 So question here is what question is Philanus trying to answer and what is his answer? So in case you don't know this by now Philanus is well when either Philanus nor a Highless exists, right? They're fictional Names drawn up merely for this dialogue Philanus serves as Barclay's mouthpiece, right? Everything Barclay believes he's using Philanus to as his you know Protagonist as his advocate a Highless is kind of the opposing viewpoint So the question is you know, what is what question is Philanus trying to answer? Well, you might think that he's trying to ask the question whether objects exist and that no objects don't exist No, that's not what he's trying to do. Now Philanus thinks objects exist He thinks that there are things that out there that exist and okay great But the question is whether they're material So Philanus is asking whether material substance exists whether material objects exist And his answer is is no now to be clear. He thinks objects exist The guitar behind me the wall my shirt the sun all this exists It's just not material Now for Barclay What objects are are ideas There's minds and ideas. That's what exists Not material substance Now you I think this is a little strange. I think that he's reducing a self-scepticism. No, he's dead serious, right? Objects exist They're just not material