 Hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, huh Name another podcast like this, who gon' bring it to the table, boss top Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E.C.E.O. And I'm here with the lovely, amazing, official Mr. Mako, what's going on? Nothin', none, you know my dad, well I'll go on. Man, hey man, we, you know what man, this man, hey listen man, they done, hey, this man, this man right here man kept me going a lot of time when I didn't know, I didn't really have nobody to go to, I had this guy right here, man, that gutter TV say, man, you gon' be big, man. And I took it to heart too, nigga, I thought you're talking to me, man. You know what I'm talking about, man. Hey man, thank you man for coming on the show, man. And thank you man, like man, it's refreshing to get people in that really, really built the foundation and really don't, don't really get they just do like they should, to be honest with you, man, because you really from the old school to me, you my old G, man. No, for sure, I feel that way too, I'll be with that. I'm cool with being from the older era too. Yeah, yeah, but to put that work in, you laid the foundation, man. Even with the new ones, you know, the new kids too, so. Yeah, so we want to, we really like to, I know how you, I'll let you say that for us. We like to take it back. We take it all the way back, my brother. Way back when you was a kid growing up. Before gutter TV. Before gutter TV, when you wanted to be maybe a fireman or a policeman or something like that. She's, he like, I ain't never want to be no damn police. I know, I'm not a 20-year-old money. I'm just saying, I'm just like, but we want to take it back. All right, that's good. I want to know about your upbringing. I want to know the struggles you've been through. I want to know everything you had to go through to make you into the person that you are today. Well, I mean, yo, that's cool. We can get it done. Go ahead, tell me, go ahead. What you want to know? You got to, because I can. Oh, you want me to ask specific? Yeah, you got to ask something, because like. Where are you from? I'm from Little Rock, Arkansas. Little Rock, yeah. Okay, how was it like growing up in Little Rock? Little Rock, it was, it was. That's country, right? Nah, Little Rock hard. Shit, Little Rock is, it's like Dallas and shit. It's just small. You went down there, we went through 30 and 40, going to Memphis. But just going down there is not. Yeah, you got to get in the mix. So yeah. But no, yeah, it was, you know. What are y'all known for? Oh, banging shit. Yeah, for sure. Let me run that. Really? Yeah. But we love the hogs though. We love the razorbacks, you know, for the hogs. So like we love the razorbacks. Okay, okay. So how were you raised? Like you were raised in a household with your mom and dad? Just single, single mom. Single mom? Yeah. The statistics. Boy, I'm telling you. Everybody, why does everybody fall into that bracket? I mean, well, you know, that was then. You know, it's different now. Me and my partners, we raised in ours. You hear me? Okay, that's good. Yeah, believe that. Stuck with a mom and everything? Shit, stop playing. You said what? You stuck with their mom and everything? We ain't gonna say that everybody stick with them. Oh, that ain't what I'm saying. I said, I'll meet me and my partners and my brothers. We in our kid's life. Active father. Yeah, we active. Okay, so you didn't know your dad or did you? I did, but you know what I'm saying? I know who he is, but I don't know him. Okay, okay, okay. You feel me? Yeah. Like I ain't never be around him or none of that. Really? Yeah, no, never. So if you saw him right now, would you say anything to him? Hell yeah. What would you say? I don't know. I'm a nigga that, I ain't tripping. I wanna meet my nigga and talk to him and all that. So you just don't know where he is? I know where he is, but I ain't gonna make all the just do right now to try to get to nobody. Okay. But I'll fuck with him though. Okay, I think okay. He started hitting me on the Facebook and shit one day. I was like, this dude, this ill, this ill, yeah. He was excited. I was. He's gonna be like, hey, pull up. Let's talk. Hell no. But you gotta think about that. I mean, I think I'll say he had some type of situation with his dad while he blessed him and everything else, man. You just gotta be able to get past when it could because without him, we not here. My dad never, he passed now, but he never told me he loved me. He never hugged me. That just wasn't who he was. So when he was there, he really wasn't just prevalent to me. He wasn't like, I couldn't, I couldn't write with him like that. Now he taught me how to be a man, how to work, but he ain't just, he ain't just, no, he ain't for the play. I never played nothing with him. He didn't play, didn't he? He didn't play with nobody. No, he ain't play with nobody. Damn shit, what a play with me. But from a female's perspective or from my perspective, because I can't talk for any other female, I'd be thinking about it's good to know that side of family because for health purposes, if something ever go wrong with, you know what I mean? You want to know where you come from and all that. All of that sort of stuff. So that's why I always feel like it's important, even if you don't stay friends or stay cool with the person, but you still need to know extra questions. I mean, I feel like we're gonna link one day. I'll say that. But guess what? His other kids, I fuck with them. Oh, okay. Yeah, so they're not with you. How many brothers and sisters you got? You know, they, you know, come on now. You go to TV. Come on now. They, they already know. How many you got? How many brothers and sisters? I was just talking to my relatives, excuse me, I'm sorry, but I was just talking to my relative that's in the pen. I ain't talked to him in probably about two, two years. You know what I'm saying? And he one of the youngsters and he was like, blood, you lit, blood, you being, you know how you is blood. He like, man, everybody down here, they be down here capping and saying, he talking about, everybody back like they popping bottles and recording at your studio and shit. He said, he don't know you blood, but I just be sitting back listening. I said, yeah. I'm like, that's my relative. Yeah, you a player. Real player. You ain't gotta step in there and be like, that's my relative. That's my family. I don't let, but somebody say something wrong, you going to box them down. You feel me? No, I'm real talk. I'm real talk. That's the way it be when you really, you waiting on them, you waiting in the cut. I got to be like, yeah, he waiting. But he know the real, he know we blood for real. Yeah, yeah. That's what matter, man. So when you, when I think a gut of TV, man, I think about all the extraordinary things you do, but how did you get that, that, that drop with, with that way, with that's way behind it? You going to be big. How did you, how did you end up getting that drop? And how did you know that was the one? I mean, I just, I just be knowing that type of shit, like what makes sense. But I was chilling there with the house. We're just smoking, chilling. It wasn't no filming type of shit. We was just smoking, chilling, talking. But the shit we got to talking about, I'm like, man. I was like, damn, I wish it was way to record this shit. You know what I'm saying? So it be cameras on the computer. Yeah, on your computer. That's right. And I have my laptop everywhere I go. Yeah, me too. So boom, I went about the laptop. I just sat it on his studio board and think, hit that little, hit that little, not even, you know, the little camera and photo booth or whatever it is, record. And shit he ran for probably about, you know, that shit record forever. It's like three hours worth of footage. Wow. One day I'm just bored listening to the shit. Yeah, I still got all that. But I'm just bored listening to the shit. And he say that shit. I say, hold on, let me, at the time I had Mack Mayn on there, I had young money on there. They was saying, gutter TV, fuck them. You heard me? Yeah. And that shit was getting big. But I was like, this shit here might work. So I tried it, right? We're with it. And the video probably went crazy. And I was like, damn, and then I was like, you know what, I'm going to do it again. And I was like, man, really, this just it. This it. We're going to keep running with it here. I just kept going with it here. I love it, man, because every time I hear it, man, it's just something about it. I'm like, that's it. That's gutter TV. But you know, I'll be saying that's God too, because my whole life, I've been wanting to be on some motivational shit too. You feel me? So like, look what he did for me. He gave me a drop. There's more inspiration, you know, inspiring than anything. Like people see me and say that and go crazy. How did you meet Webby, though? How did you end up meeting him? When I, in Little Rock, I used to book shows. OK. So I used to bring him to Little Rock. And so, and then y'all got so tight that you end up in bad. When I was staying now, when I was staying in Atlanta. OK. It's a deep story. I'm listening. That shit. I'm staying in Atlanta. I'm having some trouble where I'm staying at paying rent and shit. Yeah. Because I'm out there trying to figure it out at the moment, right? Life. So my partner become in my room one day. But at the time, I'm lit in Atlanta. I just got here. I'm probably four, six months in Atlanta. But I'm lit. Yeah, they loving you. Man, if Gutter ain't at your spot. It ain't probably. You ain't doing shit right now. So I'm, but I'm having a little trouble trying to figure out how to make the money from everything I'm doing. Exactly. So my partner, who I'm staying with one day, he blessed me with the crib. He, uh, he busted in the room one day, like, bro, it's the eighth, bro. We got to pay the rent. He like, God damn, bro. He like, he like, bro, all these people, come on, bro, figure something out. And he said, come on, help me out, bro. He said, all these people you know. He say, all these people you know. Come on, man. Somebody can help you come over this shit. I ain't needing them about three, four hundred dollars. I ain't no nigga that to talk to like that. Okay. Feel me? Mm-hmm. And I'm a hustler. So, like, I always hustled my whole life. But when I took a chance going to the A. Yeah. Feel me? I gave up the trap. You got a jump. Like I said, even my partner at the time, when I moved, he was like, you crazy? He said, you stupid. Like, we got into a real fist fight. I'm caught a nigga right now. He'll tell you like, oh, y'all caught a nigga stupid. I was like, because I was up. But I was like, man, I'm going to go to the A. And I just moved. You feel me? But saying, I'll let you say, shit, I was doing a bad. My partner was like, A, bro, figure something out. So I get to going through my phone when he closed the door. And I'm really like, man, I want to go in there and fight the nigga. Yeah. That's my nigga, Dane Dash. And I'm like, man, I want to go in there and fight the nigga. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm hot. I'm like, nigga came in and tried to check me or some shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, nigga. And I ain't no nigga be tripping over no $300, $400. So I ain't used to that. It's just I ain't got it at the time. So it's hitting me like, damn, the shit fucked up. So at the moment, I'm like, he right, though, when I sat down and laid in the bed, I was like, damn, the nigga right. I'm a grown-ass man. I'm only like 22 or something. But I'm like, damn, I'm laying in the bed. And I ain't got, you know what I'm saying? I can't do this. So boom, I get to, he said, go through your phone or something, nigga. That's what he said before he closed the door. So boom, I'm really thinking I go through my phone. I get the gun. I started A. It was crazy to this day. I do this. You know what I'm saying? So real plain shit. This shit is genius. Give up the game. But I started at A. And everybody that I hit just wasn't saying what I wanted to say. But when I got down to W, which is a webby, I'm saying to myself before I call him like, I'm down to W. Shit. It's over. It's over. Like, yeah, damn. It's over. I'm telling you, it's my stomach for touching my back. I didn't even go home or something like that. And I'm like, webby, webby, I didn't meet webby a few times. I'm like, man, webby ain't the one for the respond. How I want them to respond. Yeah. Feel me, bro, real. He risked guttle. He just guttle. Yeah. But when I called him, he said, I said, hey, bro, I need to get on the road with you or something. I need to do something. I need to make some money. And he said, this true story, too. This is just how I called him. Soon as he answered, because I didn't expect him to answer. I was like, hey, I need to get on the road with you or something. Bro, I need to do something. He said, what you want to do? I said, man, I don't know. I said, I just need to get on the road with you or something. You feel me? I need to make some money. And he said, man, how about that big boy? I don't know nothing about all this shit. You know what I'm saying? And then he was like, I'm going to send you a number. He gave me a number. And I'm like, this nigga gave me a security guard number. What the fuck am I going to do with a security guard number? You know what I'm saying? But I ain't going to lie, call the number. End up chopping up with him. The niggas say, meet him at the mall. I meet him at the mall, Lennox Mall in Atlanta. And it was big mail. He on trial in the time. And she, we just locked in. And he started, you know, pretty much come up with a budget and say, we going to rock out? He put me on the road with a little fat, his son. And he put me on the road with Webby. Shit, I was just, I was doing everything. I was everything around the camp. So wow, that's dope. Yeah. Little fat, man. He passed on, didn't he? How was that for you being that you were so connected to it? That was heartbreaking. Because I remember when it happened, I didn't really know. Like, like, I knew he was in Atlanta. You was in Atlanta at the time? I had just left Atlanta. Okay. So just break down to me. What, what that day for you? That day? That day you heard about it. That's damn. What's that? That's like probably like June 7th. I was, I was with my, with my, I think I was with my, with my baby mama now, my, you know, my son's mother now. Okay. And we was chilling and then somebody hit me. Because, you know, Instagram and shit wasn't just. It wasn't really big at that time. So somebody just hit me and they said something weird. And I was like, you know, I got another call, another call. And then, you know, I got to Atlanta. She, you know, this is one of them things. So she, you know, I, you know, you got to just ask the question more. Why? And I can, you feel me and I can maybe answer. Yeah. No, I'm just saying when you got to Atlanta, it's just like you, you didn't lost somebody that came up in the game with you. When you didn't have nothing. When you just explained to me, it was tough. You didn't have anything. Yeah. So now you've been around these people. You've been around the dad. You've been around the son, the friends, the whole camp. And so now you got to respond to that. My homeboy that left Dallas with me got killed, got out of the car the next day. He was dead, got shot, got actually stabbed and by his own uncle and then shot and threw up, threw out at the church. And I came back. He was a twin brother the next day. And I had to come back because his gun was left in my car. We were hustling together. So what I'm saying is I'll never forget that day. I had to go take his twin brother, that gun, because he was heated. And he was like, man, my brother had a gun. Man, where's the gun? I said, I'm going to bring it back to you. It was with me. You know what I'm saying? It's like this though, in Atlanta at the time, excuse me, at the time, like I told you, I was lit. Yeah. So when I got around webbing them, that ain't really where I got my money and my come up from. Okay. I was already going. Going. Okay. But I helped they situation. Yeah. Because they situation kind of was on the down spiral at the time. Boosi just went to jail. All of that. It was on the down. I remember he was in jail. So when I came around, it was, I brought it up. But what I'm saying is I didn't even really get the money from over there or nothing. Like when I started coming up, it was more like, shit, I was already in the mix. But I'm saying I learned how to make money. Exactly. Feel me? I learned how to make money from what I was doing. And male helped that part. Yeah. Because I was just around niggas with money. And they make it moves. And they make it moves. So I'm trying to figure shit out. And I was figuring shit out on how to put my shit together. How to move. Feel me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But on that day, I will say this though. I was so mad, so fucked up that I was driving probably 150 on the highway arguing with anybody to call or my baby mama that rolled with me. I'm just, I was, and then the police pulled me over. I'm about to get in the whole shootout with the police. Like it was just a whole rough day though because I was already mentally gone. So yeah. Yeah. But this is what I was going to say. I was real tight with Lil' Fat and Jay Money. Okay. Jay Money and my dog right now. But I'm just saying like, I was real tight with them. Like out of anybody. I was on the road. Me and GZ tight. Me and 2 Chainz tight. Me and Future tight. But I'm saying I was Jay Money and Lil' Fat. Do my niggas. So what I'm saying is this will happen. Three days before that, Jay Money had got shot nine times. Wow. So everything already turned up like in a way where you on edge. So I was fucked up. Yeah. I was fucked up. So yeah, I was fucked up. You feel me? Yeah. Like I said, these are these are the stories that nobody won't know. That's why I love podcasting because you get to hear just the damn depthness of what goes on behind the scene with each individual that we interview. You know what I'm saying? So I just love that. And then people get to see that y'all real people. And in this some rap shit. Yeah. Like them my people, but this some rap shit. Yeah. I'm from Lil Rock. I got real blood homies dying too at that time. Yeah. Yeah. I got some real street shit. Grandma dying at that time. Some gutter shit going on too at that time. Like it was shootouts. My brother had just got robbed by one of my close friends. I want to kill him. You feel me? Like at that time, like that's what it was going on. Like in my mind, you feel me? But yeah, it was. So how did you deal with all of that? Yeah. How did you make a deal with that? How did you deal with all of that? Because a lot of people when they're with a crashed out would have went and done something stupid. So how would you make it here? I did. I did. I did shit stupid. I did all type of shit. You feel me? Like I crashed out. I did the most. But. But you still here? Yes. That's why I tell folks. I don't trip about being in the boss talk to OG. You can call me uncle every time. Yeah. Hell yeah. All this gangsta shit I've been through, bro. I'll be like, hell yeah, I'm with it. Yeah. I'll be here or so. Shit. Is that why you want to turn around and now motivate people through what you do? No, hell no. I don't even be tripping about just motivating people. I ain't, I don't know motivation shit. I'm saying that I like that. Part of the game. Motivation. I like that my shit inspired. Inspired. You feel me? Like I'm glad it ain't that what it was. Got a TV. Fuck him. You heard me? You see what I'm saying? He took my shit from some shit that was going to be, couldn't play on TV. Some shit that was just me. Some gutter gang shit at the, you know. Some gangsta shit. Got a TV. Fuck him. You heard me? That shit was gangsta. The real gangsta. But you feel me? So I was like, that's what I'm saying about it. I'm glad that it turned to something positive. Something positive. Like that. You feel me? Yeah. And it's all elevation. It's like, yeah. It's evolution. Like that makes sense. But it don't happen for everybody. And what you say and what's coming from your drops and everything, it becomes you. That's something DeRoe and me talked about when he was on here. He made an ice cream paint job and he was cool with that because he knew that the things that he said would become him. If you speak certain things and you get with certain energy, that's the type of stuff that's pretty much you're going to crash out into. You're going to do those things that you speak. Tupac was one of the coldest ones that we've seen that what he said became who he was. You know, from the crater to the grave and all this different music that was going on. It ended up being something that pretty much it became who he was until his demise. Right. You see what I'm saying? So that's real, man. And that shit go like that. You know, you got to understand like this. I like the, and not even like to think, but I know for sure that I'm like the first that was on the camera tip. So when I say that, I mean like record actual situations like how this shit is going on right now. And I'm saying that like, so you got to, I know this part of it. I know that. See, I learned this when I picked up the camera, I had stopped rapping. So, so this is what I learned. I had learned like, oh, I'm sitting back. I'm smoking with my partner, Coop. And I'm like, oh, shit, Coop. I can't express myself no more like I used to. You know, I used to let my shit go through the lyrics. And then he was like, you know, he from the bay. He like, God, man, you know, you still do. You be talking hell of a shit on the camera. And I was like, damn, you're right. Damn, that's what it is. See, we don't realize this shit. We rappers, we get to talk our shit and relieve our stress that we would on the track on these, on this, right here. Are we still on the mic? You feel me? You're still on the mic. Because this shit releasing this. The shit I just said about Jay Money and Lil' Fat, I would have put that in the song. Yeah, yeah. You feel me? That ain't no shit we talk about. No, not at all. You feel me? Not at all. So, yeah. It's another way to release, man, on the camera. Yeah, yeah. So you, man, you've been around, I said, say, cheese while ago. You've been around a long time, man. You've been doing this a long time. And you built a foundation, man. How weird was it? Because we go to Vegas and everywhere. And you know, I started doing this years ago, before it was cool. Like, I was recording myself and nigga's like, who do you think he is? Got all these people recording him. I just was doing it because, hell, I don't care what people think. It was either you was cocky, or either you was lame. You feel me? Yeah, yeah. So lame niggas had the cameras. So when I started, when I grabbed the camera, niggas was like, I was too gangsta to be like, dude, lame. It was more or less like, shit, gutter, got the camera, what's up, gutter? So the shit turned lit. And that's what shit I just thought of right now. That's your truth. That's what made niggas really start talking about it. You feel me? And then my name, my name, it was my name anyway. Who gave you that name? That's just, that was my name. They gave me that name at high school. My name was DA. That was, you know what I'm saying? My initials. And shit, in high school, shit. It just started calling you guys. We was dead. We was, you know what I'm saying? We was dead. And my partner name was South. So we ended up having a group called South and Gutter. Wow. Wow. I'm loving these stories, man. This is going to be one of them warrants, man. Make sure y'all, hey, like and subscribe to our channel, man. We got gutter TV on here today, man. This thing up. So do you like the therapy through these mics on a show like this compared to the podcast rather than through rapping? Because when you rap, you let it go. And I know a lot of people use therapy, use the rap as their therapy. But when you release it, you just release it. You're not talking to somebody. You just release it. But when you're actually on a podcast, you're talking back and forth to someone. Which one do you like better? I like talking to people. You know what I'm saying? I like talking to people. I really, that ain't nothing that I just, I like talking to people that make sense. So if it's making sense, I can talk to you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you got the man to hell. He really giving us the four one one. They're going to get a GZ next, nigga. I'm going in. Okay, so how did you meet GZ? I met GZ through, was this the old GZ with the snowman T-shirts? They were big and the nigga were, yeah, that nigga was going in too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The mix thing GZ. I know a lot what's cool about, I love that shit is, yeah. He was the gangster GZ. I met the gangbanger GZ. I met the Cripp GZ. You know what I'm saying? The mix thing GZ, man. Yeah, like he was, he, he, he, him, snowman. Tropicana or his juice, man. Yeah, I don't listen. Yeah, that nigga was bad. He and bro Pete this, bro fuck with me talk. Like we on the tour bus, he ain't no nigga. Like he was, you know, that's why I say the fame different now. Yeah. Feel me? They ain't nigga be thinking they famous and they don't really be famous. They just be now on the summer, whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But saying it to say, snow used to, on the tour bus, he wouldn't even used to come out to the front. He'd just stay in the back type shit. But when he come out, it's like a movie. Like even the Us, the Homies, it's like a movie. Like that nigga, he had that star power. Hell yeah. So when he come in, you know already, oh, he in here. Yo, but I met him though through carbon 15. What's crazy carbon 15 just text me and look, I want you to read what he said. Pete this crazy. They are true story. Man, I love real time. Carbon 15. What carbon 15 said last one, bro, I'm in Dallas. If you're not out here, can you link me with somebody to get right? Yeah, man. That nigga know you go get it right. Yeah, and that just show you though I told you, this was like 2010. You know, so what I'm showing you, that show you that this shit stick. Yeah, because it was real. You know what I mean? You're a real one. He know you're a real one. Yeah, this shit stick. Like, like I said, he linked me with Jesus. You feel me? He didn't have to do that at that time. They was up. They was already gone. They was up. Yeah, yeah. That was after the left movement. This thug motivation. Yeah, yeah. They got you at that. That's the peak nigga. Yeah, this right after the trap of dies and all that shit. That's the peak. That's the peak. Yeah. Thug motivation. And then I say thug motivation. Well, he did a couple of tapes in between, but I say the thug motivation 103 in the real talk mix tape, the gangster grills. Couple of them was like the ones that I was all the way involved. Did you, what did you take from Jesus? Something that he done in business or something he done that really is something that you was like, that's dope. You know what I mean? How he was moving. How he was moving. Because I was around everybody. But nobody moved like snow. What made it different? You weren't going to be able to touch him. He made it to where you couldn't get to. And I love that because that's how I like move. I love that shit. He made it where you weren't going to be able to. Like everybody else, you can subject to walk up to him and shake him up or walk up on him like how the homie walked up on Nip or P. Nip. Yeah. Like how he was posted. Yeah. That shit had never happened to somebody like a GZ. He moved like real different. So it was like when I used to see it, like I'm his, I'm his guide at that moment. I'm his guide too. So I'm in the mix. So me seeing how, how we move. That shit gangsta. What? That ain't gonna play. You ain't feeling better to walk up on him and shake his hand or nothing? None of that. None of that. You get beat the fuck down. Well, you say that. Well, you have to be on a certain level to walk by. Listen. If you're on a level, you can walk by him because at the ward show, I remember him and Rick Ross having a little bit of history. Man, all right. Look, but I'm saying that probably because they wanted to. Oh, damn. They wanted to. I don't know. I don't know. Like, he don't move like that. But he don't move like that. I'm just saying. You see what I'm saying? You know, he already. So if he went by you, it's because he wanted to go by you. You see, he don't move like that. That nigga gangsta, boy. Respect, man. I always loved his music, man. Just a dope individual. Me too. That nigga Corral's dope. That nigga, man, that nigga said, I used to hit the kitchen lights and there was cockroaches everywhere. Now I hit the kitchen lights. Now there's marble floors everywhere. That was me right there. So I knew, I said, now me and Jesus are related. You know what I'm saying? The roaches was there. Now the marble floors, I really didn't ever make it just to the marble, but we had a lamp in it. Yeah, I knew we had a lamp in it. You could look like marble floors if you shine a light on them, right? But now just, just man, like, like you dealt with a lot of people. And you said that Boosie had gotten locked up when you had started to deal with, with Fat and Lil' Fat and all of those guys. Did you ever build a relationship with Boosie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had already met Boosie like back in the day. Yeah. How did you guys meet? My cousin, my cousin, I got a Crip cousin in Arkansas. They used to book shows. Okay. He just had money and used to book shows. And he brought, he used to bring Boosie. But I was a young nigga, you know, I'm probably 18 or something at this time. And he used to tell me about Boosie, but I used to be like, he's like, he's like, cause y'all rap shit. Y'all need to link with this little nigga that I'm fucking with. And I used to be like, man, you know, at that time, nigga, I wasn't, I wasn't on none of that type of linking with niggas and all of that. So he, he brought him one time and shit. I met with him and shit. And he was a solid little young dude. Wow. That's dope that, and how much, you know, God, man, you know, I'm a God-fearing man. Ain't gonna lie to you. The steps of a good man, all about a Lord and all that good stuff. I just know, man, when you walking in purpose, you just never know what's going to happen. But you know that it's all really much, it's pretty much pre-planned to me. That's the way I think. I feel like you walking in purpose. You know what I mean? The things you're doing is things that's already written. I already feel like things been wrote out for you and I in life. I really believe that. So when you walk through those doors, those doors already been sitting there waiting on you to walk through them. And nobody else couldn't walk through that door like you walk through it. So that's why Gutter TV is different. Gutter TV is one that pretty much paid away for a lot of young brothers, a lot of young sisters. Just the way that you moved, the management, the way that you've been dealing with the artists and all that stuff, the way that now that you peaked on, basically, you figured it out. I asked the niggas all the time, even Sean Cotton when he was on here, you know, because I had to take it to the next level. Now I gotta learn how to deal with artists. I gotta learn not only, see, because my level at first was just, we're doing pictures and all that, and we're doing visuals and all that. But now, after I've been in it so many years, now I gotta create a wave that's even on a higher level. Getting deals, basically doing things that basically help artists to go to the next level as long as they're going with me so we can all eat together, nigga. We eatin' together. You're not gonna take this plate and just run off with it. You know what I'm saying? You know, that's some shit that you just gotta work out before it starts. Yeah, you gotta be built like that right here. You just gotta work it out before it starts because like one of my industry partners, one of my mentors, I would say, told me, shit, they all gonna flip, you know what I mean? Man, you just said something. If you know that, you'll treat the situation a little better. It'll go, it'll feel a little better. It'll be all right. All right, you ready to do it? Yeah, so give me the two-chain story because you mentioned it a while ago. I'm getting all these stories like how you link because two-chain to me, the old two-chains are a little different than the new two-chain. Me and the two-chain right there, that's when the, you see, I had that true on right there. I had a damn true on over there. I'm cocking out a little bit and he stopped. We were like, man, he was like, man, we gotta take a picture because I had paid like by selling. Yeah, I had paid for that. I had, I was selling in my store. I've been here 15 years. We actually had about four stores at that time. I was killin' them, but I had the brand, nigga, I had the damn account. I was wearing true because I was selling true, nigga. You know what I'm sayin'? So he basically said like, man, we gotta take a picture because nigga, you wearing that true. He had the album out during that time, too, are you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had that nigga, he was cropping when he seen me because I would come in with that real. Yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? So how did you guys link up? How I linked with Titty. Titty boy. Okay, what's that other little nigga? I was with him another week. Remember when we was in Atlanta, that little black nigga with the bald head came in? Something like this with his partner? Yeah, what's that nigga name? The little shop bald head. Dollar. Dollar. That's him. I was with the nigga. I'm out tryin' to get the nigga on the mic. He wouldn't do nothin' because, man, I don't know. For Dollar, man, I feel like 2 Chainz blew up so much that he kinda like came figure it out. That's just my opinion, nigga. I ain't no industry, nigga. I'ma say what I'ma say. You know what I'm sayin'? Like, he just kinda can figure out how to fit. He like, I'm like, nigga, you dope. I'm that nigga gonna tell you, nigga. You need to get on his mic cause everybody looking for you. Now, where you been? And I'm like that. And he was like, nah, I can't do it. But I'll do it next time. You know how nigga gonna brush y'all. So I did other artists that day. But just bein' in the room with him and bringin' that whole era back to my head. But the Duffer Bag Boy and all that stuff, them niggas would really fly at that time, too. I really don't know how I just really got with 2 Chainz. I mean, I really know that. I know that, like, all right, I used to, my partner booked him to come to Arkansas. Y'all niggas had that money, man. So, y'all knew how to deal with that money. Yeah, so he came to Arkansas, got him to come. And you know, when niggas come, they fuckin' with me. Yeah. Yeah, so it was like that. It was kind of a situation like that. Just the fact that you basically, you know, got to meet all these different people, who was the most extraordinary person that you met that basically, you know, you seen their potential and they ended up where you thought they was gonna be? I mean, all of them. But now they just sprung up that went and you didn't, you know, it just happened fast and you're like, damn, that nigga went all the way. You could see it from day one. Yeah, I always picked the ones, man. Yeah, I'm bringing in everybody now. We for the talk. I always picked the ones, though, bro. You did? Yeah, like, it don't matter who, I'll be right. Like, I picked the ones. So, like, they all was dope. Yeah, they all made it, made it big. They all gonna make it big. They still making it big. Like, this shit ain't stop. Yeah, man, so, hey, man, and what's your name again? I gotta get it right. Gooby. Gooby is in the building, man. Bobo Luciano done stepped in, man. Bobo Luciano is one of them guys. If you don't know him, this was PFC best friend, one of them ones, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we come with, just trying to set our head as, you know, we stick our chairs out, nigga. We real men have a real conversation around it. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. That's cool. So, man, I like to just push the narrative, man, because so many people like to hear the engagement between multiple people because sometimes stuff comes out. Yeah. That it wouldn't normally come out. And you got that radio background, too. Yes, sir. You love being behind that dang mic. I used to. Yeah, I love it, man. I love it. Yeah, so, man, so, man, when he was telling the story about Boosie, I know PFC dealt with those guys that he was talking about. Yeah, yeah. You guys had ongoing conversations all the time, not by specifically that, but you knew he was down there in Baton Rouge or just dealing with those guys. What kind of memories came back when we was having these conversations? Man, I was just, I want to think about the memory. I was just listening to the man's story. Yeah, it's dope, man. He's got a good story. Man, dope. He dope. People always ask, you know, how do certain people get in certain situations? And I heard him say, nothing but God. Yeah. Because that's how my life was. People always ask me, how'd I get here? How'd I get here? How'd I get here? I was just living my life. Yeah, that's it. You know what I mean? I was just living my life. Yeah, yeah. And I was, I kind of had already knew that I just need to, all right, look, I had a saying when I was in Atlanta. I used to say this, that I had to, all right, look, Pete. This true, all right, Pete. I'm listening to you. I went to this video shoot. My mama was in Atlanta at this time and she, she's still there. She stayed there. But she, she gave me a, she gave me a ride. I needed a ride to this video shoot. This soldier boy, this Gucci man is shoddy low. I go to the video shoot and I don't know nobody. You know what I'm saying? Only person I knew at this time is Walker Flocker and I know Frenchie. Okay. I didn't meet Gucci a couple of times, but I wouldn't say we tied at that time. All right. I go to the video shoot and I had, I didn't do everything that I needed to do. Put it like this. Okay. I'm going to just cut the story short. I ended up getting back to, to my mama, around my mama, right? And I told her, I'm like, damn, I should have, I should have told Gucci to do this. You know what I'm saying? I had paid a cameraman to pull up and all this. She was like, all right. She said, nigga, you could be a shit of a cut of water. You want a nigga? Because you know, my mama got her. That's something I didn't want to go to. She's like, she's like, all right, nigga. You go around, nigga. I took you all the way out there, nigga. You should have, nigga, why you ain't do your shit? Tight shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mama like, damn. Like, so I said, all right, all right. That's it. That's like one of the moments too. Like that's one of the ones to hit me. And I'm like, all right, she right. It'll never happen again. It'll never happen again. So when I get back to my saying was when I was in Atlanta, I used to say to myself, like, so say, like, if I see somebody like Rocco or something, right? And me and Rocco tight, you know what I mean? But say I see somebody like Rocco at that time. And I'm young. I'm 21 or something. But I'd be like, I'm sitting down, smoking, chilling or whatever. But I'd say, hey, man, quit playing with yourself. You from Little Rock. You a gang. You a blood. You just a street nigga. Man, you don't see these type of niggas. Go Holler, bro. Yeah. I got to check myself and tell myself that. Yeah. And I go Holler them. This ain't. It was never no group be shit. No, nothing. Because at the same time, I'm a gangster. So I'm saying it just more or less like, let me Holler niggas. Just to see what niggas own. Like, what's up, bro? What you on? What you doing? I see what you doing. Like, need to get your number, nigga. I pull up whatever you feel me? Yeah. That's how it happens. Because I had to tell myself that because in my city in Little Rock, I'm not seeing niggas. Niggas is not out. Yeah. So I had to check myself. Like, if I'm going to be here, gone fuck with people. No. That's dope. You feel me? So that was more or less like, you know, reaching out. I know the feeling you had. It was like, you know. He was there being a gangster. He had to come out that gangster closet. Had to. Yeah, I know what you, I know that feeling. Had to. Yeah. You had, you got to open up and gone fuck with people. It took a long time for me to do that, too, E. Yeah. It took a while. Oh, my God. Yeah. Because I'd be around people just in the cut. Yeah. Just sitting there. Yeah. Long time. And I know that feeling. I can relate to people. And then when you leave, you like, damn, I should have fucked with a boy. You're stronger. Yeah. That is, that is Drake. Damn, I'm tripping. Yep. Yeah. What was the situation? You should have said that. You should have said that. Come on, Robin. You know how many people I've been around? I'm like, give me an instance. Shit. I mean, I can tell you about just one not too long ago, because it can always happen at any time. Yeah. I mean, just at the rodeo. Okay. Been around J. Prince. Yeah. I'm talking, I'm calling it everybody. Everybody. Everybody. I get around J. Prince. DJ Bird called, he saw J. Prince. And J. Prince saw DJ Bird. They like eyes. And he shoot straight over there to Bird. Me and Bird stand right next to each other. I'm like. You didn't take advantage of it. First time in my life, I would do that right there. You froze. I feel it though. I should have seen it though. I should have seen it though. You should have seen it, but you should have seen it. He thought about things he should have did though. After the facts. You know what I mean? After the facts. I get it. I get it. I actually did it the other day at the barbershop. It would be like if I met Prince. The baby was pulling up when he jumped when he was out the car. I told my dog, I said, man, stop the car, man. I jumped out and I went over and I hollered at him. No, you did it right. You did it right. You did it right. Because you know, you just got to go with they mood. You just got to cut thinking shit. It's just some groupie shit or some dick rides. Yeah. You got to know like, I ain't no mechanic. I ain't no doctor. I'm trying to be in this entertainment. Let me fuck with entertainers. No. Right, stop playing. When I sell weed, I want to fuck with niggas that buy weed. That's so true, man. Yeah. So, hey, man, so like you guys, man, like I said, man, what did you do different as years went on with gutter TV? Because you got a brand. You know what I mean? This is a brand. This is a world, definitely a United States thing, but it's in other different countries too. Because you're on that internet. So at the end of the day, what have you done lately? What have you done for me lately? What have you done lately to make gutter TV be able to stick around with me? Yeah. I mean, I just was behind so many of the new youngsters that came up. So say like, after, let's go, I can go to 2013, I had to start doing like a lot of bad and real artists. You know what I mean? Like, I just been behind the scene, putting niggas in situations, putting a lot of shit together. Like, and then like staying relevant ain't never been an issue for me. You know, it's kind of more or less like people don't get it, but staying relevant really just still working. People that ain't relevant, they ain't really doing it. They quit. That's the thing. They really sitting there somewhere. When they money went low, they quit. Yeah. And I'm like, see, because people be sad about that. You got to understand a lot of people that had millions, had hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands. It did where your money go low. They feel so embarrassed to keep trying to hustle. Man, you got to keep going. You got to understand, listen, I know so many old millionaires, there was millionaires, niggas that still millionaires. The thing about money is this. Once you get to playing with the millions and hundreds of thousands, this shit don't stop. We keep going. If you know how to hustle, you're going to keep playing with the same amount of money, man. It's going to still keep coming around. You just got to stay active. I agree with that. Another thing that kept getting relevant was the streets. If you pay attention to all the niggas that still having a run in this rap shit is real street niggas. You know, like Tip Boosie, Rick Ross, GZ. The niggas never fell off because the streets, when you got the streets and the streets of Bracew, and you raising these kids, like when niggas, niggas like me, I grew up to Boosie and Webby and all that shit. They can't fall off. They can't lose. You know what I'm saying? They got the streets. No, the streets don't fall now. The streets don't fall. You ain't going to fall off. No, that's the main thing though. No, it's the streets. It ain't like your audience. You know, anytime the new artist drop, he going to be there. No, Boosie, everywhere I go. And it's like, I keep doing it. So say like the Finesse two times. And say like, I had a hell of a year, 2016, 2017, I had Sancho, one of the South Twins, East Side, Shawty at that time, had Finesse two times from Memphis. Like, then I started with Dillon, King Dillon, Wooter. Like they did real good. And then it's like, you know, like I had so many different little artists that was, and then I was the young Dolph, you know what I'm saying? Around that same time, Key Glock, it just had started. How damn Key Glock, that's my guy right there. Like, I was in that, I'm still in that mix. So say like, when Key Glock came, Dolph, Dolph them call me. Dolph like, hey, God, I need to come fuck on my young nigga. He finna go. Yeah. I told the daddy, yo daddy, yo like, pull up with your Memphis like this, pull up, meet Key Glock, young nigga. I ain't got no songs out of nothing really like that. He probably got like a couple songs, but he fresh feel me, but they like, he finna go. And shit, I can feel his energy though. Yeah. Let me ask you something with Dolph, and you knowing each other, I don't know how you guys connected, but I'm pretty sure. I tell you, Dolph got a cold story. Give me that cold story then, because that's a serious one, because RIP to Dolph, man, that was one, I was a big Dolph fan. She probably got sick of me playing that stuff here. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? But Key Glock, that's my nigga like, you know, I never got to meet him, but I just loved that story, baby. Yeah. Yeah, I was a fan too, bro. You was. Oh my God. But I ain't gonna lie. I was a more of a Key Glock fan. I don't know what that is. Yeah. But I just did nothing. Because he liked the newer version of Dolph. I just, I just, when I heard, I had already heard Dolph, but when Key Glock came on the scene, I was like, this nigga right here, the one, and I'm like, nigga, I'm too old for this. You know what I'm saying? You just don't use it. You just don't use it. I love the way that he would rap him, bro. Yeah. I, um. But give me the Dolph story first. I, uh, Dolph, Dolph. All right, I, um. I'm coming from, at this time, I used to travel back from Atlanta to Little Rock all the time. Little Rock, Atlanta, Little Rock, Little Rock, Little Rock, Little Rock. You feel me? And in between is, is, in between is Memphis. You feel me? So boom. Every time that I'm going to, every time I'm, I put it like this, I'm going so much, I keep the same route. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. If niggas travel, they know what I'm saying. I know what you're talking about. I stopped at the same gas stations. I did the same shit because I'm on the same, it's a seven, eight hour ride. So boom. When I get to Memphis this time, I got some smoke on me. You know what I'm saying? Because at this time, Atlanta got this, this shit called Black Cush. It's like black, it's some shit that's strong. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I got some smoke on me. So I get to the, my love's gas station that I stopped at on Lamar Boulevard in the, I mean, in Memphis. In Memphis. Right. And I'm coming, I, you know, me, I'm young at this time too. So I'm thugging, you know what I'm saying? I hop out the car. I'm bumping music and shit. Door swing open. You feel me? Yeah. I ain't doing no, I had just started smoking right then. See, cause my thing was if I'm a ride with weed, I can't smoke the whole eight hours. For Memphis, the Little Rock is two hours. So I'm like, I can smoke for Memphis, the Little Rock. I take that two hour risk. Yeah, yeah. I ain't gonna smoke the whole time. Young niggas know that. You feel me? You ain't give me. Sometimes you gotta wait. You feel me? Like sometimes you can't smoke it all. Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. But I, so saying that to say, boom, I had started smoking. I'm in Memphis. Shit, I didn't let that motherfucker pull at the gas station. I'm bumping. I walk in the gas station. When I walk in, I walk past the car. You know what I'm saying? A black Cadillac. I walk past the car. I come back out. Young niggas like, come out the window like, I ain't nigga, what you smoking? You know what I'm saying? And I was like, I was like, nigga, that's that strong. You know what I'm saying? This that real, real. I said it like, nigga, I'll bet it. Nigga said this the whole lot. That nigga said, what you smoking? So I'm like, nigga, don't smoke this thing. That's it. I'm like, but I got a heat in my car. You gotta hide it. So I don't want to get it. You know, when you hide it, this shit hard to put back. I don't. So I said, damn, man. This nigga just seemed like a player though. Like, I'm like, this nigga seen like a player, man. Fuck it. So I get the smoke. I show bro the smoke. Bro like, man, let me buy this shit. You know what I'm saying? I say, man, I really gotta take that shit home. Man, my brother, my brother won't die. I got it. I need this. This is what I'm smoking. You feel me? My personal stance. Man, come on, man. The nigga said, let me buy this shit. The nigga was so cool and so player. I got, I sold it to him and just, you know, that's just, that's it. That's how I met Doth. That's a real story how I met Doth. But at the same time, I'm saying it to say, nigga handed me a flyer in the CD. Yeah. And I'm like, all right, I'm going to check you out, nigga. You know what I'm saying? I'm in the, I'm in Atlanta. I'm doing my shit. He like, hey, I'm going to shoot a video with pure passion. Pull up on me. If you got time. So I'm like, damn, I really ain't got time. But I'm going to holler at my partner in Memphis. So I say, fuck it. I'm going to go holler at my nigga in Memphis. I'm going to let him hear the CD. If my nigga fucking with it, I'm going to pull up. When I pull over there, my nigga say, hell no, I do trash when I play the song. You feel me? But I understood that because Doth's shit sounded real unorthodox at that time. You feel me? This like hot class street music or something like that. But long story short, I believed in it. I'm like, man, this nigga, I met this nigga. This nigga, he's solid nigga. I pull up to the pure passion, link with him. Just, he just, just G, feel me? After that, we just stayed in contact. He has something going. He dropped South Memphis kingpin. He like, hey, I'm from the drama city. I got a release party, pull up. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm near, I'm from the dude. You know, he just started hitting me and that shit just kept going. You know what you should have just said? Real, recognized, real. Real, recognized. Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm talking about? For sure. That's what that was. That's what that was. God, I put you, you can't explain that. You can't explain that. You can't even explain that at all. And so, and I got to go back into it a little bit. Just the day when Dolph was murdered, how was that for you hearing that, knowing and having a relationship with him? That was one of them days too. I was fucked up. Because you know, I was just with him though, like me and Dolph had got sued in Key Club. Me, Dolph and Key Club got sued. Together. Nobody know this. Because this ain't nothing we never talked about. Wow. But I did see a blogger try to post it one day, but they ain't have enough followers. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't liking or nothing. I'm just saying, hey, look, damn, somebody know. Because they posted like the record. Like, they say our real names and, you know, like the real fair, like, but yeah, we ain't got sued. You know what I'm saying? And let me tell you, this is a cold store. Key Club didn't even show up to trial, right? And the judge was hot. He kept saying, Dolph, he kept telling Dolph. He was like, it's me, Dolph and Daddy on court. You know what I'm saying? And we had to pay Lord, big money for our lawyers. We got sued for a concert. Okay. Somebody said we didn't come to a concert in time. I was the host. They was performing, right? And they lied though. But what I learned was it really didn't matter. It's really about if you got enough money to really take niggas to court for real. And he had enough money. You feel me? He was already a millionaire. He just took us to court because he felt disrespected. Yeah. Because I went out for them though. I keep it real. I went out for them. But and he felt disrespected. So we sued us. Boom. We get the court judge like, I mean, I ain't gonna lie. Y'all don't want to go to trial, trial because y'all gonna lose. Yeah. Me and Dolph and them, it's like, damn. We looking at each other the whole time because the judge was saying weird shit though. He was saying shit like, I know y'all want to, y'all ready to get up out of here and go pop some bottles and you know what I'm saying? What's he doing? He ain't playing games. This was a federal court in Little Rock in Arkansas. This was he playing games. Yeah. He was in that. He was like, I like to kick it. I just drank a wine. I know y'all drink that hard liquor and champagne. Wow. This was a judge saying, me and Dolph looking at each other laughing like a motherfucker. We like, a good trip. Long story short, them folks make us pay $60,000. Okay. Dolph real. Tell you what, my lawyer came to me first in court when the judge came back in the room because the other dude said he gonna be in the other room because he feel like we a threat. Like we might hurt him. We was like, what the fuck this shit weird? Why are you acting like that? So boom. So when the judge come back in and say something, he like, y'all got to offer. Dolph looking at me, he like, but you know, I'm like, y'all nigga rich. Hey, so look, look, though, the niggas say, Dolph real though. They niggas say, hey, squash it. Tell him I'm gonna give him $25,000. That what Dolph said. He said, tell him I'm gonna give him $25,000. Judge was like, okay, okay. He said, all right, boom. So he went over there. He came back. He like, nope. But he said he don't want $25,000. That's not enough. Me and Dolph like, oh, that's bullshit. This nigga tripping. Now ain't tripping. Feel me because he lying out the gate. But I, long story short, they come to us and end up saying we got to pay $60,000. Dolph was like, man, just give me whatever you got. I ain't doing no tripping nigga. I'm gonna pay the risk. Wow. I say that. That's what I say. Wow. I ain't gotta say, he said, give me whatever you got. I'm gonna pay the risk. Wow. And not even though no, it wasn't no, you ain't got it. Because at this moment too, I'm up to it this moment too. Like up, up. So it was more or less like, it was more or less like, we both could have paid it. But the way he came to me, he was like, they trying to sue me. Feel me? They just putting you in the mix because you booked it. Yeah. Feel me? He like, they suing me. So nigga, look, if you want to put something on it, what you got on it, you can do whatever you want. Nigga, I ain't doing no tripping. And shit, I want to just get it over with anyway. So she. Yeah. And that shows what type of character he had. But this happened two months, three months before he died. Like two months or something. So it was more or less like, when you say what happened, how I felt, yeah, I was fucked up. Not just because of that. I really knew, bro, too. That was from that time at that love gas station. It was like 2012 or 2013. So y'all had built a crazy relationship. Yeah, that was a long time. That was 2012 or something. Yeah, that's a long road. That's a long road. You feel me? And this guy, he's helping promote and do all of it. Because that's the way he definitely stands in the midst. You mean from the beginning? Yeah. No, for sure. Man. I just, and like, all these people that was around, that's around, too. Like, I knew all them people, too. Like, the ones that's still there. Like, I still, I knew all of them well. Yeah, yeah. Man, that's dope, man. I just appreciate that story, too, man. But he paid for it. He paid for my support, Glock part. Because it wasn't just me. Key Glock had to pay, too. He paid for Key Glock part. He paid for my part. Ian O'Daddyo. He paid for everybody's part. That, that, that looks like... Well, he ain't paid the whole thing, because I paid, you know what I'm saying? And honestly, since we on here at Muffler gonna be talking, I had paid, like, this honest. I paid, like, $7,500. Okay. Y'all paid the risk. That's real. Damn. But I paid my lawyers, too. Yeah, yeah. My lawyers, because I had to get loyal up, I had to get two lawyers at the time to get, to do that case. Wow. And they both charged probably like $5,000 each. But think about it, man. Just besides all that, just the time spending with him, even during that time. Nah, that was great. That was great. And I got that shit in my phone. Like, that's important. More important than the money. Oh, yeah. You have the memories. The memories of time. Shit you gotta get. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I got that shit in my phone. I could show you, like, when we was actually in court. Like, you feel me? Like, texting each other and all that. Because the thing was, we couldn't have our phone, right? But right before it was time to go to court that morning, both our lawyers came together. He had a black lawyer from Memphis. They came to my lawyers and said, we got some type of form where y'all can take y'all phones in. Because, you know, it's federal court. They don't let you do nothing in that bitch. Like, walking in there is serious. It's serious. Nigga, you gotta leave your kid down there. Like, I think you do gotta leave your kid. Like, you gotta leave everything. Like, but we gotta take our phone. So, I feel him a little bit. You know what I mean? Because I'm thinking too. I'm in this bitch like, I'm getting sued. I'm mad. But I'm like, damn. So you got behind the scene footage with you and Dom Spinger. Yeah, I'm like, I'm getting sued with Dom for dough. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? That's right. You'll never get back. That's dope, bro. I feel him. So, Gutter TV, are you ever going to be... You good? Oh, yeah. I'll come to my man. Gutter TV, do you ever think that you guys would do a small documentary or something just on you and your legacy and your brand? Yeah, yeah, for sure. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want a book. Like, I'm... Yeah, and a book. But I'm going to wait on the book. Because what I told, like I told my... I'll tell somebody like my assistant or my, you know, or my mama or something, somebody that I can have long conversations with. I'll tell them something like, I got to hit a real big, big lick first and then I'll write the book. And I mean, when I say big lick, I mean over a $10 million lick or something. You hear me? Then I'll write the book. You have so many elements to you, you know, for us now dealing with the artists, managing artists. I don't have a little brook on here, since, say, Molly. What, I mean, I remember having a little brook on here and she was like dealing with Def Jam during the time when she was dealing with them that they didn't... They felt like they couldn't get certain things done in certain ways. How hard is it to deal with managing artists and they trying to do different things and then you having to be in the midst of it trying to help figure it all out? Well, you know, shit, it really was more or less me figuring it out and then relaying them the message, you know what I mean? So how hard was it dealing with the labels? Well, to keep it really, really hard. Like, I'm tight with Def Jam. They're my people right now. And the people who signed us, but now not the A&R that found us. I mean, I'm tight with him too, but I'm saying he relevant type shit. But I'm saying it really wasn't that hard. It was more or less like they just saying I always come through. That's it. Labels don't always come through like they said. Like they say. Sometimes they say you have a great hour conversation with their ass and they'll be saying how we finna shoot this and do this. We're gonna come down to, they like, hey, I'm gonna come down their gutter. We're gonna bring the cameras. We're gonna light the girls on fire. We're gonna bring them to Texas. We're gonna bring MTV. And then she, they don't even come. No, they don't shit happen. Yeah, you're saying that too. You're like, man, what y'all just was it? Y'all just hyping us up or something. I was gonna ask you about them job moments too. Like with pimping them job moments, him and you, Bun B, I heard the album, nigga. I know it was some issues. It was some issues. Always. So that's what I'm saying. Just dealing with the labels. How much frustration did you see Pimp and Bun go through for? From day one. From day one. From day one. Because he said when they signed the contract or something, Bun, I remember him saying, somebody told him they messed up, right? I think it was K.R.S.1. Yeah, that's what it was. Say, did y'all sign yet? Damn. You don't. Damn. Yeah, damn. Damn. What that mean? You know what that mean? That's right. I heard that story. It was like, he was like, when he walked out the door. Soon as they walked out the door, it was more or less like, damn, y'all signed already? Yeah. Because damn. I'm coming in this bitch complaining, really. That's how you see it. Oh, damn. I just signed. Yeah, I should. So I'm coming here to complain. So I gotta ask you this. Gutter TV, really just like, when you think about like, like the times of what, because you are OG in the game, think about where people were originally when they first started signing the 360 deals. Yeah, that's that courtroom. Mm-hmm. That's daddy, yo. That's Doff. Yeah, y'all in there together. Wow. That's crazy. That's crazy footage, man. This is me and Doff outside of the courtroom. Y'all out there chilling. Yeah, Art Street. Little rough. See, he always recording, too. Yeah, you gotta have this shit. Yep, yep. See, because you know, it's something I learned back in the day. When I used to be around all my partners, see, Walker was just my partner. Okay. He's just my partner. We just gang bang together and just my partner. Like, that's my little homie. And at the time, see, I used to think about it like, damn, when I, because, and you know, he would Gucci every day. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So at that time, I'm around Gucci a lot, too. So I tell my brother that shit at the crib, you know, my brother at the house, they doing that thing in the rock. They, they, you feel me? Yeah. Excuse me. I tell them about what I'm doing. And they'll be like, man, nigga, you ain't, you know. Oh, yeah. Nigga, you ain't, you know. Yeah, okay. Nigga. It's like a life for you. Yeah. Either, either like they don't care or you ain't doing it for real. Like that ain't what you're doing. Because you got, like I said, Instagram shit wasn't going. Yeah. So people ain't. Yeah. Boom. So that's what I said to say. I had used to realize then like, man, if I'm with Gooby, if I'm with Walker or something, let me film some of this shit. I'm going to show these folks what the fuck I'm doing at the same time. Because you got to think we sit around regular, normal people all day, feel me? And we film them too. Yeah. I'm talking about regular friends, regular people. Oh, yeah. So you got to think just like if you take a, a, a, a, a, a scrappy getting trip, right? You go to St. Thomas, one of them type good little places, right? You're going to be filming the beach and the shit. You know why? Because you got to realize who you're around and what you're doing. No. And that's what it is. When y'all niggas sitting and y'all riding with these new little superstars and y'all around the little babies and the Sensei Mollies and the, may y'all better film that shit? These folks stars in the making. What the fuck you sitting around them playing for? That's so true. What is you sitting around them playing for? That's true. That's so true. Man, I got shit right now from so many people that my son can sell or have or whatever. Some real shit. That's a legacy. Like when I sit around the NBA players or something, I make them niggas sign everything. What am I around this NBA nigga for when I ain't had his nigga sign something? But you're a hustler. But I'm saying. You grew into that. But niggas be sitting around thinking that they just dick-riding if they ask the nigga for a picture or a autograph or anything. They not even thinking I can sell this shit. And nowadays they got the NFTs and shit. Man, get you some shit this wonderful kind with some of these niggas. Quit acting off, get off your ass and quit. Man, get on your hustle. Say that's gutter TV now. For reals. Hey, he's spitting real. Nigga, you got quit playing with yourself. You got to be comfortable with who you is. I'm comfortable with it. I know I'm bigger starting damn than whoever I talk to. That's the way I feel. So I don't care. I'm just talking to you. I ain't talking to you because of that. I'm talking to you because we both on the same shit or I'm here. Because I ain't under you. Never. Never. I don't give a damn who it is. And that's the way I am. Shout out to that boy gutter TV for being like me. Nigga. Now let's stop playing this for real. Nigga ain't intimidated by the moment. They just regular people. They put on their pants one foot at a time. I always thought like that. That's why you see everything like it is here. Because I never see no high step. I step. I don't matter. And when I come in the room, I've been in the room with Birdman. I was in the room and they still, they were hollering at me. Me too. Me too. Me too. I shut that thing down. Me too. They like, oh, I said, damn. I must really be. Oh, I'm that nigga. I'm that nigga. Man, stop playing. I'm that nigga, man. That's the way you got to be. I'm that nigga. Because if you don't think it, who going to think it? Yeah, you got to think it, bro. Go be how you is in there. You in there. You got the same bottles that the other rap niggas got. You got the same jewelry. You got any better jewelry or whatever. Yeah. When I walk in the room, you going to feel me. That's it. You going to feel me. I don't get fuck who you is. They going to be, who the fuck is them little niggas over there? What they doing? Yeah. You feel me? Yeah. And we going to, I don't think I might see you a bottle nigga. That I got a picture right around the corner right there. It was T.I. and all of them and drummer boy and all of them. And I came in with my niggas and we had them all white. The picture right around that corner. We just some niggas from Texas. But when we showed up, it wasn't an all white party. But we made it that. And when we showed it, about 2018, 20, she remember this picture. It shot up all over the internet. But the niggas came, just started coming, trying to figure out who we were. Drummer boy was one of the main niggas. Man, who y'all is? Man, God, dang, y'all shutting this whole down. Because of the way our energy was when we tell them. It shut the whole thing. And the next day, when we seen everybody at the event, we was in at the next day. They were like, damn, that's them niggas right there. But guess what? They shut that whole down. Guess what big dog was that? If you ain't got that, then that's cool. Feel me? Everybody ain't built like that. Because some people ain't got that. Now everybody ain't built like that. And that's cool though. Just be regular. Because we need them regular ones. We need them regular ones. Like, you feel me? Like, if you don't feel like you the star in the club, then you the regular person in the club. It don't matter who it is. And that's cool. Then just be that person. Because we need them. And I fuck with them really harder than the other people that think they the stars. Well, they're going to support you on it. Well, they're going to support you on it. Yeah, so, you know what I'm saying? Customers. Yeah, for sure. Man, hey, man. So, man, just looking at everything that we've talked about today, man. You know, man, this Dallas, we in Dallas, Texas, really. And when you think about the movement of the music and just all around right now, how do you feel about the music and where it's at? Like, is them hit records coming out? Where is music at right now? I ask you and you the same question. Is this, hold on. Is this for Dallas? No, this is just for everything. Oh, I want to know about Dallas. That'll be a good question. Well, we can talk about Dallas first, but I want to hear his overall, but that nigga know a lot. You're saying overall, no. Right now, let's talk about Dallas. Let's talk about Dallas. We going over all next. All right, Dallas, what though? Like, is it? Like, the music. Hip-hop scene. What do you think? Dallas. I feel like, I feel like, don't hold back. Don't hold back. That's the truth. I feel like, I feel like, you know, that 2017, when I was telling you Finesse two times and all the moments, I had like Trap Boy Freddy too. Like, I was, I was, I was, you know, one of them ones. Like, when I get a hold to you, we going to work. Yeah. If not every week, every other week, you and you going to be together. Yeah, I'm going to Trap Boy and Dolph had a relationship too. Yeah, so, so, so, so Pete. So, I felt like at that time, Dallas too, I could feel the vibe of how it was going. It had a main wave. Like, it was main. And, you know, I had just Link with the Go-Ye-Yo and all that. So, it was main out here. But as of right now, it's kind of like, When you say mean, what you mean? It was raw. Like, this was, could have been the next Elano type shit. Yeah. Yeah. I seen it up there. Feel me? Like, it was, it was, it has a shit. Next to pop. We were both. This motherfucker was going, it could have been the next Memphis or whatever the case was. Yes. It was, it was there. And then all of a sudden, I knew the dancing shit was going to stop, right? Yeah. Because that shit, I've been seeing that a long time. You feel me? Like, I didn't sing shit. I was, I was right there with swag surfing. My partner signed them. I seen it. I was at the video shoot. I know them niggas personally. I know the song. You know, everything about it. But I'm saying, I know the dancing shit. And it stops. It never lasts. It never lasts. It stops. So, I knew that part of it was going to stop. You feel me? Like, because it had like the J-Money, the 1040. He was going crazy with the people dancing and all the little kids out here was dancing. Like 10K cast, all of them was out here. But I knew that was going to slow down, but I knew the rap shit could keep going. The rap shit slowed down to, the dancing shit slowed down. Now Dallas is just Dallas again. It even made the club slow down. See, cause I was just telling my little blur homie at the spot before I came out here, I said, damn, any other time I used to come out here to Dallas, we'll be going out regardless tonight. It doesn't matter if Niggas was sick or Niggas didn't want to at night. Niggas, we're going to throw some money or something. But now Niggas come out here, see Niggas like, I ain't trying to go to the club. Or if they trying to go, they like, we got, can we bring our drink? Go to, can we bring our stick? You know, Niggas like, I'm like, damn, this shit just didn't change real quick. We have to get that back. That's my, that's my take on Dallas right now. It's just, it's kind of like, We need that. It ain't as, it ain't as cool as it was getting. It was getting real cool out this bitch. You know what I mean? What you think, bro? They waiting on me. They waiting on you. You from Dallas? You from Dallas. You from Dallas. I'm from Flint, Michigan, but I've been here for a second. Oh, my family from Flint. I've headed my flag in around the city. Yeah, they baby. Flint, Michigan in the building, man. So you, you feel like they're just waiting on you. They wave, you see the wide open lane, right? Oh, they ready. Yeah. They ready. Wow. What do you think? Why you, why you saying, but I'm on it from the OG. Bro, you know, when I went to that, he was at the rodeo. Yeah. The rodeo. The rodeo made me just sit back and just think about. That's the shit. You got shot up? No, no, no, no, no, no. He was with Bombini. I did rodeo. I did kicky and all that. Co-co-co. Well, that rodeo was so big, man. And like I told this, I told this guy this the other day that no one, but I'm told me this after the show. I think I talked to him. Yeah, yeah, you talked to me. Nobody on that show ever had a number one song ever. And you got to hear the lineup that was on that show. I mean. But they put 73,600 people in there. Fast forward to what we're doing in Dallas two weeks ago. We have a deal where we got all our pretty much out of our big store, Pugilucci. Who was that? Lil Ronnie. Lil Ronnie was there. Fat Pimp was there. But it was about 200 people in that row. In a place that hold over 1,000, there's no support from the city. There's no support from the fans. The artists don't have the grind that they should have. Some of them. The ones that's going to make the good music on grind. Good music on bubble up anyway. Don't you agree? If you make a hit, it's undeniable. I'm going to be honest with you. I remember when a dude in my job told me about trap. They said, man, I like this little thing. Get rid of my hat trap. Trap boy, Freddie, listen to him. It's okay. I'll listen to him. He talked about drugs too much, though, but I like him. So I listened to him. And one of the songs on there had yellow BZ on it. Mm hmm. Listen to this shit. I'm saying, I like this nigga style. So I started gravitating to a yellow BZ shit. And his style started being more something that I knew was more marketable. Not with some trap. That's my nigga. But I knew yellow BZ had something. Mm hmm. That's undeniable. You know what I mean? And that's how I felt about trap. On my end, you feel me? Yeah, yeah. Tell me, I knew yellow had something because he used to come around too. But at that time, I was fucking hard with trap. And I still fucking trap tough right now. But I just knew like, I knew he was... He dropped the right song. And then it was this, though. I pull up on him, though, bro. And he really over there hustling, bro. Like I'm saying like, he got CDs. He got T-shirts. He got like, bro, that was the old school hustle that I was used to. So this nigga really... Everybody don't do that. No, this nigga was really hustling. So I'm like, man, this nigga, it don't matter what a nigga say. This nigga right here gonna make it. He really rap hustling. Well, he's still gonna make it. Yeah, niggas didn't know how to... Niggas didn't know how to rap. These niggas don't know how to rap hustle. Not up here. Then they go rap hustling. Not up here, man. Yeah, a lot. That was a white collar city, man. We more corporate, man. And like now in Houston, I said it last time I was here. Them boys will roll up their sleeves and they come from a harder struggle than where we came from. Bro, look, I sit over there at Trap Boys Spot and I see him sit over there and people will call and be like, are you there? And people will pull up by a CD for $10 or $20. They'll buy a shirt or something to and then leave. Boom, somebody else will pull up. I'm like, damn, this nigga got a trap without selling drugs. He's selling rap. But he going hard. He rolling. Yeah. That nigga rolling. I know what you're up to. Like, he was rolling, nigga. Like, nigga, I was impressed, nigga. I was like, this nigga, he a gutter boy. That nigga hard for... I already, like I said, I love the way he hustle, too. You know, I sit in the city and he don't stop. And he move through the city like a real cat. Yeah, like that's it. He don't act like I'm superstars. I see him travel. Well, he was in jail the other day. They had it on the ground. But he was cutting up. He was yelling that shit. He was yelling on the ground. I told you, I told you about the time I was at work. At the car dealership. He come through the front door. Yeah. I said, you know, I got you. I'm right over. Cool brother. Cool brother, man. There you go. He was up there to get a part for a call. Over all up. Yeah, he just... Regal cat, bro. Over all, though, with music, though. What was the question again? Just overall, how do you think music is looking on a whole far as, far as, you know, like the hits, the way the algorithm is going. Just basically give me a breakdown of what you think about it. Because you've seen it from when it was totally when it was cheesy. And that era was crazy. Crazy. And then even the Gucci era was crazy. These eras was crazy, man. And then before them. Compared to them. The Ludacris era was crazy. The T.I. era was crazy. What do you think about where we are today with the way music is moving? I don't know. I think it's a little slow. I think it's a little slow. Yeah, yeah. I think it's a little slow. Everybody want to kill each other, you know what I'm saying? All they talk about is shit. They do. Damn, my buddy put some up the other day on Facebook calling murder music. Yeah. All right, y'all. That's shooting my bank bank shit. That's what I was. I say this, it's a little... As long as if we can get us about 10 more rye waves, we'll be all right. Wow, you like that rye wave? Oh, he jamming. Oh, he, he, he, he liked the young man. What do you think about T.Rail? What do you think about the rest of the show? And they all got kind of similar styles. Yeah, Emmeray. Emmeray as well. Them are my partners. I like all them niggas, I know them personally. Like I knew the rest when he was a debo. I'd been T.Rail. I've been on him for even like them to start it. Like, so I know them niggas personally, personally. Like T.Rail them been in my house house. That's a whole movement. But rye wave though, like I said, if we can get us 10 more rye waves, we'll be all right out here. And not just that type of sound. I'm talking about what he talking about. Feel me? Like, I ain't talking about just the sound. The sound you talking about. I'm talking about what he talking about. Like, yeah, like, man, come on, man. But go to TV. I'm gonna break you all the way down, man. Give me my top three artists of all time, dead or alive. Number one. Damn. You gonna go like that. That's tough. That was a three. What number one mean, though? This is my number one artist. Number one artist. Wait a minute, though. Let me ask you a question. Any genre, too. I heard something on your show. What's that? Damn. And I'm gonna give you some. I'm gonna make a suggestion. You better talk to that woman over there. No, no, no, no. Get him. No, no, it's something. This is that. Put your ears on. No, no, it's something about what you're doing right now. Go ahead. Go ahead. The dude from the Gatekeeper list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how he say he took J-Prince? And you ought to take punk and biggie out. No, no. They in their own zone, bro. I ain't taking them out. They in their own zone. I ain't taking them out. I want to hear everybody's output. We want to keep them legacies going. If I'm taking anybody out, for me, I'm taking PMC out, because that's what it is for me. Well, that's what I'm saying. But we're not. We're giving everybody the opportunity to choose their number one of all times. So you're saying, so look, you only got three? No, only got three. And I don't want no more. All right. I mean, number one, Jay-Z. What? All the time, Jay-Z. That's the best rapper ever. What is that man's opinion? Let him go. I get it. That's the best rapper ever. Number two. And he got his, I value his opinion, dude. Number two, Tupac. Reason being, I listen to him right now. More than I listen to either a whole lot of shit. So, number three. Like, this means some all-time shit. Like, damn, that's a cold one. Like, I'm going to go boozy. Boozy? Man, that boy came in sliding boozy. I'm going to go boozy. So that's one, two, and three, man. Jay-Z, Tupac, and boozy, man. That's my boy, Gutter TV's top three, man. It went down. So, I'm saying, look, because top three is hard. I know. Because you know, I think, look, everything should be top five. No, no, no. Because of the basketball. You know, like, everybody do top five. But Ice Cube do the three. Ice Cube do three. Ice Cube don't do three, you know. No, that's cool, though. That's number three. No, that's cool. Three of them, though. Because five will have a nigga thinking too much. They can even do all of the back. That's cool. But, hey, man, you on Boss Talk 101, man. It's your first time on, man. What do you think about it? You've been watching our moves, what we've been doing. You know what I'm saying? Hang on a lot. I like what y'all got going. Like, I like how you come. You know what I'm saying? I had seen, I had a drive here. So, I seen, like, you had the niggas on here arguing. Oh, yeah, we had a bunch of gang bangers and shit on here arguing. I'm going to make it saucy. I'll bring four niggas up to the table going down. So, I was like, damn, I like how big dog handling that shit. Because at the end of the day, what I peep was, throughout anything that you got going on, rather than deal more, whoever you interviewing, you won't get in the mix. You kind of let us run off at our lips, you know what I mean? And then if you got something to chime in, you chime in. But you pretty much let niggas say whatever they want to say, though. You ain't forcing this shit about a niggas. You know what I'm saying? But I fuck with it. Overall, y'all got a nice show. Thank you, man. Today I mean a lot coming from you, man. I like how y'all feed off each other. I like how y'all got the cameras set up. You know, like, when you come in and see shit like this, that shit may be business. So, pink, let me get you a uh. Let me get y'all out of fact. Let me get y'all a uh. This is a game for y'all. And this ain't just for y'all. This is for everybody. Fill me and everybody watching. I told my partner the other day, he DJ. OK. And he was like, um, bro, they starting to get on me hard. And I was like, all right, look, one key thing. He was like, give me some advice. I said, one key thing I say is take your time. Take your time setting up. Take your time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? All right, so, Pete, this will help, too. If you know what I'm saying, I said, take your time setting up. I don't know how or who, where I learned it. I could have just learned this myself because I knew it like myself. But I learned that if you take time with the setup, people feel like the shit more realer. Feel me? Yes. OK. So saying it to say, first setup could be just the banners and the cameras and all that. That's the setup. But I'm talking about the setup as of having a nigga sit down, give him water, give him drink. The experience. Hook up cameras. Tell people from the back, hey, hey, bring that. You probably don't even need that. But the setup, if you make the, like I told my partner, when he's setting up his DJ shit, don't talk to nobody. He's like, what you mean? I was like, don't talk to nobody. Be mean at that moment. He like, damn. But he said he tried it. And he said, bro, they love me, bro, because they know about business. And then I use the analogy because I like using analogies. I said, bro, analogy for what I'm telling you is like when Steve Urkel used to pull in his machine, he would say, not while I'm pulling. Yeah. You got to make it serious. And then people know it's serious. So they respect it every time. That's like if somebody say, don't wear shoes in my house. Every time you pull up to their house, you know you got to kick them bitches off. You feel me? So it's like a start to be a, it's a thing like make it the setup big. That's why they do starting lineups. If you think about it, they introduce the players in the line with the, it's a setup. You got to make it real. Now you paying attention. It's like a lot. You feel me? Yeah. Like, so I like our setup. I like the presentation. That's everything for us. You walk in. That's what the record labels do. Oh yeah? You walk in the FGM. They'll be like, welcome since he might live. Welcome, little bro. Yeah. Welcome. Welcome. Most talk. Welcome. You know what I'm saying? It's crazy because we didn't get it from nobody, man. It's just when I did it, I just felt like I wanted to give y'all something like the people who've been working. You know, we give out awards. I'm probably, I don't gave out probably 50 awards to different people. I mean, from Carl Crawford to, man, everybody. We did a lot of different awards. You've seen some of our show. The Rose, like because we got platinum album, nobody. You know, I want to recognize people for the things that they done done. Like you, these people like y'all that I'm thinking like when I get them back. So if I ever call you back, please come because I'm really trying to show, pay my, get my roses while y'all here. I gave Jack Taylor, who you know, be with Dion, the MD on Santa. You've been with the Cowboys since 97. Stuff like that. Like I've given, I've given a lot of awards out, man, because you guys deserve it, man. You know what I'm saying? Appreciate it. For you to do the things that you've done, the things that you've accomplished, man. I'd be crazy to do something like this and not bless you because that, because at the end of the day, it means so much. Mike Jones, I gave him one. He was the most, I said, I told him, I say, you, I never seen nobody, you know, put theyself out there, give people their number. Pretty much, you know, what did I call it, baby? What did I call that award? Well, he was. It was, no, it was just, no, it was about him, the way that he marketed genius. Because of the way he was marketing at the time, it messed with me. No, there was. That was deep. When I looked at that, I said, bro, ain't nobody, you know what I'm saying? That was deep. He said, ain't nobody never, listen, he said, ain't nobody never recognized me for that. What's so cold is too, I called the number one time and talked to him. It still works. Oh, yeah. He said it's still on. He got it right now. He got it now. Right now. He said it's still on. Damn, but I'm talking about back when I was a kid. Back when they were going down. I called him like probably an 06 or some shit. Like he on 106 and that nigga answered. I was like, I ain't even know what to say to him. I was like, I probably said like, one of them little kids or something. Hey, my God. But to give him a lesson, I get like, like he wasn't, he wasn't that bitch though. I was like, damn, that's hard. That's dope. This nigga answered that. He did. I just said, man, I just seen back, I just seen back then on 106 and this nigga answered. I'm like, damn, that's hard. Listen, man, when you think about that, even the guy, that's one case because it's big. But think about the DJ that been DJing like K-Rock for 38 years and they never been recognized for it. You seen that nigga standing here when we gave him that award. And he said, man, this is the first time anybody ever gave me anything. That's right. That's what we do here. Because they say, we came in though doing that. They tell, hey, the joke is what they tell people like K-Rock, you got a face for radio. You know K-Rock? No, this is what they say to people on the radio. You know, I'm just saying, that's kind of like, you know, you never seen him. You never seen him. But if DJs all throughout Dallas, I've done that with, man, and Gator Man the other day, I gave him an award like it's certain ones, man, that you won't, you never got your roses. I remember a whole bar of prints that did the Stanky leg. That nigga stood right there. The one thing that nigga said when I gave him that award, he say, he say, man, he went back in his head. He said, on BT awards, man, day 26, man, we was nominated for the award. He say, but he say, we didn't win day 26 won. But the day I won on Boss Talk 101, and he put that award up, I said, boy, that's crazy. That's cold. Damn. I'm just telling you how I'm sitting back, looking like really? Like, but I just did it because I felt like it's something to recognize the people who've been grinding like this. Yeah. All this time. And they don't understand it. White folks don't understand you niggas, man. No, you weren't. You were just alive. That man was just living his life. He said it was God. Yeah. But that man did the whole run with Dove. What's he up? You know what I'm saying? That man who went fat, love fat. This nigga been doing it all. You didn't say move to a whole new city. This nigga bad, man. Yeah. I did that like three, four times. It's like one of the things I just tell the youngsters is like, man, don't be scared. Go for what you know. It take a lot. In this shit going to be scary. I was about to say it take a lot. All right. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying, bro? I was moving to Houston and I moved. I'm moving places. And if the shit wasn't working out, nigga, I'm moving back home. Wow. Shit. Give it a try. Yeah, the TV, man. You miss every shot you don't take, baby. That's right. Thank you for coming on Bobo Luciano. Sounds good. I mean, this brother here, I keep forgetting your name and I apologize. Goofy. Do y'all see that Goofy? Goofy. Goofy. Okay. Goofy, I got your music. I'm scared to play it because I don't be wanting to get flagged on YouTube. And he got a project coming, though. Don't be scared. No, is it something that's on YouTube? No, is it? No, is it something that's already out? No, it ain't even out there. He got the first single that went from the drop. Oh, okay. Okay. So you got something clean. But you know how it be. It will later. Yeah. Yeah. See, you know what I mean? Yeah. So we just... I gotta ask you something because I heard you say something about that YouTube before y'all get off of here. You was... It's a dog, girl. Oh, man. Yeah. That's a... So listen, man, this YouTube thing, you pulled up on YouTube. You wasn't doing it as much, but you said that you was getting... The first check was $1,500. I heard you in an interview and then you said you start getting $9,000 checks a month and now you're pushing your YouTube again. And you had to be getting bred to even just kind of back off of YouTube. You had to be able to get niggas to do that. See, I had a lot of shit going on. Yeah, yeah. So you would... He could back off. But when a man speak and say, I was making this $1,500, it got up to $9,000, $11,000 a month. Right. You right. But that's heavy, bro. And I like... Because I had learned the YouTube shit. Like I learned it like... Early. Well, I'm one of the people that like if I want to learn something, I study it. So I got to study in that shit. Yeah. In this early, like you said, yeah. So I studied it because everybody was telling me I need to get on it. You know what I'm saying? And I was like... I was stuck with my DVDs. Like, so... Okay. Yeah. But you know, shit, I just... I don't know. YouTube is just something that I figured like... It's going to be good. So I was like... I always figured like I need to build this. I don't know why I'm building the shit. You feel me? Like it took a minute to realize why I was building it. Because I wasn't getting paid for it for a minute. And then it was like... Yeah. Okay. Anything like how it is now. Like I just started a new YouTube channel. You got to do a lot of shit to get paid now. Oh, man. And it... Like they making it hard for these youngsters. Oh, it's hard, man. They telling niggas like... You got to have 4,000 publics this. That's right. That's right. You got to have 1,000 subscribers. You got to do this. Man, look, when I first started, get what I had to do. I had to sign this little thing right on the internet. And then they sent me a letter in the mail. That was it. Like a post stamp, a Google post stamp. In the mail. And that's it. It was like, gut a TV you in. That's it. Wish it was that simple now, right? It ain't nothing like that no more. Yeah, man. You got to get all this shit. You got to do everything. That shit is crazy. But the smart thing is for an artist to do that early on. Yeah, like do the start. Because you're going to forever be putting yourself on other people's platforms. And you ain't going to never be... It's like giving away your masters. You pretty much... That person is going to get paid off you for the rest of the time. When you blow up, they going to get paid all your money. And I'm back on YouTube right now. Yeah, you guys are going. It's going good. I mean, I keep staying at this same little peak with the money right now on it. I'm saying this is the money part. I've been staying at the same little peak. I'm trying to get up higher. And then as far as working it, it's cool. I'm just having fun with it. It ain't no pressure on me. I ain't chasing no videos. I don't chase no interviews. I really don't need... That ain't... You feel me? Yeah. I just... Like you saw how I feel? Yeah. That's what I do. You don't. You got to think. Because you're self made. I got to think though. Let's do it gutter. You got to think though. That's how I used to do. GZ them, a Gucci them. Just pull it out on them. Yeah. Like they used to be like, man, a nigga gutter like, gutter, how you get that shit? And we ain't sit... Because you got to think, everybody that had a camera at that time, they feel them like in a basketball game. Yeah. They feel them everything. They just hold the camera. I'm a... I'm me. Nigga, I'm a... I'm a banger and shit nigga like. Nigga, I'm smoking weed and shit nigga like. I ain't going to be holding no camera. I get what's necessary and that's it. I'm going to get my drop from the big dog. I'm going to get my drop from the big dog. And then I'm going to get my drop from the homie. And then that's it. If that's all I want, that's it. If I see something, peep, you got to be smart cameraman peep. I used to know that if I'm around Gucci man and I see OG boss talk come in the building, I know in my head, I didn't see OG boss talking Gucci man. Fuck with each other before. Boom. Pull out your camera. This about to be a moment. A moment. I was cold at that. I knew that. These niggas so stupid. I'll be taking these niggas on the road. Nigga, I'd be like, did you catch me and Drake talking? They'd be like, no. That is stupid. I'd be like, you, you, you, you. How you miss that? Nigga, you seen Drake. Nigga, you knew that me and Drake was going to talk. How you miss that? I just broke my. See, I was intelligent enough to know that if, if, if somebody come in this bitch and that's halfway important, go ahead and cut it on out the gate because it's going to be a moment. That's dope. You feel me? Yeah, that's my. That's the same thing we do. My shit shot up skyrocket high fast because already I caught moments. I didn't catch just the whole basketball game. I'm going to say this for you. Get off from here, man. You, now you still got all that footage. You can create something out of what you already have and people are going to migrate to it. Cause yeah, yeah. Really? Really? My nigga, you don't never come around, man. I called you. I called a couple of times since then. I done called the but one time. I'm going to call you back, man. But one time. So, man. Hey, man, I'm going to just say, man, man, you one of those guys that I respect in the game, you did your thing. We're going to ask you to come back for sure. You got to come back. You got to come back. Yeah, that's good. I'm being real. Yeah, cause I ain't really get to tell you two though. Cause Miss Jamaica had asked me about my upbringing and I really would have. We're going to get into that. So that's something I come back for. We're going to kick it. Yeah. We're going to kick it. Man, we're going to kick it, man. Thank you so much. Hey, before the rap shit. Before the rap. Cause I want people to know, we be talking about the rap shit a lot. But before the rap shit. Yeah, that's what she got. Before the game, man. Before the game, man. You live in game back in your whole life. Yeah. Like, you live in game back in your whole life. I have. At the World? I mean at the World Game. At 11, 12. Oh. But we want to talk about it though. I mean before 11, 12. You were video games or something? No. I was in the hood. I was in the South Indian. No sports? I played a little lead. One year. You just want to know. No, but I quit. That's the stuff that you want to know. I was a nigga that know, like, if I don't start, I ain't going to go to the NFL. So I'm moving on to the next thing. Get to the money. Get to the money. I was ahead of the hook. But I was popular then though. Because I had already moved on. So when the homies started smoking weed and gangbanging, I had did that shit at 12. Man. You feel me? Like, I had already moved. Them niggas still playing little lead. Nigga, I moved on. Nigga, I already knew. Nigga, like, you got to move on. Thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you, bro. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss is talk.