 Affiliated with the chance of the Kipsey, New York That's about it And I was like first your class for all four days You know what guys because I I put it to five Let me do this. I Think it didn't start there. We go There we go folks. I had a little bit of a technical issue there because I kind of like advanced it a little bit to 540 And then it didn't really start so can everybody see us now can everybody hear us Yes, everybody and I just I just got a notification on my phone that we're on the air Okay, because before let's recap this and start this all over again Ralph self-proclaimed Vinnie Vincent expert in the field a specialist. We will call you Ralph, how you doing? Good man. Good. I wouldn't say I'm a Expert when it comes to Vinnie Vincent, but I am an expert on what a scumbag he is, but you know I Didn't really come it's all day long about you calling him a scumbag Almost humid podcast or youtuber Ralph Vieira also with us Joey Campo a Drummer a musician a guy who has been heavily involved in the music industry Maybe you want to give a little bit of a resume a quick little introduction on yourself. Hi. How you doing? I'm Joey Campo. I play drums and manage a band called obsidian I work with a lot of big-name bands and I'm friends with 95 percent of them and Going to creature fest was like a highlight for me because I've had a rough patch for a while And I just decided I was gonna go and boy, what a surprise when I got there Perfect perfect. I just want to ask everybody out there since we're three on audio How's the balance? Am I coming in louder than Ralph is Ralph coming in louder than me or is Joey? Coming in louder than all of us or sometimes I have my mic on I can't tell I'm too loud. Your level is exactly like Joey's Okay, that's fine. I guess we're doing okay. We're so far. So good guys. Alright, so a last weekend Friday Saturday and Sunday in Tennessee. There was a creatures Fest which featured, you know, many bands like quiet riot I can't name all the bands a trickster. I think And of course the highlight of the evening was, you know, the the former kiss alumni, which would be Bruce Kulick Benny Vincent Acerie Lee and Peter Chris. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe you want to just kind of give us Joey, you know, what were you doing there? So you weren't just a fan attending? I All kidding aside, I just decided I was gonna go a lot of my friends were down there to guys the guys in ace Freely's band the guys from trickster I knew a lot of people out there. So I figured let me let me just go down I need some time away. So me and my girlfriend hopped on a plane decided to go down and It was it was a memorable four days. A lot of people say This was the longest four days of my life and meaning in a bad way It was the longest four days of my life in the greatest way ever because I saw Kisterin get made Yeah, I mean what a thought Ralph Yeah It was great to see all of them performing Together I've only seen clips. I wasn't there and I always say, you know, when you watch videos on YouTube and stuff You don't get the full effect unless you're there, you know, so it was amazing I tell you between Neil and Brian to pull this thing off the way they pulled it off and have everybody there It was amazing. It was it was phenomenal I could not believe that them guys all played together so many times except for 180 it But we won't get into Finney's name right now So just to give a little more background like usually you have fans Who attend and it's mixed reaction that we've been getting so some of them are saying there's the worst thing There's the best thing, but it's a little different because you're kind of part of the production crew building the tank It's funny because I wasn't even supposed to do that a friend of mine that was there was a drummer And I'm not gonna mention no names and he was asked to do it and he couldn't do it He goes Joey do me a favor. Can you can you give them a hand putting the tanks together? I said sure no problem. So I went I went there I I met showing the guy that built that that created the new tank. What an amazing guy What an amazing job he did so we wound up putting it together and it was phenomenal And you know, I got tons of pictures of that and I believe I sent them to Jimmy I sent them to suck. Yeah, did I send him to you? Yeah, and of the tank being built and stuff like that before anybody got in there And it was just it was amazing. I I really just went down there to hang out and yeah I got to do a couple of things with a couple of people and you know, it was great Friend anything but you had access to sort of the backstage the front like you could see the whole sort of Yeah, yeah, I saw I was backstage a lot I was wasn't supposed to be backstage, but I wound up back there anyways and It was it was it was amazing and watching the whole thing run and the way everybody worked out it It was it was phenomenal. It was put together very very well Okay, you have any questions for him Ralph. Well, um, yeah Well, I have a channel almost humorous in a half hour. I had somebody that was there that did the She gave me the the in-and-out is what's going on, but she wasn't backstage like you were Joey, so What was the situation? Because what I understand Vinnie started playing before anybody came in what it was was once we got the tank set up Vinnie wanted everybody out of The the hole that we were in he wanted nobody in there outside of his main people which met him in three people He wanted to come in he wanted to check the stage out, you know get a feel for it and then He wouldn't let anybody into the hall until he was up there and already playing and that's when you were there But were you there were you there? I would stand there. I was standing right there from the first note So they didn't they didn't kick you out. They didn't kick you out. That's what I'm saying like you know No, no, no, I was there. I was there for the whole the whole thing. Okay, that's the thing and it was it was You know 30 minutes of a guitar solo. I'll never get that 28 minutes back Because you couldn't only handle like two minutes of it. Yeah, there's only so many scales you can do brother God So, okay, let's just get a little more feel for this So Vinnie Vincent goes on top of the tank, which is sort of like a replica of I love it loud video That's kind of a whole time premise, right? Yep from Creatures of the Night. Mmm Now you're there still and he's is he screaming at people is he telling people get the hell out of yours? Is it just a calm manner? Everybody please? This is the security said Vinnie doesn't want anybody and we got to leave so did you leave did you leave? Yes, I walked out. I walked out and then we were able to access in just as Vinnie was getting up there to hit his first note How long were people waiting outside before they let everybody in I would say I I It's hard for me to tell because I wasn't standing outside to see how many people were lined up on a line to get in I know soon as Vinnie hit his first note They started allowing people to come in because Vinnie wanted to already be playing as his fans came in Okay, now what I understand is that you know, this was day two. I believe so on day one When a play and everybody was playing there were people inside Filming it with their cell phones. Oh, yeah But everybody everybody was able to film but you know the BS with no no no video and no photos You know, I can understand why after seeing it because I wouldn't want it posted either But but Joey, but Joey do you understand how they should have told people this ahead of time? It's that right when it you're right when you get to the door, you know, exactly Second hold on was it at the door that they said no filming allowed or was it? Okay, they must have said it at the door again I wasn't outside. I was I was backstage They must have said it at the door that you can't videotape. You can't no cameras. No photos. No nothing I mean people did it anyways and you know security was right on top of everybody. No offensive But side them guys they worked their asses off to make sure nobody was doing the videos and the whole nine yards and What Jimmy showed of that girl does the super cop whatever you want to call her which I had my own dealings with her But you know slapping that phone out of somebody's hand, you know, that was wrong. How do you do that? So I mean like the phone like was slapped and it fell It was it was slapped out of the guy's hand onto the floor and if it was me Oh, I would have picked up the phone. I'm gonna take the other side of this Okay, so I'm having my own event and me and Ralph are doing a show together. He's playing guitar I'm singing and we tell the security people at the front of this, you know before they enter Please no phones, right to respect whatever case it is. Do the fans not have to respect that? But the problem is there was more than this is what I was told by somebody that was on the outside Yeah, and then there were different entrances and some one entrance that people were coming in They weren't told that they couldn't film So if you look at the footage of people piling in while he's playing people are walking in with their cell phones up Yeah, not knowing they're not knowing they're allowed to film and that's what yeah, you see people the ramp I'm just playing the other side here. I'm playing the other side It was 100% right, but you got to remember there was two entrances There was the VIP entrance and then there was the general admission entrance now the general amiss miss That word entrance nobody was there at that They only kept the pick somebody at the VIP entrance and I believe with the line of people in there when they when they were lined up to Before they can come in. I believe somebody mentioned to them that you're not you can bring your phones in They just didn't want video or photos taken. I Could understand that because look if you're on public ground Outside then the paparazzi exists and you could take whatever pictures you want right as it's public Here's a private event and there's this rule and Yeah, I don't like it. I mean Vinnie was the only one that had that rule. You know, you got guys Yeah, go ahead. No, you got guys that were in a band I mean Vinnie was only in the band from 82 to mid 84. Who who the fuck is he? He just he was just over it went through but the rules are the rules, right? Regardless but that was his rules. Okay. All right, gotcha And it was it was his rule at the last minute Yeah, if they would have said that night before or hours before the event That's one thing but to tell the people as he's on stage that you can't do it That yeah, and that's it infamous Vinnie Vinnie always does changes rules at the last minute Look Joey, I wonder if you know any information about this because it was originally planned as Vinnie with a band Doing the rock and Rio set list that he did with kissing in the creature the night tour He was supposed to play the whole set then it ended up just him going up there doing karaoke with a with a backing track Do you did you hear anything of why it changed? I I have no clue. I I have no knowledge of that I didn't know Vinnie was I figured Vinnie was gonna have a band and play, you know and What he did Eight I'm telling you if what I told you yesterday when I was speaking to you prior to this that if it wasn't for you Bruce Kulick being there that thing would have that thing. It would have been our Complete train wreck Bruce pulled everybody together ace. I think myself personally ace was freaking embarrassed Because they said to play along to a click track and it's difficult when you play these songs for so freakin long And then you're nailed down to one thing Nothing ever goes like that. So, you know, I felt better for ace I felt bad for Bruce and then there was there was a guy Shane that that was playing bass for them who was singing because nobody did vocal tracks But basically this guy Shane who was in a Kiss tribute band and one of the guys that helped assemble the tank there And he was phenomenal. I mean his voice and everything was phenomenal So whoever said that there was that the vocals were a backing track They weren't the only thing that was a backing track was the drum tracks, which was asinine We had two drums set set up right in the back of the stage. All they had to do is turn it on There was eight million drummers there Somebody could have played the couple of songs that they were doing because they only played four songs and But let's get this okay, let's get to these songs here, okay now Okay, like we mentioned there was like 15 minutes plus of soloing and we all seen the video and we Ralph You want to bring yourself a little down there? I think your head's getting cut off on top Yes, yes there a little a little lower a little lower. That's what she said Okay, perfect perfect perfect perfect, okay So there's shredding that's going on and I looked at it in the first few minutes. You're saying wow, that's cool And then after it's like, okay What is this and what was the fans when it started dragging? What were the what was the reaction in the crowd that people say wow, it's the best thing ever or like Yeah, there was people, you know, you die hard kiss fans, you know, they're gonna turn around and say If Vinny would have took a shit on stage, they would have thought it was cool. It's just that, you know Speaking of shit Johnny Gabb just won go ahead. Yeah, right. Um, no you could only take so much of it Of the there's only so many scales you can do and was there any booing was there any like booing stop this I really you know what his guitar was so loud. I don't think I heard it I mean people applauded they were applauded when he paused and put his hand up in the air. Okay. All right fair enough You know To regular musicians, they'll tell you right off the bat It was way too much and then all the stuff I heard later on when we were in the bar area and stuff From that it was ridiculous Vinny came into this thing thinking that he was the creator of kiss And he wanted the world to revolve around him And he should have been like ace bruce and peter and been happy to be there Enjoy the fans play more with everybody else like they did. I mean peter played with everybody ace played with everybody They didn't just sit in their room like Vinny did if Vinny didn't have a meet and greet or this show to do He would have been stuck in his room. Nobody would have known he was there I'm surprised he even showed up because Vinny's known for Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then not showing up Ralph laying on the the solo you've seen the video footage weighing on this Yeah, I thought it was ridiculous. But here's the thing a lot of people love that stuff I I love I loved him and kiss but when he went that Invasion the noodle. I don't even call it shredding. I call it scribbling because that's what it sounds like like scribbling And uh, I but there's people that do like that Yeah, but there's only so much of it you can take I agree with joey on that. I agree with joey like 10 minutes. Okay I'm good. It's like a drum solo, right? If it's too long, right? It's too long. It's too long Joey, uh at any time when you were near Vinny when you left did you notice your wallet missing? No, I didn't notice my wallet was missing but it was kind of funny. We were standing backstage when Vinny was done And uh, me and this one guy Troy that was there. Troy had the uh, lick it up album and We actually me and Troy walked over by Vinny the guy he was talking to left and and Troy turns around and asked some Vinny can you sign this for me? Vinny looks down at the album Looks up at him and I just turned around and said yo, you gotta sign it We just busted our ass putting this thing together for you. He looks up at me and goes well I guess since you Help put the tank together. I'll sign it. Like Jesus christ for real Really come on Yeah, he was charging hundreds of dollars. Oh, it was it was insane the amount of money. I'm sure he charged I I didn't look at it. I had nothing to do with the meet and greet sister And the other thing even though I was in you know, I got into the ace freely meet and greet And then my time with pete chris. I'll cherish forever That was let's let's go back. We're gonna get into peter ace and bruce in a second Okay, but let's get back to the set list these the now you have his shredding stops I love it loud comes on the fans must go crazy, right? But they're backing tracks, but they still the fans of the fans. I love it loud You have gene simon singing the back vocals apparently you have drums Basically, it's just guitarists and a bassist, right and they're they're having trouble coordinating together, right? Yeah, it was very difficult to get the timing down to the drum tracks if nobody's nobody's doing a count off on that Was love and loud with all three of them or that was just that was all that was with all of them They they all they came right after benny was done. They brought bruce and ace out and uh show on on bass and they just started playing together and okay decide that that was that was like I don't even think they even rehearsed any part of that because it was It was hard to look at I I felt bad for the three other guys because of what they got thrown into I mean if they released that if they released that as a live album without the visual like we're looking at the visual I'm like wow these guys are together if that was released as a live album with no fixes That would be the only good thing you say about it That wow those three are together outside of that it was it wasn't it wasn't the way it should have been bruce broke his ass trying to keep things in check and keep things going smooth and Really hats off to him because vini made a mess out of everything So it was really really hard for ace to be able to get in on it and ace ace broke his ass trying to figure things out too Because vini just threw this at him. This is what we're doing because ace had no I I don't think I'm gonna rephrase that I don't think ace knew he was playing to drum tracks So surprised so yeah, I love I love it loud War machine deuce and cold gin those were the tracks was there any one of those that said wow, okay now They're getting it together deuce came out great deuce came out great at the end because they they tried doing it Prior to that and it got all messed up and then it went into cold gin and deuce at the end They they finally got the system down and they did a great job with it Okay, how many people were there in the crowd by the way? I have no idea 300 500 maybe 500 I just did a quick number quick number. I would say 500 if not a little better There was a lot of people there because everybody everybody was because there was no meet and greets going on there So vini vini that was time perfect for vini. So everybody was pretty much there Well, every show that was there you didn't need like a ticket for that event or this event You just got access to all those you got access to all the shows it depended on what what uh Ticket you bought because you had the vip you had the meet and greet you had the war machine one you had this one You had there was a list of them and the prices were really getting pricey And I was just like I'm just going general admission and that's that and and I'll work my way through. I know enough people there and you know, that's the way that went It was it was very expensive But were there were there any hostile fans from the box sets that were never delivered? No, I don't I don't imagine. Hey, man, you owe me a box that has been here as I'm coming here, you know to the show I want to free me No, no, no, I didn't hear any of that. Okay. All right. Good to know we want to get the mood We want to get the mood here. We're starting to everybody. I'm telling you right now Everybody had a great time. That's important It was it was amazing. What again what them two guys pulled off Was a miracle number one getting Vinny there number two the the weekend the way they planned it out The way everything went off without a hitch. There were some delays on on on On different times starting due to different things But everything else it went it went really smooth. Them guys broke their ass. I hats off to them They did it. They pulled it off. They did an amazing job The only downfall was Vinny's fucking ego and that's the only problem I had with the whole weekend So so Joey, uh, you were in charge of uh, like you were one of the people that put together the tank, correct? Yeah, I was asked to put together the tank. I wasn't in charge of nothing I was I was asked and I just followed the directions. That's what I did you did you take the tank to the Into the venue too. Were you part of that? No, no, no, no, no, I had I knew I knew nothing about the assembly of the tank I knew the tank was coming there and Again, if it wasn't for my friend Joey asked me Joe, can you do me a favor? I can't do it right now I got to play with somebody else. I was just like, all right, no problem So I waited for Vixen to get done with the soundcheck. I gave Roxy a little hand She had some uh, I had technical problems and I took care of that right after they did soundcheck we pulled all the drums aside and then uh Sean from uh What the hell's the name of this company sore blade? Slow blade head designs a guy that built it, you know told us Showed us how to put it together and we we put the whole thing together I hooked up the dry ice machine and it was great. We had smoke coming out of the uh Out of the canisters on the sides. It was it was awesome. Do you know where where that is now? Uh, that's probably going that's probably going back to Sean's house back to Iran Did did you hear any rumblings of another creatures fest next year? Uh people People have asked about it, but you know I don't know if they're going to do it another one and if they do maybe they're going to do it in another place I don't know. I doubt I I do not know Yeah, it would be nice to see them do it again. I mean because i'm sure I mean peter loved the idea of it. I'm sure bruce did I know a state, you know, it was It was fun for them. They they all got to play with everybody. I mean they played with everybody and anybody Ace came out when what with the when they were May 27th here we go. So may 27th, which is I'm not sure if it's a friday or saturday I don't have my calendar ace comes out. He does a set, right? Yeah, and to everyone's surprise here comes peter chris on hard luck woman Strange ways, right? He did a full set with his band. How how was that set? I mean it was amazing. Yeah, it was amazing ace's band is phenomenal great bunch of guys ace Did well and peter coming out was just like jaw dropping Everybody loved it. Everybody loved the idea of peter and ace playing together There was there was no nobody say even though even though You know when peter played with bruce's band. He played Uh One of the songs off the solo album and it was a little different from what they were doing But everybody just loved the idea that all of these guys were together playing together And there was no no egos amongst any of them. It was it was it was fantastic So they had a blast So joey the person I spoke to pretty much is mirroring and I just want to get Verification from you because you sound like you mirror exactly what she said that the whole festival ran great The only the only thing was the viny thing but everything else was awesome. Oh, yeah, without a doubt There's anything I felt embarrassed for bruce and ace doing that and it It should have went off totally different. He should have had another band but his ego Vinnie wanted it all about him and that was it. He didn't give a shit of jeans And the Paul Stanley was there. He would have still did the same thing That's why he stood on top of the tank the whole time to be the center Exactly that that whole tank thing was just built around him And you know the guy was only in a band for two and a half years or whatever and he thinks he he created the band All right, you wrote some good music played some good tunes He had a problem even in kiss where he was extending his solos too long and Paul had to Push him back step back pal. You know what I mean? That's why he was only in it for a limited period of time So on may 29th, which is I'm assuming it's sunday bruce coolik comes on he does his set which is more of the Revenge Yeah, that was the whole revenge album. It was it was phenomenal And peter comes on hooked on rock and roll. That's where you mentioned that peter comes on, right? Yep And that's pretty much it But what was his set like tell us about bruce coolik set. Oh, it was fantastic His band was great. They nailed every song to the tee. It was it was perfect. It was like kiss was there actually playing That's how good they did it He's got a great band behind him and then peter coming out to do that. They rolled out another drum kit. Yeah It was it was fantastic Was anybody expecting peter to come out on under bruce's sort of I I don't know But you know, they kind of assumed that because they were all playing with each other Whatever band was on like ace's band was on he had peter come out and bruce came out You know and and when they did they when they did the pool party, you know bruce came out and did a song and that he actually did two songs his wife sang one of the songs and she did an amazing Amazing job. It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal every every whenever they played together Whatever band they were playing with was flawless There was no if ands or buts even though peter had just got done with knee surgery and he's playing the kick I I was truly impressed. I was truly impressed and it went off really really well Right on. Yeah, it sounded like it was a great event and uh People got their money's worth as far as like if you didn't pay your vip to get like You know at the last minute there's something else I heard when People were lying to get a vini a vini-vention autograph a guy had a history book And at the last minute they're like, oh if you wanted to sign the history book. It's a thousand dollars Yeah, ain't that a bitch? Yeah, that's that's where his ego that's where his ego comes in and you know, it sucks that he couldn't be As humble as everybody else was there They made it about the weekend and not themselves, but vini made it all about himself And that's where he went along vini's got a lot to learn from the other guys in the band And he should take some notes for the next time if he ever does it again Were you around the meet and greets? The the vini and aces and peters because you said you met peter after you had a nice conversation with peter Yeah, I met gg outside the the resort a couple of times and uh, she wound up remembering me and I and uh She walked out of the meet room and I was just happened to be by the door And she she walks out walks somebody out and then walks up to me. She goes come on with me. Nobody's in there I told you I'd do your favor. So she walked me right in I had like 30 minutes with peter and gg and two other people that were in there and that was Time that I will never ever Will never erase from my mind. I had 30 minutes with the the one and only cat man Humble down earth him his wife gg. They are two amazing people and I heard stories about gg and every one of them are alive Because that woman couldn't be any more nicer to anybody in the world. You get a chance to meet her You get a chance to talk to peter to humble down earth people very thankful for what the fans made them out to be um Ace I got into me at ace that you know, he was wiped out. It was one quick come in sit down take a photo And go and I can understand that. I mean he's been going and going and going. He just signed eight million autographs and They did me a favor and they got me in to to do that john set up actually Eddie ogetta called His his manager john and john took it from there Because when I first got there I I met with eddie because i'm really good friends with eddie ogetta from twist the sister And we met him and me and my girlfriend terry met him and his wife For dinner because I haven't seen eddie in in three years Because he moved down to tennessee from new york And you know eddie took care of my meet and greet with ace. So thank you eddie and uh Ace ace ace was really. I mean seriously He he was he was great. He was great. You know again humble Really working with everybody it was dude. I wish you guys would out It's something that you would cherish forever because it's something that may never ever happen again And it's something that gene implore couldn't do So so joey Jimmy told me earlier you you worked with twist the sister I I it was more of a friendship thing when they did shows I was there I mean I I wrote it for aj when When his his roadies weren't there it was I was really good friends with aj and god rest his soul and really good friends with eddie ogetta So whenever there was a show I would go and you know hang out help out So it's not that I worked with them. I am I was affiliated with them. I'm gonna say it more like that I never got a paycheck from them. I've traveled with them and stuff like that, but you know They I've been around twist the sister for many years and you know, it's it's the friendship the crew and the whole nine yards That's great because I'm a huge fan and yes sorely miss aj one of the greatest summers ever And I had the pleasure of meeting him once and couldn't have been nicer And uh, yeah, that's cool that that eddie hooked you up with the with meet and ace and stuff Yeah, well ace and eddie are good friends. So eddie tried calling ace and he couldn't get through to him But he called john the the manager and john took care of it. John came up and he goes Joe you you're with me. We're gonna do this that the other thing and yada yada yada So it's all taken care of Is his ace's uh merch girl amanda Amazing woman. She was a big help too. So Is there and just so everybody knows that uh, Ralph He's gonna upload another interview by some other fan that was there either what you're gonna upload it tonight or It's up. It's uh, I scheduled it for 6 p.m. So it's up right now. So it's up right now And it pretty much mirrors what joey was saying, you know, she had a little more interaction as far You know, she took part of the meet and greet but as far as the event in full She really does mirror exactly what joey was saying. It was a great great time Except for the viny part. Yeah So when everybody's done here head over to almost human and you can actually See part two of another perspective another perspective, uh, you know of someone else He's got a little more inside story of the meet and greets and stuff like that. Yeah, I I didn't do any of the meet and greets I wasn't standing on line. I'm not one for lines. I I'm not one for line. So It's it's me neither. I go to the pharmacy. I can't wait like five minutes. No, yeah, exactly I got no patience. Most office. I just can't take it. No I hear you. Yeah. So is there anything else that stood out from the show that you want to, uh, you know, share with everyone I really hope they do another one. I don't know how they would do it But you know, again meeting having that time with peter chris was The ultimate time there all getting inside My lifelong dream I I was I met peter a couple of times before but there was never conversation I basically and this wasn't about kiss. It was just shooting the shit and it was it was phenomenal. It was great and I think you went on mute. You went on mute joey. You must have hit your phone or something There you go. So, um, I was gonna say and I just forgot after I just I can say I can vouch I can vouch for joey as far as peter and gg because I had the pleasure of meeting them as well and while I was waiting to meet um Peter chris gg came up to me just started a conversation. She didn't know who I was And she was just happy I was there and talking to me while I waited to meet for me peter and then when I met peter was Exactly how joey was saying he's so humble and so nice and so grateful You know for anybody that that you know is a fan of his What's cool about gg is she doesn't ride on peter's cocktail. She doesn't she doesn't try to Make it about her. She wants it all to be about peter and that's it because she You know, I thought that was so cool of her because I even asked her for a photo I said let's take a photo against because I don't really do that. You know what? That's peter's thing and I I don't want to I don't want to step on his and I thought that was just so cool Where she she makes it all about him and that's it. She doesn't want the hype and this that she was so cool She's sitting outside. Would everybody just chit chat with him? I mean seriously That that was really cool. That really showed what type of woman she was And she was so thankful that the people there to see your husband You know what I would say I would summarize from everything you both are telling me that the event was worth it Whatever the people paid. It's kind of like vinny vincen has become this um This question mark and people don't know what he's going to do So they're willing to pay to see what the heck's he gonna do And even if he stumbles or he doesn't stumble or he does great or he does some freaky thing people want to experience that I don't know if I call it a freak show, but would you call it a freak show? Yeah, I mean The night it happened while it was happening. I was getting text messages and plus little video clips So I automatically, you know, I'll strike while iron's off. I put it right on my youtube page that night It's 32,000 views now People People Vinny's been hiding for so long. So everybody wants to see what he's going to do So to hide for him being there and they want to see what he's going to do Nobody knew what he was going to do but him as everybody can see And you know, he was just Vinny was all full of himself and like I said, but maybe that's what the allure is Maybe that's what the allure is people want to see him full of himself People want to see him solo for like an hour and not play, you know, the notes properly Go see that somewhere else because you know I'm not talking about you and me. I'm talking about the general population, right? Hey, if that's what they want to see then knock yourself out They got they got what they wanted to see whoever really wanted to see a 30 minute guitar solo and it just got annoying Yeah, Joey, there were people that left comments That were there and it was pretty much 50 50 50 people loved it And 50 people thought it sucked, you know, and these are Vinny Vincent fans And they did not see what they were expecting and what they were promised They were promised he was going to play a full cassette with a full band and they walk into this now Then there's the 50 that you know, Vinny like he said earlier, he could take a crap on stage and people would love it Oh, yeah So he's got that niche audience that would accept anything he does You know, and I think I think it's to Joey's point. He's been secluded for so long that whenever he makes an appearance It's sort of like, you know, it's like the sighting of a Sasquatch or a big guy It's like And then you can't use your camera so it gets even worse, right? Yeah We're gonna do a job that's going up You know, he's pulled out many times where he worried where he he scheduled shit and didn't show up You know, yeah, Jimmy knows about this because he had Carmine Uh, a piece on the show talking about because they they scheduled the show with uh With Vinny and then he just cancels it all together And Carmine wasn't happy about that. Yeah, I think they wanted to it's to actually Joey's point again They wanted to practice. They wanted to try the set out. They wanted, you know, to do To prepare right because that's what it is about preparing and there was no preparations according to what they said And it fell apart but at least Vinny showed up. I gotta give him that much Listen, I give I give him that one too because a lot of people were wondering even before we got there Is Vinny really gonna show it's Vinny really gonna show and then when I saw the video of Neil with Vinny picking Vinny up from the airport or just getting to the hotel I forget where they were exactly at. I was like, holy shit. He made it That was one step in the right direction and then that all went to shit after the show Did you actually talk to him shake his hand or anything like that? The only time I talked to him is when I told him who you know that we helped build the tank We helped assemble the tank because I had nothing to do with the building at a time We reassembled the tank when they delivered it and And getting that album signed for Troy who was one of the other people that helped us assemble the tank You know, I thought it was it was a big was a big lineup for the meet and greet for Vinny I don't know. I was I was inside with the tank that whole day I believe the meet and greet was the same day that he was going to come out And I was I was in by the tank all day from the morning till After the show. So that's pretty much how that was. I wasn't not in the hallways or anything We were really busy between moving drum sets and putting that thing back together So, all right, so that's pretty much it unless you have anything else to add Ralph Yeah, Vinny Grintz is a scumbag Why would you say that? Why would you say that? He he he sold box sets 20 somewhat years ago kept the money never sent it out and then when he came out Yeah, yeah, he came out of hiding like three years ago or so in Atlanta And they asked him about the box set and this is three years ago He said this year Everybody that bought the box at 20 years ago are gonna get two box sets and he still hasn't done that either You know, do you still have the names of the people that bought it now? Are they still alive? You know, I mean Yeah, yeah, really like like like Vinny really kept freaking paperwork. Come on. No, he didn't No, no, that's that's gone. You gotta be I gotta bring up another you gotta fuck by Vinny That's basically it And another thing he promised to do this event in Nashville And at the last minute he demanded all these demands that He couldn't deliver and my friends are the one running the The thing and they respectfully told him look Vinny, we can't Match your demand. So, you know, thank you, but no, thank you. So then Vinny took it upon himself to go on Facebook Attacking these people that are actually fans of the Vinny vixen invasion stuff attacking them Making it look like they're the bad guys where actually it was Vinny Everything at the last bad guy. Yeah, he's he's he's a horrible horrible human being and I'm here to say it You know one thing about the show there ain't no We're ain't politically correct here, right? I mean as long as we get back what we want back up what we're gonna say. That's what honestly Is it really bashing somebody when you're stating facts? Yeah I don't want to I don't want to bash him either, but he fucked up and that's all there is to it But you know, you're Joey you're not you're not bashing. You're just telling it as it is I'm telling you from what I what I saw if people consider that bashing then you're considering facts Uh, a horrible thing. It's the fact. Yeah, exactly, you know, okay, so I mean if you're a fan Why so what you're saying is I should cancel my order my box set order for Vinny Vincent before it's too late It's how you're telling me Ralph. Oh, yeah Okay, why'd you do it in the first place jimmy? Well, I I will say and I said this before I'm happy that he did show up I hope he moves in a positive way. I hope he gives the fans what they want. I hope to joey's point That he is a little more appreciative and more humble like the rest of them Yeah, because at the end of the day, it's the fans who drive everything, right? Exactly. It's the fans that put them guys where they are right now and and Vinny don't realize that He thinks he can walk around without him He's gonna he's gonna be the one to pay the price Ralph if any Vinny came right up to you and what would be the first words you'd say to him? Um, where's the box set money? What'd you do with the box set money Vinny? Aren't you ashamed of yourself for ripping off your fans? I could say more things if you want Vinny Just a few words. That's all yeah, that's all I want to say to him, you know And you know, I mean I made several videos on the guy and I have praised him on his talent But one thing I don't get about Vinny Vincent. He's got an amazing voice. He writes amazing songs But then he he puts a guy singing that sounds like a cat being tortured with this scribbling guitar solo over it Ruins these songs Like when he was in kiss he had gene and paul put a muzzle on his guitar soloing and I really do enjoy when Vinny is Not self-indulgent with his crazy plan. You know, I think he's a very talented musical guy, but I think he's talented too myself It's his fucking attitude that he's short. He thinks who the fuck he is. He thinks his shit don't stink and he thinks Um, everybody's gonna bow down to him. He needs to take some lessons from the other guy in a band And fucking be humble. It's it's not that difficult. He can go a lot further It's it's not difficult to be an expert. It's not that hard. Not exactly You know, you you can rip off your fans, but if you do it legitimately you can even make more money off your fans You know by by just giving people what they want And you can get even more fans if you just write songs and stop self-indulging your you know your your B B scribbling guitar playing. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I call a bumble. The bumblebee should Gene Simmons said it perfectly. You know, it gets annoying after a while and he even said and that was towards Vinny Yeah, I remember one interview where he did that. It was just on and on It's fucking ridiculous enough Nice Yeah, oh forget about that. We could that's another video All in itself if we doing we we could do like three hours on inb. Oh, yeah Guys, it's been a pleasure. Thank you everybody for watching check out almost human the interview. That's probably uploaded right now Yeah, it's after this one. Yeah, and I want to say hey joey was also meeting you Yeah, it was dynamite meeting you too. Thank you very much for the opportunity to come and speak about such a terrific weekend um pleasure meeting you guys and uh Hopefully we cross paths again Hopefully that'd be nice. All right