 Welcome and it is time for Mackie Cab today. We are doing a lot of cool stuff found So we're starting off with cool stuff found from listener Andrew who in our discord told us about this free little app Menu bar item called reminders menu bar. We'll put a link in the show notes. It's hosted over at github It's a simple little menu bar app to view and interact with your reminders You can get everything happens in the menu bar You can keep everything in sync with Apple reminders. You can create new reminders in your chosen list You can mark reminders as completed or uncompleted. You can rename them all that stuff This is why that is cool stuff found and this is what you're gonna hear more cool stuff found more quick tips Whatever beats to it over there. We're probably gonna need to stop but that's okay More quick tips like this your questions answered more cool stuff found Here on Mackie cab 954 for Monday November 7th 2022 Greetings folks and welcome to Mackie Cab the show where indeed you send in your cool stuff found your quick tips your questions We try to answer your questions. We share your quick tips. We share your cool stuff found The goal is that we each learn at least five new things every single time we get together Sponsors for this episode include Zock doc where you can go to Zock doc comm slash Mgg you sign up for free there. It is you sign up for free Download their app and then that's the easiest way to find a great doctor and instantly book an appointment You can do this today. We'll talk more in depth about that in a little bit For now here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton And here in Fairfield, Connecticut. This is John of prawn The greetings from Glendale, Arizona Pilot Pete good to be back. That's good to have you back Pete. Yeah, we missed you last week Yeah, well, although I would have rather been here than where I was so well, you know You know, I was on my back for four days after that. I had a bad reaction to the anesthesia. It was it was ugly Well, I'm glad you're back. Yeah, it's good. It's good to have you back We have a ton of cool stuff found as promised last week Let's but we're we've got a couple of quick tips that I think are are gonna be important In fact one if we weren't doing cool stuff found today, this would have been my opening quick tip because this blew me away Mr. Jeff Wilson on Twitter tells us in response to last week's episode Facepalm guys in the wallet app on the iPhone You can rearrange your credit and loyalty cards by simply holding down on the card until it expands and then move it Around to where you want it the card in the front is your default card. I Wish I had known this years ago like talking. Okay, so here's one new thing. I've learned today already like this is Amazing I don't Thanks for making the sound That sounds not gonna work we got to get a better sound because that it's got too much resonance in it With the idea then this this goes yeah, it goes it goes too long I think maybe the magical bell every time we learn something, you know It's like that down that arcade score sound has it's got too much like mid-range Resonance it interferes with where speech lives Anyway, but this is why it's an experiment. It's fun, right? But yeah, I wish I'd known this years ago So it got like amazing There here's the thing bugs me Dave. Okay You can rearrange your cards on the phone Right, but on the watch you can only rearrange your Credit cards it does not or at least I haven't figured out yet, but I I can't rearrange my loyalty cards I got a question. I wonder if the loyalty cards mirror. What's on the phone? And you know, that's another annoyance is that when I first set up my watch all I saw was credit cards. I mean you have to go You have to go through the dance of putting in the CCV for each of your cards again, and it's yes, man But now the loyalty cards like, you know, my local grocery store has a barcode that they scan Those did not appear immediately and that's some one of the weird things that I found about the watch experience is that not everything is put on the watch immediately and That it Background updates like yeah, for example, I was like where are my loyalty cards? And then you know, I checked like a day or two later and it's like oh now they're there now that that's nice Interesting Yeah, but you can't but so your loyalty cards on your watch don't match the order that you've put them in on your phone They don't remember that. Yes. Oh Yeah, yeah as Kiwi Graham in the chat at live dot mackey cub com. I said that right points out the watch sink has always been slow, but These days it's really fast compared to what we used to have to deal with so yeah, right Yeah, and one other point about that quick tip is you do not need your phone with you to use Apple pay You can regardless whether you have any what kind of watch you have you don't have to have a cellular watch That little token rides with you in the watch so you can use Apple pay without your phone And just the same is true of the phone is that the token lives on the phone So as long as your phone has power it does not need a data connection for you use Apple pay Yeah, yeah. No, it's an important thing to remember Yeah, because it because it's easy for any of us to assume that it's got a like talk to the cloud Nope, the the machine that you that you tap it on is the one that talks to the cloud You know, yeah, and I noticed that when when I used Apple pay on the watch as you pointed out Dave the Virtual ID is different and I actually verified this and that you know You can you can see the virtual ID on the watch And when I looked at my receipt the last four digits of my ID was also in the receipt, so Make sense. Make sense. Cool. Hey Pete We ran into an interesting thing this week that that became a quick tip You texted me and you're like, hey, can I delete all this stuff? All the Mac geek up agendas in the Google Drive because I'm running out of space you might if I erase Mac geek app.com and Yeah, cuz we have a shared shared folder on Google Drive that we were using and I was like, well Jeez, I'm banging my head against a 30 gigabyte limit and out of nowhere It's like but I went in there and the main thing that was in my Google Drive was all these MGGs dating back hundreds of shows sure like well Could that be it doesn't seem like it, you know text doesn't take up That much data but right so start and but I could not figure out what it was and I finally it didn't even occur to me to log Yeah, I thought I was logged in on my drive that I would go in and hit manage and nothing was coming up like yeah Finally, I don't know how I got there But I think it was you said hey go back and check photos and I did I checked my Google photos And it's somehow still and I still haven't I've been too busy to go in and figure out how to turn it off But every photo I take on my telephone Worked with Google photos and it's uploading it to the cloud and stuff that I delete off my phone guess where it stays On Google photo on Google. It's off my cloud Yeah, I mean there's receipts and all kinds of stuff that I just don't need so Literally gigabytes and gigabytes of photos are taking up all this space on my Google Drive So and and you the quick tip is you found that out by going to one dot Google Dot-com O N E dot Google dot-com storage and you can see it Google calls everything your drive and that includes your Gmail, which is where I thought your storage was being used, you know, but But I turned my Gmail off once ago sure Well, maybe people are still sending stuff to that and they're not sorry to mean it or no you're totally fine Yeah, yeah, but that's that's the quick tip is is visit one dot Google dot-com storage It's linked in the show notes and you will it will tell you where on your quote-unquote Google Drive Your storage is being used and one of the categories is Google Drive and then there's Gmail and then there's photos And it turns out I too have nine gigs of photos on my Google Drive that I don't like Mike I know I put them out there. I know it was me But I don't remember when or why or yeah, it's like you were smart enough to turn it off at some point Happy accident. You know what? It's a it's not a mistake. Yeah, it's a happy accident. There you go Yeah, there you go. I'm wearing my Bob Ross shirt today brought my don't get caught shirt I got to put it on before the show if you want to don't get caught shirt like Pete didn't wear today You can go to that geek up comm slash merch and get your own for sure I have one last quick tip before we move into the realm of cool stuff found Lawyer Jeff sends this one in and I swear I will find it says one thing Apple Hasn't mentioned was that if you move your iCloud photos to a shared photo library Then you won't be able to see those photos on an iPhone or iPod touch with iOS 16 or earlier Not on an iPad with iOS 15 or earlier or not on a Mac with Mac OS Monterey or earlier or Not on an Apple TV with TV OS 15 or earlier or on a PC with iCloud for Windows 13 or earlier So essentially you need to be running Apple's operating systems as of fall 2022 in order to participate or even see the photos in a shared photo library So be very careful if you move your stuff over it's kind of like when reminders changed Number of years ago you can migrate to the new version But once you do any devices that either aren't or can't run the current OS's will not be able to see them So bear this in mind. Yeah, so we've got a 2013 iMac that mom is using and yeah She won't play with Ventura. So yeah, yeah, it's how it be. Yeah, darn it. Gotta get a new iMac now Well, Pete Apple has a solution for you, don't they do that? Oh, that's awesome. Okay Hey, you know battleship was that fun game that we played when we were kids, right? Well as an adult calendar battleship is the frustrating game We play with our doctors trying to find when we're both free for an appointment in like three months or whatever Wow with our sponsor Zock doc booking an appointment with a doctor that suits your needs fits your schedule is in your network And is in your neighborhood is easy Zock doc is a free app that shows you doctors who are patient reviewed Take your insurance and are available when you need them. I've used Zock doc. It's fantastic It's exactly like I just said you go online and you look and you find your doctor and Then you book the appointment and you can see what other people have thought about your doctor So that you can pick with a little bit of knowledge and it's fantastic It's just as easy as ordering a ride to a restaurant or getting delivered to your house You search find and book doctors with a few taps and reading those verified patient reviews from real people who made real Appointments now when you walk into that doctors office You're all set to see someone in your network who gets you go to Zock doc comm MGG and download the Zock doc app for free then start your search for a top-rated doctor today Many are available within 24 hours that Zoc doc comm MGG Zock doc comm slash MGG and our thanks to Zock doc for sponsoring this episode All right, it is time for cool stuff found Steve Hammond starts us off He says for those looking at a replacement for Lightroom Raw power looks very cool and is very affordable and That's fantastic. I love things like this the raw power. It's from gentlemen coders calm and and It looks really to be there's a lot of people in the in the discord that commented on on this post from Steve Hammond I Can't remember if it was Steve or someone else who taught Photoshop for years and said oh, yeah, you know, this is like this is a thing It's got this whole photos library browser a lot like what Lightroom had so thank you for that Steve I know a lot of people are looking for things like this and like my guess is that's why gentlemen coders makes it so Fun stuff have either of you tried it. I've never been a Lightroom person. So this was not for me I have not I use acorn by flying me Yeah, well, yeah, I think I think a little different. This is more for organizing your photos not editing your photos Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I just I let go and let photos a long time ago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah All right, speaking of things that are for me though I have been happy that with Ventura having been released if you go to Amazon and search for Continuity camera mount you can finally find all kinds of continuity camera mounts and I've got to that That I've that I've gotten and am happy with the first one is from pow rig And and again the link is in the show notes Both of the ones that I'm going to mention today leverage the idea of using a tripod mount on top of With a tripod mount that can hold your phone. I don't know why this didn't exist before continuity camera, but Now it does so thank goodness for that this power rig one sort of takes the design idea that many webcams use Where you've got the webcam that sort of cantilevers on top of the monitor and then you you you control the angle of the the sort of the back of it to sit against your monitor and And sit at the right angle, you know depending on the thickness of your monitor like most logitech webcams kind of have this thing and then you would pop your iPhone into the somehow I'm showing this on my on on our live stream here, but you pop your iPhone into the into the Just like a little friction grip. This one doesn't use MagSafe. There certainly are some on Amazon that use MagSafe and that's fine The other one that I've been looking at is from I don't even know what the brand is it's but it's bendable kind of takes the same Idea using a grip tripod mount for your phone of a pressure, you know a pressure grip tripod mount and it You can adjust the angle because the the back of it isn't just a hinge. In fact, it's not a hinge It's just a very adjustable piece of rubber that's clearly got some metal in it or whatever And you just sort of bend it to the way you want and it it holds that way and then you can kind of sit your your phone in it, but really what I'm here to point out is that just go to Amazon and Search for continuity camera mount. Certainly you see the Belkin one I'm not sold on the idea of a non adjustable angle For these things and I know that our webcams that are built into our max are not adjustable with the angle But that's always sort of driven me crazy Move the angle right exactly which is what I found myself doing after I used continuity I would grab my in my laptop and start moving it and go. Oh, yeah, it's not working Because it's different. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so yeah, I don't know but the good news is yesterday when we prepped the show the Two mounts that I talked about were not available on Amazon as of today. They are available on Amazon So but again, there's just tons of them clearly lots of cottage industry Innovation happening here and I love that. That's it's fan freakin tastic. So Dave What's crystal wall safer the ability to zoom and and change profile to portrait and that kind of thing? Well, I Think Apple will introduce that in a year or two because right now. Yeah, we were having this conversation pre-show the issue with continuity camera is That you just get whatever your phone sees you don't have the ability to zoom or or do really do anything with with the camera However apps like re incubates camo or shoot which work totally fine with these types of mounts on any Mac not just max running Ventura I Do allow you to do zoom and all kinds of things and so here in the studio I haven't updated a ventura yet for you know for reasons that I've explained in previous shows. I will eventually But I'm I'm still at the moment using re incubates camo But but shoot which we've mentioned on the show a couple times is is you know another one So yeah, that's that's the I think that's your answer because you can do all of that right now With those yeah, so but who knows maybe it's possible for a third party to tap into the continuity camera stream And and tell the phone because the idea is you want the phone to be doing the hard work here The like the iPhone is great at that heavy lifting and that's what like re incubates camo If I want to use a like a portrait mode like a the bokeh view with the blurred background It does that for me the phone does it you know and the zoom happens on device And so I'm getting the the best the phone can deliver I'm not taking like a lot of times with webcams, you know, you you get Whatever the webcam sees and then you're just doing sort of on computer digital zoom Which is generally not nearly as good as what the phone can do again It's leveraging all the smarts that the the crazy math programmers in in Cupertino and beyond You know and where it is there's a pretty good camera in that phone. So that's what I've heard Even old phones, it's like better than your webcam. So all right, John keep us moving along. Would you please? Graham has something for us. Okay, so we were talking about how to control your monitor a while back Anyway, so Graham says I had a few spare minutes while waiting for a backup to happen So I decided browse through setup offerings, which keep expanding. Yes, they do. Yeah, I Came across Display buddy, which seems to answer the question that I had a few weeks ago about using keyboard keys to control brightness on an external monitor There's probably a lot of different outcomes depending on which Mac you have which monitor you have and which connection method you have chosen But at least for me with my M1 MacBook Air my USB-C connected Dell 27-inch 4k monitor this app seems to recognize and control the monitor quite fine It mentions it tries to use the DDC Slash CI communication protocol, but I see in its preferences. It has a couple of other options as well Which is neat? Full adjustment options are available by its menu bar icon But you can assign keyboard shortcuts and you can tell it to use the standard keyboard brightness keys Operate the top rate and all display simultaneously, which is my favorite And yeah, I checked it out and I like it. It's It offers more so we mentioned Another package a while ago monitor settings. Yeah, and that works, but this works better The thing I like is that you can select the protocol that you use to chat with your screen And as mentioned, there's DDC Slash CI which is some sort of standard, but then it also has Apple display protocol and software control and Depending on which one you pick you may get more or less options like for example when I had it Set up one way all I could do is set the brightness when I chose another protocol Oh now I can set the brightness the contrast and the volume. So So there we go. Cool. Fun stuff is I love I love this is what I love about cool stuff found episodes And that's available and set up. I like it. Cool All right, RAL 65 in our discord, I believe Suggested it says I've been working on a project for a company and Needed to provide a hundred and eighty PDF documents with customer contract terms the PDF files weren't named Descriptively enough so I went on a hunt for a tool that would let me automatically rename each PDF based on specific content from within The file. He said I considered using Python, but assumed I would spend too much time figuring that out So I found a tool called PDF zone. I can't say enough of positive about it It worked flawlessly It also has the ability to extract content from PDF files statements invoices and the like and I built a seat and build a CSV file With the information that you need They have a limited free version and a paid pro version for 40 bucks and you can get the limited free version in the Mac App Store, thanks for that RAL 605 in discord. That's pretty cool. That is cool I was gonna say, you know, Hazel will do the rename for you, but I don't think she'll extract to Yeah, right like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. I like it. That's slick Yes, slicker than a mouse is here as my friend Sid Rich used to like to say so I wonder what happened to Sid Rich I hope he's all right. He's good Um Rob sends in a fantastic CSF for us. He says You were having a discussion about Synology and security He says I offer the following and this is a the IP block list from Marius hosting I keep meaning we got to get Marius on the on the show here Marius is Like you think we're nuts about Synology, no, no Marius takes it to a whole other level in fact I believe Marius hosting calm is hosted on his DS 15 22 plus The actual website is hosted there But but it's for blocking IPs this list is for blocking IPs of all those Bad actors that are trying to you know hack into your Synology You can just have it block these IPs and you can keep this list up to date and all of that. So you just add the lists and Marius takes care of the rest for you, which is pretty cool. I'm stoked to try that. Uh-huh. Yep. I know Thank you, Rob. It looks like so in the screen that you have up on our live stream shows it This it looks like there's an app for the Synology to make this work Yeah, you use being there. Well, you go into control panel security Protection and then you can import the block list in there From, you know, direct from Marius. So yeah, yep. Yep. Yeah, it's all built the the Functionality is the framework is built into the Synology and then you just import the list that Marius Yeah, I guess he's gotten a few but state bad actors and that kind of stuff Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right Hey, if speaking of the live stream if you're watching the live stream, you might have noticed that that my My video image is backlit and my purple walls look a whole lot more purple And that is because I am running you mean to say purple or they are purple or I I you mean to say purple or if there was never a title That's it. That's the title of the show for so so far anyway But yeah, it's I'm using the Eve light strip Its list price is 80 bucks. You can get it on Amazon for 60 We've got a link in the show notes or at least it's 60 as of this moment You know how those things are on Amazon fully home kit compliant I literally set it up in the studio this morning before recording the show and I was kind of running late But it didn't matter it took all of five minutes to set it up because you know, it's home kit you plug it in You scan the QR code. You're good to go and of course because it's home kit I can control it from all of my devices. I can turn it off. I can turn it on. I can change the colors of it and Even better. I can have it automated So that when my podcasting focus mode turns on Those lights turn on with the color that I want and when my podcasting focus mode turns off Well, guess what the lights turn off. So yeah, pretty stoked about it. That's I might even say purplest Those are the purplest walls. I've ever seen. They are the purplest walls. You've ever seen. That's right. So I Like it. Thanks to see that. Okay. That sound effect. I'd like that was good. That's good Yeah, there you go. So yeah, it's good. I mean it as soon as these showed up I was like these would be perfect for a backlight for the you know Because you want to have that three-point lighting thing going on and and to have something soft and warm Lighting my purple walls. I never thought about I thought I would want them like red or something And that's what I set them to when I first turned it on. I'm like, okay. Yeah, that looks good Like I wonder it. Does the purple actually make it more purple and make it more better? Yes, it's it's purpler. It's purpler. So anyway Uh, yeah fun stuff All right, john, what are you taking us to next? Uh, I'm gonna take us to um patrick. All right um And patrick points out that this site from apple verifies the ports of incoming and outgoing mail servers Evidently the reinstall had changed mine. So I changed them to what this site says and it works great now Never knew about this and uh Link to it. It's support dot apple dot com slash mail Yeah The neat part about it is that It doesn't know about just apple like your mac dot com or iCloud dot com But it'll give you settings for other mail servers Not all Um most most that I tried It would it would give the settings for example, I have a yahu dot com Email and so, you know, I punched in my address and it's like, oh, yeah, okay, you know, it's uh You know, it's uh iMap and it's on this port and here's the uh the address of the server So it's a handy tool if if you're having Uh problems with your email if you can even find where to set these settings up which apple keeps moving it Around within mail. It's true. It's true. Yeah, well, it's cool. I mean when you find a mail server with which it works It's great because not only does it tell you What ports to use but it tells you what your username would be like it knows the formula of okay Here's how you should go about this Uh, I'm finding that it only works with what I would call the very very major You know publicly traded email providers I I tried it with my fast mail addresses fail I tried it with a mail route address fail, you know, so they don't have much in there But the ones that they have super handy. Yeah I wonder, you know, you you said that correctly that apple keeps moving and obscuring Where to adjust these things that the flip side of that though is mail dot app on all of our devices Tends to just get it right nowadays And so I wonder if support dot apple dot com slash mail is using the same sort of knowledge Pool that mail is so that when you put an email address and it's like, ah, I know what to do I'm going to go get the I'm going to fetch the right settings and take care of this for you My guess is yes, but you know, you know what happens when we when we assume p Things get things get more less purple Yes, things get less purple. Yeah. Yeah, if we assume then they get all weird and it's not like Yeah, we got to get back into more purple or mode You know, I don't oh god. Sorry. I was gonna say it If you want to say stay on mail and then go. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No stay on mail Tell us about your mail thing. Please p. Yeah. Thank you Oh, no that mine was mine isn't mail mine's messages But it has to do with a new system because I know you have a you have a mail thing from uh from duck duck Oh that I do that I do. So yeah, let me stay on that then. All right. Uh, I'm so full of knowledge today everyone Yeah, here we go. So no something. Yeah So duck duck go has uh Come out of beta and opened it to everybody to get an at duck dot com personal email and you so mine is uh Well, I won't say mine because uh, I actually want to use it to keep I want to be able to keep that one But you can get Let me back up You're at it forwards address you get the email address at duck dot com and it forwards to your personal email So you don't have to set up any new servers or anything like that And the way to get it is you go download the duck duck go browser on your iphone Um, possibly on your ipad as well. I'm assuming it works on all ios type devices And then go to the ellipsis the three dots at the bottom right and go settings and then email protection Uh down near the bottom and then go to get started next accept the terms Choose your at duck dot com address and it'll tell you know, that one's taken or yeah, you're good to go Uh and then put in the address to forward it to your personal email And then use that address when filling out forms Uh, but the other cool thing about this is you can generate infinite Uh random addresses at duck dot com, you know bcbd Or you know klv at duck dot com and fill that out with your email And then when you notice you're getting spammed at that email address just turn it off Nice Yeah, and then the other cool thing about the at duck dot com when someone fords you As you know when you click on a link in your email If you open that link and really look at it and go well What's in there and you see the question mark and either all that string of stuff that's tracking you That's uh making see where you go on what are you buying those kind of things The at duck dot com strips all that out before it forwards it to you It just gives you the working link So it makes it much harder to track you Um, so I that's cool. Yeah, I started using that and then there is a way To get it to appear to come back from like I could send mine back from my at duck dot com Email address, but you need an spf record on your server and I don't have one Ah so SPF isn't the worst thing I mean, it's you don't put the spf record on your server. You put the spf record in your dns Um, I mean it would be in your dns server. It's not on your mail server It's in it's in your it's on your dns server and there are wizards like like little templating things that will Create your spf record for you because if you screw it up You can essentially block people from being able to send you mail never get mail again. Yeah I mean ish You know, uh, but I've used spf wizard net before to create mine. I never create them from scratch I I always let an engine do it because you know because I'll screw it up. I'll fat finger something And so uh spf wizard is a great little tool. You just kind of put in, you know, your domain and You know it as soon as you start doing that it starts filling out, you know, and it says You know, do you want your outgoing mail servers or your incoming mail servers to be able to send mail? And if you say yes, then it adds the right things to that and you know, yeah, there's okay So I may I may be able to figure this out then you can figure it out. Pete I get yeah, you know, this isn't it it is somewhat voodoo But there are people out there who will walk you through the voodoo and help you get it right So, yeah, nice. Yeah, and then you just add it as a txt record In your dns txt is has become and it's fantastic. It's become this catchall for these sorts of things It's not a you know, there's not an spf type of record It's a it's a txt record and you just add, you know that and and uh And mail servers know how to look for it. So and Geez, I hate to ask the stupid question, but the question is stupid record. Yeah, just stupid questioners. I know So the txt No, no, no, no It's not stupid questioners. It's less purple questioners because there you go We're all full of purple in our own ways and we're just gonna share the purple with each other I don't know where this is going, but no, I'm just wondering where's that txt record? Is that at my server or is that on my yeah, that has to be at my server at my host my It's a dns record. So just like you would If you have your own domain which which you do otherwise you can't do this, right? um you would go in Just like you would to point to your web page or to your mail server, right? Yeah, I was just thinking the wrong thing. Okay. I'm trying to get what dns server. Am I using to get out to the world? I have to go to my To my server host I use yes, I have to go. Okay. Yes Your dns host and put in dns records correct a txt record indeed. Yeah, got you correct. That's it I know that's a great. I was gone for a while No, that was a great question because i'm sure Honestly, so for those of you don't know obviously pete's been doing the show with us for a very long time, but not since the beginning p Started as you know, I I say quote-unquote just a listener that I like You know us here where we embrace all of you, you know this we're part of the same thing and pete you suggested coming on the show Because it was before we had any sort of Livestream happening while we were recording and what would happen is we would say stuff and we would say stuff like that And we would make perfect sense to you and it made perfect sense to us, right? But then we would get lots of questions from people who would say, uh, you got to explain that better and was like crap Yes, we do have to explain that better having you here. You were our first real-time feedback engine Right. Yeah, you were you were living the dunce Living breathing. Yeah, but like this is super important because sometimes john and I forget to ask these questions of each other And it's really important. So no, it's and obviously, you know, your role here has evolved into Far more, but I very much appreciate this. It's great and and the same for everybody at live.makikev.com Who does the same thing? Yeah discord. Yeah in discord. Yeah. Yeah, exactly All right, john Let's talk about uh charging stations. Shall we we shall say great. Um So, yeah, so once I got my apple watch, which does come with the charger, but as far as I can tell it's proprietary Right. Yes. Yes, and that it's not chi. Well, it's kind of chi But You can't use a chi charger to charge your watch not use apples. You have to use the little puck. That's right So, um, I decided to explore some options. Um And i'll give you my favorite once I talk about these two. So the first one that was mentioned by kansas dave Um, is the e-lago dual charging station What is this you may ask and i'll tell you what is that? It's an enclosure and dave's putting it up on the screen. It's an enclosure For your existing, uh pucks So one is the larger one that is magsafe Um for your phone and then the smaller one is the one that came with your phone Now the thing is came with your watch came with your watch. Uh came with the watch. Um I already had one of these um, uh Or I actually have two of the larger phone magsafe chargers So i'm like, yeah, let me try this out. Um, and it works great. Uh, you know, you you mount your phone You can see your phone. Um And and you can all also see your your watch. So I like it and it's inexpensive though. Once you add the cost of the apple charger Um, yeah, it's 27 dollars on amazon Naked like it it's a it's a cool. It's like this triangular design with like a big triangle Where the magsafe for your phone goes and a little triangle sort of suspended off of that for your watch It's it I love the design. It's it's great 27 bucks And then bring your own puck It starts to you know become less economical, but I mean it's it's looks great I I I love and and I put this one by my Nightstand, I'll tell you why in a moment. Okay, but then I'm like, you know what? Let me let me see what else is out there and As we discussed and so I bought one of these two, um apple makes something called their magsafe duo charger Sure, and it's the same concept. So it has um two pucks One is for your phone Like the other one and then the second one is for your watch But then you look at this and you're like, well, how am I gonna get my watch to like, you know talk to this I mean you could take your watch off and flip it Flip it around so you think it can then put it in there, but that's kind of Kind of cheesy Here's the deal you can take The phone charger and you can push it up so then you watch charger watch the watch watch That's okay. I got you. I got you. Um But yeah, you you you can put up the watch charger at a 90 degree angle and then you can put your watch On the pad, um Yeah, so, um You know, it's a little it's a 129. So it's not cheap. Um The only problem that I have with it. So my favorite is the one that I mentioned first Here's the only thing that I learned by doing exhaustive testing not too exhaustive, but um It doesn't do fast charge on the watch Which one doesn't do fast? The the apple magsafe duo charger when I read up on it. Interesting. It says oh by the way, so Two weird things one is that It's a usb-c to lightning connection Hmm I was expecting usb-c to usb-c, but no Yes, it's old I mean that that it like there will be a new version of this that comes out Right that I that I believe solves both of those problems because that's how apple is. Yeah Uh, better than that. I mean the the design is great and it you know charges the phone at pretty much full power. So, um but I I like the elago thing because Using apple's puck you will get fast charging Right, right because you bring your own puck that makes sense. Yeah, my issue with the the apple one is My experience with charging my watch on its side is Mixed it it it tends to depending on what the band of the watch is doing It can cause it to sort of fall off of the puck and it sucks to wake up and be like oh my watch isn't charged Not be charged. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that begs the question. You know, you get the two that you once fast charging one isn't Is is one harder on the battery? Did not they say that the fast charging is done intelligently and so the answer is no but I mean, you know like It's probably it's probably not a binary answer. It's not yes or no. It's It's it like the amount to which it's terrible for the battery is not going to be noticed by most people Over the the predicted longevity of the watch. I'm making it up I'm making it because I just wanted to state that, you know, a couple weeks back We reviewed that $40 one that I bought over amazon and it's not a fast charger for the for the apple watch It takes hours The puck that came with it In it, you know, I can go from 15 to full in an hour hour and a half. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and I found at least with apple's product It charges the watch at about At least my watch At the level it was at it does about a percent a minute Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll have to benchmark the the fast charging to see what the difference is Yeah, there you go. To me the thing is I mean, I I can go and I I think you guys would Echo this but I can go at least the day on a full charge on the watch sometimes too depends on how much Activity you're tracking like if you do a workout or something that's going to burn more battery Only because it's checking your heart rate more frequently and and you know awake more frequently But yeah, I mean I can start even with workouts. I can get a day in It's just, you know two days. No, but yeah, you're you're point On the phone side of things peat also stands or your point about battery charging on the phone side stands If a company doesn't pay apple to be certified as magsafe It can only charge the phone at seven and a half watts not 15 watts And you'll see it on the phone like the phone when you're on a true magsafe charger You get the little magsafe circle that appears on the phone When you're on a magnetic charger that holds the phone with its magsafe ring You don't get the little circle, but you save a ton of money. However I've now got three. Well, I've got one more While we're on the subject of chargers. I've got one more Three in one to Share and then I think I've got the final word on these Comparing all of them that we've discussed So the three in one that I want to share first is a new one to me It's the anchor three in one cube with magsafe and it is a what maybe you maybe a two inch cube It's somewhat heavy. It's heavier than you would think because it has to hold your phone Why because you flip up the top of the cube and now your phone can sit on that And this is magsafe. It's also 150 bucks just like the belkin one because you've got to pay the magsafe tax Oh, man, I just okay mag on mag unsafe Mag unsafe. I just crashed my phone into the mixing board. So I think everything's okay Dave are you still there? Hello? Thanks, p. Just uh, but anyway, yeah, your your phone sits on this And if you're not shaking it around it, uh, it works fine It's because it's only a two inch cube Everything sits sort of low to the bedside table or the desk or whatever you have it on and when I say everything It's because it's a three in one not a one in one. So not only does it charge your phone in a magsafe format Uh, it charges your watch with a little pullout Uh stub that comes out of the side and the nice part about this stub is even though it's low to the ground It your watch sits on top of it So gravity gets to be your friend and hopefully if your watch band isn't pushing up too much gravity keeps your watch on the You know on the charger for as long as you want it to be there and then finally it is three in one Once the phone magsafe thing is flipped up There is a chi pad underneath Where the phone pad came or the where the yeah where the phone magsafe thing came from And that's where you could put your air pods or really anything that can fit in there That can charge chi on this one because of the angle of the the way the top of the cube sort of opens up You cannot put another I couldn't put another phone in there to charge Um, but you could put air pods in there and and it works and so for a travel three in one Like I said, it's 150 bucks. It's uh, but and but that's All because of the fact that it is truly magsafe Uh as a travel charger It the size is great, but it's heavy. It's like probably almost a pound So yeah, but it has to be so that when your phone's on it, it doesn't tip over Um, so because it's not cancer levered or anything. It's just using its weight. So I but I would say for travel if if you're not right up against weight limits This is a great thing because it's super easy to plug it in usbc It comes with a a usbc char charging brick But you can use any usbc that's offering power delivery and and it's it's anchor right so Um, so there's that one right and and and that's the the anchor three in one And then there is the belkin mags also magsafe three in one that one lists at 149 It sells for 130 on a bedside table I like this one better. So if you really want magsafe for your bedside table, I like the belkin one better it It holds things sort of separate in a part It holds your phone up a little bit higher So you can actually have some stuff underneath it the cheap ad on the bottom It has the silly little tray that it's sort of like for magsafe for air pods, but you can put a phone in there. I've done it If you don't want magsafe though There are the two others that we've talked about And that is the 12 south high rise, which is 99 bucks Which is the sort of the all in one three in one very small form factor And then there's the 40 dollar one that pete found for us that basically has a similar form factor It's not quite as elegant as the 12 south, but it's less than half the price of the 12 south All of these work great. Oh, actually, this isn't the one you found This is the one that listener it's similar, but this one has the light switch on it That you can actually turn the light off and then it just stays off forever So, you know, if you're looking for one of these The 40 dollar one is hard to beat It's I mean, it's it's going to cost you less than john's Elago one at 27 plus two pucks The question becomes what You know, what's the durability? You know, is it a pay me now pay me later? Does it last or not? You know, I Yeah, I've only had this uh, this this one for two the 40 dollar one for two weeks And so, you know check back in a year or but I will say even a magnetic charger Is better than than a non magnetic one because I took my last cheap charger ski shooting I was so happy to get rid of that thing. Yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, no magnetic is the way to go and yes, I I should say that I notice I've tested all of these at home I notice zero difference between the mag safe and the magnetic in terms of Its utility to me You know, it it's the difference between for my phone. It's the difference between You know charging in two hours and charging in four hours If I sleep less than four hours I kind of got a You know, the reality is if like if if I'm up late and I have an early flight or something, right? Like this would be a planned Short cycle on my sleep I would plug my phone in And let it charge because it's and it's always going to charge faster Plugged in than it is on magnetic or mag safe because you're not losing Power to heat transfer, right? So Yeah, it it um It really makes zero difference to me Um, whether I have magnetic or mag safe So pick the form factor and the price that works for you And I'd say I'd say go for but at 40 bucks. I love these other things. I really do I mean the that the The anchor like the the way it works like this will have a home in my travel bag for sure And I will add if you really want to geek out go youtube Search on how electrical fields work and that's how and why these things charge wirelessly Yeah, yeah, you know, so it's because I'm like, how can that do that? There's no metal contact there. What's really going on? What's happening? Yeah, you know, yeah, so yeah, pretty cool. There's some good videos on there Hey, you know here on mac geek. We often do a lot of how-to kind of things We talk about how to fix problems or how to do new things. Well, if you like that Check out this new show how to from slate Imagine if dear abbey were an investigative reporter each week Amanda Ripley takes on listeners toughest problems and with the help of experts Finds the answers to questions you've always wanted to ask but couldn't until now Answers to questions about relationships jobs. 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So let's let's let's jump to some questions here and see if And maybe we'll circle back to cool stuff found or You know, I guess we're gonna have to do the show next week because I don't think we're gonna get to everything that That we that we set out to get to Brent writes He says I have a max studio with an m1 ultra and 128 gigs of ram So you brand decided to kind of go go on the lighter side of of his uh of his purchases here He says, uh, I noticed after the ventura upgrade that waking after waking the machine from sleep It gets very laggy and sluggish Everything has a delayed response of sometimes 10 or even 20 seconds I use i-stap menus and notice that these times during these times the windows server process is using 90 to 100 of the cpu a restart generally fixes it But I was wondering if you have experiences and or have heard of similar issues I assume it might be a ventura bug, but I don't know if you can suggest anything that might help Um, I'm curious if you guys have seen this I have but I've seen it predating ventura. It doesn't happen often Uh, but it does happen and even in Monterey There were some wake from sleep issues regarding thunderbolt. And so my question is we're as we're talking through this is What thunderbolt devices does Brent have and do these thunderbolt wake from sleep issues still exist? In ventura and maybe that's what's going on I haven't been been brave enough to let my computer go to sleep Since ventura I need to to to test for all of you But um, I hated getting to my computer and having my thunderbolt devices be like, yeah, I'm not here anymore. So I don't know. Have you have you guys on your ventura machines or or not on your monterey machines? Have you seen windows server chewing cpu like this after wake from sleep? I have not No, um Yeah, I mean I'm looking right now and I think it's the second process on my list here But it's only taken like two percent. Yeah, it's normal for it to be pretty common Yeah, it really only two percent because on mine. It's taking like a hundred here Um, but that's pretty normal because I'm running google chrome. What what os are you on john? Um the prior one monterey. Yeah, okay. Oh interesting. Yeah Oh, I wonder why windows server is taking up a hundred percent for me. Maybe uh, I mean it hasn't been negatively impacting the way we do the show, but uh Yeah That's interesting. Is your video window like is it up on the screen john or no? Like can you see it Can I see Can you see the video window because if it's if it's in the background then yes, okay Okay, so so like like it your machine is actively displaying the the live video Huh, and you're still not getting that's interesting Because you and I are both on intel cpus in our studios. So it's interesting Huh If you all have a thought about this if you have a thought about this feedback at mackykeb.com We would love to wait. We're feedback at mackykeb.com Pete I think he said feedback at mackykeb.com. Okay Hey speaking of ventura bruce asks a question I can't believe we're still having these conversations guys In response to episode 953 were dav ranted against some of the strange choices apple made with ventura's system settings. Hang on Okay Brent bruce. Sorry continues What happened to the ability to shut down or restart the mac on a schedule that used to be in the energy saver system preferences pain I've used that feature for years to restart a server weekly I've looked everywhere says bruce and it appears that they have simply removed that feature completely Hang on one second before I have thoughts about Okay, what the heck like what the heck is going on here? Why he bruce is right? So I set this on my machines that are running monterey or running ventura I I have weekly restarts set for all of my machines including my laptop My weekly restarts have been performing flawlessly since I have put ventura on all of these machines and this includes The ventura betas that I put on my laptop. It still restarts every friday morning. It's awesome. It's great. I love it Great. I have no way to control this anymore. What is like Who's responsible for this? You have to write a shortcut to do that I mean, it'd be nice to be uh native to the settings It's but it's native to the system like it's doing it already Yeah, like the setting from monterey persisted now. Let's pretend I want to turn it off Hey, apple. It's dave in durham. I want to turn this setting off. Can you tell me where to go? I'll wait Evidently, I'm gonna wait a while. Wait, wait. We're the crickets. Yeah, where are the crickets? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I got them I know I definitely have I have the crickets somewhere here. There they are That's dave waiting Still waiting I I don't understand like Even worse if you go into the system settings and you search for restart It points you to lock screen. I'm like, oh, okay. Sure I couldn't find it Hey, hang on. I I do have a I do have so here here's how it goes. Um, hey apple It's dave here in durham I had set my mac with monterey, you know using the system preferences there to restart every week I'd like to change that schedule. How do I do it? Oh the crickets stop immediately because apple has a support article Thanks to bryam and roe in our discord chat. He shared this with me and uh It says in macOS ventura 13 schedule your mac to turn On or off in terminal so we get to go back to our friendly pm set Command and apple is teaching us how to use this command in the terminal because someone was too lazy They spent the time To write a knowledge base article instead of putting the functionality that they already had In the freaking preference pains or whatever we're supposed settings pains or whatever supposed to call It seems to me you could create a automated applet to Well, no because this is the system doing it. It's it's not I mean, technically. Yes, you could you could script this But if you've already got it turned on you can't turn it off by creating a shortcut Right, you've got it. You've got to go change it in the terminal. It's like Thank you for coming to my ted talk. Thank you for for being my therapist everyone. I appreciate it I obviously needed this today. So, yeah, I don't know Looks like a big step backwards Yeah, change is bad right john. That's what we did that episode Hey Have I convinced you Dave? Maybe maybe yeah, there you go. Nicely played john maybe Hey, I do have one other quick tip that comes in ventura though. Okay. I'd love to share So in ios 16, you know, you can edit and undo messages that you sent if you're in messages Once you have ventura you can do the same thing. But how do you do it? You either command click I use, you know, two finger click on the message that you want to edit or unsent So I just want to let people know that that functionality is in there and messages. Yes. Yeah, I right click because I have Yeah, but yeah, I guess on my On my trackpad. I I I just two finger click. Yeah, it's at a two finger quicker On mine it is I think I think yeah, you're probably right. Yeah. Yeah, okay Whereas yeah, if you just press and hold You'll get the the exclamation point the thumbs up the thumbs down That's what you have to command clicks or double click on the trackpad to get the ability to edit or unsend. That's right Yeah It's weird in the i'm in the studio now where I have a mouse like an old school wired mouse It's from razor razer. This thing is so old I'm I'm I'm embarrassed to show it to everyone because of how filthy this mouse is Um, but you know, it works. And so if it ain't broke, I haven't fixed it yet. How old is that mouse, Dave? 15 man is probably 15 years old. Yeah. Yeah, I would think so. Yeah, something's just work That's it. And so but the problem is up here in the studio I can't think with my trackpad brain because I don't I like I'm thinking I right click But in the office I can't right click. I have a magic trackpad. It's like so it's just it's bizarre how the brain works I I love it. It's one of my favorite, you know It's one of my favorite things. Well, I almost closed out a stream yard Thanks to that quirky bug that seems to still exist in ventura But it came over. I can't blame ventura for this. They just haven't fixed it where Sometimes a window stays active and you click and it drags it for you If somebody has a fix for that, I would pay dearly because I hate when that happens Okay, thanks. Yeah. No, it's good to be here Harvey has a question that I think we can actually help him with I think I hope Harvey writes Ever since I updated my iPad to ios 16.1 all of my text replacements have disappeared from settings general keyboard on that iPad But they still exist on my iphone and on my mac How do I get them back without having to re-enter every one of them on the ipad? I'm running the latest os on each of the devices This is one of my favorite questions of the week because In trying to solve this or help harvey solve this I learned a new thing and the new thing that I learned Is that you can back up your text replacements on your mac You go into settings keyboard text replacements then do a command a to select all Then right click and wow There is an export option right there under an import option Which is how you'd bring these back in and it creates a plist file that you can just save wherever you want And uh, you know, there it is. I learned a thing. I I love it. Yeah So that's the first step that I would do if they exist on your mac Save them so that just in case any of the things we're about to recommend that you try Fail and blow them away because it's syncing. So who knows but Once I back back them up Then I would make a change Somewhere the first place that I would make a change is on my mac I would add a new text replacement there And that should trigger a sync to happen and hopefully when that sync happens your ipad will inherit the You know everything so that's the first place I do it if that doesn't work Uh confirm that it is syncing from your mac to your iphone So that's another thing to just make sure that it's it's your it's actually a problem with your ipad And not a problem with your mac because it's possible that your mac and your iphone aren't the other ones that aren't syncing And your ipad has this you know empty set from the cloud I would try making a change on your ipad and see if that pushes to your mac and maybe then the reverse happens So this is the only way I've found to Sort of kick apple syncing into gear Is to make changes. Do you john? Do you have any other thoughts about how to kick apple syncing into gear? Hmm Log out log out and log back in I knew I I I I hope that that was was what would come out of your mouth Yeah, yeah log out of iCloud and and log back in. Yeah, I think that's that's another good one Yeah, because my expectation is that most of the iCloud Syncs a lot of things and you may not But sometimes it gets it wrong It gets it. Yeah, so you get a kick start it. Yeah Yeah, all right um While we're on this let's keep the questions going Because we've got a little bit of time and we have a couple of geek challenges So john you want to take us to Ralph's geek challenge here? Yeah, he's got a good one. So Ralph says Decade plus listener love the show. Thank you. We love you too um And and to spread the love Ralph says I'm loving air tags I have three deployed keys and two backpacks I'd like that you can set the notifications to not fire when that item is left at a certain location such as at home Very helpful What I would love to do is set my backpacks to not fire off a left behind notification every time I get out of my car But leave my backpack inside which I do a lot When I am out taking location pictures But it appears the only exceptions you can include are physical locations not other items or air tags I've thought about putting an air tag in my car But there appears to be no way to say do not notice me Do not notify me about this item when it is near this other item Such as my backpack any thoughts on a hack Um, I suppose I'm just up against limitations of the system as implemented so far And in closing don't get caught on the tracks when a train is coming Oh, yeah, that's a good idea. That's a good place not to get caught. Yeah. That's yeah, that's good advice. Um Man you got me And as far as I can tell the the way it's set up is by default any air tag enabled item Sets home as the default location where it won't report that you left and you can find this If you go to find by you click on one of your air tags and then there's notifications and The default is no notify when left behind and it's on I I mean, I think the only thing you can do it's kind of a hack Well, you were looking for a hack, but I don't think this is going to satisfy you but Input the location that you're at But I know that's not really what you want. Yeah, you want it if it's in proximity to x then, you know, so uh Paul franz in the chat suggests just turn off location services because that would disable it which is true Also a hack everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but like the idea If if ios were even more scriptable that would be It would be like so the my idea is I don't think this is doable But but I'll talk through it. Maybe this will trigger something for somebody The idea being Okay The only way it works is by setting specific locations That will be in the not notify list, right? Like that's that's just how it works. Okay. So how do we put Our cars, you know parked location In the notify list and so my thought would be all right Well, we write a script and I'm I'm making up a lot of functionality that I don't think exists But we write a script that says when the car is parked Which is some signal that the phone definitely knows about because it will put your parked car on your map, right? so when uh when the car is parked Set that location as a location where this specific air tag is safe to be left behind Now these are things that we could do ourselves as you just pointed out john And so we just want to automate this thing that we could do ourselves so that we can save ourselves the hassle of having to Do it ourselves. That's the whole point of automations And while I don't think the hooks exist to be able to do that That's how that would work for me Like that's how I would look to approach it and then You know, I I always talk through these things like with knowing that it's impossible Because sometimes it's like well, that's not possible But you know, there is that other thing that you could use and you know get there with with you know, 15 steps instead of three So that's yeah Yeah, yeah It's something else you actually said in there that uh, and there's not many people. This is why I say it. Yeah But uh, it's just it's ancillary to what we're what you're talking about Sure And there's not many people that have the same problem that I do here But I leave my car for months at a time in a parking lot with 3000 other cars Put an air tag in that car. I can't tell you how many times I've walked the parking lot in Memphis looking for my air And even though it you know it updates my parked car when I go home and I've Drive my other car it updates my parked car there and I get back that parked car is long gone It's gone your tag in my airport car Um, that's that's my new trick. That's that's that's 29 dollars well spent man Yeah, exactly. But yeah, but uh, there's gotta be I bet I bet just like there's coming the ability to zoom on your uh Sure on the phone on the iphone camera continuity. Yeah on continuity Um, there's gonna be the ability to be granular with your air tanks Yeah, yeah, because I've always wanted if I leave, you know this with that then It's all good. Okay. Yeah. Yeah it like and I also wish that I could set maybe you can somebody Please tell me if I if I can and I'm just overlooking this But like when I go to stay in an air bnb, right? That is for whatever period of time I'm there my temporary home and it drives me nuts when I walk out my door And go to have dinner or get in the car and drive somewhere And it notifies me that I left my ipad and my air pods and you know four things behind Then my suitcase even is left behind But I am Because I did I know I did like thank goodness. I did it's good to know where they are What I want though is I know I could set the air bnb as like You know a a place that is non Notify don't notify me. It's cool to leave it here But it's only cool to leave it there until a certain date And then on that date when I'm heading to the airport to fly home I want my phone to tell you like to know. Yeah, I'd like to know So I would love to be able to set an expiration time like a temporary location It's cool to leave it here until the day before I'm supposed to leave and then on that day you start pestering me because a It it's more convenient, but b it keeps me from from uh suffering notification blindness because if I get so used to every time I leave I got to say Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever Now I leave to go to the airport and it's four in the morning and I'm yeah, yeah, whatever. Oh crap You know I left my iPad in Bolivia. Not that I've been to Bolivia, but I'm sure the apple engineers are working on it as we speak Dave. Yeah, they're hearing us. Yeah. Yeah, I just want to be able to trust that location Temporarily is what I want. So yeah, I think we'll get there because because that's a really common use case And more importantly, I think it's a use case that apples engineers will experience and therefore want to solve Now that people can travel again, right? Like the air tags came out in sort of a weird time, right? Like it traveling and staying in airbnb wasn't nearly as common Over the past couple of years as it as it has been in the past and is now so Yeah, yeah, I mean the other thing you could do though. This is really a hack Yeah, is change your definition of home Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but again, that would solve the problem But then you have to keep changing it from where you are To you can have multiple multiple trusted locations for your air tags. Oh, okay Right. I mean, I I know that I like you can do that. Yeah, you can have multiples you just you can't I haven't I don't know of a way to set a time. So yeah, you don't need to change your home location. You just need to Yeah, you just need to set another location as the Trusted location because people do this at home and work all the time. Like that's a pretty yeah. Yeah, yeah So yeah, you just go in To to your air tag and and when in the same place where you turn on notify when left behind You can say new location and add locations there But but I don't believe That there is the ability And you know, I'm going to check this because if I can solve my own problem And I think the thing with Ralph is that his location is not Predictable. It sounds like he has multiple locations. Yeah Yeah, so, you know, again, you can either just add all of them Yeah, but he wants it to be variable. He wants his heart to be the You know, the safe place not some location. Yeah Yeah, so yeah, there's excuse me. There's no way to set a Yeah, a time limit or anything like that, but it could be so yeah, all right Cool If you folks have an idea as to how to hack this though while we're waiting for apple to do it the right way Feedback and ackeekev.com. Yeah All right. Well, you know all good things must come to an end and That means this show too We have another great geek challenge that I really was hoping to get to because it fits for me We have uh, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm I'm I'm gonna One more cool stuff found the soundcore sleep a 10 earphones These are built to wear while you sleep And the cool part about it is that they fit so comfortably in your ears That I could sleep with them no problem And they also have like you can play your music or whatever you want through them. They don't have microphones in them um The you can play music or you could watch a show on your ipad or you know, whatever you want Uh, but they also can play, uh, you know soothing sounds to help you get to sleep Pete these are they are anchor the soundcore Which is one of anchor's brands. Yeah, they're they're the soundcore sleep a 10s I've I've all I've been looking for something that I can wear In my ears on an airplane that is comfortable when I start to nod off and you know, my head hits like my little inflatable pillow next to me or whatever like and this 100% Like I was able to hold my hand against my ear with these in and I didn't even notice that there was something in my ear Active noise canceling No, no, they are passive. They are they seal and that's that's the end of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's um Yeah, I'm trying to find the I had a thing up for them, but you know, I'm now like, oh, yeah Yeah, no, they are they are just they they just seal everything out. They block 35 db of of noise So, okay, I don't think they're it's a lot. Yeah, I don't think they're it's passive. Yeah. Yeah, it's passive So yeah, yep. So yeah, it's a it's a cool little thing. So There you go. I put it in the show. That's it. I got one more um Yeah, thanks for hanging out with us folks. Yeah, I can't tell you know in the middle of the night One dies and I have to put the other one in and roll over and sleep on my other side Yeah, right, right. Yeah, exactly. No, no, it's all good. It's passive You can just have them off and they they block that too. Yeah. Yeah, they're super comfortable. They've figured it out Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Make sure to go check out. So there I was which is Pete's show Make sure to check out our sponsor zoc doc.com slash mgg our thanks to cash fly For providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you Thanks to all of you for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for sharing the show with all of your friends Please share the show with all your friends I was about to call you johnny boy. I've never called you johnny let alone johnny boy as long as uh We have known each other. So i'm not going to do that. Mr. John f brawn. Can you help us? 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