 as our city attorney as well. Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay. And we are now streaming. All right. Thank you, Eileen. Well, welcome everyone to the August 10th meeting of the economic development subcommittee. I'm going to start out with a public comment on items, not on the agenda. Eileen, do we have anyone waiting in the queue to give us public comment on items, not on the agenda? And if you could also remind us how those comments will be, will be taken this morning. Absolutely. We do not have any raised hands at this time. Nor do we have any general public comment not related to an item for today's call. Thank you all for the public. If you wish to make a comment via zoom, please select the raise hand button. If you are dialing in via telephone, please dial star nine to raise your hand. Each speaker will have three minutes. A countdown timer will appear for the convenience of the speaker and viewers. Please make sure to unmute yourself when you are invited to do so. Your microphone will be muted at the end of that countdown. Additionally, for those of you who have provided early public comment, please do not forget to raise your hand. Whether it's your email or the voice mail, that costs your three minutes per item. So you will only be each member of the public is only allowed to comment once on a particular item. Thanks so much. Thank you. And that policy will continue as well. When we, during 3.2. So that was that policy is, is will run throughout the meeting. And if you could start us off. Right. So on 3.1. Okay. I'm going to, I think, can you, oh, here I found. So I'm going to elevate the courts of panelists as well. And if Amy Lyle is available. She can come on up too. So this item is really just, I wanted to be a short introductory conversation because we want to save most of our time, obviously, but we want to make sure that we have our, our short term rentals. But really it comes from statements that we heard during the, RPP genie one time funding study session that you had, and I believe Victoria, you're the one who sort of introduced this idea of. A desire to understand programs, projects and initiatives through, through a lens of economy, and a sense of sustainability. And so I just kind of wanted to open up a conversation, a quick conversation or just an introduction to what this means to you, how we might be able to pursue this. And really specifically, perhaps what it is to model it through the economic development subcommittee. To see if we can answer the, the, your questions through this, this model. To the one time funds, but can we, or should we, and as your desire to make it more of a consideration for other things. And then lastly, I just want to point out that the county is modeling, at least on the equity front, when it comes to not just their one time funding, but I think in general they're looking to have this integrated more broadly. And then lastly, also the presidents, at least on equity, I did an executive order on advancing racial equity for underserved and supportive underserved communities. And then the final element to this is the, the greenhouse gas, sort of environmental report just came up and it doesn't look good. So that is just laying it out. And it's, we're here, Amy, Sakura and Beatriz to kind of understand what you're interested in it and how we might be able to help. You know what, maybe what we could start is how staff heard the council and what, what their understanding is, what we were looking for, and then allows, firstly, Victoria to, and to augment and enhance the, that understanding, if necessary, and then they may have been captured because that's, there's a looking, that lens is an important one. And we want to make sure that everyone is, at least in the beginning, kind of on the same page. So we're walking in the same direction. Well, I can tell you what I heard was very specific was economy equity and sustainability very specifically related to the one time fund request that you were presented at the next study session. And where I saw an opportunity is, because I don't know the degree to which that will be applied for the next study session, I think we're still working that out. But where I saw the opportunity is when, when things become, come before you, so we potentially may have universal basic income. We will definitely have childcare. Are there other initiatives that that will be seeing, you know, I can't think of them off the top of my head, of course, under pressure, but other things that we might be seeing that, that would have an element of, or where you would like data or, you know, an understanding of, of some degree of analysis on, on whatever the subject might be. So minimum wage, you know, we did that a couple of years ago. Was that 2019, 2020? You know, obviously we have a lot to say about the economy. There was a huge portion of equity. I don't know if there was anything to sustainability specific to that one, but we can certainly look at, at the items that come before this subcommittee and, and see and then pull in the experts to comment on opportunities. And then from there, this is not what you said, but from there, my mind started thinking, well, depending on, you know, what we identify through those conversations, are there sub things or other elements that we can bolster or pursue in order to better achieve what we're looking to do. So it's really, it's a, it's a question of progress and alignment is what, is what we're looking for. Does that help? It does. It kicks the ball off. And that's, and that's really what we want to do is, you know, kick the ball first and, and, and let's, you know, see also get, get some more comments of those that either see things that, that, where there's agreement or also enhancement. So Carl, how, what did, what did you hear us say? Well, I certainly still looking for some clarity and depth, but what I thought generally that you were asking for, particularly around the ARPA dollars is a way to help you prioritize your decision making, because everything that will come before you is certainly something that will be valuable for the city. The question is, which ones do we fund first with this, with this funding and how can we help you think about those decisions so that you can feel confident in the decisions you're making as a council. So when I heard the discussion about equity, it really was around and these three pillars was around how, how will we make decisions and how will we prioritize and they are, you know, big questions coming before you. And so however we can help with that framework and the ways in which it makes sense to you. We're certainly ready and available. Excellent. Thank you. Amy. Yeah, I would agree with the quarrel on that, but I did want to make sure that you all have had an introduction with Beatrice, who I think you all have met at this point, but also for the community's benefit. Beatrice is our equity and public health planner, and we're really blessed to have her on our team. Because as you know, with our general plan update, it really does touch all parts of our government and especially related to land use. So she's really going to be key in infusing conversations related to equity and all, all of those things and it's doing outreach to our vulnerable populations. But she is funded through Kaiser Grants for a three year program. And part of that grant opportunity is to also create our institutional knowledge and move us along in terms of equity, which is just a really great vision that they had and that we were able to take advantage of. So we do hope that, you know, that, that kind of lives on in our department and that we're able to continue her position and just that work in general with support of support now as well. So we are kind of harnessing that opportunity and we'll have more to add, but we will certainly keep her in the loop with the items that come before the subcommittee and provide that additional lens and input as, as you see fit. Yep. Outstanding. Thank you. Good to see you. Welcome. Welcome aboard. And anything you'd like to add to this, this topic this morning. Thank you. No, I totally agree with Sakura and Amy and I wish I would like to just tell you that we're collaborating with the GIS team to also create maps from the city that have information not only about income, race and ethnicity, but also environmental issues. And I think resilient sense of sustainability are two other topics that intersect in our city and exactly the same communities. And this is specific for the area of Roseland and the Southwest of the city where we have concentrations of pollution besides lower income census tracks. So this just mentioned in terms of the environmental part of this conversation and we can talk more about specifics, but just to make it available for all the projects or the work that would be, yeah, that would be that you would be doing on the subcommittee, but also for other subcommittees and to provide this equity perspective, not only on the part of demographics, but also in the built environment and health related issues. Well, yeah, I think people forget how that how the environmental intersects so clearly with the others as well. It can get lost. And it's so they intersect on, they are inseparable. So that's a good point. Stephanie, legal perspective you'd like to offer at this point or are you good to go? Good to go. Thank you. All right. Excellent. Victoria. So what is, what are we, did we hit the marks? Or are there some, you know, if it's all right with you, John, I would just like to touch on a few different topics. Most importantly, I think here would be Sakura's glasses. Yes. Good point. I don't know how we got this far into the meeting without knowing how fabulous they are. I was going to mention it, but I'll just hold back. Yeah, I know that's, that's the point of privilege of being a woman in this situation. Like all those are some, some exciting glasses. Yes. So first of all, thank you. Right. You said John for bringing this item forward. I think that economic development is a fantastic place to take what I was hoping would be. An approach to helping the council decide on how to prioritize things. As well as an approach to help the entire institution think beyond our own silos. I have great concerns about, you know, if. If transportation and public works pushes back on fee reductions and housing, how that impacts things, you know, like if we, if we're going to look at things dollar for dollar or, and I'm not picking on transportation below or something about, you know, the fees that we collect for development and if we lose them here, where do we gain them? How can we develop a more holistic perspective on if my department loses a little bit in revenues, how are we investing that money that might otherwise be lost? And how can we develop a sense of broadly thinking about things? Cause we're in a really exciting point in government and also a really terrifying time in human history. And so we have limited resources, but we have more resources than we've ever had. And what I'm looking for as a policy maker is guidance on which items meet our, and I'm assuming that, you know, equity, sustainability and economy are three of the most important goals to the council. The council hasn't said that I was talking about my own personal goals and it seemed to have gained some traction. So we'd have to go back to the council if we wanted to, you know, become, get to a point of everybody saying, yes, this is how we want to look at these things. But what I was hoping for is in specific to the ARPA funds, but I would love it if this came from everything for everything that comes before us is generally a rating. And I would propose that we'd have the managerate economic development, the DEI person, hopefully the DEI person will gain influence and a greater position. I find it a little baffling that that's in human resources and not its own office like the county has done. I think that's really problematic. But then we'd have that person and perhaps somebody from planning like Beatrice, which also we should just have a planner that we, we employ after that grant expires and that those three people would be evaluating everything in terms of how high it rates on that. So we can differentiate in our efforts. Like we're coming up on goal setting in large part to rank for city staff, what's, what's most important to us because we only have so many resources. And so that ranking is really important. And it also allows different departments to sort of conceptualize where they fit within things. And I also like council member Schwedhelm's perspective about then what is easy and high impact. And if we can have that matrix alongside what does it meet our values as an institution, then we can start investing most heavily in those areas and taking off the things that our residents most need. So it's, it's to me, it's really too pronged. It's helping me evaluate policy and it's helping you to think about these things and everything you do. So if your boss or your manager says, oh, you know, this doesn't meet our department budget, you have some ability to say, yeah, but it meets these council goals. And this is how the council is asked us to evaluate things. Really good points. And when, as we are moving into goal, goal setting, I think we'll be able to have that conversation. And you mentioned council member Schwedhelm's comment about how to measure where, kind of where we go first. And maybe, and I'm sure we'll be having those conversations. It will help inform our future as, what ends up on our agenda in this subcommittee. So that those will be important conversations to have. And if I might add, you know, I eventually I'd love for something really similar to like a CEQA evaluation, not taking as long or as detailed, but just sort of like what's the impact, you know, on the, you know, on the general high on this, you know, all of these things and, and what's the recommendation from staff and, you know, and then taking that and applying Tom's matrix. And so if you have two things that are equal, but what is really easy to do, then, you know, maybe we start there. Yeah. Good point. And I appreciate the willingness to do that too, because as opposed to, you know, high in the sky, which, that few fall in that category, but going to those that are easiest with the highest impact. It just makes sense, especially with limited resources. So I appreciate that. Eddie, any, any, anything to throw in there and get us going on this project? Well, for me, it's a little bit different between the, how we're going to implement opposed to what we're going to implement. I believe my perception of what Council on Victorious was stating was what projects are we going to push forward. And I think it was just reiterated right now, what programs are we going to move forward and using the matrix from, from Councilman Swalham, but it's not so much how we're going to implement the programs, but where we're going to get the most return on the investment and what will affect the community in a positive fashion. What, again, that with the word, what comes into play, really not how we're going to do it. The word how for me is going to be more of our outreach strategies that we implement to the community and really bringing them forward. I could tell you that right now with the road repair that's happening in Southwest San Rosa, I'm getting a great amount of feedback. The city, the people of Roseland specifically are seeing that changes are happening and I'm seeing the participation level increase 10 fold. Now they're saying, you know, how do we come in, but involved, we're seeing that the city is listening. We're seeing that the city is participating and we're seeing that there's changes that are happening in our home. So we're definitely seeing that the change of direction and really the way that people are perceiving government in Roseland. So now that we're capturing the hearts, now it's what can we do to really implement changes? The what, what can we do? And that's really where I see the equity lens of how can we get the most return on investment, whether it's the childcare, whether it's moving forward with the Roseland project. And that's a big topic that's happening right now in the district. And we're seeing the what can we do? So for me, the equity lens really is the what positive changes can we produce in the community with the ARPA funds and maybe even further, what other grants are there out there available that would help us stack that fund, fund accounts so we can actually make more changes in the future. I know that there's different programs coming from the state in regards to childcare. And I actually want to present those at race. I just received the yesterday from my friend, Dwayne Dwick. He and I have been in great conversation and there's plenty of programs that he's actually out there trying to proactively seek. I would love to see those funds being chased and trying to acquire for more equity change. And again, for me, the word equity means what more than it means how. I appreciate that. And it's nice to hear the input from the community because we don't get a lot of good news these days. And so hearing that they're feeling heard and that they're seeing change is really important. And that will help us as we move into the future and being the self-help community, Santa Rosa being self, majorly self-help in many areas that will help to receive those, the funding that is, they see a community that's doing a good job. They want to support that. And I'm hoping that we can get some of the money that other communities will not necessarily receive because they're not already well-established and going down the track. So it's good to hear the positive feedback back from the community. And their involvement is why things are happening on a regular basis in Rosalind. That in addition to a commitment, not only by the council, but by staff as well. So it's really important. And if I could add to that, right now Rosalind specifically checks all the boxes when it comes to the ARPA funds that would be invested into certain communities. So I see that as a positive and really maybe it's the amount of pain that we suffered throughout the decades, but now it's almost like a reward that we should be expecting from our federal government. And if we could definitely buy for those funds, the stage is set. And I would love to see us go for more funds and be on the ARPA, be on other programs that are available to us. I really see the need for them. And again, we check off the boxes. It's definitely an opportunity. Well, that's what it takes when you're going for grant funding. So that's, that's, that's good news. Well, if everyone's okay with that, I'm going to move to public comment on this item. Eileen, do you have anyone waiting to comment on 3.1? Yes, we do have one individual. Just one moment. And Mr. Frazier, you are free to unmute and please let me know if you're able to see the time around your screen. Yes, I am. I hope you can hear me okay. We can. Thank you. Yes, this is Eric Frazier. I'm a resident of Santa Rosa. And I very much appreciate this on today's agenda. I especially enjoyed hearing the comments of council member Alvarez and some of the staff regarding this issue. It strikes me though that in order to be sincere about economy, equity and sustainability, the city must be committed to transparency, truth and justice. And in our observation, the city is nowhere near that. We'll see many topics coming forward. Where the city and the city staff and electeds tried to obfuscate the issues. Engage in disinformation and propaganda. And the city staff and the city staff are not truthful to the public or to the people that elected them. Are getting away with what appears to be fraud and public finance. So we do question the commitment. The serious commitment. That's necessary. In order for. Economy, equity and sustainability. To have any relevance. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Frazier. I mean, any other comments? Yes, we do have an additional individual. Okay. If you're able to see the timer. Yes, I see it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I was gig hideout. Burbank gardens neighborhood, Santa Rosa resident. Full disclosure. Also part time city staff or it, but I'm not on working right now. So this is my private personal opinion. When you're talking about. Many complicated social issues. Economics, equity, sustainability. You know, in one way or another, everything involves all these things. You know, you know, you know, you know, you can't make changes or decisions to make by the council and you basically have to vote yes or no. And everything is involved. Well, how do you say, well, which is more important? How do you evaluate all these different. Essentially human characteristics and effects. That's not, there's not necessarily a number or amount that you can say, okay, how much is it is. So what you have to do is you have to prepare. things are the specific issue is on a general, you know, category like equity, for example. So you have to make a scale in qualitative terms, like affects a thousand people or completely changes lifestyles or makes it extremely difficult to get a job or whatever you determine the issues of equity that you're evaluating at a certain level as to be very serious to not serious. How do you determine what's serious? You have to define that before, you know, the issue comes up to a vote. So that will take some work and some thought to make those scales. But if you have a scale for economy and a scale for equity and a scale for, you know, sustainability based on qualitative things, then when an issue comes up to the council to vote yes or no, you can say, let's say, okay, equity, well, it's sort of a two. Okay, so that is sustainability, well, it's kind of a three. Okay. And then you can basically, you know, make your decision. Otherwise, everything is involved with everything. And you're always stuck with that dilemma of, well, you know, you're helping some, but you're hurting others. So that that's, that's my, that's my comments basically a social evaluation technique that needed to be set up in advance. So that's all I have to say and good luck with that. I may be able to help actually, but that's a different topic. Okay, thank you. Bye. Thanks, gig. And you just articulated part of the challenge of moving forward and why, why we have some really great people working on those very on the very scales that you're talking about. So it's part of our challenge. But thank you for your comments. Eileen, any others? That is the last public comment for this item. I would like to just take a moment as we have some additional people join the beginning of the call. For the individuals who provided early comment, whether that was via voicemail or email, that constitutes the three minutes that each individual is allotted for a specific item. Thank you for that clarification. So let's move on then to 3.2, right? So you want to kick this off or go ahead? Before we do, I just want to just conclude this just to make sure I understand what I'm going to do. So until we're directed by council, that's a different thing related to the RPI PGD funds that would have to come through council and the city manager or some other direction, but specific for this, for what we see through this program. So Sakura Beatrice, Amy and I will sort of meet and sort of figure out what that might look like going forward to help guide things because we have a number of things that I think would be good trials coming up in the September agenda. Good point. Thanks for clarifying that. Victoria. Yeah, I just wanted to mention that much of what Greg mentioned in his public comment, I thought were useful supplements to my comments in terms of helping us to get away from the, well, some people lose and some people win from every decision that we make. This is probably too broad a feedback or a vision for easily implementing quickly. And so I hope that it's not overwhelming and I didn't give you guys too much to consider rather just a way to look at things. Yeah, no, it was really, really helpful. And so I think we have something to work with and it's a better understanding, at least as it pertains to this subcommittee on how we can move forward and actually maybe model it. This is a really exciting, sorry to cut you off, subcommittee. And this is a good start too, because I was, you know, there could be so many different ways to approach this and we have to pick one and go and then make adjustments as time goes on. Good input, excellent input, I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay, so now, yeah, for the next item is. So 3.2. Yeah, short term stay. So we're going to elevate a number of other people and I'm going to hand this over actually to Sherry Needs to present. Good morning, Chair Sawyer and members of the council. Eileen, we're going to, I have a brief presentation to go along with our discussion. The main thing I want to say is that today we're here to talk about short term rentals, what's happening right now and we're going to go over some policy considerations for discussion. Our main objective is for us to come away with some direction for how to proceed with this short term rentals, also known as vacation rentals, Airbnb, VRBO, we've all heard of them. How best to make sure that they're compatible with our city. Next slide please. So what exactly is a short term rental? A short term rental, as opposed to a long term rental, is when someone is renting a private residence for 30 days or less. There's different types of short term rentals. And we're looking today mainly at hosted short term rentals where someone is actually remaining in the residence while they're renting it out and then non-hosted or whole house short term rentals, which are what we tend to hear the most about in the community. Next slide please. So right now there are 197 registered short term rentals as of July 2021. And what registered means, next slide please, is that they're signed up, registered to pay their transient occupancy tax and their business improvement area assessment. The BIA, which is what I'll call it from now on, is a 3% assessment and the TOT is a 9% assessment. And what you can see here is that in 2020, that is the amount we received for both the TOT and the BIA and what we've received so far in 2021. And keep those numbers in mind as we move through the presentation. Next slide please. So now we're going to talk about what's happening out there. We have been talking with a third party compliance firm that is part of the Granicus suite that we use for gov delivery and all that type of thing. And they provided us with some data. They did a web scrape of over 60 different platforms where short term rentals are advertised and they found that there are 358 unique short term rentals operating in the city at this time. And of those, most of them are a single family home and most of them are the whole house being rented out as a short term rental. And that data is current as of July. Next slide please. So if you take the difference between the number that is really operating and what's registered, you come up with 161 that are currently not in compliance. They're not registered. They're not paying their TOTs and their BIA assessment. So host compliance also provided a median nightly rate. Obviously that's going to change as different ones come on and have higher rates. Some have lower rates, but at a $225 median nightly rate and a 76% average occupancy rate, this is what the bottom of the slide shows what hypothetically what we're missing on revenue for those 161 unregistered short term rentals. If you look at those numbers and then think back to the slide before, you can see that there's also potentially a lot of revenue that's not being captured for those that are registered. Next slide please. So now we're going to talk about what concerns do we have with short term rentals in the community? What are we hearing from constituents? I'm going to talk about the items on the left hand side and then I'm going to have John Cregan, police captain talk about the things on the right hand side. So as far as the community, we're hearing a lot about renter displacement. We're hearing that people are losing their neighbors to short term rentals. We're hearing about super hosts. Okay. So I used the wrong term here. It was pointed out by one of our constituents that a super host is actually a very good host and I probably meant mega hosts. So I got the jargon wrong here, but super hosts, mega hosts are people that come in and they're operating nine, 10 of these and they're not necessarily residents. They're potentially venture capital ownership, LLCs, that type of thing coming in and they're just investment properties. And overall, these can decrease available housing stock because if something's being rented short term, it's not being rented long term or sold to our community members. Certain neighborhoods are definitely feeling the effect of these more than others. And so we need to take a look at over concentration and overall commercialization of residential neighborhoods. How is this affecting community character and neighborhoods? Also, there's a bit of an uneven playing field between other lodging providers where they're subject to audit, they have to have inspections and many other regulations in place to be able to to operate as a business and short term rental owners basically take some pictures of their house, put it on a platform and they're in business. So, and it's not that simple, that's a very short way of looking at it, but there are low barriers to entry into that business. And I've heard continuously about tension between short term rental owners and neighbors where neighbors are actually trying to contact the owners of the short term rentals and are finding aggressive response. So with that, I'm hoping John Cregan can shed some light on the items on the right hand side of the table. Absolutely. Thank you, Sherry, and thanks council members for letting us present on this topic. And for Sherry's last point, what an understatement about the tension between short term rental owners and the neighbors. And that's where the police department gets followed. And so we've seen a dramatic increase over the last couple of years escalating year by year with neighbors calling in, they're frustrated, and the lack of an ordinance in the city of Santa Rosa kind of bounces them around sometimes going for the planning department and code enforcement and then coming to the police department. And a lot of the issues are centered around and we'll go through some of them that Sherry has here. But overwhelmingly, it's large parties and events being held weekend after weekend and neighborhood and neighborhood residential neighborhoods. And you're seeing bachelor parties, bachelorette parties, weddings, and just general weekend parties. And then on 4th of July and Labor Day and Memorial Day weekend, you see these large groups coming in and moving into smaller residential homes. But the often we're seeing the prices much higher 750 a night to there's one that I get calls on frequently behind out in Montesino Heights at 1700 a night. And so for that, they're getting large groups that all split the cost and you have 15 or so to 20 people staying there and they're party until late into the night. And then you're seeing some of the things here with noise into the late night hours, trash left outside lights on in the backyard as they're out there enjoying kind of the weekend. And another big one that comes in for the residential neighborhoods is parking that these homes are designed for the two cars in the driveway, maybe a third out front. But now you're seeing eight to 15 cars coming to these neighborhoods for the weekend and they're parking all over the place. That exacerbates some of the tension between the residents and the neighbors there and it leads to the police department getting called. But there's not a whole lot with the current ordinance in place that we can do, especially over parking ordinances, unless they're just violating some of the existing parking laws that we have. Another thing that comes in with the unique complexities of here and Santa Rosa is this difficult with evacuation impacts. And when we have people sometimes from out of the area and they're not necessarily connected to Nixle or through some of the neighbor structure that we have. So that's another impact that we have here. The open and unintended fires. So you'll see that most of these hoses are putting hot tubs and fire pits. And sometimes people if they don't have a fire pit will create their own fire pit in the backyard. So these are just a quick summary of some of the calls. But the overall issue that we have right now is without an ordinance in place, the police department doesn't really have a lot of tools to take enforcement action. I've personally been involved with working with some of the neighbors and one of them is kind of talking like the mega host that we have. The mega host tends to be the most problems because it's not like a mom and pop resident that they have a little bit more care for the neighborhood. So one of the individual he owns 12 actually has in our community of the short term rentals. And I personally call them after getting complaints from the neighbors and just says, Hey, I put a note on the fridge. Like what else do you want me to do? I put a note saying don't be partying after 10 o'clock at night. But obviously the residents who are the temporary residents there don't pay much attention to that. And then the neighbors are just so frustrated after weekend after weekend of really having an impact on their their home lives and talking about kids who can't sleep at night because of the loud partying and it just turns into such an impact. So we have some who are just saying, Hey, we're leaving the neighborhood, we're selling our homes, we're, we're moving out of Santa Rosa just because we can't deal with it anymore. Or they voice a lot of frustration to the police department. So it's difficult for us because we're trying to do a better job of providing some service to our community. And hopefully looking for some more tools to be able to support our line level staff out there dealing with this. And that's it for me, Sherry, unless you have anything else for me. No, you were great, John. Thanks. Next slide. I do have a question for John. Do you, in your tracking of these calls, if they are being tracked, do you have a sense of the percentage of your calls for service are related to short term rentals? That's a great question. So I've been trying to do a better job of quantifying that because what makes it really difficult right now is that they're often just entered on generic things of noise complaints or fights or parking. And it doesn't have that subcategory of showing it as a short term rental because our, our records management system doesn't like separate a short term rental fight call versus a just a regular fight call in a neighborhood or our parking issue. So we're working internally of some ways that we can capture that. It becomes difficult for dispatchers when they receive thousands of different types of calls to have all these little small little niches that they're trying to category. So I'm working with our dispatch record staff and Sherry has been a has been a leading force behind this of helping like organize some of our city efforts and for us. And so right now I get complaints a lot to just come off like our general complaint line and people will send them. So Sherry in our office, we're working better between planning and code enforcement and the police department to coordinate those complaints and to be able to get a better log of those. But I can't tell you an accurate percentage of our police calls for service. I can tell you this anecdotally of overseeing our field service division the last couple of years that it's certainly increasing and kind of the frustrations from the neighbors. Those calls that I get in voicemails emails and through community meetings is certainly on the rise. Thank you for that council any questions for John. I'll stay here for the rest of the presentation to if anything else comes up for public comments or from the rest of the discussion. Okay thanks I appreciate that. Yeah now's maybe a good time for me to mention that we actually have a pretty deep bench again today. John is obviously here we have Claire Interim City Manager. We have Megan Lackey who's a code enforcement officer so she's out there in the field. We have Jesse Oswald our chief building official Alan Alton Deputy Director of Finance and of course Raissa who has taken some of these emails as well. So next slide please. Wait before we move on Victoria did you want to ask John a question? You know I did I first of all I really appreciate the the level and clarity of the presentation so far both from Sherry and John and I think I'll hold my questions till further on since he's sticking around. Thank you. Excellent thanks Victoria. And we also are getting some questions also in the chat piece. Are those being tracked? I mean yeah we can track those. Okay just because some of them some of them are at least now so one is already has been answered but another one they're bringing up some important possibilities. Things to consider in the future as we as we move down this road. So go go ahead Sherry. Thank you. So Eileen we can move ahead. So this is just an example of how bad it can get. One of the questions I briefly took a look at the chat is are we hearing are these widespread are they mainly about the same address? There is one address that during the months of June and July more than 30 complaints were received from 14 different people so it's not just one person it's it's the neighbors in general and so it can get that bad. Next slide please. Now the slide is looks a little overwhelming but what I've tried to do here is provide a menu of options of things we can look at that will help enforce an ordinance that can make you know make a difference and increase neighborhood compatibility safety and try to get rid of any of the nuisance factors and where these came from are other jurisdictions these are all things that I've looked at you know probably 50 different jurisdictions and and tried to see what is working for them and how they have managed to create an ordinance that is not only that is enforceable so I don't think we'll go through each one of these here but I'm hoping by the end of the presentation if you guys have had a chance to look at this we can discuss it further we can always come back to this to get an idea of what you guys consider the most important things to focus on. There's another page of them next slide please. So these are all again things that we can look at things that we can look at in detail. Next slide please. So as good as an ordinance can be it's nothing without enforcement and so this slide points out that it's a multi-jurisdictional I'm sorry a multi-departmental multifaceted effect that effort that will be required to enforce whatever ordinance that we do pass that it involves police code enforcement planning finance and a third party potential which I'll discuss a little bit later in the program support area and some of the mechanisms again we look at an annual review a renewal and the reason for this would be to verify that they're paying their TRTs and BIA that they have it's a good way to balance that with any complaints that have been lodged against the property increasing financial penalties so that it's not just a cost of doing business if you will if there's only a hundred dollar fine and somebody's charging $1,700 a night that's not necessarily going to have much teeth to it and then ultimately permit revocation would be something to consider for multiple offenses. Next slide please. So there are different pathways that we want to talk about today and the typical pathway for an ordinance is to have a draft ordinance go through the planning commission to city council and as you can see and this is an optimistic timeline if we did this typical but streamlined pathway it would most likely not be effective until March April sometime around that point in 2022 and that's barring any emergencies that could delay it even more. An urgency ordinance on the other hand we do a draft ordinance we would come back to the subcommittee and and review that with you guys and then it would go to city council and become effective immediately. Next slide please. So with the streamline ordinance we would just be looking at these particular things which is it's not different from a urgency ordinance in terms of content it's more in terms of speed with which it's done. It does include planning commission vetting which an urgency ordinance would not. Next slide please. So the urgency ordinance is something that is possible if it is for the immediate preservation of public peace health or safety which obviously this rises to we've checked with legal and have been given the go ahead if this is if this is something that the subcommittee recommends it does require a five of seven council vote for adoption. Next slide please. So program support having a short-term rental ordinance program ordinance and program is not free and it does take staff time so as you guys are thinking about goals and that type of thing we will be expecting that finance will have effort involved planning fire code enforcement um and how that could be offset would be through service fees inspections permitting and penalties and then a third party support um offers a kind of a an entry level code enforcement if you will they provide the address identification and all of these to all of the things listed on the slide which can really help avoid burdening code enforcement and police they're that first line of defense if you will. Next slide please. So next steps we want to obviously hear your feedback as I mentioned I'm hoping to get an idea of where you want us to go with this how you would like us to to move forward we will obviously continue to receive feedback from the public and then depending what you guys tell us to do we're going to create and create and adopt have an ordinance adoption and then next steps will be to implement it and enforcement next slide please next thank you so we also have developed a um web page for this project as you can see from the top URL and then for anybody that wants to send um comments questions um complaints anything like that we've created a specific web email address so that everything goes to one central spot and that's at short-term rentals at srcity.org it's it's monitored daily by planning staff um and so it it's the best way rather than sending it to multiple different people so that we can keep track of them I've kept a log of all email uh conversations that I've had since May um as we've started to ramp this up and so it's been really helpful now to be able to to be able to log them from one certain spot so with that um we're open for questions and feedback and take it away thank you very comprehensive um report and presentation I appreciate that um let's let's start with council council let's start with questions questions for this great group of staff members that are here to tackle this issue. Jen before we start I will tell you we're having a difficult time to zoom um the chat feature for public meetings is not supposed to be on because it's not a fair um participation as we understand it so um we're capturing what's there but um if you if um council can just ignore the chat feature right now um anybody willing to make a comment um please raise your hand during public comment period. And I do want to say that we actually skipped over a relatively important slide um before the next step slide if we could go back to that I feel like we've talked a lot about the issues and concerns but I also want to highlight that there are opportunities from short-term rentals and so that's listed on the slide and we have heard from people about how it has benefited them to have these alternative lodging options and from others who have said it's really helped provide an income source um for them to be able to stay in their home so I don't want to gloss over that and not make sure that we highlight that as well so now we can go back to the last slide and answer questions. Thanks Sherry. So council Victoria did you have question you were the first one to mention you might have some questions. Yeah I do have some questions thank you let's see so one of the things I wanted to talk about or get more information about is around enforcement and you mentioned that it's quite comprehensive that it hits planning police and code enforcement I'm curious to know if we have a sense of the proportionality that these calls how how much a drawn resources that these calls for service across the department's create and what proportion each department receives I mean I imagine a noise complaint is dealt with differently than a fight a fight seems pretty obviously police but also if you could run me through how how a decision tree gets made of which department whether it's sworn or civilian response these various calls. Go ahead Sherry. Oh I was just going to say that planning we deal only with regular old complaints I you know I've talked to code enforcement and I'm still having this problem with my neighbor can you guys please pass an ordinance can you please ban these that type of thing that's what I'm hearing from John you can fill in more and maybe Jesse from the code side about your team. Yeah so it's certainly a team effort I would say a lot of times the initial calls are coming into the police department and frankly because that's just what people know the number 911 are to whatever so that and for most things that you see in society they start with the police department like hey and then so we're trying to do what we can to kind of refer to go hey that's more of a code enforcement issue with them and doing because especially one of these ongoing issues of like hey every weekend and it's not occurring right now and so that's what we're getting most of the time is like the the residents that they pointed to with the party bus and and we have probably 15 of those really problem residences in the city that the group of neighbors are very frustrated they're angry and they kind of so they first call saying hey at one o'clock in the morning they're out in the hot tub and they're doing so we will send an officer there and tell them hey guys go inside the problem that we have is usually 15 minutes later they come back outside a lot of times alcohol is involved and right now there's no system in place where we know who the owners of the homes are so we don't have an easy way for the officer the call the actual owner of the residence is saying hey you need to do something and the biggest issue is when we do get ahold of the owners some owners so it's all about balance some owners are responsive and will work toward it but right now there's not much of a financial incentive for the owner to do anything because there is no conditional youth permit or it's nothing that we can pull away from them so they kind of just say what do you want me to do like talk to the people at the party like it's it's their problem but what we're seeing with some of the successful models across the california is of having more consequences of pulling away the permit if they don't comply with these noise ordinances and that gives the owners a lot more incentive to make sure that they're keeping these parties they're limiting the size and that they also are making the rules and restrictions very clear for those who are utilizing their vacation rental thank you that's really helpful i suppose we'll have more detailed questions about how to to fund and support the various enforcement aspects whether it's through code or police or likely a combination of that as we get further into this probably very complicated ordinance i do have a question for the planning team around the impacts if any that you perceive this to have on our ability to meet our arena obligations i can only speak to the fact that if there are 300 and whatever number i said before homes being used to short-term rentals they're potentially not being used for long-term rentals um and those are those could be used for arena and right now ad use cannot be used as short-term rentals um but it it's still potentially affecting housing stock and how we get to having enough housing for our community members because by my calculations i'm guessing it's about you know if all of those homes were to be on all of them were to be on the market which is a really extreme proposal that would mean about 10 percent or our annual getting close to our annual obligation so it's not insignificant correct and from the map it seems like they're heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods right and i'm claire hartman um interim assistant city manager uh but also overseeing planning um currently the the issue has been addressed with ad use so as we as the city develops ordinances um newer ordinances around our housing opportunities so for example our ad ordinance and then recently when we were looking at their new enterprise districts housing fund you know adding a stipulation that that those monies that are supposed to go for housing don't don't go into supportive vacation rentals short-term rentals um we are starting to look at these loopholes where we would normally be pushing resources into production of housing where we're losing them with this with this interest in short-term rentals and i think the the increase in short-term rentals is a real thing for santa rosa where we haven't had an ordinance we haven't needed to regulate vacation rentals but we're at this critical point now where it is impacting our housing stock and we haven't come out of our housing crisis yet so we still need we still need that flexibility um and so that is why we're bringing it because it is kind of getting to that point where it is starting to impact our availability of housing okay thank you um and i see that we have um megan from code enforcement is there anything else on either anything that you've heard here today that you'd like to add um just piggybacking off of john's um presentation code enforcement primarily does the daytime hours as far as regulation goes um so we're Monday through Friday typically the eight to five um business hours so um we really work cohesively with the police department with making sure that we if the the complaints going forward and um how we enforce it with the the policies and procedures that's helpful to know how that works thank you i don't have any more questions right now thanks to trade any any questions for the team oh thank you thank you uh for myself i appreciate the the amount of information that was given to us today especially comparing our ordinances to our fellow cities uh here in the surrounding areas and what they've done to really curtail the issues that they're facing i do see the need to present this to city council and even if in the in emergency form just because of of the lack of of peace that's being uh offered to our residents now how we go about doing so again thank you for the part of of the consequence to the owner who could simply say deal with the with the tenants where they're presently i think simply passing the buck is really not finding the solution especially for those people uh dealing with the with the negative impacts of of these short term rentals uh questions i believe most of the questions were actually answered i'm very thankful for that and it was really just how can we hold the owners accountable how can we hold the the the tenants accountable and what are other cities doing to to really address the issues so for myself it's really moving it forward and and to our our full council and seeing what they have to say i definitely see the need for it thank you eddie and and i did hear sherry mentioned that she gathers um a fair number of these policy considerations from other communities as well so other communities that have dealt with this these same challenges are helping us um will help us as we go down this path i have lots of comments i don't have any questions um at this point but perhaps what we can do is move to public comment and then bring it back to to the team um after we hear those eileen do we have a public comment pardon yes we do have public comments um the first uh commenter will be sharon sharon if you could uh test your audio and uh confirm that you're able to keep the timers please sharon um perhaps we can go back to sharon um we'll go ahead and start with kenal hello this is rick abit should i talk yes oh um for sharon for sharon for sharon yes absolutely um thanks for seeing yeah i actually had some prepared comments but i wanted to thank first of all chair sawyer and members fleming and alvarez for allowing us to talk to the subcommittee today sharon and i live at uh santa rosa in the fourth council district directly across the street from 26 11 sunrise avenue in august of last year this house became a short-term rental listed on air b&b as having nine bedrooms and accommodating 18 people it has been regularly occupied by large parties of guests whose stays have generally been less than one week it is one of three homes within our neighborhood owned by the same out-of-town corporation since last august we and our neighbors have experienced most of the negative aspects of short-term rentals we have endured loud parties conversation and music lasting until one two and three a.m we have been subject to mounds of unsightly unsanitary rat-infested trash heaps lasting from sunday until the following friday when recology picks up we have nearly collided with cars driven by guests workers and delivery services proceeding the wrong way up our one way street in short the character of our neighborhood has been changed for the worst and our quality of life has deteriorated due to this nuisance across the street more specifically we and our neighbors have placed nine calls for service to the police over the past year these requests for service have been registered as late as four in the morning we have reported several code violations to the city during this period we have called the host numerous times advising of excessive noise after 10 p.m and yet we still experience the same issues as you consider an ordinance to address the short-term vacation rentals we implore you to consider the impact of these rentals on our residential neighborhoods and on the supply of housing available for our permanent residents thank you and we look forward to your to your ordinance thank you rick eileen back to you the next individual for public comment is cano there can you hear me yes um are you able to see the screen yes please proceed um i'm coming from the perspective of a property management company we specialize in corporate rentals and vacation rentals in sinoma and urban counties um you know first off the term mega host can be misleading as a property management company we manage multiple properties but we are not the homeowner although we are listed as the host on air maybe and we are below i'm sure this is the case for many other companies such as the kasa and avan state where they're managing the company we're managing the homes but they're not the home owners so it can be misleading i'm curious how this information was captured most of our clients are homeowners that are retired people that depend on the rental income for their living expenses as long-term residents of santa rosa they have certain rights as property owners to make income up the home homes that they own as a matter of fact many of our clients have actually downsized from their bigger current home and used their um i'm sorry they've downsized from their bigger home and use their current home to stay in you know most of their kids have gone college or they've moved on so they downsized to a smaller home and use the bigger home for their rental income the noise in part concerns are you know definitely legitimate concerns we as a property management company we were proactive with this where we gave all the neighbors our contact information and implemented the quiet hours that lasted from nine p.m to seven a.m so you know although we received a few noise noise complaints nothing major has happened that couldn't be fixed with a phone call or a message to our guests um we do have properties in sonoma county as well as santa rosa so as a courtesy as a courtesy to our guests we just implemented the sonoma county guidelines in santa rosa um also during the covid lockdown we had pivoted our business model to oppose essential workers including tree cutting companies dealing with fires there's traveling nurses traveling flight attendants and other essential workers um i think we were you know huge in that part because a lot of them couldn't find housing in uh hotels and stuff so we had to give them housing during the covid lockdown and then we we are against restricting the number homes one can manage and own and the number of nights that the homes can be rented for we're also against strict occupancy limits as they do not directly deal with the problem a six person group can be allowed nuisance whereas a 12 person group can be quietly celebrating their father's 60th birthday we also would like the council to consider holding guests accountable for breaking rules such as quiet hours in parking also i don't think it is i don't think the full short-term rental market is being represented i think there needs to be a better overall understanding of this understanding of the market the revenue it brings to the city the tourism revenue brings to the city including including the wineries and especially a city that's rebuilding after the fires that hit recently a lot of small businesses are falling and people are losing their jobs due to the covid lockdown and this is not the time they're restrict but actually encourage free markets especially during a crazy time in the world in our economy thank you i'm complete thank you the next hi the next public comment will come from eric eric if you could go ahead and yes hi um are you able to hear me yes thank you well i'd like to begin by saying thank you to the whole economic development subcommittee for hosting this meeting and you know looking into this issue because it's a really important one my wife and i live in the monocito meadows neighborhood and our home backs up to the really the only short-term rental home in our neighborhood and based on all the phone calls and emails and all the surrounding residents have sent to the city i'm pretty sure this subcommittee is is familiar with the home i'm talking about um in the three years or so that this str has been operating uh the neighbors have endured all kinds of bad behavior we're talking about loud late night outdoor parties that go on till two in the morning uh large parties of 30 to 50 guests screamers and drunks and dozens of parked cars uh on both sides of the narrow street and that would really make it hard for fire trucks or emergency vehicles to get through and and i can tell you it's never simply a couple or a family looking for a weekend getaway it's multiple groups of people arriving anywhere from three to six cars or you know sometimes a lot more and uh sometimes they even show up in their own party bus i think you saw the photo of that so in short it's it's really more of a uh commercial hospitality operation or event center trying to operate in a residential neighborhood so besides you know these problems that i've talked about um str is really exacerbate the housing shortage that's a huge problem in the city so short-term rentals that allocate scarce housing resources to tourists rather than the residents need to live here on a long-term basis so banning or at least strongly limiting strs it would instantly increase the housing stock available in the city by several hundred units you know probably potentially you know 358 units based on the numbers that sherry presented so it'd be faster than any fast-track building program you could imagine so i know some short-term rental owners have said that they're small mom and pop operations and they depend on income either right now or as part of their retirement plan and i would say to those people that there are alternatives you know you could rent your property on a long-term basis instead that's an economically viable solution for those owners you know i know because my wife and i are mom and pop owners we have one rental home here in santa rosa and we're happy to be able to provide a home for a family right here in town so anyway i just want to say i strongly urge the planning department to either disallow or strongly regulate short-term rentals other cities like paul springs sonoma peddluma and other cities have been able to do it so i think we can too so that's it thank you very much thank you eileen the next public speaker will be mary k petterson mary k if you please unmute mary k if you would like to unmute and confirm your ability to keep the screen mary k has dropped off the call the next person for public comment is keeter arnold keeter if you would please unmute and confirm your ability to see the screen right yeah i can see the screen right so i um as pete arnold i'm a santa rosa resident also over the montecito meadows neighborhood i'm not going to repeat some of the stuff that's already been talked about about this property and we have very similar situation to the first commenter um the things that i wanted just to um bring to the highlight is um concern about safety we live in the uh a tier three neighborhood tier three is the highest um fire danger neighborhood in the state it represents about five percent of all the state so after um being spared from the tubs fire by about three tenths of a mile and the glass fire by about a mile uh we have great concerns about uh strangers showing up night after night into our neighborhood which is fairly wooded um and uh we might have you know a cigarette tossed away or a joint or whatever could burn our neighborhood down i have wonderful neighbors and we all have lived through these difficult times and we take care of each other and just having this steady stream of strangers in our neighborhood i think that can't be emphasized enough this invention of a phone app that can turn your house into a hotel you have a few taps of your phone and we're all supposed to just take you know while the times have changed and what used to be neighborhoods were places where you knew your neighbors and your neighbors stuck around a long time suddenly every night a new set of people into our house um into our neighborhood uh let's see all things i want to say about the possible restrictions or ordinances that i hope that it not be reactive that it puts the neighbors in uh in a place where they have to be the ones that monitor this property and complain and complain and complain to get something done that shouldn't be the responsibilities of the neighbors and also when looking at other how other uh communities would take care of this i'd like this city to look into how um Southlake Tahoe took care of it they tried to put ordinances in places and they were they found every which way to get around those ordinances they finally gave up and just disallowed short-term rentals in Southlake Tahoe i'd like to see that on the list of possibilities for um uh the solution here thank you very much thank you peter so we do have Mary Kaye Mary Kaye Patterson if you would speak um and from your ability to see the screen hi i'm sorry for the confusion before no problem this is paul petterson i'd like to speak on behalf of both of us um one of the items that has not been addressed so far other than from the commercial property management is financial impact and an element of financial impact that i don't think has been considered as the impact on homeowners who at some point will be marketing their home maybe it's time for them to downsize and they need to move or for a job change if you're adjacent or nearby to a short-term rental the value of your property may be significantly decreased because of having to disclose that property short-term rental property nearby i think that should be strongly considered in any ordinances we personally believe that in single-family residential zoning commercial enterprises like short-term rentals should not be allowed they should be restricted to commercially zoned property in the city of san aroza the other area that really needs to be considered is public safety within the last 90 days we've had two home burglaries in our area and this is exceptional we haven't had a history of that in our neighborhood and we wonder if it's related to the number of people coming and going from out of the area in the short-term rentals nearby i'd also like to address the concern of enforcement which is really key to any ordinances that are developed i would question whether we want to burden our police department public safety department with having to enforce ongoing concerns of short-term rentals i can't pick up the paper almost daily without reading about drugs illegal firearms car chases murders things that in my 70 plus years of living in sinoma county in san aroza have not been a part of the city to the degree they are now i'd rather see our law enforcement officers doing what they are trained to do and responsible for and that's keeping us safe and secure in san aroza and dealing with the crime the gang problems and so forth not with noise violations and things that we can control by properly proposing ordinances which i would suggest would eliminate short-term rentals in any single family zoned residential areas of san aroza thank you thank you mr petterson eileen the next commenter will be alan alan if you would please unmute and confirm your ability to see the screen i can see the screen wonderful thank you so um thanks uh for taking the the call my name is alan thomas and i've operated a short-term rental in the west end neighborhood for i don't know maybe six years seven years and um there's just a lot of a lot of information i've been involved in neighborhoods and things like that uh in the past uh and issues associated with some of the people that are complaining up in monocidal heights but you could uh basically put in homeless or drug dealing or all kinds of stuff and just put that you know in our neighborhood instead of short-term rentals um so to me it's really more about the criminals and the lack of the ability of the san aroza police department and the code enforcement to deal with issues that are associated with people that are doing things that are against the law the the the red herring about people coming and going is really nothing more than a red herring we have a whole new world someone said something about an app well there's a thing called uber eats there's a thing called amazon like life constantly orders things on her phone and unknown people drive reasonably and drop off packages in front of our house sometimes they're double parked and things like that so things are things are different by no means if there was a short term rental or anybody that was next to my house that was causing the issues that are associated with some of the people at the monocidal heights i would i would get to the bottom of it and figure it out so to say that short term rentals should be banned completely like south south lake toho because five percent of the rentals if we're having 15 and there's i think the planner wasn't exactly sure how many short term rentals there are in san aroza we're looking at five percent so my recommendation would be to first get everybody on board make everybody pay their fee that would be the first thing then do an assessment of the issues associated after that because as someone who has been paying for from the from the very beginning my toot tax i feel that there's an unfair advantage and then doing whatever the police department can do to deal with nuisances this is not the only nuisances in san aroza and so first get people on board and really go after the owners that aren't complying if this needs to be an emergency ordinance i'm totally okay with that and i'm totally okay with having annual inspections and fees charged to owners to operate these things so that they don't create a nuisance in the neighborhoods so again thank you for your time and i appreciate all the comments thanks alan eileen the next comment chair will be eric frazier eric if you would unmute and confirm your ability to see the screen yes thank you thank you for allowing me to comment again my name is eric frazier and i head up an organization called truth and tourism we're an ad hoc organization that concerns itself with the truth i'm also an str host in the commercial zone in san aroza it's worth noting that the urgency ordinance requires a basis of fact in fact any ordinance should require facts and facts are in short supply in this presentation that's why we requested through a cpra request a backup information about all the information that staff has provided today we alleged that most of it is not factual and in fact what we may be seeing is conspiracy between planning code enforcement and police department to cover up how they can actually address these issues with existing ordinances and laws there's a few of my other notes as well not only is the information not factual but they're talking about a third party called branicus which has which has a history of hyping problems which don't exist they missed you guys mistake the occupancy rate the number of units that are actually operating those strs you did not talk about how the platforms like air bnb and brbo collect taxes and prepare to remit them to government if there's a reciprocal agreement in place san aroza has not engaged these platforms to talk about that also with these platforms there's no discussion about the regulations and the verification that hosts and guests go through and the emergency preparation and reactions to emergencies to house victims first responders oh my goodness so much so yes the city and the police department is manufacturing tension i feel bad for the people in montecito heights because they're being victimized when there are in fact ordinances on the books to address noise permit excuse me use violations and the like within the data that we've requested when it comes to complaints and by the way when it comes to these quality of life complaints they should be enforced across everybody every type of property every resident every guest in fact the person who creates the impact should pay what you should do here is call for a workshop so that we can get to the factual basis of this you should be asking air bnb and brbo representatives to be available to testify uh one thing that was overlooked uh in the staff's presentation about other jurisdictions is the benefit of mandatory mediation when there's problems i see my time is running out but with 15 problematic houses and strs representing less than one percent of our housing stock i would say that you guys are making a mountain out of a mall hill thank you thank you mr frazier i lean yeah i can see the screen wonderful please proceed yeah i would like to uh just respond to a couple things that i've heard and not repeat uh much of what i've heard i do appreciate the comprehensive uh presentation i do feel like the city council is listening this is an urgent concern i'm a santa rosa resident that also lives in the monocidal meadows area now i have just a short three-foot wire fence between myself and the problems property i've never called the police i believe their time should be spent on bigger issues but i have had to come into my house because of profanity drinking games uh concern for some of their guests um i have grandchildren that visit us on weekends and that's when it's the worst uh we sometimes feel denied uh our own property i don't know what facts are needed for somebody that has lived in their home for 35 years and have a comfortable relationship and with our neighbors about safety and common concerns and all of a sudden there's a commercial enterprise a hotel with hot tubs and huge decks and amplified music and we have a fire pit that's only maybe 20 25 yards from the fence and we're we have a garage not that far from the fence as well and we could carry on a conversation like i am with you to the folks sitting in the fire pit and there's no visual barrier there but i refuse to engage with any of the guests because i would be careful that something might be thrown at me and they could hit me from the fire pit to my you know fence and i don't need any facts other than this is tremendously emotionally devastating and i think that should be disallowed in a residential area and i do appreciate the council's helping uh with this uh regulations self-regulation doesn't work the owner of the property can't do anything about extra guests arriving 30 or 40 people attending an event when four people signed the contract with the owner that's that's my feelings thank you for listening thank you michael hi lane yes the next commenter will be paying off um just one moment saying so i recess uh if you would please confirm your ability to speak and your ability to see the timer that would be wonderful okay can you see me yeah hear me i'm sorry um i think it's important i wasn't going to speak today uh but it sounds like a lot of the concerns are coming from one neighborhood and i think it would be unfortunate for the committee to feel like it's only one neighborhood is this really an issue when it's not i live in coffee park and short term rentals are certainly beginning to be an issue for us um i think there's one um there's definitely one on my street and i think the one behind and i don't have a concentration map like you guys do but you know one of the biggest issues is affordability in this community and when you're talking about new homes and the resell value the only people that are going to be able to afford that are the people that are buying up all these properties and making them into short term rentals i will say i have not had the issues that some of these people have voiced but i haven't had them yet i think it's naive for us to think that because it's not in my neighborhood yet it can't happen because i have a vrbo on my street that i can't have those issues it's really important for these issues to be put into place and i'd like to say that the attitude of these owners and property managers on the call today blaming the city department and police department when it's the neighbors who are calling in it is us who are calling for the problem we are not the victims of a police causing a problem these short term rentals are detrimental to our neighborhood we lost a renter and it was replaced by a vacation rental renter and the idea that a mom and pop investment is a home that brings in over eight thousand dollars a month because we get people every one to two days on average new people it's about eight thousand dollars a month that they're bringing in and if you have multiple of these it kind of exceeds my idea of what a mom and pop business looks like these are hotels that are beginning to show up in our neighborhoods and it's changing the landscape of what our neighborhood is from someone who lost my home in this community i like driving down the street and waving to my neighbor and saying hello to familiar faces as someone who has children i have neighbors that will slow down and look for my kids because we are outside and when you have strangers every day bringing in taxis and ubers and they don't know the you know the landscape of our community so they're getting their grub hub and there's just multiple vehicles on top of the too many vehicles that are already on the street it's a dangerous place for my family to be and when you rebuild and you come to this community and our community which is very strong i i do feel that this city dropped the ball on that the county does not allow and i would like you guys to add moving forward any fire zones that they do not allow any vrbo's because this is taking place and i appreciate you hearing me today thank you thank you aileen uh yes we have paddy levine paddy if you would um inform your ability to that you can see the screen hi yes i can thank you thank you to everybody for your time today i just wanted to say a couple of things i too live in monosito meadows next door to the house in question and i guess i would ask um i would like something done urgently and i don't know if that's from this committee the city council the police but we cannot continue to um deal with this i don't want to deal with this next weekend or the weekend after and so i guess i would like to ask when i'm done speaking what can we do to stop this activity at this home immediately the owner is not accountable and and tells untruths when we talk about truth earlier when i texted him recently to say there is yet another wedding at your house he said it's not a wedding it's a wedding reception as if that was okay with 30 people you know we've had up to 70 people at that home i have called the police only one time because i know my neighbors are calling and i don't want to continue burdening the police i also feel in this particular case this um next our next door neighbor says well my house sleeps 15 so i'd like to also ask that when we think about regulations just because someone's house sleeps 15 because they've prepared it to be hotel like i would ask that the regulations take into account that 15 people in in a neighborhood is is not congruent with neighborhood living so again i would just really thank you for your time i'd like to say um please give us some information on how we can work with whatever agency to discontinue this immediately thanks thanks patty hi lene the next speaker will be paul oland paul if you would um confirm that you are unmuted and that you are able to keep a screen paul um are you if you could um unmute me unfortunately we are not able to hear mr oland could it be his version of zoom it it may or um let me try and if i can uh if you could see if you're able we're able to hear you maybe we can come back to paul lene hopefully well maybe we can get him on after absolutely um we do have um paul is the last live commenter um we do have some voicemail comments let's let's move on to the voicemail and then um back to paul if he's able to come on great so he first uh public commenter hi this is a message for the short development process and if my comment is um i apologize her comment cut out um i will um make sure that the comment is transcribed and provided to the members thank you um one thank you for allowing us to provide a comment on this and i understand that we'll be providing a you know specific ordinance and i wanted to request that the city consider what the city can use to short term rental operators and helping them efficiently and effectively uh safely operate their business um one example is instead of having um complaints going to a non-emergency police phone number is there a different apartment that can handle short term rental complaints maybe we can save non-emergency police calls or those i believe we may have a buffering issue as that was still part of the first uh public comment so if we can give it a couple more seconds hopefully it will it will continue related to meeting our police presence on my other comment is i would like to apologize on the trash collector to offer a curbside effect on our consumers um right now a service for the psychology trash compost the fight comes to go into a property that collects containers is not available i asked if it's available and i had a manager come to my property from San Francisco he stated that because canna rosa he says a machine operated garbage collection truck that there's drivers who aren't involved to collect containers um for convenience for um someone that's looking to do a short term rental i would like to offer walkthrough pick up on the containers so that we don't have to um maybe hire somebody to do that on our property or ask our guests that they have had a short term rental to do that so i would like to see you come up with ways to help short term operating offering that work the second public comment the um calls are so hard to hear like they're basically muffled and they can't hear them at all is there a way to um to increase the volume or we might have to transcribe them and submit them to the public record because i think um we i think i'm getting the sense that we can't hear them at all i think that would probably be a good idea eileen is do them transcribe absolutely i will do that we do have actually the second commenter is actually on the line with their hands raised i would be happy to promote them so that they could make their comment live excellent run over all these hi my name is charles mess and i'm with sonoma county coalition of hoax and we're folks all across santa rosa and the county who run owner operated short term rentals and we overwhelmingly believe what we do benefits employees workers visitors and all citizens of santa rosa we'd like to offer the following endorse and oppose positions and positions we think need more work which anyone can view on our website sonoma county coalition of host calm we endorse working with the city to implement a reasonable permitting process we believe a better way to regulate the number of vacation rentals is to limit the number of permits one owner can be issued to three this is recommended over any type of density limits or proximity caps we endorse a local contact available 24 7 including a permit number in advertisements requiring evacuation and cancellation at evacuation warning stage limiting limiting outdoor fires we endorse initial safety inspections but oppose annual creation of a guest manual notifying adjacent property owners property managers certification distinguishing between hosted and non-hosted short term rentals and allow transferability we feel there are a policy proposals that need more study like limiting total occupancy of day and night guests and number of vehicles we encourage the development of standards for temporary use permits for events and escalating fine structure for violations there are proposals we strongly oppose we believe that all license should automatically be renewal unless the license has been revoked with due process or abandon prohibiting certain zoning districts and housing types limiting number of rental nights per year requiring landline phone service we recommend a NOAA radio we suggest keeping in line with the county's 10 p.m. to 7 a.m. quiet hours requiring screening of outdoor activity areas the current transcend occupancy tax ordinance is sufficient and the only taxation necessary and we strongly oppose an urgency ordinance we'd like to offer ideas we have like allow residents to permit alternative eco-friendly forms of housing for long or short-term use which you can read more about on our website allow short-term use of ad use and jad use we look forward to collaborating with the economic development subcommittee funding department and centrosa city council to formulate fair equitable and reasonable regulations thank you thank you any other um voice comments eileen we do have one more voicemail but based on the technical issues for having i will transcribe um the voicemail comments that we have and um we publish the agenda with those comments attached okay outstanding and i know we had a number of of um letters or emails and those will be um those will be made available to the to the committee members um those you should have them um additionally um i would like to um see if we can let mr oland speak see if his um he can his audio comes through clearly this time sure and we did receive those um the the uh um the other communicates we you you did send them to us and we they were received thank you and let's go ahead with the next speaker paul if you could uh confirm that you're able to speak and able to see the screen please um unfortunately he has dropped off the call and that is the last of the public comment on this item okay thank you eileen let's let's bring it back to the full screen and um i'll go to our council members for additional questions after the public comment or actually questions or comments this would be this would let's go for questions first and then we'll move directly into comments any questions from the council i i do if i could uh well what is what is the difference between the commercial and the residential uses or permittable uses especially with events and the second question is what currently in our ordinances forces a landlord to come to the table to discuss issues that are happening on the property so events um clear do you want to take this one yeah i think we can we can all tag team this one so because it's complex right so uh people can make use of their homes they can have private events um up to a point you can't exceed the noise ordinance you can't become a nuisance to your neighbors so it's sort of a complex response to a complex issue ultimately when you're starting to rent out your home especially through an airbnb process obviously you've now become commercial so i think the definitions of where you become a home to where you become an airbnb is going to be part of the initiative is to have clear distinctions and definitions because um right now we don't really have any clear distinction until it's become a nuisance or they or they have commercially advertised and collected um fees and have registered or not thank you claire in regards to the second question uh what forces a landlord to come to the table to discuss the issues that arise from the neighbors i'm sorry i didn't i didn't quite hear that question uh what what forces a landlord to come to the table when issues are brought forward by the neighbors in regards to ordinances that we may have in place i think that is the the issues that we don't currently have an ordinance in place and so um uh john cregan can probably speak to this a little bit more it's like what they rely on um when we have issues or even megan from code um what we what we would normally rely on um for a landlord to force a landlord to come to the table um is not in place as i understand it so uh jesse john or megan do you want to speak to that yeah we can talk and jesse or megah may have some more details we've come together as a city group though and jesse and cherry have been a key part of that megan that we've come together examining what are some of the current ordinances and one of the callers mentioned about had their other ordinance that already handled us and we've come together as kind of like the subject matter x source from the city and say what exists is not enough it doesn't give us the tools that we need and there are there are some like nuisance ordinances and those ordinances but they're not designed for this specific issue and so it makes them difficult to enforce and really have any teeth behind them so what we're seeing is some of the best practices across not only here in sonoma county but across california is putting specific ordinances targeted toward this specific offense and then it helps give our staff and i honestly think what it does it gives the neighbors and it gives even the homeowners it gives them like clear guidelines so they understand right now there's just not a whole lot of clarity here in the city of santa rosa so it leads the frustrations and it leads the frustrations on all the parts from the neighbors from the short-term mineral operators and from the residents because we're not giving a very clear guidelines as a city and councilman if i may state my comment if that's okay with you certainly it just just shows the need of why we need to address the issues and why we should put this forward with our colleagues on the on the complete council i see the importance that if there's no direction that we can offer to our police department to our court enforcement it only it only reiterates why this is so important thank you thanks eddie victoria yeah this is probably not a super popular point but i have um been struggling with representing monosito heights for a while in a way that feels consistent and fair for the the residents of district four and when i look at the map i see just an incredible over-concentration of these hotels where we shouldn't really have hotels and we go through great pains to zone things in our community and through this technological development we've really lost control of maintaining the character of our neighborhoods and also being able to provide housing i mean i'm i'm represent a small legion of and but growing legion of people who just simply can't afford to live here and when i go to look at an open house i'm often outbid by somebody who wants to use this this type of modality i'm not entirely against you know renting a room in a hosted situation i think that that's a different category and i think that there may be a place for short-term rentals in commercial zones but i think that if we go trying to develop an ordinance that can deal with every permutation for every type of rental in every neighborhood we're going to be asking our already overburdened police department and code enforcement team to respond to a frankly inappropriate use and so i think that what we ought to be looking at is a very restricted use with hosted rentals and in commercial zones only and really put some teeth in it and i'd like the conditional use permit process for those for those uses to fund specific positions for enforcement so that we're not asking our existing services to overextend themselves for the profit of many and i really reject the notion that these these uses bring more benefit than than cost you know our schools we've already seen in west county a loss of a high school we're seeing dwindling enrollment we're seeing just this investment in our communities and if we were able to you know i think it's a huge red herring to say well we provided housing during during a disaster or an emergency well the housing should just be there so that we're more resilient against emergencies and so i think that while i i really do respect the right of private homeowners to conduct business i do not support the right of business owners to conduct business in areas that are not commercially zoned that is just a basic tenant of planning you don't do business where business is not allowed so i think we need to take this to the council and see what they think thanks victoria i have a couple one question for you john or maybe claire probably both of you at this right now if this coming friday the bad player in monocidal heights um were to have a another one of these really disturbing gatherings um is there do we currently have in on the books away from the police department to come in and shut it down like you would a party that's gone out of control it's now up to you've got you've got 40 um youths that have decided to have a party and it's out of line it's beyond the the the the noise ordinance both in time and in volume um is is do we have any any uh legal right to shut it down and in this case it would mean um the people would have to leave the residents do we have anything on the books that can allow that to happen we have a party ordinance but some of it is it's easier to say on paper that you do it not so much in reality because these calls like party calls are low pending calls and with call volume on the weekend it'll stack and sometimes 10 for 45 minutes to even an hour and a half two hours before an officer goes out to a party call when it's just a noise disturbance so the current process is they could contact their residents and they give them like a warning violation saying hey it's a party party violation if we come back out here we're gonna cite but it's designed more for the homeowner that you would like for someone who's just having a barbecue at their house so the weekend that's getting too rowdy and then they would cite that homeowner under a city ordinance infraction citation and it would require the neighbor to sign like a uh basically a citizen at a rest form so it's kind of a procedure that you go through um honestly what happens most of the time is when we go out there then they won't answer the door and we can't force our way to make into the thing and they just kind of laugh and say in the backyard and without us going and getting a search warrant from a judge which it's not we're not going to have the resources to write search warrants for party calls and and send a team of officers so that's the current procedure so that's why it really is this not a lot not a lot actually happens and that's what leads to the frustrations and we focused a lot on the Montezuma Meadows but this occurs throughout the city like the caller said we're getting them at coffee park and in the west and we get them all over the city and people are just frustrated and a lot of the residences don't know how to call or they have a continual theme that came up today as like I don't want to bother the police department with this so they just get frustrated and the frustration grows and we're that's why we're trying to really organize some of the city response so people know what we can do and kind of bring some of the different key players here between code enforcement and planning and the police department and then kind of start presenting toward our our elected officials of kind of like we need some help for this because the current plan this is not working for us exactly I appreciate that did you want to add something Claire yeah and John's absolutely right so we're addressing these as one-offs right so it happens typically over the weekend and then the police gets called for the immediate response by the time code enforcement gets involved on Monday the offense is over police has moved on code enforcement is you know getting to work on their priorities for the week but staffs really collectively asking for is a way to address revocation of a permit because that's so if you have systemic enforcement issues with the property now we have a progressive policy we can get code enforcement on a longer timeline to work with that property owner that has real consequences for that property owner but there's lots of checks and balances to get their their voluntary compliance because it actually has teeth on the other end and so that's kind of what we're asking for is is right now we don't have a permit so we don't have anything to revoke so we when we go to enforce or to work with the property owner it's it's in the immediate of the event not a systemic issue right that's an important point Victoria did you have a comment yeah Claire when you say we don't have anything to revoke what's to say what's to say that an owner would continue operating without a permit as they are now if they were to have one revoked I mean my concern is we go through all this effort to put in a permitting process and they get their permit revoked and they're like well screw it there's no bandwidth for the city to deal with this so we're just going to continue to do what we do with unpermitted yeah and I look to Jesse to talk about our progressive process for code enforcement because in the end we we we get them to comply there's a lot of voluntary compliance that happens way ahead of penalties and whatnot and Jesse can talk about how that how that works and sort of what leverage that we have thank you thank Claire so yeah the process is is essentially a timeline for progressive but voluntary compliance and eventually we end up with recordations of violate right now the process is we would end up with a recordation of violation on the property eventually continued non-compliance say we just have someone that continues to not want to go down the path we end up typically it would be in some some sort of a hearing either an administrative hearing or a board of building regulation appeals administrative a hearing is typically the process these end up when they just fail to comply that is much like a court setting where the administrative hearing officer has the authority to order property owners to comply and potentially pay recovery costs for staff time and if an ordinance isn't enacted also pay fines with with an ordinance that has fines built into it and Jeff will likely be able to get into it a little bit farther when we go to this period when we actually get to an administrative hearing in their order to do something and then we finally have a failure then we move with our city attorneys group and then we go down additional pathways with superior court that's a little bit overly simplified and to go down that path is just something I think Jeff could clarify a little more for us and I just add one more thing excuse me so that addresses the long-term strategy for enforcement and that builds over time and word gets out that we have a progressive policy and this is the ultimate teeth at the end of a long progressive code enforcement path I know Sherry's done some research about more immediate penalties you know so if you're not responsive within so many hours or you know and so there are there's mechanisms and those are just some of the decision points we would be looking to the council to make is in addition to a use permit type of revocation process there are these other more immediate penalties that we can apply and I will say if that's okay through the chair that we can also work with Airbnb and the other platforms to require that a permit number be on any advertising so that if there isn't a permit number they aren't allowed to to advertise on that platform and that's another way to to kind of keep track and if we use the third party there's there's more than one so I'm not locking us into one or anything like that if we chose to go that route they can do a lot of that monitoring for us they can verify that there is an actual active permit that matches with the address that's listed in the advertisement so that's a and if there isn't that's automatically one strike you know some some jurisdictions have a three strike policy and it's like okay you have to have somebody 24 seven we called nobody answered strike one you have to have the complaint resolved within an hour you didn't do that strike two you know there's as Claire was mentioning there's different ways to handle the immediate for those that at least we can keep track of thank you for that Jeff did you have anything you want to add not really I think you know you've heard from the real subject manner experts it sounds like there are some remedies on the books now but they're quite limited and and then there's going to be some policy choices that are going to be presented either back to the to this committee or to the council and there's a sounds like there's a whole host of them in determining how you how this ordinance is going to be crafted and then of course the other issue is whether you're going to go urgency or not but I'm just kind of teeing off what I see are the big issues here thank you well I live I'm going to I'll start with I think my questions have been answered I'd like to circle back to the policy considerations first of all I would like to refer to the urgency concept I am in favor of going to the council with a request for an urgency ordinance the very first part of it refers to the preservation of public peace and unfortunately the bad players are creating a burden on those that are quietly running weekend rentals but that is often the case where the bad players bring the hammer down on everyone but I am I would be I'll put it you know we'll have to have a motion and a vote on whether or not to bring that urgency peace to the council but in looking at the policies and the policy considerations they are voluminous but they are not onerous the majority of them in my opinion I mean there it looks like a lot of a lot of restrictions but it really a lot of it is just common sense and pieces that could be put into a to an ordinance I'm really concerned about what's going on in in Montecito Heights and I'm definitely not interested in in coming up with anything that allows for that kind of behavior to go on week after week after week they are clearly operating a an event center and a hotel by that by by its definition I'm a very big protector of private property rights but those rights come with responsibility and I think that in in this case that that responsibility has been ignored to a very very high degree I we I think what will what ultimately could happen if we bring this forward to the to the to the council for consideration is that the mayor could create a temporary we have more subcommittees than we then then I think I've ever seen before on my 15 years on council but they are all important and there's a lot going on in the city of Santa Rosa so these subcommittees are are numerous are not only numerous but important and and not unlike our cannabis subcommittee which had a life and then the the ordinance was produced with the input of the community of of homeowners of the industry and we came up with a model ordinance for our cannabis industry not everyone likes likes it but you know it was a joint effort by many people to try to come up with a with a comprehensive ordinance and I believe that we may need the same vehicle when coming up with an ordinance for the short for the vacation rentals because there are there are a lot of considerations here and I'm not sure that we can just go one by one by one and and come up with a a reasonable recommendation to the council without their input so I would be looking for I would be looking for an urgency ordinance I'm hoping to get support for that and then ask the mayor and after we have a conversation with the council we'll have to get it agenda put it on the agenda which takes a bit of time unfortunately the it will the the agendas are pretty packed and it will take a number of weeks potentially well if we if we vote for a version we would it would it would we would have the conversation that night because that you know what we could do too is with this so understanding that's an urgency ordinance and then based on the conversation that I heard all the council members have here is go back to the policy considerations on slide nine and ten and have staff put together that that draft ordinance because I think it was the items on slides nine and ten basically respond to much the comments that we heard and then we can have if we need to a special meeting of this subcommittee if it's because we have other things we have to get to as well in September we might need maybe one additional special meeting the subcommittee to see if we've heard all of the items and then we can go forward with either the urgency ordinance or the or a study session if needed whatever the direction from there is but I think if we if we are looking for an urgency ordinance we can streamline that process by by consolidating the comments we heard today from council as it relates to nine and ten the policy considerations and I think that will be an easier more direct pathway so with your recommendation would be to bring forward the all of the policy considerations in an in an urgency ordinance at our neck and bring that at our next council meeting which is a week from today or or I would say at us at a we can put a jail because this the policy considerations they're not you know like sometimes staff brings forward policy considerations that are do you want this or this these are all things that are kind of and versus yeah and so and so I think we can go through based on the conversation today and actually apply those items those points on slide nine and ten to an ordinance that you can react to and either we bring it back to the subcommittee or we bring it we can bring it forward as a as an urgency ordinance and have the discussion with full council there but I would leave it to you as to whether or not you want you know you want to to see it again before it could go to council and I think that wants to add to that yeah Claire do you have something to add to that pathway yeah I just want to sort of demystify the the process a little bit so we're not going to move so fast that the public or the subcommittee and the council is not going to have time to vet the key considerations of this so sort of the simplify what we're looking for today is one we just wanted to put it out on the table what the issues are where we're at and what are some of our immediate options so if we were to look for some key direction today this is what we would look for one is their general support from from this body to pursue either the urgency ordinance it has a do you have a sense that it's risen to that level or do you want us to start on the path of a more traditional process that goes leads us through the planning commission before we go to the city council so that's one key decision point that would be great for staff to to get a feel for today and then in terms of policy considerations you can go as deep as you want you can focus on the top five ten key considerations of any of an ordinance like this this would be the city's first ordinance so given that both of these off path current path options are streamlined I would suggest focusing on the highest level so staff would come back we would prioritize what we think what we've heard from the subcommittee what we've heard today from the public what we'll continue to hear what are sort of the key policy considerations what's the highest level of the decision points and bring those back to the subcommittee to help this workshop with you and with the public and then we'll progress to the city council or to the planning commission if you chose that option so you could so staff could prioritize these considerations and then bring that forward to the council could we could we do that and still implement and implement those prioritized considerations in an urgency ordinance yeah I think we're I mean we're committed to this this is uh definitely of important stuff we're spending a lot of resources responding to the community right now so we are we are eager to get this before the council we do feel like we have the findings that we need to make for urgency ordinance so we our next step would be to workshop on a draft and come back to the subcommittee and maybe twice like Raysa said if needed we could we can add an additional meeting just to workshop this particular initiative if the if the committee also finds it's it's that important and then and then we'll head to the city council by I think it was October or November as Sherry outlined Victoria yeah thank you for that information Claire I I made very concerned about the timeline here I think that whatever it is that we do we need to do it expeditiously and I think that I'm more on the side of bringing a draft ordinance to the council for an urgency ordinance on the sooner end you know it's it's not just our neighbors but it's also you know the the policing code enforcement it it just doesn't seem reasonable to or sustainable to get all the way through the end of summer and fire season before having an ordinance on the books so I'd like to see a draft ordinance you know at the next possible council meeting thank you and I concur at Eddie are you um uh ready to move forward with that recommendation to council I am and and what really drives me forward is hearing the coming from coffee park the word yet uh that they don't see these issues yet but they they they would be on the cloud to think that these issues aren't aren't something that is a possibility in their neighborhood as well so I think it's it's really something that we definitely need to put in place and really set the precedent and moving forward so absolutely I'm on board thank you I think it's important for everyone to understand that we are we are looking to address certain serious bad behaviors while at the same time allowing those that are following the rules to continue operating kind of quiet quiet quiet operation of their short-term rentals so with that we will look for an urgency ordinance with those policy considerations that staff brings forward as um as priorities we will also in inside of I think it will be important to have all of the policy considerations at least available to the council to see um and and the community because we're we're going to prioritize there may be some that the council may want to ask why aren't why isn't this particular one there um and be able to have that have those so that they have options uh to address concerns and then we will also be having uh the I'm not sure that that we would be seeing that this subcommittee would be seeing that recommendation before it went to the council is it your uh risa do you see this is is going forward as quickly as possible to the council before it comes back to us yet again I'm really honestly I think it's at your discretion we I think we can um take the considerations that are listed here and put them into draft ordinance and either um bet them through you or go through straight to um for for debate or consideration at full council I appreciate that and that of course it's your decision okay thank you um well I I know and I know that it will get a full airing it will be another one of our long council members and as well it should be given the number of people that it affects um for me it's a quality of life issue uh and uh as not not all of the issues that we deal with as a council are are so close to a quality of life as someone who has to live uh next to a hotel and not clearly they are in the minority um but this is not what people expected when they were I'm sure this is not what people were expecting when they were hearing of short-term rentals and the effect on our housing stock is is no small problem uh for for santa rosa and it's it's a major driver for me uh to to look at uh creating an ordinance that um addresses that and uh because we do have we have a very high need um for people for rentals I'm glad that that the ad use are not available for for um weekend rentals and my guess is that a large number of those that do not have permits are ad use um so we need tools um and looking forward to uh the the staff's recommendations and their prioritization of the um of the policy considerations and I thank the the subcommittee for moving forward uh with the recommendation for an urgency ordinance and I believe um there are no other items it's a staff is there anything else the staff needs from us today to help you move forward Claire you go first but yeah I just want to make sure the staff team knows exactly what we're going to do next so it sounds like the interests of the subcommittee is to is to just to draft have staff draft the urgency ordinance um we've empowered us to prioritize what we think are the most important policy considerations but of course we'll bring forward a consideration of others if we want to dig deeper but that we would not come back to the subcommittee we would go straight to the city council with the urgency ordinance is that correct okay so we'll do that it's still we'll we'll put all our resources on drafting the ordinance um for the sake of the public we'll make use of the um public website um it's the last slide of this presentation is the email so please send written comments and then the public website um please watch for that we will we can post our draft ordinance on that uh we do want even though it's an urgency ordinance um you know we are supportive of getting public comments um as early and often as as we can as we as we head up to the city council outstanding and do you have a um what would be the the date what's what's a comfortable date for you to because I know it's not easy to just just produce an an ordinance overnight so what what is your timeline what's the earliest you feel that we could bring this before the council well I know that the team put together the timeline on slide 12 which gets us to city council adoption in November um we can see if we can beat that but for right now that's that's that's the timeline that they did put together already for urgency ordinance Claire and that was based on um typical noticing and and you know the the Sunshine Act in terms of having to have eight weeks in advance so we'll take a look at that and certainly we can get I I hear from the subcommittee go as soon as we can it is urgent let's let's bring that to the council so we will do whatever we can to get it to agenda as soon as possible and we may have to do two parts of this because I think there is um one part of it is the urgency ordinance related to the um uh you know what we just talked about but the other piece that we have to deal with eventually is the resource attached to it um uh in terms of um you know uh I'm just blanked on the word that I need but enforcement enforcement yeah so um so we might have to look at it in two parts but um but we'll staff will get together and consider that and see what is eligible to be brought forward under the urgency ordinance but we may come back um to flesh that other piece later thank you and I appreciate all of all of your efforts in in bringing this to the council as soon as possible I know that you will um and and the and the community that is negatively affected by uh not having an ordinance um thanks you for your expeditious work in bringing one forward as do I and the rest of the subcommittee and I believe that brings us if there's nothing else this Dilarosa are we completed for today's agenda and meeting Marisa you are on it yeah we're um that is that those are all the items and um we do have a full schedule uh because I think the last thing on there was next agenda we do have a full schedule for um September um where we'll be hearing um potentially um uh EIFD's child care we have a follow-up for the phase one and potentially next phases of that program um and then depending on what um the outcome of the um one-time fund discussions are if there's anything prior to September um we have a number of other things on that and that we'll try to bring forward at that time as well okay outstanding thank you for that update and with that this meeting is adjourned thank you all very much