 Okay, we're back live here at the Splunk conference. This is SiliconANGLE and Wikibon is with CUBE. Our flagship program, we go out to the events, and instruct the ceiling from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm joined by my co-host. Hi everybody, I'm Dave Vellante at wikibon.org. Bo Christensen is here, he's the manager of infrastructure operations at Ping Identity. They're a cloud identity security solutions company. Bo, welcome back to theCUBE. Thanks. I know you were here last year and Jeff Kelly and Jeff Frick were interviewing you, so what do you think of the show this year? Ah, it's great. It was great. The keynotes were awesome yesterday and I was good to see the release of 6.0 and hope to get home and play around with it. So what's changed in the last 12 months since you guys last were on theCUBE? Sure, Ping's grown by a ton. I've got over a thousand customers now. We've do enterprise security for some of the world's largest companies. Hundreds of millions of users now, so into enterprise apps you're paying every day. And yeah, we're just growing like nuts. Operations team and everybody else that's at Ping too. So the growth, what's driving it? I mean, is it cloud? Is it everybody's freaking out about what's happening with the NSA? What's the big driver? The big driver is, yeah, I guess you could say it's cloud and SaaS applications. I try not to say cloud that much. But SaaS applications, and the adoption of SaaS applications by the enterprise. You can imagine you're a huge enterprise and you have 35 different cloud applications that you use every day. And provisioning and deprovisioning users to those different applications is a big IT task and it can also be a big security risk too when you release people from the company and whatnot. So that's really the level of the stack that you play and it's that cross SaaS management that you're helping people simplify, develop processes around, improve the quality. It's really, you're not going deeper down into the stack, right? So it's not sort of going into Amazon web services. You're really talking SaaS capabilities or do you help customers with that level, the infrastructure as a service as well? I mean, yeah, we don't provide infrastructure as a service before we do run. But services to monitor infrastructure as a service and secure them or do you stay up at the application level? Yeah, we kind of stay up at the application level. So it's a, you know, we provide, uses what we call a cloud desktop for them to hit buttons and log in seamlessly to all kinds of applications, including AWS. So you're loving, you know, obviously Salesforce, you see in Workday explode, you know, thousands of SaaS companies. So it's typically, you know, you'll see or often you'll see sometimes we call it shadow IT or it's a line of business buying these apps. So how does it actually talk about the anatomy of the realization that there's a problem? If you know, if you understand what I mean by that question. Sure, for our customers or for us? Yeah, sure. So shadow IT definitely a problem. I mean, it's even a problem sometimes in our own company where, you know, we've got groups that'll go and find a new SaaS application that they want to use. And we try to just enable people to keep doing that, but also leverage IT and enable IT to kind of maintain control over those different SaaS applications so that there isn't shadow IT. We're trying to get rid of that. We're trying to, you know, pull it back underneath IT and, you know, the organizations control. So how does that actually occur? So if somebody goes out and buys a SaaS application, you see it happen all the time. They swipe the credit card or whatever it is. And then what? You guys come in and help the CIO figure out how to bring all that together. They bring you in, both, talk about that a little bit. Yeah, it's interesting. So a lot of times what can happen too is we have really large customers that want to use SaaS applications in the cloud that maybe perhaps aren't enabled with SSO or standards-based SSO to begin with. So a lot of times they'll come to us and they'll say, you know, we want to use this new startup company from the valley and they don't provide SAML or OAuth or any type of standards-based SSO. Can you guys go enable them for us? So they'll bring us in and we can do it, you know, in a matter of hours or days and get those SPs set up and have the big customers then be able to retain control and SSO in. Okay, so now when you guys deliver this sort of single sign-on capability, right? So what is the customer, how does the customer actually interact with that? Is it delivered as a service? Can I get it on-premise? Does that ever happen? Talk about that a little bit. Yeah, we do both. Ping's been around for a very long time. We're over a 10-year-old company now. Yeah, pre-cloud. Yeah, yeah, so our original product was all, was designed for the enterprise and all on-prem. So Ping Federer is our on-premise app and a lot of companies use that to great success behind the firewall. So it's on-prem. And they manage all of it, the connections and whatnot themselves. For smaller companies that don't have infrastructure or don't want to run that stuff behind their firewall, we'd Ping One is our hosted product and it's a SaaS application. We could just offload all of the SSO and token processing to us. And we handle it all for you. We give you a nice, pretty cloud desktop that you log into once and kind of SSO out from there. In your app and service agnostic, I presume? Is that right or? App and service. So, I mean, for instance, Google Enterprise, right? Google Docs, Google, you know, spreadsheets is permeating. It's certainly a lot of smaller companies. I could bring that into my portfolio, no problem. I mean, you're agnostic to the type of application. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it depends on what the SP, the SaaS application is using for a single sign-on. But most of the time we can work with you, yep. Okay, so sometimes there's so many compatibilities that you got to work through. Is that a service that you provide? Yeah, some services aren't at, you know, standards-based SSO enabled yet. So they're not using SAML or OAuth or OpenToken or whatnot. We can come in and help them out and get that enabled for them, yeah. So talk about your boundary. I know you've given a presentation on using Splunk and Boundary to maintain production infrastructure. Talk about what boundary is. Let's start there and then we'll get into your talk. Yeah, boundaries, so it's really cool. It's kind of a real-time Cisco NetFlow type system. But it's agent-based and because we're kind of a hybrid cloud deployment, we don't have the ability to look into Cisco gear in AWS. So we can install these boundary agents on AWS nodes. We can install them in Rackspace or in our own private cloud on VMware gear and still be able to get that NetFlow data off of different applications and different system types and whatnot. Okay, so, and what's your talk on? Let's get into that a little bit. Yeah, the talks on how we use a bunch of different monitoring systems, including Boundary and Splunk, together and how Splunk kind of fits into that mix with us. So what's your takeaway of your talk? If I don't attend, what am I going to learn, you know? Give me the bumper sticker. Yeah, I talk about trust basically and how to build trust in a SaaS application, how to build trust in an organization and how you use monitoring to attain that. How to be transparent, how to be reliable, how to build reliable systems and how to kind of mash all that together and see it in one view with monitoring systems. Oh, I asked one of the practitioners yesterday. I said, I'm going to make a statement that's made a lot, a lot of people come in the cube and say this, actually, I've said it myself. And I want you to agree or disagree with it. So for the vast majority of companies, certainly small companies, many mid-sized companies, SaaS-based applications slash cloud is going to actually have better security than those organizations. Do you agree with that or disagree with that? I think, I mean, I think it depends on the SaaS company for sure, but yeah, I don't think there's any reason why SaaS can't be just as secure, if not more secure than stuff you're running behind the firewall. So I'm not surprised at your answer. We get both ends of the spectrum. So this was a practitioner, right? That basically, you know, has his view about their ability to deliver security and his response was, you know, no way. You as the service provider saying, oh, absolutely, come on in, that's great. That's part of what we do, right? It's to secure the cloud and help, you know, help companies. I tend to believe that, you know, for most companies, that's the case, but we'll see over time. Bo, well, thanks for coming on Rinside the Cube. Appreciate it. Great question, and Dave had the whole thing. I was doing a little admin work on CrowdSpots, but I appreciate, but my final question for you is, share with the folks out there the most exciting thing about this conference, and we'll end it on that. No, what's the big deal this year, in your opinion? Yeah, I think it's the advent of six and the new web frameworks and, you know, being able to provide the tools that we use every day, kind of, you know, and piping searches and whatnot and providing that to our business users throughout the company. Certainly in the cloud thing and the ecosystem's booming as well. It's a lot of good vibe here. I mean, I think people are pretty much pumped up and, you know, excited. So thanks for coming inside the Cube. We'll be right back with our next guest after this short break. This is SiliconANGLE, Wikibon's live coverage of the Splunk conference. We'll be right back.