 In my experience, one of the most effective things to do, to bring up a lagging body part is to train it more often, not necessarily with more volume even, just more often. I've even taken clients with the same volume and split it up. So instead of hitting their, let's say their biceps twice a week for a total of let's say, I don't know, 16 sets to do it three days a week and do five sets or six sets on each workout. So same volume, just more frequency. I agree with that. The only challenge with that is managing the intensity aspect because I think that- Yeah, you can't train super hard. Because I mean, I remember as a young kid, like that was the first way I started to attack the arms. I was like, okay, I'm gonna train arms like every time I come in. But I was training it with this like crazy intensity every time. So I was constantly stuck in this recovery trap. So you have to understand that I 100% agree that hitting it more frequently three, four times a week is totally fine if it's a stubborn lagging body part. Hitting it first. And hitting it first. But then you gotta also understand that you can't hammer the shit out of it, if you're doing it five days a week like that. Hey, real quick, we're gonna get back to discussion. But before we do, I'm gonna give away one of our most popular bundles, the RGB bundle. This includes maps, anabolic, mass performance and maps aesthetic. So three programs for free. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we dropped this episode. Subscribe to this channel and turn on your notifications. Do all those things if we pick your comment. We'll notify you and you'll get free access to that incredible bundle, the RGB bundle. Also, we're running a sale this month. We have a starter bundle, which is maps, anabolic, maps prime and the intuitive nutrition guide. That bundle is 50% off. We also put maps split 50% off. That's a bodybuilder style workout program. So both of those half off, if you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code mayspecial for that 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. Here's a simple tip that'll get you leaner, easier, eat protein first in your meal. So when you're looking at your plate, finish the protein portion, then move on to the rest. This makes actually a big difference. Such a good tip that I wish I figured out early on in my career. And it was, it's like such a simple way to get people, instead of putting parameters around their diet, just like saying, hey, just when you look at your plate, eat this first and then just see what happens from that and finish that first. Because you know what I realized that myself, I was just as guilty of this. And we all, when we go to restaurants, would a restaurant always come out for a whiff? Yeah, bread or chips. Yeah, carbohydrates, all this stuff like that. And then, and we're all, I guarantee we've all done this before. You've been guilty of like, you go to a really nice like steak restaurant, right? You order your like real, you know, $50 steak or plus, right, coming. And you get all these appetizers and all these other things and then you don't even finish this like $50 steak. And you're like, but you're thinking more of the money. You're like, oh my God, I can't believe that. But literally that happens all the time with snacking on chips, bread, before you eat your protein meal, whether you made it or you're having it at a restaurant. Well, so we were totally validated the other day. We interviewed a dietician from NeutroSense. And NeutroSense is a company where they, it's a device that monitors your glucose. It's a continual glucose monitor. So we can see your glucose spikes and drops. Real-time data from that. Real-time data. And I asked her, in this episode we'll get released soon, but I asked her, so what's one of the most impactful things that you notice that will cause a positive impact on glucose? She goes, eat protein first. When you eat protein first, you don't get this crazy. Now, why would you want to avoid these spikes and drops? That leads to crashes and energy. It leads to cravings. It leaves irritability. It leads to just behaviors that tend to make you want to overeat. Now, as trainers, we didn't have access to these devices. I wish I did. I didn't have, I just noticed that when my clients ate the protein first, they ate less. They just, and protein is very satiating. So they just knack, without telling them to eat less calories, they ended up eating less calories because of it. And then also high protein diets build more muscle, which indirectly burns more body fat through the fast metabolism. And most people have a tough time hitting protein targets. And so eating protein first just made sense and it worked and it worked well. And that's what it does. It leads to less eating, more stable glucose readings. You just feel better. It's just an easy way to get to your goals. Well, there's so much you want to accomplish in that first interaction with a potential client and trying to look into their diet, try to get good insight and find things and ways to basically change their behaviors in what they're doing. And I'm always looking for these small hacks and these things that are very simple, very applicable, especially if I'm in a conversation with my dad, for instance, which is always will interact and he's always looking for advice for things, especially nutritionally. And I'm like, oh my God, what is he actually gonna do? You know, that's a major hurdle. And to just say, hey, just try this, just eat your protein first before anything else and that's it. I'm gonna stop right there, let that sort of play out how it's gonna play out and you see the behavioral changes that result from that, that's a way better approach. It's psychology of it. You're not telling him he can't have the other stuff. That's the power in all of this because it's amazing how funny creatures we are. If you tell us we can't, how bad we want it after that. It's like, you may not even have liked the chips before dinner that much, but your coach or trainer or whatever, or you tell yourself, I can't have those anymore. And oh, it's so hard now. You know what I'm saying? I can't have those chips. Now you're playing the devil on the shoulder, angel on the shoulder game. Yeah, it's okay. No, you can still have those chips. All I want you to do is make sure you eat the protein first. So eat your protein first, then I encourage you to have your vegetables. And then if you still want to snack on those chips, that's fine, just do it in that order for me. Now physiologically speaking, proteins and fats are essential. That means that those macronutrients you have to eat because your body can't produce certain amino acids which come from protein. Those are called essential amino acids and certain fatty acids which your body can't produce. Those are called essential fatty acids. So you have to eat proteins and fats and carbohydrates are not essential. That doesn't mean it's not ideal, that it's ideal, but you could avoid carbs for the rest of your life and you're not gonna die from it like you would from avoiding proteins and fats. Eating protein first also gets you to eat your fats first typically because most protein sources come along with fats. Typically, most people, it's a meat. So you're getting those essential macronutrients out of the way, meaning most important. And then you move on to the next thing. But yeah, the behavioral part is the big reason why this made a big difference because protein is satiating, it just is. Carbohydrates are the least satiating macronutrient. Protein is the most, fat is second. Most of us organize our meals, we leave the protein last. Simply switching it around makes a big difference. And then to hear the dietician say, it's one of the most effective ways to control these spikes and glucose was so validating. So I'm like, oh my God, I've been communicating that forever and it's cool that you could see this on this device. Hand to the data that backs it up. Yeah, she's like, if you just eat protein first and then go on to your other stuff, she's like, we see way less of a response. And when you look at those spikes and glucose and then those drops, you get those cravings, you get those energy crashes, all the things that lead to behaviors that make you overeat or eat foods that maybe aren't so beneficial. So simply just, you look at your dish and you go, okay, I'm supposed to have 30 grams of protein for every meal, eat that and then move on to the next stuff. And then what you'll find is you just, you just naturally eat less. You end up leaving some of the potatoes. You end up leaving some of the chips versus the other way around. I know, right? Eat the chips, the potatoes and things first, then you leave some of your meat, the most valuable stuff that you could be consuming on your plate. It's such a simple, like it's like another one is like, don't drink while you eat. People are like, what's wrong with having fluid in my stomach? And it's like, it's not, you know, I'm not Ayurvedic medicine guy, so I'm not trying to say like it balances out this because I know Ayurvedic medicine says that. That's not the reason. It's cause when you don't drink, you slow down. You have to chew your food, you have to just wash it down. Huge bite and then just cram it down like I, I've been guilty of plenty of time. It sounds silly, but I swear to God, these little things, they affect your, cause we're behavior driven. It's not just the mechanistic aspects. It's like, what gets my, what can I do to promote the types of behaviors that lead to the goals and the things that I want to accomplish? That's what I should focus on. And eating protein first is just, it's a simple sound silly, but try it out. You see for yourself, it actually makes a big difference. Okay, so I have, I have a bunch of stuff that I wanted to talk to you about. We probably won't get to all of it. I want to start with my- Start with the protein. The protein of the content first. Yeah, exactly. The essential stuff. So I'm going to call that the less controversial stuff. This will be more conspiratorial. So we'll go that, we'll go that direction first. Justin loves it. I had this, I had a high moment last night, right? So I'm cleaning house and, you know, this is, these are my, these, these moments I have sometimes and I've got the TV on and watching playoffs and stuff. And this commercial comes up, I'm doing dishes. And I just had this moment. And I, when I had these moments, I wish I had you guys here so we could kind of have this dialogue. That's why I'm bringing it to the podcast cause I didn't have you guys there to have it. And it's like, is this me being high right now? Or like, has anybody else thought about this? Like, so- I'll tell you if it's- Yeah. Okay, so tell me that in a minute or two. I find it really interesting that just a few years ago, like most people didn't know what cryptocurrency was and there's still obviously a tremendous amount of skepticism around it. And like, is it going to be adopted or is it going to replace cat? Like what, where is it going to end up? What is going to be like, there's so much questions still around it. Yet I am bombarded with advertising around crypto more than anything else I've ever been bombarded and advertising. There has to be hundreds, not hundreds, maybe billions of dollars right now. I know for sure there's single companies spending hundreds of millions of advertising like crypto.com. Are you talking being retargeted on your phone from like the interactions you have online? Are you talking about on TV? Both. Like everything. I can't get away, I can't escape it from social media. Now what are the ads? Are they like by this coin? They're everything. So like it's less coin and more like crypto.com. You see Coinbase, you see- Oh that's what, it's these companies that do the trading or store your time. It's all though. Yeah, what's the other FT, FT something? I forget, there's a handful of these like really popular, but yeah that too, I mean everything. I cannot, a day has not gone by where I haven't been hit on social, I haven't been hit on YouTube, I haven't been hit on TV with crypto conversation. And it makes me go like, are we just getting conditioned to accept this? And this is where it's- Somebody's paying a lot of money for this. And who's profiting off of all of that? If it's still something that's kind of in this gray area and it's not fully accepted, like- It's gotta be the fees that these companies get from allowing you to buy and sell their coins or being on their- Right, that's how it has to be. My brain goes, okay, if someone, so I read an article that crypto.com has a campaign running right now of $100 million in commercials that they're, for the next few months. $100 million in commercials. So what's the ROI on that? It's gotta be more than $100 million, otherwise it wouldn't have been there yet. Right, so is that what it is? It's like, they're just, we're convincing people so much, there's so much money to be made in crypto right now that if we can just get them in our wallet, making transactions, and we're making our little fees out of transactions, we can get back that under- That's gotta be. 2X, 3X? That's gotta be that. What do you think, Doug? I don't know, I think they're making a lot of dollars for selling crypto. That's what I think is hella funny. That's what I think is hilarious about all this. Yeah, that is funny and ironic at the same time. Right? It's not like they're getting paid back to the crypto. Let me have your dollars so you can have crypto. Did you hear what Warren Buffett said about Bitcoin? No, recently? Yeah. I know he doesn't mess with it. No, there was a quote, he said, I wouldn't buy all the Bitcoin in the world for 25 bucks. Now if you told me you owned all of the Bitcoin in the world, and you offered it to me for $25, I wouldn't take it because what would I do with it? Whoa. And he goes, you can't do it, it doesn't do anything. It's like it doesn't do anything, doesn't do anything for you, you can't do anything with it. I wouldn't buy it for, so he's just basically saying it's a super speculative thing that is worth it. Rick Rosh just had a video that went viral like the other day. He's always been calling out all the people that like the crypto billionaires and stuff like that, talking shit. He's walking around his mansion showing a ceiling off and stuff like that. Wow. Yeah, he's like, were you all at? Yeah, it's all like in the visual or the virtual world. Yeah. He's talking shit basically. It's like a bunch of metaverse billionaires. Ridiculous mansion, like all in your metaverse metaverse. Speaking of commercials, didn't Amazon just get in trouble because what's the service, Alexa? Is Alexa with Amazon? Yeah, yeah. That Alexa's listening to you. Oh, I saw that. It's confirming what we already knew. Targeting you with ads. Oh. 100% they've been doing, I guarantee for years they've been doing that. Just somebody now is like, oh, look at this. Well, we talked about this a long time ago and I made the case that like, I do, I really care, you know what I'm saying? So they're getting better at like, they already know I'm searching this. I'm talking about it. Well, that's what you know. What you don't know. See, that's the freaking tinfoil hat side of you. No, it's not. Why? Because who the fuck are you that they're like actually collecting other information they really care about? Well, hold on. Okay, to the people that are the currency. To these people, your data is currency. Thank you. So they'll sell whatever happens you have. No, no, it's not tinfoil. They're literally selling your habits to the company. Yes. Yeah, yeah, it's all about getting your money. That's what it is. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or influencing your vote. Look, if Google is listening to you and Google is influenced by said, I don't know, politician or whatever policy, they can say, let's target this person with these articles, these ads, these keywords to continue to radicalize this person to post them in instruction. I'm not arguing what they can or can't do with that type of information. That's a lot of money and power in that. What I'm arguing is what I think they're really, what they really care about, what they're really doing, which is getting money from you, which is you buying more so they can sell it to other people for advertising purposes and those things. And that's like, that to me is like, whatever. Yeah, well, you see that too. And based on your interests, like how much better they've gotten with ads, like literally like, oh, I would buy that. I was like, wow, this is getting crazy. Yes. Yeah, I don't care about that. I care about what I just said, which is- Well, that's- Because it's easy, because it's effective. They can effectively target you with articles and through the process of these articles, they can radicalize you and push you in a particular direction or cause a lot of fear and get you to react and act in particular ways. And if they're listening to you or watching your habits, it's not hard. It's not hard for them to be like, oh, Adam, let's keep peppering him with these little articles about how everything that isn't mainstream is a conspiracy theory and they all wear tinfoil hats for example. Didn't they- Let's just keep doing that, all right? Didn't they just do a study on that? The internet isn't feeding us biased information like we think it is. I just- Oh, it's a YouTube algorithm. Yes. Well, did you see that article? I didn't read it. Damn it. I wish I would have read it now because it came in- I remember it though. Yeah, I do remember just getting hit in my feed like just recently. I'm always skeptical. I'm the guy that's always like, what's going on? Yeah, I mean, but they've already, like that one organization, that marketing firm, like, I mean, they busted them for literally trying to sway people that were somewhat moderate and in the middle to tip them over to vote a specific way. Dude, listen, okay. It's been proven. Listen, after September 11th, we passed these bills that allowed for the widespread spying of everyday of Americans. So they could go through your emails, they could watch you, they could read you all into the pretense of this is for national security. Everybody's like, I got nothing to hide. I don't care. They're not gonna do it unless they think they need to or whatever. Before you needed a warrant to do this, with these bills, they didn't need it. Well, you know what just came out? It just came out that they've been spying on billions and billions and billions of emails and text messages and electronic communication between Americans, regular Americans just came out that they've definitely been collecting it and spying. Now, what's the danger of that? Well, let's say Justin writes a post and it goes viral and all of a sudden he's very influential and they're like, holy shit, we got to shut this guy down. All they got to do now is if they want- Pass records. All they got to do is go through all this old shit that he's done and of course they're gonna find someone. Yeah, exactly. All of a sudden, this new information about so-and-so that they don't want to get, they're very vocal now against whatever policy or something that's out there that's like, all of a sudden now you get this dirt that just appears. Dude, speaking of that, the Roe vs. Wade thing got leaked. Oh, it's a Supreme Court? How crazy is that? That's scary, man. That's scary. It makes- Has that ever happened? How did that happen? No, no, full memos have never been leaked. So the Supreme Court is supposed to be non-political. Now I know that sounds funny because whenever they get a new justice gets appointed, it's this huge deal or whatever, but they're elected for life specifically because the role of the Supreme Court is to defend liberty, is to defend the Bill of Rights in the Constitution and often that's unpopular. And so what you don't want is you don't want justices who get elected every four years because then it's popular opinion. We know how bad politicians are with that kind of stuff. If the popular opinion goes this way, well, that's what we're gonna do. And if justices are supposed to be solid constitution, this is why it was designed that way, right? Not saying they're perfect, but that's the way it was designed. Leaking out a memo before a vote or anything else opens the door for some scary stuff. They could be intimidated. Like if you're- This has never happened before, right? If you're a juror on a big case, you're kept anonymous for a reason. Like if you're on a, let's say you're on a case for the FBI, is cracking down on organized crime and you're a juror. You don't want people to know who you are because if the mafia knows, oh, you're gonna be one of the jurors, they could fuck with you or the justice, intimidate you and they have in the past when they found out, right? Leaks like this are not supposed to happen. Now, of course it conveniently happened before midterms. So we know that this is obviously politically- If people don't see and can read between the lines of that, it's pretty sad to me. Yeah, and so I don't care where your position is on- Now what is your position that it is connected to midterms? Like so explain your ration behind that. Well, nothing unifies the left like abortion. It's true. It's one of the things that if they, and right now they're in shambles, they're getting hammered by the right, the polls are showing they're gonna get slaughtered. So it's conveniently coming up that oh, abortion rights are gonna potentially get overturned by the Supreme Court. That's a great way to unify the left. So I think it's probably coming from that direction. Some people make the arguments coming from the right, which I don't see what the rationale is there, but they try to make the case. But I mean, of course it happened before, all this crazy stuff always happens right before, months before elections. So now if the memo, what the memo says happens and the Supreme Court does overturn real versus way, what that does is it leaves it back to the States. So the way the Constitution is supposed to work is it defines what the federal government can do. Anything that it doesn't specifically define for the federal government can be left to the States. So the States then, unless the States, you know, infringe on a bill of rights, right? The States can do all kinds of, so if a state wants to have socialized medicine, they can have fully socialized medicine. If they wanna ban cars, they can ban, I mean, they can do it, but the federal government is supposed to follow just the Constitution. So that, that's the rationale for that. So really what it would change is, it would just- Really nothing. You would have to go in and get your state then to change the current policy for it to really impact. And the truth is many States make it almost impossible to get an abortion. Some States have one clinic in the whole state. It's already difficult in some States. Yeah, so, but it's kind of like this wedge issue. Yeah. You know, honestly, whether you, where you stand on that, it's really, what's crazy is it got leaked. Yeah. Who the hell is doing this? The Supreme Court. You know, it's just, I don't know, man. It's just so frustrating, because like around election season, you just see this increase in tactics now to like really just throw a bomb in the mix to get more dissension and more division amongst everybody to really push them in a direction. The bar keeps getting raised for the standard. It's becoming more and more effective than it ever has before too. Yeah, they're finding new tactics I've never seen before. Well, you can move a large portion of people so much faster left or right than you ever could before. And so I think that the people that are behind this, right, that are doing these things have figured that out. And so I think it's only the beginning of this of seeing more and more crazy shit. Well, you get data analytics, like human behavior, like they've mastered like human psychology through all these algorithms. It's pretty crazy. You don't want the Supreme Court to get hyper-political. You don't, you don't want that. That's the one branch of government that's not, and I know it's, of course, it's political to an extent, right? But you don't want it to be hyper-political. You don't want Supreme Court justices to feel pressure or threatened before making their decisions. They're the ones that uphold liberty and oftentimes it's unpopular. Now, forget this abortion case. This one, I guess you can, I've heard arguments for both sides, but they've ruled on things that were unpopular and they did it because it preserved liberty. Now, years later, we look back and go, that was the right decision. But if they were like, if they followed popular vote, my gosh, we would be in a bad position. We would not be good. So that's the part that, for me, that's a little, a little scary. Yeah, it's very alarming. I mean, let's be honest, like it's, yeah. Again, to, because culture changes all the time and to have like a solid kind of like foundational system in place, like we've got to maintain that as much as possible. I would, you would think there would only be a handful of people that even have the ability to leak something. That's what I'm trying. I think whoever did it, they need to be to the full extent of the law punished. That is a big, that's the big deal. That's national security to some extent. Yeah, I feel like that's so protected and so private that there can only be, there's only got to be so many people on the list that even have the ability to leak that, right? You would think. So it shouldn't be that hard to investigate and get to the bottom of how did this happen? Yeah, but you know what's the problem is, they'll find out after the damage has been done, right? After they get whatever they want politically or after whatever, then they'll be like, oh, you know, two years later, we found out who did it and then who cares now? But the bar keeps getting raised, man. It's really crazy. Speaking of this kind of stuff, regulation stuff, I read a study at a Harvard that looked at the effects. Okay, so have you guys ever seen, you guys, who's been to Europe? Have you been to Europe? You have, right? Have you ever been? Okay, you ever seen what they have on their cigarette packs? The warning? I mean, I know what they're called in England. No, not the names of it. No, no, I know, it caught me by surprise too when I went to the camera. Guy was asking me to bum one of them and I'm just like, excuse me, sir? Yeah. You wanna fight? No, so. Are you doing with a warning on it? Yeah, so here we have a warning, but in Europe, they have a picture on the cigarette of like messed up teeth or like someone dying from cancer to try to dissuade people from buying cigarettes, right? Well, there's been talks about doing this on sodas. So you'll buy a soda and there'll be a picture of like messed up teeth or like, you know, like diabetes or whatever. And Harvard did a study and found that it actually worked, obviously. Nobody wants to buy a can. It's all repulsive. That's the best teeth on it or whatever. They said that it works that, oh, it does work and it does dissuade people from buying, you know, sugary drinks. What do you guys think about something? I mean, we're, look, I'm a health person so the less soda people drink, the better. I don't know if I like forcing companies to do that and I don't think it'll fix the problem. I think that people will just move to something else and who knows. Yeah, I don't know. I remember when they talked about the, did they ever enforce that? Remember the tax? No, where you could put candy. Remember they were trying to say that they can't have the- Impulsive buying. Yeah, and they have it at the height for children. Like it's not even made for adults. You never noticed that? You gotta bend over to get chocolate. Yeah, no, it's literally for your two to, you know, six year old kid who's in line next to you that's right in their eyeballs. It's not in yours. And so the idea that they weren't allowed to do that anymore. Like, I don't know if that ever passed or if some cities or states started doing that. Yeah, I don't know if anybody did that. You know what I- But it's kind of like that to me, right? So it's kind of so like, am I really for that against that? Do I really think that's effective? Do I, if it's one more thing that is just going to, you know, you know, persuade you in a better decision health-wise, I tend to be pro that. I mean, it's not, you're not telling- Is it an accidental that you're just stumbling across like sugar? Yeah. Ooh, whoops, there it is. Are you looking for it? I actually think there's a case for limiting or banning advertising to kids. I think that there's actually a case for that because they're not adults. When it comes to adults though, I know that if you take soda away from people because of the ugly whatever pictures that the market and people will just find a way to get something else. So then what'll happen is they'll be like, well, if it's 100% fruit juice, then it's okay, right? Yeah. Which is just the amount of- There'll be a whole new way to market around it. Yeah. I think it'll just create another genre. That's probably what would really happen from it. I don't know. But it temporarily, if it brings an interesting idea. Because you can start doing it to beer. You can make it. You might sleep with this chick if you make it to beer, bro. Oh no. Real swamp thing. Don't do that. Cautionary tale. Whatever. I mean, if it gets people who are completely oblivious to the potential negative effects of sugar and like them to go like, is that really, that can't happen, can that? And like question. I don't even think it'll do that. I think it just grosses you out. Nobody wants to drink. Imagine like, I'm drinking a can and I'm drinking olipop right now, which is not bad for you. But imagine if I bought this and there's this like picture of like gross ass tea, I'm like, I don't want to drink that. Yeah. You know what I mean? You think it's like that? No, I think it's more like what I think. I think toer people, I mean, like you said, that I've seen those packets of cigarette, but it's, I think there's more. Look at that, dude. Look at the, it's a picture of like a, like a toe that's, that's diabetic. See, and to me, I feel like that could really happen for me drinking these. I just think it's gross. Nobody wants to hold that can and drink that in public. I mean, you're not wrong either with that. I mean. I don't know. I'm a little conflicted. I couldn't see like it, it's sort of deterring. At least maybe like impulsive lies. It definitely flies right in the face of how drinks, those types of drinks are advertised. They advertise like it's so cool. Yeah. How cool are you with a fucking nasty ass toe on the side of your mouth falling off? You know what I'm saying? Like it definitely flies right in the face of like how they advertise. I can't keep working real well without my foot. Yeah. When they start doing that to all foods, you know what I mean? You buy a bag of chips. I mean, those types of drinks though, they're marketing to children right away. Yeah. I mean, when you look at a TV, those commercials are geared towards- That's why I agree with that. I think if it's kids programming into kids, I agree with that. Yeah, but where's the line there? Like what's what? 18. Okay, so then what type of shows and what type of commercials are you talking about? That's like 90% of what they already do. I know. I mean, it's not, when you look at Mountain, have you ever watched like a Mountain Dew or a Pepsi commercial today? It's not targeting you guys? No. You guys don't even know, you guys don't even know the hip hop guys they're using. Like it's not for you. It's for the 16 year old, 13 year old. Yeah. It's probably one of them. Yes. So it's not for you anyways. So they're already getting, trying to get kids and they're using the cool factor. So it's, to me, this is kind of like the, you know, all right, you're going to use the cool factor. We're going to use- We're going to make a hella uncool. Yeah, we're going to get a hella uncool. Yeah, you think you're cool, you're rapper that you like that drinks Mountain Dew, but you might, you might have a toe that looks like this from it. Oh, gosh. I mean, I think it would work for soda, but I don't think it would work for obesity. I think people would drink less soda and move on to something else. Oh yeah, don't find a way. It's not going to change behaviors, you know. No. Unless you put it on, you know what you, okay, here's, you want to know what would work? Put pictures like that on all foods. People just eat less, you know what I'm saying? Every food has a gross picture. Oh, I don't want to eat this. Then you'll see it'll work. Otherwise it ain't going to work, dude. I mean, it brings- Except foods that don't come in packs. It brings a little bit more awareness around, I think that stuff that has been solely marketed to us from early on is like, it's just cool. It's all positive. Pepsi and Mountain Dew for as long as you- That's why I think I might actually, I mean, a little experiment of it might be interesting because you do, all you see is positive. And people do need to know like it's- Not all positive. Yeah, if this is a pattern that you're repeating all the time of behavior that you're owning, like there's consequences to that. I think that we've all lost sight of consequences. No, I mean, I remember when I was a kid, I went to Italy and my uncle's smoke or whatever and I looked at the like, what the hell is on your cigarette? It's a picture of like teeth were rotting and stuff. I mean, I don't know how well it's worked. Everybody still smokes in here. Yeah, it's smoke commercial where as a person had like a hole in their cheek. Yeah, and they're like smoking and then like blowing. I was like, oh my God, that one like, freak me out. You know what? The anti-smoking, here's one of the few times where this type of regulation has actually worked. The anti-smoking campaign of making smoking look gross was very effective. Very effective, yeah. It actually smoking. Well, you know, part of the reason why that cause it is fucking gross. It is, but it is. Coming from somebody who went through a phase of doing it. What, listen. Your fingers are smelling like shit. You stink. Yes, oh, you know what? Your clothes, your skin. I know we say that, but do you know how long cigarettes were considered cool? They smelled the same. Doug's generation. Every movie had it, you know, the nature of smoking. Listen, Doug's generation, you were cool if you smoked a cigarette. You had the cigarette, you were cool guy with your freaking muscle car, or whatever. Oh, I totally see Doug with rolled in his sleeve. Oh yeah. With a leather jacket. Yes, dear. For sure. There's a photo out there. Yeah, there is. There's a photo out there that Doug used to be in a biker game. I don't know if you guys knew that. It was 10 speed. Yeah. But it changed because all of a sudden it became gross. This is why kids use vapes now. Because they're like, it doesn't smell. You see the anti-vate commercials that are coming out now too. Yeah, I actually just saw one of those like last night. Life, open smoke. Yeah. I'm stupid like that. No, dude, you ever see the guys with those big ass vape things? They always have ponytails for some reason. It looks like a walkman. You know, like you're smoking a walkman. It's weird. Like it's a weird, it's a weird, the memes around that are hella good. I know. Just chimney smoking it. Hey, I gotta tell you something about one of our sponsors. I did not know that they did some clinical trials on, so Caldera, right? That's the face. One of my favorite sponsors. Listen, I never used anything on my face ever because my skin's just, it's just perfect naturally. No, that's not why. Because I just don't do anything. But then I use that Caldera. We talk about this all the time. It's like, it balances out my skin. It's really nice. So I use it all the time. And I had no idea that they have some clinical trials. I'm gonna show you some of the stuff that they said. Apparently it's just as good as we experienced for a lot of people. So they did some. I think that's why it does so. Remember, we've openly talked about how surprised you guys were when I told you first about the brand. Like, hey, I really wanted, I like it so much. I wanna do it. And we're like, well, we'll see how the audience receives it. The reason why it does so well is because everybody returns. So it's clinically proven. This is a third-party clinical trial. So this is an actual study. It's clinically proven to work on normal dry and oily skin. So this is why Justin and I can both use this. We have very different skin. Both sides of the spectrum. But it still works. So 96% of the people in the trial reported healthier-looking skin, 91% smoother-looking skin, 91% less dryness, 89% improved radiance and luminosity, 85% more even skin tone, 87% improved the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. That's like, that's almost nine out of 10 out of everybody in the trial. Notice those positive things. I noticed it right away. I mean, the minute I put it on, I can see the difference. It's that beautiful. Any time I'm in elevation, it's like a go-to. Oh, dude, I dry out so fast. Yeah, heading to Truckee Arena. It's like, man, I actually have left it at the houses up there just because of that. Because I'm like, so many times I went up there and I'd forgot it and I was pissed. And then I was so- Well, my hands and my fingers like crack and that's when it's like real bad for me. So I like, just putting that on even on my hands, not even on my face, dude, makes a humongous difference. You ever put it on your beard? Not as much, no. Oh, I like my beard. It was funny, so when I was in Utah and I was at the gymnastic event, I was trying to get Everett, he was in the back and I saw, I was talking to one of his teammates. I'm like, can you go get Everett for me? And so Everett comes back and he's like, his description of me was pretty hilarious. He's like- Oh, what? Yeah, because he told, he's like, oh no, there's this guy asking for you Everett. He's some buff guy with a tiny beard. And I was like- Oh, I'm so calling you that. He did, I was like- A tiny beard guy with a tiny beard. And I was like a slight, you know, like I felt like- Oh, the Wi-Fi, that's so funny. Tiny beard, you know, I can grow a big beard. I just, I want it too. I'm like, I'm like ready to go ZZ Top after that comment, dude. It really got to me. It stuck in my head, dude. Oh, that's so funny to me. I'm so calling you tiny beard in that picture. He starts with like the comment and then cuts me, cuts me to pieces. We've been doing it for some new nicknames, dude. That's gonna stick, that's gonna stick, dude. Oh man. You're a tiny beard from now on. Oh man. I'm so glad you share that. If you were a pirate, you're a tiny beard. It's a tiny beard. It makes me, you know what it makes me think? It makes me think of like- It's never gonna get longer, so. Like a tiny mustache and like a little like- Do they call us here the flavor saver or whatever? Yeah, like just a, yep, yep, yep. Yeah, you know, drips it, just a little bit. That's so funny, dude. You got good facial hair. Yeah, dude, I like it lined up and everything. It's getting even longer and I'm just not gonna get action, so that's where I'm at. Wife doesn't like it longer, huh? Yeah, dude, she doesn't like all that bristly stuff. Jessica likes mine a little longer, but I look old. I look like an old, I got too many grays, dude. I'm like, all right, I'm not ready to look that old. My grays are really sharp, you know what I'm saying? You look like Wolfman, dude. I gotta talk to Vic about it. Vic tries to tell me she likes it, but I'm like, my hair stylist before, she used to clip it out. So she used to- Your grays? Yeah, where Vic's like, nah, I'll leave it in, it looks good. And I'm like, oh, man. You're adding like five, 10 years at least. I'm very seasoned these days. You guys ever have a buddy that some dudes just, so Jessica, there's genes in her family. I think it's from her dad's side because her dad's side is Peruvian. They don't grow a lot of body hair. Now, if you're a girl, like Jessica's like a, she's like a dolphin, like she's got no hair. Like she doesn't grow barely any hair on arms and legs. And so for her, it's amazing. But if you're a guy, it's kind of weird, right? I don't know why I love that comparison. A dolphin, because they're like smooth, you know? You hear the cackling immediately in my head. I don't know, that's good analogy. What else would I say? I don't know, something really smooth and sexy, you know? Dolphin skin. I don't think she's gonna like that one. Dolphins are hot. No, she's still got no hair. I like talking about why my wife's not having body hair. We'll ask her how good you are at describing her. No, don't. I got in trouble once, dude. Just once? More than once, I'm not gonna say it. But anyway, so her brother can't really grow any facial hair at all. How old is he? What do you mean, how old is my age? Or a little younger? Yeah, he's a grown man. Oh, okay. He's always been baby face. It took a long time for my man beard to grow. Like it wasn't that way when I was like, even in my early 20s, I couldn't grow like a full-on. Yeah, you're relatively my buddy. Yeah, no, I'm not. You're relatively hairless. Yeah, I'm not a dolphin. I mean, I'm not quite dolphin status, but quite dolphin status. Yeah, I'm more like walrus, you know? You're the hair it is by far. No, this is my arms are right here. But beard, or facial hair for men, for some, not everybody, just takes time, takes away. It took probably into my 30s before I like really could grow like a 30s. Yeah, I'd say I was like probably 30. I was probably 30 when my like beard really filled. For the longest time, I had like this, this stupid ass gap that drove me crazy. Where? Between like where my goatee is at right now and like connecting, it wouldn't connect. And I couldn't connect like my mustache. Oh, I still don't. Yeah, so all that stuff wouldn't, wouldn't, the big old chops. Yeah, and so then, so I mean, God, I mean, we go date ourselves. Like, I mean, I rocked the sideburns forever. I remember when that was, yeah, yeah. Longest time in the hell, longest sideburns. But part of the reason was I couldn't grow a full beard. I couldn't connect all the way down to my chin. You know what I'm saying? So I grew facial hair really young, but then I stopped. So like out of my cousins, I got, you know, right away I got hairy and all that stuff first. And so I thought it was cool. And then I paused and then they just got monkey style. Like they just got hairy, dude. And now I'm happy about that. I don't want the shoulder hair and the back hair. No, you don't want any of that. Speaking of which, I was with my son yesterday, my 18 month old, we're outside playing and it was hot. So I took my shirt off or whatever. And he's got this thing for, he's got this thing for boobs. So I'm just gonna put it out there. He doesn't breastfeed anymore, but he will find a way to pat on Jessica's boobs or rub his face in there or squeeze. And she's trying that to like shame him to make it feel weird. But at the same time we crack up cause he'll be playing with her and then he'll pause and he'll like, ta, ta, ta, ta. You know? And he'll like put his face on it and stuff like that. All of us are cracking up. We're trying that to make him feel- When he's 50 years old, he's gonna still be doing that. He's like, he's got this thing, dude. You know what I'm like? Wow, bro, we gotta work on this cause it's gonna become a thing. Katrina has to, Katrina wears a sports bra at night because right, he comes in the bed a lot right now, especially with how sick he is, how often. So he's like this too? Yeah, because of that. Because he will, in the middle of the night, he'll find him, grab him, pull on him, you know, everything. And she's like, I can't sleep. She goes, cause I was teasing her the other day. I was like, we were laying in bed. It was just her and I, he wasn't in bed yet, but we knew he was sick and that he would probably end up in our bed. And I go, slide my hands up, and I'm like, we two wear a sports bra. You trying to cock block me right now? Oh. She's like, no. She goes, I know my son's gonna be in the bed later on. I just, instead of having to do it, she goes, I have to do it in the middle of the night all the time. So I just put it on early. Well, so I was out with him outside, took my shirt off and I'm holding it right. So I'm kind of holding him like this. And he's like, and he looks down, you know, at my chest and I could tell he's trying to figure out like why it's hairy. And then he's kind of like touching it a little bit. And he's kind of got this confused look and I'm like trying not to crack up. I'm watching. And then he goes down with his head. It's different. He goes down with his head and I'm like, no, I'm not even gonna wait to see what you're gonna do, bro. I'm like, I pushed him. I'm like, don't do that. Jessica's like, don't make him feel what I'm like. I'm not gonna wait to see what he's gonna do on Dad's chest. So Max- I wanna traumatize him. So Max doesn't do that, but every time. I mean, I picked him up this morning. As soon as I got out of the shower, he woke up, he ran around the corner. He's in a good mood, was feeling better. And he ran straight to me and I picked him up. And like clockwork always, if I have my shirt off, he automatically puts one hand on my nipple and he's talking to me and he's playing with my nipple. Like almost subconsciously. Like he's not looking down at even doing it. He's just doing it while I'm holding him and we're talking or looking at other things and one hand is always fondling my chest. You gotta wear pasties. Yeah, dude. I'm curious about him. Give him something to do. He's just done it forever. And so I have a lot. And if I lay in bed, if we're all three in bed which is rare, he comes to my side or he gets cuddled up. He's always next to his mom. But if he makes his way to me and obviously I sleep naked, he's for sure, he's doing that. And that's part of why I can't sleep next to him because I can't. I can't sleep. Yeah, it'll irritate me all night long and have it filled up, do that. But he does that. That's so funny to me. Yeah, so I think it's very instinctual. It is because that's their like, because she breastfed the baby. So he's like, you know. There's gotta be a comfort thing with it. Of course. And that's why you get it even as a male. Now she told me he was gonna come down to smell because that's what he does with her. He goes down and he goes like that. And I'm like, still. I'm not gonna let him do that. It smells different. But yeah, he'll be surprised. Oh, you don't smell like Bob at all. That's me, buddy. He's speaking of sports bras because you brought that up. Do you guys like your ladies, their mother's day gifts? Oh, I know like for, I mean, Viori is always an easy one for me, dude. I ended up getting her like some leggings. So they had ones with like, this pocket for so she could put her phone in. Yeah. Have you seen their halo? It's a halo, we have a, oh, performance skirt. Have you seen this? It's a workout skirt for women. So it looks amazing. And then they have this long sleeve feather tee. So like Jessica likes to wear kind of baggy but not heavy long sleeve, like not sweaters, but it's like a T-shirt but long sleeve but comfortable. And she'll steal my shit all the time. So I'm always like, where's my shirt? And I look at her and I'm like, oh, thanks. This is very comfortable and amazing. I'm so guilty of not being the one that buys her Viori stuff all the time. She buys it most of the time herself and or Jerry does for me. So mother's day is already taken care of ahead of time. Did you actually see, speaking of Viori though, did you see that they're now doing gift cards digital? You can buy. Oh, she might have your wife even easier than she can pick up her own thing. Cause I do guessing for me is- Yeah, but gift cards are 50-50, dude. Well, it depends on who you're with. Like some people are- There's no thought in there. Yeah, but I feel like there's like a 50% of people listening right now. I'm like, hell, I would much rather my husband or whatever gives me- Jess doesn't like gift cards. She wants me to take my time and pick out. Now Katrina likes me too because I think she appreciates my style and I can help pick out something really good. So I think she likes that part of me. And so I do try and be the one to shop and pick things out for her. I don't, with Viori a lot of times, there are partners. I have Jerry who just handles all that stuff. So it's nice on all the deal of that. So she's okay with that, but she does like that. But I know there is half the audience. There's definitely women listening that are like, I would much rather have- Either you get a gift card or just all the skirts that they have on them. I'd be guilty of that. Yeah, that'd be my idea. Yeah, so I don't know. I'll ask Katrina actually. I've never asked her if she would be offended if I gave her a gift card for her birthday. I know Jessica- I like doing stuff. I know Jessica doesn't like it because whenever I say we should get a gift card for someone else, she's opposed. So like we're buying a gift for someone. I'm like, hey, my mom or my dad, they like this place is getting a gift card. She's like, there's no thought that goes into that. That's weak. You gotta think about something. You gotta be thoughtful. And she's a very good gift giver. I am not. I love giving gifts, but when I'm supposed to give a gift, I feel like I just can't pick. So I'm just like, money. We give tons of gift cards because there's so many people in her family and we celebrate every frickin' thing. So it's just like, dude, if I had to think about a creative gift for every single family, every cousin, nephew, uncle, aunt, brother, sister in law, like, oh my God, it would be so difficult. You wanna know what's crazy with kids now is that they don't want cash. They want gift cards because they don't go shopping. Crypto. No. Crypto.com. Hey, hey, my daughter, she's 12. She knows she heard Bitcoin, right? She has no idea what it is. I can literally buy her a fake coin and write Bitcoin on it. I got you Bitcoin, honey. Yay, yay, it's something. Yeah, that's awesome. No, kids don't want cash. They want gift cards because they don't shop at the store. They shop online. So we gave cash to a kid for their birthday and they were like, they told their mom, mom, can I trade this in for, can you give me a gift card? Oh, that's interesting. Because what do they do with the cash? They don't go to the store. They wanna buy everything on the internet. How wild, right? Yeah, how is, if anyone followed up, I think I shared an article not that long ago about the malls and stuff like that. It's like shopping in person, like just continuing to plummet or because of the lockdown and then now people are going back out and people just wanting to be out. Anyone following that market? Yeah, I thought I saw the retail going up, but I don't know if that's changed or like plateaued or whatever, but I definitely saw a little bit of anger. So it is going up, but what I don't know, is it going up compared to what it was during the pandemic? Oh, is that pre-pandemic or post? Right, so I mean, I think that's what matters is like, is it going up in comparison to being dead and non-existent? Like that's not that impressive. Or is it going up relative to what it was pre-pandemic? That would be interesting to me to see if it's still, if there's still a rise. I did see a poll though, like when we had this discussion a while back about like going to the movie theaters and speculating is now totally gonna die because streaming services and now bringing it and all that, that the majority, it was like, it was a pretty high majority percentage of people that preferred to go in person now to theaters. Yeah, and like in, I guess movie ticket sales have definitely increased. So I cannot relate to that at all. Yeah, but okay. I definitely can. I think that it's, I think eventually it's gonna decline because of streaming and all that stuff. I think still the main purchaser of tickets are moms and dads. Our generation, we grew up with movie theaters. Do you think so? They're expensive. Do you think kids are gonna go buy? It's expensive. That's all relative. Where are kids going out on dates? Yes, it's all relative. That was like- It was way more expensive. Movie tickets for our generation was expensive to our parents' generation. They used to pay a dollar. No, no, no. In no way it matches the cost of the rate of purchase. It was $1 for them. It was $10 for us. It's $20 for them. Movie tickets were $10 when we were kids. You say were? When we were kids? Yes. They were like $7, $6. For Matt and A's or special shit, we got the $10 pretty quick, bro. Special shit. Yes, special shit. Can I watch the special movie? Okay, you're arguing over like- Let's look at, you know what? Can we find this? The average movie ticket cost, through the decades, let's look that up and see. Because I feel like it's way more- Bro, you go- It's not gonna die though. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, and I actually- Like me and the- Dude, I did not want to stay at my house for that long. I'm over it. Well, my point of arguing with you, Sal, was not that. It's more so that kids are the ones that are going. Like, the young generation. Like, if I was probably in high school still, that would be a place of socializing. Well, you know what they do now? Like, I'm a grumpy old man where I don't want to fucking hear someone chewing their food. Really? Oh, I like going to movies. Yeah, that's the reason why I don't go. If I go- You guys are homebodies, dude, I ain't even fucking out. Well, so there's certain things though. So I just text my best friends, okay, that I want us to try, and we'll see if we do, to make it to see the Top Gun release. Yeah. Because that's a classic, the new one looks sick. Stephen Wayne, they've had that, like, filmed for a couple years now. Okay. That's a pretty straight line there, Sal. Yeah, but I wish we could see it in comparison to inflation or whatever. What? Because then you can see- I'll try to reframe your argument. No, no, no, no, no. Fucking guy, it's pretty simple. If it was a dollar for our parents, it was 10 for us and it's 20 for the kids right now, it's pretty relative. No, because if you look at, like, the cost of higher education versus houses, versus- Now you're going to argue semantics, bro. No, that's how you do the calc, that's how you do that. Dude, it's pretty, it's not as- Do you think it's a deterrent, whatever price point it is now, for like- No, I'm saying that because it's so expensive, that it's- Fucking minimum wage is ridiculous, right? A kid who's- Oh, tearing the line? The kid who was in line tearing the tickets to let you in, he used to get paid $4. Now he's getting paid 20 bucks an hour. Doug, how much were tickets when you were watching, what are they called, talkies? Were they talkies when they were- Charlie Chaplin? Those are good times back then. Oh, it was a nickel. It was a nickel. Popcorn was 15 cents. He's like, there was a person. There was a guy that juggled before- No. Showtime. An organ player. Doug, do you remember the cheapest movie ticket you ever paid for? I, you know, probably $3, but it was like a matinee type thing? Yeah, okay. Yeah. But when Star Wars was a big deal when that first came out, right? In fact, the other day I was watching a thing on that, and there were lines, I don't see this anymore, lines around the blocks, you don't really see that anymore, do you? Yeah, I do. Well, yeah. Things like Star Wars? All the Harry Potter's, like get that, bet you Top Gun will get that. Like, oh yeah. No, Top Gun's not gonna do that. Yes, it will. No, it's not. All right, we'll play Side Bet right now. That movie's gonna suck. It's a ton. What? That movie's gonna suck. Tom Cruise. Yeah, Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise, great. Hey, you know what just came out? Speaking of movies, you know what's on Netflix right now? Only on Netflix? What? The Rambo, Last Blood. So, hold on, the Last Blood. Yeah, dude. Hold on. That's the one right before Last Blood. Yeah, no, no. Actually, okay, so all the Rambo sucked, except for the first one. First Blood was actually a pretty damn good movie. It was a good movie, truly. Then they got weird. But this last one, obviously, come on. Rambo resurrected. Bro, Sylvester Stallone's in his 70s. The dude is jacked. And the premise, I only watched the first 30 minutes, his niece goes to Mexico to find her dad, and then she gets kidnapped. Now I know what's gonna happen. He's gonna go down and kill everybody and kick everyone's ass. So I'm pumped about it. So I can't wait to finish watching the rest of this, really, dude. I didn't even know that this is new. Is it still making those? Yes, it's The Last Blood. It's the last one. I mean, there's no way he could make another one, right? That's what he's gonna do after that. Bro, look how jacked he is, though, for his age. He's gonna do a zombie one. Is he 70? How old is Sylvester Stallone? He's gotta be 70. He's over 70. Is he? That's awesome. Yeah, he is. He's still kicking ass. Drugs are amazing. Well, okay, come on. The guy also, wow, 75, bro. Wow. You have got. Yeah, I wanna be jacked in 75. You have got to see how. Chuck Norris is 82? Oh, no, he's not. Yeah, it says right there. Yeah, 82. Arnold is 74. What does Chuck look like right now? Did you know Chuck Norris doesn't have a chin under his beard? Just another fist. He's too big. There's so many Chuck Norris memes, dude. You saw that at me somewhere for sure. I missed the Chuck Norris. Let's see a current picture of Chuck. Yeah, I don't know. This might be as current as I get. That's not Chuck Norris. Well, according to this, it is. No, it's not that bald guy right there. I don't know. That's not Texas. Total gym. It's still rocking, dude. I love them infomercials. Did you guys, okay, you guys watched what was at Return of the Dragon where Bruce Lee fights Chuck Norris at the end? Did you guys see that? What a great fight scene, bro. What a great, that's where you like. How awkward doesn't have him current, huh? D-Rope. I'm gonna look for that right now. Yeah. I've seen people dub over different music to it and it's just not good. When he grabs his chest there and pulls it off. Ding, ding, ding, ding. I see his carousel whisper over it. It was awkward. I love it. Yeah, that was a great scene. It doesn't say, huh? It doesn't, but he looks pretty good for his age. Listen, I know so much as to alone. Chuck's killing it, dude. I know Sylvester Stallone is on testosterone. I know he's been taking growth hormone forever. Yeah. Fine, but the guy's been consistently training his ass off forever. Oh yeah. Disrespect, yeah. He's been working hard. The drug's comment was just maybe funny. I mean, I think- So as I'm watching it with- It's helped. As I'm watching- I'll use all that shit when I get down there, for sure. Yeah, as long as I can afford all that stuff, I'll use all that to kill you. I mean, as long as it doesn't kill you, I was watching it with, well, kind of watching with Jessica. She was on her phone, because she's annoyed that I put Rambo on. But I'm like, babe, I'm like, he's 75. She's like, are you gonna look like that when you're 75? I hope so. Look how good Chuck looks at 81. Yeah. Yeah, he looks pretty good. Yeah. Interesting. But anyway, I'll tell you guys about the movie. I know you're not gonna watch it, so I'll tell you guys all about it. Okay. After I finish watching this. I mean, I'm really curious though about going back to the movie theater argument, because I do think that, you know, this streaming stuff that we have going on is really, it's a big disruptor. Yeah. So it's going to change the landscape. To Justin's point, I think there will always be people that will want to go. I don't think it'll ever go away. I think that... Well, it's a totally different experience. Yeah, and exactly. I think the era of the just, remember when we used to go to movies, it was just a theater, some popcorn, that's it. I think that's not gonna exist. I think now you go, I was just, I just dropped my phone out of- Yeah, but okay, so imagine this for a second. They have like good food now. They have drinks. Some of them, they've enhanced these. Imagine this. So like, what are some of the top things when you, because you're the person I'm most curious about, because you're different than we are in this argument. Like what are some of the top things that is unique to going to the movies versus watching? Because you feed off of everybody else. Okay, so that's, I knew you were gonna say that. Group flow. Yeah, I knew you were gonna say that. Like an example. Okay, we're not far from you sitting down in your living room with your VR. And, okay, I had your experience. That's not the same thing. It's actually pretty cool. I experienced as my best friend, watching the NBA basketball game, Quartzide. And he's on. That's only because you don't like people. I think it's a... No, I met a couple dudes too. Then I hit random strangers. You met dudes on your VR? In the virtual world. Yes. Is that how they sold you the glasses? Meet dudes. No. On the internet. Put all these VR glasses. You know what I mean. Okay, so that I knew Justin would go that way, that there is this kind of like, oh, it's like you are still with other people and the community feel and like they laugh in the theater. It enhances the laughter in the... Well, why do you like to go to sports events live? Well, I do certain ones, not all of them. Okay, yeah. But again, I guess it's just a different experience. Like I get really into like the surround music. And you can obviously orchestrate this engineer in your house. Like if you like created a theater room. Yeah, but look, I'm like you, Justin. It's the anticipation. It's the driving to the theater. It's brand new. And it's like a lot of people don't know what to expect and I like that. You're around real people. Oh my God, we're about to go into theater. You got your popcorn, you sit down. There's people around you. Everybody's like, I get it. It's like a ritual. Yeah, I get it. I love the movies. So I'm the same way. I totally get it. It sounds like a bunch of old guys. All that stuff's getting disrupted. Memories, yeah, it's like... Yeah, hold on. We sound like old guys because we want to go to movies. He doesn't sound like an old guy because he's angry at home. No, I'm not, okay. I don't like, I'm not anti-movies. I haven't been like three years. Part of that obviously is because of the pandemic, and I plan to go back. I was sure as shit not going to sit in a movie theater with a fucking mask on. That's like, that's a real easy decision for me already. Well, I was in there when everybody's mad. I just, you know... With the lights around? Yeah. Come on, I've done worse things with the lights out in the movie theater than taking my mask off. Let's be honest. We've seen all the holes in the popcorn. We've seen it. We know what you're up to, dude. Hey, baby, what's the popcorn? Yeah, I'll go... Such an old trick. I'll go with you guys and watch Top Gun 2. Even though that movie sucks, I'll go with you guys. Yeah, let's go. No, I would go to the movies. And more of my point is not that I think theaters will ever go away, but just I'm curious to like how they're going to recreate the things that people really like of that. And I do think that I don't think it'll be the same. I think old guys like us will appreciate the experience, the drive there. Other people think that's the hassle, South. I know, I know that. The things that you're saying are like, oh, the anticipation, the weight, the drive, like younger generation going like, what the fuck is he saying right now? That's all the shit I hate about going to the movies, right? So you got to understand that it's going to get disrupted and it's going to look radically different in 10 or 15 years from now. So my mind's more on like, I wonder how they're going to appeal, though, to somebody who kind of agrees more with Justin and I'm like, what are the things that he really loves about the experience of going there? And I think that they're going to create that. And this is what VR is going to do is you're going to be able to get that kind of vibe. It won't be the same. Well, I wouldn't have believed you until I started using Oculus and really seeing the potential there like that. So early. We've already got. It's so early. Whoa, this is a totally immersive experience. So I could see them, yeah, getting close to that kind of feel anyway. Like what I try and when I think of VR right now and think about the potential that it has, I try and remind myself of the first computer class I took in, you know, middle school. And the screens were fucking green. Yeah, organ trail. Yeah, and that, and yeah, organ trail was like, mind blowing, cool, or whatever like that. And to think where we are now with computers and to think that we're at that level right now with VR. So just think about where that. I don't like to think about that because I don't want to leave their house. We're all going to be just at home plugged in and that's it. I mean, I've been saying that's where we're going. We're going where half the people are going to just accept staying at home like 90% of the time and just that's going to how it's going to be. So, but I mean, I figure the people that want to just do that and they don't want to be out there. I guess those are people I don't want to hang out with anyways. So it's less traffic for me. So it'd be a virtual zombie. Hey, real quick, if you eat a high protein diet, you might be having some digestive issues or maybe you just want to assimilate every amino acid so you can build bigger, stronger muscles. One of the best ways to do this is to take high quality digestive enzymes. Now there's a lot of companies out there that sell digestive enzymes, but only one company we choose to work with by optimizers, MassDimes, one of the best products I've ever used, really helps with my digestion. I assimilate more protein. I notice better recovery, less inflammation and better digestion. 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That's not the best strategy because not only, yes, it's important to add more potential volume or intensity for a particular body part or even change the workout for a particular body part. You typically also have to offset the total volume from the rest of the body because most of us train kind of in this optimal range if you're doing everything right and just throwing more volume on top sometimes takes the volume up too high and then you actually don't benefit as much. So some of the best gains I ever saw in weak body parts was in increasing the volume on those body parts, but then also bringing it back on my stronger body parts to allow my body to have more resources and just less damage overall so it can focus on those lagging body parts. We're obviously, we're totally speculating on this, but what do you think is, what's most common with someone like this? With someone who struggles to build their arms. Obviously, if you- They're not connecting really, right? And you got somebody who understands volume and intensity which already tells me that they're a more advanced lifter, right? So you're not, we're not talking to somebody who's never lifted before, right? So it's not somebody who like, doesn't even know what to do, exercise-wise. What would you say is most common when you see somebody who struggles to put size on their arms there? I mean, I don't know, full range of motion can be it, technique, form. I think that maybe they're doing too much volume overall. Somebody who wants to bring up a lagging body part tends to do a lot of volume for lots of other things. What about a hard gainer in general? Just somebody who's actually like, struggles on the nutritional side to eat. It gets put enough size. I would say that- Added to calories. I would say that, but he says all of the mother group, all other muscle groups are improving. So if he's improving everywhere else except there, that's what makes me think back off on the volume on some other stuff and then add it to these weaker body parts versus nothing is improving but that body part I want to bring up. I can see the full range of motion on some level, just if you're in a sort of a pattern of doing the same types of exercises to try and isolate and you're not seeing any kind of growth improvement, you're not really giving it some kind of novel stimulus to interrupt that or to even reconnect with it. I think maybe you haven't spent enough time really getting that mind-muscle connection to then be able to get, maximize that recruitment potential. I like that point too because what he doesn't say or bring up in here too and we did a video on YouTube a long time ago, it's one of the more viral, old viral ones that we did where we talked about the elbow positioning when it comes to the bismuth. That was a big- Exercise selection. That was like a big aha moment for me when my training career is when I pieced that together and figured that out, the importance of manipulating that. I didn't even notice that I tended to do a lot of the similar type exercises even though they were different exercises because I was using a different tool, a rope, a triangle, a straight bar. You're like the same angle. Yeah, same angle, same position. I was stimulating the muscle the same way even though I thought, because it was a different machine, a different handle, I thought I was doing something really unique, but it really wasn't. It was very similar to the stuff I always do. And then simply by just making sure that, okay, every workout when I train my arms, I'm gonna make sure I target from this elbow position, from this elbow position and this elbow position, and now all of a sudden I saw huge gains in arms. So to be more specific, it would be like a bicep or tricep exercise where the biceps or the elbows are by your body in front of your body and then maybe overhead, right? So different angle positions that changes the stimulus. I can see that. The other thing I can see too is that you'll almost never find a workout program where when you're training multiple body parts where you do arms first. It's usually chest, shoulders, triceps, right? Back, biceps, or upper body. It always starts with chest or back and it goes to shoulders and then arms. If everything's improving and it's the biceps and triceps that you're having issues bringing up. Put it in the forefront. There's nothing wrong with hitting your biceps before you're back. Now for most people, that's not the case. For most people, you wanna go back first. But not if you're saying everything else is improving. Yeah, because the muscle groups that you hit first tend to get the most strength gains and the most muscle gains studies will show this. So do that. The other thing is really good full range of motion, slow control, focus on the muscle. We all know that. And then he mentioned volume or this person mentioned volume and intensity. Didn't mention frequency. In my experience, one of the most effective things to do to bring up a lagging body part is to train it more often. Not necessarily with more volume even, just more often. I've even taken clients with the same volume and split it up. So instead of hitting their, let's say their biceps twice a week for a total of, let's say, I don't know, 16 sets to do it three days a week and do five sets or six sets on each workout. So same volume, just more frequency. I agree with that. The only challenge with that is managing the intensity aspect because I think that. Yeah, you can't train super hard. Because I mean, I remember as a young kid, like that was the first way I started to attack. I was like, okay, I'm gonna train arms like every time I come in. But I was training it with this like crazy intensity every time. So I was constantly stuck in this recovery trap. So you have to understand that. I 100% agree that hitting it more frequently three, four times a week is totally fine if it's a stubborn lagging body part. Hitting it first. And hitting it first. But then you gotta also understand that you can't hammer the shit out of it. If you're doing it five days a week like that, you've gotta back off. The hitting it first makes a big difference. There was a point there where I, because my upper legs respond really well to exercise. One of the areas of my body that responds well. And I always would start with quads, right? So I would do my squats and whatever. And then I'd go to, you know, my other quad, then I'd go hamstrings at the end. And at one point I really wanted to bring up my hamstrings. And all I did was hit my hamstrings first. Now, before that, I would just add volume to my hamstring work. But by the end of my workout, I'm more fatigued and you know, it's a little more challenging. Then I did a whole stint. I did like a whole eight month period. Where I started my workout with hamstrings and then I moved on to the other exercise. And I saw huge gains in my hamstrings. So that working that muscle group first. I think that's great advice. I think that was, I've done that multiple times with different muscle groups that I thought was lagging in comparison to everything else. Totally. And I've always seen great improvement. Just simply by saying, hey, if this is, it's even like down to my calves, like which is like seems so ridiculous to start your workout. But for like- Yeah, who does that, right? But like two years consistently I did that. Two years consistent. Like every workout, very first thing I did was go over to the calves and did calves first. That was the best my calves ever looked was doing that. Now the second part is about giant sets. What's a giant set typically refers to three or more exercises strung together. So a superset is two. Giant set is typically three. So it would be like barbell curl, hammer curl, you know, preacher curl or something like that, right? Giant sets can be effective, but only as a novel stimulus. I've never really seen giant sets done long-term to be effective because it tends to be more endurance. Cause now you're doing like three exercises or more together and it starts to become more endurance than straight focus. You're efficient at doing a lot of reps. Yeah, but if it's like totally novel and you're like, I'm gonna do this for like three weeks. Anytime you change your workouts that much, you'll get like a really good, typically a good response in a short period of time, but I don't see it being a long-term approach. The problem that I would have with the giant sets is also with taking the advice of like increasing the frequencies. That's an area where you have to be careful. If you're gonna increase the frequency of training the arms and then you also are doing giant sets, like the likelihood that you're probably overtraining or over-applying intensity is probably there. So choose one or the other and test that and then tease it out. Next question is from Britt Spears loves shoes collection. Whoa, that's like, hold on a second. Your sand base right here. Brittney Spears and a shoe collect. They wanted to get picked for that. Yeah. Does the effectiveness of changing phases for hypertrophy say anything about the truth behind muscle confusion? You know, does the effect of, let me, what, the effect? So the fact that you change phases for growth, does that say anything about the fact that muscle confusion, that there's truth behind it? Well, that's where it comes from originally. Yeah. The problem is the muscle confusion part is it changes up every workout. Like they're always changing the exercises. Like there's, my problem is it doesn't really allow you to get super good and efficient at a lot of the lifts when you're changing all the time. Yeah. The worst myths in anywhere actually in any space, but definitely in the health and fitness space, the worst myths have some truth in them. Yeah. So they start with some truth and then they go crazy. And then- They get bastardized. That's what happens. The idea of muscle confusion of originally, theoretically it's correct. It's like don't do the same exact thing all the time forever. Yeah. Right. So, but it got bastardized and then it turned into this thing where it's just like, you know, now people are, we were preaching, and I'm by the way guilty of being one of these people that was, you know, preaching like we got to confuse the muscle every workout. So it's like you're doing something different to just- Shaking eight ball and then, yeah, yeah, thinking that that's a great approach to growth and it's so quickly, yeah. But yeah, 100% think that's where this came from is exactly that, that it does, there's tremendous benefit from you sticking to a phase for a short period of time. After you've ran that phase for a short period of time, i.e. three to five weeks or so, then you move into another phase and that's what promotes building muscle. Now some, there's a lot of exercises that you don't really gain the max value of that exercise until you've done it for a while and gotten good at it. These tend to be the complex movement side. Dead lifts and squats. When you first do them, you get stronger fast just cause you get used to the movement, but really the gains start to happen when you start to get good at the exercise, which means you have to practice them. You have to practice them a lot. Often, right? So you wanna do core lifts and you wanna do them often and you wanna do them long term. What you change up are the reps or the tempo. So I'm still squatting, but I'm squatting out the slower tempo or my reps are going up a little bit or I'm throwing in like a superset type of deal. Other exercises like single joint exercises, you can switch up a lot faster. I switch up bicep and tricep exercises all the time, but there's core things that I don't switch up very often. I tend to do an overhead press almost every time I do shoulders, right? I tend to do some kind of a row for back or some along those lines. So changing things up is important, but what you don't wanna do is think that that's it. And I just change up all the time cause then you never get good at anything and you never derive the real benefit. You're always in this phase of like trying to learn something in which case you don't really get the maximum. Well, it also depends on I think your goal though, right? Because I think if you are, cause one of the things I do remember about that phase of my life when I was going through this muscle confusion, right? I used to pride myself on saying like no workout ever looked the same, you know? So I was very fit, right? So I had great rotational strength. I had good mobility. You also had a lot of experience. Yeah, I had a lot of stuff going for me. What I wasn't doing was really progressing very much. I wasn't building a lot more muscle. I wasn't getting way stronger. I was just staying really fit because I was doing a lot of different things all the time. Good condition, relative strength. Yes, I was like, you know, if we always talk about the like building an avatar in a video game and you know, I just had a look. In the middle. Yeah, I was in the middle of everything, really good. You know, I'm pretty good at everything like that and it kept me overall fit. So there's some value to that if you're, obviously we get questions of people that are trying to make gains, improve, change body fat composition. If you're trying to make progress and moves, this is where this stuff really starts to matter because that's what's going, the things that you're talking about are what's going to make the body change in a direction at a faster, more efficient rate where if there's somebody who has reached this place of, you know, attained a look or their fitness that they want to be at and they want to just kind of maintain that fit physique, I think training that way isn't as bad as sometimes we make it sound. Yeah, I think that's why we all lean on like the actual strength coaching type of programming because it's, the law of specificity is still there. Like in terms of like how your body's going to adapt in a specific direction based on the stimulus you're providing. So you can only get good at something the more, you know, frequently you practice it. However, you know, the body adapts. And so what we try to do is sort of, you know, interrupt that process. But if you still want to get good at that very specific goal, you bring it right back. So it's like, it's still heavy in the rotation, but knowing, you know, where the body tends to kind of drift off in plateau, like we can say ahead of that, now we can keep progressing. Yeah, and some people will point to like advanced bodybuilders and be like, oh my God, they do a different workout every single time. Well, when you're really advanced, you and you've been working out for a long time, you can connect and do exercises pretty well the first or second time, depending on the exercise, right? But bodybuilders have been working out for a long time. They can go to any chest machine, any back machine, lots of shoulder machines or exercises, and they can feel it and get a good workout. When you're not advanced, there's the learning, you have to go and learn the lift and also complex lifts aren't like that. I've taken bodybuilders with lots of experience who never deadlift, had them deadlift, and it's like a five week process of getting them good at it before we start to add weight. It's longer than that. If you want an example, this is such a bad jab right here, but I just came across my feet, so that's the only reason why I'm bringing it up. Who comes to shake? And it's not meant to be for them, but it's such a great example, what you're talking about right now is, and you brought it up, remember you said, does it feel like the bodybuilding space is deadlifting squatting way more since we started talking about it five years ago? So what's his name, Mr. Classic Olympia, what's his name? Jeremy Boudia. He started deadlifting, huh? Yeah, he's deadlifting. He's been deadlifting for a while now, but when you watch him, it's rough. It's a rough form, dude. He never deadlifted. Yeah, and that's the thing. You never deadlift like that. You see him squatting barefoot now. You see him trying to deadlift and stuff like that. It takes a while. It does. Especially when you haven't done it in a long time. It's, and even for someone that advanced, who has that great mind. Now you put them on back and chest machines and he'll hit it right away. No, and it's not to take anything from the guy when it comes to sculpting and physique and how impressive all the other things that he can do, but it's such a great example of someone who's that experienced in lifting and how complex a deadlift or a squat can be that that person is, he's arguably one of the best connected people to his muscles than more people than the 99.9% of the population, yet still taking that dude years. Okay, because he's now, I've been watching him now for like last year or two that he's been consistently doing it and it still ain't pretty. So it takes a while to practice that. That's true. And so in other words, he still is not even reaching the max benefit from that deadlift. And when he gets really good at that movement, he's gonna start to, and I already see his back changing from the progression of him starting to do that already. No, I was referring to what's his name, Cebum. Oh, he always deadlifts. That's what I'm saying. I feel like. He's got a beautiful deadlift as well. Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. That's because he's been doing it forever. He has, and I think lifters like him are making other people in the space. Sure. Yeah, yeah. For a second. I was trying to highlight the example that you were saying of like the learning curve. Oh, no, no. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're talking about someone who's super advanced. Oh, he's really good deadlift thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Next question is from Kamui X. Is it okay to train to failure if I'm only focusing on a muscle group once a week? For example, arm day. You know, failure training is very interesting. And I tend to recommend most people avoid it, but I will say this. In a short period of time, it can produce some pretty fast muscle gains, but you got to program it properly and nobody programs failure training properly. Everybody throws it in into the workouts on a regular basis. The results from failure training fade real quick and you hit this fatigue from it. I'll tell you what, I can do nine sets for back with good intensity and it doesn't fry me like one all-out set to failure. And I know this because I've been experimenting with failure training and programming with failure training and I'm coming to some interesting conclusions, but for the average lifter, for the most part avoiding it's probably a good idea. Well, you know why that is because there's so many variables that come into play when you push to that limit. Yes, because you're pushing those outer boundaries that it could have some extra benefits, but it also requires a lot of other things have to be in place. Like for example, if my sleep is really off or my diet is really off and then I fucking failure train that workout, the likelihood that I'm gonna reap the max benefits from that failure training because of those little variables, it's very minimal, but I could go into the gym and just slightly progressively overload my body or challenge myself a little bit and leave two in the tank and progress my body still, even on not the most optimal sleep and maybe not the most optimal diet. It requires a more dialed in person. Not to mention there's probably the genetic variance of some people's bodies that can just handle being punished like that and other people that are very sensitive to that. So I think why this is such a debated thing or this a hot topic because there's so many and why we lean so much in the opposite direction of why? Because you can build the most amazing physique, the most competitive physique and never train to failure. I will make that argument all day long. Well, the studies compare it side to side and they show that. Yes. They show that there's no... So if you can do it without it and you're risking more by playing with it, it's like... I will say though, if you program it right, it can be very interesting. I agree. That's the thing is you can see great result initially and I think that what it does is it draws people that are most likely to abuse it because they get excited by the initial results. They think that this is like, it's applied for mental discipline. It's applied for their sports training. It's like most hard work at work, all that same button they've been hitting for everything and then it works initially but now it's not working for them but maybe I gotta go harder. So I just see it's such a great point. It just goes in that natural direction. It does attract probably the wrong person. Of course. It doesn't attract them. The person that I was saying who's got everything all balanced and it's got great sleep, great diet, not a lot of stress and they've managed all that and then that person, which ironically, that's the yogi type person who avoids training that one. They should probably train a failure. They should probably train a failure in their life more often and would reap some massive benefits from it because they do such a good job of managing all the rest of the stresses in their life that adding that into their training routine would probably benefit them big time when it comes to muscle but it attracts the person that you're talking about. The caffeine junkie, not sleeping very much, burning the candle at both ends and when I hit the workout fucking crush too. Yeah, people really underestimate how much attacks is the body. I'm telling you, one set of real failure, okay? When I say real failure, like I have to put the bar down on the safeties, okay? Of real failure squats, one set will hammer me more than a nine set decent intensity leg workout or even 12 set. It takes me way less time. I'm done in 15 minutes but I am fried and I know because I've had Doug experiment because I'm figuring out some programming with this and stay tuned. But even Doug will tell me his 15 minute failure workout and he's like, dude, my legs are, I'm like exhausted. So it taxes the body in a very interesting way. Here's the other thing it does. It's more ripe for injury. It just is. Like when you go fatigued, your form goes out the window. If you don't have like perfect technique and you fail, the risk of injury starts to get really high. Much higher. Yeah, so you really got to be smart with this kind of training. So almost. I know. And I know I'm like pushing against it. I use it. Okay, so I'm not somebody who's not like, I just think that, and we don't know who this person is, right? So I'm not, this is also hard. Like if I knew who I'm looking at and who I'm talking to and I know kind of their background, how they've been lifting, where they're at in their journey, the advice changes, right? Like definitely depending on who I'm talking to, I might be like, hey, you know what? Yeah, let's start to play with a little bit of failure training. You've been, we've got all these other things we've dialed in really well. Let's start dabbling with this a little bit. Let's see what kind of response you get and then let me hear your feedback. Like I absolutely would do that with clients, but I also had control of that. I knew who I'm talking to. When I'm talking to the general population and knowing the kid I was who would probably be listening to this podcast and stuff coming into weight training, I'd be better off listening to someone who's telling me like you don't need to train. I got better results when I stopped training failure. So did I. Straight up. And again, it's because the programming is really tricky with failure now. I'm starting to really realize, but, and I tell you what, failure is a lot further than you think. Like you do a set of, like I said, squats to failure. You think you're about to fail and you're like, I got another rep. And then you're like, oh, should I go to the rep? And I got it. It is nasty. It is grueling. Yeah, but to your point too, that really hard to keep your core and everything really tight while you have to focus so much on your form and technique when you go to failure way more than if you don't. And I'm, I know what I'm doing. So you get the average person going to failure and it just goes out the window. Next question is from XDMW08. Is bodybuilding healthy? No. Competitive bodybuilding, no. Bodybuilding from, well, bodybuilding from an exercise perspective and diet, from a, you know, if you exercise a bodybuilding style, connect to the exercises. Train for a hypertrophy is a different conversation. Yeah, feel the muscles. If you eat, you know, high protein and you stay relatively lean, like that kind of bodybuilding lifestyle, very healthy. Longevity. There's a difference between saying, training like a bodybuilder or training like an athlete, then, or like saying those are two separate things, or then training, they're saying like, then bodybuilding as the sport or playing a sport. Playing a sport and doing bodybuilding are not healthy. So no sport is healthy for the body. No bodybuilding is healthy for the body. Training like an athlete sometimes is very healthy for you. Training like a bodybuilder, it's very healthy for you sometimes. So that context matters here. And so how this question is being frayed, like is bodybuilding healthy? I'm assuming they're asking like the sport of it, just like, it's like pull bodybuilding out and say, is soccer healthy for you? And it's not, you know, it's football healthy for you. It's not. So it's the same thing when it comes to that, but is training athletically to have skills like a soccer player? Or like, yes, at times that could be extremely healthy for you. So the same thing works here with bodybuilding, but the actual sport of bodybuilding, and I know some people like to argue it's not or whatever, okay, the actual event of bodybuilding. Like training like that, you know, pre-contest, diet, on stage. Yeah, there's a reason why they call us walking dead men when we get on them, because you push your body to such an extreme with depriving yourself of calorie and nutrients and water and fucking with sodium. And you know, and that low of a body fat percentage that is not healthy. So how can that thing be healthy if the place that you get rewarded for is not a healthy place to stay? No, no. But if you live the lifestyle where you're like, yeah, I like to go to the gym and I like to train for hypertrophy and feel the muscles and get a good pump and do multiple angles and different exercise. And I like to eat five meals a day and high protein. And you know, I keep myself relatively lean. I like to look sculpted. That's longevity. I mean, as a longevity approach when it comes to strength training, low risk of injury, because you're focused on bodybuilding rather than how much weight you can lift. There's definitely longevity in that. The diet part is amazing. Competitive body, one of the most unhealthy sports. Let's be real. Like you're forcing your body to build as much muscle as possible by any means necessary, including, you know, antibiotics and all that stuff. Then you starve yourself and you get on stage. It's just, and they die, they die early. We're seeing this all the time. Yeah, like some of the disciplines that go into it, I think you can turn that into healthy practices, especially the awareness around like how food affects your body, how you can optimize recovery, what you can do to really, you know, move the needle in terms of muscle development and really connecting and being able to flex and have control over your body. So I mean, there's elements of it in there that I think that you can learn, that you can apply for longevity, but in terms of the actual overall bodybuilding, it's just not helped. Just like sports, just like you can say, you can pull from your experience in football and talk all day long about how much that has enhanced your life and made you a healthier, better version of yourself. So absolutely there are aspects of the sport of football. There are aspects of the sport of bodybuilding that can be very, I mean, it's crazy every now and then I do get a question where someone asks me, like, do you regret, you know, bodybuilding? Oh my God, I don't regret it. It was an amazing experience doing it. It taught me so much about myself. It's made me a better coach. It's made me a better communicator around nutrition and physiology. Like there's so many things that I learned and even being that late, I was late into my fitness career starting into bodybuilding and I still learned a tremendous amount by going through it. So I think there's a lot of great positive things about it, so I'm not shaming it, but it's not the sport of it. The majority of my, I mean, a lot of my training and nutrition was borrowed from bodybuilding principles personally and I've got great, you know, it feels great, but no, I wouldn't compete or do anything like that. That's just nasty. Probably the, I would have to say the most unhealthy sport. It's very dysfunctional. If I had to guess. Try to keep doing it. Look, if you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. 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