 And you can walk out this door right now after I say this because you're going to get the entirety of what I need to say in this, okay? If you are not daily, personally praying and in at least a half an hour of prayer before you try to go do your job as a, or volunteer work or anything else. I don't care if you're a volunteer or a full-time employee or whatever else. Before you go try to do ministry, before you go try to teach a class, before you go try to invest in other people's lives, before you run a program event or a class, any of those things. Before you do that, if you're not praying, you need to stop the idea that you can actually do those things well and then go pray. And if that continues on where you're not praying and you're trying to do all this work stuff, you probably should quit your job and learn how to pray. Is that bold enough? And the reason I say that is because you have no ability to do what you need to do without God being the center of every part of your ministry. Now, does that mean I perfectly accomplish what I'm talking about? No, I'm preaching to myself right now. When I get up here and say that kind of stuff, I'm like, okay, I better work on my prayer life a little bit more. Absolutely. Every single time I say something like that, okay? And sometimes God, I have this, okay, you guys know what charisms are, gifts of the Holy Spirit given for the good of the others, not necessarily you for others, okay? I have four very strong charisms and one of them is prophecy and it gets me in a lot of trouble because you know what prophecy is? It's telling God what God wants him to hear and sometimes God wants me to hear what comes out of my own stupid mouth, okay? So I'm talking to myself here. So let's talk about a little bit of history. Anybody ever heard of this event at the early church called Pentecost? It was kind of a big deal. I mean, it was the birth of the church. It was the coming of the Holy Spirit. It changed the apostles. It empowered them to go out. I mean, think about the change that happened at Pentecost. You have these men and women in the upper room who were huddled together, scared, they're scared. They're huddled together, scared, waiting on God to become present, waiting, huddled. And here, and the promise of the Holy Spirit, he says, wait, he told them to wait. Jesus told them to wait for the Holy Spirit, right? Stay in Jerusalem until it comes, until they advocate. And so here it happens, Pentecost happens after weeks of waiting and when it happens, a powerful thing happened. They were changed. They're no longer scared, or excuse me, they may still have felt fear, but that wasn't the determining factor of what they were going to do. What happened? What happened at Pentecost? You tell me, because I have to drink some water. These allergies are killing me here in Steubenville. You people, I don't know how you'll live here. Fire? What else happened? What did you say? I did take some claritin. Oh, claritin. Yes, clarifier. Yes. I did take some claritin this morning. It ain't working. I got this stuff all over. I was sleeping last night and I was clenching my jaw because I couldn't breathe through my nose. I woke up with a headache. It's like, okay, Jesus, do something with my pain. Give it to the people I'm going to talk to. Not the pain, the grace. Not the pain, the grace. I finally got speaking through claritin. What? And we had what happened through those things, those signs and wonders that happened in that upper room. What ended up happening to them? Transformation. In what way, besides just being bold and having some courage, what else happened to them? Say it loud. Empowered. Empowered? What else? Convicted. Convicted. That's a good word for what I'm looking for. Yeah. They couldn't stay there anymore. Did you notice that? The mission starts when they receive the Holy Spirit. And remember, you got that same Holy Spirit. Let me say this again. You have that same Holy Spirit in your baptism and your confirmation. All of what the apostles were given has been given to you. The question is not whether you have it. The question is what? What you do with it? So this Holy Spirit's come upon them and they feel, they know they're changed and they say, let's do something about it and they go out. Friends, if you want to be great evangelists, it starts with the interior life. I mean, you can leave here, take those things I've said and go read the Soul of the Apostle and basically you're going to be told the same thing. You have no power in your ministry and evangelization and discipleship without prayer, without the interior life. And it is a struggle. I know that. I've struggled for decades trying to pray and being distracted and having problems that it's not perfect and sometimes I go do it and it's kind of just a chore. I'm just going to chug along and check off the list and get my prayer done. And some days I don't want to do it and we're going to talk about some of that stuff. But let's start right here in the fact that prayer undergirded everything of the early church including our Lord. Before he starts his ministry, what does he go do? He prays for 40 days in the desert. I mean, first of all, props to him. I ain't praying 40 days. I don't care about those Ignatian retreats for like 40 days, you know. I'm a lay person who is married and got kids and a job and got bills to pay. Nobody's going to give me 40 days to go pray by myself. It's just not happening. Well, I'm okay. I'm sorry if you're a priest or a religious and you've been able to go do a 40 day retreat. I don't know a single lay ministry person who is still working that has ever been going to be given the opportunity to go do something like that. Do you guys know of anybody that's been able to do that? You do? Oh for goodness sake, I'm going to come work for you. So it's the rare exception at the best, right? So the point being is that that may not be for you, but it's about your daily prayer. So sister Mary Michael Fox and I were talking yesterday so she grabbed me because she likes me because we're both, you know, kind of firing and she grabs me and she says, Marcel I'm doing this stuff she's doing the retreat track, okay and in the retreat track she said something this morning and she said she actually used my name. She goes Marcel told me I could say this I said well sister I'm going to say the same thing in my talk. She said should I say this, that these people who are trying to do ministry and not even pray in a half an hour, they need to stop and go pray for half an hour. I said absolutely you need to say that in fact they probably should quit their jobs. So she used my name even saying that. So look, sister Mary Michael has given me the stamp of approval, okay so if you've got a problem, you've got to talk to sister Mary Michael, okay. So think about this, all these evangelists have had deep, deep prayer lives. Think about them. Who's your favorite saint? Name some saints. Saint Paul, okay Mother Teresa we'll stop right there with those two. Tell me about Saint Paul's interior life. What kind of things did he write in his letters that we know about from Saint Paul about prayer? Yeah, first of all he talked about suffering quite a bit. What kind of things did he suffer? I mean he's got lists, right you know the casting outs the shipwrecks the floggings, he had the thorn the side, you know all these things that Saint Paul did. And what did he do with those? Did he waste them? Did he complain about them? A little bit. Oh yeah, I mean he's human. But he offered them back for other people too, right? He used them for the good of his ministry and he spent time in prayer. You know he knew the scriptures didn't he? He was a good Pharisee and the Pharisees knew their scriptures upside and down. He could quote the scriptures from memory and be able to write them out, right? The Psalms and others, we have those references in his letters that were scribed for him. Paul was a man of prayer, right? Can we all agree upon that? Mother Teresa, if you've ever read Mother Teresa's stuff, you know she suffered greatly from dark dark things from having desolation constantly for years decades upon decades of desolation. If you guys, if you're into Ignatian prayer and you know consolation and desolation, desolation is this dark feeling that God isn't present to you even though he is. The reality is God is always present to us, right? But you don't feel it spiritually, mentally, emotionally. You feel like God's presence has been removed. That's a desolation that Ignatius talks about, okay? And when you're feeling desolation, it's hard because God feels far away. God may not even feel real. Now imagine having that for decade upon decade in the midst of trying to serve the poor in God and running a religious order and the politics that were being lobbed at her and the other things. What did she do every day? She would say you know that sometimes the sisters would come to her and say, well sister, we can't spend an hour a day and we've got so many poor to go sir. We've got so many people who are dying on the streets. What did she say in response to we can't spend an hour a day in front of the Blessed Sacrament in our daily prayer? Spend two. Now why would she say something of that kind of way? Wait a minute. If they don't go out there and serve the poor, nobody's going to do it in these cities. Those people could die. Well the reason why is because their death is not the end of the story and she knew that that it's more important that our own houses are built on solid ground before we go out and help try to build somebody else's house. This is so important my friends and I don't think we actually grasp it sometimes. So why do we actually have to make this also important? Not just for us but think about ministry itself. Does anybody in here want to be a fruitful person in their work and in their vocation? Do you want people to go to heaven? We talked about this in my last session right? I threw some hand grenades into the room didn't I? Does anybody convicted about that when I threw those hand grenades into the room? Okay. So you want people to go to heaven don't you? I do. I want you to go to heaven. So I'm not going to avoid the hard truths. I am what you this is how I try to describe how I present and talk and write and do things how I coach leaders and do other stuff. I want to be charitably provocative. Provocative because I think people need to be stirred up charitable in the sense of I don't need to do it for the sake of just being provocative I need to do it for the sake of trying to love you enough to move you off of the place where you are right now because God is not a God a static status quo he is a God of movement into greater God is not okay with you being okay. You know that old book in the 70s it's okay I'm okay you're okay that's actually a lie it's not okay just being okay you aren't made to be okay you are made to be a saint you are made to be great you are made to be holy you are made to be a great evangelist you are made to be amazing and to honor God and to give him glory by your very life and that happens by our interior life so why do we pray also and Paul says this in Ephesians 619 speech may be given to me to open my mouth to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel he wants people to pray for him so that can happen why? because my proclamation has no power to change your heart in and of itself what changes hearts? I should say better who changes hearts yeah it's it's God everybody get that? I mean you're all like double man I'm like yeah but we need to make sure we all have God changes hearts can I change anybody else's heart? do I have yes I can actually change my own heart by saying yes to what God wants to do because God's already given me the grace okay so the answer is yes but only me and I can't change past me and I can't change future me right now but I can change me right now I can say yes right now that's all we have this is why scriptures say today is the day of salvation today not tomorrow not yesterday friends God wants today to have every single part of you and if you can't give him everything give him what you can give him what you can because if you want to be good at your jobs good at being a catechus good at whatever you do in ministry whether that's on the clock or not you got to pray and this is what he says that's where the power happens I've literally seen this happen at Bosco now my next session tomorrow morning I'm going to I'm going to give away a lot here okay I'm going to train people on how to evangelize and we're going to do very very practical hands-on stuff I will not finish that session by any stretch of the imagination okay because I get into a lot of stuff and we're going to get rolling but one of the things I will not fail to do is I'm going to preach the gospel in a compelling way and invite a response in prayer that somebody can respond in faith what does that sound like to some of you describe it does it sound like a Baptist preacher or a Protestant it shouldn't because Paul just said he wants people to pray so this speech may be given to me to open my mouth to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel and he goes on to say so that those respond in faith when the jailer when Paul and Silas are miraculously freed from jail and the jailer is about to kill himself he said don't kill himself we're still here what ends up happening he says oh my goodness what must I do to be saved and what does Paul respond there are three things he has to do repent believe and be baptized repent believe and be baptized there are three things he has to do if Paul didn't answer that question that would have been a very modern Catholic response what do I need to be saved well Deb you filled out your forms for RCIA I think you probably ought to go talk to father up at the parish friends friends we have to have an answer for that and that answer and the boldness to answer it born out of prayer and the power because why Francis says without prayer all our activity risks being fruitless and our message empty Jesus wants evangelizers to proclaim the good news not only with words but by a life transfigured by God's presence prayer starts with our own transformation so we have the power to be transformative agents in the lives of others prayer transforms our own lives so we can be transformative agents in the lives of others that's not like it's rocket science hard but it's hard to actually live out so it goes on to saying without prolonged moments of adoration prayerful encounter with the word a sincere conversation with the Lord notice different ways of praying here and let me stop real quick and say this and I need to call this out from our modern Catholic culture we're not about to throw like 15 hand grenades into the room bodies are about to hit the walls I am sick and tired of the different camps in the Catholic church saying my way of praying my way of worshiping our way of doing this is the way to save the church that is crap if the church says it is okay to do X it is okay to do X and you don't have to do X if it's optional but you better not be tearing down somebody else who does X if it's part of the church's tradition stop it just cut it out stop it that bickering and infighting is of the enemy not of God God wants unity he called the church Catholic and universal for a reason and there are different times and places and devotions and ways of praying and they're all okay if they're sanctioned by the church and if you want to argue this argue over a bottle of bourbon tonight till the cows come home that's something we say in Texas because we let the cows out to pasture I got cattle people in my family anyway so the point being is this stop it how you pray and want to pray as long as the church is okay with it it's okay now there are some things like some eastern buddhist stuff no we can't accept that get it out that's not acceptable I don't care if you pray in Latin, Aramaic or anything else I don't care if you play in English or Spanish I don't care if you pray the rosary or something else and don't go telling other people they have to by the way as a minister of the church as a catechist in the church as a young adult minister in the church you have no right to force your own personal pious practices on anybody else oh it worked for me therefore it has to work for everybody else I hear this all the time now sometimes it's born out of a sincere desire to share something good with others and I'll give you an example somebody goes to a retreat they have a conversion or a re-conversion or a deeper conversion they have an experience or an encounter with God in his presence and they come back and they tell everybody about it you have to go you have to go you have to go right that's that's fine that's not what I'm talking about what I'm talking about is look I pray the rosary every single day I have a marrying devotion I'm consecrated to my mother marrying I cannot tell somebody else everybody has to be consecrated to marry that's not appropriate what are some universal ways of praying that apply to every single Catholic there's only a few anybody want to name them the mass speak a little broadly there what's more broad than just the mass sacraments and liturgy sacraments in particular because even the liturgy the hours it's encouraged for lay people but not required right so you can't even say the liturgy the hours except for religious and clergy is it required everybody got that what's another one that is for everyone the rosary is not for everyone the rosary is encouraged and it is a valuable thing but it is not a universal and I there is a I said that one time at a Bosco about five years ago and I left here and the person who worked in the diocesan position wanted to argue with me and I gave them all the relevant stuff and you will look in the magisterial text of the church it's encouraging it is not universal it will say all people should consider and things like that but it doesn't say all people should there's a difference in the language here and we have to be appropriately relevant there anybody else want to try yes ma'am scripture that's it sacraments in scripture your list is done everything else is up for grabs when it comes to prayer so when you're teaching prayer let's make sure we're starting with scripture and the sacraments because those are the foundational everybody is called to do those now then we have things that are encouraged by the church for everybody things like liturgy the hours devotion to Mary in the rosary you get it right scripture is just we have to have some kind of scripture not everybody is called to do lexio right anyway I'm going to stop anybody got a question or pushback I'm okay with you saying I disagree with you bold men and I want to fight by the way I'm giving you my weakness I've had way too many concussions in my life stupid football in Texas so all you got to do is connect with my head I'm done anybody want anybody got a question comment yes ma'am it's an opinion you can you can you can call it yeah thank you for that here's what I'm saying though okay there's a distinction that's being made everybody hopefully has an experience of understanding this Marian devotion is a good upheld by the church as a good that everybody is called to experience and try but not everybody is called to do it right now does that does that help any and the reason why I say that is because Marian devotion is a part of the church's tradition okay I want you to I want you to put yourself how many of you guys work or have worked with RCIA okay your work okay you ever run up against like a really strong Protestant that's coming into the church and they're big things probably praying the saints are married anybody anybody done that and they kind of get devotion to saints and they've tried it on for size but there's just something in the back of their hearts and their minds it's kind of like I can't really do it you know okay we have to be real patient with somebody like that to say because I've heard people say things like you're not a good Catholic until you pray the rosary every day that's what I'm warning against okay does that make sense you cannot say stuff like that and you cannot be so pushy or universal and that Catholic who just became Catholic may not be ready for a daily rosary okay you have to be patient and kind in order to understand that person who we're trying to cataclyse lead evangelize wherever they need to go we're going to meet them right there and say I understand you struggle with this all I ask as somebody as a friend is that you try to remain open to this possibility of something that you could grow into a little later time right so that's where we're going with these these kind of statements now while doing that let's help you with your sacramental life and let's help you with your prayer life with scripture right because those are universals or if they have another devotion that they maybe maybe it's some other like mental prayer in another context that they have taken on in its working form right so we help let's further that and maybe that's the road that God's going to lead to okay boom and I'll give you a personal story like my wife is that person she came from a Lutheran tradition had a lot of that those issues and baggage and it took her years and years and years before she developed a relationship with her blessed mother and now she's got a great love of Mary right but again my point being is when I say universal I mean now and always for everyone okay maybe that distinction will help everybody alright so the US bishops wrote this without prayer the goodness of Jesus Christ cannot be understood spread or accepted without prayer now most people don't have a problem necessarily with spread or accepted it's this word right here that bothers people without prayer the good news of Jesus cannot be understood what do we normally think when we think of understanding the gospel understanding the doctrines of the church understanding Jesus Christ what do we think of just an act of what yeah it's like a study or intellectual exercise right but here's the problem you cannot divorce good theology from good prayer and if you do what you've done is you made a mockery of what the theology is all about the truths are so that you can fall deeper in love with God in his church the truths exist so that you can fall deeper in love with God in the church this is why the little old lady who's never studied theology but has a deep interior life is at a better place than the theologian who knows all the truths but doesn't pray much and pleases God more now should the two go hand in hand growth in our understanding so that we have the capability of loving God more absolutely we want to have both but if you had to pick one always pick the side of the spiritual life now I'm going to tell you in the United States in America in the West we have very much made Catholicism about learning and intellectual life and we're very good at it and in our structures and institutions this is how we operate so this is one of the things that when I coach Catholic leaders I'm going to tell you it's one of the harder things to do I can sit down and tell you all the stuff that they need to know but then I say let's stop and pray before we get to the father and son of the Holy Spirit alright meetings over they don't actually want to do deep intensive group prayer together and if there's one thing I have found about institutions if I ask like okay so do you guys pray together so let me ask you guys it's Catholic leaders in some context on your teams whether that's I work for a diocese but I'm all alone over here in this campus or whether that's I have a group of the diocesan staff or whatever it might be or I'm a young adult volunteer over here but I've got a team of four other people that helped me coordinate whatever that is do you pray together like really truly intensely often pray together if so please tell me I'd like to know do you guys do that okay tell me about that how do you pray so you all go together to this other church what were you working by the way can I ask okay so it is a diocese okay so a diocesan office and you're going okay go ahead so I'm going to your diocese and talking to these people is that right yes okay that's what I thought so well I'm glad we got the contract signed before he came to this session but anyway no so that's great okay what do you think you're missing right now do you guys do anything on a daily level at all like anything short or anything okay that might be where I would encourage you just FYI okay so a couple those two things that's where you feel but only if God calls you to it right as a discernment so first of all good job I think that's above the pay grade but don't don't settle okay don't settle now I'm going to tell you a little bit anybody well first of all before I talk anybody else want to share like maybe even a struggle yes ma'am okay here's where I didn't intend to go this direction but we're going to go to this direction for a second okay thank you for that okay if you're a non-decision maker in your context in a sense of you have bosses who have bosses who are the ones who would make a decision about whether the team prays together or not raise your hand for me okay if you're the boss who can make that kind of decision raise your hand for me okay so here's what I want you to do if you are the boss who can make a decision this is how our team wants to pray I want you to listen for a second to those people who are not the decision makers okay if you're not a decision maker do you desire to pray with other people in your work in your team tell me about that a little bit tell me why go ahead yeah yeah yeah so anybody else with team context thank you for sharing that that's actually the vast vast majority of Catholic schools you're not any different than that so let me ask you guys you're not the decision maker but what could you do in this context what could you do to impact that reality what else okay that's what you have power to do you can't mandate you can't order but you can invite and in fact if you're a leader I would do that too I would mandate prayer I would invite to prayer I would invite to maybe a daily midday prayer we did that at a parish I worked at where we would gather everybody who was there because you know sometimes people weren't there they had appointments or something else that called them and everybody would gather at noon we'd ring a bell up the staff hallway and Nell would ring the bell and I would sing Nell's Bells like to ACDC anyway and we walk it's better than Hell's Bells right so we'd all go up there and pray it was simple but it actually changed the culture of our parish a little simple daily prayer changed the culture of our parish from that it grew into the pastor saying we've talked about this and Marcel and I are going to spend a half an hour a day every single day we decided to do this in prayer, in adoration in our own quiet time and we invite all of you to do this as well at least half an hour you can go into an hour and you will be paid for this and we want this to be part of your job so that now we would prefer that you do it right before you start your work so that you're setting the work up for success with the prayer but if you can't then do it at some point during the day okay and then from there it grew into you know further reflections and days of retreat and all kinds of other stuff and what ended up happening was you know those compartmentalizations and silos that happened in a lot of institutions they started to crumble and our fruitfulness started to increase and things started to change that wasn't hard but what ended up happening was we invited that power of the Holy Spirit that same one you got and the same one that came at Pentecost to come into our staff and change things and it started with some invitations why? so Jesus Christ cannot be understood spread or accepted now this is what some of the saints say about prayer you guys know the power of prayer and if you don't know the power of prayer you haven't prayed enough okay did anybody have a great experience at adoration last night? I did it was beautiful I love adoration like that did anybody have a great time at mass when you got a mass this morning or something else? I did I love celebrating the sacrament of Eucharist and oh my gosh I mean this is Jesus truly substantially body, blood, soul and divinity and he died on a cross so that I could receive him in my body shut your mouth I mean come on and he did that for you and for everybody else and see that's where our power derives to go out and change lives and the power of salvation for others and this is what, like St. John Viani here what souls we can convert by our prayers the one who saves a soul from hell saves this soul and his own as well without prayer, St. John Francis says we have neither light nor strength to advance the way which leads this is it right here folks and the catechism says this Christian prayer is a covenant relationship between God and man and Christ it is the action of God and of man now I don't know about you but sometimes I pray and I'm like God do something this is actually been one of my big prayers lately and it's a pretty bold prayer okay so I run an apostolate Catholic missionary disciples and we're growing and we've got great stuff going on and I told God recently though I'm already super busy but I told God in my prayer God if you want this thing to absolutely explode for the glory of your kingdom make it happen but only if you increase and I decrease your prayer okay I don't need to be the big sage on the stage who has you know 5,000 people in a room or anything like that I don't need to be the face on the video screen or anything like that I want to go deeply invest in people's lives and go change things in the church so that more people come to Jesus Christ and so if I have to like into nothing that's fine if you want to burn me up fine if I have to suffer well maybe fine like my comfort I told you that last time so but when I do suffer and I can't do anything about it we're going to offer that back right so all these things yeah that's part of it but it's got to start I can't have that kind of prayer until I trust a God who's got my best intentions in mind that comes from prayer and I got to tell you sometimes I truly trust God and sometimes I grasp at my control myself sometimes I'm you know have consolation sometimes I have desolation sometimes I'm really into my prayer and sometimes I'm not sometimes it's a chore and sometimes it's not and what I want to do is I want to encourage you right now in your prayer wherever you are right now in your prayer life whether it's not existent or whether it's awesome I want to encourage you God's not displeased with you because of the state of your prayer life nor is he going to say oh my gosh you're my best disciple because you have a good prayer life right now because he could take it right back away right his presence let's be okay with where we are in the sense of this is where my starting point is but let's not be okay with this is my end point it's time to go somewhere else why because you can't be a saint without it why because God wants more he wants all of it and it's his initiative holiness is a gift holiness is not just me pulling myself up by my bootstraps and grunting my way through prayer and doing all these devotions and choosing what's right and going into confession more often yeah those are good choices but it's actually saying God I can't change everything about my life and my heart and my I can't transform myself by my own power it takes an act of God to transform a heart so God come and do it again or do it for the first time I don't know how many of you have ever had a conversion but conversion is what God wants again and why is this because it changes the world this is what Benedict says our first duty therefore precisely in order to heal this world is to be holy oh my gosh see what do we do when we stop and we think about the culture I want you to think about all the crap that is in our culture right now like the utter ridiculous is like the tearing down of the human person the misdefinition and redefinition of marriage and sexuality and goodness and truth and beauty of religion and faith of all these things and we could bicker and argue and get all you know run run run I could do this too I actually have a terrible charism of being able to understand because of that that I have a leadership charism too and sometimes my leadership is actually I get to see all the problems and institutions and plans and stuff like that so I get all negative I can tear down all this stuff and I can tell you all the problems in the world that doesn't fix anything does it but me being a saint does think about the great saints okay let's talk about St. Francis to sales who is one of my faves this dude okay so St. Francis to sales was neither smart neither was he super energetic nor was he the greatest pastor in the world what he had was perseverance endurance and patience and he had great great faith and so he sent into the French mountains that border Switzerland into the area of Geneva which is now part of Switzerland right but it was France so he sent out here and this is right after the Protestant Reformation and there were 60,000 people in the area who were former Catholics okay 60,000 so think of a town of about 60,000 people and they're all former Catholics who have become reformed Protestants and he sent into these mountains and the bishop says go evangelize them right after the Protestant Reformation I mean people are being killed at this time for being Catholic in Protestant places and Protestants are being killed in Catholic places it's just awful right and so he sent out to these people and here comes St. Francis to sales into this place and he starts trying to knock on doors and so he has the door slammed in his face and they pass a law that says you can't knock on doors anymore so he starts preaching in public spaces and he shouted down but he keeps doing it and so they pass a law that says you can't preach in public places so he starts printing out and writing out little pamphlets and handing them out and then talking to people instead of preaching and continuing to do his mission and he almost died of being exposed in cold weather and in starvation he got caught in a mountain pass one time frostbite I mean this guy suffered a lot and for years and years and years he did this flash forward at the end of his mission before he's called back from the mountains 40,000 of the 60,000 people became Catholic and it all flowed out of his spiritual life because he didn't depend upon his own strength his own worthiness he depended upon a God who worked through him to transform those lives and here's what I need you to know there are people in your life right now who need you to be a saint like St. Francis to Sales they need you to be persevere in a culture that wants to tear you down they need you to pray when prayer is hard they need you to witness to them even when sometimes you're rejected and have doors slammed they need you to suffer and offer it back up to the Lord so that he can make that suffering something usable in other people's lives they need you primarily to say yes to God today amen we're going to pray right now what I'm going to do is I'm going to pray for you in a little bit we're going to have some different kinds of prayer but right now we're going to pray for you so I'm going to intercede this is another charism I have a charism of intercession and it's crazy because I will text people be like hey do you need prayers today like yes I'm in the hospital right now five minutes in the future it's creepy okay so I want to pray for you but what I want you to do is I want you to stop and place yourself in the presence of God so I'm going to guide you through this in the name of the Father and the Son of the Holy Spirit so close your eyes be okay with closing your eyes it's okay to close them God we believe you're present here or two or more are gathered in your name you say you're in our midst now your spirit is here let us acknowledge that God is here give God permission to move in your life if you want to pray this prayer you can repeat it after me if not you can make your own Holy Spirit come Heavenly Father I open my heart to you and I ask you to come and fill me with your grace once again Jesus take me by the hand show me the face of the Father the one who longs for me personally who sent you for me Holy Trinity I place yourself place myself at your at your desire and need for this world as a servant who will do what you ask and so I'm going to pray for you people Lord I pray for your people your church who are gathered in your name in this room I pray that you might bless them give them an anointing of your Holy Spirit give them what they need right now whether it be healing a deeper understanding of their identity greater faith hope or love the virtue of endurance of perseverance of boldness of courage give them Lord chastity humility to them whatever they need in order to be a saint may your church rise up may we have a longing for the salvation of others may we see others with your eyes may we love people with your heart give us a taste of what it means to love this world and those in it despite the flaws and the sins and the errors of our culture help us to love the people who are difficult for us to love I pray for their families and their friends their communities and their coworkers I pray for their ministry that as saints Lord they might make a deep impact because the grace that you work and the lives around them through them may they be instruments who are powerful in your hand Jesus we beg of you these things but primarily we ask you but primarily we ask you to help us to desire holiness to grow in holiness to glorify your name to grow your kingdom and that souls might go to heaven because we said yes to you again and again and again so tell Jesus yes right now in your heart just tell him yes give him room give him permission to give you everything Jesus I give you my sin Jesus I give you my wounds Jesus I give you my problems Jesus I give you my desires the good and bad Jesus I give you my future Jesus I give you my past Jesus I give you my gifts and talents Jesus I give you my mind and my heart Jesus I give you my body Jesus I give you my soul Jesus I give you permission to transform me again. Amen. In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Why do we do this? Your holiness changes others. Pope Paul VI, our evangelizing zeal must spring from true holiness of life. Without this mark of holiness, our word will have no difficulty, will have difficulty in touching the heart of modern man. It risks being vain and sterile. Now, have you ever known somebody who was either teaching, preaching, or guiding something in the Catholic Church who you knew didn't believe what they were saying? You're kind of looking like, yeah, if only, you know, doctor, take your own medicine, right? Doctor, take your own medicine. I've had that experience. This is what Pope Paul VI is talking about. It's not just the teaching and preaching. It's also the ministering. It's the entering into life. If I get up here and I say, okay, you need to pray more, and I don't take my own medicine, I'm a hypocrite, okay? So I, again, I'm preaching to myself here some. The fact is, though, without us doing this, we become the hypocrites that have vain and sterile ability to be able to evangelize. So the real question for us is then this. Do you actually want to be a saint? Is anybody in here kind of mixed up on this, like a yes and no? Or maybe yes sometimes, no other times, maybe other times? Come on, be honest. I am. This is me. Do I want to be a saint? Oh, heck yeah. Depending on what day it is. Oh, heck no, on another day. You know, like one of those days you face your crap or your sin or whatever, and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so limited, I'm so bad. You know, I was a jerk to my wife, you know, other stuff. Like, I'm being impatient today. I'm just grouchy because I haven't had enough coffee, and I slept in a bed that did not, oh my gosh, that best Western, the end, my, yeah. But do you really want to? Okay, God, sometimes our prayer needs to be God. I kind of want to be a saint. He doesn't need like some humongous prayer of, Lord, transform me to be the bestest ever so that I can be, you know, what he needs is, okay, a little bit. And if all he got is a little bit, guess what? He can crack the door. I mean, I want to think about the fact that Peter was such a knucklehead. Have you ever thought about like Peter, the knucklehead pope? I mean, he should be like patron saint of bald guys and knuckleheads, because I really identify with this dude. Because if you think about it, he's, I mean, good gracious. Here he comes, you know, his brother Andrew, first of all, brings him. Like little brother brings him to Jesus and he's kind of like, meh, you know. And then he comes back and he's like, come follow him and he drops his nets and he goes and follows him, not knowing what it's going to bring. But then 50%, okay, this is a true statistic. 50% of the time Peter opens his mouth in the gospel, he makes a mistake or says something dumb. That's the kind of saint I can relate to. Okay, I can relate to that guy. And not only that, but he denied him three times and yet he was called back to repentance. And this is the guy Jesus is like hooking the wagon of the future of the world to. Okay, doesn't that give you a little bit of hope? It's possible, my friends, think of the lives of the saints. These people, I mean, Saint Augustine, you can name them, all these people, they're just, they're just people, sinners like you and me, who God's come and rescued. And the reason God does that with those kind of people is so that you and I can identify with them, those ordinary people, the people who may not be super attractive before they had this change of heart. And, you know, like physically, like Mother Teresa was not the most beautiful woman and yet if you see her, like, aren't you attracted to her? I mean, come on, objectively speaking, she was not like, she's not going to be a model, you know? That's true, but she might be one of the most beautiful souls of the 20th century and everybody's like, I want to be close to her because holiness is attractive, because holiness changes things, because holiness fulfills the mission of the church. J.P. II, the church's missionary spirituality is a journey towards holiness. Paul talks about it with Timothy. It's not according to our works, but according to his own design and the grace bestowed on us. God planned for you to be a saint and nothing less. And what's the greatest regret of all life is to live it and not become a saint? Who was that? Was that a boy that said that? So part of this though has to be done in relationship. You cannot be a saint with just you and God. And this is part of, we talked about this in the last session, but part of this has to be done in community. And I think one of the biggest thing successes that the devil has had is in breaking up the fact that there is very little real friendship and community being lived out in our Catholic context in the 20th and 21st century. Late 20th and 21st century. Like my mom and dad grew up in South Louisiana, okay? When pretty much everybody was Catholic and everybody went to church in small towns where everybody knew each other. Community was the small town in the parish. They had it. And so by the time all their kids were born in the 60s and 70s, guess what had happened? All those parishes were basically going under. People were moving away. There wasn't the community of the small towns anymore. And they didn't have a way to build community outside of that context. And this happened across the West with the breakdown of the family, the movement of peoples with the rising incomes, the changing of jobs, all of these things that happened. We have the breakdown of societal norms of having community based in deep roots of generation upon generation in one town and doing these things in the small parishes. So we get to today where we have things like mega parishes or consolidated parishes of a bunch of people who don't really know each other and people who don't have friendships. And yet if you want to be a saint and you can't do it alone, how do we break that? Well, we can't do it alone. And I'm going to tell you right now, it takes you saying to somebody else who you trust and love, I want to be a saint and I can't do it alone and I need you to help me. It's actually being bold enough to be able to. But now that doesn't happen by you saying, hey, we just met. You want to go to lunch and then saying, hey, I want to be a saint and I want you to help me do it. That's not where you start. But you build a friendship to the point where you have enough trust and intimacy and all the other things that are necessary, the vulnerability that takes to get to intimacy. And then you start to say these kind of bold things. I have told my friends, not just my spiritual director, I have told my friends, I want to be a saint and I can't do it without you helping me and holding me accountable. This is Saint Paul telling Saint Peter, you're doing one thing and saying another, right? Because what was he doing? He's saying you're free to go eat anything you want. And yet Peter was abstaining because Peter was being a hypocrite, right? Good for you, not for me or good for me, not for you. Look, we got to do this and it takes other people to pour into us to pray with us to do these things. And if you don't have that right now, I know it's difficult to get there, but it's worth the time, the effort and all of the things that it takes to get there. And you might flop and flail with the first couple of folks you even try it with. But if I pick up the phone right now and say, Keith, I need you to pray with me right now for this intention. Keith will drop whatever he wants or whatever he's doing as long as it's not like some intense emergency with his family and he'll pray with me. And I can do that with Trey and I can do that with Gerald and I can do that with Kurt and I can do that with Josh and I can do that with all these guys that I've invested in because they've invested in me. I can do that with Father Brian. I can do that with other people because we're investing in each other. And by the way, I do that with clergy and I've got some friends who literally live it. No, not literally live. They hang out at my house all the time. Why? Because we pray together. We talk about stuff. We do life together. And when I say do life together, we go on vacations together. We go on road trips together. We sit in my backyard around the fire pit together. We pray together. We study scriptures together. That's doing life together. And I can't be a saint without having that. Neither can you. And it's hard work because relationships are difficult. But this is how Jesus did it. He didn't say come follow me. Here's the video program. Here's your online resource. Come follow me. Be my disciple. He didn't say go and make disciples of all nations by holding a big conference. What did he say? Go and make disciples. And how did they do it? They went into a town. They planted their roots. They preached the gospel. They made converts and then they discipled them. And when they discipled them, they entered into life with them. Okay, we're going to get into that and how to evangelize and how to practically do it in my next session tomorrow morning. But the fact of the matter is you have to have these relationships with God, with yourself, with others, and with the church. And the one that people are kind of like, man, what are you talking about yourself? It's who you're supposed to be and who you are currently. That's what I'm talking about. Who you are currently may not be who you're called to be. Who you're called to be is you in the eyes of God perfected. You in heaven. Okay? God sees all of that. He knows all of that. He knows your potential and he wants to tap into it because he put it in you. And he knows there's more to get out of you. And you know what the biggest problem with us being saints? Us. We'll say that again. It's not the world. It's not your spouse. It's not your congregation. It's not the people who don't like you. It's not the culture that's against you. It's not the infighting within the church. It's you. When GK Chesterton wrote that, you know, that one sentence response to the question, what's wrong with the world? You know what he said? I am. I'm wrong with the world. So let's acknowledge that. I got room to grow here. So what's our proper response? Conversion and that starts with the initial conversion. Now, I'm going. I don't have time today in this space to do this, but I will tomorrow morning. But I'm going to tell you this. If you have never had a conversion to Jesus Christ and you want to have one, I'm going to say this again. If you've never had a conversion to Jesus Christ where you made an intentional act of faith to say, I want to give my life to Jesus Christ and I want to follow him. Okay. Now that could be over years. That's not just always a one and done thing. It could be a long process, right? Okay. It could be a lifelong process for some people. But if you never had that and you want it, please come see me afterward because I can help guide you into how to respond in faith. It's as simple as a little prayer that says, I believe and I want this. Similar to what we just did a minute ago. Okay. That's the first one. And then it's from send a life from self to God. But this one of constant conversion. What is a life of constant? When you hear the phrase constant conversion, what do you think anybody want to offer a thought? What do you think? Constant conversion. Yes, sir. Okay. Tell me what it might look like. He said constantly evolving or changing. What would that look like for somebody who wants to be holy? Okay. So an understanding. What else would that be look like? Yes, man. Yeah. Constantly choosing God. Okay. So what's the first thing that has to happen for conversion to happen? Who acts first? I should say it like that. That's an easy question. Who acts first? God. Okay. Who acts second? Us. Okay. Can conversion act without both of those? Can conversion happen without both of those things happening? No. Okay. So do we believe God acts every time we receive the sacraments? I had this question last time, right? So yes. So now what is God waiting on? Us. Here's where it gets tricky in prayer. Have you ever asked God to move or to act or to do? Do you believe God has already moved? He's already acted and he's already done. Would you say he's already moved and acted and done? He has, hasn't he? Okay. So let's stop and here's a truth that sometimes we need to be reminded of. God's grace is in you. God wants to change you. God's waiting on you way more than you're waiting on him. God's waiting on you way more and he's way more patient. He's way more kind and tender and all he wants is right now for you to say yes. That's all. That's all he wants. Okay. So the proper disposition is this one of humility. That's the yes. Okay. So remember humility is a right understanding of who God is and who I am in relation to God. It is not, I'm so lowly and bad or I'm not so great. It's in between. I have, I'm kind of a mixed up jumble of all this stuff. I got problems, but I've also got gifts and God's done great things in me and I'm a child of God. It's a right understanding. It's not supposed to be depressive. Humility is not supposed to be depressive. I can humbly say I have gifts. You can humbly say I am talented. You can humbly say I'm good at this or whatever it might be. As long as it's not for the point of pointing just to me, but saying look at what God has done. So when I say something like I've got to care as I'm of intercession, that is a point of me because believe me, God's proven again and again through my intercession. It's not my power. It's the Holy Spirit because when I text somebody thinking, huh, I wonder what, you know, Joe's doing right now. Joe, you need anything for me to pray? And Joe's like, yeah, I just tripped and fell and I had a concussion and I'm sitting in the hospital right now in intensive care. Holy crap, Joe, I'm coming up there. You know, that's not me. God just acted. So this humility is the virtue without it's impossible to receive God's other gifts. And I think this is what happens is sometimes we say, well, I'm not good enough or I'm too good enough. That's where pride is. Pride's either I'm too good enough and sometimes this is the easy pride that we sometimes define pride by right. I'm so good. I don't need God. But it's also pride can also be I'm so lowly. God would never love me. This is pride too. And this in my, my estimation is actually a more dangerous pride in some ways because this is the one where you say never God because this person's easier because at some point they're going to probably be humbled in the sense of moving away from oh, something's bad. I need God, right? It's not going my way all the time. This person over here, you can just get worse and worse and worse, right? You know, I think of like this person right here is when I think about I think about my sister who was nearly bled out when she had internal bleeding and they had to put something like eight quarts of blood into her over the course of like a day and she was diagnosed with cancer in every feminine sexual organ that she had and it was cervical cancer is what she had and they took everything out of her and for five years she suffered intense radiation and chemo therapy to the point where her colon had become what the doctor called cement. And so they removed most of her colon. They had to remove all kinds of other things internally. She lost everything like Joe. She lost her job. She lost her freedom. She had to move in with my parents. She lost money. She had none and she was destitute. She lost friends because people said they didn't want to be around her because it was just too much for them to handle. Some of my family walked away and wouldn't didn't want anything to do with her and she suffered pain just like intense suffering. I can't imagine and days where she would just literally roll around in bed in agony because they couldn't do anything for her and she had that for five years before she died and on her most honest days of prayer like when she is just truly being honest. She'd say things like where are you God? Why won't you come change this God? Why won't you come cast this out God? Don't you love me God? My sister has had all her questions answered. That intense terrible suffering was not wasted. My sister was a great disciple. She worked in youth ministry for many years. A hero of mine. She's she's like 12 years older than I am. And my sister Samon in that suffering helped me to understand what it meant to carry the cross. And I asked her I said look this could be redemptive suffering for our siblings who don't go to church and don't believe right now. Would you off start offering that suffering for our siblings? Out of the three siblings we have one of them has returned to the church into the sacraments and is a believer. Another one is on the journey home and another one needs a lot more prayer. But I believe my brother who has come back to the church came back directly because of what Samon did for him. And it took sainthood of my sister to save my brother. It took hell for my sister so my brother could go to heaven. That's never easy friends. That's that doesn't make her cross any lighter. Those answers where are you God? I was right there Samon holding you in the palm of my hand. Well I want you to make it stop because I got a bigger plan. Don't you love me? Of course I love you. I love you so much. I want to take away all the other stuff so that I'm the only thing left for you. When is it going to stop? It's done now my daughter. That's prayer. That's humility. That's the disposition God wants. He doesn't want any fake you when you go to prayer. And sometimes you just need to let him know it right? And be okay with the fact that he's not going to be angry with you because of your struggle in your prayer or your problems in your prayer. So your prayer life, why do we let it slip? It's because of these things. We get discouraged because oh God isn't answering my prayer. He's not answering in the way I want or at the timeline I want. We doubt because we don't have a strong faith. We get impatient or we convince ourselves that it isn't God's will to pray for this thing. We give in to temptations that lead us away from prayer. I'm going to tell you about another prayer experience for myself. I had reached what you could possibly call the greatest layperson job in campus ministry in the world. I was running the day-to-day operations of the largest campus ministry in the world at Texas A&M, St. Mary's, which literally is known in Rome, which we put out a dozen vocations every year. We got 4,500 kids that go to Mass and we're opening the $31 million church. And the apex of St. Mary's ministry was when I was running it. And I'm like, oh, look at me. My boss is now Bishop of Tulsa. The guy who was my boss for 10 of the 11 years is Bishop of Tulsa. His predecessor is Bishop of St. Angel. You know all that stuff, right? So here I am at this height of this lay stuff. And I thought I'd retire, run in St. Mary's, walk off in the sunset, be like, yo, God, you know, rainbows and unicorns and glitter and everything's going to be great because I'm so great. And I asked God a stupid prayer. You ever had a stupid prayer with God? How about this one? Try this one on. If you don't know a stupid prayer, this is a beginner level stupid prayer. And then there's like advanced level stupid prayer. I was doing advanced level. This is a beginner level. God, give me patience. That's beginner level stupid prayer. Why is that stupid? Because he's going to give you the opportunity to practice. He's not just going to magically like now you're patient. He's like, hey, get stuck in traffic. By the way, your kid just left every toilet paper place empty in the entire house and you're on the toilet. Okay, that's like, okay. This is your opportunity for patients with your kid. Those kind of things, right? Okay, advanced level. You want to go above this? Pray something like this. Hey, God, maybe, you know, just maybe, you know, like if you didn't want me to have this job, would you make me know that? Yeah, and he did. He's like, oh, clearly I don't want you to have this job. I've been waiting for you to pray this prayer for years. I would like you to leave St. Mary's. And I was like, let's back that truck up. Okay, for real. I don't want to leave St. Mary's. That's where I wanted to start with this prayer actually. So make it so that I don't leave St. Mary's. Okay. He's like, no. I want you to leave your job, bald man. And I wrestled with God like Jacob wrestled with God for months. And then finally I couldn't do it anymore and I quit. I did not have a job. And I'm going to teach you something, a principle about following God or listening to your superiors that God has given and it's a right command that they've given you. Delayed obedience is disobedience. Delayed obedience is disobedience. And I didn't want to be disobedient and I quit my job and my wife and I freaked out because we didn't know what was going to happen. But the reason why I had to quit that job was so that a new generation could come in, the ones that I had already trained and mentored, the ones that I'm still mentoring, you know, a group of them at St. Mary's. And so that I could go do stuff with other people because God wanted me to use me in other ways. And I had to get out of the way of my own plan so that he could have a better one. There are dangerous prayers out there. And sometimes I think we've given to these temptations that God has bad stuff he wants to give us. And at the moment, we don't even understand what it is. And sometimes God wants to prune. Okay, so your emotions, how you feel does not determine truth. How you feel does not determine truth. But here's the other thing. What you think doesn't determine truth. God determines what is true. And he built it right into reason and logic and nature. Right? This is why we have science and philosophy and theology and we can understand and grow in these things. And he gave us the gifts of our logic so we could know it. But he also gave us prayer when there are spiritual truths and we can't just figure them out on our own. And we have to discern these things. And discernment comes from a deep understanding of what God wants of us by looking at the situation in life and then opening it up to the possibilities that God wants to give us, not just our own. So sometimes praying's like flying through a fog. You can't go by sight. You've got to go by your instruments. And the instruments of a pilot on a plane is going to be, you know, his keep it level, what, you know, what the altimeter is and all the other stuff, the speeds and other stuff. He's looking at his dials, right? Or her dials and, you know, you've got to keep it level. You want to go do what the... And the intellectual ascent to the truth of Jesus Christ in a relationship that goes with it is what we really need to do. And we can't just rely on our spiritual sweet tooth. And what I mean by that is, I don't know about you, but you've probably had really good experiences in prayer like highs, consolations and other stuff, right? Maybe last night was one of them in adoration. And if all we seek out is that, then we've got a spiritual sweet tooth. Sometimes it's going to be the day to day. I'm not actually into this, but I'm going to do it. And let me put it this way. How many of you guys are parents? Changed a diaper in the middle of the night or had a kid throw up all over you? Yeah? You ever want to do the throw up, clean up? Anybody ever like, this is amazing. I'm pretty sure there are hot dogs in here. No, unless you're just really freaky, okay? No, nobody wants that, okay? So the fact is, that's hard, but you do it. Why? Why? Because you love your kids and your family. It's the right thing to do. When you go to prayer and you don't feel like it, you go sometimes because it's the right thing to do and you love God. Which pleases God more? The prayer that comes easy where you get a lot out of it or the prayer that's difficult and you do anyway? It's the second. It pleases God because you had to make a tougher choice. And there's a bug right there, see? Go away, enemy. I reject you. It's that second. It's difficult. And God, it pleases his heart, okay? So don't rely on that others. So I got to skip a little bit here. And you guys know most of this stuff, okay? You got to intercede for other and pray with others and that's what we're about to do. Okay, so evangelization and problems in prayer, da, da, da. Okay, we're done. Okay, so what we're going to do, we're going to pray. Look, here's the thing. I'm going to teach you one of the skills I'm going to actually teach tomorrow and then we're going to do it. You ready? This is how we're going to end this session, okay? And so I'm giving you a forecast for the way we're going to run tomorrow's session, which is going to be very different than the one we just did, okay? Tomorrow is practical skills of how to go be an evangelist. I'm going to make you do stuff. So you want to talk about getting uncomfortable? I'll make everybody in here get uncomfortable. This is the kind of stuff I make bishops and priests do in Catholic leaders all the time, okay? Because I don't assume that people know how to do this stuff because they don't teach this stuff in seminary and grad school. And unless you actually go do it, you don't know how. Like preaching the gospel, giving your testimony and praying with others. So when I meet people, I regularly ask for prayers. I say, like a server at a restaurant. I'll start chatting them up. How you doing? You having a good day? Give them a smile. They ask how I'm doing and I'll crack a joke. Well, I'm not so good yet because I haven't had the caffeine and I'm a grumpy, surly old man before I get my caffeine like, me too, I need my coffee. And I'm like, yeah, coffee's like the angel dropping out brown drips of grace and love straight out of heaven onto my tongue. And they're like, oh, you're funny bald man. Not really. Ask my wife. She doesn't laugh at any of my jokes anymore. So anyway, so here I'm chatting up this person, you know, and they come back. Oh, need anything else? No, I'm doing fine. But how you been today? He's been busy out here today. Oh, it's been real busy. Oh, yeah. You know, and it's been crazy because, you know, my kid back home, you know, they're, I just have one of my kids move back and she's pregnant and, you know, her boyfriend got her pregnant, et cetera, et cetera. And I'll say, oh man, that's tough. What's your name? So, and so, I'm gonna pray for her. Comes, you know, ladies, at the end of it brings the check. Hey, so I'm gonna pray for your daughter, Sarah. You know, do you mind if we pray right now? Yeah. Here's the thing. Out of people I asked, do you have a prayer intention? Nine out of 10 of those people respond with a prayer intention. They will tell me something. These are people, did you know that the vast majority of people who self-identify as atheists actually pray regularly? Yeah, what are they praying to, right? So anyway, we're gonna talk about that kind of stuff tomorrow. But they'll respond. Nine out of 10 people will give you an intention. And when I say, do you want to pray right now? Nine out of 10 people actually say yes as long as I've done a little bit of that prep work of being like not a jerk guy, right? So here's what I want you to do. And I want you to do this with somebody you don't know so that we get a little bit uncomfortable. I want you to go find somebody you don't know, ask them for a personal intention. And here's what I mean by personal. I have to actually draw this out of the guys. Like I said, hey, all right. Okay, the other day on Tuesday morning I was in my hotel room doing a small group on Zoom because one guy's in Utah, one guy, I'm here. We're all in three different time zones this week so we couldn't do it in person. And I say at the end of it, okay, Jeff, Boe and James, what are we going to pray for? I need personal prayer intentions. And they're like, well, let's pray for my wife. Let's pray for my kids. I'm like, stop. We will pray for those people. I want to know what you personally spiritually need prayers for right now. Oh man, well, I'm really struggling right now. It's like, you know, loving my kids when they know the heck out of me. Okay, well, we can pray for that, right? That's what I want you to tell the other person and I want you to ask of them and then I want you to pray. So one person is going to go, next person is going to go and you're going to pray for each other. Okay, this is how we're going to end this session. Once you're done praying, you can leave. Or if you want other prayer, you can come to me and I will pray with you. Okay, but I'm going to stay, I'm going to just go on the back right outside the doors and we're going to do that. Okay, so what? Okay, we got three minutes to do this. Go find somebody, ask them their prayer intentions, give them to them. You don't know and pray with them.