 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I am your host, Krista Porter here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the commission's weekly online event. We are a webinar and we are a webinar that is broadcasted live every Wednesday at 10 a.m. Central Time. But if you are unable to join us on Wednesday mornings, that's fine. We do record the show every week and it is posted to our website for anyone to watch. And I'll show you at the end of today's show where the recordings are. Both our live show and the archives sessions are free and open to anyone to watch. So please do share with your friends, neighbors, family, colleagues, anybody who you think may have interest in any of our topics. Let them know. They can sign up for any of our upcoming shows or watch any of our archives. Encompass Live started in January 2009. So we have almost nine years-ish, we're going, I'm going to be ten years of archives out there. So there's a lot of things to look at. I do be aware though, because it is, we do have everything out there. We are librarians, so we save everything, we archive it all. So there is going to be some sessions out there that are outdated or have, you know, old information. But we're keeping them all out there just in case anyone does want to watch them. So just be aware, everything has got a date on it, so you'll know when it's from. Something is old. We do a mixture of things here on the show, interviews, book reviews, mini-training sessions, demos of services and products, introductions to different resources. Probably the only criteria for the show is that it's something library related. Something libraries are doing, something we think libraries could be doing. The services and resources we have here at the commission that we'd like to share with you or anything out there that around the country that anybody is doing. We have speakers both from Nebraska and from anywhere across the country we've had as we bring in guest speakers sometimes, but we also have library, Nebraska Library Commission staff come in and do shows for us. And that's what we have this morning with me today is Amanda Sweet, who is a reader services advisor at the Talking Book and Braille Service here at the Nebraska Library Commission, which is just downstairs and across the hall from where we are right now. You can see it out the windows there. And she's a session today that's actually, she did at our state annual conference in October on the Nebraska Library Association and the Nebraska School Librarians Association of Joint Conference every fall. And she's a session on this and she's kind of tweaked it a little bit for us today. Added a few things. Yeah, so I'm just going to hand over to you, I'm going to take it away and do a presentation and tell us what you've got first about non-visual desktop access. Beautiful. You can either use the keyboard or the mouse that should both work. All right, sounds good to me. All right, so first I'd like to tell you a little bit about how I got into screen readers just to give you a little bit of background about how I became knowledgeable about this subject. And so I started out in a company called Beyond Vision. And it's a company that employs 85% blind and visually impaired people. And for about two years in my life, I was the only sighted person in the room. So everyone in there used screen readers. And eventually I became the coordinator. So I had to help train people on using all the different technology in there and using everything in there. So I had to kind of, if you're going to train blind people and how to use technology, have to find out how to use that technology. So I took my own little crash course in screen readers. And I picked up a lot of information about it, learned how to code websites for it and all that stuff. And then I found out that a lot of the people in Beyond Vision, they stopped using library services because they couldn't access the information. So they went to some of the local libraries over there and they realized that most of it wasn't screen reader compatible. So my main reason behind doing this presentation is to help libraries to raise awareness about this. And to get more visually impaired people in the library to get them access to information because I do believe in equal access for all and I'd love to help work towards that. It's interesting because so many libraries are concerned with being on compliance with the ADA in general. But it's interesting that there's obviously some things that they're missing when they're doing some things that are good. But in other areas, we're still lacking, right? You don't even realize it potentially. Yeah, and a lot of people would love to be completely compliant with screen readers. Some people think they already are, but it's just a hair off. And it just could use a little bit of tweaking to get the rest of the way there. And that's what I'm here for. So this presentation is going to be broken up into three separate sections. The first is going to be kind of like a little overview of how screen readers work and what exactly they are. And then I'll move into just a quick little bit about how to set up a visually impaired computer station. And that's just in case you want to set one up in your own library or if you want to help patrons set it up in their own homes. And the last little section is going to be about helping make your own website more screen reader friendly. And this might help you kind of, it's just a few quick ways to tweak what you've already got so that it's a little more friendly to screen readers. So let's get started here with what a screen reader actually is. So it reads the text that's off of your computer screen. But what it's actually doing is reading the HTML code behind the website. And I'll get into that a little bit more with a few examples a little later on in the presentation. And in order to use a screen reader, you use all keyboard commands to tell the screen reader what you want it to read. So you may be familiar with a lot of this already, like control S, you use as a shortcut to save. And it's sort of similar to that with a screen reader. But the only difference is that you don't necessarily need a monitor or any visual representation to be able to interact with the computer. Like when I was at Beyond Vision, a lot of them forgot to turn their monitor on. So when we had to read it, yeah, exactly. So I'd have to go through and do a check every time we had a two round to make sure everyone's monitor was on so that people weren't really confused whenever walking behind. And so if you were to get a screen reader in your library, you could also use one of the free screen readers to do your testing, to make sure that you are screen reader compliant, and you can open up your services to more visually impaired people, both in person and at home. And you can also become an access point for visually impaired people to learn more about the resources that are available to them. And there is a different screen reader available for each different operating system. And these are kind of like some examples of the common operating systems and the best free screen reader for them. Some of you may have heard about screen readers like JAWS, which is job access. I can't remember what the WS stands for. But that's one of the most popular paid versions. And that cost probably upwards of $2,000. So it's kind of cost-preventive for a lot of libraries and a lot of different patrons to use. There may be some libraries in Nebraska that do have them. We did include that when we did, we had a B-type branch where we tried computers to libraries a few years ago. And as part of that, they were able to select an ADA workstation as one of their computer setups. And I believe JAWS was included as part of that deal. We had grant monies for that, of course, so the libraries didn't pay for it. But that was only a few libraries. Not everybody. And like you said, we have grant money. That's where you can do that kind of thing. I did not know that. Thank you. But so this presentation is going to focus on NVDA, which stands for Non-Visual Desktop Access. And I've used that one because it's the most popular free, the free screen reader. So it's accessible to more people. You can download it from anywhere. And anyone can download it for free. When you go to their website, they will ask for a small donation. If it's something that you can do, great. If it's something that you can't, you're definitely not required to. Their main mission is to make screen readers free and accessible to as many people as possible. And there's also voiceover comes automatically with most iPhones and the non-operating system. And Linux I'm not as familiar with, but I included it just because it is popular. And there are a lot of libraries and patrons that might use it. And I also love their with icons. Yes, that was awesome. All right, so how exactly does it work? I covered a little bit about how the HTML code works and what the screen reader is actually reading. So this is going to be the mechanics of how you get NVDA onto your computer and onto the patron's computer. So it can either be downloaded directly onto the computer or you can make a portable flash drive copy. And if you got really ambitious, you could even distribute flash drive copies from the library. But that's a whole other thing. And it works with most popular applications like web browsers with the Microsoft Office suite, Open Office, which is an open source version of Microsoft Office. And pretty much most things you run into it will work with or there's a plugin that will make it compatible to work with that. And it's available in English and several open languages. So it's getting pretty widespread with that. And let's just move on here. And first, were there any questions about how screen readers work or anything about getting screen readers in your library? If you have any questions, you can take them in the questions section of your GoToWebinar interface and we can grab them here. Or if you have your own microphone, which if you do, you can use that to ask your question if you wanted to. Just type in that I have a microphone. Please unmute me. And I can do that and you can ask your question that way. But nothing's been typed in while you're talking. All right, so I'll just push on here. And now this is an example of what you might see on your computer screen. And it is color coded. I made them very garish looking colors in some cases. But that is for a reason that we will get to later. And this is what the screen reader is actually going to be reading. It kind of looks like just a mess of code, but we'll kind of parse this through a little bit later on when I get into examples of how to make your website more screen reader friendly. And this is just kind of a little brief example. And so I went over a few different reasons that a library would use these materials. But I would also like to go into kind of an example that I ran into at a public library that I worked in back in my undergrad. So there was a patron that came in and said that her son was losing his vision and she didn't know what to do. He was completely lost because he thought he was going to be losing computer access. And luckily at this time, I had already had some experience under my belt of beyond vision. And so I wound up letting her know about screen readers and letting her know about some of the resources that were available. And she told me something kind of interesting, which was that he was terrified to go into one of these agencies that specialized in blind vision impaired patrons. And I asked, I was kind of wondering why that was. And she said that he was terrified that this was actually real. That they get real. Yeah, yeah. But he was more willing to go into the library because it was a place that he had been many times and he was familiar with it. So I wound up actually showing him how to use NBDA and giving him a brief overview in the library. And it was actually years before he could bring himself to go to one of the American Federation for the Blind or something like that because he hadn't internally accepted it. And this kind of making these resources available in the library is just another access point that people might feel safer using. And you might even just be able to help them set it up in the wrong home, even if it's not in the library itself. There are pretty much anything helps with this. And there's also some resource packets available that I'll go over at the end of the presentation just so you know where to send people. And if you did want to set up your own screen reader in the library, this is a little table that'll show kind of how much the constant estimate is. Of course, the screen reader itself is free. And some of you may have heard the Windows Ease of Access Center. That'll let you kind of change the contrast on your computer so that people with macular degeneration or some of the other different vision issues will be able to see the colors better or be able to magnify the images better. And this is something that's already on most computers, most Windows-based computers. And Headphones, a lot of libraries already have. Otherwise, patrons might be able to use earbuds or something like that. And tactile markings on the keyboard is just a little dot that you stick on certain keys. And I've also marked which keys are best to put it on there. This layout is actually designed for NVDA because Insert is the button that is kind of like the most common key combination. So for example, Windows-based Control is the combination that we use. Like Control-S, Control-V, Control-C. And with NVDA, it's Insert F7 or Insert N or just as an example. And F7, I'll go into why that's more important a little bit later on when we have more examples in front of us. And F and J are the home row keys that are just an orientation point. And basically, if you were to close your eyes, run your hand over the keyboard, your pinky would run into these dots. And you would know where to kind of put your hands to orient yourself and figure out what you're doing and be able to access the keyboard faster. So it really doesn't really cost too terribly much to set up a visually impaired station. If you already have a headset, all you'd really need is the tactile markings, which would be NCBVI distributes them for a dollar or two if you pick them up in person or if you have a nearby representative. And Amazon also sells them for maybe $3 to $7 depending on which time you get, because Amazon has everything. Yes. And the rest of this is pretty much optional. Signature line guides, the people that don't be out of vision use them a lot because you need signatures on a great many things, including a TWS application. And you can just put it above the line that they're going to use and place the pen just at the top left-hand corner. And then they'll write their signature on the inside of the box. That's definitely not necessary, but if you have a lot of visually impaired people or a lot of blind people in the area, that might be a good thing to pick up. And talking calculators, they came in handy a lot during tax season. I know a lot of libraries do kind of in library tax preparation or tax help. They have someone come in that was an expert to help write their patrons. And talking calculators came in handy a lot just to help a visually impaired people or to you don't even necessarily have to be visually impaired. You can be like the elder that you can use those a lot because it's hard to see the tiny numbers on a calculator sometimes. But moving right along here. So someone does have a question about having the screen reader on the flash drive. OK. She says, my library is moving toward using Chromebooks in our public areas. Would the screen reader still work by using a flash drive on a Chromebook? Chromebook has its own screen reader. Ah, there's a built-in. Also, so it's built-in. You don't need to add anything to it. And they do have user guides on the website to be able to use it. Even easier than I am. But that does remind me if you are using the portable copy for a Windows based or another computer, they do have setups for laptops and for regular keyboards. So that might be something to look into if you were to get your own. And that's good to note for schools, too, that Chromebooks, because a lot of kids, they're doing a lot of one-to-one devices. And I know sometimes Chromebooks is what they would be buying for everyone in the school. And the last section of this presentation is generally making websites more screen reader friendly. So this is just a little listing of kind of what I'm going to touch on. It's not going to be an incredibly in-depth review because we've only got an hour here. But in fact, we've only got about a half hour. So we can definitely cover that in that time. We'll be fine. And so first, I'm going to touch on the headings. So we're going back to the example here about the headings in Chromebook. I'm just going to play a little snippet of how a screen reader would read this. Now, you may have noticed on there that it announced every time that there was a heading on there. And it would say what kind of heading it was. And that's how you would reformat the website. And this is where the color coding from that website comes in now. So on the left-hand side is what you would see on the computer screen. And on the right-hand side is what you would see while you're writing the website. So you'll notice that on the right-hand side, it'll say H1, H2, H3. And the biggest thing is just making sure that these are in the right order. So a lot of times what website builders will do is it'll choose the heading that is just the size that you want it to be. So it might default. So that H1 might default to H3 because it's the font size that's the right default. Or some website builders will just automatically code it as a paragraph. And a paragraph is that little P in brackets on the right-hand side there. And if it is, if it winds up all being paragraphs or all being kind of out of order, it jumbles up how the screen reader interprets it. Because the screen reader will show up a list like this. If you hit Insert and F7, it pulls up the heading list. And this is kind of how it kind of interprets that. And I made a version of this that'll tell you it corresponds the H1, H2, H3 with the heading that the screen reader user actually interprets on there. So this is kind of like driving home the point that if your headings are out of order, screen readers will get really jumbled up. They won't be able to access information in the same way. And it might kind of wind up completely out of order. And this is one of their main navigation points of how they interpret a website. A lot of screen reader users will go to a website. They will first they'll go through the headings list and find out the organization of the website, make sure it has the information that they want on it, and see if it's actually relevant to them. And they'll also pull up a list of the links. So this is a list of all the links that are on that little sample page that I put up there. And this is where the description of the link really comes in handy. You'll see that that click here. That is why you don't want to use that kind of phrasing in there. Because if a screen reader pulls that up, they have no idea what you're talking about. This is one of their- You're going to say click here, right? What you're going to get when you click. Exactly. Yeah. And that's why you want to be a little more descriptive when you're putting together your link titles. And it's okay if you don't have everything capitalized. You can definitely just make sure that it looks okay on the page. A screen reader won't always say whether something is capitalized or not. So all they will hear is ways to stay organized. They won't hear ways, caps to caps. Then it'd be way too much for a screen reader user to be able to interpret that way. It would get all mixed up. And so that's why you'll see on this example, the link names just kind of blend into the regular sentence. There's, you don't have to do anything special with it. You just have to make it a little more descriptive so that when a screen reader user pulls up this list, it actually makes sense. I mean something, you know. Right. And honestly, I think as we've moved along in years and being more comfortable with the internet and how links work, this is actually good, I think, website design. It's actually having your links just say something, not saying click here, click here, click here, or things. Yeah. Most websites, hopefully, are doing that. I mean, I try to avoid the click here thing and make it be, you know, this is the link, you know. And what it says is where it's going to. People know something that's a color is something to click on. It's becoming known. So hopefully in general, website designers are moving away from that click here and making it look more professional by having it just be built into the actual words themselves. Yeah. Fingers crossed. Yeah. We can try. And the other thing that I ran into a lot is, so I keep going back to Beyond Vision and then it's kind of like the main example that's relevant to this. So bear with me here. But so back when I was at Beyond Vision, we brought in a, it was a new call center technology that we used, but they claim that it was screen reader compliant, but it wasn't actually. So when they sent people over to train the call center, how to do it, first the trainers didn't know how to use a screen reader, so they didn't know how to exactly train everyone there. So they actually wound up spending the two days of training making the website compliant. So I wound up building like a whole bunch of hot keys and kind of like shortcut keys so that they'd be able to interact with the page at all. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to do their job. But so that's kind of the point that I'm making here is that for web developers or for anyone building websites, it's kind of nice to start thinking about accessibility in the first place instead of building it and then going back and retro it. Cause then you wind up taking extra time doing it and it's just faster and easier to just do it from the start. And a lot of people definitely are starting to think more about that. ADA compliance is definitely getting more popular, screen readers are more popular and awareness is definitely being raised about that and I love that. And I'm just here to help that along a little bit with the baby boomer generation getting up to that age where they're becoming elderly and you're gonna need this more too that may be a big push as well. You're gonna have more of your users coming in who are gonna need this. I mean, that big group of people, as they move through, has to relate to them cause there's just so many of them that's gonna be needed even more. And then it's pretty quick and easy to set it up in the library and it's just kind of nice to get ahead of the game sometimes. And now going back to this main list here, we've gone over how to set up the headings and we've done the link names here. So let's move on to adding the alt text for images here. So a lot of times when screen readers try to, of course visually impaired and blind people can't always see the images on the computer. Sometimes they'll be able to blow it up and make it about five times the normal size to be able to catch little glimpses of it. But it's easier to have a really good description of what's actually in that image. So I have an example here of two different images. Now the image on top does not have an alt text letting anyone know what it is. And a screen reader will completely ignore that. And they won't even know there's right picture there at all. And the image on the bottom, it will have an alt text that says button diagram for standard player. So to give you an idea of how this actually comes into play, this is what a screen reader would do to access these. We don't know what's an alt text, so let us really know what the image contains. The image below doesn't have an alt text stating it is a button diagram for standard player. That image below doesn't have an alt text stating that it is a button diagram for standard player. That image below doesn't have an alt text So you'll notice that it read the sentence and then it didn't do anything with this. it skipped it. And then it read this, the one at the bottom, it said blank, and that's just because I put a, it's bracket BR slash, which is just a blank line. So it read that, and then it read the graphic image and button diagram for standard player. And that graphic image is what a screen reader user uses. They're trained to listen for that, and it's what they watch out for when they're interacting with sites. So there's kind of a rule of thumb that I use for coding the images on here. And that's if the image is definitely vital to the understanding of the site, I'll put in an alt text for it. And if an image is not necessary, like if it's a completely decorative little piece of scroll work in the corner, I'll just leave it old, and then it'll be two little quote marks, then it'll be blank in the middle there. And just to give me an idea of what this, so I can tell you alt text a million and one times, but you'll have no idea what that means necessarily. So what I'll do here is kind of show you what that would look like on the screen here. So again, the top here is what you would see on the screen, and the bottom is the code. And this is the line that we're looking at here. This will be like the final name of what your image is. And then you've got like the size of it. And this is the money shot here. This is what an alt. Yeah. And if you don't have an alt here, a screen reader doesn't acknowledge it at all. And this comes into play a lot, especially with the diagrams that are up here. Like on the website, on our TVBS website, we have a lot of these diagrams, letting people know how to use the player, how everything works. And if they have a sighted aid using it, then the image can come in handy. Sure. And if they're kind of working together, they want to be able to interpret that image in sort of the same way. So sometimes images will need more description. And sometimes you can get away with just saying picture of a talking with player. So it's all about context, but it just kind of helps out the screen reader user to be able to interact with the site the same way that a sighted user would be able to. I know sometimes when I've been doing website design or updating things on our website through either use expression web or WordPress for blog posts and things, when inserting images, there's always a field that says, you know, caption for it. Right. Do you want to do a caption face? And sometimes because of whatever the image I brought in, where it came from, it brings it in on its own. And it fills it in. I don't know why this sometimes why it doesn't, because all my images have names, and sometimes it's blank. And I have to type in what it actually is to come up. And that's the same thing that would then feed through as being the alt or is that it's similar. Yeah. So you can put the caption option will actually put something under here. It'll basically put something under there. So if you put an alt and a caption, it'll read this twice. Okay. And that's not the end of the world. Scanner users are used to that. They really care too much. Yeah. But if you don't want to use a caption, you can put the alt in there. But if you know you're going to have a caption sometimes for sighted people, a caption is useful for that. Exactly. The actual caption that's underneath the picture too. Yeah. See, it might need to have might Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. It's interesting. It's cool that this is making people have to know HTML code. Because I've gotten a feeling lately that because things are so easy with people creating web pages or doing WordPress sites or blog things that out of the knowledge of all the HTML code, people are, it's a, you don't need to know it just, you know, it's all what you see is where you get the thing. And it makes it easier for people designing a website. Sure, that I don't have to learn HTML. But I think you really still do. I mean, I still pop over to my code for everything I'm doing, but there's always something that's going to mess up. And I have to figure out why I didn't do it. And the only way to figure it out is to figure out, I forgot the right end paragraph or the whatever. And I'm pretty much living my code. Yeah. But and my main thing with this is it's awesome to know code. I love code and my heart code. But sometimes you just want to use the builder too. Yeah. So what I'd like to be able to show people is how to interact with their builder and then just pop into the code for about 30 seconds, adjust what you need, and then go back to the same zone. Yeah. And there are some web builders that are getting better at adding a field for old text. Like I was in Dreamweaver the other day, and they started adding a field for old. So you load in a picture, you drag it over to where you want it to be. And then on the sidebar, there's a little field that says ALT. And then you fill in what you want it to be. And it pops that in there. So there are like some one site builders are getting better at it. But there's a long way to go. And until they until every one site builder gets better at it, it's easier to just pop into the code and do it. Just just sit there. Yeah. And if you have any questions about it as you go along, you know where I live. And before I continue on, are there any questions about anything we've covered so far here? Type in your question section. If you want to know anything more about the coding of these images. And should be able to do it again there. That's it. Alright, so now back over to my handy-dandy list of what we've covered so far. We got up through ALT text here, and now we're on to labeling form fields. So say, for example, you go into a website and you want to submit a question that'll get emailed over to the company. And you want to put in your name, you might want to check up a few boxes saying what you're asking about, maybe add a comment. So for a screen reader user to interact with that, if you don't add a label to your edit fields, it'll just say edit, edit, edit, edit, edit. And there'll be no way to interact with the form, and the vision impaired user won't be able to use that function of the site. But if you do add a label to the form fields, it'll say name, edit, contact information, edit, check this box here, edit, and things like that. Well, actually it won't say edit for check this box here. But, you know, let me just show you how it would actually work here. So we'll go, I added just a little sample of a form here. I added an edit field and then just a couple check boxes. There's a ton of different options for a form, but I didn't want to make this too horribly long, so I just chose a couple things. And this is what it looks like on the site here. And so this is where the, I over sprawled sorry, I'm going back. But this is where the check boxes start here. So you can kind of, I would like to give people a little cheat sheet to find where they are in the code. If you click in the middle of the code and hit control F, it'll pop up a little find box. And then type in name, which is what you see on the screen here, enter, and it'll highlight every instance of your name. And this is the one you want here. And if you want to find the option one, option two, option three, you can also do the same exact search there. And it's just easier to kind of orient yourself as to where you're, what you're seeing on the screen versus what you're seeing in that mess of code down there. And so this is kind of like the important part that I'm getting after here, which is the label for here. And the label for name is what makes this pop up here. This is also helpful for site end users because people want to know what they're actually filling in there. But the label for will also when it's paired with this input ID, and the name here, it's what will read it in the screen reader. So it's kind of both those two working together, that'll help the screen reader actually interact with it. And the same goes for the options down here, you have that same label working together with the actual input field. And let's see, I can also go into, you know, if you have any questions about how to make different form fields accessible, there's also a really great resource out there that was put together by the American Federation for the Blind. And I do have a virtual handout available. So I added it to the website here. And it is so this you can go on to to find kind of like a little brief overview of what this presentation was about. And this is the what you can go to define more information about coding for screen readers. So this was made by the American Federation for the Blind. And they give a lot of different examples that give some different resources. I'll close this as we don't need it anymore. And this is kind of the World Wide Web Consortium is also a really great place to go to. They're kind of like a leading edge and accessibility there. They made this whole huge guidebook is to help out developers. For this one, you need to be a little bit tech savvy. But for the ones that are down here, if you're using a website builder, these tips and tricks to improve web accessibility, they're great for working with web builders and they give great examples like that. And it's just a different place to go to for that. And at this point, are there any other questions that you have about accessibility? Any questions? Go ahead and type in whenever you think of anything. So something on your websites that you're wondering about how to fix it or are you doing it right? Maybe type in now and get your questions answered. We do go officially in Compass Live. It goes to officially 10 to 11 am central time. But if we do run long, that's fine. This is our show. Take whatever it takes to get through everything for you to get through all your slides and your deadline. And if you guys do have any questions, we'll stay until anything. Everything is answered in that I'll figure out. If you do have to leave at 11 o'clock, that's all you wanted. That's fine. Like I said, there are the beginning, we are recording. So you can always go back later and watch the end bits if we do that over time. And this last one I can just cover in a quick elevator speech, just couple sentences long. So when you go to your main website, just click in the address bar and start hitting the tab key. And when you hit the tab key, just kind of take a look at where it starts to highlight. And it'll start highlighting the links and it'll start highlighting the form fields. So if that highlights in like a halfway decent order, that makes sense to a sighted person, pretty good. It also makes sense to a screen reader. And I won't go into that little test, right? You can run. Yeah, just a quick little litmus test, it takes maybe like half a minute. And I won't go into the whole detail of how to fix it if it is broken. But that American Federation for the blind site will have a lot of resources to help with that too. And with that, I'll just finish up by just giving a little overview of the different resources that you can send people over to. And of course, number one, talking with the Braille services. Hi. That's us. And then Hadley Institute for the Blind Visually Impaired, they do training courses through the mail. So if people want to learn Braille, if they want to learn screen readers, if they want to learn computers, technology, a bunch of different things, they get contact Hadley and then they do either email or through regular mail correspondence courses. And they have, it's a free service and blind vision for people or relatives of blind vision impaired or organizations assisting blind vision impaired can use Hadley. And Nebraska Commission for Blind Vision Impaired are great for in-person tutorials and in-person training for orientation for cane orientation, computers. I believe they have a woodchop class, don't quote me on that though. They use to, I'm pretty sure they still do. And Nebraska Center for Education of Children for Blind and Vision Impaired, they do similar things to NCVDI, but they work with children who are still of school age. And American Foundation for the Blind, they are the ones that put together that resource for coding and making website accessibility. And they do a whole lot of other things. So if you have any questions, let me know. And my email address is also on that virtual hangout that I had on the first slide of this too. Right, yeah. The PowerPoints here too, we'll have a link and we'll do the archive afterwards. We'll have a link to the virtual handout. But also, we usually take PowerPoints and we upload them too. We have a slide share account where we share presentations. We'll upload that there. So you have both of those options for the content. Well, but that was my spiel and I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving. So if anybody have any questions, any last minute things you want to know about screen readers, how to get them. You know, obviously, making your website, getting a screen reader is great or having something that is on the computer. But for many websites that are out there, but making your own website, your library site, or your OPEC compatible with them is going to be important for providing specifically providing library services to around that comes in. So it's kind of a it's definitely it's a two step process here, having the screen reader software or a workstation that is the ADA one, and then making sure that at least what you're offering is what you have control over. You don't have control over everything on the internet. So and I obviously just like you're saying that people using these understand that they're going to encounter some sites that are just going to be gibberish, right? If that even happens for a set of people. Yeah. But at least for your own, I think it's great with all these tips about all the coding and everything and what screen readers actually do because I personally had no idea. Yeah, but just assumed it so I was on the screen and just read the same thing that we see but it's not it's it's it's it's like it's computer it's coding it's looking behind the scenes to see what's actually we've got built in behind scenes there. Oh, and make a couple of overdrive accessible to working into a major they have special setups or that's something we in how to I kind of worked out a way to make people accessible. There's limits what we can do to separate another company's yeah, services. Oh, and if you give a visually impaired person the web address to Kupla, make sure they have their library card number two, because if you just say, oh, enter your library card number, they'll get home, pull up the car and go, well, I tried. That needs to be part of the URL that you get, because they don't specifically get into that. Yeah. That definitely if you have any questions. But is this the end all the slides you've shown? Okay, go back to the first one that your contact info on there. So that'll have the blasts of the very beginning. There you go. There it is. Yeah. Yeah, man. So Amanda's here at the library commission. Email, phone number that reach out to her as you're working on your sites. If you do have any need any help. That's what we're here for. But looks like nothing that nobody has any desperate questions. typing anything. I can't see us people typing. I just I only I only see it when it's done. So it's the day before things. Don't want to think about it yet. A long weekend coming up hopefully for many people. All right, then I think we'll wrap it up for today. Thank you. We almost hit our full hour. That's awesome. So yes, thank you very much everyone for attending. Thank you, Amanda for this. I know this is one of the sessions from conference. I definitely wanted to get out here to all of our libraries. So many people that don't, you know, have the ability to attend in person. So right. So yeah, so this is great. I learned a lot about it. So I have certain parts of the commission site that I am responsible for. I don't know how much you guys do is checking everything that we have such a huge website. Well, I just like the TVBS website. Yeah, actually is more Oh, we've been always needed. Yeah, you never know. So definitely. I'll take a look at that. So that will wrap it up for today's show. I'm going to steal the keyboard here and it will be it is being recorded. It will be on our website, which is let's get over here. There's a commission website. You can search our site for Encompass Live. You can just Google or use your search engine of choice. It's supposed to be here, of course. I don't use Bing. I'll tell you that. But Encompass Live is, and actually, yeah, I'm going to do this. Not soon getting where I like here. Close this anymore. Much better. All right. Something is wonky. We had trouble with this cube. We have wireless MEDAs running in the background. He's coming up. Right, we'll do it this way. There. That's a better look at our Encompass Live website. Awesome. Okay. So Encompass Live, the recordings will be posted. These are Encompass Live website recordings go here right after our upcoming shows. You click on the archives. This is the last big show. So today's we posted here at the top of the list. Most recent ones go here. We will have a link, last week we just had a recording, but we'll link the recording. I'll have a link to the virtual handout and then a link to the PowerPoint as well. I'll be here for you. For any of you that attended or registered for today, we'll get an email letting you know when it's ready. Hopefully, this afternoon, later this afternoon, I will be here today, the rest of the day, getting things finished up before going up on a holiday break. And we'll post it out to all of our places that we post things. So that will be for today's show. I hope you join us next week when our topic is Libraries Rock Summer Reading Program 2018. Yes, it is time to plan. It's been time to plan for next year's summer reading program. Libraries Rock is the motto, theme being music and music in any way you can think of really. So anything music related. Sally Snyder, our children, coordinator children's and unit of library services here will do her regular listing of titles that will address this focus, both for children's all the way up to teens. There is children's theme titles, teen in this in this summer reading program, they have children's teen and adult actually adult reading program, some reading program information as well, but she'll tell you some books for kids and teens related to next year's summer reading programs. We know you gotta get started working on that. Also all of our other topics are upcoming shows are listed here as well. I'm working on things for next year for January. So we'll keep an eye on the schedule. 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