 Thank you, Sue you want to do it again. We didn't have our mics on so if we can have the quote read again, please. Thank you, Mayor. There is there is a value to having common goals and the only way to create them is to listen to each other before we push our own agendas or dismiss the opposition. Thank you again, Sue, and the roll call, please. Born, Bauch, Bowers, Decker, Gisha, Hanna, Heidemann, Koth, Kittleson, Cliunas, Montemayor, Rindfleisch, Suric, Vanderwheel, Vu, and Wongamon. 15 present. Quorum is present. We will now be led in the Pledge of Allegiance by Alderman Decker. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Alderman Decker. Okay, we need approval of the minutes of the last council meeting. President Bourne. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I move to approve the minutes from the last meeting. Motion in a second. Under discussion. And it should be for the special meeting also. Okay, and also these would be to approve the minutes from the special meeting that we had. I'll include that in my motion. And a second. Under discussion. All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. I have a proclamation. This is the DNR Lab of the Year award for our folks from our Sheboygan wastewater treatment plant. Dale Doerr, Tom Toko, and Elle Zangler, who is, Elle is not able to be here this evening. This is a proclamation office of Mayor City of Sheboygan. Whereas the Sheboygan wastewater treatment facility was recently recognized by the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources with the 2009 Register Laboratory of the Year award. And whereas they were recognized in the large facility category for being exceptionally well grounded in the fundamentals of quality control and making outstanding efforts to produce quality data. And whereas the Sheboygan wastewater treatment facility extensively utilizes control charts to monitor quality control results and has an excellent system for capturing discharge monitoring report qualifications. And whereas Wastewater Department Superintendent Dale Doerr, Lab Supervisor Elle Zangler, and Lab Analyst Tom Toko take a great deal of pride in their work in producing quality of laboratory data. Now, therefore, I, Bob Ryan, by virtue of the authority vested in me as Mayor of the City of Sheboygan, do hereby congratulate our Sheboygan wastewater team being awarded the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources 2009 Registered Laboratory of the Year award. And I encourage all citizens of the City of Sheboygan to join me in recognizing their efforts to continue to offer quality data to the DNR to enable them to make regulatory decisions that protect natural resources and provide a healthy, sustainable environment. In testimony whereof, I have here on to set my hand and cause the great seal of the City of Sheboygan to be affixed on this first day of June in the year of our Lord 2009 signed by myself. I would like to add the wastewater treatment plant is one facility in our city that has consistently outperformed basically everybody in the state. Superintendent Dale Doerr has constantly strived to operate a wastewater plant that is cost effective and environmentally sound. And it's amazing that he has, you know, he's taken these strides on his own with the Consent of Council, but himself and his staff, I mean, they are what this says right here. They're the best in their field and I congratulate them. Thank you. Somewhat overwhelmed, I guess, but the lab has won this award and even though it specifically talks about the laboratory and the work they do down there, it's every one of the 16 employees down there that works that makes this system work. We have visitors from, I've had visitors from Ecuador, Chile, and across the United States to come and see our facility because of the innovative technology that we have installed down there. There's a lot of facilities that come in, even in the state that I've got visitors coming this week and next week to look at the system. So we put ourselves on the map and I hope that we can continue in that direction. Thank you. I just wanted to say that even though we received this at the wastewater treatment plant for the importance we put into helping to protect the environment, it actually is an award for the whole community because we're a reflection of the importance that the community puts on protecting our environment. Thank you. If I may add, I don't know if everybody recalls, but a couple years ago on the Council, we got a calendar from the wastewater treatment plant and it showed our methane turbines that we have down there that actually produce electricity from the methane that bubbles up out of the good stuff that they have down there. And on the next page, next to ours was Florence, Italy. So it goes to show you that our stuff is just as good as the people over in Florence. Okay, moving on, public forum. All right, this evening we have Richard Susha. Dick, can you pull the mic so that we can hear you and I will need your home address please. 15 North Point Drive. And you will have five minutes sir. Okay, Mayor Ryan and Alderman, I am representing the Sheboygan County Taxpayer Alliance this evening and we thank you for addressing many of the proposals we submitted to you last June of 08th. While all the items were not addressed, the ones that were are having a positive effect on the taxpayers of Sheboygan. And for that you are to be congratulated. SCTA is also encouraged by the star resolution you recently passed. We request that you continue your positive efforts in addressing our 2009 proposals. We refrain from listing any wants such as a new voting board for the council. And so we fully understand the enormous economic dilemma you're facing this year and our 2009 proposals stay focused on a feasible suggestion to institute now and some for the future. So we submit the following items for your consideration and action this year. There is a summary which I will go over this evening and then the entire proposal is attached to your agenda. Under cuts and concessions, cut national conferences, cut all national capital improvements except streets and sewers, cut employee free parking, and stop personal use of city vehicles. Cut full-time employees, hire part-time wherever possible, renegotiate health care coverage, renegotiate residency requirements, and renegotiate contracts to allow outsourcing. Some of these have been addressed in the past year or two. Under privatization, contract park work, contract garbage and plowing either throughout the city or partial, and replace the city attorney with a corporate council. Under consolidation, close one firehouse as is now being proposed, return the tourism department back to the Sheboyin County Chamber of Commerce and eliminate the bid director and utilize the chamber. Under shared services, we feel that the combined dispatch should be expedited not in a five-year period. And you should consider combining purchasing and cleaning for the city, county, and schools. And you should consider expanding the transit service, which is vital to Sheboyin and the area, and consider expanding water service and wastewater treatment service to more communities. And you should also consider a county-wide county-run library, Maywood Environmental Park, and a Wildwood baseball complex to be county run. For possible revenue sources, you should actively seek annexation. You should review all tax-exempt property in the city of Sheboyin, and you should look and increase if possible the building inspection fees, boat ramps, fishing shanty rentals, community centers, and so forth. And you should also follow through on the committee suggestions to hire a city administrator, reduce the mayor to part time, reduce the alderman from 16 to 10 to 8, and eliminate the mayoral assistant. Under miscellaneous, insist on transparency in the fire department ambulance service costs, and re-establish every other week community, committee of the whole meetings, and scrutinize the budget, the city budget, at these committee of the whole meetings line for line. And you have already talked about initiating a comprehensive priority study of departments and services, which we certainly agree with. We feel also you must have a 10-year development plan and a five-year plan for streets. And we wonder whatever happened to the vehicle leasing proposal that came up this past year. Nothing has been heard. We also in... Excuse me, Dick, would you like your additional minute? Yes, please. Go ahead. We also encourage industrial revenue bonds and start expanding that industrial part by using the million dollars owed to it from the police department. And there is a new state ruling that allows the cities to expand the TIF districts by a half a mile. In close, you will find an article from the Sentinel Journal that addresses that issue, and it certainly should help the the street situation in Cheboygan without bonding for them. So in conclusion, we again respectfully request that the mayor and Alderman address these issues presented at this session of the Common Council in a positive way to improve the quality of life for the taxpayers of Cheboygan. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Sousha. Okay, next up we have the mayor's comments, which is always one of my favorite parts. First of all, I have a couple of announcements. These are my type of announcements. These are fun things. Roll on Cheboygan Shores is going to take place June 12th and 13th, which is the weekend after this, on both Friday and Saturday, day and evening. It will begin Friday from, I believe it's Friday afternoon, and will go through Saturday evening. Down there they will have some bands on Friday night, Seven Wishes, Saturday, Bobby Evans and the Alamone Blues Band, and Dave Steffen also. There's going to be a lot of different events down there. It's a, if you've never been down there, it's a heck of a lot of fun. Also on Saturday, the 12th, same evening, there is a benefit for the Sharon S. Richardson Hospice called the Fashion on the Lake Benefit, which is also down on the South Pier District. It is in a tent. There are still tickets available for that. There's going to be some top-notch people modeling down there, including myself, so come and have some fun. If you want some information, Linda Jar is coordinating a lot of that, and her phone number is 8033117. 100% of the proceeds of this go to the Sharon Richardson Hospice. It's a very good event, so I'd appreciate people supporting these efforts. We had the start, which I appreciate some of Mayor Sousha's comments here, because we did start last Friday the groundwork for our long-term strategic plan for the city. We had a retreat, which we should have called it more of a an advance than a retreat, because we felt like we're going forward, but we got together myself, President Gisha, Vice President Boren, Vice President Gisha, thank you very much, and all of our department heads. We got together out on Cedar Lake at a private residence out there and started our long-term plan. We had a facilitator provided by CIVMIC, so the entire day did not cost the taxpayers anything except to pay us to obviously survive. What we got out of that was a lot of camaraderie that's been missing between department heads in the city. I look at tonight's quote and it says, there is a value to having common goals and the only way to create them is to listen to each other before we push our own agendas or dismiss the opposition. That's basically, that was the groundwork for this day, and I believe we have that feeling, that belief, and that cooperation that is going to exist between our different departments. What we did is everybody sat down and basically gave a couple of minutes or two rendering of what they felt they wanted to get out of that day, which was pretty productive to start the day. Then we went through and everybody wrote down a couple of accomplishments that they felt that they've accomplished in either their political career or their departments over the last year, so we started out on a positive note. Then we all wrote down five to half a dozen, six, seven different items in the city that we thought should be addressed, need to be addressed, whether they be something positive, that is something new for the city, or something that we are simply correcting to gain some efficiencies in something that we have right now or possibly cutting something out altogether. And out of those, we came up with breaking down into individual, we came up with, I mean, we had probably a hundred different notes posted up on a board of different ideas. We categorized all them into different categories that we thought they should belong, whether it was efficiency savings or whether it was basically cooperation and communication. And then out of those, everybody got 15 votes to put little tick marks on them. You could vote 15 times, no more than one for every issue up there, and we identified the issues that we want to start working on, which is what we're doing right now. Now we're going to schedule another meeting with everybody that we get out of the city once again at the end of July, but between now and then, we have to accomplish these tasks. We're now having department head meetings with all the department heads once a week, rather than just on Council Mondays, to facilitate this process and keep everything moving along. But some of the ideas that everybody deemed these got the most votes on the initial things to work on right now were one, to expand or develop a new business center and corporate business part. Another one, and these aren't in any particular order, prioritization of all city services, establish better communications with the county and adjoining towns, develop a sense of trust between all the department heads and all the members of the Common Council. This is basically a communication thing where everybody gets to know each other. They can work together on common ideas rather than getting surprised sometimes, not that it's ever happened. Create a new management pay plan. We've been working without pay plans in this city and a lot of our non-representative represented employees, and we've never differentiated management from non-represented employees. Develop a knowledge of the demographics of the city and the changing demographics in the city to see that what we are doing is positive for all citizens, rather than just for ourselves. Or what we believe is the right thing to do. We need to figure out exactly who's living in our city and what their needs are. Another thing was to foster an environment of open communication and training to facilitate increased trust and respectful relationships among city leadership. Another big one was sustainable union contracts, union contracts that that our represented employees can live with and that the city economically can live with in the future. Those were just some of the ideas we came up with and we plan on tackling these and coming up with some solid answers in the next several weeks and then we're going to meet again and move on to the next phase of this. We hope that by the end of the year we do have a long-term strategic plan for the city, which will be both a plan for our infrastructure, a plan for our business operations and a plan for long-term sustainability of the city. We've started it. We're heading in that direction. We will have this discussed along the way at the committee of the whole that it will be a transparent process, that everything will be out there, that the that the citizens will be informed on exactly where we are on this process and this is why I wanted to bring this up tonight. I thought it was a very good session that we had. I think we had a lot of department heads that took some time to talk to each other that probably have it in several years. That's the kind of cooperation that we need. We also need the common council to buy in into this, which is why we're going to have the have it discussed at the committee of the whole on several several occasions through the process. I would have liked to have had more members of the council but then there would have been you know some quorum issues and all. So that's why unfortunately we had to have limited to President Boren and Boren and Vice President Gisha. So I thank all our department heads for attending and President Boren and Vice President Gisha and we shall keep you informed in the future. Thank you. The consent agenda, our own number 5-1 through 5-38. Oh I'm sorry if we can hold off please. Alderman Cleyunus. Thank you. I'm sorry I was a little late on the draw. I'm just reminding all the council members at tomorrow night's committee of the whole meeting here at 5-30. If you cannot make it would you please let me know. Thank you. And we will be discussing one issue the dear problem on the north side. Okay thank you. Thank you Gene. Now the consent agenda. President Boren. Thank you Mayor Ryan. I make a motion to accept and file all our O's and accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances. Second. We have a motion in the second under discussion. Have a roll call please. Boren. Aye. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Heidemann. Aye. Coth. Kittleson. Aye. Cleyunus. Aye. Montemayor. Rinflaich. Surek. Aye. Vanderwheel. Voo. Aye. And Wongaman. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. We have 5-39 through 5-42 to be referred. 5-43 by the City Clerk submitting a communication from the Sheboygan Salmon Cup Committee requesting approval to use the parking lot between the Wharf and the Duke of Devon on June 13th and 14th. Looking for a motion? Motion to accept and file. And approve. We have a motion in the second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries. 5-44 by the City Planning Commission recommending adopting the Taylor Drive District Master Plan and resolution number 12-09-10 by Alderman Hanna adopting the Taylor Drive District Master Plan. Alderman Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move that the RO be accepted and placed on file and the resolution be put upon its passage. We have a motion in a second under discussion. Alderperson Cleyunus. Thank you, Mayor. It was suggested that maybe this would go to the Committee of the Whole. I don't know if people feel as if... I know we were given this information some time ago and it's been synthesized. Maybe there's some discussion on that whether we want to discuss it in Committee of the Whole or not. The City Planning Department was kind of looking at that possibility. Would anybody else like to see this go to the Committee of the Whole? It's under discussion. Alderman Bowers. I make a motion that we place it before the Committee of the Whole so it may be discussed by the members of the Committee of the Whole. Second. We do have a motion in the second to send it to the Committee of the Whole. Any further discussion? All in favor of referring this to the Committee of the Whole? Aye. Opposed? It's off to the Committee of the Whole. 545 through 548, 558, excuse me, 545 to 58 to be referred. 559, resolutions introduced three. By Alderman Gisha, authorizing the submittal of a substantial amendment to the City of Sheboygan's Fiscal Year 2008-2009 Community Development Block Grant Annual Action Plan slash Five-Year Consolidated Plan to Allocate and Use American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 Funding. Alderman Gisha. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. We have a motion in this, and pardon me, this also calls for a wish to suspend the rules. We do have a motion to suspend in a second. Under discussion, I'd like to Alderman Renflesh. I'd like to ask, answer Alderman Renflesh's question he's about to ask. There you go. Reason for the suspension is that this has to do with with Shovel Ready project, projects potentially for Community Development Block Grant funds. We need to get the application in quickly. These were additional funds allocated to the City of Sheboygan through the Economic Recovery Program national flown into state and now hopefully will flow to us. That's the reason for the suspension question. So we have a motion in a second to suspend the rules. Any further discussion? All in favor of suspending the rules? Opposed? Motion carries to suspend the rules. Now we need a we do have a motion and a second to pass the resolution. Under discussion. Alderman Hanna. Just a question on what the the financial impact on the city is going to be. What's the total dollar amount that could possibly flow into the city and has there been any calculation? I know a lot of times what they're counting on that this money is going to stay in our economy and there's going to be a multiplier effect. Has anybody done any work on that? Vice President Gesha. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. Yeah a little. I say a little only because if you go to the state website where it tracks these federal funds that are spinning off this Recovery Act money for instance it shows the City of Sheboygan about 2.4 million dollars that we're getting. Well that's really not quite right. 2 million out of the 2.4 for transit buses. They're going to buy us was about a half five to a half dozen transit buses but we get 80% of those funds anyway so really that's 400,000 dollars. We would have gotten the the 1.6 from the feds anyway. It's way it always works. That's how all your transit buses you see are purchased. We only pay 20% of those costs. So in this case this is additional community development block grant money on top of our normal allocation of community development block grant money and on top of that they change the rules as to how these funds can be used. Generally the plan for the funds the second level of community development block grant money is for expansion and or retention of new jobs and in development areas that are of different sets of rules than the other block grant money. This is not in non-attainment zones or stuff like that. This can be have a little bit more wide usage. So the idea of these funds would be to hopefully and there's plans that you'll see through the council to put those funds to work to develop tax base where the other funds are more redevelopment of which also helps the tax base in the long run. Redevelopment of some non-attainment areas. So we're excited about these additional monies. Out of all the additional monies these seem to be the most that would be able to do what you're talking about doing. Thank you Vice President Gisha. Any further discussion? Have a roll call please. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Heidemann. Aye. Koth. Thank you. Kittleson. Aye. Clayunas. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rinflesch. Aye. Zurich. Aye. Vanderweal. Aye. Vu. Aye. Wangaman. Aye. And Boran. Aye. 15 ayes. Motion passes. Our resolution 5-60 by Alderman Gisha Boran and Bauch calling on the appropriate city officials and leaders of all unions representing members employed by the city of Sheboygan to gather as the Labor Management Committee to discuss options for assisting the citizens of Sheboygan in these unprecedented economic times. All Vice President Gisha. Thank you Mayor Ryan. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second. Under discussion. If I may continue thank you Mayor Ryan. You know the city has a lot of meetings. There's a lot of committees. There's a lot of things to attend and sometimes we get lost in the shuffle of attending those. If citizens were attend to me one meeting this year if you're concerned about your property tax dollars it would be this meeting. This meeting is a gathering of our city labor partners the mayor and the chairman of the salary and grievance committee this year Alderperson Corey Bauch. At this meeting is the appropriate venue for the discussion of our economic issues and things that our partners would be willing or non-willing to do. I felt we gave a fair presentation a few months ago with the committee the whole and discussed our economic issues and asked for help and ideas from our labor partners. There has been none in response. We asked again and there has been none in response. So this is a formality so nobody can say nobody was asked. We're asking. We've got problems. There's a one and a half percent raise scheduled to go in effect in July and I believe another raise in December. We have issues. We have huge financial issues and this is an open meeting to be held June 10th. Now this meeting is the same night as the public protection and safety committee meeting. Normally these meetings are held in the third floor of the city hall. I urge the mayor and Alderman Bauch I'll send him a note as well to hold this meeting right here on TV so that the citizens can see in an open meeting format a give and take between labor and the employers which are all the city residents who are watching here tonight and with a formal asking for help during these economic times and I think it would be wonderful and open and good government to have as many citizens who have interest to be here or to be watching on TV. So I didn't put that on the resolution but I urge that it be televised and use your best discretion. And thank you for that suggestion Vice President Guesha. We greatly appreciate that. That will be on June 10th at five o'clock p.m. So we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Opposed? Motion carries. 561 through 563 lies over. Report of committee 6, 564 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 73-94 based upon the applicant's failure to cooperate with the committee and record of violations related to the licensed activity. President Boren. Thank you Mayor Ryan. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. Second. We have a motion and a second under discussion. Under discussion Mayor is Holly Zimmerman here tonight. She's not here your honor. Ms. Zimmerman had two opportunities to appear before the law and licensing committee. The second one by certified mail. She failed to appear and for the reasons you mentioned previously the the lack of cooperation with the committee and her violations related to the licensed activity. The committee voted unanimously not to grant the license. Thank you President Boren. Any further discussion? Take a roll call on this and a yes vote will be to deny the license. Boren and Bowers. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Ordinance introduced 10, 565 to be referred to public works. Matters laid over 11. 4-33. Resolution number 10-09-10 by Alderman Cleyunus declaring the city of Sheboygan's intent to undertake an energy independent community 25 by 25 planning project in the near future Alderman Cleyunus. Thank you Mayor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second second. Have a motion and a second under discussion. I just like to explain this a little bit. It's in progress right now in a sense the 25 by 25 planning project is a proposal at statewide that cities sign up to pledge that by the year 2025 25 percent of their energy will come from renewable sources. That happens to be the alliance energy goal as well so 25 percent of our electricity by 2025 will be coming from renewable sources and this would mean then we'd be looking at other the other energy sources like fuel other means that we use for heating and for propelling vehicles. As I understand the city buildings were underwent an energy audit last two weeks ago a week ago Friday by the alliance energy which was free and they went through this building and they also went through the city just this building okay to look at some of the ways in which we're using energy and how they could recommend to us to you know conserve energy by maybe some new technology or some other uses other means of adjusting the way this building is operated. So this is a very forthright and future looking thing resolution that should save the city money and put us in line for state monies by making this project part of our pledge we also make ourselves eligible for state grant money and by June 25th we are going to be applying for some renewable energy grant money so this is important for that. Thank you Jean. Any further discussion? We have a motion in a second or a roll call please. Gisha. Hi. Hannah. Hi. Heidemann. Hi. Koth. Hi. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunas. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rindfleisch. Hi. Sirk. Hi. Vanderwheel. Hi. Vue. Hi. Longamon. Hi. Bloren. Hi. Bowers. Hi. And Decker. Hi. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Matters laid over 4-34 resolution number 11-09-10 by Alder, Alderpersons. Gisha. Clayunas. Boren. Montemayor. And Heidemann authorizing the finance director to enter into a contract for buildings and property insurance coverage. Vice President Gisha. Thank you Mayor Ryan. I moved that the resolution should be put upon a passage. Second. You have a motion in a second. Under discussion. Alderman Bowers. Thank you your Mr. Mayor Ryan. I was wondering if I could just have a copy. I'm not posing this at all. 4-34 and 4-48 which are insurance contracts. I would just like to take a look at them. But I'm not trying to stop the passage of it. Okay. Normally on those copies you would obtain those before the meeting. Finance Department would have them. Finance Department can get those to you. Alderman Rindfleisch. Thank you Mr. Mayor. My question is of course regarding the non-bid process. I am aware that the state of Wisconsin local government property insurance is affordable and is provided as a reasonable rate as listed in the resolution. I just need some verification that it actually is the lowest possible rate since we haven't gone into a biddy process on this one. Can we have uh Terry would you like to answer that? I guess the question is not would you like to but will you? Is our finance director Terry Hansen? Yes these these rates that we have are approximately about six thousand dollars higher than last year's premium and that the main reason for that increase is the new police department building that that was constructed and moved into last year. So that that was accounted for the increase. Hello. Question that I actually have would be well the Wisconsin local property insurance fund is reasonable. Do we know if it's actually the lowest available rate since it hasn't gone for bid yet? We have not gone out for bid to to check that out but that is something that we can take under advisement and look at that in the future upcoming renewals. Alderman Bowers. Under 448 workers compensation is that a policy first-dollar coverage or are we self-insured by the workers? Right right now Alderman Bowers we're still on 434. Oh all right. 448 will be coming up next. All right I'm sorry. Thank you Terry. Any further discussion? Roll call please. Hannah. Heidemann. Cough. Kittleson. Clayunas. Montemayor. Rindfleisch. Cirque. Vanderwheel. Vu. Wongamund. Born. Bowers. Decker. And Gisha. 12 eyes. 3 nose. Motion carries. 4-48 RC number 26-09-10 by sale reason grievances recommending that the city continue with exchanging formally Cambridge integrated services group the city's workers compensation TPA through December 31st 2009 with the flexibility to change carriers for the year 2010. Vice President Gisha. Thank you. Mayor Ryan I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. The RC. The report of committee be accepted and adopted. Thanks. Do we have a second? Second. Motion and a second under discussion. Alderman Rindfleisch. Similar question to previous issue. Did the agreement with exchanging go through the bid process before deciding if this is the best opportunity or not? Terry. This was not a bid process. This was the company changed ownership in essence and this is allowing us to continue coverage with the new company under the same contract that we had with Cambridge and then this opens up the doors for possibility to go out for that that competitive bid for this administration in 2010. Thank you. Alderman Rindfleisch. Thank you, Terry. Any further discussion? Roll call please. Heidemann. Kaath. Kittleson. Clayunas. Montemayor. Rindfleisch. Surik. Vanderweal. Vu. Longerman. Blan. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. And Hannah. Fifteen eyes. Motion carries. Four dash fifty. General ordinance number one dash zero nine dash ten by Alder persons about Kittleson Kaath. Heidemann and Gisha amending the municipal code so as to reclassify the position of cable tv production coordinator the position goes from non-represented to local 1564 of the ASME union. Alder person Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I would ask for a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage. Second. We have a motion and a second under discussion. Under discussion I think you said it all it's a position that goes from a non-represented to a to a union position. And if I if I may clarify here the reason this went from non-represented to a represented position is this was not a confidential position this was not a professional position or a management position and therefore the union had the right to make this a represented position. So that is why it is now there. Thank you jean. Thank you. President Boran. You answered my question here. Thank you. Any further discussion? Roll call please. Kaath. Kittleson. Clayunas. Montemayor. Rinfleshe. Surek. Vanderwheel. Vu. Wongaman. Boran. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. Hannah. And Heidemann. 14 ayes 1 no. Motion carries. 4-51. General ordinance number 2-09-10 by Alder person's bout. Kittleson, Kaath, Heidemann, and Gisha amending the municipal code so as to delete the part-time account clerk in the finance department's table of organization. Alder person Kittleson. Thank you mayor. I'd ask for motion to put the ordinance upon its passage please. Second. We have a motion in a second under discussion. Under discussion the same. The that position has been eliminated I believe and so it no longer needs to be on that table of organization. Very good. Any further discussion? Roll call please. Kittleson. I. Clayunas. Montemayor. Rinfleshe. Zurich. Vanderwheel. Vu. Wongaman. Boran. Bowers. Decker. Gisha. Hannah. Heidemann. And Kaath. 15 ayes. 4-52. General ordinance number 3-09-10 by Alder person's Decker, Boran, Gisha, Hannah, and Zurich reducing the current salaries of Alder person's by six percent. Alderman Decker. Thank you Mr. Mayor. I move that the ordinance be put upon its passage. We have a motion in a second under discussion. Under discussion Mr. Mayor. I believe especially during these hard times it's key that we as Alderman lead by example. We will be asking for a lot from our departments in this upcoming year to help us get beyond these challenges. Which is why I believe that it is only right that we give a little something back as well. We're all in this together. Thank you. Thank you Alderman Decker. Alder person Kaath. Thank you Mayor Ryan. How noble of my fellow Alderman to make the suggestion of decreasing our pay. This is full-time work with part-time wages. We make the most important decisions here at City Hall with the least amount of pay. Now here's the thing. If we wanted to increase our pay we need three fourths vote so 12 Alderman 12 votes and that pay will not increase until we are reelected. To diminish our pay we need to have a two-thirds vote or nine votes of nine Alderman and then that pay can be decreased immediately. The message that we're sending here is if you're thinking about running for Alderman and you're on the fence you know what at any given time nine Alderman can say hey let's decrease our pay six percent 25 50 percent and that goes into effect immediately. I really don't think that's the message that we should be sending. Thank you. Alder person Montemire. Thank you. I promised Alderman Decker that I would support this and I do reluctantly even though I looked at my expenses right now after expenses I make I clear 58 dollars and 34 cents a year so this will cost me some money but I will reluctantly support this. However I would like to make one amendment. In section three effective for the 2010-2011 council year I would like to strike and thereafter and change the words to return to the present salary. Thank you. Because the common council then can vote again to reduce the wage but I would like to at least make that amendment so that perhaps we'll come back to the present salary which is with the salary that was when I was elected and by the way Alderman previous Alderman Vanderweel and I the first year we reduced our salaries we gave back 10 percent it didn't make a drops where the difference but I'm willing to go support Alderman Decker's motion. So we have a motion in a second now we are discussing the amendment the amendment being that section three in the general ordinance the words and thereafter shall be struck so therefore it will read effective for the 2010-2011 council year the salaries of Alderperson shall be 43.88 per year. Everybody clear on that? This is discussion just on the amendment. That's not right. Thank you Mayor Ryan. Instead of thereafter the words will be inserted return to present salary effective for the 2010-2011 2011 and then return to the present salary after that. Okay does that make sense right yeah this if you strike the end thereafter it just says effective for 2010-2011 it'll be 43. I talked with the attorney and he said no that would mean we would be zero. Steve right if you just my opinion just struck thereafter then you're just setting a salary for the 2010-2011 council year and there would be no salary set beyond that. So Alderman Montemayor is suggesting that effective with the 2011-2012 council year the salary would revert to the current salary of I believe it's around $4,600. $4,668. I believe that's the intent of the amendment. Thank you attorney McLean. We got that one down soon. We do I think. This is just on the amendment. Alderman Kittleson you're good okay Alderman Bowers on the amendment only would you like to talk about that. Thank you. I was against this from the beginning six percent reduction if we're going to amend it then I take it it's going to be at the beginning of 2010 we will we vote back to original. No and you will keep your same pay until 2010 in effective January 1st 2010 through December 31st oh no this will be for the council year so that would be it would be from April to April it'd be a council year so April of 2010 to the following it it will drop to six by six percent and then after that council year if the amendment passes then it would go back to the current salary it is now which is 4668 so it'll be April of 2010 it's not it's not a calendar year it's a council year right that's when it would drop for the from April of 2010 to April of 2011 correct no that's not what this says it's contradictory section two and three are different yeah I I guess what Alderman Meyer much more are suggesting would be to say effective for the 2010 2011 council year and thereafter the salary would be 4668 68 you're saying currently it would reduce but effective next April it would go for the 2010 2011 council year it would revert back to it current salary unless the council were to change it again so you're looking at one period that you're going to reduce that it would be now until now until April partial so this will read and thereafter well if that's the case all right because if that isn't passed and then it goes past that piece the people that are elected in 2010 including everybody in the council to increase that salary back would take another vote by this body and it wouldn't go into fact tell after they've been in office a year maybe two years so right now it's April of 2010 that it goes back to that it goes back and it goes back if it has to be April couldn't be January December 31st it's the elected council year okay yep all right well just so that that clarification was brought out president board thank you marine i'm going to support i'm going to support the amendment and if time if if times are as tough next April as they are now i would i would personally support another year of a six percent reduction but i'm i'm going to support allerman montemayers amendment okay on the amendment only any further discussion may we explain the amendment now i believe what the amendment is is that basically on section three effective for the 2010-2011 council year and thereafter the salaries of all the persons shall be 46 68 per year all right so you want to do it that way and leave it and thereafter okay we can do that in this way here the the six percent if this is the amendment is voted for and the the ordinances voted for would become effective from now effective from now until the next council year which is april of 2010 so alderman montemayer then all you want to change in section three would be the number 46 68 that would be just fine okay everybody clear on that okay a vote on the amendment only do we need a roll call on that oh yeah roll call please on the amendment sorry yes you do on the amendment oh yeah okay this is the amendment clainess yes montemay or windflash syrac vander wheel voo wangaman born bowers no decker gisha hannah heidemann koth and kittleson it's 12 eyes and three nose on the amendment the amendment passes um now on the amended on the ordinance as amended any further discussion have a roll call on the ordinance as amended um turn him clean thank you your honor just just a comment to the council i do think it's important for informed citizens running for all their person to know what the salary is for the upcoming term maybe it's important to an individual maybe it's not to the majority but maybe it is to an individual and so i guess what i would suggest is before the council the next council year uh you know earlier than that the council should look at it if you want to change the salary you might want to do it ahead of time for the new council year but but uh set it so that people although i guess people would be running by or finally by november anyway so uh but i you know i think there's a point to got some new order people here just got elected they ran maybe the salary was important to them maybe it wasn't but now uh if a majority reduces the salary so be it that's uh you've got the right to do that but uh it may have an effect on some individuals thank you attorney mclean vice president gisha thank you mayor ryan uh i appreciate attorney mclean's comments but only outside only in government is it a suggestion that you let somebody know that their pay might change or not there are hundreds of citizens in this city this is no reflection certainly in your comments Steve i think they were very appropriate but there are hundred people in these citizens in this city whose pay went down to zero with no advance warning there's a number of people who are employed their pay was reduced or their cost of benefits went up it happens every day outside of government government seems to think there's some sort of guarantee or your or your audit or it's or it's a uh an entitlement mentality life changes businesses adapt our community adapts the only thing it doesn't really adapt is this stuff uh or adapts very gingerly and slowly so as far as changing somebody's wage in midstream or increasing somebody's cost of benefits or changing something that's a fact of life of everyday life outside of this building so i see no problem changing it midstream right after right before we are reacting to the economy we're reacting to the needs of our citizens uh this is a fairly modest gesture to say the least but at least it shows that we're all willing to step up and uh if we need to change it again we should change it again that's the only way we're going to survive in our current economic conditions thank you vice president geisha alderman rindflash thank you mr. mayor i guess echoing to some degree um vice president geisha's uh comments i am one of those people that have lost their income salary without any uh notice or warning um having said that though i wholeheartedly support the cutbacks of the six percent as well uh we will be asking i think all aspects of the city government to to look at how we can save in it and as alderman ducker as he proposed this came up said it's it's not much but it's the least we can do to show that uh we're serious about really reforming all of government the problem i have is now with the uh the amendment as we've made now um uh the the issue generally if to raise the salary is a three-quarters of motion we've somehow seemed to have backdoored this to that we will be going up only by majority vote of this uh agreement so we majority uh can decrease our salary but by passing this in a way it's only majority is going to increase our salary back next year which i think is a way around the more appropriate way of having three-quarters vote to raise a salary so i wholeheartedly support i will be voting for it because whatever we can do helps i would have preferred however though that the the salary been permanent um and then a three-quarters majority as usually is required to raise a salary next year or any council thereafter would have made that motion to do so as well so i will support it but um i said i would have preferred not having the the amendment in there thank you thank you alderman rindflash any further discussion we'll call please okay this is on the ordinance as amended montemay or rindflash sirk vander wheel voo wangaman bloren bowers decker gisha hannah heidemann kath kittlesen and clayunas 14 eyes one motion carries other matters authorized by law five dash 66 in our o by the city clerk submitting a communication from jason popp and ryan messner requesting permission to hold shaboy shaboy again county rocks childhood cancer on august 22nd at dylan park to benefit st jude children's research hospital that will be referred to ppns five dash 67 a resolution by alder person kittlesen authorizing the repair and reconstruction of sanitary sewers and related pavement repairs in the area of eerie avenue between 25th street and 27th street as the result of a collapsed sanitary sewer alder person kittlesen thank you mayor first i would ask for a suspension of the rules on this one and thank you and i will explain that because this was an emergency we all know that what's going up there on eerie avenue on between 25th and 26th that it's an emergency and our department of public works had to spring into action immediately on this one so there wasn't time to do much and now we need to authorize our our finance director to draw on the wastewater fund that reason being to start we need to start paying the bills so thank you any further discussion on the suspension all in favor opposed okay we uh have the suspension of the rules and i would ask for a resolution a motion to put the resolution upon its passage have a motion in a second under discussion president borne thank you mayor ryan i know this is an emergency and it's coming being drawn on the wastewater uh fund sanitary sewer maintenance account uh is there any idea just a rough idea by public works how much this project is going to cost or it's just kind of open ended because it's an emergency right now um as they've been moving along it's my understanding which dave biebel is here to probably explain it better but as they're moving along and they're scoping the sewer they're finding more and more of it has collapsed and it just seems to be ongoing luckily heading west by the way for public consumption the gas leak that happened today was not the result of one of our city crews it was a private contractor that struck the gas mean just so we uh make that clear and i do commend our fire department for making sure that uh everything ended ended up with no uh no injuries there um would you like dave to speak on that yeah dave if you want to make a couple we need a motion to open the floor dave biebel is motion in a second to open the floor all in favor opposed dave um thank you very much mayor and common counsel uh real quickly the the project we should be winding down we've we've televised up to 27th street that's where the collapses seem to end so we should be there by friday with the repair work um and at this point talking with the general contractor as of last week they expended about 150 thousand dollars um we had extended another block from 26 to 27th because we found more collapsed sewer that is estimated between another 50 to 75 000 so we're over 200 000 looking at pavement repairs for this entire project right around 100 to 125 000 so it's about in the end around 350 to 400 000 um expenditure but it it was a major project very deep sewers critical we had the 30 inch water main that serves the reservoirs on the west side of shabuagan as well as the village of kola and shabuagan falls as well as the 24 inch water main that was right underneath our excuse me above this sewer that serves a large portion of the south side of shabuagan as well so it's very critical to get out there get these sewers repaired to prevent any further sewer backups as well as undermining of these critical water mains thank you do any further questions no further discussion may we have a roll call please rindflash sirk van der wheel voo wangaman born bowers decker gisha hannah heidemann koth kittleson claunas and montemayor 15 eyes motion carries no 5-68 lies over 569 to be referred to public works 5-70 a resolution by alderman hannah authorizing the use of the parking lot located between blue harbor and the triple play building for the annual roar on the shore event alderman hannah motion to put the resolution upon its passage the motion in a second under discussion all in favor opposed motion carries other matters authorized other matters uh attorney mclean communication is a matter of record for mitzi splater of the shabuagan park project informing the council they will be holding their first annual walk-in roll event on sunday june 14th from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. having a brought fry at ebony's or ucc family activities a one mile walk or roll and a 5k walk or roll that lies over 5 72 as an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2010 and june 30 2011 referred to law and licensing 5 73 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2010 and june 30 2011 also referred to law and licensing 5 74 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from quality state oil company ink requesting that a single pole sign be removed so as to make driveway access easier and safer that will go to public protection and safety 5 75 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting communication from loretta gilbertson regarding her concerns over a compost pile that it's 15 to 20 feet high on the edge of her property the smell and mold coming from it is very bad it's public works 5 76 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting a communication from sam garen staff representative of ashmi wisconsin council 40 giving a notice of intent for shabuagan dpw employees local 20 39 ashmi wishes to negotiate changes and wages hours and working conditions for employees of the city represented by this union to salary and grievances 5 77 is communication from mr. garen giving a notice of intent for shabuagan city employees city hall local 1564 wishing to negotiate changes and wages hours and working conditions for employees of the city represented by this that will also be referred to salary and grievances motion is second to adjourn all in favor all right supposed we are adjourned thank you very much