 to order 601 so we we do have a quorum of select people here in building so if something does happen and Paul loses service or something like that we will continue on as as above but and Lynn Lee won't be on this season so so first on the agenda is to approve the agenda it looks like we're gonna have to amend the appointment for the EIC committee so we'll take that off for this evening and then I would say instead of having this sit here through the whole meeting for move the Cub Scout pack up any issues or that I was just thinking we'll move that right to the top right after public comment so we'll do the Bethel Cub Scout and and we'll have to add an executive session just to talk about the dedication of the town report I don't technically doesn't meet the legal obligations to go into executive session but he's always done it as a surprise issue and okay I don't think anybody's gonna have too many issues about that sounds good so we'll just add an executive session at the end so that we can talk about the dedication of the town meeting book anything else to amend or change on the okay all right couldn't hear what Dave said Dave just said he wanted to bring up something at the when we talked about the transfer station budget piece okay I think it's more related to our discussion that we had last time regards to the interlocal agreement piece correct okay yep yep hey any any other additions or changes if not just need a motion to approve as amended so second okay all in favor truly did you get all those yeah okay perfect yeah yeah all right so first first on the agenda now it means there's no appointments as we'll go right to public comment so now's the time to anybody that's well probably gonna be anybody that's on the zoom call anything for comment on just raise your hand and we'll call on you and we'll give you like we've talked about three three to five minutes for discussion item or if anybody in here if not hearing none we'll close public comment we'll move along our first amended item for the night is to talk about the Bethel Cub Scout pack and I would assume it's still in regards to using the town hall for for the winter so I know we we all had gotten a little make a little right up in our packet so if you want to just kind of take us through what what you're looking to do and how long I know most of the information is in here but just yeah I think all the information should be in the letter that was submitted basically the pack doesn't have an indoor place to meet right now we had been meeting pre-pandemic at the school but the schools trying to keep you know people out of the building which is understandable so we've been meeting outside until the weather turned which is making it a little bit challenging although these kids are troopers and last weekend or the weekend before Christmas we did campfires made it fun and interesting but stayed outside but we're just looking for somewhere we're up to 12 kids now we were down to five and now we're up to 12 so we need placed indoors where we can spread out so you're talking about using this room here or the downstairs this room would be great okay I mean I don't think at the end of the day really yeah I got a dozen kids that need to social distance this is as long as I had it right it was Saturdays we meet Saturdays at one every Saturday every Saturday and I'm just trying to entries for the winter time do we have any anything going on in here on Saturdays I don't know she'll have to contact Kelly Hill send Kelly and email and this week and Kelly will tell you you can pre-schedule your Saturdays with Kelly yep okay so I guess what you're looking for us is about waving the wave in the fee because for us to do a one-time fee would be one thing but to do it every week and what would add up quickly what does the board feel about waving the rental fee for the Cub Scouts and if I correct me if I'm wrong this is a bevel related Cup Scouts it's packed to a two-base in Bethel we do have kids from other towns but the bulk of the kids are from right here in Bethel yeah the troop used to me in the basement of the town hall I know we had to clean a bunch of stuff out of there because we were you guys there was being renovated and there was paintings all over the walls some of our adult leaders remember when they met there is a scout so okay just need a motion to allow the Bethel Cub Scout pack 202 rent-free usage of the town hall for Saturdays assuming the schedule works out with with Kelly Saturdays from one to three okay all in favor hi we're good so as long as everything works out with Kelly on your schedule and you could go I mean whatever yeah I'll follow up with Kelly and thank you very much sounds good thanks can Dave move his microphone a little bit I think it just needs to be in front of him a little more by your computer that is better thank you yeah that's perfect thank you all right then next on we had to continue our discussion on the budget as well as the goal tonight was to make a motion to approve it so we had it I think I'm a let's see the one I put in your packet is at 2.02 percent after the adjustments for retirement and things one in the that was in the packet we what if anything have we done about pay increases we budget a 3% we budget a 3% increase it doesn't mean anybody gets it it's based on their evaluation so it's up to 3% sometimes it could be more because say maybe not everybody gets 3% sometimes there's a little bit more play in the budget depending on the department but yes that's what we budgeted at was 3% I had done a brief a salary survey for the road crew and looked at what the state of Vermont was paying because most recently they all received a $4 an hour increase and I feel like we're in pretty good standing and if you look at the entire package not just salaries we also pay for the full premium of people's health insurance half the deductible and we're at 19.4% on the retirement and we also pay for dental so the package itself is pretty good but we did so we so we budget 3% excuse me and just correct me if I'm mistaken but I understand there are no town employees who are below $15 an hour is that correct correct there may be some lifeguards are seasonal positions but no full-time positions are below $15 an hour okay and they're also too I think that the treasurer I know for a fact the treasurer and the treasurer and town clerk salary is up because you had she got a 3% but I believe she asked for a 5% and you guys felt more comfortable letting the voters vote on that so there is a 5% increase in there for the town clerk treasurer which is her request I was looking this evening and the cost of living in Vermont is up 6.5% and so I am asking whether 3% is sufficient given the that reality I like to make a comment and for years and we're going back a lot of years when the cost of living was 0.01 and 0.1 the people that work for the county that will get 3% 4% every year I think I think what Trees has done she I don't think that the our 3% versus the state 6% is a viable comparison I think the comparison that Trees has done by looking at statewide salaries is more online than what we should do than that number of 6% I will say that Dave is right what we do in the past gene what I have done is we have always like I said since I've came we've budgeted 3% but it depends I always look at what the social security cost of living increases so there are years that that Dave is right that people may get a 1% cost of living adjustment and then they also might get that other 2% in a merit so we do try to look at that there was a year if it was last year the beginning of covid the cost of living was 0 and we did freeze salaries for a while and I didn't give out a couple of increases later in the year but not the full year because but yet our insurance premiums went up our retirement went from 13.84 to 19.5 so that's something that the town residents pay so I did look at that gene and saw that it was going to be 6% this year but also thought about you know I kind of in the school of thought with Dave which was you kind of have to level it out and it's hard for the you know to take a big hit and and I always try to take the whole package and consideration yep and I I fully understand and appreciate the difference between what it costs the town and what an employee receives I understand that those are two different numbers because I live with same things budgeting for my whole life the but I did want to ask the question because this is because of inflation this is an extraordinary an unusual year and so I just wanted to question that you're right it is it totally is and um because at first I'd had a lesser percentage than three and then um and then obviously saw the new numbers and was like yank what are we gonna do so but that's certainly up to your discretion as a board I just built the budget around three I think the other thing too we've talked about for years is and and obviously we're probably due to take a look at the what we call the the total compensation package you know um but for so many years it's difficult to kind of look at that because because we pay such a high percentage of um like retirement retirement at the back end pieces yep where maybe in the private section your salary might go up but you may have to contribute a greater percentage of your retirement or your health care too so it's always been one here I want to say it was the towards the end of when uh it was right before Therese had taken over we had we had looked at the total compensation package is that right Therese it could be around that to see what because we were kind of trying to figure out more so on attracting talent to the town um at that time but um but once you add in the total compensation package it was it was pretty lucrative compared to and they well benefits are significant times and during those years because we're talking about when health insurance itself would have gone up 10 percent so we just ate the 22 percent of retirement this year um that wasn't budgeted for is retirement based on salary level yes so if salary goes up three percent so does the retirement yep it's yeah it's 13.8 for no it's 19.5 percent of the um of the salary is what the town pays and currently the employee pays 6.6 five percent of their salary into the retirement and do town employees are they subject to withhold federal withholding yes okay not like some teachers right yeah no they're they're subject to all the withholdings and um but unlike unlike healthcare you need to need to understand that retirement while it is not money in your pocket today you all that money that's going in there is your money for healthcare you relax with better word you just throw that money away if you're if you're well and not sick that five thousand or seven thousand dollars a year i spend on healthcare is gone right i put five thousand dollars in retirement it's my money someday right once you're vested plus yeah once you're vested in plus interest and everything else yeah i i'm not yeah i fully understand i'm just okay so it looked like um terry's over like overall budget number um based on the revenue and cost it was a net net increase it's 32 000 i think i'd written down um could be i met yeah i look i have 2.02 percent it was a net increase of 32 000 which was you know about a penny and a half on the grand list um and i know we had at the last meeting we kind of talked about like this two percent which is about two cents kind of where put a little money for you know future endeavors right um and then i was looking at it i mean i don't know necessarily where the best place to put it is because there's a bunch of things that could potentially pop up here but um you know if we added another eight thousand dollars worth of cost that would take us to our two cent area that we were talking about last time and i do know there's a few few things that may pop up here through some future discussions one is you know as we were talking about the potential storm water things on dark hill that we may have to address um as well as like in our packet there was some talk about some of the class fourth class roads that that may need may need some materials or a little extra tlc here over the next couple of years so um i was thinking that we would take like an extra 8 000 bring that right up to the two percent and we could say whatever we can say it's gravel or gravel and culverts or something put it into the highway department so we can use it for one or the other um and then did we set aside our class four road improvement well yes yeah in highway rehab when we put in the capital fund the capital fund is broken down for class four bridges and highways but did did we end up remember uh when mo i think it was the last year that mo was here remember we talked about having a yeah a class four specific um item and i think we had talked about like eight or ten thousand dollars a year based upon the the rate of upgrades that we need to do yeah and we did it it's in the one if you i don't have it in front of me but the um we did it in the capital fund budget if you did it under highway rehabilitation that hundred and fifteen thousand we have budgeted we did it through there so when you look at the revenue you'll see how much we put in for bridges how much we put in for class four roads and how much we put in for roads okay so it's all in that one capital fund so if i was going to add eight thousand i'd add it to highway rehab that way you don't lose it in your fiscal year okay because i'm looking at the uh budget for 20 budget for 21 we're gonna propose for 22 it's all the same number so it doesn't it it is in the budget but when you it is in the budget but when you look at the capital like if you look in the town report from last year if you look under the um capital highways or roads or whatever it's labeled as it you'll see it i'll make sure you have it in the next packet but i i i guess i would agree i think chris said that if we took that eight thousand we added it to that one fifteen that's where he suggested we put that money the extra eight don't you say first well i just well one of what we're trying to get to that kind of magic number that we had been talking about and then you know a couple of communications that have come back and forth reading the class four um committees notes plus we had been talking about some of those um as well as you know the residents on dark hill there's likely we're gonna have to spend some money in one or two or both of those places um yeah and and probably the most logical place to put that you know would be there um i think if we budget for it or don't budget for we're likely gonna be doing something right right and two don't forget if we have to do any sort of surveying on right road that's gonna cost us too so i think that's a good place to put it is highway rehabilitation right so on paper if we if we went up eight thousand we on paper we would be at the two percent which is right coincidentally is about two cents on the tax rate um of course grand list if the grand list goes up a little bit that'll make an adjustment there but based on the current projection of the ground grand list that's where we land are you making a change somewhere else because the budget i gave you is at 2.02 and if you add eight thousand dollars it's going up if you look at the bottom of the second page of the revenues i'm projecting 2.02 right now and if i add eight grand i'm well you took out the transfer station uh income too i did just because right i took out the transfer station income and i added in the cost split the cost of what it would cost to do the land fill maintenance if you know just depending on what's going to happen with the negotiation i didn't want to count on a revenue we didn't have and then um you mean the closure fee the closure i took out the revenue of us receiving money back from the um solid waste in case we're not part of the in the case we're not part of it anymore um so we would absorb that portion of the salaries that i had allocated to the transfer station then i did add back in yeah that we have to do annual maintenance for the land fill test for pfoas and all sorts of what's good stuff and uh so i got the cost from jen and split it in half just in case that wasn't if we were to get out of it and it wasn't negotiated in that the legislation had to pay for it i didn't want to get caught with our pants down so so to speak right have we budgeted enough for gas for the constable and diesel fuel for the town i hope so i mean given the cost increases in those that particular items well compare when we looked at what they had spent last year and then what they had spent so far this year um yeah we i mean it's a it's a it's a gambled but it depends on the weather if the weather goes crazy they have more they're out more than they're going to spend more diesel um but we've been good with the budget so far then even this year they hadn't even purchased diesel until recently so i think that we're okay but i know my balls a little bit i think the 55 thousand dollar number that we have budgeted or have had budgeted the last couple years has been a very you know conservative number that we've had in there because there's a lot of factors in there were one if prices go up right which they are but two the fire department uses the same fuel supply so it all depends on calls and how much activity that equipment gets but it even looks like i mean if you look at you know if 55 was the true number you'd be saying well we need to you know we purchased x amount of gallons and it's up a dollar we need to add this but i think there's enough enough room in that number because we had when i had come on to the board we had been the opposite where we were budgeting like ten thousand dollars it was costing us thirty thousand dollars you know so we were like why are we going to continue to do that so i i think there is i mean there's always that chance that it goes higher and we all lose on it but i think right now those are my questions that's fine and um as far as the constable he's going to be well that's this year's budget but i think so i mean we we've always managed pretty well with the constable budget for gas so i'm and i think you're still at the constable and the thing you're still you know we're struggling to get you know the right amount of hours in there right now so i it's true we're not using we're not using the car as as often as we'd like it to be okay no oscar is going to be out for the month of january and maybe even part of february so we're going to be down even it'll just be justin so should we be making any kind of adjustment in the cruiser um the cruiser number because we do we did have to swap out to a new cruiser here this year so do we still need to build that fund as much this year you know in the next budget yeah i think so i mean i did a the spreadsheet on it i think that once we change out all's it's going to do is basically well because we didn't buy a i try to remember if we bought a newer i feel like it was the same year that's a good question paul i can't i don't have that thing in front of me um and i guess i didn't put in your packet my capital cruiser spreadsheet oh i know i gave it to kelly for the town report i'll have to look at it but i think we're okay just because i think the cost of what we the cost right and you can't even buy a used vehicle right now for 10 grand so i think yeah so i think that we're okay for this year if we end up if the economy changes we may be able to dial it back next year but it's it's hard to know especially too because we're not buying you know brand new ones if something goes wrong i think especially this coming year another covid year we're going to want the money but maybe next year we'll be able to dial it back that's a good point paul but i'm making out here to look at my to look at that spreadsheet i'm just looking at that point oh two you know is that oh two are going to go i know so this budget does not include the the extra funds that christ was talking about in order to get to two percent is that correct because we're already at we're already at two percent you're right we're already at two percent yes that's that's the budget i'd put in your packet so if you had eight thousand dollars you're going obviously over two percent but it's not you know you're like 2.2 it's well i'm i just and i got to think that the and where it caught us off guard last year's grand list increased at a larger than normal rate that it absorbed basically our whole increase yeah and i got to think with what's gone on this year that we're going to be looking at a another increase of the grand list don't know exactly what that is but i think once we get done i'd be surprised if you were paying but that doesn't mean more money is available it just means it gets distributed differently to the tax right okay so yeah because i think we have right now i mean you know we i know we haven't finished the discussions on a couple of these things but you know we're likely going to have to do something with those two discussions that are open you know either some fourth-class road stuff for or the dart hill thing um and i think i think just putting a little extra money aside rather than having to rob it from something else that we want to do like you know we were talking about gravel roads and typically that's where we rob it from is you know gravel roads is last so even even disregard percentage eight thousand dollars as we have to sit on the tax rate that's what you're talking about the grand list goes up the tax rate or down right right i think adding eight thousand is a great idea it's yeah it's two tenths of a cent yeah increase eight thousand i think i think trisha said eight thousand dollar increases are good yeah i think it's a great idea because contract work it's getting harder to find contractors and i just think that if we have to contract out more work it's good and we get behind you know we just had this conversation last meeting i know dave eddie had brought it up and he's right um you know you gained ground after april 2019 and then with that flood event and then but it feels like you're just losing ground every year so you have you know 60 about 65 miles anywhere between 64 and 66 miles of road that we maintain so another eight thousand i think is is great also too the budget could change if we stay within the transfer station we will get some of that revenue back for offsetting possibly some of bookkeeping so um you know i just had to budget for a scenario in which we were no longer part of that just in case but we don't know what that's going to look like yet too so that will also help the budget well i suggest that that should be ten thousand increasing the eight to the ten thousand for highways increase yes the eight thousand christ was suggesting which is more than what's in the budget current budget i'm suggesting that that increase be up to ten for extra highway stuff okay thank you how does that impact john q public with the tax bill so ten cents would be you know ten cents would be about six tenth of a cent that the ten thousand total if ten thousand extra is six tenth of a cent and a cent is about thirty no twenty one oh twenty one and again it depends i'll hire the grand list the less less but like to have that out there yeah yep so we would be looking at like our total budget would be that would be like you know two point four cents which is still less than the three that we've talked about for quite some time i mean we gotta think about at the end of the day last year it was flat you know we thought that we were increasing it but you know the grand list went up so as well as the school we thought was going up and that ended up that was that a wash last year or a slight increase or something but it was nothing compared to the three or ten cents that we were told it was going to be that's right that's right i forgot we were playing for the worst-case scenario last year we don't have any numbers on them yet um i i meant to attend the zoom meeting last tuesday and i got i got doing something with the girls and wasn't able to make it they don't they don't publish their um draft budget online like we do so it was you can find notes of maybe some potential increases but it doesn't talk about you can't see the overall budget so does that be helpful if we could get that good luck but i think at some point in tressa said this before i mean i know last year we were kind of thinking of it because it was we were told because of the debt and stuff that it was going to be considerable dollar but i think most of the time i think you know the town and the school are two separate identities and if we're always kind of pinching our pennies to offset theirs we're going to get behind on our end too you know that budget is a public dot i mean right i have no problem pushing on that because that's no we all as citizens have a right to know what that money is it's not like it's a contract of rotation or anything like that it's not i'm not sure they figured it out yet they had their finance person just left um so i don't know where they stand right now and and i say the same thing every year it's it's not us up to us to make up the school spending if people are uncomfortable with the budget they need to say no to a school budget um it's cool meaning yeah i mean i i like the budget um i like it even more with the eight or ten thousand dollars in it um i think it it gives you terese quite a bit of flexibility with some of the potential items that we have out there to do um and there's also some opportunities in there already if things go one way or another to save on the budget that we have now so and i you know being that we were a flat year last year i i really don't see that it's asking too much of our citizens for it feels reasonable to me we're under three percent which has been a target for quite some time um oh there's a six percent cost of living increase we're only up in this little two and a half maybe and and uh terese had i don't know if you saw it in the packet or not but terese had dug out that um the uh i don't know we'll call it regional but i think it's a little bit larger than regional tax map of the towns and i don't know what was it like 25 pounds or something like that and you know when you start looking at baffle on where we are situated in that 25 towns um when it comes to the the bill that our citizens um have to pay currently and the rank based on the median household i believe household income and we were we were in the you know the bottom third um so we were we were you know one of the more cost-effective towns in the region um now i mean you look at the only thing that sticks out to us on that is like our rate is higher the rate is high right but but that's not always you know because we're small town and you know it's not like you're a a large municipality that you can spread it out to more people um but if you look at the median tax bill i think it was was that right terese it was based on the median tax i think yeah the town manager and windsor tom marsh did i think i wrote his name yeah one of the you know the third we were in the third of the more efficient towns so i thought it was good information yeah no i thought it was really great um yeah he reached out to me and the other towns took he said he put it together and said he'd share if we participated i'm like well here you go yeah yeah it was handy good information have and that might be something that would be nice to if you haven't already is make that a public document terese or at town meeting day maybe at town meeting day or you know maybe have some copies that people can have because i think that's really i think we always like to see where we're at compared to other people you know yep i know we've done that exercise for water there a couple years ago um it was really nice to see our tax rate where where we stand with others so yeah it's it's in the packet so the packet is published but i can put it as a link on the website yeah yes we're 18 out of 24 in terms of bill which you know reflects the fact that we're 21st out of 24 in terms of home value so the value being taxed or lower yeah there's for the actual bill as well even though we've got a higher rate great yeah and i i think i mean our budget if you look through it it's it's very futuristic i think we have you know a good balance of the money that's put into funds to to afford future endeavors as well as address our current situations and i think and like terese has done in certain cases you know a little bit of the worst case scenario on a couple of things that we don't really know a hundred percent about so so i think i think it's a really really good budget so i mean i would entertain a motion to amend the budget to include 10 000 extra dollars that we would put under the high-rate rehabilitation item so move second okay all in favor all right all right okay moving back to the budget that's it yeah that's it yeah yeah great job terese thank you i thought it was a good one well it's a group effort i appreciate you guys looking through it i bought muffins for the everybody at the town office today and you weren't there ah dang i'm sorry i know and it's just was just pay i'm in detree yes so now i yeah something going on i wasn't i'm like i'm not spreading anything and uh i was i'm gonna stay home today there is something going around because my mom's been sick for like three or four days five four days now and she's taken the covid test twice and they've been negative and some nasty real nasty thing going around yeah i have taken two covid tests also been negative and uh but yeah definitely something i was i'm pretty much late on my couch all christmas i did not feel well enough plus it's we have such a small office you don't want to spread anything that time of year where we all we're all going to be sick for the next couple of months yeah no doubt um so the um vermont state revolving loan fund yep that is the what we've been talking about we had i had encouraged you to go to full design on phase two of the water project and that's we have um so what happens is you get the five percent for you zero five percent five years zero percent and they will will wrap it into our next bond that we do when we do the phase two and the reason that i had pushed to go to full design was because of money coming down the pike we were going to get a new president and you're never sure if they're going to have like air of money or do some forgiveness so we wanted to be in a good position and we are over 60 design we may be in the 70 percent or higher design tim was reviewing plans last week um for aldrich and elliott and we'll have a meeting in the next couple of weeks so so this is uh we had already known about this and um the good news is once we sign this paperwork i can get reimbursed from first expenses that we've paid that i haven't been able to get back yet um i think i think it makes a lot of sense especially right now where there's an extra $1.7 billion coming to vermont and i think i think if you have shovel ready projects yeah then you're going to be more likely to collect that and i think we're sitting in a good position again yeah as a town to well i think in a way in a lucky position because this is stuff that we need to do um but i think we're sitting in a good position right now where we can take available some of these funds and i have to come completely out of the uh yeah pockets i absolutely so the paperwork was that in the regular packet that's in the yeah so i see the bridge paperwork here isn't a separate binder yeah and the loan should be in there as well it's that one's in the other one it was should have been in that bag you had two packets oh this is the bridge one okay then you had like i'll say like the normal select yeah the loan should be in that one that you're holding okay so what we can do is if um so chris and uh dav and gene will sign and then paul can swing by the office later this week and sign it so we need a motion to approve this revolving rule yes i was checking to see do we all sign it there's several pages there chris some are just the treasurer some are all of you and some are you alone so there could be as many as four places to sign many places for us i think just one two and what i'm seeing i think this one that's two at least yeah i see yeah i think these two it is there one for just you to sign yeah very the first one in uh was just the chair of the board yeah chair of the governing body yep yep okay and then there's some in there for pam to sign yep okay so just so move okay all in favor hi i don't know if these are going back in in the right order that's okay you know how long treas it will be until we were able if available to put this out on the street but what on the street this next phase of the water piece oh it looks like we're our goal was next summer so to do have a construction season not this summer but the summer after so we were hoping to be able to put out the documents you know this winter so we would bid it bid the next next off season yeah okay yep so we're about a year away yes that's what you're okay and from what i understand i don't even think uh from what i hear that any of that state money is really going to be available until late next fall at the earliest yeah that's what yeah and we just you know like we want to put anybody through another construction season right now like a band-aid just get it all done at the same time right that's right that's right and so this covers what sand hill crystal drive yes isentennial island gram yes and i still have not given up hope on bernie slash lehi because i'm still in the running don't you forget for the earmark so uh holding your breath well bernie couldn't bernie couldn't quite get it done so he reached out to lehi so lehi did something i figure it's piddly once they tack it on to one of those big bills what's what's three three hundred six hundred grand a little old baffle you know for the fed so i don't know two trillion dollars i mean we can slide one in there yeah who's going to notice so we'll see i haven't been booted out yet so i'm still keeping my fingers crossed all right i was just putting these back in i'm assuming that i did it right but they're in there oh it's fine thank you all right next we had the uh discussion regards to the historic bridge yes so i think there's some pictures in that packet but i took a look and this was a bridge on on um oh god what'd i say right road oh east methyl thank you yes yes thank you gene um and that cold medicine is kicking in so uh anyway so i took a look at there's some pictures i think in that in that bag chris these aren't going to scan well they were really dark and i showed them to chris and their the thing is in really rough shape it was when it got stored and apparently when they took it down it was part of this agreement that a contractor would hang on to it and then i got a letter from the state saying hey you know this is what this thing looks like you want to get rid of it i wouldn't even begin to know what to do with it so um we don't have a place for it we don't have a project for it it just makes sense to let it go so typically on these historic bridges they'll save either the whole entire bridge or pieces of the bridge for one of two things either to use as i don't want to say parts but to use as pieces for existing infrastructure or to rehab the bridge entirely and put it back into place somewhere else and i think right now the state's saying you know the structure that you have they're really this one here they're they've exhausted the possibilities of using it and now it's just sitting there the state's what the state's paying rental fee to have it stored yeah we are at this point they just want to i guess just you know release the ownership of the bridge yeah and i'm not sure chris there might have i think i put pictures in that bag right next to you but maybe not um do so do we have any rights to the bridge when it comes to you know the contractor that has it scrapping it for steel do we get no i think that revenues from that no i think it goes to the state because they've the ones who've been paying storage on it i've looked through the agreement and i made some note about that so no once we we let it go they're gonna stop paying rent on it and uh made the probably my guess would be they they're smart they're gonna negotiate a deal with the contractor and they'll the contractor will get the steel price and right but no we don't have any i looked at the agreement that i put in your packet it doesn't really make any sense to hold up somebody's yard over it and it was in pretty rough shape yeah it doesn't look like it's stored outside so it's not like it's been under cover for the last how many of our years right so it's a newbie on the select board alphabet soup what is m o a memorandum of agreement thank you you are welcome i'm sorry i should have spelled that out no i can ask that's the bridge i hit the truck was already a piece of crap when i took it down why we kept it i think in some of those cases they the state requires certain age structures to be held for a period of time and this must have been whatever qualified for the historic bridge program so i guess i've never had seen it so when the gentleman reached out to me from the state i was like what i have to look and see what bridge he was talking about and figure it out i had never heard of it so um but anyways so that's what is needed from us is there a is there a signature piece or no or just a motion to allow no i think there's a signature piece let me float through the packet i feel like you guys had to sign something i didn't see anything the only thing i saw at the end is the signature of the original hang on i'm looking how long is it can we use it for panellope yeah that's a rough shape that's a question you can but i wouldn't drive across it do we get a duct tape it and use it for panellope it says um town of Bethel at the bottom so you could just make a motion have Chris sign it since he's sitting there yeah i don't i haven't found the signature spot oh from the trend yeah i must not have been in this packet the second package it's the one labeled bridge stuff yeah was it wasn't it wasn't included in the one that you had set aside here but i have it in my original okay thanks yeah so i just know of the cover letter yeah he found it all right so just just need a motion to uh for the termination of the 1998 historic bridge program agreement in moa to allow the disposal of bridge number four randolph center road in east Bethel second okay all in favor bye and regional emergency management committee appointment that was pretty self-explanatory new statute i'm automatically appointed uh dave used to be a representative to go to the meetings too i asked him if he'd be interested in being the second he said he would so just have to let two rivers know i think the only stickler um teres i'm looking at that just a um a formality thing is i know we in the past have asked for some way to write a letter stating that they do want to do what they're being assigned to because we and only reason i say as we have had issues in the past where we put somebody on something and find out that they didn't want to do that so yeah well this is new to us because the statute just changed so i did dave aldergetti and asked him since he was be doing me a favor or all of us a favor and uh i had called him and or i forwarded an email and then we exchanged emails and i talked to him about it um but yeah it's a new it's nothing we've done before so um i'm not sure there's as much interest in doing it as he's kind of fell obligated as the fire chief so but anyways so that's how it came about then of course they put a deadline on it so they need it by like the first or something so was that gene motion yet and dave second yet okay all in favor hi hi okay and bethel royalton transfer station budget so normally i went back and read the interlocal agreement and it's like the brts board passes the budget or adopts the budget and then as a seemingly just a formality royalton and bethel also approve it so i just put it but i did have some questions regarding so well i'll tell you i'm not going to be able to answer anything except the salaries and retirement stuff everything else they did um i just gave them some numbers based on jen's request i had noticed that they had set aside some money and in this case i think the prior year it was like 10 000 or 15 000 they put 40 in it this year for i think what they call capital funds sure you know if gave established a a schedule of capital fund improvements that they need to do there no they haven't yet i had a conversation with jerry and before because you need to have 20 000 at least 20 000 set aside and per the state requirement your license for the transfer station in case the transfer station closed jen felt that that estimate of 20 000 is low because if you had a bunch of you know containers to be hauled off etc so um but when i talked to jerry i had suggested that at their next meeting that they establish a capital fund for buildings and or equipment or separate the money and he said that they were interested in doing that asked me about the finances i told them it would be no problem and he said they were gonna that that was their plan because they knew they had equipment issues and building issues um but they had not yet as of my last conversation with jerry established a specific fund but god knows they have more than 40 000 in need uh so i thought it was good that they put more in it well yeah i mean that was my question it was you know i i think we all know that there's you know a half a dozen or so things on the grounds that need to be improved upon here whatever in the next one to 10 years um in you know his 40 000 right number like i don't even know you know should be more should be less and and even though the budget you know even though the way they put this budget together is is a balanced budget you know if you go through and you look through their current budget versus this new budget you know the likelihood is this budget is going to carry a surplus from the looks of it you know if you compare what they're currently in this year they're on pace for like a surplus of over 100 000 and i know they're just making the revenues equal the costs or vice versa but it seems as though that if things progress the same way next year in this budget they'll probably have the same type of surplus so i didn't know if should they be putting more money away or are they going to use that as an undesignated fund so they don't have to borrow money you know what's the rationale behind behind that um yeah jerry did not mention undesignated fund he said they were gonna you know specifically use it for equipment and our building maintenance but have they they haven't set up a schedule yet no and then they had 24 000 dollars in there for a new piece of equipment do you know what that is dave uh where what line is that i don't know well it's um 47 44 yeah point zero the honestly i don't know what that number is well i'm sure we talked about i don't have my notes from that meeting um and then i would assume from looking at what what was budgeted in the last budget versus the current actual tracing and then the new proposed that the wage increase that they have in there are they going to add like an extra person there is that what they were planning on we went to the we went with a uh uh recommended by jen of uh uh across the board additional increase for our employees okay because i was trying to figure out that how that fits because we're limley is the limley is the phrase uh livable wage yes and and the uh i think also in that in our breakdown was she had budgeted for more than she is being paid because she doesn't believe we're going to find a new uh replacement replacement for the money we're paying her so i think she put in 70 000 budget for that position and then this this piece here has the 22 percent retirement in it so it did because i didn't know at the time when they approved because they're supposed to do their budget in october so i didn't know at the time so they'll have some savings coming out of the gate in retirement or or if they do have to pay somebody more salary they'll be able to negotiate you know they'll have a little bit more money in the um in the budget um a little bit more money in the budget to deal with it so so there's going to be an increase in fees um how how how is that going to you know what are the new fees going to be they actually weren't budgeting an increase in fees um that i was aware of i think Dave okay i thought they were okay when jen we have we have numbers over the last year and due to the new fees and the increase of volume we actually were going to start with uh 100 we were going to one million dollars was our goal the number we want to use for a uh proposed revenue for fees and even if nothing changed if something changed a little bit we still are projecting possibly a 1.4 so we budgeted for we went from 1 million to 1.1 to try to make it little more realistic but without being too crazy about it the numbers looked really good i don't it's just there's still numbers on a paper uh the code if the pandemic whatever you are epidemic or whatever you want to call it now gets over people stop cleaning out their garage and their basements and stuff and that's not all that's happening there's a lot of construction a lot of stuff going on in scale it also looks like you're being reimbursed for recyclables right now at a higher rate than we had budgeted to we're stealing we're doing okay with steal but actual the other recycles are costing me yeah i mean other than i don't know really really what what there is for us to do with this budget i mean nothing really i'm not sure what you know because they've already approved it and then i'm sure roilton they may have already approved it or they'll approve it tomorrow night i don't know what their schedule is yeah three of three of their five select board members are on them yeah that's a good point right i think it's approved yeah i mean i guess the only suggestion i would have to the to them there is they you know they really need to come up with a capital improvement schedule so that you can see that you know what your cost is going to be and and how this revenue or or 40 000 proposed how that fits into that that's something to be talked about it's actually myself and tim murphy are supposed to be working on we really don't have a cut and drive list of what's wrong it needs to be fixed you know the building well what about the the scales well what about the scales so we've got a big deeper into what's wrong what's it going to cost to fix and then we can make this capital plan we're it's getting better but it was kind of way behind yeah he's right so right now it seems like the 40 000 that you guys have thrown in there is kind of a placeholder yeah throw a chunk of money in there and see i think we could easily spend that on the building oh you probably spend that on the scales and the scales is where we make our money so that's where i know yeah oh as the money goes first okay so i guess um we just need a motion to approve the transfer station budget for 2022 2023 i'll make a motion okay motion from Dave we have a second second okay gene beat you do it paul so gene second at home favor what happens you're not present paul i don't know you're getting beat tonight yeah okay uh baffle historical society request for the coin drop we had that application in our packet they're proposing that for may yeah i think the motion is laid out there i think that you need to make sure that they you'll prove it with a proper traffic plan and and insurance proof of insurance yep so we just need a motion to accept um to allow the baffle historical society to have coin drop on may 21st 2022 and with that approval comes that they will provide the proper traffic plan and proof of insurance so moved all right paul did paul say something yes okay moved by paul second second by gene simmer down there paul getting too far ahead of yourself all in favor all right all right okay and we already took care of scouts so town manager report anything that uh we haven't covered therese um i don't think so but let me just flip back hang on i gotta scroll backwards uh uh yeah oh um so i did mention briefly that there is uh that i'm working with brian right and um to figure out the original layout of right road and i had a conversation with richard wanna and who's a surveyor who surveyed um brian's property who has very good reputation and i god did talk to derrick right and let him know that you know brian wants to subdivide more he already had subdivided he wants to subdivide more and then in do some work on right road we need to figure out the layout and i did explain to rick for him and bev's sake that you know uh brian wants to bring power up there so he's working with gmp to do that and he wants to improve the road so it's only going to increase the value of rick and bev's land and rick was not opposed he just wants to be in on the discussion and i did tell him as soon as i um had spoken to richard lana and found the deeds that he referenced in his survey that i would reach out to him and and see so i'm hoping that when i spoke to mr lana he had directed me to a couple of volumes so i need to get into the land records and pull those and he said he would look and see what he had for information as well because i had had gene bernum look one day she was in i can't find the original survey of the road in one of the road books but mr lana um felt that it was in a different book that i hadn't looked in yet so we're so we're in the preliminary doing that obviously having fema meetings uh about panello bridge and we just i just had a meeting uh i don't know thursday with vhb the engineering contractor and the state somebody from the state and it looks it's a lot to go through fema i'm not sure we're gonna be moving that bridge we're talking about putting it in right back where we had it just going higher uh just to keep the cost down so um i'll keep you apprised of that and then obviously just working on town meeting and or town meeting town report um to get that ready do you know or can you find out for us what a cost to survey you know like right road or those yeah how much they are so we can have that conversation and yeah i'm hoping it doesn't come to that but um but i will ask mr lana um if if we need to i ballpark what what that cost yeah because he'd surveyed one side of the road already so which was great so i'm hoping that when i pull the deeds i'm gonna find the information that we need so we'll see but i'll keep you in the loop okay and then like i'd said to you i think and we're not we need to wait for the legislature to go in session so we will have more information on what your options are going to be about australian ballot or how to run or what we're doing at town meeting until the legislature goes into session excuse me i don't know the answer i don't i don't even know what our options are yet all's we know is that supposedly that's the first business they're supposed to pick up i think i put a little information in your packet and as soon as i find out um we'll talk about it typically you have to go to print by what mid january yeah i think the end of yeah mid 10 to january yeah so we'll know they they'll really we got like the the next meeting yeah and if we don't know by then then it's business as usual right yeah i you know i'm hoping that i don't know what day they're going into session so but obviously they know it's the first week in january yeah and they know the statute and they know the statutes as well as we do they know that there's a time crunch and what they need to do so um so i'm hoping so right now we're we're kind of in a holding pattern um but at least now that you've approved the budget i can finish up you know that part of the warning so and it just depends on what the wording is of the rules that they pass to so until we know what they're up to i can't advise you i mean i would assume at this point that they will pass that oh i would probably be a pencil-lipping exercise for them one day one yeah so then i think we have to as a board prepare to have a discussion again in regards to the warning yeah because at that point it wouldn't make it wouldn't be fair to well default to australian ballot due to covid reasons and then vote for australian ballot through australian ballot for the future right and i don't even know currently you know we have to reread the i had read the law currently the way it was worded and then i sent an email to vlct to see what their interpretation of the current law is because normally when you vote from the floor like you do um if you were going to go to australian ballot you have to vote from the floor to approve that so i i have the email out to vlct asking them about the law that's in place now and then we will wait and see what the law is or what the rule is going to be that the legislature passes so at this point um we need an interpretation of the current statute and we need to wait and see what the legislature is going to do so they may want to just have a placeholder on the 10th meeting to have a discussion on it if they don't pass anything then we can just you know access it and if they do then we can have a discussion on it yeah exactly does anything that's on the on the warning then automatically get on the ballot yes go to an australian ballot uh situation yep that's all items all items on the warning would automatically go to a on a ballot right just like last year yes yeah well because beth'll consider rescheduling for a different time and i don't know what the ramifications are but um a bright sunny day and may or even june might yeah we you know what we don't know what the options are going to be for sure what the legislatures are going to pass so we don't know yet but what we um but what you have to keep in mind is if your budget didn't pass you don't want to go too late because you need a budget to start july 1 so that's something to keep in mind i know uh brookfield rescheduled from march to may um i don't know what their turnout happened to be but um i know so it'll be something to talk about at the next meeting for sure okay i just want to clamp the seed and not to chase the rabbit down the hole but if we didn't pass a budget in time we would default back to the current budget correct i believe that's true that's not like the end of the world but hey never had to do that though not chase the rabbit but yeah so okay well we'll cross that bridge when we get to it but you may want to just placeholder it for the 10th and we can have the discussion and with whatever information we get at that point so um and then means we're just talking about so the january meetings i have a personal conflict at both meetings so and i'm willing to do whatever whatever the board wants to do i can either either somebody else run the meetings on on the 10th and the 24th and i could just i'll probably show up about 45 minutes late or we could start those meetings like a half an hour later um and i'll try to like split my personal thing with here um i'll leave that early and come here um slightly later so like whatever the board wants to do on that if you want to keep the meeting the same and someone run it and i'll just come in late or push it back to like 6 30 for january next 30s final day i would prefer a later start i'm going to that final that as long as threes keeps the list down so we don't go too late oh yeah all right six 30 sounds good thank you we had the select board meeting minutes from the 13th anybody have any anything on those i have a couple of things um in the budget discussion area there's a comment about christ christ's plan was to put two percent into the capital roads and i don't think we talked about doing doing the increase in that kind of a format down at the bottom of the first yeah we he had said he'd like to see it go into capital funds maybe roads because we were still behind i think it was part of a conversation they had had but i could just change it so it says that he wanted to put it in well it's just a two percent number i don't know if we were okay meeting i think we had talked about that time that we were talking about a total budget of two percent increase right right i think at that time we were what sitting at one so we were going to add another one percent right and we had talked about taking that extra and putting that into the capital funds yeah i believe that makes sense yeah yeah that was before the final numbers you know we're we're in yeah and any other thing just for a general comment therese do you look at the draft minutes before they go to the herald i don't know where she gets the minutes from the herald i've only spoken to the lady once so i don't know i'm assuming she gets them off from our website but i don't know unless um i'm just wondering because julie do you send them to her julie directly in case you didn't hear she said no okay so they must get them off the website paul i don't know i've only spoken to the herald person one time well i know i i just you know i see him in a you know it says in the the report in the herald that they're taken from draft minutes of the select board meeting but if there are any you know any things that need to be corrected and whatnot sometimes it leads to a misconception or or an error in you know it could be something simple but i'm wondering if those are the best to be put out i know they have to be put out when there's a certain number of days after the meeting but i wonder if we need to you know look at them a little closer before they go out there and some of the committees too i see you know some of the committees have their minutes in the in the herald too and i don't know if we need to reveal it's hard because we have to i put them out i edit them julie sends them to me i edit them i put them out as a draft after i've gone through them so if there's any corrections that you guys make at the next meeting you know you do but by then it's two weeks out so and she does and whoever the person is in the herald doesn't call me to clarify anything right like in the herald for example they talked about repainting the town hall as opposed to repointing the town hall so i don't know how you know things like that you know kind of happen yeah if we have any more things that that statute about the minutes being available within five days yeah it's draft minutes it's exactly yeah yeah number two number two the editor at the newspaper is not obligated to report anything exactly as he reads it he is allowed to play games with the sentences in the words i know this because i get to this on the school board all the time do they have something in there that says that these are unapproved or unedited at the end of something like that these these are this article is taken from draft minutes of the select board mean that's the disclaimer at the very end of the article you're not going to change that yeah which draft would mean different to you guys right sure maybe you know the minutes oh for us to put something in the minute saying that these minutes are are unapproved minutes as of this date or something like that that sound something along the lines of you know really the only true place that someone can go to look and see what happens at a select board mean directly is to look at the orca video of the meeting so maybe some kind of a disclaimer that leads people to look at the orca video um i don't know maybe we're getting a little too far off the bed the path here but can you uh trees can you put the other minutes or whoever puts it on the web page website can you put the water the draft watermark on it sure yep that way there it is and then at some point down the road once they've been removed they can be that can be removed and i don't think there's an issue with probably as well following up with some sort of disclaimer on the bottom of the last page that says you know that these are draft minutes you know as of this date you know to be approved at the next meeting um or a full unedited version is available at orca media or something like that you know um our having said all that does not make it appear in the paper um i just yeah which is what they said earlier uh they have a callus that is based on draft minutes i don't think that we all know that they are draft minutes but if it if it said that on the on the document online that would help others who might be looking at that as well so appreciate the comment or like dave said just put the draft water stamp on it i would just like to see us lead people more towards the orca um video because that's the really the true most comprehensive record yeah yeah that's a good idea okay thank you so other than that just need a motion to accept the meeting minutes of the 13th as amended so move second okay all in favor like hi um and then we did have um some other communications in there d rb board um and then i guess one i wanted to briefly just make sure everybody had a chance to look at it if you haven't is the class four road committee piece of it um you know they really put a lot of time into some of the well probably a lot of the class four roads are pretty challenging in the town but you know a couple of the hot button ones right now and it's probably something i know we're going to have to probably talk about a little bit more in in depth here on meetings to come on you know what what do we want to do or how do we want to see a framework on these class four roads and i know for so long it's you know for the most part it's class four roads or class four roads and we we do the the absolute bare minimum on it and we don't want to be held to a certain standard on the road but it's becoming seems like it's becoming more and more uh a talking point on some of these roads that you know like david talked about before that have been graded no gravel i mean you're basically grade and ledge and um you know so i don't want to say put a policy together but maybe we should have some sort of understanding in the town on what we're going to do on these or not do it at a minimum we don't know where they are you know or or more like some of these that we may have some surveying issues or you know we don't know where they are so it's definitely probably something that we should put on our radar here for you know right after town meeting day probably pick up that discussion on on fourth class roads and not just where do we go forward but some of these that i would say and i think caron and his committee did a really good job of pointing out that it's not necessarily an issue that just impacts this certain road these are issues that impact that they are seeing on almost all of these fourth class roads um so how to deal with these and i know it doesn't affect as many people um but it does affect people that you know that do pay taxes as much as we do so but i thought he did a really good job of doing that and we may even want to have you know represented for fourth class roads come in terryson yeah that's what i just put in my notes was have them come in march and invite the class four road committee and and put in the current policy on class four roads in your packet as well so yeah that makes sense uh how long till they have or are they planning to visit all all of the sectors of the town with class four roads um i think that they have i think that they're focusing on the map that was done and it shows sections that they're unsure of where they are because after ancient roads that kind of answered a bunch of questions about some roads so i think after that they've been trying to focus on segments that were not addressed during the um ancient roads program which was several years ago but they're trying to do and it's going to take them a while years to get through everything i think from what carl was saying yeah of course now you have you know you had the ancient roads that went away or got changed to fourth class roads there i don't know five six years seven years ago and but now you also have the what we call the class three roads that are not up to standards which kind of are fourth class roads right and and and in the state guidelines we have to i think what was it 10 or 15 percent that they look a year for us to any of these roads that are identified as not up to standards that we have yeah i think that was it 15 of those a year we need to be getting them to standards and i talked to rita about that at two rivers and she said it's not as daunting as you think because once we grade roads and obviously if we do um when we take advantage of these grants that we that we've been getting to do like hooper hollow the next one we're actually going to do as a part of right road we've done different things so every time you do that do a culvert replacement it it it goes towards that 15 percent but i think the other thing too is we we have classifications out there that need to be re-looked at right you know like a perfect example was that the gillian class three piece that we had just looked at like you know who would have ever thought that was class three road right so i think there's some of those that we gotta figure out what is the appropriate classification for that road um and i'm sure there's more of them out there like that so maybe maybe it maybe the entire meeting isn't class four maybe it's three and four or gravel roads or something you know the reason for my question was kind of like we just asked with the uh what we've done in other places with capital plans is there a possibility of a master plan for class four roads in terms of this was what needs to be done uh even if it's built over a period of time so rather than we're likely to find this same situation occurs when we go to other sectors this is what we need to do in this section and here's a list of issues that that we might want to address or at least have in some sort of a comprehensive plan that i'm just yes i'm actually working on i have a format now that two rivers went and did all of our road erosion inventory and culvert inventory so i'm actually breaking it down into us tightening the spreadsheet so it's not in segments but in miles and um myself and chris and um ryan slack will look at some so we're certainly looking at that and class four roads will eventually be a part of it yes just going to take us a while to get it all laid out i didn't expect this to happen yesterday no i was just wondering if that was possible goal to have something like this yes absolutely and and we need to i agree oh i wrote down dave you didn't get a chance when we're talking the brts stuff you didn't have a chance to talk about the interlocal agreement question we're going i'm jerry reached out to me and asked me uh if we could have a sit down talk about what transpired and why he got the letter and i think personally if you read the letter that three sent to their chair uh pretty clear that we just want to look at relook at the interlocal agreement so i'm going to sit down with jerry tomorrow just face to face telling that and we'll see about i'll have to think i'm going to direct him to have chris get with either chris or terese and set up a probably a meeting i'm thinking maybe even as late as april may because i think we need that we need as a select board to decide what we want to do i don't think we know exactly what we want to do if we're going to stay how do we want to change the agreement and if we're playing not going to stay then okay we're not gonna stay but i don't think we made that final sit i think you're right dave i think that you're totally right that basically we had to do it as a placeholder and because you are at a time constraint so you're either going to amend the agreement dissolve the agreement whatever it is you're gonna do you're right we just had to do it as a placeholder to start the clock ticking so i do think that we should either talk about at the next meeting or possibly even a special hour-long meeting just about that one topic for you guys in executive session for you to all figure out what it is exactly that you do want to do um so but i agree with dave that it was just really you had to do something to get or else the agreement would automatically renew but i i think you know and correct me if i'm wrong but you know i guess the way i interpreted our vote was is at least at this point is the board doesn't necessarily know what we want to do with the interlocal agreement other than we agree that that the town of bevel shouldn't be a part of or shouldn't be in the trash business you know and i know we had laid out some other options with roilton um february march or whatever it is when we went through that with them with potential of uh you know buddy enough with the solid waste contractor or some other different options that we want to explore that they then didn't want to explore so um i mean i guess that's kind of the way i had interpreted is that we're saying listen we really shouldn't be in this business how can we better serve this for our communities you know is this looking for a professional to come in to run it or you know but if roilton has it set in stone that they want to keep the business then we're probably going to be looking at dissolving you agree that agreement and in a way or another um i get the feeling that they they think that it's viable for it to be managed locally and that's the other point i'm going to reference is we i i felt quite comfortable being able to say that we do not believe that we should be in the trash business as you said so that's what i'm going to talk tomorrow and but we need to sit down and talk about it yeah you know and i think the the biggest thing is getting the the two sides together but i do agree that we need to and as far as therese's letter i think that's the big deal the fact that we had to get something going before january one we wouldn't be able to do it for another year i mean i know of late short term of late numbers wise have looked good there but you know no long-term fixes have happened um we get you know two three things come two three things coming up down there that are going to be a pain we're losing our manager um nobody is out there that anybody see that's interested in that job we already are down one employee they've had it in the paper and they've gotten no response we have another gentleman who's getting closer to retirement so we're going to be down two employees yeah you know i i don't i don't see us doing it just don't see us being able to manage it would you guys be willing to do a special meeting of just just an inner just an executive session of the select board to talk about this issue for like set aside like an hour an hour and a half just that that way we don't tack this on to a regular board meeting yeah i think it's important that we get together and talk about it as a board as opposed to individuals i i think you know it's a big decision that has to be made and we talked about possibly having one you know representative from each board maybe sit down negotiate but i think that the first thing to do is to clarify each town's position uh in this you know whether or not we're going to try to renegotiate or whether you're just going to walk away or whatever it happens to be so i think it's worth having that special meeting okay i'll look at the schedule and put something out in an email to see what we can um agree to i agree yeah and i think you know i think from when we us five have met in the past we seem to be pretty pretty on board together on the overall outcome maybe not all the fine details how we get there but i know a lot of our meetings typically terese in and around town meeting day either leading up to or just after those meetings board meetings aren't usually terribly busy um other than you might have you know the last reading of the budget um and then right after town meeting usually you don't have anything too big other than you know tens of appointments you know appointing people but usually our shorter meetings if we wanted to like you know throw an hour out there to go into executive session to talk about sooner rather than later yeah well i'm just wondering you know you have town meeting day who knows if the board looks different you know you know it's an opportunity to get whoever if there is a new person on the board to get that person up to speed because if you have one before and then you have changing you know board members then you're you know you're kind of back to square one so you want to wait then chris and put it on the agenda closer to or after instead of doing a special meeting you want to wait oh i'm just throwing out there i mean i know you know our lives are all busy and yeah we'll see yeah i'll take a look and see what the upcoming schedules i know january the next one is you have two appointments next time equity and inclusion and the tape take tateros taterals towards the end of february or something and other than we'll have a budget read-off meeting which i can't really see there being a whole lot of questions in regards to budget no we may end up having to have some zoom informational meetings if the things go in that direction yeah just like last year yeah we'll see what happens right well i guess if it's you know for convenient factor i mean could we always trice schedule a executive session zoom meeting yeah absolutely i mean would that work with the board if we had to make a special meeting but at least we don't have to travel down we could do it from home and yeah okay we could talk to linley when she gets back and see what she thinks about yeah he's always good for a zoom meeting so i'll talk about okay i just i just think we should move expeditiously uh yes there will be a transition to both the new but actually whatever that looks like if you have too many board members you're really pushing that way out more so than if you if we could come to some sort of consensus before down meeting we have five people that are informed maybe the other two would watch something different i mean at least we'd be talking five five people talking that have been to the around the know what we're talking about right and sometimes that has uh yeah i think once we get together and have our discussion i think i think we'll come to agreement on a lot of things pretty quickly i think you're right the time consuming things that we decided to solve whatever is doing that negotiation thing or making a decision of how we want to negotiate it right what do we want whatever we're willing to give up most things we're going to take sure absolutely any further any other business come before the board before we we're going to go into executive session to talk about the dedication of the town meeting day nope okay just need a motion to enter executive session okay moved by dave second second by paul all right um so how will we do that trees for executive session you and paul are on zune can you make it can you walk it nobody else can log in or well so far and i think if i can boot out orca media i'll be all set i don't know if maybe orca can just sign out yeah yeah very good thank you