 All right, we're going to get started. Thank you so much everyone for joining. We hope to be an incredible session. My name is Tiffany Thompson. I am Senior Director of Global Partnerships and Equity at Echoing Green. For those of you who do not know about Echoing Green, we are an early stage social innovation organization. And for over 30 years, we have been a leader in finding and supporting transformational leaders like Brandon and Charlotte here who are at early stage and we invest deeply in their growth of their ideas and their leadership as they tackle some of the world's biggest problems. Really what we do best is build community. We build community with folks who are committed to building a dynamic ecosystem. And we support our fellows in their work now and long into the future. And as we think about this work today situated not only in this country in the United States but globally, there is a new conversation about what it means to innovate for black futures. Something that is not foreign to the United States and something that's not foreign to the continent. We stand on the shoulders of giants like Elijah McCoy, Madame T.J. Walker, Garrett A. Morgan, Bell Hooks, Kimberly Crenshaw, just to name a few. And I am in front of what I believe to be three future ancestors who will be long, long remembered for their tireless work and communities that they call home. So it is my pleasure to be in conversation with these three brilliant leaders today and for you to hear from them about the work that they do, what brings them to this work. And as we long sit here on the heels and in the middle of a global pandemic in the middle of a country and a world beginning to reckon or continue to reckon with the ways in which race plays a part in all aspects of our lives. We'll dive into a conversation around what it means to be black leaders doing this work and not only in this United States context but outside of the United States where we know that anti-blackness is rooted in all things. And it continues to show up for leaders like the ones on the screen. But there's power within these communities. There is brilliance, there's abundance. And there's a lot of navigation that must be required for those that look like Kelly, Charlotte and Brandon as they do their work fighting for and with black folks navigating a very biased philanthropic space. So I really am excited for this conversation. I just want to begin with a few introductions from our folks really leaning into a question around this notion of black genius. Many folks on this call, we all know that black leaders like I just said, have always had the ideas and the innovations to reimagine and build the justice system and world for all, right? And many of us on the screen, this work is personal. The black folks, we come to this work from a deep personal perspective of our people, our community and that drives us to do this work every single day. So as you introduce yourself, tell us about who you are, the organization that you work for and was there a leader or a movement or a blueprint that inspired your organization's vision? So I'll start with you, Charlotte. Thank you, Tiffany. Hello everyone. My name is Charlotte Magai. I'm from Kenya, I'm an environmentalist. So I run a company called the Corupistos and we recycle waste metal and use that to manufacture clean cook stoves and then we partner with local women business owners to distribute our stoves to the last mile. And someone I am, I was inspired by and still am inspired by is Wangari Mathai. She was a human rights and environmental activist. She founded the Greenbelt Movement. And apart from this fact that she was the first woman, black woman in East Africa to receive a Nobel Peace Prize, what she did with her movement was enable women to plant trees and basically fight for their human rights, fights for their rights to get to work. And even after she died, our work continued to carry on. And part of that is seen in the kind of work that we do as in Koroa, we partner with women to kind of empower them to increase their household income and be empowered to make decisions for themselves. I'm happy to be here. Thank you so much, Charlotte. I'll pass it to Kelly. Thanks, Tiffany. Hello, Charlotte. Hey, Brandon. Hey, everybody who is joining us for this session. I'm so excited about the conversation. I'm Kelly Burton and I am the executive director of the Black Innovation Alliance. It's a national coalition of innovator support organizations that exists to support small and medium-sized business owners, tech founders, and creative technologists. Currently, there are 65 organizations that are under the umbrella of BIA and they support upwards of 300,000 entrepreneurs and innovators of color across the country. And this is such a great question. And there are so many heroes and sheroes, right, who have contributed to our story. But one that comes to mind specifically for our work with Black Innovation Alliance is Walter White. And Walter White was an early executive secretary of the NAACP in the early 1900s, all the way up to, I think, 1940s, 1950s. And when we think about the civil rights are struggled, Black folks struggle in this country, that's like a lost era. It's like, Civil War, civil rights, nothing happened between the two. And it's like, no, there's a lot that happened. There were so many battles that were fought in one. And a lot of it advanced by the NAACP and what I really appreciated about Walter White's leadership was it was also strategic and it was also tactical. They didn't leave a whole lot to chance. Like they came buttoned up and our work with BIA, that's really what we wanna bring, like the strategy, the tactics, the intentionality, the focus, the synergies. So that we're able to go further faster. Thank you so much for that, Kelly. And last but not least, we'll throw it to Brandon Anderson. Thank you. Wow, it's such a pleasure to be here with you all. I really appreciate it. My name is Brandon Anderson. I am talking to you from Aloni Land, otherwise known as Oakland, California. And a person who inspired me is not a well-known person, but he was the most important person to me in my life was my life partner. And who inspired me and catapulted me on this work. I often tell the story of what it meant to first fall in love with my life partner. And that was probably the most inspirational, the most inspirational moment of my life that continues to play back. I fell in love for the very first time when I was 15 years old to this tall, skinny, big-headed black boy I first met in third grade English class. I joke about this, but so true, like I didn't even mean to fall in love with this dude when I was 16, 17 years old. It was like falling asleep in class. It's like the thing you don't really mean to do, but you just end up waking up and you're like, I did it. And in 2007, my fiance and life partner was killed by police during a routine traffic stop. His love was radical, unapologetic, and it continues to change my life in so many ways. And so it catapulted me into the work I do now. I founded Rahim in memory of my partner. Rahim is the first and only independent service for reporting police in the United States since 2017. And we're known for two things. We've been known for running a website that makes it easy and safe for victims to report police violence and get access to resources for justice in Healy. And because the person, police officer who killed my partner, the police department made it such a difficult time in reporting cops. By design, the second thing we are known for is we have collected reports about how police behave now in more than 250 cities in the United States and have developed one of the largest police data sets, excuse me, data sets on the performance of police in the United States. And that has led us to also examine how we can deliver need and aid to communities in need. And so we are building an alternative dispatching system to 911 to end the existence of police by 2030 in the United States. Happy to get into that. Thank you so much to Brandon, Charlotte and Kelly for leading us off in a space of inspiration, humility and really vulnerability. A part of this conversation is rooted in like inspiration that brings us to this table, right? We come to this work with a moral obligation for all of us to work for and with our people. But alongside of that comes a lot of disparities as we as Black folks drive innovation ventures throughout a really biased philanthropic space. In 2020, Echo and Green released a report alongside the Bridge Grand Group that demonstrated this very same notion that revenues of the Black Lit organizations within our portfolio had 24% smaller revenues than their White Lit counterparts. And when we looked at unrestricted asset nets, it was the assets of Black Lit organizations were 76% smaller than White Lit organizations. We know that this type of funding, particularly unrestricted funding is often a proxy for trust. And this funding assumes that the donor does not trust the leader to use the funds in the way that they will achieve the greatest impact. And when funders put larger restrictions on funding that is often a proxy, like I said, for lack of trust. So when we think about the work that you guys are doing in your communities, it's much more than that, right? There's abundance and joy in our communities. There is brilliance and activism and community organizing happening. But oftentimes when we step into the room fighting for the people in which we love, there's deficit frameworks in that. There's a particular notion to what a Black leader should look like. So when you enter into these rooms, particularly in this moment now where folks are beginning to care out loud for Black people, what do you think is left on the table when you're continuing to navigate the space, understanding the bias that is continuing to happen for people that look like you? And what can we talk about in terms of what is left behind? What is the brilliance that is left on the table when we don't fund Charlotte, when we don't fund Kelly and we don't fund Brandon at the same equitable rate that our White counterparts are funded? I'll throw it to you, Kelly, for it. Oh, Brandon, I see you on mute and go right ahead. Yeah, what are we leaving on the table? That's a hard question, but an easy question in so many ways. Is an easy question because I've often been the person left at the table, right? And it's a hard question because I try not to think about all that has lost in between that time because otherwise I'm overwhelmed with my work. And the barriers to get there. But I am reminded of somebody in my life who challenges me on a daily basis. And it's my younger sister. And when I think of her, I think of this quote, she ain't got kids, but I think of this quote often. Another friend of mine said is that it's nothing more innovative than a black woman raising six kids on $18,000 a year. And me and my sister were one of those six kids. And I just see so much innovation in my sister on a daily basis. My sister is 31 and she was 28 when she was first diagnosed with breast cancer. And when she first got diagnosed with breast cancer, I paused my work, I flew to New York for a few weeks and I made sure she was taken care of during her surgery that when she had a chemotherapy session, people were present with her. And about a year ago, I got a call from her and said, hey Brandon, I wanna pick a bone. We from the country, I don't know where y'all from, but we from Oklahoma. And picking a bone means basically like I have something I wanna talk to you about that I've been mulling over. And this conversation said, she said, hey, I wanted you to stop everything you were doing. I wanted you to stop your, I wanted you to put your relationship on pause. I wanted you to quit your job. I wanted you to break your lease and pick your entire life up and move it from Oakland, California to New York City where I am a single woman living by myself away from all of our family. And I need you to be here. I needed you to be here until I no longer needed you. That was really a hard pill for me to swallow and I talk a lot of stuff over with my best friend and I asked him and he said, it sounded unreasonable. You know, did that sound unreasonable? And I'm reminded of that term a lot. Did that sound unreasonable? And it caught me just like that. Was that reasonable? And I'm an abolitionist and so I'm often fed that line often, is that a reasonable thing to do? Should we reasonably negotiate our conflict with care and not violence instead of police? Is that a reasonable thing we can ever achieve? I'm often asked. And so after further reflection on that, I asked my sister, why did you wait so long to tell me about what was going on? And she was like, I'm a black woman. I've lived my entire life needing to shrink the smallest in every room throughout every one of my relationships. I didn't know how to ask you for what I wanted. And that was about a year ago and so much healing has happened since then. I think that when you, what we leave on the table is when we don't invest in people like my sister and people like the beautiful black woman on this call, you get reasonable solutions. You get solutions that seem reasonable but don't necessarily address the real need. And my sister kept asking me, I'm really glad my sister stopped asking me about what was asking me for, what was reasonable, and she started asking me for what she needed to heal. I think that the black people on this call and the black people who are doing this work are not asking for what's reasonable any longer. And so what's being left on the table is reasonable solutions. Excuse me, what's being left on the table is unreasonable solutions to problems that apply to black communities due to anti-blackness and the conflict that oftentimes we spoke at the table or the table itself is created. And so I think if anything, I'd say that's something that's certainly not on the table. I love the concept of a reasonable and having to justify it in a frame that has often wanted us to minimize. Opening it up for Kelly or Charlotte for any further reflections on that point as well. Yeah, you know, I think about James McCune Smith who was the first university-trained black physician in the early 1800s and how he literally had to go to Glasgow to get trained because no American university would accept him despite the fact that he was brilliant. We came back from Glasgow, one of the first university-trained statisticians in the Western Hemisphere and could not get a job and had to open up a small practice and close out his career working in a foster home. One of those brilliant minds in the Western Hemisphere could not get a university position, right? I think about Pauli Murray who essentially wrote the Bible, they call it the Bible of economic, the piece of research that Thurgood Marshall used when they essentially argued Brown versus Board of Education was written by a black woman, Pauli Murray, who was ivy league-trained and could not get a job as a law clerk. So we are born with equal measures of genius. Just because black folks don't get the opportunity to display and demonstrate our genius in the ways that our white counterparts and other people of color do because let's be clear, there is a social hierarchy, there is a caste system in this country and black people are on the bottom. White folks are on the top and everybody else is mixed up in there somewhere in between, right? And so if we see disparities, if we see differences in performance, it's not because the potential is not equal. The potential is there, the opportunity is missing. So in terms of what we forego, yes, it's what we forego as a black, what is foregone as a black community, but it's really what is foregone as a global society? Because what could James McHugh and Smith had done if he had the resources to really carry forward his genius and to contribute in the ways in which he was capable? What is society foregone? What cures did we not get an opportunity to access? What research has never gotten done? One thing that we know about markets when they are closed, when they're protected, when there's limited competition, there's underperformance. And what we have seen in this society is a protected economy where black folks are always the last to get hired, the first to get fired. And certain classes are protected, white men in large part are protected. There's been a protectionism that has been created where white men were filtered up to leadership and white women in the secretarial roles and black people, the menial roles. And again, everybody else filtered somewhere in between. It wasn't based on ability, it was based on past. And we have to appreciate and understand that. So the loss is not just for black people, the loss is for global society, it's for the world. Unless we get it right, we're gonna continue to retard our growth, our evolution as a global society. Love that. And I mean, that's such a great segue to Charlotte who sits in Kenya, who has a perspective of sitting on the continent doing this work that oftentimes the conversation of anti-blackness does not get to the continent. They don't see it in that frame, right? But Charlotte sits squarely in that. So we'd love to hear some reflections on you as well, Charlotte. I think I was very excited to go on after Kelly because when she was speaking, I think about what Brian said about reasonable solutions and what happens is when we do not get the resources or the financing that we need to work on unreasonable solutions, which is what would solve the problems, we end up working under these people who are funded to accelerate the distribution of reasonable solutions that then ends up putting us back in the circle. Like it's a 360 time because we're back to the same problem. We didn't solve it because we tried to use a very reasonable solution that was never meant for the problem in the first place. And we see that with a lot of brilliant black, especially female founders here in Kenya or around East Africa who are just, they're just so smart, they're just so eloquent. They speak like Kelly. And what happens is they're gonna start a company. It is brilliant. There's just one radical thing about it. Their business model works with women who a funder is going to assume it's too hard to reach so they don't wanna fund that. So they end up becoming an operations manager in an organization that has the same solution minus that radical change. So that is something that I just thought about right now when Kelly was talking and it scared me a little bit to think that I have had that information but it's never registered until now. No, thank you for that. I mean, what we're talking about here is power, right? And Dr. King once said, power is the ability to achieve a purpose. Whether or not it is good or bad depends on the purpose. And often we see power at work in very direct and obvious ways. And at the same time, power operates in less obvious ways, even in hidden ways through cultural norms, ideas and practices that perpetuate existing power relations that discourage questions about the challenges to that power relation. So as marginalized folks given the context of colonialism, white supremacy and all the things that impact our communities but also folks who are rooted in brilliance and joy and humility, how can we preserve ownership and representation within these spaces as we drive our innovative solutions when institutions work to erase that? What are the tools that you walk into rooms while navigating this space to own your work, to own the funding that supports that innovative support while combating this particular space when they are trying to erase your power, trying to erase your approach and your work? Whoever wants to go first, don't jump at once. Okay, I'm gonna go fast in some other need anymore. I think it would help if some black founders learnt not to give up a piece of the pie too fast, especially early on when you're really desperate for someone to finance you and you're ready for them to come on board. You know, you're happy, they've bought into your idea. The keyword for tonight for me would be reasonable again or rather unreasonable. And what that does for you is basically a seduction. Someone talking to you about what you could do if you just turn it down a little bit so that it fits everybody's, I guess, like requirements so you're able to get the partners that you need. So it waters down the impact that you are going to create. So my advice is to really hold on to that entire pie until you really have to give it out. And when you have the power to give it out with your own terms. I think every time an investor has done due diligence on my business and they see that I've stayed with me, maintain 100% ownership, if it's a black woman they always notice and they applaud me for it. Everybody else doesn't pay attention to it but most times there's a black woman asking you how did you manage to do that? I applaud you for that because these are chances they do due diligence on so many organizations. They've seen that the people who gave out too much power too soon lost out on the authenticity of their movements. So my advice is to just hold on to it. It's really hard, especially because we have to struggle. We're always competing with each other to get financing that some of our counterparts don't even have to compete for they just have to say hello to the right person. So try as much as possible and getting onto programs like Echoing Green that just really remind you of who you are, of what you're trying to do and why you need to keep sticking to it. So hold on to that pie and it's really time to let it go and it's for good, I guess, reasonable terms. I absolutely love that. And Charlotte, I mean, I'm uncertain where you are in your entrepreneurial journey, like in where I am, but I wish you would have told me that so much earlier or that I had to learn that so much earlier. Something that really stuck with me and that Tiffany was saying is about how power can be used whether good or bad, like power is used to achieve a particular aim. And oftentimes that power is used and it encourages you to not think about the way that power is used against you, so much so that you can interrogate it to some degree. And so it doesn't give you that space or the opportunity to even reflect on how that power is consuming your life or the life of your loved ones. And I often think about like how police do that, but I thought also about like how capitalism can do that because we are, you know, we're this, you mean really to bring this to bear, like we're having conversations about, you know, raising money from foundations that generally are housing money that's been given to them to manage or to distribute by multi-million or billionaires who have no doubt reached that level of financial stability due to the grave and massive levels of exploiting black labor because that's what white supremacy is. The purpose of it is to maximize the utility of the nigger and insert the nigger can be anybody. It can be the black person at the very bottom of the poll like Kelly said, or any other nigger in between even when they, you know, even when you white, and you pour on me to some degree. I think that the idea here is like what sort of tools have I been able to use? I can just give you some insight from my perspective. My relationship with funders generally, there are a couple of things just getting down to practicality that I just, I think are important when you are a funder, a founder, I mean, when you are a founder and executive director talking to foundations or major individual donors. And when you're talking with a foundation it's important to set a timeline. For me, foundations take incredibly just way too long like being killed by the police is the sixth leading cause of death for young black men in America. They are killed less than every 24 hours. I don't have 18 months to wait on you to negotiate whether you can deliver a $250,000 grant, right? And so what I, yeah, and that's still not enough. And so what I've done is I put together these funding salons that take place. And in order, and so we're building an alternative dispatching system to 911, we will give the funders who want to be a part of that, we will share with them 80% of what they need to know and learn before they get in the room, right? So whatever questions or any things that they have that they want to know about, we can get them that. They have to come to the funding salon. It's an, in this case, it's a virtual invite only 15 funder cap. When it gets out of this pandemic we'll broaden it, we'll widen it to in person every quarter. But the goal is we have four of those a year. We're gonna cap it at 15 funders a quarter. We'll teach you 80% of what you need to know before you get in the room or the virtual session. 20% of it will be talked about from the team in the virtual, the 90 minute virtual funding salon. And then you will only be able to join if you can commit to funding or excuse me making a funding decision, making a decision, a commitment or a no, whatever it is, a final decision within 90 days from the date of that funding salon. So foundations every quarter have an opportunity at 15 at a time to get, to invest in Rahim and this opportunity, but they have to make a decision before the next funding salon. And that's an opportunity, that's really like a, have you ever seen like those? Anyways, I watched a bunch of cinema. So I'm gonna say that I was like, cause they all probably like, they probably, everybody gonna probably like, no, but 300 is a really old, old movie. And it's a fairly violent movie. And so it's fair if you've never seen it, you're not missing a lot, but in 300, they had this space where they kind of like, the whole idea of 300 was that they were able to beat the, you know, not beat, but come close to beating much of the Greeks because they were able to use their numbers for them and work in the space they were in. And so we're, I'm just trying to create like a space that is like the idea is to create an exclusive space where you get to make the rules and funders have to listen to you. Like that's flat out, like, it's no secret. You have to be the driving decision maker because like funders are just managing billionaires' money, trying to offload it to avoid taxes. And you're trying to, like, I don't know, save millions of lives with whatever technology or whatever solution you're building. And like, it's just not the same. So I feel like founders slash executive directors should really be in that driver's seat when it comes to that timeline. Thank you so much, Brandon. Kelly, if you have anything, we can pass it. Okay. You're like, nope, you said all the things. I'm very conscious of time. I want to just maybe toss out. I have two more questions, but also want to be mindful of anyone that has a question in the chat. Marissa, I do see your question, so I will get to that. I want to leave sort of lean us into, what does it look like to pay me in equity, right? Like, what is that future that you are building for Black folks, whether it's through the economy or the community? And what do you need? What is the money monitoring that you need to get to the future that you dream of? Far too often, I was in a room with one of our fellows, no, with the Lord Theresa Hodge that told me, co-founder of R3Score, that told me that for the first time and over her, I don't know, five, seven year journey of being an entrepreneur, somebody finally asked her, what do you need? And have we as Black folks have the ability to say, this is what I need and I need it now? What do you need, Brandon? What do you need, Charlotte? What do you need, Kelly, to build that future that we so imagine and dream of? And what do you hope to leave these folks leave this room with, knowing that you need that work? What is the door that they have to open up for you? What is the door that they have? What is the email that they need to send on behalf of people that look like you? What is the inequitable practices that need to be stopped? What is it that you need to do your work? I'm gonna give it to Kelly. Chris. You know, at the Black Innovation Alliance, our goal is to bring 500 organizations under the umbrella of BIA, support one million innovators of color across the country and direct one billion dollars of investment to the ecosystem that exists to support Black entrepreneurs and innovators. So that's what we tell folks we need. That's absolutely what we believe we need. But you know, there's a scripture, there are several scriptures in the Bible that talk about the Holy Spirit intervening for us because we don't know what we need. And that's the truth, right? Sometimes I just got the call on the Holy Ghost, like Holy Ghost help me out because I'm probably low balling over here. And Black folks have been so used to stripping and scraping and being resourceful because we got two nickels to run, they grub together and we got to save all the people for all the things, right? And so it forces us to really sometimes not even know how much is necessary in order for us to move the needle. So that's kind of where we are. You know, this is a big number. We could do a whole lot with that big number but chances are we don't even have a clue because what we have been given access to is so limited in light of what is necessary in order to correct what has been broken, right? Talk about inclusion, black inclusion, black inclusion for the last 20 years, exclusion for the last 400. I mean, literally, like, how do you fight black, right, black exclusion for hundreds of years and then be fatigued when we've talked about it for a good 18 months? Like, and that's what we're trying to unpack. That's what we're trying to figure out. So I say, one of the things we absolutely need is we need funders to invest in creating space to allow black people to dream, give us resources to heal, give us resources to be together, to love on each other, to be in community, right? That's what we need. Because we would love to create the next scooter but we can't think about creating the next scooter because we're trying to figure out how we ensure that black men don't get shot down in the midst of a traffic stop. So all of our brain space is occupied solving social issues. We like to play too. But we don't have to wear with all the play because we have to fix stuff that's been broken by folks who don't look like us. I love that you said that and then muted yourself, okay? That was typical black woman comment. That was Charlotte, I see you muted yourself. Go right ahead. I think she just did a mic drop on us, but because what happens is she just said that she doesn't know what she needs and for me I would say because I'm not asked that question often, I would throw it back to the people I'm trying to look for financing for. Like what do you really need? Because they say they want impact, they want a financial return and you promise that and they still don't give you what you're saying you need. So my question to them is what do you really need? Because if financial return or social impact is what you're looking for from a black female founder in Africa, then I would suggest you trust female black founders, like give us the resources that we need. Take a bit of a step back and then watch us give you what you need. If it is really what you need, because sometimes I'm suspecting that it's not exactly what you're saying because we're giving you the right numbers. We're telling you this is what we're going to achieve. And if I'm communicating that in five years, if I'm able to distribute 500,000 clean cookstops to Loyka, then I will enable these families to save $50 million in fuel consumption costs. That is your impact. So why am I struggling to raise money? So I'm trying to understand what are you looking for? Cause I feel like what I think you're looking for is not right and we need to kind of communicate on that and figure out what each of us need and see if there is even a fit for us to work together. But my thing is trust female black founders in Africa. We do not want to work behind other founders who've come to solve problems that we've already been solving without any help. We don't want to work for them. We want to solve our own problems. We have the brains to do it. We have the passion to do it. We just need a bit of resource here and there. And for the longest time we've thought that our visuals are aligned, but if they aren't, then really tell us what you need as a founder. Amen. I love that. Just amen. Yeah. Amen to that. Amen to that. Brandon, you got less than a minute and a half. I, okay, I'll make that quick. The question about what we need to fund an alternative dispatching system to 911, we're raising $5 million to do it and we've raised two and a half already. We need another two and a half million dollars by the end of next year in order to build the technical and organizational infrastructure for a world without police. And that includes when I say technical infrastructure, I mean a dispatching system that will dispatch the already pre-existing life-affirming services and organizations delivering those services across the country, but that currently operate outside of the dispatching system because of politics, police unions and policies that prohibit it. And so they are already working to deliver life-affirming services to communities. They are only using a 10-digit local phone number. These organizations are either county or institutionally funded. They are delivering mental health care, domestic violence care. They're responding to quality of life infractions. They're responding to sexual and patriarchal violence. These organizations are responding to homelessness. These are organizations that are truly meeting the needs of community and meeting conflict with care instead of violence. And we believe that they require more technical infrastructure. And by organizational infrastructure, we are going to fund these organizations. Right now, there's a certain number of mobile crisis teams in the United States. We want to triple that number from 50 to 150. And by 2030, we want more than 20,000 safety teams that are delivering life-affirming services in lieu of 911 and the police. So in order to do that, we need $5 million to run a pilot because California is going to be the first state we take over. And then the second thing we need is, I'm looking for someone who, I need to talk to people about boards. We're looking to fill one last board seat and there's that. So I'm looking for a treasurer. That's a very specific thing that I need is a treasurer for the board. So if you go with numbers and you down the hill, yeah. Thank you so much to Brandon, Kelly and Charlotte for sharing their brilliance today with us. There's never enough time to be in community with you all. Can you quickly in the chat, Brandon, Kelly and Charlotte, put your contact information. I know folks want to learn more about your work with where they can reach you. We'll drop that in the chat. And Marisa, I do see a question around de-risking. I want to turn the question back on you and the rest of the audience is, whose job is it to name risk? Is the risk the investment in black folks? Is the risk taking money from organizations that align with our values? And why does philanthropy find it risky to invest in folks that are building solutions that shouldn't even be something that shouldn't even be reasonable, that shouldn't even be the thing, right? Like who is defining that? So I'll leave you with that conversation around, let's rename what we call risk and let's uplift what we call trust. Because I'm reading a book by the autobiography of Asada. And I'll leave you guys with this. She talks about trust. Look, I'm gonna lose it in my time. But what we wanted to do today was we wanted to believe in living. We wanted to believe in birth. And we wanted to believe in the sweet love and in the fire of truth. As black folks, we continue to sit in our truths, no matter what. We leave you guys hopefully inspired to support these three brilliant leaders. And to make a difference in the rooms that you go into because you don't step in there alone. I'm gonna ask that you step in there with Brandon in mind, you step in there with Charlotte in mind and you step in there with Kelly in mind because they step in for communities that look like them. So I hope you do the same too. Thank you all. Thanks everybody. Yes, thank y'all. Oh, beautiful. Thank y'all.