 that was what woke me up that was the period of life that woke me up I was you know interviewing people you know like Biggie Smalls and more deep and Snoop Dogg and they were talking to me about you know the music Illuminati and all this stuff and I was like the general nothing about all that I was it was something I had an idea of it because a friend of mine Darren I was used to tell me about it and that was the days before the internet now you just go on the internet but then people have to rock up at your door and they share something with you a piece of information do you know I mean and it's like that looks really odd why does why is that person doing that symbol or sign or if that's how it used to be sex sex sex yeah who was in baggie Smalls oh lovely Christopher was absolutely lovely I traveled with him he was absolutely adorable and he was a gentle giant I mean really a gentle giant he told me that on the last occasion that I met him we traveled in Holland and he said that I wouldn't see him again he's the last time you're gonna see me and six months later he was dead it was so weird and that interview which was reproduced by the Guardian in which he talked about how he'd come up from the ghetto and he thought his life was gonna be really good but he didn't realize that all this envy and hate would follow him people who wanted to bring him back down again you know crabs in a bucket you know they work crab tried to get the other crabs pulling back down again that was basically his existence really cool really cool dude though yes we're done it like even to a pack when he sings his songs he knew he used to sing that he was gonna die young as well they know as if you get a feeling that my time's up well I think to a certain degree but also the lifestyle that it's not even so much their lifestyle it's the people around them you know the sort of violence that was around them that permeated their world do you think the papers blow out all the proportion on the news when it was just a fight between or an argument between biggest models and to a pack do you think the papers expanded that even 100% what the East Coast West Coast that was and it wasn't just the papers right Shugh night was pushing that because he realized there was money to be made in that actually puffy less so who was obviously on the East Coast with bad boy records and everything and it's quite interesting puffy is an example of somebody who was as that sort of he had that sort of elusive quality about him but when I and I've interviewed him a few times as well if he did he now changes his name exactly Sean Sean comes on one of the first occasion I went to interviews weird I turned up at his office at bad boy records and he wasn't there but he'd given permission to his assistant for me to go into his office snoop around look through his desk and if I was like what this is really weird because he wanted me he'd studied my work which is why he'd allowed me to come he wanted me to get this richness of him and it was just that it blew me away absolutely blew me away and after he'd let me snoop around his office without him they probably had me filmed of course they then drove me down to his apartment and I remember walking in and his hand was all bandaged because he and he claimed that he'd he'd broken it on a glass but that wasn't the rumor at all you know and I think at that time he was going through very very difficult times and I don't know what his mental state was like put it that way so I think it was suicidal I think it was possible that he wasn't quite the rock that he was it was hard on him he wasn't coming from the same background as Shugnite and he was pitted against Shugnite and what was going on he's a dangerous man Shugnite he's done a lot of murders because when he heard Dr. Drainat talking when he used to go up to the office Shugnite had people tied up in cupboards and he's done a few murders and because they took but they says that it was time to set up the two-pack mother as well but then he says they were short in the head as well again it's all bullshit it's very difficult such a weird one especially young cut kids coming from a bad neighborhood well when you come from a Crenshaw, South Central LA and it's really weird because EZE from NWA who I came to know very very well and obviously you died. How was EZE? Lovely adorable. Well not a case. Was that a not a case? Not what? Was it a not a case? Oh yeah yeah well actually he was the say should night injected him with AIDS well because the AIDS was so full-blown he never went through any stages. He just warned me about Shugnite. He warned me about Shugnite because when he was going through a court case right that basically when they when they released F. O. Ross Zagin which obviously was a reverse of N-word for life I can't say the N-word I just can't I don't have it in me they wanted to get that banned in the UK and so NWA asked me to be their witness about the cultural relevance of that album and what it actually meant and it's quite tricky when you when you're as a sort of white woman coming from Gloucestershire and you got this album about you know you know bitches and hoes but there is there is a context to it and I went to South Central LA I went to Ice Cubes home I met his family you know and his mum is saying to me I don't know why my O'Shea swears so much. He's a genius, a lyrical genius. Brilliant. So as Ice Cubes fantastic man. Brilliant, brilliant so you can see that I've had quite a you know I've I've considered myself extremely blessed how many people can say you know that they say in Ice Cubes home do you know what I'm saying and got to know to know his mum a little bit and Dr. Dre and I clashed badly. Geniuses as well. Yeah but we clashed badly. Why? Two strong characters but Dre was also quite handy with his fists around women. Was it? Yeah and he had attacked one woman called D Barnes, beat her up, TV presenter in America. He's a violent misogynist. He came across as the cool one kind of the brains and if it were not for easy, Dre would have thumped me on one particular day. We were at a hotel in where was it I think it's Paddington I was interviewed then they'd come to play in Brixton I met them before they come to play in Brixton but Dre was just weird and I was just asking questions and he just took Umbridge to one and he went to leap towards me and easy threw himself in between us both it was just really weird really really weird that was a very long time ago. No actually Dre was much less so on any of that I mean I know they did the whole chronic thing and everything but Dre was much less so on that then it appeared he was a businessman Dre was always a businessman which and he still is you know also just done three beats done absolutely and I can separate out as much as possible the thug from the genius. Dre was never a thug though he came from a Porsche. Do you remember when he was in all of his thrills and everything because he came from that background as well you know and often Ice Cube was not a thug not a thug you know as I say he's a business man he was the first one to leave NWA. Yes he was. Because he was getting shafted off. Heller what was his name? Yeah Jerry Heller. Jerry Heller. Yeah it was I mean it was it was that's unbelievable man. To be involved in that period as it was happening was an amazing experience. It was the thing is I don't I'm not a great fan of hip hop in these days because it's just rubbish I mean you know Nicki Minaj Dre these people are just they just don't work for me but I was very I loved NWA I loved public enemy jungle brothers tribe called quests British bands demon boys I've managed hip hop bands I managed demon boys PLC DJ Pogo I loved it.