that and importing it would just make it obscenely expensive So I was like I built one on system 76 I was like the actual hardware like the the the the CPU and the case and all that stuff. It was fine. It came to like $1,800. I mean still expensive compared to where we were like two years ago, but that was without a GPU You added a GPU to it. It tripled the price Holy crap like they wanted like it was like a The 6800 the radion 6800 the Like I think it was like last year's AMD card they wanted like $1,400 just for the card and that's the AMD one If you wanted like a 3080 like an nvidia card it was like $4,000 Oh my christ like like I understand this is not system 76 fault fault because they're literally buying this stuff off the shelf You know, so they have to pay that price because that's what they're charging. I was like How is this not price gouging like this has to be there's no way the market has bared those prices like that's not I mean the There probably will be some like legal action after all this calms down because I mean if you remember they're the uh all of the Ram manufacturers got together hiked up prices of ram and everything and there was the massive court fall out from that But that still lasted a while Like ram was super expensive for like almost an entire year So yeah, and it's still just coming down like now I was looking the other day like um The thing is is it is actually $50 cheaper like I was looking because Again every time I have a computer problem with linux somebody blames the cheap chinese ram that I have in my computer So I was like well, maybe I'll just buy some new stuff And um, I was looking like they have some team group stuff for like 208 bucks And that's like 50 bucks cheaper than it was before so I decided I was wait a little bit and see if it came down a little bit more, but um, yeah So at least that has started coming down, right? Like I don't know prices are just stupid Okay, no Like like I don't understand it's like i'm not an economic sky, but it seems like we could probably do Something about this. I mean, yeah Just a little something would be nice I don't want to get into politics But they said that the number of people going to europe on vacation is like two times more than it was in 2019 Maybe a few people were going on vacation and more people are actually, you know working I mean we have ships waiting at the docks to have they have our shit on them Let's get that stuff off from there. Then you can go on vacation. All right, like I would go do that stuff But I have a job, okay Like I'm already working here. It's all right. Anyways, uh Anything else to say on the internet thing before we move on tyler? Nope. Thank we're good. All right good Moral of the story use linux in all situations. What kind of fucking question was that tyler use fucking linux I mean it was a question. Of course you use linux. I mean come on Anyways, uh, that's moving on every week tyler and I uh choose something we we use apps We do picks I call them apps. I call them picks. It doesn't matter what the hell the section is called Usually it's apps, but this so picks of the week tyler. What is your pick of the week? Mine is turbo stat, which is a beautiful little command line program, uh, which If you're are familiar with like lm dash sensors or the sensors command It essentially just it's going to spit out a lot more information You're going to get processor topology or topology frequency idle power states test sticks temperature power all that good stuff, um, and uh, like one of the things about it that I really like is you get the full breakdown between like tdi and Um, all the other different like it gives you a very good read out of all of your systems informations Um And if you're if you were looking for something like you wanted to do some torture testing Or just make sure that your system is thermally stable Um turbo stat's a great Great program for that um And also if you if you're like me and you had something where that You know something weird going on with your temperature is an idle and you wanted to figure out why turbo stat will help you do that within minutes It's it's beautiful. Is it just for the cpu or we'll also do like gpu temperatures and stuff? um It depends i'm pretty sure that it does support some gpu's and will give you some statistics on them um, but uh, you shouldn't expect it that like it should that if it does recognize your graphics card Or anything extra like that and gives you readouts like it did recognize My aio was in there. So it gave me a pump readout, but it didn't give me anything else Like it didn't recognize the fans or anything like that But yeah Further than your cpu and memory and stuff like that if anything else works. That's just a nice little cherry on top But for your main system specs Like your cpu. Yeah, you're gonna get a really good read out of info there Okay, i'll definitely give that a try. That's cool. I need to redo my temperature script for my bar So i've i've always used lm sensors for that, but maybe i'll try this instead All right, so my pick of the week is something called time trap and basically what time trap is is a time tracking application Cli application that allows you to keep track of time It's literally all does it's very powerful has a ton of different things you can go through and to keep track of different projects You can keep track of different uh You can have different sheets for like time tracking your like clocking in stuff like that if you do that stuff Um, this is really cool If you are like a freelancer or whatever and you have to have been taking freelance jobs where you can Hey, where you have to keep tracking your time work because you get paid by the hour This can do that and you can also have it saved so that you can then send it to the client if you need to So that they can actually read it in a reasonable way of doing it because it will output it It will output to certain Uh formats and stuff like that so it can be sent to other places Um, and it's really cool. So if you enjoy using things that are um Uh in the terminal and you don't want to deal with because If you've done any freelancing at all, you know that the time tracking applications that usually come with things like up work or Uh any of those like freelancing websites those things are almost always utterly garbage at one Point i they're no longer they no longer are but at one point they were all coded in adobe air Like What right because that's how that's how they did it so they could be cross-platform right because they needed They need that was before the days of electron. Uh, that's probably what they're in now is electron but What they needed to do was to be able to have an application that worked across platform That would take Periodic screenshots so that they could you could show proof of work So you could prove prove that you were going through and doing this now Time trap as far as I know won't take those screenshots as far I guess that I haven't played around with it that much But I don't think it will do that But it will at least allow you to keep track of your time So if if that whether or not that's something you're doing for a client Or something that you just do because you want to you know Keep track of how much time you've been spending on a project or whatever Time trap is actually really cool very powerful and obviously in the terminal. So you get your nerd cred as well. So it's written It's written in ruby so If you're gonna get into the code you'd have to know know know some ruby, but It is very good. And I've noticed that it's actually really really fast. So it's not something that you have to worry about You know taking too much resources in terms of time and stuff. So it's actually really good. And if you go through and do Assign aliases to several like the flags and stuff like that you can go through and just have aliases so that you don't have to type out Everything that you would normally have to type out if you're using the application So aliases are actually really good for this application as well. So that's time trap I don't know why In some places it's called time strap and sometimes it's called time trap, but it is time trap I wrote time strap, but it is time trap. Okay Because typing is hard as well as speaking so Yeah, yeah, so that coming up next week on the podcast we're going to be Talking about the best color schemes So that should be a fun and entertaining thing so what I think we'll do Tyler is we'll each come up with our top three color schemes and That are like official someone else created color schemes like whatever and we'll talk about them How in depth we'll get I don't know it's going to be the nerdiest episode you've ever come across because I mean who else is going to sit there talk about color schemes for like half an hour and that's definitely going to be fun Anyway, so that's coming up then the episode after that Is our git lab challenge? So, uh, I actually have to go through and actually do that now So same We have to so that'll be the episode after that So that is it uh for uh on this episode before I go I'd like to take a moment to thank current patrons Devon Chris east coast web gen 2 is fun too Patrick L Marcus Megwin Sven Jax knife tool Steve a Mitchell art center Merrick camp Joshua Lee J dog and the bsd is rock And my patrons keep continuing to to troll me with their names The bsd is rock and uh gen 2 is fun to love you guys Keep your names as they are because I finally got this thing Down so I can save them without having to You know realize the gen 2 is fun too gen 2 is fun too. Of course gen 2 is fun too Gen 2 is fun too for other people All right, but it's good anyways, um, so that is this for this time. We'll see you next week