 Alright, so do you have your PVC and are you exercising or are you ready to exercise your constitutional human right? So we went to the streets of Lagos, not we actually, Dami went to the streets of Lagos to hear what Nigerians are saying about your PVC and good governance. So let's watch this. Hello Nigeria, my name is Oluwa Dami Lola Ibitoe. You can call me Dami. We are live at ATOS A3 Local Government Sectoria PVC Collection Centre. This is Walk's Pop on the Waste Show. We're going to be speaking with a few Lagosians to know what they think about the forthcoming election. Are you sure you have gotten your PVC? Did I hear you correctly? Tell me you've gotten your PVC. Well, follow me as I speak to Lagosians to know what they think about the forthcoming election. So what does good governance mean to you? Good governance, according to my own understanding, it means to put everything in check under your control. It doesn't matter either you're a president or a governor. It's putting everything under your capacity in good checks like there should be checks and balance. The good governance means a person that will come and make sure that everything is being possible for everybody. Anything you do is good for you. And if the economy is not moving fine, they will not do what they are supposed to do. Because things will not move on with the people inside the country. That's why I say that even in our health sector, it's not okay. Everything is not okay. For my side, good governance is when the people outside, they can achieve what governance is doing for them. And many people around, they can achieve so many things. Good governance is a good governance that people that will enter there that will do it. But do you have your PVC anyway? Yeah, I have. Is that what you came to collect today? Yeah, exactly. Well, that means you're a very good citizen of Nigeria. Do you have your PVC? Of course I do. I've been very concerned. Okay, okay, okay. I like that evidence. Do you have your PVC, by the way? Of course, I know. Are you going to be voting? I'll be voting. Are you sure you're going to be coming out? I'll be voting. I'll be voting. I'll come outside. Do you have your PVC? Yes. So would you be voting? Yes. Are you sure that you would be voting? Yes, I'm sure. We have been on the streets of Lagos, Nigeria, speaking to Lagotians, knowing what they think about the first coming election. A lot of people have several opinions. There are several opinions here and there. People want to vote for these candidates for different reasons. People want to vote for another candidate for a whole lot of good reasons. Well, and some. However, we hope for a better future. However, we hope for the best in the forthcoming election. My name is Oluwa Damilola. This is the Vox Pop on the Waste Show. Thank you. All right. So the United Nations summarizes good governance to relate to the political and institutional processes and outcomes that are necessary to achieve the goals of development. The true test of good governance is the degree to which it delivers on the promise of human rights, civil, cultural, economic, political and social rights. So how do you think the current administration has fed in upholding good governance? And do you believe that your PVC can birth good governance come 2023 or after the 2023 general elections? Now please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-4663. You can also tweet at us at Waste Show after one with the hashtag Waste Show. All right. So Damil, you went on the street. So let me start with you first. I mean, because again, there's a longer version of the Vox Pop that we're going to probably post on social media on our YouTube page. So if you don't subscribe yet, now is the best time to go and subscribe. Yeah. I mean, what's the pause of the people? Are people really hopeful that, you know, getting their PVC, what's the energy like? Are they ready? Do they really believe that that PVC can drive, you know, can make a change, can birth to a new Nigeria? Well, honestly, most of the answers were rather most of the response that we got yesterday, a lot of people are actually very hopeful. And a lot of people are just like, you know what? Let's see what happens. Because, truthfully, we could say easily that our votes will count. But at the end of the day, we don't know what's going to happen up there. We will just play our own parts and then vote. Well, collecting our PVC and then we'll vote. I mean, well, some people were really hopeful that if the right person gets into government, Nigeria would be a better place. But the truth is, we Nigerians, are we ready to receive good governance? Okay. Don't open that kind of form. Are we ready to receive good governance? Because, I mean, it's easy for, okay, fine, we vote and then our candidates, I mean, get into power. Well, are we really ready to embrace good governance? Because... Good governance is a lot of sacrifice. It means that all the things you used to get away with, you can't get away with them. And everybody for that, because we are too used to that freedom. Everybody just wants to do whatever they like. Nobody is trying to obey the law because they know they can easily get away with it. But then, it's further shows that we're not particularly ready to embrace good governance. So that's one thing on its own. Absolutely. And it's a very big thing that you have just said. Very big. So, I mean, you know, the truth is, young people play an important role in any democracy. Because if you check it, they usually dominate the numbers. When it comes to, I mean, like what the Ainec Chairman, the story I took, you know, young people dominate the voting space, right? And voting is often taken for granted mostly by young people. But for some strange reason, right? Maybe the aftermath of the Ansar's from 2020 October has really woken up the young people in Nigeria. So let me come to you, Jennifer. Do you believe that, first of all, do you have your PVC and do you believe your PVC can actually, you know, breath that good governance that we're looking for in Nigeria? So I'll be getting my PVC this week. Awesome. But as I start talking about if my PVC will birth good governance, to me, I believe if you vote for the right person into power, then you would birth good governance. But if you vote for someone who doesn't care about the nation and its people as a whole, then you're going to get bad governance. And you would have to live with that decision that you have made. So it's making the right decision, weighing your pros and cons, looking at different people who are campaigning for that seat and being able to pick out what you want to see in the next coming years. Because whoever you put in the seat of power, it's not going to be there for 24 hours, but it's not going to be there for one year. The best is going to be there for four years. And if they campaign again and you vote again, they will be there for another four years. So the question is, is that what you want? Do you want to suffer? Because we've suffered in the past and nobody wants to suffer anymore. And I believe that there are some people who are very selfish when it comes to putting people into power or when it comes to them voting. And at the end of the day, you get paid a certain amount to vote a particular person into power. That money will finish. But Jennifer, you just said something now. You said nobody wants to suffer. If you paid attention to what Demi is saying, whether we are ready for good governance. Let us break it down and be honest with ourselves. In the sense of what good governance is right now, with the level of corruption and how far we've gone neck-deep into corruption, good governance will mean that we'll have to suffer. No, definitely. The thing is this, there is good suffering. There is bad suffering. There is suffering for the greater good. And that means that you are sacrificing. The truth is, when it comes to hard work and success, if you want to achieve success, you need to be disciplined and you need to sacrifice a lot of things for you to achieve your end goal. So if you're not ready for it, then it means that you're not ready for success. Except you want to do Magu Magu. And with the way politics is, let's not Magu Magu to these things. They pay you how much? One million Naira. And with the way, look at the economy to start with. Now the economy is not so great. Now if you put the wrong person into power, it means that the economy is going to get worse. So that means that your one million Naira that would probably would have lasted you last year for three months, only lasted you for one month, in the next few years. So what exactly are we doing? So everyone needs to actually tighten their seat belts. And I really ask yourself, because honestly, sometimes you hear the saying that oh, some Nigerians deserve the government that they currently have. It's because when you look at the everyday man, you can see the government in them. Do you understand? Because the way you treat your neighbor, even when you're doing business and you're hiking price unnecessarily, you talked about customer service, people are treating you as if you're an animal because what's probably, you don't look rich, you don't act rich or you don't have enough money. So I'm going to treat you a certain way. We know that there are levels to this thing. We are very classists in Nigeria. Do you understand? So when you talk about people who are very classists and you want a good governor, it means that there are things that you would let go of. You would have to learn to suffer, but bear it at the back of your mind that it is for the greater good. Because there are lots of things that would need to end. You see the things that happen on the road and if a president comes in and says, okay, from now on, if you pass red lights or if you jump from here to here who arrests you and you pay, fine, you go to jail. It's a pain in you. Do you understand? Some people would actually complain that what the government is doing is terrible. But the truth is you are breaking the law. And if we're talking about good governance, it means that you need to stick with the law. It's as simple as that. I'll come to you, Angie. Let me quickly bring in number. We tend to forget that there's somebody in Zoom. Let me hear your thoughts. Do you believe that our PVCs can birth a new Nigeria? Because you see, this thing that we're talking about now, everybody is shouting, PVC, get your PVC, get your PVC. You know, when they talk about birthing any good governance or whatever, apart from young people playing a pivotal role in that, you know, movement, the truth is every single vote you make can break or make an election. So it's not even enough now. It doesn't stop at just getting the PVC. How many people will be willing to sacrifice to come out to vote? But let me hear your thoughts, Noma. Okay. Let me start by saying that PVC is not an end in itself. Yes, it's just a means to an end. But it's a means to an end. PVC is not what is going to translate to good governance. And it's unfortunate, but that is the reality that we have found ourselves. That people have their PVCs. Some of them don't intend to use it. And then some people have the opportunity or want to be able to vote because of the breakdown. Again, in our system, they are unable to receive their PVCs, right? And PVC can influence the possibility of electing credible leaders. That's what it can do. It has the potential because based on the decisions that we make, who we choose to lead us will determine out of the abundance of who that person is, will depend on what they are able to deliver on. And if we go back to what United Nations Human Rights said about the attributes of good governance, part of the attributes is transparency. It's responsibility, accountability, participation. Questions to ask are Nigerians willing to be transparent? It is transparent people that will elect transparent leaders. Are Nigerians ready to be responsible for their future? It is responsible people that will identify responsible leaders. Are they ready to be accountable when you are in your office? Because we want to break this down to everyday living. It's not just about the leaders that we lead, that we elect. We are a reflection, our leaders are a reflection of who we are as a people. And the truth of it is that you can't keep what you don't have. So if you are PBC, it does not automatically translate to choosing good leaders that will represent you in all transparency, accountability, responsibility, preserving your human rights. So the quality of people matter when it comes to PBC and credible elections. How are we changing the minds of people to not only elect leaders for the sake of elected leaders, but also to be able to elect leaders that will be accountable to the people who have elected them. That when they ask them questions, you said that you were going to do XYZ. How are you doing it? This is 100 years in office. And then when they are not delivered, they have the responsibility to vote them out. Absolutely. So the quality of the people is very, very crucial in this election. And I think that is where even the candidates should be able to begin to sort things, begin to sort the minds of people to look out for leaders that they can elect that will represent their human rights and help them transcend towards being better people. Absolutely. I think Jennifer and Dami Lola have rightly said that when we elect these people, it's important that they help us to achieve things and that we're going to have to sacrifice. Absolutely. So when they are telling you to tighten your belt, or telling you that they are going to begin to be ready, because XYZ, this is the future that we're looking to, this is the goal, this is the direction, then there's difficulties. That's your sacrifice. You know that it is going to birth reports at the end of the day. So people must be educated. People must know that their votes count. But just having a PVC, in my opinion, does not translate. Absolutely. To good governance. It is the people. It is the action behind. Absolutely. All right, so if you just tuned in, it's our ladies night out, and we are discussing the topic, do you believe your PVC can birth good governance? Now please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-4663. You can also see that that's at Weissho after one of the hashtag Weissho. Now our phone line is now open. Yay! Remember the rules. Don't forget, turn down the volume of whatever it is that you're watching us from. Turn down the volume. And the number to call is 070-25-0077-49. We're really hoping to hear your call. NG, your turn. Well, Jennifer, Dami, Norma have said a lot. They've probably almost cleared my sheet. But there's a lot to this idea of PVC and how it transitions into the birth of good governance. Now, first of all, you ask yourself, like Norma mentioned a couple of things that you would be expecting when you hear the word good governance. So yes, there's transparency. You have to be accountable. Then you have to follow rule of law because there are rules that will be set aside. Whether it's traffic rules, rules governing banks, rules governing everything as we can see with the new NIA notes and everything. So you can see that they're trying to change some things. And there's also the part where the government has to listen to the people and take that feedback and actually walk on it. Like if you're not delivering on your promise, because that's actually the test of good governance. Being able to deliver on those promises that you made during your campaign. Now, if you're not able to deliver on those promises, the people should be able to hold you accountable. So you should be open to that. Thank you. Let me take our first caller for the evening. Eminique, I believe you're on the line in your life. Thank you for calling. Hello. Hi, thank you for calling. Good evening, baby. Hi, good evening. Yeah, I welcome back. Thank you. Yes, I believe my BBC can bring about good governance. Our region is at the beginning of this democracy, 1929. But I discovered friends, some of them were discouraged. Just this evening, my son refused to vote. And they don't vote. But this time around, because of the bus, as I've said now, they have shown interest. They have never said to vote. I have a member of my family now close relations. Those I have been able to convince who are now ready to vote. So if you multiply the number, this will surely translate into good governance. Alright, thank you, Eminique. Thank you very much. I like the fact that you sent him and his entire family members. In those days when you used to marry multiple wives, have many children, it's actually because of your power. Because the more the children, the bigger the family, the more respect you're going to get. Let me finish your thought, NJ. What I was saying, because all these things, good governance is not just getting the PVC. If you're not able to influence someone based on how well you're able to educate them on the reason why we actually need good governance. Because it's almost like some people don't know we need it. And because we've been doing, like Jennifer used the word, mago mago too much. So good governance is something that we have to even be ready for. Because it's going to translate into a whole lot of things for us as individuals. It's a complete shift. You know how you are used to, last month we arrested you. You are used to saying, oh God, your statement came here, this one came. Because the truth is that, and that's what I really liked. I said that your question is really thought provoking. Are we really ready? Yes, our PVCs will bring good governance. It will translate into some of these things. If we vote, like you rightly said, the right leader, and we put the right leader again. But when we see good governance, can we recognize it? Do you understand? Can we take it? Can we accept it? That you have to pay your taxes. Nigeria is one of the most lawless places that you ever see. People don't pay taxes. People are not honest. People just get away with a lot of things. So that's the thing. It's not issue of whether I blame them. I'm just trying to tell you that you must put all the cards on the table that we are pushing and we are clamoring. Go get your PVC, go get your these, go get your that. But the time you do get it, and you then vote the kind of leader that you're looking for. How ready, how prepared. We don't have a choice. Do you understand? Would you be, when the person begins to implement what it takes really for us, if they say that this is what the governance looks like, if they begin to put those implementations on ground, would you be ready to take it? But do we have a choice? Do we really want to move? Because if we really want to move, then when you've gotten all the way down, you wouldn't have a choice. And you don't have a choice. So we're almost at that point where we don't have a choice. Do you think Nigerians are at that point? I don't think all Nigerians are at that point because being honest, I don't think so. Everyone can be at the point at the same time. But a large population of Nigerians are at that point where they're literally frustrated because this thing affects every area of everyone's life. Whether in government, whether in processes, it affects us in every way. So why would we not? Even if you want it in one area, if it comes, it comes. It's going to come general. Like it's going to affect all of us eventually. So why don't we just do this instead of waiting till things get really bad? Jennifer, are you ready for good governance? Yes. Yes, not to ask direct questions. We don't have a choice. Honestly, if you asked me, I would say yes. I would say yes. Maybe not 100% yes. And that's me being very, very honest and open because there are some things that has worked in my favor or in our favor because of one or two tweaks here and there. And one thing I believe is if the person that wants it or comes in, we all have different people that we want to vote for. Another thing is knowing that change will not come immediately and people need to learn from now to start to be patient because there has been a lot of damage in the past and to repair that It cannot be overnight. Absolutely. It's going to take a lot of time and we need to be patient to see that happen and accept the change when it comes. But yeah, if I'm open to that change I'm very open to that change because honestly I don't want to live in Nigeria. I don't like it from... I don't like it in your life. Okay, I think we lost the call. You don't want to live in Nigeria. I love Nigeria. We just have a hero. This is where my people... My darling, if you had asked me this question before 2022, I would have said I'm patriotic. I'm just saying to you people in case you are a jackpot. Don't be angry. I'm the most patriotic Nigerian. But you know, you just get to that point where you are just extremely frustrated. And you see, when you are saying that I say people are not ready because you see in all of these things that we are saying some people are the biggest benefactors of the corrupt system, the structure as it stands. So if you see them today clamoring to turn nail, trying to make sure that status quo remains, it's because they are benefitting from it, right? But hey, who am I? Let me come to Namajio. Who am I? It's interesting. Unfortunately, the whole of Nigeria cannot... You cannot just speak. And Nigeria is still home, really. And I want to agree with NJ at the point where she said that when your back is against the wall, when you have no more options, then you should be able to fight back because there's nowhere else. There's no escape, right? You should be able to fight back. And I think, in my opinion, the Nigerians are... I gradually get to that point where they are tired of... There's a major chunk of new Nigerians and Nigerian voters that are tired of the situation and are making that effort. There's still a lot of work to be done in educating the minds of people or causing people to have a mind shift that enables them to see the reality of bad governance or choosing bad leaders and deciding, taking responsibility to decide that, in spite of all the things, maybe the little parts that they will come with, that I will take responsibility for the future of not just myself, but even generations on board, because it took a mind shift to bring Nigerians to where they are today, where corruption became the border of the day. And I agree with Jennifer. It's going to take time. It's going to take another process of mind shift to get Nigerians to get to that point where they say, this is no longer an option. We are looking for a better Nigeria, a new Nigeria. And I'm really positive we may not get there now, but there is a gradual shift in that direction. So I'm sure that people will be aware that today is not what it was a few years back. A few years back more people were nonchalant about it, but you see that a lot of young people are being responsible. Over the months we've seen different things on social media, showing young people taking responsibility. The percentage is still little because there is a huge chunk that has not been tapped into what it is beginning. Absolutely. Let me take Chukes is on the line. Thank you for calling. Hi, good evening. Yeah, this is Loma. This is Loma from whom? Oh, Loma. Hi. Happy new year. Long time. Sorry, we apologize. We're back. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. First on the question of just ask. I have a question on this screen. Please. Our president has written back to a good natural. If we are in our president, the INC chairman will be taught to write their name in the Guinness Book of History. If only they were allowed to write in the Guinness Book of History by telling all that, nothing sure, the president made that he is going to give a political election. And the INC chairman promising that everything will be fair and safe. Not giving me in the south, giving us my functioning beaver. We are not. We will give them functioning beavers. Because these are the disparities that have been happening in this country. They will give the south my functioning beaver and they will give the north functioning. If only they would pass and speak truth to the path and make sure that this election will be free and fair and INC would not be barraged. Then you will know that our privacy will be given to the UN. But if they continue with the old order by making other places functional, here in the south there will be my functioning beaver. Like what happened to good North America? I am telling you, then we will still be going on with the old order. But I agree that our president will write and INC chairman will write his name in the Guinness Book of Records. Thank you very much. Thank you. This Guinness Book of Records. I sure they are interested. I was going to say that quickly because again when I asked this question yesterday to our guest he said something on which I strongly believe because again there is power in that that item or that identity called the PVC. That power is what the politicians used over the years to keep feeding the minds that those things are not relevant. So that's why a lot of people were just on the fence. They were just laid back. But from what the INC chairman had said now based on his talk at the Chatham House when he was talking about the percentage if you are saying to me out of 100% that you have about 75.39% of young people which are the major agitators for a different Nigeria, a better Nigeria it tells me that there's going to be a possible somewhat, would I call it a revolution through the ballot because again let's not forget in 2015 because Loma just brought my mind back to 2015. When they saw the idea that Good Luck Jonathan was perpetrating a corrupt government and all of that and people of course came out and said how can this person be stealing money under your nose and all of that. That agenda was well cooked. I know that it was voters that brought Buhari to Nigerians that put Buhari in office because we believed so strongly in the idea that he was going to fight corruption and insecurity but I think Adelike is back on the line. Adelike, you're live. Hi, good evening. Good evening. Okay, thank you for calling. What I want to tell you you know you called your guest daily to hold up for him. He said in your day as a teacher Nigerians, all of us, we are now one. We are going to debate before we don't get to execute because maybe we want to act first either for our children or whatever. So that is our plan before. But now, all of us enlighten Nigerians telling us what to do to direct them to follow. All of us, we are ready to put them around. The only thing that I'm not able to get and I want to do everything possible but so that right below thank you please do your part because that is what is most important in all of this conversation and guess what even talking about the youth you know what I'm excited about this that demography according to research, young people are not concerned about all this tribal bias personal bias so we are de-tribalized apolitical so we have a very, very free mind to think to say okay these are the people and that's why when somebody is saying that I mean the INEC chairman is saying that this election is actually going to be for the youth. Trust me if we, it is for us in all fairness. Let me say something. I like the fact that the INEC chairman is giving us an analysis of the data of the registration and the amount of people who have actually collected their PVC. Another thing I would beg him to do for us is one thing that scares people especially on election day is insecurity another thing is INEC officials getting to the polling units on time they need to get there on time I don't know what training needs to be done but officials that are currently there but they need to get there on time because some people have gotten their PVCs and one thing they keep saying is by the time I get there I know what my friend had to took my friend two days to get her to get her PVC and those people said they were going to come by 7am no, they were going to come by 8am so they got there by 7am put the INEC officials got there by 11.30 and that's over Let me take Charles, Charles your life sorry for keeping you Hello, good evening to you Happy new year to you Happy new year Well, with Nigeria we have their power through our PVC to actually decide who the power is in our hands but the challenge we are having or one of the threats I see we are achieving that is from INEC because from what I see INEC, it seems as if there is internal I don't know what it is, maybe the officials they try deliberately to deny people the opportunity of getting their PVC for instance, the Potakotier they are very specific there is one place they call in Potakotier, the INEC officials they are giving out PVC they collect as much as 34,000 to give out PVC and it was supposed to be that way I mean, many people has been discouraged as a result of that because it is very rare to have that kind of money I don't know whether this kind of thing happens in other parts of the country for instance they do not, but if they collect money to issue PVCs and this is very dishappening when they don't have that PVC for example, when they have that kind of money now put differently as regards to the foreign community elections whether if Nigerians are really ready about this election I don't really know whether if you are ready I was listening to a guest in your program was it two days ago, somebody dissued but Jimi dissed also an analyst was analyzing things and when the uncle asked whether if Nigerians are ready for this election, he said no he doesn't think so because some people, you think the way they are it seems as if maybe they are ready to collect money and continue with the tragedy of poverty and the idea of it's a crazy thing that put it all fair with all this work it seems as if we will not let anyone see that's my position this evening, thank you Thank you so much Charles Noma, we have a minute to go quickly take a message then we'll wrap up the conversation Okay Okay, let me quickly take this message and it's it's from Daniel Eno and he says Good evening my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying, hashtag ways can our PVC birth good governance, the answer is yes on one condition if we play our game well my dear beautiful sister Dami Lola asked if we are ready for good governance we need to suffer now and enjoy later we all clamour for a good Nigeria and I believe that our PVC has a very important role to play there trust me Nigerians haven't learnt their lessons yet they are blinded both spiritually and physically and they will end up voting for the wrong people into office because they have been bright whether PVC or not my dear beautiful sisters Muadjaga and Jennifer you are welcome back and I missed you Happy New Year to you, my name is Daniel Eno Thank you Daniel on that note we have right at the time I'm telling you but thank you I mean this conversation trust me 39 days to go we will keep bringing because the angle Jennifer brought is very important how would INEC respond now so before we go thank you ladies I'm sure you follow us across all our social media platforms that way so Africa can interact with us further drop a comment and most importantly follow all our engagement we will share the full link of all the Voxpop on our social media handle so you can always watch and catch up so if you missed our quote for today here it is again talk is cheap, voting is free take it to the polls it's as simple as that go get your PVC get your PVC today we'll see you guys tomorrow at 8pm as we bring another great conversation to your screen enjoy