 He actually changed my mind quite a bit on the subject as you think it could be a threat now. You don't know and free will because I you I Never like before I met Lex like Yesterday before that I thought that free will was just an illusion and everything It's a result of causality, right right determine determinism. That's right. A lot of people don't know what that that's called determinism, but Lex came up with the Like very good argument and now I am not so sure anymore. I think both things are true I think it's like many things involving human beings There's not an absolute in one side or the other for sure Free will is a thing because we both know about Discipline we both know how difficult it is like you know more than anybody how difficult it is when you're in Like a full training camp and you're exhausted, but you know you have the work That you have to do and there's some people that will find a way out of that work They'll they'll quit or they'll they'll not answer their phone or they'll take time off And then there's other people that would just bite down and deal with it and and be uncomfortable But do the work that's free will that's that's discipline. There's something But why can you do it and why can other people not do it? Like what about how much of your personality was instilled upon you because of your genetics because of your life Experiences because of the environment that you you grew up in how much of it was the people that you Experienced when you were younger that showed you the value and the benefit of hard work And how many of the people that you mirrored were lazy and and then found excuses And maybe you maybe you lean towards them How much of determinism is true how much of free will is true? It's a balance There's there's a lot of both things that's that's right. I you know in a mechanical world if a car Brokes, we're not gonna see this the car decide To break right or if a tree is fall down We're not gonna see the trees decide to break Maybe the asymmetry of the true mate makes it falls down mate There's a reason why but I feel that us as human beings sometime or ego want us to be in Control of the universe, which is I do not believe it's the case. So that's why I tend to before I met Lex I was a hundred percent convinced there is no free will and You know everything is Determined by causality now. I'm not so sure because about we thought we would talk about consciousness What it is and and he had some incredible argument and he made me see a different point of view that I never Never seen before well, just think about this think about how many people seek out inspiration Think about how valuable it is like Matt Frazier was on my podcast a couple of weeks ago He was a five-time CrossFit champion and one of the things that he does now He has this art collection that he's selling on his website and all it's all these Inspirational quotes and the idea is to put up this art with all these inspirational quotes And that will give you fuel to get through your workouts or get through difficult things that you want to do in your life We all are like how many people post inspirational things online and then how many people like You know read those things and get excited and it inspires them to action. There's some real cause and effect That's right where there's inspiration and then there's action that's motivated by that inspiration Whether it's going to the rocks Instagram and watch him at five o'clock in the morning the rock you're working out In the in the the church of iron, you know like all the shit that that guy does or all these other Cam Haines or David Goggins All these other inspirational people that are online. Why are they so? Motivational why did so many people flock to them because there's there's a reality to the there's a give and take to these Things and there's certain things that inspire you to action and you can externally be motivated by those things It's not necessarily a hundred percent determinism. There's there is some free will well However, there's for example a coat that can inspire you But to me it doesn't have the same effect because of my background It doesn't get me to my core because I cannot rely really much to it So it's a little bit of determinism because it's the causality that makes it who I am and who you are that Makes it that the effect of that coat as on you it is different than it has on me Or you could both grow up in the same environment. You could have a brother That's inspired by things that are not even remotely inspirational to you, but to him. It's everything Whether it's music or whether it's a movie or a book or whatever it is. It's true like in in families very often you have someone who's Going the right way and may perhaps one of his sibling will go the wrong way Yeah, and we always tend to say oh we don't understand because they've been raised the same way But they did not the moment you you take one of your kid in your arm And the other one is looking at The kid that you're you know, it's it changed everything. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's very hard to understand I but but I'm not saying that I'm convinced that there is no free will but I I Don't know now. He didn't completely convince me. He didn't complete me make me change my mind But he's got his point in and now Man, I don't know. I think the real Problem is people that are convinced one way or the other that's the real problem because it is an open-ended on Conversation, I don't think they're really I think determinism is a real factor But I also think will is a real factor too, and that there's something about The open-ended variability of your decisions and what you decided to do what you don't decide to do and there's moments in your life We go Fuck it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go for it and when you do go for it your life changes Like what makes you say fuck it? I'm gonna go for it. It depends entirely on what happened that day to you It depends entirely on how you feel whether or not you got rest whether or not you you broke up with a Girlfriend or she broke up with you or you got fired from a job or you quit a job Well, you took on a new path in life like all those different things play a factor But there's also your own personal decision-making that's based on your own personality and maybe your own life experiences There's so many things involved, but for sure. We all value Discipline we all value the ability to take action. Well, why do we do that? Because we know it's a variable who it comes and goes it ebbs and flows and sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not It's like what is that expression? There's an old expression. I don't remember who said it But that inspiration is like bathing. It's effective, but you need to do it daily And I think there's something to that It's like you need to seek out inspiration and that's why again people like David Goggins are so Inspirational because you can go to his page every day and that motherfuckers run 30 miles a day You know I mean like there's something to that like you get you get you get fuel out of that There's people like my friend Cam Haynes. There's people or the rock or whoever it is. They give you fuel You see them training hard. You go all this fuel in that. I want to go train. They are unbreakable Yeah, an unbreakable will and this is very Inspirational yeah, that's right. So there's two things happening. There's one. It's like Yeah, you are a lot of who you are because of genetics and because of life experience and because of all the things that have happened to you But there's also decisions that you make there's lines in the sand where you draw there's moments when you say I'm going to do something different now I'm tired of this shit like people that are drunk their whole life and fucked up on drugs and then one day they go Enough enough. I don't want to do this anymore I'm gonna change and they have inspiration and then they go to a 12-step program and they meet other people that also have Inspiration and they feed off of each other. I think it's important to face adversity at It helps if you face it at a very young age because it's it molds you yeah, especially if you able to overcome it because if you never face adversity Before and when you face it for the first time and you're not prepared for it. It can break you Yeah, it can make you fold, right? You see that very often in in the career of them in mixed martial art guided That some of the guys they've been protected for too long and then when they face a real challenge they fall Yeah, same thing in anything and I think guys perhaps like David Goggins or you know when I heard their back stories Because they face adversity they had to face an incredible amount of adversity and they were able to overcome Each of it and they become stronger because what doesn't kill you make you stronger, right or if fucks you up Before but I think it's it's it's a little bit life I think it could be like a fight if you gradually face adversity Yes, it's like someone who's you know someone who's very let's say someone who's very healthy Always pay everything for his kids. You know his kids is not used to learn the the Importance of hard work. You know what I mean? I think it's very important like To teach that to to kids, you know, like the importance of hard work the importance of adversity The importance of you know, not to break them right when they're young and make them lost lose their confidence because I believe Confidence is everything right if you don't have can have all the skills in the in the world But if you don't have confidence, it's like someone who has a lot of money in his bank account But no way of accessing it right so by facing adversity and Overcome it you building your confidence. That's why sports are so important Yeah, man and life and same thing in business You you're gonna reach time that you're gonna go down and sometimes you might you might go to the Down deep but if you face adversity before you're used to overcome those those obstacles you'll bounce back from it Yeah, that's why I like I like I Know a lot of people sometimes they they face adversity and they fold they can stand up from it And some people I let's help them But if you help them you always give them help they will rely on that they need to learn from themselves and sometimes I think there is nothing better than reach the down deep to find out like How strong you are to come back from from that, you know, yeah Well, that's a lot of things that people say when they're talking about Experiencing drug addiction or alcoholism. They have to hit rock bottom. They hit rock bottom And then they realize they don't want to be there anymore and then they build themselves back up They experience that adversity and they overcome it. That's right break them