 What's up guys and welcome to Rotorite! My name is Cricket and this is your boy Vortex! We're going to tell you why pinching is better than thumbing. No, thumbing is definitely better than pinching. Well, I'm going to explain this to you and you guys are going to definitely be on my side. So thumbing is like the traditional Xbox All-Ball Bear. And the reason why I say that pinching is better is because first of all, your thumb is the dumbest thing on your hand. What do you do your thumb for? Nothing. What do you use your thumb for? Other than that. Playing video games ever since you were a little kid so that like trains you all the way up to the point where you pick this up and you go, I'm going to forget. But you have no precision with your thumbs. You play Call of Duty, you pinching? I would. Your thumb? Get some new audience. It's dumb. The thumb is dumb. The thumb is dumb. But when you add the pinch, now you have some precision with your movements. Not just slinging them all over the place, you actually have precision. But I actually hold it with a little like in the middle of my index finger. So I guess that would be considered a hybrid because I do use my thumb as my dominant finger to make any maneuvers. For me, personally, just the way my hands are, I feel like I can't move them. It definitely has a lot to do with the way your radio is set up as well. If you see- So with this stick being longer like that, that means there's going to be more available travel. Tip of that stick there to there is a longer radius than mine. It's a longer throw. Although I feel like my gimbals overall are more throw than yours. Well, so I actually shortened mine and my radio. That's interesting. So you see where this one stops at? Yeah. So you can change that. That's interesting. On the IS-12, if you pop this little cover off, you have an adjustment here. And I'm going to move that completely over. But at the top, it goes higher now. With the factory settings on this, I can't pinch it all because you lose a whole area of movement. I don't know. I just feel like it depends on your hands and how your body works. I don't think you can definitively say one is better for everything. I can now. I can now. Here's why I can because I thumbed for a while. And I even tried to pinch and then didn't pinch and then took a whole day and just this is what I'm going to do and it made me a better pilot. No, I already knew why people say it's better. I just don't agree that it's better for every single person. Okay, I can go with that. I think that we should you pinch and I thumb. I can just tell how unnatural it feels to me that I'm not going to like it. Well, why are you going way out there? Because to do a roll, you got to go all the way. Okay. See, so that also has a lot to do with it as well. Your rates and everything are set up different than mine where for me to do a whole roll, I only have to move like that. Well, I don't have to do full stick. I don't agree with that because when you use the full stick, that's a known distance. So that's how you get consistency. I never go full stick. Like I don't have to go full stick deflection to roll. So what's the most you ever move? Do it like that. Oh yeah, right here. Right there to there. That's as much you ever move it. You're just wasting all that resolution. Yeah. What am I wasting that for though? I mean, that means that anybody can do this. If that's the case, if everybody just bumps. Staying horrible. So you do like every time you fly, you full stick deflection. I think watch. I think they watch how I fly then. I think most people do. I don't need it all. Unless I do. I mean, you really don't. You feel like it. Boys and girls. I think we fly me. I think we need to see this. Talking about these pinching and these thumbs for just. Well, we already know. What have you guys learned today? The thumbs are dumb. Pinching is better. Don't ever touch the end of your stick travel. Why, who would do that? I'm going to do both of them. I'm going to pinch for about half this pack and then I'm going to switch over to the dumb thumbs. Try to fly in a way that shows off why you think pinch is better. Show me some smooth flying. No crashes. That was pretty precise. And remember that full stick deflection you were talking about? Yeah, you still are not doing that. Never. Never. See, my thumb stops it from hitting full stick deflection. I heard a pump there. No, you didn't. See some snapper rolls? Yeah, you're going home. Okay, there I did. Okay, I felt it that time. All right, all right. See if I can go to thumbs here. Oh, this is weird. Oh, so you're on thumbs. I'm on thumbs now. Looks like you can still fly. Yeah, but it's full stick deflection every time on those. I just don't feel like I have so much more control as what I usually do. Oh, snazzy. That's a tree there. It looks fine to me. Maybe I prefer thumbs. Maybe I've converted you. Isn't it more relaxed? Don't you like that? No, I don't know about more relax. Okay, all right. See, it makes me get more sporadic. I feel like I'm not as precise with my maneuvers. I don't know about that. It's looking good to me. Oh, no, where am I? Oh, it's a turn. I don't know. I'm conflicted here now. Because it doesn't feel bad, but it also... You used to fly with thumbs? Oh, my gosh. Yes, I did. See, that would have never happened if I didn't have, if I was flying. For me, it'll be... You're fashion all damn jail. I didn't have a neck strap. There's a difference. Let's go back to pinching here. Oh, jeez. Scared me. I don't know. I still prefer pinching. I feel so much more controllable, I feel like. Oh, that was nice. It was really nice. So, I do see where thumbing can... I like it somewhat, but I feel like if I need to have for precise flying, I still prefer pinching. I'm really curious to see you pinch. Yeah, pinching for me is actually going to be different. You've already done that before, but I've never... You've never pinched. I mean, maybe a little bit in the sim. I've never tried to actually fly my ball. It does give you more easier to be juicy, should say. Because you have like that, like... Woo! Thumbs where for me, the thumbs. I feel like thumbs... You can get more juicy. Okay. Juicier. Where we're pinching. Right. But pinching... You're dumb and juicy. What channel are you on there? I'm on a race band of one. Okay, I got you. So, what is this right now you're doing? Thumbing. See, I don't know if I could do... I guess I can. I was going to say fast maneuvers like that, but... Yeah. See that snaz right there? That's that... I feel like I'm not doing that. That's that thumb snaz. If I'm pinching, I'm not going to be able to do that. Woo! That's that juice I was telling you guys about. Let's see some pinching. All right. Let's see some pinching here. Getting all snazzy. This is pinching. It feels horrible. It feels horrible. I can't do it. That's crap. I don't know how to hold the radio, is it? You got it. No. You have to be able to do it. But just put more concentration on your thumbs and let your index fingers just kind of guide you. Not really put a lot of motion on those. No, I'm going to do that. There you go. All right. Horrible. Let me see what you're doing here. See, I feel like you're using your index finger too much. I can't help but to do that. Control it more with your thumbs. Well, then I'm just thumbing. So what is the point of pinching? It's a guide. It's just a guide. A guide? I don't need guidance. I know where I'm trying to go and what I want to do. You guys here next. I feel less precise about doing this. Oh, are you kidding me? I would have to do it a bunch of life. What are you flying right now? I don't feel like this is... Are you pinching? Doing anything for me. Are you pinching? Okay. All right, all right, all right. Look at that. I've noticed a big difference already. Killing it. I think I could do the thumbs too. Try to do it with thumbs. What you doing right now? Okay, here we go. Here's thumbs. See all those extra adjustments that you're making now? Oh, what? The thumbs are dumb, guys. I'm proving my point. Let's try it again. I just feel like I'm just going faster now. So maybe that could have a lot to do with it as well. I feel... See, I guess I would say you're right. I'm not going as like perfectly straight. It does. If I maybe I'm also not focusing as much. But yeah, they're not as precise. See? Yeah. You see this? Yeah. There is some truth in that. Look at that. I suppose. Yeah, beautiful. It is a little more precise. You just have to rip it. Like maybe I just have to switch grip. Like now I'm thumbs. Yeah, now I can rip. You know, do all that. Well, hold on. I got to slow down a pinch and switch back to pinching. Like I need to be really precise around this. But I suppose... So now if you implicated that all the time though and learn how to or what you needed to switch your hands to do. Still feels alien to me. I just want to thumb it up. Let's do some technical flying with the thumbs. Oh, that was hot. Yeah, but I guess if I was really, really just trying to like be super precise, I guess that does kind of help. Because it allows you to not be able to so easily move the stick. And that's what that's funny to me because you fly Bandos. You used to fly Bandos all the time and you always thumb. So in your honest opinion and not to say that your thumbs are dumb or anything. Do you think that if you were to implicate that a little bit? I just can't get over the insult. It would, I guess. I would have to say so because I was more precise. But I still don't like it. I'm still not going to do it. And that's exactly how I felt when I first switched from thumbs. And then when I went to switch to pinching, it was horrible for me. I felt the same way. Like this is not the way it's supposed to feel. Take a whole day, try it out. Every time you get back like, oh, I wanted this thumb. Now just pinch. Just try to pinch. Do you have a tree? Mr. Vortex here, the Bandos Slayer just proved my point. Am I right? I'm maybe. Well, you were on video saying that your thumbs were better. No, I didn't say better. I said I feel like I can get more juicy in like an open pinch. So it opened up something for you? Yeah, there was a moment. You're like, oh, maybe. Each of you. I don't know how you got me thinking, you said. Yeah, each of you were like, oh wait, maybe there is something to the other side. Which is good because it should be an open thing that's per pilot. Like how would you feel if you think the thumb's better? Thumb should be better for you. You know, as a real weirdo, Vannover. You right now, he's doing one hand his thumb and one hand his pinch. I call the ultra pinch. I don't think anyone does. It's like the hybrid pinch. Quick backstory. I used to thumb, then I tried pinching because I saw a bunch of professional helicopter pilots doing it. And then I'm like, OK, this feels weird. So I did what we call hybrid, which is basically where your fingers rest like this. And your thumbs are on top. And then I messed up my finger recently. So I can't bend it in all the way. So now I do hybrid pinch on the left and just thumb on the right. So I used a thumb and the reason that I went truthfully from thumbs to pinch or hybrid because I was trying to do professional helicopter flying as well as 3D airplane flying. And every single person I would aspire to be like was always a pincher. Every single one. I never saw one top pilot who thumbed. I got better resolution and dexterity on the controls. Versus when you just have your thumb on the controls, it's almost as if you can lose the grip. Now what I've found when I've had to now switch back to thumbs on one side and pinch on the other is that I feel like I can actually move the stick a little bit quicker. But I still kind of miss that extra dexterity and that extra like resolution. It's almost harder to fly smooth in my opinion. Me and Jeff had our big debate about stick thumbs. It was a good test because we all came down to I think that thumbing can actually be beneficial in some areas. And Jeff in turn also felt that pinching could help his flying in certain technical situations. So now we're going to pick Jamie and we're going to make her into a pincher. Well, I already do both. I already fly both. Little Seller Fox. I've been flying for almost two years now. I primarily thumb, but lately I have been doing a lot of pinching. I don't really pay attention to the way that everybody else does their grips. Like I've just started paying attention to that. Like who does what? Because it's like, it's really interesting to see how it translates into their flying style. I definitely can see how the racers almost primarily all do thumbs because it's faster. And then a lot of the freestyle pilots and a lot of females pinch, which I found was kind of interesting. I actually did a poll. Only like one other girl does thumbs, like all the females that answered the poll. So I think whatever's better for you to do is whatever you feel comfortable doing. But I don't know. He had somewhat of a good point because I was able to do precise flying a little better pinching, but it just, I hated it the whole time. We both agree that the best way in a perfect world, if you could pinch when you want to and thumb when you want to, would be switch if you could just switch it. That's like super difficult. I can switch while I'm flying. I can start in one and go to the other. Let's see what you get. This is pension? Yes. So what do you think about it? Just off quickly, what do you think? Well, since I've been flying both of them, I do really like pinching. I really like the control. I love how smooth it is. So you get up in these trees right here behind us, some technical, closer areas. All fast. Whoa, see that, Jeff? That's that precision flying, bro. Yeah, that's how I'm gonna pinch. And don't you feel like you can get in those holes a lot nicer? Yeah, because there's just more control. Now switch the thumbs. It's definitely not going hard. I just, I have way more experience with thumbs. Yeah, it's definitely... ...way more comfortable. Thumbs make you fly faster. Nice and good. Pinching, pinching, pinching. But my battery's about to be so we'll bring him in. I will say the hardest part about going back and forth is that pinching, taking off is a lot different than thumbing and taking off. Like, that was the hardest part. When I first tried it, it took me a minute to get the feel for where to go forward. It travels. Yeah, just because it wasn't there. But yeah. Looked like you did just fine both ways. I don't think you're really mad. I really, I really think it depends on the place. I still prefer thumbs solely because I fly it a lot. Sorry. I'm just more comfortable. Like when I'm in an uncomfortable situation or a new place, I'm gonna revert back to thumbs, but it's solely because I don't have the time with pinching to feel comfortable in a new place like that. And then after that, when I feel a little bit better and warmed up, I like to switch back and forth for the last couple of weeks so that I can get a feel for what's best for the spot. To switch back and forth from thumbs pinch, thumbs pinch all the time, probably not good. You should probably figure out which one you like and just always do that. But I completely agree with that too. I think anything that you're gonna fly, that you start to get comfortable with, if you're gonna try something different, try it, but pick one or the other. If you switch back and forth, you never have a consistent flight. You don't think that it adds adaptability and being able to do lots of different things though? Because you have the pros of both. It could possibly and for some people it might work, but for me personally, I like to keep everything the exact same way I've been doing it for forever and then it'll always be consistent when I grab hold of it. Do you think you'll settle on one eventually? Yeah, honestly, I'll probably end up settling back onto thumbs because it's what I'm most comfortable with. But I'm gonna give it some more time before I make that total decision. I like going back and forth. But let's just get a poll of all the pilots out there and who does. It'll be like over one of these areas. How many of you guys pinch? How many of you guys thumb it? We'll do a little poll and see how many it adds up to. I'm gonna say my personal opinion and what I think more people thumb than pinch. I think so. I would say that that's probably just... It comes from video games, man. Yeah, a lot of people do. I will give it that. It took me a while. I don't want to say like I just jumped in the pinching guys. Like I thumbed for a good bit of time and then it just, I just switched. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode today. Pinching, thumbing, we are friends so the disagreement doesn't leave anywhere, but here you guys are the only people I know about. I'm pretty upset. I'm pretty upset about it too. I'm not very happy. It's pinching. It's not upset. But please, if you like this video, hit that like button. If you want to see more of the glorious things that we do here at Rotoride, please, please hit that bell. And if you, if you fly thumbs, could you thumbs up the video? You can't pinch it. Joshua Bardwell, pinch your thumb.