 Hi everyone, this is the Legal Hackers Breakout Session. Jameson is on the line and standing by. We'll give people a few minutes to click on the links in the email and start watching, and then we'll begin the session in just a moment. So stand by. And this is the Legal Hackers Breakout Session. You can learn more about this fantastic group. We've got people. This is the Legal Hackers Breakout Session. We've got people logging in. So Jameson, Dempsey is with us. And Jameson, why don't you go ahead and come off mute now and we can get your session started. And what I'll do is I'll go ahead and monitor feedback in your session page and let you know from time to time or you can ask if there's any questions or comments or ideas. Sounds good. And so first I'll just introduce myself. Hi everyone. I'm Jameson Dempsey. I am one of the Global Directors of Legal Hackers. Today's breakout session is gonna be about the Global Legal Hackers Movement. Who we are, what we do, what we believe and opportunities for you out there to join the movement to get involved. And so what I'll do is share my screen. So you can see, let's see. And then I'll go into Presenter mode. Hold on just one second. Hold on, having some technical difficulties, Daza. So let me turn off screen sharing here and get this right. Okay. Not to worry. Hey everybody. So let me go into Presenter mode here and... Interoperable Absence Services. Great. And so for those of you just joining, Jameson Dempsey is a co-director of Legal Hackers and International Group that we're very involved with at law.mit.edu and which we think is entirely beneficial and in line with the sort of topics and activities we're exploring in the course. So we've asked him to say a few words. Okay. So let's see. Daza, could you just confirm for me that you see the Legal Hackers presentation? Not yet. I'm seeing the screen that you're sharing is the Google Hangout. Okay. Hold on one second. How about now? Let's see. Maybe they should do it. How about now, Daza? We've got it. We've got it. Perfect. Okay. So learning on the fly. So as I mentioned, my name is Jameson Dempsey. I am one of the global directors of Legal Hackers. I'm really excited to share a little bit about Legal Hackers with all of you today. Legal Hackers is a global grassroots community that seeks to foster creative problem solving at the intersection of law and technology. And throughout the course of this presentation, we'll be able to tease apart each part of this definition of Legal Hackers. We're global and grassroots, which means that we're all over the world. I'll talk about where our chapters are. We seek to foster creative problem solving. By fostering, we mean bringing people together, convening, inspiring, creative problem solving. That's legal hacking for us. We're not talking about computer security issues, although those come up in some of our policy discussions. The focus here is really on creative problem solving at the intersection of law and technology. Legal Hackers began in 2012 in Brooklyn, New York. It was put together by a number of students who were part of a clinic called the Brooklyn Law Incubator and Policy Clinic that provides pro bono legal support to early stage technology startups in New York. This was at the height of a technology policy battle called SOPA and PIPA. And there were protests in the streets, websites blacked themselves out. It awoke a lot of digital activism. And there were students at Brooklyn Law School who wanted to get involved. And so they together with their professor, Jonathan Askin, and they're all in this photo in the upper right-hand corner, got together. And at first it was, well, what's the best way to get involved? And they eventually settled on this idea of adopting the tools of the technology community in order to advance law and policy reform. And so they had the first legal hackathon. There had been law hackathons dealing with legislation, but this was the first legal hackathon dealing with law and policy issues or legal reform. Legal hackers as a term actually predates legal hackers. It was first coined, it seems around 2010, although we're confirming it by a gentleman named Tim Wang who started a law firm called Robot, Robot and Wang. You can find out more online. But this was the concept of creative problem solving at the intersection of law and technology. So anyway, so they hosted this first legal hackathon in April of 2012. It was a big success. Maybe 200 people showed up, but it was really just a beta test. And based on the interest, they decided that they wanted to form a meetup. They wanted to bring together the broader New York City community in order to explore issues at the intersection of law and technology. And people showed up to the meetups and it grew and it grew, but legal hackers was always meant to be, or New York legal hackers was always meant to be just for the New York community. I was a part of the early New York legal hackers community. I don't consider myself a founder, but have been involved since the beginning. I was a student in the Blipp Clinic who graduated the year before. But I moved down to Washington DC to pursue a career in technology and telecommunications policy. But when I arrived, I realized there was a latent community there of people who are interested in the intersection of law and technology, but broken out into almost like an archipelago. So there was the technology policy community, open data community, the legal technology community, but not a lot of connective tissue. So question came up, maybe we could serve as a second chapter of legal hackers and be that connective tissue. So we formed the second chapter. Over time we've grown. So now today we have 130 chapters of legal hackers all around the world and we've been growing at a rapid clip. You can see here that while we formed in 2012, over the last six years, we've expanded 130 chapters, six continents. We have anywhere between 25,000 and 45,000 members and we're all powered as the whole movement is powered by volunteer organizers, 430, actually 436 volunteer organizers who bring people together at the intersection of law and technology to educate one another, to build things together and to discuss really important policy issues. Very importantly, legal hackers is a local first community which means that all the events that we do in our local chapters are geared toward the interests of the local community and the policy issues or the legal issues for that local community. And having this grassroots bottom up approach is really important to who we are. So legal hackers is bound all around the world by this common ethos, collaborative method of problem solving. So we're an open culture movement, kind of like the open source community is to software or Wikimedia or the Wikimedia community is to knowledge or Khan Academy is to open education. Legal hackers is to law and policy and we're really inspired by the original hacker ethic that was developed implicitly at MIT in the late fifties and sixties. So we're guided by this common ethos of accessibility, accessibility to legal resources, accessibility to legal tools, openness. So being an open community that enables anyone with an interest at the intersection of law and technology to come in and to contribute. We're also big on sharing. So that's within the community but also across geographical and jurisdictional boundaries. And then finally about play, that means coming together, having fun. We embrace the hands-on imperative of being able to take apart different legal tools and put them back together in interesting and creative ways. And very importantly, we're local first, we're chapter-based and we're 100% volunteer led. So as an open community, it's really important for us to create structures that preserve this openness that allows legal hackers to spread, to share our mission with others, to accomplish our mission without co-optation. So legal hackers is not a number of things. So number one, we're not a commercial enterprise, which means that legal hackers is 100% free and open for anyone who wants to participate in legal hackers. Our events are free, there are no membership dues, none of the organizers are paid 100% volunteer led. We're not a trade association, which means that we're not a business network. You need to have a specific degree to be part of legal hackers or be part of a specific industry. We actually think that diversity is our strength because we bring together people from different silos, different industries, we break down those silos and allow them to all work together as equals. So rather than showing up as a lawyer or showing up as a technologist, people show up as legal hackers. So we have this common identity. Importantly, we're not a political advocacy group. So we through our events have really engaged policy discussions on a variety of issues at the intersection of law and technology. It could be something like the sharing economy or net neutrality or data protection or blockchain regulation. But at the end of the day, legal hackers either as chapters or as a global organization does not take a position on those issues. So legal hackers wants to bring together people and be a trusted neutral forum for policy discussion while at the same time not advocating for any specific result, not lobbying the government. So we serve as a neutral forum, which is incredibly important as a global distributed community. And then finally, like I mentioned before, but legal hackers is not a computer security group. We're not black hat hackers, nor are we white hat hackers. Computer security is obviously extremely important. It has legal and policy implications. And it's an incredibly important issue to discuss, to understand, but we're not a hacking group nor do we condone or engage in illegal activities. As a group or as chapters or as individuals. Instead, as I mentioned, we're volunteer, we're neutral, we're open to all and that fundamentally is who we are. So as I mentioned, legal hackers is really anyone with this interest at the intersection of law and technology. It's lawyers, technologists, entrepreneurs, artists, designers, musicians. In fact, many legal hackers organizers have some sort of creative streak in them or have a creative past. Lots of musicians, DJs, people who come from alternative communities, open culture communities and apply that in law and policy. And then of course, academics and researchers. There are legal hackers at MIT. There are legal hackers at Stanford, at top universities all around the world, at law schools and computer science departments. Obviously a critical component to who we are is the research component of it. Legal hackers chapters have a specific structure. We have volunteer organizers, diverse teams. Once again, diversity is our strength. So we believe that the organizing team should reflect the diversity of the local community. So that's gender diversity. Ethnic diversity is incredibly important to us at the organizer level. And then also professional diversity. People bringing in different skill sets so that everyone who shows up at a legal hackers event feels like there's representation at the organizer level. One thing we heard a lot at the early stages was hackers coming and saying, I don't wanna go to a lawyer's event. There are gonna be suits and ties and all of the rest of it. We'd rather have something that's open that feels like neutral territory for everyone to come. Once again, everyone's showing up as legal hackers. We have lots of local partners and sponsors who help us. So whether that is a technology company or a nonprofit or a university, there are lots of people who pitch in to provide space for legal hackers to convene, to provide beer and pizza so that our events can run and we can all work together. And that's really important. We view our sponsors and our partners as parts of the community who are contributing either time, space or resources in order to allow us to advance our mission. Legal hackers chapters have active social media presences, so you can check out hashtag legal hack for activities all around the world. Most have a Twitter handle or a Facebook group, but what's really important here is to provide opportunities for connection. So social media is critical for local legal hackers chapters to meet to share what's going on in the local community and then to use broadcast channel, something like Twitter to share that out so the rest of the world can see all the amazing things happening within each local chapter. Once again, relying on this and focusing on this local first character of the community. And also we host regular free public events. There are lots of middlemen within the legal ecosystem that host paid events, paid trainings, paid policy discussions. And what we believe is it's really important to provide a free and open community, a free open event so that everyone can show up regardless of your means and without creating artificial barriers to entry to this community. We're launching student groups. This is something we're really, really excited about. So just like there is a college radio station or just like there is a group that's focused on, oh, I don't know. I'm thinking about music on the brand, maybe going out to shows and talking about music. There could be legal hacker student groups as well, maybe something like ACLU groups in the U.S., although those have a political aim. Legal hackers, student groups all around the world coming together within their local universities so that they can collaborate, they can work together. They can start working in cross-disciplinary, multi-disciplinary ways very early in their educational career so that they can work on some of these hard problems. And so whether that's making them practice ready by the time that they graduate from school or just building a strong bond between different individuals within the school so that when they go out in their career, they can always reach out to others who share this comm ethos. That's the purpose of these student groups. So what do legal hackers do? Actually, maybe before I explain that, does anyone have any questions about anything that I just said so far? Hey, Jameson, let's take, I'm taking a look at your pigeonhole page. Yeah. Let's see what we've got. Okay. So there's one, how do people join legal hackers? Like, where do you go? What do you do? Yeah, it's a great question. So in order to join legal hackers, it's pretty simple. You find a local legal hackers chapter. You can sign up on their Meetup page or Facebook page to find out when their events are. And then when they host those events, you can get involved or you can join their WhatsApp group or Telegram group, whatever social media they have available. If there isn't a chapter in your local area, you can follow what's going on around the world online, get engaged. We have some global platforms for anyone who wants to join. You can find that out at legalhackers.org. And if you'd like to start a chapter, then there's a process, you can find that on our webpage as well, for setting up your own chapter in your local community. Awesome. And then I see you've cut the screen up. So, good hack. Yeah, you're right here. So, and then the second question from Jose, what are the main, what's the main role of partners and something could make a great partner potentially? And, you know, kind of, what sort of commitments do they have? Yeah, so reaching out to partners and sponsors is a really important aspect of legal hackers or organizers role. And so the main role of partners is to support the chapter. And that can manifest itself in a number of different ways. A partner could help by sharing the word of your events, so helping with promotion. That's one way a partner can help. A partner can help by helping to supply speakers for an event on a specific topic. So for example, if you have a university partner, they might supply someone who can teach lawyers how to code, for example. The sponsors or partners can also provide in-kind sponsorships. So for example, chapters where a company or an agency with meeting space says, yeah, come every month. We'll provide the beer and the pizza or the soda and coffee and the pizza. And you guys can hang out and there's a mutual benefit there because they get people coming into their space. Let's say it's a co-working space, for example. And the legal hackers chapter has a great spot in order to host their events. So those are the in-kind sponsorships providing resources or space or something. Right. And then finally, there might be monetary sponsorships. Yeah, so I was... Yeah, I was just gonna comment. I know I've mostly been active in the Boston area legal hackers, but at times when I've been in New York, remember some very engaging meetings that happened in law firms, conference rooms, and interesting kind of like innovation or co-working or hacker spaces and having the variety of spaces and those kinds of partnerships and access to those communities was a really great aspect of getting involved in the group. Absolutely, yeah, and I think one of the most successful things that chapters have done around the world is to reach out to adjacent or overlapping communities that share a common open collaborative spirit. So perhaps open data communities or Wikimedians or the internet society has chapters or something like world economic forums, global shapers and reaching out to them and co-sponsoring events or partnering on events. So that's less of a sponsorship relationship and more of a cross-community partnership. Yeah, interestingly, it looks like we've got a question from Dispena who's been a very active student and it's similar to sort of an idea I'd had a year or two ago about a data science legal hackers chapter. So is it possible to create thematic chapters not so much geographically focused and I think that gets us back to part of the sum, you know, the sort of purpose and scope statement about it being so much about community and locality but could you kind of speak to this aspect of legal hackers please? Yeah, absolutely. So there aren't thematic chapters and that's not something that we've explored and one reason is that we believe that it's important to bring together the local community the local community as a first step. So getting together the lawyers, the technologists, the artists, academics, et cetera at the local level so that they can meet in person, they can teach each other, they can build things and discuss important policy issues. One of the really amazing thing that's happened though is that once you have this groundwork of chapters the chapters in a very decentralized way start working together on a variety of events. So I'll go through some of those but chapters have gotten together on access to justice events. Chapters have gotten together Daza and actually a bunch of people in the room there in MIT right now got together on this open media hack which I'm sure that some of you have learned about or will be learning about over the course of this course. And so there have been themes that have bubbled up and chapters have worked together on those themes but there aren't thematic chapters as it were right now. So they're thematic activities but not chapters. Yeah, and just if I could jump in with a little color at one point I was thinking, oh, wouldn't it be great? Like I was very into data science, I still am. I have a legal hackers data science thing and there'd be sort of trans geographic and talking it through, I think the overall kind of strategic decision was, no, let's keep it local. And I really think it's worked out very well as a person who was interested in the thematic chapter. I've been able to scratch that itch and there's plenty of data science chapters. And as you said, from building these local communities and here we are with the chair of the Kansas City legal hackers, the co-chair of the San Paulo Brazil legal hackers. We have found ways to use the legal hackers umbrella to find birds of the feather activities we can coordinate at the same time. But I'm not sure how successful this would have been if we just tried to do a theme-based chapter because the building of community and relationships and people has been just invaluable as what legal hackers has come to mean for us at least. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And from my perspective, the way I always saw my role as a legal hackers organizer was as a steward of the community, helping to bring together people so that they can meet in person, meet in real life, work on projects together and serving as a facilitator at the local level. One of the things, one of the risks I think of, especially for a global community is moving away from the in-person and the local and then focusing out solely on cross-chapter activities. Now, I think that there's lots of benefits of working across chapters, working thematically, but I think the first role of the organizers is serving the local community and being a facilitator. So yeah, so I think that over time we're gonna see a lot more thematic activity in cross-chapter activity. We just can't lose focus of serving the local community, especially because these concepts are so new for folks. Great, and do you wanna respond to one more? Yeah, sure. Okay, so Dennis, who's in, is Dennis in Kenya? In Kenya is asking, are there grants to travel to legal hacker sessions? So interesting, because in part, this really points out the wisdom of building local community. One of the great things is, look, it's a short commute. When you build local community, but then there's also a very real question about getting, there are times when people do want to get together at these summits and other sorts of things. So what's the thinking on the role of travel and how people fund that? Yeah, so I suppose there are, so the answer to the question is sometimes, but rarely. And that may change over time, but because each chapter has been essentially self-funded, they all run on, many run on limited sponsorships or bootstrapping, there hasn't been a lot of funding. So we're not backed by some giant foundation or something like that. It's really just the, local chapter is working with local partners in a global decentralized community. And I think that Daza really hit on it, that's the benefit of having local chapters. The thing that we're trying to fight against is the idea of legal innovation being something out there, rather than something right here, because there are communities all around the world. And every city that we've found, whether it's five people, 10 people or 5,000 people, there are people within the local community. So in Kenya, we have a chapter in Nairobi. They've been extremely active. I think it's legal hackers, NBO or NBO legal hackers. On Twitter, they have an active blog, they've hosted events, they've partnered on things, they did a coding for lawyers event. So they've been incredibly active, but these things have been replicated in local communities all around the world. And so I think that, just riffing on what Daza said, it really is important for us to have those local communities. So no one feels like, well, we don't have legal innovation here. But to see it rather as, there either is a chapter or there's an opportunity to do it, because the raw materials are all there, the interests, the people with various skillsets, just about bringing them together. And that said, we do have these global events or regional events and chapters strive to raise funding for those events so that they can have something that's a little bit larger. But depending on the funding, sometimes there are opportunities to pay for folks' travel, as they do in like the World Economic Forum, global shapers. But that tends to be a big part of the process. But that tends to be rarer. I think that as the community grows, there will be more opportunities for that. But that's gonna be something that's down the line. Of course, we recognize that it's extremely important to get people to these regional events, but it's something that's still a work in progress. And then I see Dennis has one more question, promoting cross-pollination of ideas or replication of ideas or prototypes. Yeah, it's just through constant communication. So we have these, we have Global Slack, we have Twitter where people can share things. The organizers get together on WhatsApp groups and on Slack and in other places. Telegram. Telegram as well. Telegram, telegram. For some of us, we live on telegram. Right. And so this is where people share what they're doing and where people can collaborate and work on multi-taptor events and all of this. So this is the, that's how ideas are shared across boundaries. Okay, so I see it's 1051 and I wanna make sure that I can share a little bit more about what we do. As I mentioned, legal hackers, chapters host free public events and online fora for individuals to work together at the intersection of law and technology. There are three general pillars for what legal hackers does. This, and then in fact, these pillars just came really congealed, I think over the course of the past couple months when we did our first computational law and blockchain festival. So there's learn, hack and discuss. Learn is free education, free multi-disciplinary, cross-disciplinary education. So whether it's coding for lawyers or data science 101 for lawyers, design thinking methodology, or on the flip side, something like open source licensing or how to start a business for a technologist. So the idea is everyone coming together and sharing their skills in order to build things together or teach one another. Then there's hack. The hack track is really about building things together. We do that through hackathons, prototype jams, design sprints and policy hacks. And then finally there's the discuss track. That's about getting people together of different backgrounds to talk about critical policy issues at the intersection of law and technology. So things like net neutrality, data protection, smart legal contracts or blockchain regulation and then things like AI and ethics. Here are a variety of types of events that people have hosted or topics. So things like legal design, legal data science, e-sports, fake news, robotics and the law, data protection, as I mentioned, AI, machine learning and natural language processing. So it really runs the gamut. We're not a legal tech group. We're about the broad intersection of law and technology and creating a community of people interested in problem solving at that intersection. We've hosted chapter events around the world. So Dennis, as you can see in the middle on the left, that's a coding for lawyers event. That was hosted last year with Nairobi legal hackers. We've had events, just looking at these photos, events in Australia, in Kazakhstan, in Germany. There are events in Pakistan and Tokyo and in Poland and Slovenia and in Sheffield in the UK. So this is just a small sample of the events. These are people coming together from a variety of backgrounds on working on things together. It's really exciting. We host an international summit. So this goes back to Dennis's question about grants. Right now, the way that it's structured is that in limited circumstances we can help support people's travel. That's something we'd like to do more of. I think in our ideal state, we have a representative from every chapter at this international summit. That's a goal, something we're working toward. But as you can see, we had 100 plus people come for a weekend of creative problem-solving together as organizers. So what does it mean to organize an open community at the intersection of law and technology? What are common opportunities, common challenges? How can we collaborate, cross-pollination of ideas? We had some great keynotes. Catherine Maher, who's the executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, gave a keynote. You can find it on YouTube. It's really inspiring. I recommend reading it. It's about free knowledge as a radical act. And we've also hosted regional events. So we hosted CLB Fest. That was a global decentralized conference talking about computational law and blockchain technology. There were 47 self-organized nodes. So this once again goes back to Dennis's question. How do you fly to the big conference? How do you fly to the events or get travel sponsorships? Well, what we wanted to do was break that on its head. Not a thousand person, $1,000 conference in a big city where only those who can afford it or have their company pay for it can make it. What we did was we created a template for what the conference could look like and then inspired people all around the world to create their own local version of that conference. It had three tracks, learning about computational law and blockchain, hacking on prototypes about computational law and blockchain for law, and then discussing critical issues on blockchain regulation. A number of the learn track discussions were posted online, the hack track prototypes were posted on GitHub, and the discuss track conversations. A number of them were included in Stanford University's first journal, and I think this is the first journal of blockchain law and policy. So you can check that out. I think it's on Pubhub, isn't that right, Daza? Yes, it is, yeah. Pubhub, which is an open publishing journal that actually initially was started at the Media Lab to allow for a medium.com-like experience, but for peer reviewed and even more formal journals and publications and other types as well. And by the way, we haven't mentioned this to you yet, or legal hackers, but it was such a success and we love it so much at MIT and at Law.mit.edu. We're gonna try to basically follow in the design pattern and launch a computational law journal on Pubhub and we've been working hard with professors and others in the class here to take the key session content and formulate it as initial articles and kind of proceedings for our first version and in conversations with Thomson Reuters and others to see if we can get some help but still keep it open and free forever. Sounds amazing. So that was the Computational Law Fest and as you just heard, the Computational Law Computational Law and Blockchain Festival has inspired a number of publications, free resources. We're doing it again in March in nodes all over the world. We'll be announcing those nodes soon but you can learn more at legalhackers.org slash clbfest2019. We've also brought legal hackers, organizers and their local communities together through regional summits. We had one in Odessa, Ukraine last year. We had one in Monterey, Mexico last year and also one in Singapore for the Asia-Pacific region. These events typically have an open day for the whole local community. So showing the regional organizers what the Monterey, Mexico chapter looks like or the Singapore chapter looks like and then also a closed workshop day for organizers to get together and talk about. Once again, cross-pollination of ideas, working together on events, working thematically on a variety of issues. And there's been a lot of really cool stuff that's come out of those. We've also had decentralized events following on the clbfest. So the MIT Open Music Legal Hackathon was a huge success. I'm sure you'll be learning more about that over the course of this course. And then we hosted a four city legal hackathon on access to justice issues in Kiev, I think it was in Kiev and Lviv maybe or the node in Ukraine might have just been Lviv. Anyway, we also hosted one in Almaty, Chiznau and Minsk. They hosted this access to justice event in December. If you check out Kiev Legal Hackers' Twitter account, they just posted a video of it. You can see what the event looked like. It was really, really cool. So what's next? What is this all about? What's the purpose of Legal Hackers? Well, we believe that by creating an open culture for law that legal hackers will train a new generation of tech enabled lawyers or computational lawyers. We can break down silos in the legal industry. So not lawyers and technologists, but all legal hackers together that we can build tools to increase access to justice, including convivial tools, tools that the average person can use to help solve in a DIY sense their own legal problems. We can serve as a neutral forum for policy discussions. And then eventually to facilitate, you're already starting to see this, but to facilitate rapid dissemination of legal innovation all around the world, so that an idea in Emo State in Nigeria could be picked up by a course in Bogota, Colombia, which could be remixed and then picked up by someone in Tokyo in order to host their own version of the course that gets taught to judges about legal technology and computational law. So these sorts of crazy patterns, I think will come about based on this local community, all working collaboratively across bounds. So the question is how can you get involved? There are four things that we have identified here. You can join your local chapter. You can start a chapter or a student group of your own, the legal hackers.org slash apply. You can join the conversation on Twitter or Telegram or on Slack. We have these open channels or on LinkedIn. It's open channels. You can share what you're thinking about if you have projects. You can get involved and you can build something and share it. So legal hackers really is about the people and what they believe and what they can do together. So if you're you too, like I am or Daza or anyone else involved in this course is passionate about the intersection of law and technology, you can embrace the hands-on imperative. You can build something to improve access to justice and you can release it to the free for public to advance the public good. And with that Daza, it's the end of my presentation. I'm happy to answer any other questions. Here, here, thank you so much, Jamison. I have to say I'm somewhat humbled and proud to be a member of legal hackers and to what it means to be part of a global community of this type that is free and open and self-organizing has made it incalculably, invaluably better than the funded groups. You do get something from the funding but it takes more than it gives frequently and the innovation and the relationships and just I guess what legal hackers format makes possible has been extraordinary. And I just wanna thank you for taking time. I know how busy you are now at Stanford and with your research and your work to share that with everybody. And I wanna encourage everybody that hears this in the class and beyond to go ahead and click on those links. And I guess that does bring us to wrap with the final input from Dennis. So kudos Dennis for being the best contributor in the session and that is good. We have one for Ann though as well. Oh, we do. Well, first on Dennis, he wants to know this is great, where do I get links? I promised him in a comment that we would post your slides. So that was the action before permission. Can we please post your slides? You may. Thank you. And they have the links to how to join. And I'm not on the screen now. So could you address Ann's point please? Yes, absolutely. So Ann asks, on community relationships, would it be possible to get a social issue and bring it as a challenge for legal hacking? Like access to justice access to social justice to marginalized populations. And the answer is yes, absolutely. I think that one of the critical things about or one of the critical law or one of the best opportunities that Legal Hackers presents is one for people who care about these issues to present challenges that Legal Hackers as a community can work toward solving. So social justice issues are some I think of the most important issues at the intersection of law and technology. Certainly more than building legal tech tools for law firms. And so to the extent that someone has an idea wants to bring it as a challenge. I'll give you one example. We hosted a Music City Legal Hackathon. I say we, Legal Hackers did, it was really Music City Legal Hackers in Nashville. And what they did was they reached out to nonprofits in the area and legal aid organizations. And they said, we're hosting this event. We're gonna have lawyers and developers and designers in the room. How can we help? And so the nonprofits came with specific challenges. You know, whether it's expungement of records or whether it was simple as updating your driver's license information or something like that on the web. And they presented them as challenges. There's one on disabilities access which is a huge, huge issue. So access for people with disabilities to online resources, government resources, legal resources. And then the teams broke out and then worked to solve those problems. And so I think that that is an essential way that Legal Hackers can contribute to the public. And so if you have an idea and wanna present it then absolutely do so. So that's Anne's question. And then Dennis has a question saying, this is exciting. Could you please share the Slack channels in Telegram Group? Yes, you can find them on legalhackers.org. I think it's legalhackers.org slash people. They have all of those available but Daza I'm sure can share them. These are public channels. So we have channels for organizers only and those channels allow the organizers to collaborate at the organizer level. And then we have these open channels that are open for anyone who wants to participate. Organizers and then also members of the community. So Daza can share them but they're also available on the web. Here, here. And including yet again a Telegram channel where honestly I get a lot of great stuff that I don't pick up in RSS feeds or anywhere else. So do join that. That's one of yet another way we can join together in a community without a lot of travel and basically for free and open to everybody forever. Yeah. So thank you so much, James. And truly in this course we all are legal hackers. And we look forward to working with you in the future and computational law and blockchain festival 2019 in March where we hope to carry forward some interesting projects and themes that we're working on in the course at MIT this month. So with that, we wish you all the best. May I make a quick shout out to Koda? Please. Great. So in addition to my work with legal hackers, I'm also a resident fellow or residential fellow at Codex which is Stanford University Center for Legal Informatics. And I know that some of you on the line here are not based in Boston at MIT or watching this may not be in Boston at MIT. And so on the West Coast, we have a center called Codex. It's existed for over a decade now. And we're the center for legal informatics. And so we study a lot of the same issues that Daza is dealing with on the East Coast. But on the West Coast, we have an annual conference called Future Law that everyone's invited to come attend. But we also have this journal Blockchain Law and Policy. We have weekly meetings. There's a lot going on at Codex for anyone who's not on the East Coast but out on the West Coast or online who wants to participate. I encourage you all to get involved. I'm there just for the year. So this is the opportunity, reach out to me and see what we can do together. So with that Daza, that's all I got to say. So thank you very much. Thank you. See you online. All right, bye.