 May 12th, 2014, got a couple items in a short meeting because of town meeting tonight at 8 o'clock. So the first order of business is the Environmental Design Review hearing to reopen a special permit for 125 Broadway Eli service station. So we're going to open that hearing up right now. I'll ask the applicant to come on forward. Thanks. And maybe you, yeah, sure, sit on down and just introduce yourself. My name is Eli, I'm from the Broadway 125 Broadway Eli service station. Okay, great. And maybe you can walk us through your presentation. Okay, my application, I'm asking to Fort DeKalb, the building above my garage doors and the gas pumps and also the canopy above the gas pumps. Let's start with the gas pump from the now, pass it over. And I think we've got some, what's it looks before and after. Okay, so we have it just right now. We've got, we don't have to before and after. This is before and after. That's the gas pump. Just make it nice and clean. Also, this is the canopy. Okay. And when I was looking at that, I was wondering, so this is out front, this one? This is up front, this is side. Okay, does that go over here? I'm here, right? Yeah, the logo will be up here. Okay. On the side, okay. And then on the side, that will finish up on the side. And only once, the logo? Or on each side? On each side. But not on all four? No, okay, no. There used to be a typical logo's in there and the decals was there before. I just paint over them. This is, this is the picturesque recently, I just did it yesterday. So when I bought the place six years ago, it wasn't enough. You went for the Citco? Yeah, yeah. I just paint over it and I walked in myself through, after six years later, I just said to make something nice and make it look more presentable and clean. And Citco had it on both ends? Oh, yeah. And here for the building or not, yeah. This is what it looks like. And this is, this is what's existing right now. I think we have that one. Yeah, we have this one. Okay. Before nothing. Okay. Lots of the signs was there on the building. This is there where we completely was one sign on the banners on the fence and this was also, we get rid of that. You're talking about these guys here? Oh yeah, those all gone. Yeah. We're going to go spend all the kind of money to make it look nice and presentable and make it look real. The marble is still there? Yeah. That'll be fine. That'll be fine. That'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah, we'll get rid of it. We'll get rid of it. And I think the last picture we have is the standalone. So the standalone is also changing? Yeah. No, no, it's not changing. If you allowed me, I would love to, but there's a neon and LED, but I'm not allowed enough. Yeah, you can. Yeah, exactly. I'm not going to. Okay, so that's just staying as is. As is. Okay. Just the canopy, the pumps in the building to be held up off to the garage. I just want to be sure that you may not be aware of this and the board may not be aware of this, but some of the signers that's on was not presented or approved before you acquired the service station. Is that stuff in there? It doesn't appear that the canopy signage was ever approved or the gas pumps. That's, um, I have a special permit if you need it. So whatever you approve, we should make sure to memorialize this time. Okay. I'll go around. Okay. So I have always loved this sign. I think that's a big sign. So I'm glad you're not changing that. No, no, no. That's why we got up. Yeah, I think that's a good sign that the pumps, it looks like you're simplifying what's on the pumps, which is good because the pumps are really busy. So you're making it simpler. Correct. I don't know if a local is usually allowed on the pumps going out. It doesn't really state it clearly in the zoning in the bylaw. It talks about that. What's allowed by state law? I think that's what. Yeah. What you had put in the type of gas, the price of gas, the name of the gas. The law. I operate in the city of Charlottesville and the city of Charlottesville make us put the logos on the pumps so the customers know what brand this guy is. So that's why you have the Eli's on the pump. And I think one Eli's is enough. Now this is on both sides of the pump too, right? Correct. Because we dispense the gasoline on both sides. The canopy. We just approved a gas station. Were we allowed the canopy? This is not lit, right? No. It's not lit. So it's adding a border of red and it has your logo on both ends. It's not any larger than what we just approved, I don't think. What gas station was that? That was the show. That was the show. Yeah. Now the building, it says clearly 40 square feet. Do you know what size you have on the building right now? What height this is? And what length you have? Because I think we'd have to consider this whole thing a sign, right? Because of the color. Of course, when we just consider the letters and the logos, that's kind of a gray area too. You know, you could paint, right? Yeah, that's why. So the background is just paint? That's the way I envision it. Okay. So the background is just paint, as far as comparing it to what's there now. What's over there now is a paint, but it's a wrap. It may be a wrap or a sign, but it functions a lot like paint. It's sort of achieved the same end by painting the side of the building. It might not be as glossy, but I don't know. I think it's a gray area where you could say is it part of the sign? I think it's tasteful. You know, ties in with the pumps that ties in with your large freestanding sign. I was going to object to the fence signs, but I saw they were down, so that's good, because that's a lot of signage then. There are signs on the buildings, but I think that's pretty typical also. The oil change, the state inspection, the computer diagnostic sign. Thank you. Yeah, so I don't... If you're going to drop the LED display, which isn't allowed. Yeah, I think it's pretty much conforming with what is there now, and it's making it better, actually. I always try to do clean, drivable, clean cut. I think you're doing a nice job doing that. I live down past you, so I go past your gas station. I should stop. I'll echo a lot of what Christina said. I think that the new design on the pumps is cleaner than what you had before. I think that's a good step in the right direction. With respect to the name on the pump itself, I think in past special permits, if I remember correctly, on the gulf station at the corner of Summer Street, that has the name of the gasoline on the pump, and you're independent. You're not selling gulf or shell. I have to present what brand we... Having Eli's service station on the gas pump, I think it's fine. Canopy seems to be fine. I am a little concerned about some of it, and maybe some of these are gone. In this picture, existing conditions for porters, auto sales, and the various other... Those all gone on the glass. Those are all gone? Yes. All those decals are gone. Because that really does clean it up quite a bit. Plus, for a non-accessory signage, you have to say that you're selling all of those products on site. My guess is you're probably... How much porter auto sales actually happens on site? He only has two cars on site. Just to sell. Sometimes he doesn't have anything. Sometimes two cars. I only allowed him to park two cars. Yeah, because in order for that sign to be legal, the business activity really has to be taking place... It is licensed from the South Carolina on site. For porters, it does use that. I don't do it myself. On the side it's gone? Okay. And I gave him a lease to continue just so... I used a space just to sell two cars. Okay. I had the same concern that Christine had about the banners or the other signage that's on the fence. Those are gone. That's good. And I can kind of... I think I can live with the size of the... of the wrap on the front of the building. Typically we only allow one state inspection notice sign, and technically you have two, I think, because you've got one on the wall of the service station, as well as underneath the gas price on the pilot. So I'm trying to think of that... It's not really a wayfinding sign where you... It is. It's directing people to which bay they need to go to for inspections, possibly. The one on the building? Yeah. It would be a little large for a wayfinding sign, but... Well, I mean... Wayfinding. I guess I'm sympathetic just because it has the hours there. Yeah, it does and it has the hours... You're looking at this sign, not this sign. Yeah, you're right. You have to post those. Okay. That makes sense. And this one that's underneath doesn't have the hours and everything? No. This is... We have to... We'll sit on the sign outside. Okay. So he's more between a row and a hard place. I got it. I got it. Okay. That's really the only question that I have. I think it's good. I think it's nice and consistent. It ties the building together. It improves the look there. Any concerns I had about it in the rest? Thank you very much. Yeah, and I think I would also mention... Can I see that picture for us? So for me too, I think that the wraps will be nicer and cleaner in the end and probably wear better than... You know, peeling off paint. Yeah, exactly. So that's why I'm okay with it as well. Is that wrap applied to metal then? And then the metals put up? Yeah, they're going to scrape all the wraps around the canopy. So when they come up with the... The wraps will be nice and steward. But on the building, that's not a wrap then? It is a wrap. Yeah, now there's a wood frame. So they're going to bring the aluminum panels flat and they're going to put the wrap on the aluminum. So it doesn't peel off, it doesn't come off. It won't stick better. Okay. Anything else from the board? What's the lifetime of the wrap like that? How many years or last before it's been applied? Maybe to say in about 10 years. But... I don't know where I feel like that. It's good. But in the paint, they're going to keep... Keep painting. Carol, before I open it up, do you have anything? No, but I would just like for the record, could you spell out two things? Would you mind spelling your last name? Last name? E-L-K-H-A-O-U-L-I. Okay. And would you consider leaving the photographs with me so that I can duplicate them and then return them to you? Those right here? Yes. Okay, thank you. Because we need to... Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. That's all. I have them on my phone, so I don't need them. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. For you. Thanks. I want CBS and developer. Yeah. It's the only time you ever get pictures of all of these days, right? Yeah. Okay, so now I'm going to open it up for a public comment. Yes? Go back to Mr. Chairman Chris Loretty, 56 Adams Street, near Broadway. I guess in general, I don't have a problem with the signs. Just a couple of things to note though. I think you generally don't see signs on gasoline, on canopies in town for a couple reasons. One, the bylaw doesn't specifically allow them any more, as I can see. And I think it was the policy of one of the former planning directors to discourage them going back a number of years. So while there may be some stations that have them, they may have been added over the years, but I don't see them. And if there's anything in this that I object to, it is the sign on the canopy. I think as the planning director mentioned, they hadn't previously been permitted about this gas station. And I think that's consistent with the absence of the provision for them in the bylaw and with the policy of the planning director. But I think the other reason I would argue against them is I'd ask you to consider the location of the site and where those signs would be. And as you drive down Broadway, the freestanding sign is very prominent. It's not like you can't tell that this is Eli's service station, whether you're coming from the east or from the west. And it seems to me that adding that additional signage on the canopy doesn't really serve any purpose except to get the brand out there. And we've been through this before. We've been through it before at various service stations and the Gulf station on Summer Street comes to mind where they seem to want to plaster the name of the gas line brand everywhere. So given also that this is also largely a residential district, the other side of Broadway is all residential. You can see an apartment building in the background of the pictures. I think it's more appropriate to leave off the signage on the canopy as it has been recently. And I think as it has been in most cases. And in terms of the other signage, I think that's appropriate. I would ask to be sure that on the gas pumps themselves it only has the Eli service station once on each side unlike the current pumps where it has it up high and up low. But I can believe that's the plan anyway. So I think that pretty much covers my comments. I appreciate that the Biola does allow you to exceed the number of allowed signs. I would note that before you do that the redevelopment board is supposed to have some written memo or guidance from the planning department to that effect. I'm not sure whether you have that yet or not. That's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from the board or discussion? I know we just did the canopy over at the Shell station. We did. Which was actually lit as well. So from my perspective I don't find this to be too far-fetched. And it is on the side so it's not facing the residents across the street? No, it's facing the Broadway. If you travel on Broadway now or up you've seen it on the side of that. And what's on the side of you? This side is apartments. On the side. What's on the canopy is going to be? No, what's the business or the resident on the side? It's a closed diner. That's the diner. It's a vacant building. So this is actually businesses on the side? Yes, all that strip is all businesses. And this is the housing? Right, this is the apartments, the housing? I think so. I know it's apartments, I can't remember. No, I don't think this is an apartment. I think this is a private. This one's a private. Oh, okay. That is a private, yes. It's right before the Thompson School. Yes, people business with us and they come first. I think it's worth noting about the canopy wrap is that the logo is actually a very small part of it. So I don't really see this as rising to the level of another exceeding the number of signs allowed. It's true. It's a little bit of branding, but the main thing I think is that you get in the color scheme of the canopy. So I think this seems consistent with what we did with Shell. That sort of tucked in the corner. I wonder if it wouldn't work better, though, because you are going to have Eli's, Eli's. If it would work better, Eli's were down here. Or if Eli's was on the front and the back. In fact, you're not going to get very many. Because you are going to have a lot of Eli's very close together. And it's going to be the same thing on the other side. You'll have it right there. Usually on the canopy, on every gas station I own before and every gas station I see, the logo, they will leave it close to the street. The more it's going by back and forth, the more visibility. Yeah, and you have trees on the other side. It's the same as the Shell station. It is consistent with what we just approved. And I don't think it exceeds them. And it's a little different than your sign. It's darker when you look at the two together. Because the background is dark versus light. So it is going to look, see what I'm talking about? Yeah, because it's got the right. I don't object to it. Right. I thought it doesn't exceed. So we're just to be clear. We're looking to approve. The new signage has shown for the gas pump. Correct. The new signage has shown for the canopy. And the new signage has shown for the ramp on the facade of the building. And we're specifically not approving. Right. The LED pricing. And it's approval is conditioned upon the signage on the fence continuing to be removed. As well as the details on the windows. And the details on the windows. Those are just going to be removed. Right. We're just going to reflect it in the actual code environment. Okay. Could you repeat, you said signage has presented for building facade, ramp, gasoline, pump standing sign. Do you want me to put that into the form of a motion at this point? Canopy. And the canopy was the other one. Yeah. Canopy, ramp. And specifically not the LED. And not the fence sign and not the details. Well, yeah, conditioned upon there being no details. I guess they've been removed at this point, but conditioned upon them not reacting. Exactly. And conditioned upon them. Window decal and fence signs. Yeah. And the auto sales. And the port of auto sales. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. Carol got on it. Whatever it is I just said, I'm going to make, I'm going to so move. Thank you. Carol, let me know when you're ready. Okay. Go ahead. All in favor? Aye. Good bye. Okay. Thank you. Congratulations. Nice cleaning it up. Thank you. Good luck. Appreciate it. Okay. Good night. All right. Good night. Take care. Good night. When I first went past this gas station, I thought it was a diner. It's a retro one. It's a retro one. I really like it. Yeah, it's very nice. It's always like that. It's my favorite gas station. It's fine actually. Did you find your gas there? Yeah, really. Yeah. Well, you passed it. Yeah, I'm five times a day. All right. We're ahead of schedule, which is always a nice thing. And so next on the agenda, do I need to close the hearing right now? Sorry. Do I close the hearing? You know, I don't know if I ever officially would close. Well, I, yes. Yes, you should. Okay. So, a motion to close the hearing. Correct? Or no? Can I just do it? Well, I think that you can just close it. Okay. Hereby close the hearing of the environmental design review of 125 Broadway, the reopening of the special permit. Moving on to the next order of business is the Allington 360 update. And Jake, you actually got your name in the agenda, which a lot. No, whether... Is that lately? I'd be excited about that. Sure. It's in there regardless. Okay. Well, thank you. We've been working furiously to wrap up a lot of the details. Approval, making some good progress. Today, we saw that the bus stop has been completed. Oh, really? And the sidewalk was poured today, the last little section where the marketing trailer was for up-right view. So that, that condition is now satisfied. We've been working with the land trusts and the concom on sort of adjusting an integrated plan between the utility corridor going up from that, that location up to up-right views where pro con had to reduce restoration and some landscaping for shelter. And then we had some additional erosion control components that we wanted to put together. So we had sort of, we share the same civil engineer, so we did a civil plan that was essentially the same plan with some slight modifications for some drainage that we think could be done. So that is now done and shaped. There's a little bit of cleanup tomorrow, but for the most part that's in with the additional erosion control pieces too. So what's left is to do some hydro-seed so that the seed can hold and hopefully take and stabilize the slopes in that area. And the tree planting. And then the tree planting and the landscape plan that shelter has for the restoration of the marketing center will then happen and another degree is done. So we're getting there on those fronts. We've done a pretty extensive cleanup of the woods in the open space with trash and debris that have been buried by the snow and blown on both sides over the winter. That's now happened. The seeding started to take hold throughout the project. There's still a couple of areas where there's still some erosion. It needs to be re-loomed and seeded. I believe the landscape person will be on site tomorrow to start addressing those components. We still have improvements to the streets. The Siemens have been contracted and has done the loop detectors at the bottom of Summer Street. So it was tough to get on their schedule. They've been given all of the street optimization, the street light intersection optimization information that we've submitted. They have that. I met with the town engineer this morning about today and he said that Siemens had to add a chip to the sequence so that it had a timer to it so that it could switch in and out of different gears based on peak demand at different times to change it so that's being added and we'll be loaded up on the goal tomorrow. So those components are coming together. We have a problem that was brought to our attention and we've noticed it now where in the low of Bister Park the steep slopes that go down that was an area that was infested with a lot of weed plants based on weeds and in the fall we had cleared those out to kind of get them so that we could even get down to the slope and then we stockpiled those per our management agreement at the bottom and along the slope. But recently we took the root structure where the Japanese knotweed has been sprouting all over the place. It's a problem. We had a man on site today with a certified vendor that can treat knotweed and he's talking about doing a multi-year program with ground scapes. They're the same guy who did the mulch blanket? At some point there were some questions about whether the mulch had brought the knotweed in but he confirmed today that he thought the root structure was already... I guess the roots for those extend 25 to 50 feet underground so it's very difficult to get rid of and he said basically if you kill it you need to keep it in place because if you pull it around the seed spread all over the place and it just grows like crazy. Every part of that plant, if you chop it up every part grows again? Monsters. It's like an alien. So he said that the best way to do it is to get on a program where you let it grow until about June then you cut it down and then you come back in the fall and you treat the stalks. And so he's giving us a proposal to do that. He said it's the most effective thing to do and it's also the most cost-effective way of managing it. So he's going to give us a program that'll be for not just the Japanese knotweed but he saw some bittersweet and some suckle and some other things that are much easier to deal with but should be done kind of comprehensively. So we met with the onsite manager for Jeff from the Department Group and we're integrating that into her management plan so she's been kind of running parallel with that. We also have the update to the forest management plan that is due now that the CR has been done and we're transitioning from the construction phase into more of the operation phase and that is I talked to George Ackerson who did the forest management plan I talked to him today we're meeting on the 30th to have him do a tour and then he's going to give us a proposal for doing the update to the plan itself and I think it's a good time to do it because we'll also see what's happening with the knotweed and we'll have that program that we can consider for his evaluation for matching up with the forest management plan and it's a natural point as we transition from construction into operations for these things to kind of adjust and maintain some consistency to give it. So again, Jeff from the Department Group and the manager there is also kind of running parallel with that as it will become her responsibility on a day-to-day basis for managing that and making sure that it's in the operation budget So we're making some progress there we expect that the report will be coming shortly from George it does sound like he's busy so I'm not getting the turnaround time on the actual report itself I hope that's a concern so we're trying to address that with him when we meet but I don't know exactly what his schedule is it was difficult to get him out to the site but we're going to do that on the 30th and the others are welcome to join if they would like to join So other updates the thermal taping of the roads those roads are scheduled notices went out today time manager I think approved the night time operation to fill the way to do the police detail at night that's set up for tomorrow evening so notices were distributed to the butters this afternoon and weather pending there's no rain that's supposed to happen but the forecast looked good for it so I'm told as long as it doesn't dip below freezing I'm going to do that even though it's supposed to go down to the 40s 40s tomorrow night that's hard to believe trying to get the air commission inspired let's see what else can I am I missing here checks for the different those who have been delivered to the land trust they have on both the checks of the land and the town yeah so in terms of the conditions of approval I think the outstanding items really are getting the thermal taping done and there's an ongoing erosion control that's really part of our management contract for the CRs so it's not really tied to this due to accuracy the inspector realizes that most if not all of the plantings have been installed and yes there are some that need to be replaced but those are in process and not a building permit issue so just go over the bus stop for me just because I think that's a little earlier than what was expected I always remember June 15th as being a date on that that was the outside it's for the OVTA to start up their service I think by the 30th so have you completed all parts of the bus stop? yep yep there's a smaller canyon wall the concrete is on board it's set so it's ready for the MBTA put the little stops on it and it's up that's ready to go let's get a little bit depends how you look at it yeah put a big milestone that was a coordination that was crazy but we got it through and we will modify the OVTA are there going to be any changes to the landscape? we moved the tree as discussed so that was saved there's not much else around it there's a little retaining wall there's a cap on it so it can serve as a bench for people to sit on the wall so I don't think it will be functional in a good location there was a lot of snack and they were much encouraged that was a good spot for everybody to access so that's good is the building inspector on board now with everything that's going on with an outweave and the brush a lot of them slept? yes I met with him I saw him this afternoon he that was it I think from groundscapes not to move the trees that were in the trimmings that had been happening that's actually the best erosion control that you can have it's the most natural it's consistent with projects that they've just completed in the Blue Hills Reservation as well as some work at Wellesley College he's going to give me some documentation but it's really best practices he said it doesn't look the greatest but it really restores to the natural and what it does as the the treatment of the invasives the invasives are helping since the root systems are stabilizing slow so as those are removed it sort of helps transition the ecology in a better way so there's a couple of areas that the building inspector pointed out that you wanted to have cleaned up just from a safety perspective so we're addressing those with him and all the trash has been removed yeah I'll leave I saw an email about some beams sticking out of the slope yeah it was one of the old I-beams that held the guardrail there was one that was missed and it's sticking up so we're going to move it back there is one for the next one very secure secure right now and so other than that there are some things that are in the rip-rap slope however it doesn't really make sense to move them because they are contributing to the structural integrity of the slope and they're not in a traffic area for the park use itself so we think we're okay there but we'll confirm that with the building what kind of things are in the rip-rap slope just like other steel beams that are laying down and embedded with some rip-rap over them it's not a high traffic trail the other thing is the edge condition the shoulder of the slopes in that area is treated with the bark mulch application the ground scapes it actually installed and that's all been sated and you can just start to see the peach fuzz of that starting to take hold hopefully that happens and you know that in that area there's no irrigation so it's important to have that growth at this time and that's another reason why we didn't want to be pulling stuff out of the area because we would be pulling over the area that we just seeded and we would play with the lead state blast too so from all these perspectives I think the plan is jelling everybody's understanding what it is and we've been trying to educate people about it because it does look a little bit messy I mean from a casual observer but there are these other embedded issues so we just want to make sure that the natives are going to grow up through it so as soon as stuff starts to leak out there won't be quite as this going like this when it's transition for transition things then shelter is making quite a bit of progress on their landscaping from the soon road it's really starting to kind of have a finished appearance I was by there today it looks like they're doing a lot of the rework that they've talked to you about it looks like that's starting to come to a conclusion I'm not sure exactly where they are on the vertical points but from the casual that they're working it's really starting to become sort of finished they're working much improved we've also been able to do the clean up spring clean up there's sort of an army of people that let's create a clean up activity that's looking a lot better how about the lights that there were some complaints on the lights and requests for shields so if that's been more of shelter's questions because we put the road lights in there were some requests for additional shielding that we did sort of got everybody stabilized and then shelters own lights a little bit later we're coming online and then the lights from their building so there has been some discourse with the neighbors about that they're direct to butters and at the snack really there was a request to look at the lighting plan to make sure that there was consistency with what was installed I understand from shelter that they've had their consultants verify that the photo metric plan has been followed and all of the pictures are consistent with the plan and we meet the dark sky requirements and everything that's in that permit but I haven't come across that in detail and it really ties more to their special permit and everything so we're trying to have a process that has them managing their special permit so it wasn't the road lights so some of the mitigation for the lights was to do additional screening on the road lights and so actually the building inspector would require additional shades for shelter to put on our lights and we've given them permission to do that and given them the contact information of where to get the shield so I know that temporary ones were done it was my understanding that those were deemed to be adequate for what they were trying to accomplish and I know that they had a requirement to put the permanent shades and not just the temporary ones just in a different place so it's my understanding that that's all in the process but you know those shades are just for some reason very difficult to actually get physically you know, shaped to you but it's more of a procurement issue but those were only on some of the lights if I recall right because you had I mean obviously for safety yeah well that's a concern for everybody and from the casual of your work you know the amended lighting plan looks to be okay I think probably at the end of the day some engineers who have stamped the trunks will probably want to go peak and look at it and make sure that it makes sense and have the neighbors who were affected before reacted to the new plan with the shields I thought that they had said that the additional shields were okay but I haven't been directly managing that I know that there's some questions that they want to know that it's consistent with the photometric plan that was permitted and I know that shelter thinks that it is but I don't have their plan so it's hard to evaluate that and we think it really ties to more shelters special permit but the building itself I think to look much more finished and the landscaping I think is looking very attractive I think they have some a little bit along the way yeah so the vent pipe is connected to master building yeah you can still see it but it's better any other comments because then I want to go over a little bit of a schedule for us because I think we may need it off when's our next meeting I don't recall when because our schedule kind of fell apart because we were trying to coordinate it with the board and then over the post town meeting months something we need to get on top of so if I could we believe that as of Wednesday morning we will be done with all of the conditions that were required as a part of our punch list and would be eligible for demonstrating sort of a checklist on the commission to approval which we clearly would want to distribute to the board and have everybody to see and verify and we're ready on the administrative side to start through that with staff so we would anticipate sort of resubmitting something this week the other thing that we have going on is the kind of medium sales which is a big push that we had in a few minutes ago our second signed purchase and sale agreement so that's a big step we have five more that are out for signature for a total of seven that have been agreed has been reserved there's been considerable back and forth on the PNSS themselves so we think that they're mostly done and ready for signature so that's a big step and then we have a couple of new things somewhat promising we never know new reservations so I guess I'm wondering people's availability for next Monday because one of the things that is a concern with the condos as we kind of get to the end of May here is the chicken or the egg issue with a final CEO and being able to sign up the PNSS so it sounds like we're done with the punch list even to the tune of the bus stop which I actually didn't think was going to be one of the ones that we could say that and so I was hoping that Jake and Steph could work on the checklist this week and make sure that Steph gets comfortable that the punch list that we had left the last time is done certainly sounds like we're there and certainly happy to help with that as well and then meet on Monday because as you know the requires us to say that the project is substantially complete before the building inspector can provide the final CEO before the building inspector will we have something from Mike from the building inspector telling us he's good with all this no sorry we don't have to say with respect to the health and safety that's not in our purview it is the other things all of the Monday's VA no because then we'd really be in a circle we'd really be waiting for you you're waiting for us what we're really telling him is that in respect to the special permit and the LDA most especially the LDA that the board considers it to be substantially complete and as you recall about probably six weeks ago now when we sat around the table we said that we needed to get through that punch list before we had that before we were able to make that statement as a board so you are okay great perfect why don't we do it we don't think it'll be a long meeting so maybe seven o'clock on Monday night hopefully there'll be no time meeting I'm expecting there will be no time meeting and we can work through it it would be very helpful to make sure that staff's okay this week we should be able to do that with everything we're so close it's great so far and then we can have a vote on the new chairman at the same time after that I'll give you two more we're not accepting the resignation put that letter back I can't hang out with Jake anymore I won't have any more time I don't think Jake's going to be hanging out anymore it's a fun call away you're not changing your phone number huh well thank you so I think we're scheduled for next Monday if you can do some hard work this week and we'll keep marching can you believe over here okay talk in the morning cell phone please I won't be in the office tomorrow morning we can schedule that with Laura thank you yes exactly take care great minutes this was a nice I like these minutes these minutes work for me I'm good first you didn't make your way through I'm fine Andrew oh you weren't here sorry can I have a motion I'll make a motion to approve I'll second all in favor aye great that was the April 28, 2014 minutes do you need a copy I just couldn't find them they're all clicked together Christian seconded by Bruce three voted in favor Mr. Nell abstained I added an R you must get that a lot though are you adding an R I added a R we're just getting ready for being chairmen so you massacred it so that would be good for me did you get a report from the board have you given any more thoughts I'm hoping it's tonight it was the last night I agree with you although I think we could have taken advantage of it summarize the effort on Sims and to drive home without urban renewal you wouldn't have two parks you wouldn't have a business contributing to the tax base you wouldn't have a bus stop you wouldn't have a conservation restriction you would have lots more density and taller towers yeah it's so you're going to get up and sit down no we can just say that Carol could say it much better than I could if you you can stand beside her yeah I kind of bandied it back and forth and what we should have done is made a list of all of the all of the accomplishments of the board over the past few years and added that in there you know there's several things that have gone through that have ended up being much better than they otherwise would be only this one used urban renewal that's true I just think it was an opportunity to try to help explain what that authority gives Arlington and that most communities don't have it yeah I'm definitely not the right one to explain that but yes can you say something I could but it would come better from the board I'll twist his arm later I don't know that I'll get there I don't know that I'll get there it could be Wednesday I hope it's Wednesday I'm not sure I'll actually be at town meeting oh do they think they'll be done tonight I think it's an outside chance because it's budgets starting at the beginning there's several other articles after that but depending upon how budgets go I don't think anything is really too controversial in there although you never know I think town meeting members might be motivated to yeah the electronic clicker has been magic it has been moved along absolutely moved along well you don't have as many as the standing votes correct that takes a while even on the voice vote there's always a few people who are loud so it can sound very much closer than when you actually count the votes close yeah yes we shall see so I will entertain you I'll make a motion I'll second all in favor bye