 Speaking of excellent. I showed rags a couple Simpsons episodes. Which ones did you show them? Lisa on ice and the two who shot mr.. Boone's later or Lisa on ice man that every time the ending gets me Yeah, it's quite wholesome Yeah, it's some or also just reminds me of like I feel kind of sorry for like 20 minute animated shows They have to tell complete stories so quickly Like yeah They're pretty jam-packed with stuff is I mean you're there's just moving along You know how much time to waste It's funny to think about because remember the whole point of bojack horseman was things don't get neatly wrapped up in 20 minutes But yet yet it still has less substance than like the who shot mr. Burns two parter, which is like better than that whole show Yeah, that was that was fun to watch We paid because I've never really watched a Simpsons never was a thing that I see now because to me That's like foreign because when I was growing up everybody watched the Simpsons. Yeah, watch the Simpsons Um, I didn't even have parents would let me watch Simpsons. Yeah. Yeah, it happens. Obviously. We all had like There's some weird restrictions that can come up for different parents who just have different worries about different things and Um, yeah The Simpsons was designed to subvert Like standard family sitcoms. So it's easily Understandable that a a normal family might be like well, this is just a bit. This is almost toxic this show. It's just like oh because Simpsons at times can be like everybody Sucks there, but then also they um, they come through in lots of ways and it always felt to me anyway a lot more authentic like Um in brief interactions that can come across a lot of people are very ego driven or self driven Um, but when the chips down and the choices come in they usually make the right decision And you gotta believe who Homer is Yeah, uh, because at least Ron ice if you only watched that episode had to judge Homer as a character He's kind of a complete asshole Yeah, he's talking about how they're both losers Losers Let's burn this place down Let's tear this place apart. I fucking love the chief The joke. Oh the joke with the the pie. All right pie. Listen, I'm gonna do I'm gonna walk forward and do this And if you get eaten, it's your own fault Smashes his head on the fucking oven lights The the favorite part for me about that joke was him going. Oh Oh my oh the hell with it. It just eats the pie Yeah He's more invested in the pie that he has about completing about the pain. He's just like, I can't fucking just move on I think that's the Simpsons is like so genius in ways that as a kid, you never really appreciated like the show was really funny But then when you rewatch it as an adult, it's just like Because I I know we've talked about that clip that clip when um, it's the bot bot Is it bot's comment? I think it's like that episode is Insane it turns the number of jokes. Which season is bot's comment I think that's season five. I want to say season six. Holy shit season six. It is so many good episodes of it Well, that's the thing for me is season six was the only one that I ever had on dvd So I watched that one over and over and over again. I remember there was like that was one where homework goes to clown college Um, I think that was the one where marge becomes a cop was in that episode too Forget about the badge. When do we get the freaking gun? Hey, I told you you don't get your gun until you tell me your name I've had it up to here with you else Remember it's funny too, which was which is kind of nice to see a comedy show that's actually funny Oh, yeah, that's because when I rewatch family guy, I just don't laugh Yeah, oh well You were far fewer than simpsons At least it's classic here, right And if it was like cheating with family guy because most of the funny jokes are cutaways and cutaways are really easy to do Yeah, we just we just want a joke here. So we're just gonna have this joke be here for whatever It doesn't have anything to do with anything, but you know Yeah, it's it's it's gag writing which is what Trey Parker and Matt Stone said like they don't respect it because it's just It's just gags like where you have the the whole joke in that episode is that a bunch of manatees Just pick up balls from a tank that have words written on them and then just put them in a row And then it's a family guy joke Like a name and adjective Like what sort it is. I want a lemon of Troy as well. That one's I think season 6 too Do you know how it ends with? Well, there's a lemon tree in Springfield and Shelbyville steal it. Yeah After they have their little like first initial fight with the kids from either town Grandpa the Simpsons in the background just goes some things never change the millhouse goes look everyone an old man is talking and they'll just walk Sit Part of that episode where the other guy's dad like the The faux homer from Shelbyville where he's like, sorry Springfield you lose now if you excuse me I'm feeling a little hungry. He just takes a bite out of a lemon The expression is incredible Yeah And yeah, he's trying they try to like make it a win by the end that the lemon tree was lost to Shelbyville So they're like we cast out the evil lemon tree now. Let's have a cold glass of turd of juice Yeah, it's so many fun days you ever had prune juice I don't know. I feel like I would know at some point maybe but no memory of it. It's warrior's drink Uh Yeah, so Simpsons is neat Simpsons is neat. I really enjoyed watching it. It was fun And I feel like it doesn't require like a a big commitment, you know to watch some. Oh, yeah, yeah real quick Really, um, I'll stop remembering jokes. Okay. It's just it's we're in the intro All right, everyone's pouring in you guys can listen. Let's talk about a favorite moments from Simpsons in who shot mr. Burns when they Exonerating Smithers and he goes so instead of shooting an evil old man I shot it assault old man. It's much worse Yeah, that was really funny. I remember laughing at that. I remember there was just a lot of good stuff It's just and it's the delivery too. The voice actors are really good. So the deliveries are quite good All those voice actors super talented considering that there are only three male voice actors Like in the show who basically play all of the male characters It's it's kind of it's unreal actually the versatility of like Dan Castellan at a Hank Azaria and um And you can find yourself being like, oh, I'm not even sure which one of them that is. You're like you're listening. You're like, that could be Yeah I think um, I for some reason I used to think that chief wiggum was Dan and not Hank Azaria And then it's like, oh, wait. No, it is Hank Azaria And then of course like you can figure out some of them But some of them get really difficult to to figure out like it's obvious that Abe We're not obvious. I don't want to say obvious because they still have different voices like Krusty Abe and Homer all voiced by the same person, but then you start like pushing it further and further Uh, because they're all they all have interesting origins, right? Because Abe is supposed to just be really really old Homer and then Krusty was originally going to be Homer as well That's right. Yeah, I'm I'm so happy that he was like his own character because Krusty is like Hilarious. Yeah I think they're all stereotyped. So Krusty is the washed up celebrity. Like it's the The person like he just arrives when mr. Boots blocks out the sun and everyone hates him He's just like I've been in Reno for six weeks. Yeah. Hi Yeah I feel like the favorite joke with Krusty was the the one where he does the ads for a Krusty burger I think he's like, you know, if you win you get a free Krusty burger takes a bite And cut I think that I think Bethesda was probably a really big fan of the Simpsons because they too think that they can get away with only using Three voice actors for their games. Oh Oh, shit. Sure. It's fine But that's probably more for their old games, right less so now now they have like the money to get whoever they want So Skyrim is a game that really comes to mind when I talk about when if you say Um, what's one of the flaws of Skyrim? If I ever end up making a Skyrim wasn't ever that good video because it's true And uh, well, I feel like our golden honeymoon for Skyrim lasted way too fucking long and it was always okay But everyone just I don't know got attached to it But I noticed it in Skyrim a lot. Um, where you just you clearly obviously the same voice actors And a lot of stuff. Yeah, I look up on our IMDb On IMDb, there's like seven or eight people who play like 20 or 30 This is unreal In what Skyrim? Yeah, like look at look at the cast for Skyrim Like there are a decent number of people in it, but there are some people who are playing like 30 characters Well, yeah, and you feel it because I don't want to say they're not talented But there's a lot of play they do not Hide it well at all Well, I think there's only so much you can do like Steven Russell. He's a really good voice actor who played Garrett and uh in Thief and he's playing like 40 characters I I feel like even the best voice actors you're gonna really struggle Once you get to that point, you know, yeah Plus why so impressed with Simpsons is just like you have these people doing 50 voices and it's like, how the fuck? How's that even possible? Yeah I don't know how bad it has been fallout for um, it's probably the same They probably I I bet it's the same. I don't maybe it's a little better. Maybe not but you would I guess you'd think that with If you have Bethesda money Then you could hire more than four people to voice your 100 plus characters and you're sprawling I say sprawling you big open world RPG, you know with all of the characters and stuff But I guess all that work went towards Well, but all that work went towards something else so Whatever that is Full out for us better, but still Steven Russell is playing like 15 characters Yeah That's weird that you wouldn't do it like rock star where you just get one person per character Because you have that much money that you can afford to do it And I think with rock star it'd be easier because a lot of the NPCs and stuff. They're supposed to be like parody people and um So it simpsons works in the same way where simpson is a cartoon and it's a comedy and stuff So you can get away with Agree using voices in a way But with skyrim and fallout when it's trying to be much more serious Um, it doesn't seem like it it could work I I do think it's noticeable in simpsons when they have a guest star voice because they are so starkly different from the simpsons Wild voices like you know side show bob his voice is like No, there was so many oh side show bob like it's too good. You awful man stay away for my son Oh, I'll stay away marge. Stay away forever. Oh, no Wait, that's not right I've got it say stay away from my son. No What's the thing about the simpsons so many of the jokes you don't even like they're just fucking funny How else do you explain it? Right? It's just lots of weird play that just people making mistakes that are very much character driven or Playing on tropes. There's loads of shit. They did And the references are so on point because again that reference was that was kate fear like that was That was just parody of kate fear when I was watching it with rags. I think like three different types I was like, oh, that was a reference to thing by the way if you haven't seen it Oh, that was a reference to the you know, like um when lisa Is trying to give chief wing of the clues. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I you told me that but I've never seen twin peaks. So I didn't know because they do the thing It was just weird Yeah, because the the the joke is of course, I think the way that they do it is the uh, you see like a word You hear it and you try and pronounce it backwards and then they flip it in post so it makes it sound really like creepy um So she's speaking words all the way like that and I think she says, um Um Suit burns look better I think she says something that the the mysterious sort of element of it like in twin peaks to figure out Is she's talking about inspecting burns a suit? I like chief of them just doesn't get it. He's like, I don't understand. She's like just burns a suit And she's holding like a card that's the suit is burning burns suit and he's just like, huh? She just look at burns a suit because oh Huh I I actually I think the joke that came right after that was actually funnier Where the other cop comes up to him and he asked him It did he did he have did you also have the super weird dream with a burning card magic trick? And he's like, I'm driving And that made me really that was just really funny to me It's just I it's just well paced and comedy is you know a big part of its timing And it's very It just it works really well It's like it rolls off the tongue Which one really does doesn't it? Oh, Hank Scorpio episode of season eight shit Oh, Hank Scorpio. So it's just crazy that he's so likeable when he's He's so nice to Homer Uh, I think that's kind of interesting though, isn't it almost sort of tells you something about how How our priorities can be that you've got this dude throwing like grenades and a bunch of people trying to get him For his doomsday device, but he's talking to Homer and like, oh, you know, like stick around We'll go bowling and then the guy runs around in the background on the fire. Yeah That's the he's really hard to dislike Yeah, he's such a nice guy except when he's talking to the The Monorail plan. Yeah, you guys go stop rafting. We'll never stop. All right moving on. So hello everyone. Welcome EFAP 136 I think that's what it says I think so three that might be true being the key detail in that because there's three of us and I've called it the EFAP triple threat versus quad damage because I'm can't come up with anything smarter than that We're going to be covering potentially four videos Quadru-roll videos. Yeah, that's not I yeah Hey, right come on something better on the spot now we'll change it For the title of the um the stream that we're doing go for a better title You know, I open this to chat too because I I couldn't think of anything I think the EFAP triple threat part is okay, but the quad damage part is just kind of like, huh? Yeah triple threats. Okay, but I guess threat sort of implies Because it's for our audience and I don't know if our audience would consider us threats But we're against the thing like I'm not threatening. I'm very threat to the thing It's in the title right versus Not a threat to the audience. They'll be fine I feel like it's still kind of like in general like a threat like I don't want people to see me as a threat I want people to see me as um You know, what's a good example like um Do you want it to call the EFAP three-way someone just suggested? No, I feel like a three-way wouldn't it doesn't convey the You know, I guess the no, I reckon No, yeah, I don't think so because a three-way implies that the three people are in a contained semi organized kind of thing amongst themselves will say and We are on one team Going against another team Like if there were two different threesome's that were being ranked and scored based on a wide variety of different attributes and Move sets and executions and things of that nature sure, but I don't know. I just I don't know about trip. I don't know about threesome I like triple threat more because threat you you could say, you know, it's a threat to them You brought up which I think makes more sense than a threesome Um But I don't know I'd have to give it um give it some thought You think on that and I I will literally just just alter it during the stream because we have the technology and uh It's all in caps too. Oh, yeah. It's a it's a bold title. It's like yelling at me. Yeah Yeah I mean if you don't want about the damage because that's I think people are getting confused by that like What is the quad damage referring to? Well, it's for people dealing damage to our brains. How about that? Uh, okay. I see Yeah If we had a something we could do with the Well, the show we're talking about is going to be the Falcon and the Winter Soldier which already I'm really starting to hate that name Because so long and clunky to fat was yeah, it doesn't it's it's very clunky and long and it doesn't have a fun acronym Uh, it's Fat was that that isn't a fun acronym. That was that was yeah, it would be To fat was because yeah, I don't want to declare fat was here on this show I don't know if I have the ability to do that to fat was um I've yeah, because even with like the last Jedi tlj. Okay. That's nice and easy three syllables tlj nice and simple Uh, there is a skywalker tross One syllable little makes a little word there, right? Um, but the Falcon and the Winter Soldier I hate it Because especially when you have to type it out It's bad enough. I'm saying it like low key where it's just low key. It's really easy Yeah, and you know wonder vision. I think that works Which is funny because people thought it was a shit name at first. Um, But then it all kind of yeah, they're like that's stupid On the level of like it's Wanda's vision as well, you know as in like Yeah, I think it works on several levels. It's a shame that the show doesn't Yeah, yeah So anyway What we're opening up with today for some funsies is there was a thread talking about how we're the worst people ever as per use you all um Part of it really amused me, right? So they were talking about how um How like almost pathetic it is that we watched Uh taxi driver king of comedy and falling down before doing like a take on how they relate to joker And The other walkie-n-fenix one. Oh, yes You would have a really really here. Yeah, I think I think that's it. I always feel like I'm gonna get the name wrong Um, I I want to confuse it with I'm thinking of ending things Nobody would want to be confused with that movie. Uh, they don't feel like names They just feel like statements that might slip out in any random conversations. It's very autistic though, isn't it? Probably what they're going for is like, you never really hear So thinking of any things they were they were trying to point out How terrible it is that we watched them before doing that and I was really confused I was like, isn't that like Isn't that a thing that we should do if we want to talk like compare them? Should we refresh our Really weird. I've never been called out for watching the things before I talk about them, right? And of course So there was just a thread and there was a really unvoted comment saying like, oh my god This sort of loses they watched those movies beforehand and someone responded with this Which I happened to think was relatively reasonable Because I'm like who the fuck has a problem with that if you want to give that a read Yeah, let's see here. Um comment What they watched it to see if there was a one-to-one comparison between Them and joker because every film snob who hated on joker claimed It was an inferior version of taxi driver slash king of comedy slash falling down Of course, they had an obligation to otherwise Oh, of course, they had an obligation to otherwise you'd claim What an interesting sentence of course They had an obligation to Otherwise you'd claim they didn't watch those movies to see the comparison. See this is where I like commas. Yes commas are great um You've essentially made it so mollering crew can't win in your eyes. So which is true Yeah, if we hadn't watched them, they'd be like they didn't even watch them beforehand. How can they really comment on this? And by the way, if the implication was like, I've never it's like embarrassing You've never seen these before so I had seen taxi driver I comment if I had seen king of comedy before and I definitely watched falling down when I was super young um But that's irrelevant Like I had not seen any of them before we'd watch them for the joker video That was the first time I'd seen them which I honestly think is a major benefit to have someone who hasn't been influenced By not only having seen them when they were much younger Or as they were getting older but being surrounded by people saying they're amazing You instead watch them in an isolated sort of uh environment. You just like this is what I thought I saw You know that sort of thing very useful. Um So you think like well, what can be the response to this right? What could they possibly say? um I was I was impressed with the response. Let's just put it that way All right. Here we go. The response to that is That's right. They can't because they fucking suck Well, that's perfectly reasonable This is like, all right. Well, well, they can't If someone's bad if if you have a dichotomous proposition like will efap watch the material or will they not watch the material And it's bad either way You might not be a reasonable person. Maybe Now That's it for reddit because we all know reddit sucks. Uh, but you know what else sucks. I might even suck more With a classic twitter. Definitely wonderful social media space. I think twitter does suck more Yes, you know, there's always a tough competition between the lot. Uh, I don't know if you knew this already I'm pretty sure freaky does but someone found the genny nickel some stream again And posted about it basically just the the two images next to each other and just like you know Like oof and then all the comments came in wonderful Wonderful comment. I can't believe that they did that thing that whatever the thing is that they did. I can't believe they did it those Oh Here we go. Uh, this guy says, um His name is no lives matter till black lives too. Hi Uh, so they spent almost half an excessively long podcast on her because a woman Had an opinion on a movie they didn't like sound totally normal to me I guess we're all i emoji a woman A woman, which is always a woman. Oh, I gave this person the benefit of the doubt. I shouldn't have to read your name, but Always super interesting to hear that one because we cover 98 male. I think if not 99 It might be even more Yeah, because we're over Because we've only covered women twice, right? Uh, three I believe we covered jenny twice and sarah z once I think that is it well Yeah, in sarah z was probably the video that to this day remains the most unscathed Yeah, not counting like a tonal or like when we showed, um A hoi a video that we go in like very much prepared to check out the arguments and address them It's like that one came out probably one of the most positively out of all the ones we've covered So we're at 136 right? Yes, we're gonna assume that we do Let's say we do just two videos today because we never get to as many as we hope we do Uh, because these videos we cover are very bad And minimums to make them so 136. Uh, so what percentage? How would you find the I think we have We cover an average of two videos probably per episode, right? You could say that 50 times, um We've we've we've had ones we've covered like So that'd be 266 men or 266 videos by men. I mean, we've definitely covered one per video I would assume there's a couple of ones where we have really long videos. I guess that we cover a half and half true Um Well, so that means that in two percent of podcasts we even cover a woman Right, so in just two percent of podcasts. We've covered a woman Which however if you think about videos if we do 136 times two So let's say we've covered two hundred and seventy two videos um And we've covered three by women. I'm not gonna count zero zero z actually because That well, let's go ahead and do it. Let's say three that'd be three divided by 272, right? So one percent Well, it would obviously it wouldn't really matter anyway, but I find it amusing because it's like That does seem kind of sexist actually if you think about it But it's actually explained by the fact that the majority of video assay stuff is done by males rather than female on the internet So yeah, 99 of videos covered are um Men But you know what? It's not enough 99 male coverage is not enough because twitter is full of very Reasonable people who don't just talk when they have something to say regardless of I guess I just feel like it's Freudian almost It's like that didn't like it because a woman had an opinion on a movie It's like oh that wasn't like super relevant. So that that isn't relevant to me Uh speaking of women are just as capable as man at being fucking retarded. So we don't really mind at all We're very equal opportunity Critics give a go at this one, right? This is a all right The Joker movie was good In the straight white boys didn't understand the message of the movie at all, but that's not the movie's fault Well, it's interesting too because she hypothesized uh jenna jenny jebby Hypothesized that perhaps the theme of the film was that you shouldn't take your medication She's very good at her job um This guy said it was a refreshing take on comic book movies But I kind of understand some criticisms of it, but making an 11 hour video is petty as shit Uh I don't think this person is friends. Uh, I know the whole video isn't about that But you must have spent a good chunk of time responding to the girl So again like first off the random capitalization of time Interesting strange it is because you couldn't accidentally have done that you have to specifically type in Shift time with something else, right when you're writing a sentence and you feel like you're about to This word's important because this is the the qualifier in a way You're like this one should be capitalized and your brain's like no it doesn't that's not how it works though And then we have responding to the girl Again with the specifications. Do they ever say to the to the man or the man and this is one of the things I Oh, yeah, they called you straight. They fucked they called the straight white boys Which only applies to one of the three of us So statistically that's worse than guessing But that's okay Also, I'd be curious if this person ever told us what the message of the movie is Because I don't think it's a print. It's not a difficult movie to understand Right. I don't think it's intended to be We watched a lot of people try to understand it If you're jenna jenny nickelson or movie bob or the young tix, it might yeah, if Yeah, you'd extract the opposite if this is their, you know job But you know Yeah Very uh 11 hours is petty. I didn't know that I didn't know either because I remember having a really good time and enjoying myself Talking with my friend those we've shown comments before but there's people who are like I checked it out because I was like Basically blowed away but like the idea of 11 hours of in cells ranting about women and I was like, oh, it's actually just a chill Fun time. It's like, yeah, let's yeah, how about that if we didn't enjoy this We probably wouldn't be doing it. I guess what I find interesting is that it's like, oh One one day a week they do a long show Meanwhile, it's not uncommon for people who stream to regularly stream for like six hours a day Several days in the week, but that's fine They also well, it's okay to go to your fucking miserable ass job that you hate for eight hours a day 40 hours a week But hanging out with your friends and enjoying yourself for 11 hours. That's insane. I can't I don't hang out with my friends Have fun for 11 hours And I'm sorry if you can't if you can't maybe you're just boring or your friends are boring I don't know you should have put more points into charisma And these are the same people that will also like celebrate onto it have been like, oh my god I watched like two seasons of community today like, uh Just all in a row and it's like, yeah, and you're like, hmm Oh, you like by yourself. Yep So uh, this one, uh, I just tweeted out as like this is just the whole thing in a nutshell I quite love this interaction. Oh boy. Here we go Uh, let's see, um listening to What is well, okay. I guess quads on my is there is there a functional difference between a parasol and an umbrella? Uh functional. I mean parasols are usually much bigger, right? I don't I don't know actually, um Uh, let me let me actually look at it. Well because their name is a is a is an umbrella that's being rained on And I didn't know if I wanted to mention it and then I was like, is that an umbrella or a parasol? I don't know Parasols are like for beaches and stuff and you stick them in like the the more sun protection than rain protection Uh, let me see, uh, generally an umbrella has a curved handle to allow for easy grip and storage A parasol, however in latin para for shelter or shield in sole for sun Is typically constructed from more delicate fabrics such as lace cotton silk linen canvas and plastic Which is odd because well, no, what's What a strange thing to say because that doesn't really tell me anything at all about the difference One is about one is about the shape and construction Well, what is about the shape like a curved handle easy grip and storage and the other is It's typically made out of lace cotton silk linen canvas presumably And so like I that doesn't help me at all Well, I think that I think they're telling you that to imply like so the parasol's goal isn't to block out the sun But to reduce its effect on you as it comes in while the umbrella is meant to protect you fully from water So like it's stronger materials. I think I think this is the difference. I I'm not an expert on umbrellas and parasols It says that a a straight shaft and handle are standard characteristics of parasol formation Let me look up. So does it seem to be does it seem to be just the the handle? Well, the difference between the two which is I mean, I mean correct me if I'm wrong But I've always known parasols are much larger and you don't like hold them You put them into something like put them in stands and stuff Like if that hole in the middle of the table outside. Oh here. I found I found a picture. I think you're right Um, let me let me show this. Here we go. This is handy. Uh, let's let's read that's so It looks like a parasol is A power so I handle That's the big thing. Yeah, so it does seem to be One is for mobility and the other is like it's not as portable. It's not it's not it's not portable It's the vote. Yeah, it's like you said you stick it in things like stands or over tables Yeah What's really strange is that look at the last one in design umbrellas are modern and innovative um Whereas parasols are classic and standard. I was on board with this until that last one Yeah, I don't I don't see what that seems almost a bit, you know, you're letting your opinions slip in there I I fully disagree try conville.com. My I I was on board with this. I can no longer recommend this. I said it was very helpful No longer display that bottom portion to protect the integrity. This is 80 helpful The last is that's what's confusing And it doesn't help that they led me to that conclusion because look at the pictures of a parasol in the umbrella The umbrella is red on top black and white stripes on the bottom. That's bold right and it's it's Like everyone else will see the red but you get to enjoy the black and white. Oh my god, so it's kind of You got thick fabric little bit exclusive sunbrella. Does anyone ever call it a sunbrella? I like this. Well, that's the fabric Right, what is called sunbrella? Let me look up sunbrella so Sunbrella leader in performance fabric My god. Oh, I think sunbrella is a brand. Oh, okay, that makes more sense Oh, so they're giving us examples of brands sunbrella And sunproof, which I guess could probably probably the name of a company But yeah, I guess sun. Yeah, like those are brand. Do they give brands for opongi and nylon? That's fair enough I assume Pongi is a company. I don't as do I Anyway, uh, so anyway, uh, so uh umbrella says because now I know it's an umbrella because you could tell Because it has the the curved top. It's the rain on there, too Yeah, it's also a stylish and innovative Um, uh, they say listening to Should be an 11-hour podcast is probably the lowest of the low You're hitting it first everyone lowest of the low I mean in the gloom here. Thank you for not having a picture. I I don't know if I could take another exploration session Uh, he says I mean I'll listen while it works So like four hours one day for the next day and so on until it's done And then they say that's reasonable enough Yeah, so Yeah, that was a nice little that was like a little mini simpsons episode. Yeah, I'm not sure Full story. Yeah, the lowest below that was a quick turnaround like the end of an umbrella handle Yeah, they they kind of just they sort of they under they sawed the argument. They were like I'll accept it Yeah, that was a good argument. I have been enlightened. I guess that's good, right? That's probably better than I were getting super defensive But it's simultaneously a little bit disheartening that people out there can't figure this out for themselves They're like, why would you ever watch a longer podcast? What scenario are you able to listen to things to things through an extended amount of time? Someone goes, oh while at work and they go, whoa And to and from work and so you wonder like are they aware of work and stuff like that Do they know about it? I don't know Slounging around because generally when I listen to stuff I very rarely will sit down and Fully give my attention to a youtube video. I will be multitasking I'll be listening and it'll be up on my side monitor and I'll peer over once in a while Um, what do you miss people do shame? Yeah Um glad they came around though and now What do you may call the coup de gras for these twitter people? The the calphe grace the intellect intellectual piece peak words of Intelligence all right here we go you ready here we go Jack says I will never Watch 12 hours of shit Just to see if three morons Actually talk about a very specific kind of shit I don't care if I make false assumptions It's 12 fucking hours Man, just bold face saying I don't care if I'm potentially very wrong That is a weird one like that's a way to go through life and you know what? I mean, they're usually pretty stupid, but this one. I was like, oh You just straight up said like I'm going to belittle you because because of time Fuck you yeah fascinating And so when people are like, oh my god, you don't want to criticize molly Let's get a bunch of people saying long man bad. I'm like, but you're all saying long man bad like what? I'll never understand this logic That's why we say it. You're why we say it if no one ever made those Statements anymore. We wouldn't we wouldn't ever say it You know, it's funny because it's true. That is the only argument. It's long. That's bad Like oh, she how you spend your time should conform to my standards Which is funny considering that Like one of the main things it gets talked about now lately It's just the idea that like the things that you assume are standard. It's worth considering that yes, um As well as these often come from the people who are like, you know, every position is valid every approach is valid And you shouldn't be trying to discriminate and then simultaneously except for that one Yeah, except for the one that upset me. You're like, wow, you've just reset back to fucking square. What good job Not all content is appropriate for you Oh, well, uh, that that's actually gonna come up in more ways than one. Um, oh my god So that'll be interesting a little pin in that one before we get started with today's Blooms, I want to because I was I was looking at the comments on the uh, the stream we did last night And so I want to show the efab people just one of the highlights. Okay, just one of the things Because they were quite amusing. You guys remember what game we played, right? No, okay, wait, wait, what? Neither of you listening You didn't understand what I meant when I said we streamed a game last night. I I do I don't know what you said before but it must have been different. Okay. Okay. Well, I was gonna I'm gonna throw up just just one highlight. All right. And then uh, it'll be on them to go and find this stream and watch it for themselves Okay, because we we all fully recommend it. Uh, I think So one two one four four. Here we are Now context for those in chat who have no idea what I'm about to show you The idea is it works like telephone. It's called gothic phone This game is amazing. It is kind of amazing. Yep The way it works is everybody has to create a prompt that starts a story and then the That story is like shifted around probably clockwise. It doesn't really matter And so now I have to draw the picture that represents the story that like maybe fringy just wrote And then it gets swapped again and rags has to draw well write down a sentence that represents the drawing I just made and by the end it creates a little story and so I think uh, this is just one of my favorites from the night So I'll show you an example as you can see on the screen here. This is where you're gonna be seeing The stuff happening Our young prostitute tries meth for the first time Brainy burned the tape on again Meme repository is probably trying to say is brainy the neighbor the prostitute. Is that the idea there? Maybe he meant britney britney. Maybe yeah And so I don't know how to get to an a to a y from i and it He wanted to say she burned the tampon again, but he spelled it so flimpy that it came out burn the tape on again So fringy just so it's fringy will only see The sentence brainy burned the tape on again. That's all he gets It's about how the image changes over time based on people's descriptions of it. So So, yeah, I thought again was a pink box. And so now let's see how it progresses Yeah The progress of that is phenomenal These if you guys haven't seen that this is what you're missing when you don't watch efab gaming's right This game is so much you will definitely have us playing this again. This is yeah, we played champed up a lot This is better. This is way better. It's back It's like if If it were possible to be way better It would have to be that it improves like loads of the mechanics, which it does the game is like just it's faster Like it's more efficient at getting to lofts and there's loads of modes and it's all customizable Like holy shit. You just improve completely And you said that game's free, right? It is free. Yes, that's a browser game I would totally pay for the amount of lofts we got This is really great. I'm I'm very much looking forwards to playing this again Um, I guess I'll show one more example from the other kind of game that happened Some which was also good. I don't know if I like it better. Maybe just a little bit less, but it's still good Yeah, yeah, there's loads of really fine things that come out of it like different kinds of jokes In terms of how things work so for chat, right the way this one works Is that um someone draws an image and the next person sees it and has to replicate it Based on they you can take as much time as you want to look at it But as soon as you choose to stop looking at it you have to go from memory and so It gets tougher and tougher to maintain especially with the clock running out Like it gets faster and faster. So this is just an example of how it deteriorates I tried to start off super easy. So hopefully this one made it to the end I think this one has to survive I draw something like this pretty late in the game. I feel like I'm around with the time All right Oh It became Satan Watching this again makes me smile. Well, yeah, we're probably gonna want to try and set up to play this again Like sudo rather than latex. It's just you know, I'm curious Absolutely, if this one will even run out of steam, especially with with trading out like those different people to play it the Oh, it was a fun one. Yeah Because as some people are better than others. We'll say it. Wow We won't be specific. I don't know how we're doing it. Yeah, but the people like Me more positive is really bad at this game It's hilarious though Yeah, you'll often just it'll just completely deviate everything. It's like oh, it was going one way But now it's going this way But part of why that's so entertaining is to see people interpret his images and then how they move on. Yes. Yeah He is the he is the the speed bump on the way to progress. Yeah They stand very interesting Yeah, and I recommend if you have if you have friends check it out with them gothic phone Yeah So this wouldn't work for all the people on twitter that we've been showing No, no one and of course, uh, the link is at the top of this video now I just I just saved it. So it'll be on moolah eventually like all the uh EFAP gaming's are rolling out there Eventually and so that that's about that for the intro because we kind of need to jump right in Um, we have four Falcon winter soldier takes we'll probably get through like two and then we'll be like, oh, no, we've hit 13 hours damn Oh, god, we will try as you can see there are three of us that is Designed to help. I'm rags the speed in which we can approach this because we'll have like there's four people's perspectives that we no longer have to spend time Listening to and bouncing off obviously so we can go faster. That is the logic here four videos This isn't because I never want to cover falcon and the winter soldier again. That's not it I don't have a replacement reason. So yeah Well, because I I would I would love to not have to think about that show again Uh, not until that show made us angry. Yeah, we're clear. Yeah Like oh, yeah, oh that show was so funny with how about it. No the show upset us Yeah, because one division because we're manchurian this was frustrating And you know what not nice to have frustration after we've just had such a fun gaming stream, you know, that's just not nice Yeah, that's right. Life is filled with highs and lows. I guess My face is still sore and that doesn't happen often. Hmm My back I think It flared up the pain in my back because I was laughing so much It was like My I think my lungs all my throat. I was just like so like muscle was just like being stressed My throat and my cheeks my cheeks get very sore when I laugh too much because like, you know, you You because how your face works? Well, my face will it works. I guess it coincidentally works the same as you guys So like it's totally forever We have of the four Um, I guess we'll reveal them as we go But first it's a person Who has been covered once before and the video was like, okay It was like a 50 50 if I remember correctly and it's someone who um, It's welcome to come on if ever they want to But I had a lot of people requesting us cover this video seven minutes long. It's by cheffrellis productions Uh, he he has a take on this show Uh, let's check it out. See what happens. See how it goes funding for cheffrellis is provided by square space The spot today's video from websites and online stores to marketing tools and analytics Squarespace is the all-in-one platform to build a beautiful. That is a very low res Yeah, I was about to say is that me? Or is that watched together? It is is it the video? No, it's gotta be no the videos are way clear. This is him. Sometimes my watch together is a bit blurry, but I No, it's it's in the video. It's 1080p, but the image is like not How lazy are you fucking hell they're paying you money and you can't even have the logo be not blurry I thought they provide detail materials like that. I thought I did provide art for people They did for me when I did one uh promotion Not for them, but you know, maybe he only does 4jp videos. You don't know Yeah It'll render quicker. I know that Yeah, definitely, you'll save like you say like two whole seconds in the render. Yes Beautiful online presence and run your business. Hey, oh It's I guess it's doubly ironic because he's talking about how squarespace will give you a beautiful online presence And he's using a blurry ass jpeg I don't know. That's maybe it could have been better if you could turn this into this and he gets like 4k image You're like, oh, oh, yeah, love it Hmm the review captain falcon show I still can't believe they name dropped captain falcon in the finale like hot damn good thing Nintendo doesn't ever use him or mark again with these low quality. Oh, we get so sued. So anyway, I thought the show was Ooh, I don't even get the reference. Oh, no Look at that squeeze Squeezed it in wait. Did he Did he un-wide screen it did he stretch it up and down? Ew Because I don't touch movies when I No, I don't touch them They were made that wild purpose like like zack sniders justice league Don't so so this is the thing I don't even know if we've really talked about it But like aspect ratio Is a thing and there's a couple of choices you can make when you're creating your videos For example, if you're dealing with let's say you're cutting up zack sniders justice league Justice league as well as a tv show that maybe is full screen So you're dealing with three different aspect ratios You can make the choice to essentially falsify the others to be four by three But then you have to be very careful, which is not what high top and brown table did with um Approaching the videos in terms of like how you cut Uh, the things that weren't four by three, right? For example, if you're gonna cut this by four by three you probably start Around just to the left of falcon and you end on Cutting out the other side that you try and capture the what is Hopefully the part of the screen, but at the same time Now this is something that high top and brown table should respect more than even we would Uh, there's a reason they shot it like this. They want all this in the frame preservation of the The source material, you know, yeah, which by the way, it's fine. I know we hate him. It's fine But uh, joss ween has said the buffy and Well, buffy not angel but buffy should only be watched in four by three because that's how it was like they filmed it With the intention of only what it was in the four by three to be seen not the stuff on the sides Great lots of problems when you add it back in um But yeah, you know They know right like I think when they're filming they have little like they can have like a little square on the screen They have so that they know what is going to be in it. What is going to be out all that stuff So when you're making this decision, you're like gosh, and I know that phil mento said this is like Can my fans handle the four by three? Like I don't know which is very I don't know what to say for that. I just like wow all you have to say is I'm gonna I'm going to show this in four by three because that's what the original death that was or I'm going to Show it in this aspect ratio and it takes two seconds to say that and boom. It's covered. Yeah for me. Um All by three is just like well, it's different enough that I'm not going to attempt to try and change it like zooming in I will consider it when Putting like clips from you know like when aquaman points if I want that in future videos I might zoom in to him to make it match like widescreen or full screen Yeah, because it's just him pointing that you care about in that image And I think if you don't know what the snider cut is and you see jason momoa pointing like that in a square You're like, why did you make that a square and it's like it's well Okay, well So there's an immersion factor. It's kind of where I'm going with this If you wanted to make everything full screen you could have zoomed in Right, that's probably where I would have gone first not stretching it What I find strange is that he's already had uh like four by three images. So why does he Why does he want to stretch this? I don't think this is for copyright. I don't think it'll make a difference Yeah, I don't think this is happening. Yeah, so yeah, I guess in conclusion I would probably uh say that maintaining the native aspect ratio of everything is totally fine I wouldn't blame anybody for making that choice if you want to try and fiddle with it to make it match better For example, all of his full screen except a few clips. They're in um Is it letterbox when they have the bars above and below? So as shorthand I can't quite remember, but I think so if you decided to zoom in on that To make it look full screen when it's not which I've done before Um, I think it can honestly help in terms of that one guy out there who watches thing goes Oh, there's some black bars now. They're gone. That seems a little incongruent even though it would be native That presumably I think that's totally fine as a choice to make But man, don't stretch it so that people start looking really weird The sort of the locations is distracting. I just don't I'm not quite sure why do that's all I have a feeling we might be getting this for the whole video now if this one is already like this Look just just acclimate. Well, nothing's been right so far. It's all been Not bad. I'm a grand over 25 seconds in but it's not gonna say right or I mean, I'm mostly I'm mostly forgiving and stuff like this if the script is all right Yeah, it's just weird to see for you. This video it looks dirty It really like if you told me this was a 4 ATP video, I don't believe you Maybe told me this video was from 2004. I would have believed you Was youtube started 2015 before was it 2005 Wow, oh man that even that makes you point even accents my joke further. Yes, it does Marvel would get so sued. So anyway, I thought the show was pretty good with a few fatal flaws that keep it back from being pretty great Before this show, I always found Bucky to be one of the most boring MCU characters. Oh, wow Wow, what an in what a what an interesting opinion Well What can you do when someone says something is boring? We'll wait for him, of course to make his qualifications But beforehand I would argue he's possibly one of the most interesting in terms of a normal man Signs up to fight in world war one is almost killed and saved by his best friend who then joins a like What are they just like off the books sort of the howling commanders or they are they um They're just a really special. I don't know. They're like some special forces. Yeah, special forces. Yeah So he joins that and during one of the missions against a Sect of the nazis that specialized in like sci-fi technology is thrown from a train And before death is experimented on by the nazis who found him to be given a mechanical arm because he lost it in the accident And experimented on to the point of having super soldier Abilities and then his mind is wiped and brainwashed into becoming a soldier for like oh, I feel like already We've gone way into how interesting he is. I'm just like, oh, I don't even finish the story yet We've like a third in Yeah, I think I'll sorry we'll we'll do yeah a little dynamic So um, yeah, there's no need to keep going. I just I just uh I know several people who are like very invested in the show because of bucky They were like I can't wait to finally have a something that focuses on bucky instead of him being like a secondary character immense amounts of potentials that you can have with this character There's a lot of stuff you could go with him. He could become Fully heroic. He could become tragic. It's all kinds of things you could do He's uh, a very open-ended with how you want to resolve him. I basically did nothing Well, yeah, and it's such a shame show hurt him Because the first thing you see is like he's reliving a winter soldier's assassination Then he wakes up at night with ptsd having you know haunting him. You're like, this is a fantastic start Good. This is we're good. We're good. And then that's about it The rest of it's like really overt or really thin or he is ignored It's like and it almost seems to me It's just like they got the one bit that I think everybody would have gotten right right. So that's All right You did that um boy So yeah, um Let's see why why he thinks that it's like yeah He's suffering and all that but they never really took the time to explore his suffering. He's suffering all that. Yeah They did take the time to explore it but they never explored it. Wouldn't that what be this this show would be? Like we've called it. I mean, he's he is the titular winter soldier Suffering but they would explore it. That's amazing Or something I mean, I would even go as far as in civil war Um and winter soldier have lots of pieces that you get to uh, yep appreciate Absolutely Like the idea that we haven't gone into it with more depth, so I should be like I being I'm the one who doesn't like this show and presumably he thinks it's good. If not great This was the show to do it, right? Wouldn't you feel that way? Look finally the show that can flesh him out Strange but all right, but they never really took the time to explore his suffering They just thrust him into action where he doesn't have any personality and we only care about him Why would he have personality in his missions? Wow also? He does have personality He does yes, uh, we've got so much He just said we only care about him because steve does he doesn't have any personality. This is oh, this is intensely wrong. I care a lot about him Oh, we're gonna be so Yeah, we're to begin uh, so I think I think there's an implication what he said that like He just gets thrown in because they need action But like that's not That's not what's happening like it's he's critical to the plot of both films. Yeah It's also he's a Well, it makes sense to have him in action sequences. Yeah, of course if you want action sequences It makes sense to use characters Who would be in action sequences? Yeah Match for Lou now from my limited man The first thing he's like Bucky and then he's like who's bucky As a sort of like oh shit, so he's not just a soulless assassin. He actually even is like curious He's got elements to him. Um, I can't remember correctly But you know when uh, robert redford shoots the the maid does he seem a little bit unsettled by that at all? I can't remember. Who is he just like that's chill. I don't think so because he's obviously Is he in the shot? Um, yes, I I think he is Well, uh going off memory of that particular. I remember the scene. I can't recall What i'm highlighting is like really small things and then we crank it up to like mediums where um Specifically this is like the big payoff in winter soldier where cap is like i'm gonna let you kill me That's how much I believe in you and obviously it gets through to him right when You might think all is lost Yeah saves him Yeah, because because of course that's proof as cap living is a full principle there He's willing to die for it. Um, and then civil war We get lots of lines from bucky that give you a strong insight to how he's feeling about everything One of the ones I think that would be all of our favorites or at least one of the many is uh When he says I remember all of them a very strong indication of the existence he has And then of course talking to steve about whether or not he believes he's even worth this And then if you know bucky from first avenger Plus they're like bantering about the lives they had in the past You've got a very very normal friendly person who's trapped underneath all of this the horror of his years When we want him back He's got to deal with all the repercussions of having lived that life like I I don't get it. Um, what's funny. I think it's really interesting Is that like I know several people who's Would like the most excited they were about characters in the mcu buck. He was like at the top Understandably, sorry because he's gonna know what he'll do. Yeah And they blow it. I mean he's he's surface level cool As well people want to see more of him doing cool stuff And underneath that you're like, oh as well as he's got this interesting character that they can do a bunch of stuff with Especially with how he ties into the mcu and the other characters. He's not just out there on his own Oh, someone said uh, he says I'm with you till the end of the line. It's like don't remind me because Cap was clearly not with him till the end of the line Unfortunately, no, that's right. He abandoned him Um, but yeah, of course, this is just considering Everything up to I mean, you know winter soldier wasn't ruined by endgame Cap was damaged, of course, uh Winter soldier was ruined by lots of portions of this very show But apparently it wasn't that interesting to begin with which honestly, I I don't even know that I've heard that take before The new one I haven't And falcon was okay. He was pretty cool and winter soldier, but I stopped caring about him pretty quickly after that Well, what are you all this? Guys, this is like this is what they call concise is like, oh, okay. All right. I guess so then like Uh, moving on don't make me care about these guys Probably because there's plenty of time to flesh them out and see them living life Copying with their insecurities and struggles and baggage and insert that one line from shrek that james uses in all his videos here so I mean like the idea of those things happening Is it exists? Yeah, I can see why someone would have said that's what they saw But it's not really what was it. But that's not what happened But you knew enough to know that that's what they were trying to do but you just accepted that it was pulled off But it wasn't not really so like I'm getting like hardcore cosmonaut vibes from this This video like in terms of just the argumentation style of just sort of throwing out thoughts without saying anything about why you think it And people just accepting it That's kind of like the vibe. I'm getting from this Well, yeah, it's not very persuasive so far. It's just sort of no This reminds me of like conversations I've had with people about media where they just say something like Oh, yeah, I kind of stopped caring about it. And then it's just like what the what the fuck are you saying? Like what like what is this? I just stopped caring about it. That's just my opinion Well, yeah, these are just like that's how you would respond. He would say uh He would say I'm just I'm just sharing my thoughts. So I'm sharing my thoughts Because what I do? These are his thoughts me sharing them Let's see if they get better. I got really into both of them for the first time But it's falcon who really steals the show here. True. He like destroys everything. He was the most boring I mean he was uninteresting. His character was destroyed. He was insanely frustrating That's and they focused on him way more than bucky That's kind of why I would say like maybe you're right. He kind of did steal the show He kind of uh took all of my attention in terms of just like I couldn't believe how horrible he'd become um He kind of because he overshadows bucky a lot of the time where I try to remind myself like no bucky was a complete piece of shit in this too And I'm like you have a falcon with so much worse like if you consider everything it's like, yeah Yeah, it's it's weird because um, I actually there was a post in the subreddit that was like Oh, this is kind of relevant to the whole um falcon with a soldier discussion. It was a video It goes over Kitchen nightmares like reality shows big brother Brings god talent all those like sort of ones And he basically like categorizes how they use music to manipulate you which is not. Oh, yeah for anybody here Well kitchen nightmares. It's really well. It's on the uh on the american version Yeah, well, so there's the two versions. Yeah. Yeah, the british one's a lot better in terms of Yeah, he compares the british one and the american one as a big part of the video Which is obviously one of the I think most people already aware of this, but we'll go over it anyway So in the british one the example he has is um going around. He's like walking into the the restaurant and um There's like a sort of standard beat just just background music where he's walking in And it just slowly fades out as he introduces himself to the woman and talks to her And then she finally starts admitting that it's doing terrible and that they could very well have to close And then it cuts to like a wide and he's like this is the unfortunate reality for a lot of restaurants in britain And it's silent, right? He's just talking also Before you go further, um, notice, I don't know if it'll be get brought up. I haven't seen this video But gordon ramsey is the narrator for the british version in the american version They have their own narrator narrating in third person what gordon ramsey's doing Hmm They didn't bring that up and I I couldn't even remember that myself, but yeah So the american one he talks about how they um They would have started with like that probably would have been their template and then they were like Well, when you have moments that are like really shocking in the episodes that have almost been edited to to be payoffs at particular points Musical cues come in with them And then they they keep doing it and they're so they're getting Chunked up everywhere to the point where they start to have scenes that don't have music in them And they're like, oh, we better put music in them to make sure because otherwise It's going to come across as strange now that there's even a portion without it And this is what the scene they show Where like it bounces in a matter of about 10 seconds to four different like musical crescendos to represent completely different emotional states like a dramatic horrible tension to super uplifting to sacrificial to comedic and you're just like Whoa, this is like whiplash The music and the sound effects they have the horror music the strings they have the Mm-hmm kind of Yeah, and they have like a very intense orchestral sort of music as well kind of Works like lots of violins and like really quick And and they use it in like house kitchen and stuff as well Um, but if it was more out of place in kitchen nightmares, I feel like it was really Another sad. Yeah. Uh, there's another really cool example where he said there was a the britain scar talent one There was this guy coming on stage and his whole thing was a dog That you show what you've written on a card to But not the guy and then you'll talk to the dog and the dog will tell him what you've written on it. That's the trick And uh sad music is already playing and some of the people there are like sad and He was like this is so confusing because this isn't sad at all like what's what's happening And then once the trick's over he explains the history of the dog and it involves how the dog Jumped in front of someone going to stab him because he's a police officer and it actually took the stab for him Which is like insane And like everybody's welling up while watching this video explain what the dog did and it's just like yeah The music and the editing will try to prepare you for this because it doesn't quite come in natural Well, you know as naturally as it can but at the same time like it's almost like a fuck-up There's like well I gotta get you sad because this is about to get very sad like the music is directing you because it can't have You think for yourself another comparison he does is um, I think it's like a david attenborough narrated nature show where he describes a crocodile What it is and what it does and it's just moving through and I don't think there's a soundtrack and then he compares it to another Like shittier nature program where they have this like monster music and it's just like this horrifying Creature is going to hunt down And um, he's like imagine they did this for when like a pigeon eats a whip And he just does creates that himself and it's like hilarious because it's It's just making sure you have the emotion they want you to feel now. Where do you think i'm going with this? Well, yeah Yeah, I think I I wonder if there's a show If there's a show that does this that we recently watched the show's many out of everybody It really Wants you to feel things And it is very confident and very insistent that you feel certain ways With this show regardless of context and regardless of what's actually happening You need to feel this way At this scene when you're looking at this guy feel this way when this happens feel this way Very very obnoxious I'd call it and I feel of course, you know, we just need to go ahead So so just a quick example You remember the one we were showing in the last uh if I were we He tosses the shield at someone in neck and they're like stunned and then he kicks them across um If we were able to just get an extra shot in here and then change the music so he hits him With the shield it hits him in the neck you make like a sharp like shock sound maybe even horror And then a scream from the guy you did it to and he kicks him a back breaking sound and then back breaks into the wall And then it cuts to the extra shot we have is it shows cap's face And he looks down at himself He looks back up And he's like scared or shocked at what he's done and we play the right musical cue and then the scene carries on Now that would be That would be quite manipulative now wouldn't it compared to what they had in place and it's just like Well, they have those videos on youtube where they take uh shows And movies and stuff and they re-edit them to be like You know such and such movie But it's a horror film and they just re-edit it and they change the music and some of the Cuts and it looks like a horror film even though it's like a comedy or a kid's movie Well, man, you could it was up people are very easy to manipulate And it's it's kind of it's awkward because people would say like well, isn't that the point of music? And it'd be like well, I think music probably ought to accentuate the emotions that you already have Rather than like trying to warp What is a reasonable interpretation? Yeah, we want them to be congruent with the event. Yeah, that's gonna be the key factor. It's the sauce not the meal You know, which fun enough like it'd be I was just gonna say like kitchen nightmares will often At least at some points have the correct emotion quote-unquote But they've like blown it up and it's almost cartoonish and it's a breakneck as well in terms of how it'll change And the issue nightmares. Yeah. Yeah the the issue there a lot of people will claim is just like It's not letting you experience it for yourself. You're almost being told with each part of the music exactly how to feel at all times So it's like, yeah, there's also a level of subtlety you need as well. It's it's complex. Music is very complex Music is like Good music is like a super soldier serum. It just makes you more of what you really are Hmm, right. Well, yeah, exactly it's because you think about appropriate tracks and Like like when you watch, you know return to the Jedi and then you have your epic space battle music for when this space battle is happening But when you have your intense one-on-one, you know dual with luke and vader, it's appropriately somber Well somber kind of mixed with that one's hard to describe because it's so good, but it'd be really awkward like if you watch civil war and when When steve is fighting tony if they were playing really happy upbeat music That would be really weird like if they played the avengers feet theme really optimistically as he stabbed the shield Into his arc reactor that would kind of take you out of it To um jump this one ahead because I just think it's very relevant Super chat says can't the same argument be made for the lack of music to manipulate an audience? No music can also warp your emotions. I really feel like I would argue the opposite It's uh giving you free reign to only react to the events that you're seeing on screen And so if if the point of seeing it like a child mood or something You go, well that's manipulating me to be sad. I'd be like, oh well now we're getting into uh I can't even know what to say anymore no no music is like The application of no music is more like real life so and Yeah, I'm not sure what's because like music isn't Depending on what the story is is like a non-diagetic element. It's like an extra thing that's getting added on So if you're watching like saving private ryan The the whole point of there being no music is like, oh, this is the experience at this particular moment And you just need to take it in If they had music And and I think we mentioned on the stream like that movie fury which has a lot of music that always is Insisting like how you're meant to feel about what's happening. Like this is a tank battle. It's really intense This part's really sad. We need to play this music and it's like Look you let people like figure out so if you had like a fight scene Between maybe cap and iron man and it's nobody's really getting hurt and it's bouncing forward He's got epic music, but then um the music would suddenly cut I think it would put us all in a position of like, you know, and the punch is a really sounding really hard The dream is over. Yeah. Yeah, we're like fantasies over. This is what could really happen. It's real and in the real world There is no soundtrack Mm-hmm Anyway, yeah, this this show makes the shit out of people and it really annoyed us That is that is a conclusion to use music and camera work for the majority of uh, how it manipulates you Um, yes, I think the idea that falcon and bucky ditched lamar and cap isn't something that Basically anybody who likes to shows even thought was a thing that happened. I don't think they even considered it And it's because the the the direction and like the the attitude of the show is just not actually acknowledging it Just like nah, that's fine. It would not a thing shut up. It reminds me of the Wonder Woman shit where it's like, well You know, you guys are interpreting that that happened. It's like no, we're not. That's just what happened. Yeah That james uses in all his videos here I got really invested in both of them for the first time But it's falcon who really steals the show here Sam trying to come to terms with what steve wanted for him compared to his own hesitation about being a black man holding The shield is really powerful stuff. I love everything with i but remember it's incongruous because yeah Yeah, it doesn't make sense that in an endgame that was not the impression that that scene leaves you with that He doesn't think that he could be captain america Yeah, this again unfortunately the world the world as built wasn't ready for any of this You needed to let everybody know who was writing all those other stories that this is where you were going So they could actually have these issues rise up instead of just being plonked on There's some other creator will probably come along at some point and not address any of this stuff because they're doing their story So we're just gonna have to like it to me. It's just like the fucking Almost like shallowest form of just telling stories in a in a world I don't care. I don't want to tell my own asia bradley and how tragic his story is I like that scene in the second episode where the pig. Well, here's the thing. I never felt like it was a tragic story Wait, did he call him pigs? Did he wait? Hold on. Can we do anything with asia bradley and how tragic his story is? I like that scene in the second episode where the pigs harassed sam Pigs he called them pigs. He called the cops pigs. Well, that's great. Wow Um, okay I'm sure. Wow. All right Y'all need to just put your money where your mouth is and put yourself on a list So that whenever there's an issue whenever you have a car accident Or if anyone ever mugs you robs you assaults you Whenever anything happens You're just on a do not help list for the pigs because you don't you don't want the pigs helping you out So whenever you need something and you call 911, they're like, oh, sorry. Yeah, that's right Uh, we're you're on the list where we don't you know, you did not you don't actually like us or respect us or want us So we're not going to help you out at all I like how as well it's um, wow It's even worse than you might imagine too because to call the one that made the mistake a pig Because you think that they're like, I don't know hyper prejudice and a bad person What about the ones that just turn up to do their job? What about the one that corrects the police officer that made the mistake? Are they all pigs? Like, oh, okay Yeah, um, it's a great attitude Because remember profiling and Profiling a huge group of people based on the actions of a small minority. That's very very bad to do All right, we shouldn't ever do that. That's definitely not something that's cool However, pigs if that group is police officers Then it's okay for you to take that and apply that to the entire group as a whole unfairly But these are very principled people who are very intelligent And yeah, just to back up what you said, it's just like, um Believe me like I hope you never get into a situation We really need the cops then like because you'll just be like, oh look at them helping me those pigs I can't believe it So are the black cops are they pigs too? presumably I imagine that I would say that yeah It's like because acab brunt Yeah, all the get's All cops I kind of like that The acab thing exists because it's so it's so nice when you're when someone has that and like their profile You know that just instantly you don't have to care about anything that they say That's pretty you can just move on to another you just move on to another person because this is not a reasonable individual That you should take seriously. So it's it's really a time saver Oh, yeah, so you can do the isiah thing um His story it's a it's a tragic story that they made up for this. Uh, I don't feel like it's real Well, yeah, so in the sense that a story can be real So for us artificial There's no difference between what the writers told me about isiah's story as there is with someone going I'm gonna make my story about how hard it was for a black guy. Like, okay um You didn't really get past that did you because integrating them just like damaged everything but No, well, this is like okay because I have this story that they wanted to tell And they don't care that it's part of a big universe where there were implications for this Falcon is like you're telling me there's a black superhero this whole time Well super soldiers like that wasn't that clearly wasn't the fucking issue with what we just heard It was a human being has been yeah, okay uh Yeah, I I they they this It gets into the aspect of with marvel now The world doesn't have that continuity that it used to because we know That in a show they are more than willing to make up something on the spot Retroactively that they wanted to happen but didn't actually happen So that they could say the thing that they want to say You don't get a sense of permanence of anything happening. I mean, it's Especially now with bringing people back to life and ret conning things They're going full comic book in terms of what they're doing with this which is fascinating when You see them talk about how apparently they have 10 to 15 people whose responsibility is to make sure that everything's like consistent in the universe I mean you hear that for a lot of these franchises like star wars has that person too But like I don't understand what's happening because like this can't work You can't just drop isaia in Said that he's been around since like the 50s as a super soldier and that there were other Super soldiers and have it never come up ever in any other stories except for now Also, he beat the shit out of winter soldier winter soldier never told steve this during civil war when all the super soldier shit came up He was just like, uh, I and if you would ask them on set you'd have been like, what do you mean? You're making all this up. I'd be like, yeah Because it's not a part of the story Oh, well Of everything with isaia bradley and how tragic his story is I like that scene in the second episode where the pigs harassed sam before realizing he's an avenger and being like Oh, sorry, I didn't recognize you because it's unfortunately pretty realistic. This is the first time to see you pretty Really, really. Yeah, this is How many times does something have to happen? Like percentage-wise of the times it happens, right until it becomes Realistic or not. Is it just one time doesn't have to happen once I feel like most I feel like a lot of people just recognize anthony mackey if they sort of let alone like in this universe Falcon one of the adventures. Everybody knows who he is. They're not gonna one of the issues with the show Super selective recognition of these two people. Yeah, and everybody knows who these people are We're closer to highlighting a different kind of issue where celebrity status will often get you out of trouble Um versus non, which is I guess a class issue, uh Yeah, but oh well You know like like the idea that this is the thing It's just so awkwardly done too because we just had this whole Speech about how this black person was horribly treated and he's like a mirror of captain america Then like seconds later. They're like is this black person bothering you bucky? Like oh my god, all right Are you talking to this avenger? Property in a long time that feels like it takes place in the real world. No, it feels like a cartoon world You're such an idiot. Jesus Christ. How do you even say that? None of the laws work properly. Nobody goes to jail for anything Yeah, it's nonsense. None of this can work. None of this could work in the real world. You could believe that in civil war even I don't want to say winter soldier, but Yeah, I'm not gonna say winter soldier, but at least in civil war, right? You're like this could exist in the world like I could believe that You know with all the allowances we're giving for these people and events and superpowers This could happen in the real world These would be what the actual consequences of these things would be this show is allergic to consequences They just don't exist. They disappear between scenes their reference, but never executed the blip and unblip too Like to include that and then be like yep, this is very realistic You're like the world wouldn't even be close to the same It would it's uh, but yeah, you know it's realistic. It's great Nice and grounded. I was so invested It also the person calling cops pigs is like, yeah, that's a realistic world Okay, all right Okay It concerns itself with real life issues and the fact that it's a tv show means that it actually takes the time to focus on these issues No, it doesn't it doesn't it skips over bucky's ptsd. It's actually fucking annoying They spent so much fucking time with the america is bad and evil and racist part and we lost We we didn't get anything for buck. They spent like this scene here With this fucking horseshit retroactive nonsense about america evil america hates black people's story They did this And it took all that time and they spent how much on the flashback for bucky losing his mind control That's like a minute and a half that scene at most like talk about fucking priorities And to be honest with you I didn't really like like all I've learned about falcon is how much I don't like this person Like he frustrates me and when he turns up as part of a team in some ensemble movie, I'm gonna be like, oh, there he is Great, which is a shame Like yeah, meanwhile if the thunderbolts are put together and uh us agent is leading them I would be like man. I hope you guys managed to achieve some stuff. I guess Someone said mcu never had obama. They did he only got one term though Because they replaced his second term with a different president for the mcu Well, because they have that other guy Well, I I guess it would be safe to assume that obama is not canon in the dc in the mcu like he it's someone else Well, I think his first term is Is it If I'm in three I'm in one was 2008 and then I meant he's after 2012 so that means his first term would have been right Yeah, it had to have been an Iron Man two that he was mentioned then Oh, I don't know if he's mentioned by name. I haven't got a reference for that Um, I guess let's see So I guess uh mcu president timeline Is there a timeline like on the internet somebody actually thought this Obama is in the mcu. Well, is there a simple google reference for this obama? Barack Obama looks like obama Apparently luke cage mentioned him, but I don't know if that if that counts Oh, he's in It says captain america winter soldier and then book in quoting in quote. What does that mean? I think somebody in chat said that there was a book about obama on on the bookshelf Oh, that'll be enough That's nothing. All right Yeah, apparently he is mentioned in the in winter soldier. So Oh Okay, well mentioned. It could be a name on a book. You know, uh I think that counts. I think that definitely counts because it was another it was a different obama It was a white obama. It was it was his brother Steve But that doesn't even include the iam patriot stuff, which is completely animal, which is the important part Yeah, which we can't talk about We're not gonna mention that rather than brushing past them the dialogue bits are the best part of the Because I was like Show by par the action being fine. There's some standout fight scenes, but nothing. No, there aren't It was no like I mean standoff in the sense of which one is worse I like how he just totally I like how he totally breezed past the dialogue's really good No, the action scenes are all right, but there are a few standout ones like what what is this? It's all terrible actually. It's all horrific This is this stuff is written in like a half hour. This this script. It's just thoughts absolutely This is this is like cosmo 101 in terms of just the way that the arguments are presented It's just like you had a thought and you wrote it down and then you moved on to the next one And you're just going and you're not substantiating anything It's so disappointing because People will look up to this and try to emulate it, but there's like nothing to emulate that isn't just It's the whole um What thought theater originally did right with his mando video. It's you see it all the time You just do it because that's what you do. It's like, oh, yeah, it's black and white. We have piano music I just assert things and say them and just move on to pools randomly and there's nothing to it It's empty. There's no work or like passion that goes into it Um, and yeah, the the dialogue was horrible. It really annoyed me Not just when it has characters fucking assassinating themselves But also when it was just incredibly overt and people talk they say what the the classic problem They say what they mean. They don't say what they would say And you know, john walker saying i'm captain america while spitting on Sam it's he's like losing his mind. That's some good dialogue Best part of the show by far with the action being fine. There's is there an action scene we thought was No We're the one where lamar died That that was the one where they weren't killing each other for some reason. They were just throwing knives at each other Oh, yeah, bucky spays them. He's not killing them. Yeah for some reason Which is so frustrating because they're trying to kill you Well, it's just funny because there's that clear civil war r-rated where Where cap flies in crushes a dude to death with his with his shield Like hits a guy with a the the shield that knocks his head off kicks the guy to the wall There's blood everywhere and they're screaming and it's like oh those guys can buy that's perfectly fine But these guys nah Well, it it's so incompetent because you know that they're like, hey, he's not the winter soldier Okay, he's not just gonna kill people and it's like, what are you? No That was never how it worked He's but again the fight scene that he's showing here sam kills all these guys and they're not super stuff They're just normal guys, which is fine because they're trying to kill him like ironically like They're incompetent cartoon logic where it's like kills matter when I say they do and you're like, oh Yeah, it's the whole thing of kill the goons, but not the main head honcho who was actually Mostly Yeah, the most awful of them all the person you should be going for the most Well, yeah, because captain marvel kills all those other people, but then when that's jude law She just puts them in a spaceship and it's like, oh, it's funny. You say that I was referring to rhodan She kills all the the big ship or whatever. She does kill his when he was like the leader of this whole thing That's right. She just postures in front of him. And she's like, don't you do it again, rhodan I can't kill you you see because you're in gardens the galaxy. It's like, oh Some stand out fight scenes, but nothing too crazy. It was better than which which all the In all the fight scenes are one of those things that I would put against the whole it's realistic thing because it's the the fight scenes are Insanely unrealistic or have how guns just aren't present unless they are for one shot And then they get knocked away instantly As if they want to just remind you that the gun was there actually but it's not going to be brought up anymore because it I like how he's comparing it to one division. It's like darn one division Don't yeah action was really dog shit. It was not a better example That's the thing is being like it's better than one division. Like, okay Yeah, good for it. Of course it is Nothing too crazy. It was better than one division's action scenes. That's for sure Zemo was a really fun addition and he stole every scene he was in I thought you said falcon stole the show. Yeah, I thought Well falcon stole the show except for when zemo stole the zemo stole all the scenes that he was Please please redraft. Please It makes sense control f stole. Oh wait for every moment falcon was on the screen. We shouldn't even have to control it It's been two minutes. I know You could probably zoom out enough and put it on the same screen. You think that so like yeah, because brains have like memory So you shouldn't have to remember that you said this I definitely made these mistakes in prior drafts. I'll be like, oh, I've described something as amazing Like three times in a row. I need to fucking fix that shit. Yeah But oh It's kind of dumb considering they kind of reinvented her entire character without any She was kind of dumb considering they kind of reinvented. Do you see what he did this before he said the show was pretty good But a few floors keep it from being pretty great. This is like you'd need to do better. Sorry We didn't even cite her character changes of flow because we don't have the context of it yet Yeah, you can't actually like being like, uh, you know Having to do things throughout a character is without explanation is bad. It's like well not yet I'm considering they kind of reinvented her entire character without any hint as to how she became this new person The reveal that she was a power broker is but like what's for these zooms Well, I don't really I don't know. I think but I think this is in the show Well, no because he's I guess it's hard to tell because it's so blurry I was gonna say he's already fucked with the aspect ratio But this could just be a standard zoom. Yeah Not sure because she doesn't look that stretched She might be um Yeah, I uh, I think the show is very much aware that Sharon is not Sharon, you know, and it's like mystery Yeah, mystery box. Like I wouldn't call this a flip. You know, like tlj was never like Wait, luke isn't luke. It was like no, this is luke And he's this way because of this flashback that explains it all it's like no Came this new person the reveal that she was the power broker is seriously the lamest most predictable shit ever I don't think any of us cared. No, it was falcon getting the shield Yeah, I agree. I don't who'd be the power could bet nothing to me. I was like, all right, then Yeah, I guess they just they wanted the actress back or Um, maybe she knew somebody that wanted for new stuff coming up. Maybe she genuinely uh I guess Trying to make her the super badass agent in this and it was just so forced and the fight scenes were so fucking dumb Oh when she like kills all the bounty hunters all in a row That must be really annoying if you're playing one of them, right? If you're the actor who's playing this big buff bounty hunter guy And you have to act like this scrawny woman is just flat out beating you up and overpowering you Yeah, like it's supposed to be just annoying as you're laying there pretending to be in pain or whatever That's gotta get on your nerves, but maybe they're good actors. So it doesn't show on their faces, which is fair enough And in a mountain by the ends, I don't know why they bothered don cheeto showed up for five minutes And that was pretty epic carly. Why is that your analysis? Why is it your epic? It it's weird that he never showed up again Like for the resolution, you know, I was kind of hoping that he was gonna be in the show Like uh, yeah, because I feel like he has some input to give us given his character in this universe Yeah, because people talk about how like falcon side lined with tony. Yeah But people talk about how he sidelined, you know falcon and that this is finally giving him stuff They just like what about fucking what about War machine he's barely in any of it. I about too is probably the most war machine we've ever gotten from one movie, right? Um, yeah, because he's more of a focus and ever since I guess he is getting a show later on armor wars Well, let's hope that one does him justice and doesn't make him a psychopath. Yeah That would be nice if we got a good war machine. I war machine is cool. Like I really like War machine on a on a very surface level. I just need more. Yeah Like he's just an iron man variant where he's just over like produced with all kinds of weaponry It's like that's I think I just like it's super ballistic focused, you know Yeah, there's plenty to do with him as a character. Look how much he's been through. He's been here since iron man two Oh, sorry, iron man one actually um God he's one of the most like longest running characters and this is barely I've ever been for him. It's crazy It's it's kind of unreal, but he never got a movie as well Why didn't they make a war machine movie like with black widow how she didn't get her own movie until she's dead Maybe they kill him Saying that this guy thinks that luke's arc and tlj was good and he liked it So if that's the case, then he's you never know what to expect. Did he I thought you I I wouldn't be 100 But I could have sworn that he wasn't he was like 50 50 on it at most, but maybe I don't know Honestly, I'm not gonna be too shocked by anything at this point It was okay. Like how she feels like a real revolutionary and not a mustache twirling villain Oh my god, are you insane? I don't get these people. I don't understand them They're just like this is what we're supposed to think or what we're supposed to He said he said she felt like a real revolutionary and not a mustache. I didn't like you mate. I didn't hear that part Oh, well, I can play again Hey, I like how she feels like a real revolutionary and not a mustache twirling villain She's totally a mustache twirler. It's kind of funny You're supposed to feel sad for Dude, even if there was one we're like, okay, you're getting a bit mustachey twirly right now Yeah, even her own team thinks that she's like too evil Is he saying real revolutionaries are too evil? Well, he doesn't think that she's too evil, but the show It's very confusing to read. Hopefully we'll get something from him. Yeah Um Hang on Is this a good doubt quote I mean, I we're probably gonna get a few out of this if this is a kind of quality again So I said, yeah, maybe there maybe it's commentary on how today's revolutionaries are fucking bat shit So I guess she's like a real revolution. I don't know but I don't but he thinks that cops are pigs so who So he probably has a good opinion on modern day revolutionaries or something I mean, if he likes calling in hates types Yeah, the cops so far it's like who What a side to pick but all right, he thinks she's uh, she's well, let's see what else he says about it At the same time, she's not really that compelling of a threat, especially not compared to john walker Oh What? Oh, no, where are we going? Tell me about the fucking greatest of all time john walker. Oh god, where are we going? I'm not happy with that setup. Oh, I'm worried now In that compared to john walker who this show really fucking drops the ball with throughout the first five episodes I loved hating this guy. I why why why did you hate him? But he was an ironically amazing person He's one of those people Yeah, well, yeah, he's not a bright boy. It's pretty clear. Oh god. This is gonna be fun to listen to I can't remember the last time I got this invested in hating a fictional character Why what was there to hate? Please tell us why he's such an asshole that being said no, he isn't So now I need references Yeah, you you better come up with references because for the first Three and a half episodes. He's basically doing amazing. Didn't he's showing the scene of walker and uh I almost called him starburst Battlestar That that'll start after After uh, they get bucky out of prison bucky's been arrested and so captain american pays his bail And gets him out of prison. What a fucking asshole am I right? Well, and then they're like, hey, how about we work together and and sam's like Oh, we're free agents. We're more flexible. So it wouldn't make sense for us to work together Which by the way is finally like oh, fuck you. Yeah, that's not even like so if for example I was somehow able to be like an iron man type and just roll around everywhere I want to do whatever I want and you two are government agents I'd be like and if you said let's work together I go now I'm a free agent I would expect one of you to be like, um, that doesn't mean we can't work together That just means that we have different rules for where we could go at what times that we do Yeah, we want we want the same thing and if we can still pool our information to work together But it never pans out. We haven't lost anything like It's unreal because when we were watching it we've talked about it before but we knew he was gonna be Quote-unquote evil But we were getting very confused because we're paying very close attention and everything he had done up to this point Was not only like awesome of him, but like it was showing him to be a very very good person And it was very confusing that like Bucky and falcon hate him and like I said, I cannot understate Because because rags just mentioned he got him out of prison and he got him off the therapist and he's approved in for active duty Like these are things that are just amazing. It's like Bucky should be incredibly thankful But maybe those things kind of get dwarfed by the fact that bucky's life was saved By him. Yeah, that'd be bad if not for him Yeah, and they don't even they're not even like you should thank us for saving your life They're rolling their eyes when he saves their lives. I'm picturing the Shea frillis. How have you pronounced it? Um, I'm picturing when he was watching it. He saw walker save them and went Oh god Look, oh, I can't believe that this asshole just saved the two protagonists. Oh What an idiot? Oh, I can't believe this guy the nerve the fucking nerve And you and then like I was honestly like impressed with walker's patience It's only here that he finally is like, all right then guys stay out of my way then like like fuck you basically With all the shit you said to me It's insane like of all the things that I've done for you of all of the olive branches that I've offered and all the help And the fact I save your lives and you don't seem to care about it. Yeah, I'd be like, yeah Fuck you get you guys too. Y'all suck It's like y'all are purposefully ruining things And all I've got left is well, I mean But like if you look at how the main characters look and feel if you if you listen to the music if you watch the camera angles Walk is kind of a bad guy Oh All right, I wonder if he's gonna reference anything outside of this is really he's really easy to manipulate Well, I'm sure he's about to tell us he doesn't have much of a doesn't have focus He doesn't he's not critical of media, which is odd considering his job I guess I'm sure he's gonna tell us this psychopath murdered an innocent person or something. That's probably what he's gonna tell us That being said if you're one of those fucking moron degenerates who decided to harass the actor that plays him Because you didn't like the fictional character then you go touch some grass Um, yeah, touch some grass. That's like the equivalent of go outside. I guess Um, so he thinks all cops are pigs though Well, yeah, the response to that would just be like go and meet and discuss things with some cops Maybe even What if you had a family member never mind whatever that was like just exactly the amount of ignorance that I would expect at this point But uh, it's it is interesting to me like we never really cover that whole like people Sending messages to actors as a result of the before was it? I'm just like I never even think like what what is wrong with you Why would you ever do that just stop? Like it doesn't even I don't think to have it come up. Yes, it's it's insane that you would do that That's unreal. It's the playing a character It's that job As the season continued on I started seeing walker more and more as the main antagonist compared to carly Because the show The person who's blowing up buildings full of people. Oh my god, dude. Like why are you real? You're showing her next to the van. She's about to set on fire Like what are you doing? Do you guys remember when they beat him to to a pulp and broke his arm and stole his shield when all he did was say you guys should see a medic Yeah, they finally show up and he's he's emotionally traumatized And they show up and his first thought is y'all should make sure that you guys are okay What an awesome. What a fucking Chad. John Walker is a Chad. He is a fucking hero Well, he's the best character in this show The only thing stopping me from like being excited for more John Walker is how much I worry that they're gonna Make him a bad guy again in future Yeah Yeah But what in sanity I want him to explain what he hated about Walker for the first what five episodes Well, even just the first three like what is like legitimately one. What did you hate about him? I could on the locker room chat the interview the the what those are all examples of him being evil. So yeah, um, but Like it's it's it's one thing to say that you don't like him and you think he's a bad guy It's quite another to say he's worse and more antagonistic or should have been the antagonist compared to Carly Like what are you calling who incinerated three people to death and like another 11 people who wanted to do more Except the good guys stopped her Like if the good guys weren't there I quote a good guys weren't there to stop her murderous awfulness So many more people would have died horribly Like look at our body count compared to walkers and the circumstances too Yeah, Walker killed one enemy combatant In the midst of battle in the midst of battle. Yes, you know, Carly is found mine Carly premeditated To blow up a building filled with people. She planned that she thought it through Setting vehicles on fire with people trapped inside all sorts of stuff. She's yeah, and she's not She was hoping to kill all the board members as well Yes, that's right. And she did her justification. I don't mean to kill people in her matter. Oh, wow Like you're just the worst. She's doing. I feel like someone trying to stop you matters Yeah, well, no, he doesn't not to the cause rags not to that which is kind of I think Stupid it would matter you killed uh captain america's black wing man that represents like The g.r.c.'s police force in a way like surely it would matter you killed battle star Like people would care about battle star, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, because as people are saying Lamar was a bro. He was Lamar was amazing. There's literally nothing wrong with the whole series Yeah, I would have been calling a show that was you know, he's two john walker and Lamar teaming up going on adventures I want to see that They said man, it was really endearing to just see them smiling at each other as they were like saving people's lives like these guys Yeah, they're way better than our protagonists. Oh, yeah Way better yeah, like And Lamar was even like trying to um even you know provide at least some understanding for where walker was getting frustrated Like you'd have conversations and they'd have little bits of banter They have their history and then he died saving him like there was yeah What can you do? There is no reason to dislike Lamar at all Like there's nothing Lamar is just great. He's a he's a really cool dude who keeps his friend on the straight and narrow Yeah, who yeah, he does he gives him good advice. He's there. He saves his life And as has been established he is like 100 correct and in the heat of battle walker makes the right decision to save the people As he would yeah, that's that's who he is But instead we got the Figure that's where the season was going. He would kill her and have to be taken down because he's gone insane Wait, what yeah, you'd have to be taken down because wait of what he'd be insane if he took down carly That's what he just said. No that That what because I was I thought that's what he was saying We couldn't replay that compared to carly and I figured that's where the season was going He would kill her and have to be taken down because he's gone insane Thanks to the super serum making him stupid. Why would the super? I actually have to be now. Oh my god I think people unironically think that what um urskine was saying to steve is like that is the scientific way that the serum works As opposed to a more metaphorical Saying about the nature of power The serum doesn't make you insane and it doesn't make you a better or worse person It's the idea of how do you respond to being imbued with that much power That's what it's about with the serum. It's not like the serum makes you insane And how come carly isn't how come how come she's totally fine even though she took the serum Well, I guess that's what he's arguing right is the herics insanity is blowing people up their insanity is being in the flags I don't think he is. I don't think he is. I don't even know that he appreciates I didn't well. I didn't get the impression from the show whatsoever that the serum makes you insane I'm pretty sure the doctor was explicit. He was like there was no like repercussions. There was no side effects. It was pure No, but the problem is that people refer to the urskine quote about good It makes good better and bad worse where but again, they're just reading it as if that's like the scientific method For how the serum works rather than like actually make as if yeah, basically, which is what the whole point of that is Um, she's clearly insane for me. Yeah, I know that but what I'm saying is I don't know that the show is acknowledging Yeah, yeah, the serum She was insane before the serum clearly. Yeah. Yeah She's nuts. Um, and if you remember her team when she blows people up are like, whoa Meaning, yeah, they think even though they have the serum that what she's doing is Too much as if it's more part of here than it is the it's not the serum at all. They make it clear It's not the serum that makes you nuts It's not the serum All right serum just makes you more of what you are already that the show is explicit with that The two different characters one of them being the creator of the fucking serum. So it's yeah, let's drop that The other being a character who was never wrong That's what kind of holds zemo back from being like a good guy You know it's obviously his methods, but That his view on them is it was well established and why he thinks that But his ability to I guess Well, it it's going on its own tangent, but But we'll probably get there. I don't know if he's got extra Someone will have something on zemo before we end tonight. I figured that's where the season was going He would kill her and have to be taken down because he's gone insane. Thanks to the super serum making him worse I mean the end it does that's not how it works. Why what? The only so far is holy shit Yeah, he's a holy shit. He killed an enemy combatant with his weapon Why is everyone so weird about this Like what do you think like what was he supposed to do? Well, I've seen so many conversations about this but like he was supposed to arrest him and it's like How like like he doesn't have like like you need special cuffs for super soldiers Do you just hope that he stops attacking stops being a threat this guy kept running away? And he threw shit at him when he was yeah, just moments before this he threw a stone like I don't know. Yeah Yeah, like something that would kill you if you were normal Well, without the shield he might have been fucked up. Yeah Yeah, the thing that really like like puzzles me I guess about this is that uh Well, we've already been over how much other characters have done things that are very very similar So it's like again the whole manipulation thing, but at the same time, uh, if I guess it's like down to a What we talked about if it was seen in real life if it was seen seen on like a live leak video It's like judge him morally, uh, you know thumb up thumb down or thumb in the middle and I guess like even Just just at the core it's be like Looks like he kind of did what he felt he had to do and it's a really stressful environment Is it the most optimal? It's like he threw a plastic chair at him. He did Saying I got you As we know that's a lethal fucking weapon. No joke. It's enough to stop the fucking vibranium shield so Uh, if if someone was to be like, ah So you think he should have done something different if he said it wasn't morally optimal or something like that I was like, well, I I think I can't necessarily judge it because I'm trying to imagine like the guy goes It wasn't me and then Walker puts the shield down and goes Okay Well, you're still coming with me and the guy gets up and then runs away Oh, well All the guy gets up and then fucking tackles walker and tries to punch his face like until it becomes a puddle of blood There's there's a lot of different ways this could go And um in a split second decision walker is like i'm ending your life Which I think is more than reasonable and it's done in many many scenarios And it's a really tough scenario to make decisions like that in There is I I forget where the quote's from but it's something along the lines of it's really easy for us to judge in our In our idleness and relaxation the decisions that other men have had to make during extreme stress. Yeah. Yeah Um And this would be an example of that as we sit here in our comfortable homes safely quietly Staring at computer screens talking about you know a tv show It's really easy for us to condemn the things that these characters will do in their situations My understanding is that the thing that makes it gray was that it wasn't an instant death It was repeatedly beating with the equivalent of a dull blade Um, but cap throws the shield of people all the time in their throat and their neck and their jugular You think that's a nice way to die having your throat crushed So if you're gonna say I've got x amount of vibranium. We're gonna make a weapon for you. What do you want? So as like well, if it's a weapon is a shoot state is in shield is Not ideal for a weapon. It's always been silly. We've just sort of Well, it's symbolically cool, right? That yeah, it's Captain America has a shield That's his weapon because he's like defensive almost on a yeah And in a sense you go along with it. He throws it. It bounces off. It comes back. He catches it comes back. Okay. All right But yeah Someone said that wasn't a split second You have no fucking clue how long it took him to make the decision that I am going to kill this man Like it from the scene after that guy just tried to kill him Moments and has killed his best friend another fellow soldier So like it's tried and it has killed civilians and is attempting to run away instead of surrendering Bullshit like oh, you know what if it were like maybe one second I'd allow I'd allow it but three. Nah It's like, okay Someone said in the chat that it's morally gray at worst is like yeah, pretty much pretty much at worst. It's morally gray. Yeah Again, this is this was hard For someone to have to do and if I was able to speak to him after it I just want to get his his account for why he made the decisions he made and then I don't see much more happening post that Yeah, they they do they do walker dirty in this show totally um I was talking to blame the uh the the lad we had on for the the boys breakdown. Yeah, he was saying that um With uh walker with a situation like this nine times out of ten He wouldn't have been like given any kind of punishment close to what we see in the show The only way it would happen if it was like hyper politically motivated and that they needed to make some kind of a A statement or whatever about Sitting things sitting different and I was like so could could you see what happens in this apply? He's like the the way they do it in this doesn't even make sense. Apparently the the sort of uh punishments he gets would never be given without also having a prison sentence Like the that's how harsh they are um, right And it's almost like what do you expect what do you expect him walker to do? Why did you send him there or why why would he be there at all? That's the thing That's why I changed it. Yeah. Yeah, they but that doesn't make any sense either But going by the insane logic of this shockingly poorly written show like what aren't bucky and Falcon there to do the same thing Like what are they there to do it stop them but not hurt them? And well, it's a fracking maybe right. It is absolutely bizarre like the fight they're having prior to this moment I don't know what the end goal is because nobody wants to kill each other apparently Yeah, but like you don't have enough handcuffs to arrest them all and it's three against like six Not only do they not have handcuffs normal handcuffs don't work. They have to get special ones Yeah, what are your means for transporting these people back to prison? Is they hoping to knock them out the plan god forbid that thing that most people have in situations like this They don't have any because it's a it's a show where you're not supposed to think about fucking anything We're gonna put CGI blood on the shield. That's all you need to know It's written by a 12 year old who wants to give a message And then there's the aspect of people say that you shouldn't do that someone who surrendered which uh I don't know that in every case that would be considered surrender Uh, feeling of blame says that uh, he wouldn't consider what the guy did here a surrender um More so he's he's uh, preparing for a what would be incoming combat Well, also, yeah, I mean that he's not the one who ended the life of lamar. Probably is a way to try Well, yeah, like this is what I mean that that distinction is fucking irrelevant So, uh, this is the thing. It's very complicated. I would like to know how it would work in a real court with with everybody's testimony It's really fucking strange that he says he'd like to give his testimony and they deny him Yeah, like that's I'm pretty sure you have a right to defend yourself That's like one of the fundamental rights of that criminal justice system Is that you have a right to defend yourself? And I've seen people be like, oh well, he must have military court of some kind. Yeah, but military court We're rules. Mm. I feel like in military courts because I don't know as much about military courts But like I imagine that you would have a right to actually present your case Surely sounds very american, you know, it would be weird if you couldn't Um And yeah, the most I've seen people say is like he probably gave his testimony before they would just say He can't repeat it. It's like well, then why would he be so obsessed with giving it if it's already been given that would be weird It's insane. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense. None of this works And you would think that an insane amount of people would be super supportive of him Because he killed the terrorist a murderous terrorist in a combat zone like I Like I it's it's literally just that there's blood on the shield and the music is like Like we could have done this with a lot of falcon and caps kills Oh, yeah, imagine doing it with camp when he goes into Lagos and crushes those dudes and Hits them so hard with the shield that they are all the time Lots of people all the time literally people who are not even engaged in combat who are human He's a super soldier and he decides well, you're out because you're on the enemy team Which seems to be okay with everybody else, but not anymore No, it's it feels really weird what's happened to the mcu. They used to just be like, yeah, no, they kill those guys It's all right. And now it's like this weird transition. It's like no Agatha. We're not going to kill her We're just going to imprison her mind Yeah, we're going to imprison her in a torture chamber until I want to make use of her again We're not going to kill terrorists who blow up innocent people. No, that's not. What's it going to be in the next thing? And if they do die, they're really kind of heroes. It's so weird how like It's not it's not that It is so it is so morally nonsensical. It is it really is. Yeah They didn't do it out of anger Is that it what so what does that change really? Oh, so when iron man flew in to kill those terrorists and he punched one of the dudes so hard that he flew into that wall Was he not angry? Nope. Whether or not he was angry. They're terrorists How would you not be angry? I was about to say that I was trying to kill you I'm not sure how to disconnect your emotions from uh, you're like like why is steve doing what he's doing? It's like what is the opening of winter soldiers like french? They say that they live french mercenaries and they're taking a boat got hostages. Yeah from shield Of course, you'll be emotionally invested in that. You're like these people who take are taking hostages. They need to be stopped Fuck them Yeah, this person's trying to kill you if you're not angry. I'm like is something wrong with you Is hulk angry you have some emotional problem with your brain if people are trying to kill you and your friends And you don't feel angry at that Well, and so and this is where it gets really interesting, right? Because if if chafferolas for example was here and he said this is why he thinks walker's a horrible person And he hates him. I'd be like man Who do you like in the mcu? And I would love him to mention any of them, right? But the one I think I really wanted to mention is like oh well steve. He's one of my favorites And I'd be like oof steve's much worse talk about steve. Yeah, not even close Yeah, remember that time when steve dragged that dude on the ground for 10 seconds Why do you always reference that one go for that? Yeah, that's not even bad at all. Yeah Triscillian is the killer argument Oh, yeah, it's true. Yeah And I've seen people say like well no because the goal with the triscillian was to prevent people from being killed with the Hey, the triscillian can't kill him if they're already dead. Okay Yeah, triscillian. You're right. Yeah, and so that is like Wait, so now we're shifting to intention not like the damage they have dealt which is like all what civil war is about It's like sometimes your attention is not going to matter if you're killing people. Okay And we don't want to talk about civil war because this show completely fucking doesn't give a shit that civil war happened The both thematically and in universe it doesn't give a shit Civil war gets in the way of the story that this loser writer wants to tell So we're just not going to talk about that entire movie that we made Uh feels unreal to to take in and if they wanted to make walker evil Someone just suggested in chat Like what if the guy was captured and then walker kills him while he's in prison through using his like authority to get in and out It's just like yeah, you could have done that if you really wanted to different. Yeah Like a vengeance kill on the prisoner. It's like, yeah, I would be much more on board But this one is um That's as someone said at worst morally gray Was wild and I didn't know how they could top that. Well, they didn't John walker just decides in the final episode that he is gonna be a good guy. He was never a bad guy He's not cute. He's never a bad guy You see person doing wonderful amazing things being literally heroic for multiple episodes over and over and over every time And you say you hate him. How does he so reconcile this with episode two with all the good things he did? I don't understand I don't get it We were so proud of the show for making walker do this because this is who walker is Yeah, he's only done the right thing He's just he's he's constantly over and over doing the correct decision He's a morally upstanding guy who is looking out for other people Who seeks the advice of others who is not overly proud He seems like such a great dude Yeah, this is the thing even the parts I don't like this clown can walk away and think he's evil Like that's who he really is The parts where he's like i'm captain america like I I can attribute that like head canon wise to the amount of stress He's under and he's like fucking up center. There's just dialogue. I don't like that They give him there's something that matches his character at all, but hey Um, even that being the worst thing that he does like well, that's not so bad It's not so bad at all Um, someone mentioned it earlier in chat someone said uh the shaft forless guy. He's like the girl in the the new guy meme The new guy meme Yeah, remember that oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like the first meme of 2020, right? Yeah, it was something like that. Yeah uh, yeah the um Uh, she she's isn't it like he's like a really friendly worker and she's just shitting over him. Yeah That's the one. It's this one here. Let me show you Yeah this one Is a very interesting self-own. Yeah. No, that's not it Well, that's a new guy. No, that's not it. That is new. Yes, it is. That's not no It is not I will I will literally says new guy rags No, that's someone change the dialogue in the last panel Oh No, no, so yeah, but this is making fun of her is is the point, right? Yes. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, we're aware of the prior context Yeah, yeah, this was the original like is this the original before I fucking fucked that up This is the original. Yeah Millionaire gamer bro douche bag. Oh, fuck. I forgot about this. This is about PewDiePie, wouldn't it? Because PewDiePie got robbed and people were like, well, who cares? He's rich. It's like wow Hey, would you like it if you were robbed? Oh, wow, I can tell you're gonna be the kind of co-worker because we become friends What really held though? It's like, oh The one with the dog What's so great about this meme is that it there it spawned even any even more memes Yeah, it's such such an incredible odd self-own by this psycho artist Everyone deserves empathy Well, that's the I see why the person in chat. I forget your name. I'm sorry made this Suggest you know made this comparison Like rich people don't deserve empathy if you're a cop. You're just a pig. You're a bad person Walker is a bad person like their their view of the world is so skewed and unreal that You wonder what planet they're on Oh, no, okay, a spider just crawled into my fan and killed itself Really? I was watching it like curiously and I I was just watching it as you were speaking and I didn't realize it was climbing On to the fan. I was just looking at it and that it went in it was I was like, oh Wait, how does wait? What kind of it climbed into that like the blades? So if you think of like a Well, it's not like a ceiling fan like a you know, like a fan fan like it has plastic blades, but they go really fast Yeah, yeah, but you think they're like did it Did it fall in from the top on a web? It went in from behind Oh Well, maybe that was flattered Maybe the spider brain just didn't fucking know how to deal with uh lucky for me It didn't like splash on to me or anywhere. I can see I just heard something that and I can't see it You heard it damn how big was this spider if you well, no, it didn't scream. I bet like the sound of it hitting I meant like the physical sound Of a spider body hitting these rapidly spinning blades Where the whole spider was large enough to I was like damn Yeah, I don't think it was small. That's why I was distracted by it while you were talking I was like, oh my god, that's buddha. Wow. That's I rip spidey, bro. Yeah Spider See that's it represents man's effect on society having this artificial wind and it kills nature The f is like it's kind of f f is one of the most that is a long enduring meme. It's crazy. Yeah Advanced warfare. What a dumb stupid game f has evolved so far past card. It's like no f just means pay respects You'd be like why Why would that mean that so it's 2014 that was a game called call the gd advanced warfare where your body is dead And at the funeral you press f to put Why would you have it be press f to pay Advanced warfare such a stupid game Hot I guess I guess this is a hot take. I don't know but I really enjoyed that game's multiplayer because it was so silly Oh, man, like I heard a lot of people really hated it, but I really enjoyed that I like zipping around and jumping into the air and I quite liked it so much because it wasn't anything like a call of duty game So that's why I kind of liked it That's true But the problem that I have with that is that it becomes very difficult to know where to look like It becomes totally unpredictable where you're going to get shot from which means that the maps kind of don't even matter anymore Anyone can be anywhere at any time And so it was very much a I wouldn't call it balanced at all Definitely not because they did the whole Maybe they did this before I don't know but a weapon will have a Like like there is a base weapon And then there will be special versions of it with different stats And you would very clearly see Obvious correct gun decisions that everybody would make over and over all the time So Like they the smg where it has slightly less this but it just has better damage or something like that And it's just clearly the better option and everybody would use it Yeah, but that's me the case in every call of duty. That's like one weapon that's just Insanely good I liked it, but it was definitely a guilty pleasure where I think I put like 100 hours into it Which is a lot for a cod game for me I think I put some like 20 hours into it, which is pretty low compared to what I put into the ones before it Yeah, I'm like it definitely wasn't good, but I enjoyed it. It had this just silly arcadey kind of Quality to it. That's true But I mean, I feel like Titanfall was a better example because like it has adventure ability, but it's bound Yeah, yeah, I'm like one of the best first-person shooters of like the last undoubtedly. Yes Oh, by the way, Titanfall 2 is currently free on steam everybody Go get it guys. Curiously. Go get it. Go play it. Go get it. I didn't actually check if that was true I'm assuming it's true. They wouldn't have said it otherwise, right? Yeah, uh, let me that's that's uh It had like 16,000 people playing I heard about that. God damn. I need to boot it up and play it again because I haven't been able to play Titanfall 2 is just not enough people But if there are that many people playing god damn So just so that we're um Clear even if you don't have any interest in the multiplayer the single player is insanely good You should buy it. Even if you just want to play the single player There you go, but the multiplayer is awesome. Well, the multiplayer is really great too. Yes Uh, it's very fun very fast-paced very exciting very engaging Um, it's too good for this world. Evidently. It's better than apex legends as far as I'm concerned I uh, I want Titanfall 3. I would have Apex I like apex a lot. I have like 1600 hours of apex legends. Yeah, I wish we got I I would have preferred Titanfall 3. Yes apex is a nice nice thing over there. It's good, but Uh, yeah, Titanfall to Titanfall 2 and Titanfall. Hopefully we'll get a Titanfall 3. Hopefully I hope so Oh, man, I don't know who knows who knows Um, I don't know if you guys are the same thing on your phone Where you get like random articles on your like push notifications I'm not sure exactly where they come from, but I find them mostly chill. They're fine Some of them are like, I'm just like, I'm not really interested in that But they probably learns what I'm interested in and so most of it's media related But today I just like tilt my phone for a second because I heard a noise. It was like Gal Gadot has turned 36 What okay I'm I'm proud of her again. That's all right. Yeah. Why did you tell me that? Thank you so much God the world is weird. Anyway back to how Walker is a horrible person, I guess Yeah, I mean a good guy literally he drops his shield and starts helping people and he doesn't seem mad Yeah slightest that sam is the new captain america. Why would he be? Like he's just happy that people were saved. He's yeah, he seems to be a really stand-up guy That's why we were so worried when the decision was you know being made in the show And we were all tensed up and our assholes were clenched and we were super worried and gripping the desk Like this show's written so bad that we it could feasibly be in this show. It was written that he Went after carly even though that would not at all match his character It's it's bizarre because like I was almost picturing we were watching it It's like oh, he's gonna go fight here then the car will fall off and then falcon can save it, right? That's that's that's the other show they could have made And then he would have realized like I was wrong. You're the true captain america Or something like that, but no he got to be a hero and he got to be humble Because of course he was show feels like it feels like somebody was trying to rescue the show You know like they yeah, um Dude, I think it's fucking awesome symbolically. They threw the shield down to get both arms on the on the truck Yes Right. Yeah, because he was a hero remember walker was a fucking hero Before he became captain america. Mm-hmm, right Captain america was just another thing that he was doing in that he got He was still him and he was a hero before that Happens the weird thing is they redeemed him in the exact same way. I wanted prince charming to be redeemed and trek the third Um Sorry that didn't happen I guess I'm sorry that john walker was treated like prince charming from trek the third residence jimbo I okay Please put yeah, you put the help. Yep. How could I know? Jesus christ chat So chat if any of you have any aspirations of becoming a big youtuber that covers media I don't care who you are You can do it. You can do it feasible that you can do it because look at the people who are big youtubers talking about media It's it doesn't have anything to do with talent It doesn't have anything to do with actual skill I thought what an incredible insightful thing in the same way it's prince charming from trek the third When you hear that line in 11 months from now, you're gonna be like, oh my god. I remember someone said that That's a thing somebody said Wow We're halfway through Quacken crazy coincidence jimbo. See I wouldn't know I don't know. It's not a coincidence. I don't know what he means. Those are two unrelated things And the most in a way two things can that's not a coincidence They're unrelated and you two completely related things Is he suggesting that the relation is the fact that he watched them and felt this way? So for example, he watches records and goes I want x to happen and he sees another show where x happens And he's like what a coincidence That's not a coincidence though. I mean it's not a meaningful coincidence. Yeah, but he's an idiot What a strange thing to say I wouldn't mind john walker being redeemed so much if they actually didn't need to be redeemed. All right Jay didn't need to be redeemed. He needs to be say he needs to be rescued from this show He's too good for this show. He's a fucking paratrooper to get him out of here before they fucking root him even more He really showed his redemption taking place episode five was just an hour of sam and bucky vibing and honestly It was a really good episode, but if that no that wasn't a shit. It was a waste of time Just fill a I think the shitty dialogue. I'm sorry But then we had a montage Use the shield I'm jogging and i'm getting tired, but now i'm jogging and i'm not montage I'm throwing the shield and it's kind of wobbling even though it wasn't wobbling the first time Oh my god, you yeah I mean, you know art imitates life. I don't know what to say Apparently the 24 hour peak Titanfall 2 is the most popular that it's ever been it's got 27 and a half thousand people playing And maybe maybe they'll actually manage to revitalize it to a degree then I I hope so Titanfall 2's lack of success is one of the greatest gaming injustices that has ever occurred We never got you never get half life three fuck half life All right, Titanfall 2 not having Titanfall 3. That's the tragedy. That's a john walker level tragedy Oh, there's so many people playing. Oh I'm so I know what i'm playing tonight You can't promise someone like that and they're not stream it. They're all gonna be upset Oh, you know, that's a good idea. You know what? I'll put that down in my notes I'm busy over there. Come on guys. Fuck, but yeah, all right. Let's press on. Does he play inside? Let's press on Titanfall 2 Did john walker coming to terms with the fact that he didn't deserve to be captain america? No, he did. No, he did He literally did if right? There is nobody on earth that earned it more than him. Uh, sorry, and this isn't my opinion This is literally like what they've done in the show. They made him a triple winner They made him one of the peak physical like an intellectual human beings on earth He proved that even though he wants to take revenge for like one of his friends Or even you could argue it's avenging the friend who died to save his life And instead he chose to save some innocent people and then also he executed a terrorist in in battle Like I don't yeah, he's captain america. I'm sorry. He's this is the thing I don't care if someone gives him the title or not He's earned it, especially when he tossed the shield away that shit was like that's it You've done it the fact that you you are getting you're taking it away in favor of other people's lives like oh, you've done it, boy Yeah, yeah that it's It was one of the tiny good is one of the few little isolated good things in the show Was this the symbolism of dropping the shield Representing captain america so that he could be better So that he it's it's it's you know, he in in rejecting being captain america He he's become more worthy to become it pretty pretty clear stuff Um clearly lost on this guy. I suppose like a lot of things probably are Just because you have opinions doesn't mean you should make them public, but Oh, well as people put it out. He was almost pretty much as good as cap without the serum like yeah Yeah, and someone said he jumped on four grenades and none of them would does I don't know It's it was silly to make him hate three medal of honor winner because like essentially almost impossible In terms of what you would have to have done as a human being to have gotten that However, that's what he has which means that tells us a lot about who he is and what he's done. Yeah He's pretty legendary and if there was someone to be captain america that'd be who it is Yeah Then this sudden shift in character would be fine They honestly made him rip off his wings and he could have beat the shit out of him But he didn't he just said they made him too unlikable. What are you talking about? These are trying to no, no, that's you you decided that he was unlikable regardless of what you saw And also they're attacking the fuck out of him in this scene. So like yeah, I don't really have a problem with him fighting back Like if this is a claim of like see how unlikable he is attacking our protagonists I'd be like are you five like seriously? Yeah, but he's the protagonist is like, oh, yeah, you you really are five. Yeah Yeah As far as we want to go with that one They honestly made him too unlikable for his own good if the plan was to redeem him It would have made so much more narrative and thematic sense if he was the one to kill carly Yeah, I can agree with that Yeah, it would he deserves it. Yeah, he deserves the kill He deserves to be the one that stops the horrible terrorists from killing more and more people. Yes It makes sense that the hero gets to do heroic things. Yes, that would be yeah I'm glad we've agreed with him finally Not fucking Sharon But like he would view that as bad remember? He thought the show was going to have him killing her and that it would show that he's a psycho who needs to be stopped Well, he he did add the qualifier that what makes him insane the important part is the serum The serum would be what makes more convincing not the act of killing her just for clarification At least that's what I got from him from being as best faith as possible So uh, theoretically we could I think from his perspective we could have had walker kill her And not be insane. I think he's suggesting that would be a redemption form But again doesn't need redemption and I think yeah him saving all of the people in the in the armored truck I don't know. That was pretty legendary as a move just saying Yeah, um He came there to get carly, but he chose to say yeah, it's pretty Pretty clear But I think the point he's trying to make is that this would be like villainous for him almost but It's hard hard to nail it down because hard to tell with this is such scattered thoughts It's no repercussions from sam for this despite how big of a deal he makes out of carly's death They really botched both walker and charon's characters and it they know Everybody except for walker and the Lamar. Yeah, what a real fucking position to take They're the two people that I have the most culprits to say outside of zebo And he's like they're the two people he ruined it's like well No, charon's acting completely consistent from what we can tell with what's happened to her or who she may be Uh There are a couple of questions that we'll have as soon as we find out exactly what her goals are Um, I think there's some in the season already, but then walker The only thing I don't like is how the show treats him not who he is Yeah, he is an incredible guy that the show is trying to treat like a bad person and it shits all over Like we don't get any closure between these three Like that's bizarre Don't you guys think his outfit is really awkward in terms of like, you know how you can it's shit If you so utility wise, right? If you want to take the goggles off you still got this weird like Thing like I don't even know if you can take it out You're like what if I swear to god if I will hit you with a newspaper if you say it's comic accurate So it's very weird and I don't know why I knew what and talk about tactical like so fucking bright Yeah, it's it's really bright and it's such a bad-looking suit it looks It looks really dumb Who commits to practical no who commits to a third mask? like Yeah And also shouldn't you have like if you're falcon, right? You're a character who Flies around and stuff you should probably have a full mask on so that if you're flying through the air You don't want to have anything hitting your face. You don't want to have Because you can't speak if you're flying through the air it shows that but that's not how Universe works you'd have to be yelling and screaming and they probably wouldn't hear it So you need to have a mask on all certainly you have to have a mask on if you go too high Talk about pressurization and stuff, yeah But this is just So like so the rocketeer had a better outfit Yeah, uh, I'd say a lot of a lot of people have better outfits I I'll go as far as saying this one was shit and I was a little embarrassed when I saw it I just I saw a lot of people saying are still comic accurate and I was like, all right I don't know. All right. That's a condemnation of the comics, but okay Have fun in that suit again baffling decisions in terms of Uh design and application, but you know what that's not important because I'll tell you one thing guys We're gonna see him probably shoot and beat the shit out of all kinds of bad guys And there won't be a drop of blood on that white suit Not ever because he's a good guy So that's when you're a good kind of blood. Yeah, the blood doesn't exist Wonderful it drags down. What's otherwise a decent enough finale. I actually like Not and I like how it still felt applicable to the real world despite the Wow Talk about it's attached. This Is the kind of guy who could put a jock strap on backwards How do you say any of this? He's like a broken crayon. Like how did you get to this point? You're supposed to be really simplistic It's actually like a it's it's like a kindergartner Is is talking that's what this speech is. It's like an idiot Like they even make a point about how he doesn't know anything And that's supposed to be a positive Oh, man, maybe that means I'm right I can't believe that's the dialogue. It's actually terrible It's so awful It's so And not even going into how like preachy it is and insulting it as to anyone who has a brain Which is why the chafferless likes it But just talking about the context of it within the show And it was why are we all here? Oh, yeah Because crazy evil terrorists wanted to burn a bunch of people alive so that they could get something They want that doesn't make any sense and that we we should be immensely against Yeah, but It's like the the foundation of the argument from him is so I don't know how any of this works and that's You know what that's a that's a plus because I just don't get it And the guy's left it baffled like That of what you said is useful I don't know if you knew this but I can't use anything Jeffers gonna comment on that pig in the background. Oh, hopefully would that not be dude Imagine the kind of name he has for politicians because they're the worst or senators and and uh Anybody of any political ranking is like, oh Disgusting dink and chat is right the speech was the writer putting his character on a soapbox with a megaphone Just to tell the audience the message. Yes. It was fucking cringe is shit. What's so funny is the message is pathetic It's do better Useless Thanks. We'll all do better now do better guys I don't know anything But do better So when did So when Wakanda made him the suit did Wakanda make the suit knowing he'd be captain america Um, I guess uh, I can't remember if we discussed it But yeah, that's fucking hilarious because Wakanda do not like like any authority other than their own They don't share their technology at least not to this degree, right? I'm willing to believe that T'Challa's made efforts to try and like have Wakanda help the world But the idea that they make this fucking super suit For a person is like do they trust falcons like I guess they do I guess so Basically kill them earlier, but then it okay You have to believe as well that either falcon or the Wakandans designed this it wasn't it wasn't sorry Either either bucky or uh, the Wakanda's did falcon didn't have any You know say yeah Like what do you think he needs like this is It's like imagine being bucky and you get to turn in this one favor and you're like man He's gonna love this. It's gonna be the greatest flying suit ever and then he shows up in it and you're like, oh fuck Yeah, either they designed it and bucky's like, oh my god. This is so embarrassing. Oh bucky designed this and then falcon's like Oh, man a little bit. Do you mind if I make a few changes though? I just Yeah, he opens it up and like oh Thanks You shouldn't have You have to wonder you'd be like is this like are you fucking with me? I was like, haha. I wear the stupid clown suit I just say no, no, no, that's a real thing. He's like Oh That's great, man. I love it. Um, and yeah, I find it utterly bizarre that shuri and a bunch of the other Sciencey people a role work in their asses off to create a suit for america like Fucking hate america in their own movie like colonizes. Fuck you all. It's like, yeah, but it's meant for black guys It's okay. It's like I need to see that because all black people are on the same side I mean, well to be fair I think that this show is really like it actually thinks that and the people who write this and like it They think that if you're of a certain skin color, you've already been genetically sorted into the team that you need to be on so Well, that's that's a rationalizer, right? The Wakandans were like Make a suit. No, we hate you colonizers and they go no this for a black man. You know The one who sold our ancestors into slavery. I don't think so We don't like we don't talk about that Well, Wakanda is specifically funny about that because they didn't help anybody. They just watched it Yeah During all the slave trading and the tribal wars and the yeah, they in case there's any confusion all the starving Black man. That's terrible by the way. I don't know if we need to be mentioned with that. Yep Turns out hey, it's it does the same thing that this show does where retroactively creating things that clearly didn't exist before He decided they did It's hard it's really hard if you had told me to write it out I've been like Jesus fucking cry you want me to create a whole civilization That's more advanced than anybody else and they decided to stay to themselves for their entire existence At least Atlantis is on the bottom of the ocean. So you're like Yeah, you can man better world building then. Oh my god I was gonna say the benefit you have is they can spread out But then they can also have devices to keep secretives. They want to leave the surface dwellers to themselves sort of thing Yeah, Wakandans. I got nothing. It's like they stopped expanding after the five tribes were taken over. It's like why It's like well the land wasn't there. It's like what do you mean? It would have been so much empty land They would have expanded anybody would it's like no that's colonize a talk Remember I got called a British like my britishness is getting to me when I was the same It would be british of you to want to like put another house next to your current house. You're like, okay all right You british it's not like human beings who originated from africa expanded across the entire planet Africa in the middle east I'm pretty sure isn't the general assumption that east africa is where human beings originated from Like the middle east is where civilization originated from like once, you know, the the uh, the neolithic Yes, it looks like humans first evolved in africa and much of human evolution and crime I thought oh, I thought that was just known. I thought everybody knew that Well, I didn't know if it was there or like the middle east area I just didn't know the middle east is where mainly um where like the the agricultural revolution happened That was like where the fresh yeah, that's probably where the civilization's popped up Yeah, that's right. I was thinking super important area. Someone's had by the way Why is so much of his head exposed? It's like, I think the war card does want him dead So we can stab him We will leave the weakest point his brain right on off or they just gotta shoot him right Seriously, that would be my first question if I was given this suit Oh dude, is there like a head piece that comes with it that I have to attach or something? It's like nope Oh That seems a bit odd Uh feels like you want me to die That's fine Why don't they give him like a crazy black panther nanotech mask that can just Up on and off you'd think because they give him the cheap stuff if I'm flying through the air I want some I want a helmet, you know, yeah, I feel like a helmet would be good Oh, well, it's a really bad suit. You sounding like a colonizer. I'm not gonna lie I We should see the rockets here. I can't help but just think about The rockets here and how it's just fun. Let me pull up the suit from that and how it's just it looks It looks really goofy, but it's just better Let me get a good picture of it. I'm sure we'll get into it The list for all this happening was the big purple man collecting magic rocks It's cool to see the mcu taking in insane cosmic events like half the universe dying and coming back and showing us Oh my god Man oh fuck Showing us the repercussions by having basically barely addressing it at all and then the end is oh The borders are staying as they are and everybody's cool with that like that's the end of this Yeah, they do not want to commit to that There is they're not An idea of how we like take this sort of stuff when in Wanda vision They had one scene showing the chaos of people coming back in a hospital I was like, oh my god, could it be? We're finally going to address it the scene ends and you're like, I cannot wait for them to finally never again Yeah Just like the bucky flashback like oh, we well we you know, we've covered it now And now it's up to the audience to invent a whole bunch of shit that we never actually did It's like they actually go in depth to bucky's deep-seated PTSD and brainwashing and they explore it in detail in Wakanda, by the way They show what happened in Wakanda in the time we haven't seen him the connection he makes with the um I forget a name crazy Wakanda number one or two. I guess uh I or wasn't that the what's the first? No idea. So Uh, they will describe it as really and you finally see it and you're like, oh, that was like 30 seconds Hmm So it says in the comics Wakanda found out how to cure cancer and they didn't give it to the world Yeah, because one to suck Wakanda sucks and they're fucking evil. Oh god, that would have been so much worse Does that mean that Wakanda is basically those people from batwoman with the desert rose Also, I feel like there were yeah, I mean there I because it extends past medicine with Wakanda Uh, rock tea looks cool. I reckon. Yeah, it looks kind of steam punk It yeah, it yeah, it's because it takes place in the late 30s. I think is that steampunk or diesel punk? Uh, I think it's diesel punk. I think that's what this is. Yeah With like a lot of art deco influence It's it's neat. I really like it that looks cool I uh, I remember really liking it. Um, it takes place in 1938 yeah, so late thirties I don't watch this movie. It's good. Yeah. I well, I don't know if it's good, but it's very enjoyable I but I think there's definitely good stuff in it But yeah, I'd love to see the rocketeer again Anyway Yeah, like half the universe dying and coming back and showing us what its repercussions would be for ordinary people When sam No, no, it only uses it so that a black woman can't get a loan Well, accurately, it's he can't get it right falcon because um, if oh, yeah, they wouldn't give it to falcon either Because falcon could just get the loan and give her the money Oh god, it's so stupid, right? So fucking because if you watch it again like he says to falcon You've had no income for five years and so like they can't draw any kind of reliable Thing from that, you know how it works, right? Where they like to credit history and stuff and then she's like well, he's not been existing for five years It's like, yeah, this is a really fucking stupid thing to say I don't even know why the bank had said that at all because he would obviously know that falcon would have been one of the people Um, not to mention how just just systems in place always But the point is that falcon is trying to get this loan Meaning falcon is trying to use his money to support it meaning there shouldn't be a problem because he has loads of fucking money So Quick side note Um, it odd that we that I brought up the rocketeer because um He was the executive producer of captain america the first avenger and director as well The guy who played the rocket the guy who did the rocket here. Yeah, joe johnston Oh joseph egleston johnston the second which is his full name, but yeah, that's him He did them both Wait, when you say oh I guess he didn't yeah, because the russos would have taken over after it man, I guess Yes, oh, so oh, we also made drastic pop three apparently. Well ah well You know you can't win them all guys. Well, we can't all be john walker Yes That's interesting coincidence Yes Um, so yeah saying this was a great way to look into the effects of the blip. Nope Just just no this makes it seem silly This makes it seem like the the blip is not being treated realistically at all if they were doing that they'd say All right, so it shows you don't have any income for x years and like oh, yeah I was part of the blip and like okay Can you show me the card that you know just proves that you were blipped so that we know how to you know that's done Oh, okay, so you were blipped. All right, so don't worry about that I counted yeah, and then he'd talk and then she talked about her fucking failing ass business And then he'd be like, whoa, whoa, you want how much money? But you're not like you have a failing business You can't pay for things And then they'd say it's because she's black so yeah, they would be like wow look at you No money for you and then so like well I guess a lot of people think that banks are just charities who just give out money Well, you just go to bank. They just give you money. This is none of this is handled properly It's all very confusing because uh, obviously the bank wouldn't have operated this way It shows like a really weird lack of knowledge on their part but then also that falcons shouldn't be in this position in the first place and then um The world itself like like banks don't just Well, you kind of just yeah, you went into it like they don't just give you money It's a lot more complicated than that You actually have to prove a lot of different things because if it did just give it to everybody They'd be fucking bankrupt Those are there's no reason they shouldn't are you insane? No reason banks shouldn't give people money What? Um I hope that's not what I hope I don't someone said that in chat I don't know if they're referring to the bank thing. Hopefully not There's a lot of reasons a lot of people think that money is just a magical thing that people Who have a lot of it can just give away to people who don't have it The funny thing is we really need it to mean something otherwise things will get real bad There's a couple of events in history that involve making money meaningless Yeah, yeah, anyway, yeah, so that's why it's called a loan and not just a gift Is what I mean all of it's non-functional and it's it's like a really shitty writer being like look banks are stressed And now that's causing stress for other people I can imagine yeah, if you're a big bank and like imagine what the good because pretty much all banks will be under fdic and if you have half the people that so As far as I'm aware after the this happened after the the black plague Where you lost a lot of people but the amount of money in the world stayed the same So that does a lot with like value of money and stuff like that So take that and exploderate it to level 9 000 Where the same amount of money exists Half the people on the world disappear Now that's where I'm bringing Hoffman back Yeah, and how to govern how to how to There's I can believe that the world would still remain functional But you got to show that to me You got to show it because there's a lot of work that you got to do But they just don't they they it's almost like they bring it up whenever it just might be convenient You know and then they say see we didn't forget about it and then it's like this guy like see they're they didn't forget about it slightly tangential Thing to think about in relation to how that things get affected, but like I'm assuming this might be I can't if we've discussed before if it's in freeze script as well but If the avengers had gone to whatever governments were in place Before they unsnapped and said we're going to do this the government would be like Yeah, so we're going to need months to prepare for this if not more. Yeah um, yeah, I I would I wouldn't be surprised if after the blip governments pretty much Yeah, local governments would probably take Control at least temporarily like there would be a lot more focus on local governments instead of federal ones mm-hmm I think there would probably be big shake-ups in terms of It's too much to even really get into like the the amount of implications is insane And then to have all that happen and then five years later Maybe you're starting to get back to you know some level of decent work ability And then they all just reappear again and you're like, are you fucking kidding me? We just did all that work and If They They are not ready to deal with the implications. What they're ready to do is every once in a while mention that it happened It's just it's imagine being told like say you'd lost half your family in your house And like we're gonna snap back in a second like whoa, whoa, whoa, where how what's good? Do they know what state are they gonna be in like how do we start like hugging the wall? Like I don't teleport them into me, please I mean, you might have that worry you might even like Where they when they disappeared fuck I can't like quite remember Someone said in chat there'd be less globalism not more absolutely if half the people disappeared There would very much be okay y'all need to take care of yourselves because we've got our own shit to deal with Yeah, I think we can't be just yeah We can't be focusing on the other side of the planet when we've got all these issues at home. Yeah Applies for our bank loan and you can't get it because it didn't have any activity over the past five years Which is stupid which doesn't make any fucking sense If you came back if you're like if you're a rich person and you come back after being bliped for five years and you have Like a lot of solid investments and things like that. They're not going to say Oh, you were bliped for five years. So we're not going to give you any money They'd be like, okay. What was your history before the blip and then they would probably measure Like the change in the economy. So yeah, you did well before the blip, but now, you know, that's that's done What's looking at that's that's done So they'd measure that up It's probably a complicated process that they'd use because there's a lot of money on the line and they can't just give money away for free especially now So and that's the super interesting thing about the blip if someone let's say a full family was blipped out of their house and someone then Lives in it and makes a family over four years and then at the fourth year says to the bank Like can we now officially own this like no one's coming back? I'm like, yeah, okay And then the people come back. It's like what happens now I'd like to explore that but this show Oddly says do better It's like, okay It's like at the end of uh Kong skull island when the guy goes back after being trapped on the island and his wife has a husband Do better Yeah, that's what he should have said He's when he was dead. Yeah, that feels like something that would happen in the real world. No overall I thought no it does are you an idiot jesus christ God this guy's dumb How how would you put you'd have to work me through the logic of that is how it would work in the real world So The banks want to give people Money in loans that they know they will get back or they are confident they'll get back. That's how banks make money Yes, you get the money that you need at the time you need it and the bank in exchange gets a little bit more than what they loaned you all right yep so So then the bank exists to continue giving loans to people so it's kind of so banks are kind of great Banks are fucking tits. All right in this demonization of them. Well, it's it's like pigs, right? Just like there's just pigs. There's only bad people cops. Rival. I mean bank banks banks are Thanks Yeah, thanks. Let's start calling them banks. I think banks are yeah useful uh as a As a like thing that there is there's such a great bad guy though Oh, the well the problem well well well a lot of banks do unethical things Sure, absolutely like as banks fundamentally are a pretty useful institution But the problem is that there are a lot of banks who do you know, like using your money to fund fossil fuels Like that's that's not such a fun one But like the utility of banks and loans and stuff is super useful But this show is just banks are bad Well, it's very reductive simplistic takes on uh on really complex things Well, and he's celebrating that Like he's like nice. You you said that the bank was a dick to the black people. It's like That's it It doesn't matter about your fuels friggie. Uh, all right We've got to be moving out of fossil fuels eventually. Otherwise we're going to be in trouble Yeah, we have to Banks is better than piggy banks Banks For a bank loan and you can't get it because he didn't have any activity over the past five years when he was dead Yeah, that feels like something that would happen in the real world. No, it doesn't make any fucking sense It was neat and it warranted being a series rather than a movie by taking the time to humanize its protagonists Did do that it unhumanized people like you think walkers Walk like an evil person and you talk about how to show humanizes characters Like you're dehumanizing cake. You have to humanize all the cops by calling them pigs God damn it man Like he talks about how much of it like a demon walker was And simultaneously like well, at least we've got like it's it's taken the time to make humans out of bucky and falcon Where bucky wasn't interesting in the films you've seen up to now I have like the reverse take on all of that Like a genuine like not even trying to be Jesus christ. I concluded all of the reverse takes. How did this happen? Someone said do they mention why they don't just go to another bank? They just say that it's all the same everywhere Yeah, she he says like we'll try every bank and she's like why are you so obsessed trying to make this work? Or some shit because she's a horrible person too Yeah, she shit fuck her um But yeah, I feel if you're a bank and then half of your customer base just reappears from nowhere Yeah, like I don't know man Might not be that bad And give them some deserved endings. I wouldn't mind the season two since I'd love to see more of sam and bucky working together No, fuck that. I want to I want them to Fuck bring it back. They should bring back lamar with a magic bullshit And then have him go on adventures with walker because I don't because they don't fucking care So I don't care any yeah, they don't give a shit I don't care either lamar comes back as a fucking hero and him and john walker go out and they save the world together We see I I saw the deleted scene and they've left it out to leave it up in the air But I know this will be true. Okay, so when walker picked up the one vile It was actually two. We just didn't quite see the other one. He popped together and when he was oh, yeah They're both super soldiers. He stabbed lamar with with the syringe That's why it's a delayed reaction because he was kind of dead But it's working its way through his body and he's he's on he's in the morgue right now But he's about to go He's gonna be alive and well and those two are gonna be Lamar is eris Yes I don't care that it's from dc put him in it just make a portal that takes you to the dc universe Put him in it. It's guarded by an old confederate general Whatever the fuck it was like armstrong custer Yeah, you're right. It was they told us it was supposed to be joda hex. That's supposed to be who it was Jonah hex Oh my goodness To see a witch like um, wanda No, he's probably a wizzy. He has hexes or maybe a sorcerer or a warlock or a mage They're all different remember Yep necromancer Necromancer, yeah, oh it makes that makes more sense because lazarus pit necromancy Yeah, get away from my necromancy pool my juice of zombiness Yeah, you're working together though. Honestly who the fuck wants to see john walker return to I do I do yeah, he's a hero. He's a fucking hero. He's a good person. He deserves better from this world I guess amazing. I want more john walker So This is something I find interesting about the process of making a review I've been over it before um, and I know that there's like the two modes I think there's there's obviously space in between but like seems to me there's two modes a lot of people will say I want to write mine Without influence from like other people's perspectives to get mine solid and then I wouldn't mind checking out other people's opinions See what see what happened. I'm the reverse mode where I'm like, I want to write mine And then I want to check out what everyone else was thinking see what uh, I maybe didn't pick up or see how people have interpreted this like beyond my own pov and um Thing is I find that the the the mode I go with typically leads you to a script That's a little bit more aware of of the meta rather than simply your own perspective And it can also lead you to get a bit more on your own perspective Because say for example, I look at reviews I've seen the show and all of them say this all of them say like how the fuck would anyone like walker? Who the fuck like what why would you even want to see anything more with him? I'd be like well, I'm gonna add to my script now But I think it's really odd that everybody hates this guy when and then I'd have a sequence explaining exactly what I think He did that makes him an upstanding Citizen and I just be like, yeah So I think people are a little bit biased on this one They're not really looking at the events as that's how they happen and maybe that wouldn't be in there And I simply would have said yeah I really like walker can't wait to see what happens next and I know the people listening be like you insane You should have qualified that way more because I you know, I would know what people Have issues with I don't think he uh, he had any idea how much people like walker Uh when making this I guess or maybe maybe I'm Are we a minority? Like I don't I don't know You know the more I hear twitter talk about media the more depressed I feel so I just don't do it But yeah, you know if you watch I'm pretty pretty darn confident that I'm correct so Not a not a huge push for me to You know And so and so if what uh, you know, you're making your breakdown Sometimes worthwhile to see what other people are saying because you might be shocked in terms of like holy shit People had a problem with this. I guess I'll talk about why it's not actually a problem is uh, yeah, I He thinks like oh see more of walker. Oh and we're like Nah, I'm on board Though honestly who the fuck wants to see john walker return as a good guy. Is there a single person that wants What do you mean wait? What do you mean return as a good guy? He was always a good guy. He never wasn't an amazing person. No, you're wrong because the music went It was all like oh no What's great is because when you have when when you put CGI blood on the weapon of the person That means they're bad And then the marvel mcu Movie line, but when you have wonder woman Punching people into walls and their head blood brains goes against the wall That's good So what I what an interesting just what an interesting world. What a planet What a what a species almost sapiens man. They're Yeah, they're they're uh, what a bunch. Yeah, what a bunch that does anyone want to root for this man? Yes, I already do. Yeah Yeah, he's amazing already about what I want to root for him. I just do because I feel it's the right thing to do He's a good person. I'm just naturally attracted to good people. Yeah Ever it's a good show could have been great if certain elements of the finale weren't entirely botched Which sounds a lot like wandavision, huh? I mean this show's finale was better than wandavision's finale and so was the show I guess so. Yeah, but that's not that's not a hard bar to clear wandavision's finale It's like the worst thing ever. This for dali was better than This made sense sort of kind of like in a logic kind of way Yeah, in the sense that a connects to b connects to c even if it was poorly Whereas wandavision, it's like a now we're on f and now we're back to b And then z and then we're on three We don't recognize Yeah And he is yeah, he did kick the chair someone mentioned that was pretty cool. That's true. That's right. That's true. Yeah No as a whole I'd say I'll give it a seven out of ten It had its great moments, but it didn't quite stick the landing I did like the part where bucky tricked the flag smashers by hacking into their app and getting them to come to the wrong Look, it was really fucking dumb that she gave him the flag smasher phone that allowed them to do that That's what we did bring up in our coverage. I completely forgot They were all like blown away by bucky having one of their phones and having access to the information. They fucking gave him it Oh All you had to do was give him a phone that wasn't connected to them other than being rung if you know what I mean Hey, let's give him an actual flag smasher phone Yeah, just give him a random phone and call that phone's number also carly not tell anybody's even more hilarious It's like she was sabotaging them. I'm gonna get out of this, but you guys won't But not you guys. Okay. What a thing to praise. It's like Yeah, it was really stupid location They probably shouldn't have trusted that app and should have used their own website in order to communicate with each other But they should have used their own website like no, no, they should have used like just Phones burner phones. I'm confused. Yeah. Now. I'm like wait. There was a flag smasher app that you could download Is that what you're suggesting right now? Oh How fucking stupid would that be like we're gonna have a flag smasher app It has all the information about where we collected what operations we do is you for real Could have made website why yes indeed there is and that service is called square space No, you know, we're not watching you add this was so I feel so I will say so that's kind of a condemnation of square space I feel like he really hasn't earned this It's like we've already had like five minutes and it's been really wonky. It's like now it's not bad Claim claim assertion claim claims no evidence bad first impression. Like man worthless video Everything's wrong and he's not even trying to like convince you of it. He's just saying that's the case man That was I really hated that one actually like that was not fun at all. That was painful yeah Isn't yeah, I guess because I'm just scanning through is like the rest looks like it's just add Yeah, I think that's it because we got a fourth of your video I know it's it's unreal that you would have more than that if for a five-minute video Because you had one of a little one in the beginning and now the last two minutes are an ad Like people can just crap out these shitty videos And they don't give a fuck And then people who work really hard. Yeah Yeah, and then people who work really really hard to get all their information correct and they edit their visuals And their fucking sponsor doesn't have a blurry jpeg that you pulled off of google images Like this guy doesn't give a shit That was like five. Yeah five minutes. You probably wrote that in an afternoon No, he wrote it in half an hour and you got an ad I like Man this video from conception as an idea to finished and posted on youtube was like 90 minutes All right. Well But this feels so funny to say is like at least now On xlad is gonna be good all high top. Um, oh at least you'll have Genuinely production values are gonna be way higher You will actually have a point to make and it's gonna be From I do believe it comes from his heart, you know Instead of it just being like better do a video on falcon winter soldier because that's the thing people are talking about I guess so You know what and it's called the falcon and the winter soldier my favorite. Um Before we move on someone told me about this So, yeah, I guess this happened while we were Doing our e-fap thingy Oh Do you want to read it out? Sure, so spark the light bulb commented Dude revise your script every point is a vague assertion or stating your opinion with no supporting evidence to back them up Or explain why you feel like that Two minutes 19 seconds a real revolutionary elaborate give examples from the show You're just stating something it feels like this through all seven minutes. It's really five So shaffer less productions responded He said what are you my english teacher? I appreciate the constructive criticism, but try phrasing it a little less condescendingly next time Revise your comment Otherwise, no just do better And then a different person trevor coil said or you could you know Take the constructive criticism instead of calling him condescending so you can ignore it I love when people say like who are you x don't give me criticisms I don't know fucking post things on the internet then you posted it and you will happily accept when people suck you off And tell you how awesome your stuff is but then you get really pissed off anytime anybody has anything negative to say I didn't ask for your opinion. It's like yeah, you did you put this on the internet You have a comment your comment section is open press their thoughts. Yeah, if you don't sick people doing that Why do you think that people aren't going to give you their opinions anyway? Like What what is it go touch grass? You know Yeah, go touch the grass. That's right. Go and touch grass So, um When the director said that the goal was to get people to like john walker by the end of the season Which for us is like well, obviously we liked him before that anyway He in response to this said I am lowering my score to six out of ten This guy's a fucking moron I don't even know anybody who's allowed Analyzing content the reader response theory. No, it's death of the author's theory death of the author's I always mix up death of the author He applies that to make it worse because because someone said something outside of the show He's now lowering the score. It's like it's almost It's like the thing I said about the eight cab thing. It's like it's true Here we are dude. This is unreal This is insane. He does all of the bad tropes of like dumb rich humors He he gets angry when people criticise him. He doesn't make any points at all And like doesn't edit his video hardly everything's like blurry and shitty. He doesn't have any references Yeah, it's he just he falls for what the show's trying to get him to feel instead of actually thinking with his own brain He does all the things. Yeah This really is one of those quick like examples of point to a horrible video that It's like the inspiration for why we do what we do like what are we fighting against and this is such an easy example Because it's short a third of it's a fucking ad And it's all wrong As the colon said She's like a real revolutionary. That is such a statement. You're like, what are you referring to specifically? I would actually like to know it's like You can probably now what are you? Do better I feel sorry for your english teacher. Yeah. Yeah, like clearly she failed I like the idea now of a youtuber just called the english teacher who goes around criticizing people's word choices in youtube videos Hey, and some people are saying oh man, I used to really enjoy. I'm sure he's got some good videos So much like phil manto of which we have covered three times now. It's like i'm more than willing to believe that Chef frillis may have some good videos Uh, maybe that wasn't maybe that that one was one of them. Yeah, that one felt like he fucking walked that in like he did not care He was just like like tripped in like he he fell in limped in sort of he fell down the stairs in Yes, yeah He fell out to the end. Yeah, he's face down on the ground, but he's holding up a thumbs up I made it. So next up we have the falcon and the winter soldier my favorite mcu movie in years Man, my god That's quite the praise and uh, the thumbnail has favorite with with falcon on it So hi top. What have you got for us, buddy? Please give me something. Yeah, it's gonna be fun Hey, how you doing you're doing good. I really hope so listen. I didn't doing well. Well doing well doing well Yeah, now we now you could say are you doing good and the answer should be yes because you know Hopefully you're not a bad person. However Doing well. Oh, I see not finish one call me upon call me an idiot call me a hack But it wasn't what you're doing I was about to say what are you trying to get your money's worth out of the lights? I've seen um yourself. I've seen enough high top to know this is unusual. He doesn't usually No, the lighting isn't unusual. That's totally high top, but the the choice to have Yeah, like like he's describing, um He's talking about something in a particular tone and then he's got his face to represent like and do we get that's a That's a new addition. Let's see how it goes. I guess I did not finish Wanda vision call me upon call me an idiot Call me a hack, but it wasn't for me. It started out for me Then went in a direction that wasn't for me and I started rewatching What is this? What is this? What is this attempted style? I'm not a good style. This is an attempted style What's this? Who did you kill? I can't go fucking five seconds. Jesus. This why would you make this decision? What are you trying to tell me like from a creative standpoint? I could explain their eyes. He's crying blood from how bad Wanda vision was Then why is the blood coming from like not his eyes? I was gonna say it looks like someone smeared something on you not that you cried it just fyi. I don't know what Is that what he's going for though? Because yeah, we wouldn't do the crying thing You would have just dropped it on the corner of your eyes and let it fall where it may but that wouldn't have been This almost looks like war pain What is this? He's going to battle. He's gonna battle with his lights Oh god, he's such a little he's a little trooper. You do you buddy. All right. Let's see. What else we got I did not love far from home broke me. I did not love any game I did not love infinity war and I did not love Thor Ragnarok, and I don't remember. Oh my god All right. It's funny as he started like far from him shut up. It's like Yep, I'm a book with that infinity war. Uh ragnarok. Okay. All right There is a lot to like in infinity war for how broken the plot is There is a lot to like an infinity war and ragnarok Lot of good stuff going on. I mean so he just doesn't like what do you want? I'm not even sure that I believe him. I know it's a strange thing to say But I could have sworn that he liked that like at least I know he didn't like add in game, but I don't know But ragnarok is everything he likes. It's a director focused zany different from what it's not cookie-cuttered From the studio, right? So he should like it. I'd be curious to know what yeah What I want to know is captain model position is as well I love Thor Ragnarok, and I don't remember dick about captain marvel or ant-man the wasp Honestly, you know what it's fair enough Yeah, I don't remember. I know I've seen ant-man and the wasp But I know basically nothing about it fringy far from home isn't good So the most important thing is that it's better than uh winter soldier. That's the most important part Yeah, duh, of course it is That's the only thing that matters. I don't need to prove that that movie is good. I just need to prove that it's better than winter soldier Which is it gonna be? Yeah winter soldier is fucking filled with issues. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, for people who are gonna be upset with you say that the point he's making is that he doesn't believe that the mcu is being treated fairly All of the iteration. Well, no, I don't think so at all So he's gonna he's more than happy to concede on whatever floors are gonna be in far from home But that it will rise up with their off-laws. Yeah, but again for every edith There's like six of those in in winter soldier. So you have chosen death Oh, yeah It's the biggest problem in far from home. Oh, yeah winter soldiers. Yeah, it's worse Like now's not the time I'm just gonna keep throwing it out until we get to Yeah, we'll get there one day. Yeah Don't worry guys. No, there are this this will be the thing to break our perfect streak. No Um, yeah chat you may not be aware of this But just the three of us not including all of the people across the e-fab universe There are hot takes everywhere that haven't even been shared. There are so many hot takes You're not ready for some of these hot takes. They're like a tidal wave. They're gonna hit you You need to have blanket You have to wrap yourself in your blanket and rock yourself to sleep when you hear some of these takes They're so scorching. They're so they're so toxic Yeah, there's all kinds of things about they are sulfuric acid takes. They are supernova takes They haven't even told us. Yeah neutrons that takes I mean that was nothing. We still have you know shadowy cavaliers to talk about and we haven't even Guys, we thought to discuss those things. So we thought Aquaman was bad. Okay. Are you ready? That's a hot take fucking kill me Well, I know that it was it was when it came out. I think loads of people were like Aquaman's awesome I think I think the take is it's really stupid, but it's fun Like but but I think I think that's still like the hot take is no you don't understand how stupid it is Like it's not it's not stupid in the way you think like you think it's stupid with the bongo drum playing octopus It's stupid in that like nothing makes sense at all that octopus is like the best part of the movie Okay, it's a fucking legend. Yeah. I want to watch Jimmy Neutron Perfection film perfection Maybe the it might be the the objective Perfect movie. Yes. I would say it's my favorite mcu movie in years Jimmy Neutron. I love the Jimmy Neutron cinematic universe I John Walker is like ultra lord Yes, yes Anyway, take it away high top go for it the mcu and I have not been on the same wavelength since my dead decrepit Soul was blessed by guardians of the galaxy. He did the thing it was flashing this time He was looking up with the blood paint on and the light was flashing on and off Don't you get what it means somebody was I like the idea that somebody was standing by the light switch doing that Oh, yeah, that's totally what it was. It's gonna look autistic I guarantee when he was writing he was like so I want to evoke a sense of like me almost being lost in the In the horrors of like media oca superhero movies But then volume two like guardians of the galaxy comes out and it's like a little ray of sunshine that kind of flick is on me How could I represent? Oh, I got it. Oh Barry come over here. He's like, oh dreams. What am I gonna do? It's like a flick of the light do it Oh, jeez. Okay Okay, buddy. All you did not expect to vibe with to love or to feel much of anything when it came to the Falcon and the winter soldier the trailer made it look like more of the same You know what? I mean the trailer wish it would more now actually no Fortunately, it is the same now. I mean now. It's the same. This is what the same is now after Marvel and game one division with the soldier. They all sit in this one division winner. So yeah, that's like four Really bad ones in a row Not gonna count a dumb goofy fun buddy cop show with two pre-established supporting characters being stuck together for a comedic enjoyment And the great words of spite is the reason very much did not look like my cup of tea But ain't gonna lie and say that I wasn't curious about it wasn't intrigued from what are you doing? What are you doing? What is that? What is this? I want to I want to ask him So like from creator to creator, what do you want my brain to be thinking or be thinking of? When you put this in Why what's this what's this for? What what do you want me to think? Why can't it just be off rags? Why can't it just be an autistic choice? I like that this is But like even he would be like arts He'd say like art's supposed to invoke an emotion or a purpose or something and I just want to know what he wants that to be Not even if it pulls it off or not because it unless he's trying to be confusing Then I'm like spot on man. You know, I think we're supposed to be like almost A little bit high strung and sort of like going with the flow That's the attitude because he's describing how like he saw trains like and it doesn't seem like there's much reason to care about it And this is his the camera's sort of like look at high top as he doesn't necessarily care about it just yet I'm sure it's going to change as time goes on and the light will turn from blue to red or something Why was the plot on his face? Yeah, that's the thing with what ridiculous glasses, but I'm with falcon and winter soldier I know what they're trying to make me feel With this, I don't know what you're trying to make me feel You know likely a very much But I ain't gonna lie and say that I wasn't curious about it wasn't intrigued from a fault. Oh, I guess this is When he said curious, he tends his head like like, oh, what's this? It's it's curious. Is that my is that my blue light? Oh, it is. It's right where I set it up for the shot. Oh, there he is. That's like, oh my goodness gracious There you go. It totally lines up now objectively Are because this show had a hard task. Maybe the trickiest one that marvel studios is undertaken in a while No, that that would be the the trickiest thing that they've ever done was probably going from the end of infinity war to Endgame Yeah, and they managed to land and they fucking blew it. They they just said five years later. Oh, okay. Yeah All right. Well fat war gelling at people on fortnight That was art In the winter soldier had to make the falcon in the winter soldier real characters. No Bucking was already a real character. They just had to keep them going. So was sam. He just didn't have much going Yeah, to a lesser degree. Yes, but yeah, the word real. I'm getting a little tired of it. Go away Real revolutionary. Have y'all not been paying attention? Well real as opposed to what what were they before were they fake like what they're all fake It feels like um It feels like almost clickbait the same vibe. So like if you'd said more detailed characters That just doesn't sound as enticing as real characters Yeah, but it's more accurate. No, of course. That's not good enough. Shit He's got he's got paint to put on his face. He doesn't fucking care He doesn't have time to write his script when he's putting yeah, he's got important things to do Also, the fact that that's blue light the fact that it's red is real is red and character is blue I'm almost certain his light is turning red as this video goes forward Do you wonder if he ran out into the forest and killed a deer and gutted it to get the blood? No, he's not that man. He goes that far for his videos I bet Moller you had You made your light prediction. I'm gonna make a different prediction. All right somewhat similar though When he talks about john walker, he's gonna bust out the red light Oh, okay I was thinking then what do you want to try and have both lights on at the end for the last episode? Oh, are you talking about a blue light on one side and a red light on the other side? Oh my god, could it be? I bet you will the duality of america I don't I don't know if I'm I don't know if I'm gonna change my prediction to that or keep my original one I could do both. I would take that prediction. I think it would do red and blue on different sides Oh, I don't know Should we do a can we do a poll? Well, the problem is a lot of people will be able to check we have a jack so I think he will he's so obsessed with fucking lighting everywhere. I'm pretty sure red and blue will be on his face at some point He has red and blue here on the text. So maybe he's gonna try and recreate like the colors blue and red It's gonna be multiple things. I think the interpretation they see this is the duality of like america on america on the surface It's like blue, but underneath it's red like red with the blood of all the people Yes, all the black people they kill you see how falcon is kind of red and bucky's kind of blue with the what they're wearing Maybe it's just that simple. Yeah Oh, maybe it is maybe we're reading it too much He's an or two we can read in as much as we want. It's all intentional. Yeah, it's true He's probably happy that we're doing this. Oh, yeah this is what yeah I'm gonna go with the red light comes on when he talks about john walker. I'm gonna stick with that though It's who they both I think I think you're on point with it I just I almost think that he wants to have blue then red and then combo him up. Maybe uh Who knows guys we might get a green. I don't even know We're going on an adventure, but what would green like represent? What would it be for jealousy? It maybe that's to represent the grass touching Ah, well if you're merging red and blue then it would need to become purple, right? So his face Both of his sides Yeah, it's fake like if you merge them together is all I'm saying. That's what they mix into purple Maybe he'll argue that walker is like a mix of cap and evilness I don't think we're gonna get a purple light though. I think the blue will be on one side and the red Will be on one side and that's what we're gonna get. I don't think he's gonna make him purple Well, I can't wait to find out. So let's do it. I'm excited The falcon soldier had to make sam wilson and bucky barns real human beings Why is human in red? Real was red before but now real human Sorry humans red. Yeah, that is funny because if if he said what I meant by real was like human Like so why just say real human beings like what? I Damn it. They already had characters, but all right Certainly bucky by the way, it's really weird the people are like, oh this show finally big bucky characters like where the fuck were you guys like I'm not a real human big and they rip off a mask and they're robots It's like see we're one of the big three That's one of the big yeah the android fucker Joyously tweeted out as soon as I watched the first episode Holy fuck falcon and the winter soldier is my favorite mcu thing in years Vulnerable in human. Yeah, not like in far through home when spider-man is struggling to deal with the death of his mentor Just wants to go on a holiday and keeps getting Breakdown when he when he feels like he's not enough of a hero to save his You know save his friends He can't live up to that legacy and then he realizes he's just got to do his own thing That's not vulnerable or human That was iron man. That's the really count does it? Yeah, that's right That was uh, that was mcu product not like the product that was made to want to help disney plus get more subscribers Hmm. Yeah, this is much cooler Loved it. So you're getting the winter soldier is my favorite mcu thing in years It's vulnerable and human and I loved it. But before we dive into bird man and depress bucky the snow man I don't know All right give a big old thanks to babble for sponsor. Oh, no not another thing What's babble? Well, hey at least his logo is like clear and it's he's even got a little soup in going. 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I don't know how you learn languages I know people who learned all kinds of languages much quicker than having to move to any country or anything, but I'm saying that that's like a really quick way because you kind of have to You know, I was like forcing you to learn but um in app form. It seems really like Like almost you was like this. Where does this all right? You've done your app requested language learning for the day It's like this seems so weird If I only have 15 minutes a day to spare to something I don't know if learning a new language is going to be That thing, you know Yeah, I mean if you do, you know, then you do but I feel like that's requires more of a commitment I I would absolutely imagine that if you want to learn another language You need to make a really concerted effort to do it You need to be using it Like, uh, yeah, I think that's a big thing is You have to use it regularly. Otherwise you forget because I mean, I'm pretty sure that that's what happens, right? 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I don't know what it feels like to be able to think in a different language I am uh I don't either um, it's a it's a blessing and a curse to be an english speaker one everybody everybody Like has to speak your language kind of because it's english, but it means that everybody else learns a second language We are less cultureed Yeah, kind of probably yeah, I imagine there is something there Like europeans know how to speak english, but british people don't tend to know how to speak whatever language Like french or german We just don't have to we just don't have the pressure to yeah, we don't need to everybody else has to conform to us Because we're the the uh, yeah boy Anyway, see to fit into any busy schedule They even have a feature called babble live where you can join a live class online for an additional People aren't sick of that right now. I'm watching my shitty videos and I'll take a break from making them Please and we can both improve our minds are my god. What? 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Like you're kind of speaking it almost in the way that an english speaker would Yeah, there's like when I was uh, learning the russian stuff there would be notes about pronunciation and they would oh no it was an old um Have an old friend learn french book from like the 40s or 50s It's super old and there were notes in there about when you're pronouncing french That you need to make these certain pronunciations and if you don't They will understand you but you will have a distinct foreign accent So yeah, it's more like a note. They weren't even saying like definitely don't do it They're just saying if you do this you will sound like you have a foreign accent. So yeah, like not rolling your r's in spanish Yeah, that would be one like an example. Well, like you guys like I hate rolling ours. That's pronouncing this word really hard I can't I low Well, yeah, yeah, that would be the that would be the standard way to do it But there's like it would betray a sense like wait a minute. 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He was emailed. He looked into the app for a day and then he made the ad Okay, leave him alone. He was he doesn't actually give I don't think he actually gives a shit I don't think he cast a learn french I just like the fact that it's like you gotta buy it now And you gotta buy six months because you'll get another month free or whatever the fuck man six How much is it cost because I couldn't I couldn't vouch for this If I got an email I'd be like I can't vouch for a language learning software I don't have the time or that much of an interest in learning and hold another language right now I can't vouch for it. What if it's got reviews? So you get six months three but six months. It's 12 99 in australian a month. So that's 77 like I oh matt and I bet it auto renews at the end of that year too Probably but I guess what I'm getting confused at is you can you can get 12 months for 999 australian a month And that's half price like you get it gets cut in half of what the actual price is So is this promotion like literally just the same as the promotion that they have on their website anyway? Well, maybe you gotta put in you have to put in code blue light And then you get like 10 off or he gets a small percentage of that, you know kickbacks or something That's some two elements to these ads that I always find is like if there is a constant special offer So, you know, it's just always a time to buy but also that let's say they start out and they go for our Widget we're gonna charge 10 dollars and go. No, no, no charge 20 and put it on a special offer of half off Okay, that's like the smarter thing to do whatever But yeah, check it out chat. You can learn french You can you can learn? Yeah, allegedly. I mean we don't we wouldn't be able to tell by him He's not he's not what we what we call selling the product. He's not doing that But is always free So if you want to get a head start on learning a new language or if you just want to brush up on a language You already know click on my link in the description. You'll be supporting the channel and learning a fantastic skill Thanks guys, let's be real here. You hopefully know me well enough by now. If not, what are you doing? Are you lost? Oh my god, look at the description of episode one of his podcasts. Oh The struggles of being creative Why is it all capitalized each word capitalized? It's a sentence You know, let's do that. It's also there's also bad grammar john graves john bullock. Sorry john graves josh bullock france francesco Demi and high top alex discuss many things in this podcast rebate period no space is art a product KFC gaming machine And there's no gap between that dark. You see that there's a period in the next sentence to kfc gaming machine period yeah, and then the w And then after stash But he does it after the question marks is it what what? Is it bad that his logo is calm shoe Like specifically converse though, right? Like an actual like not a custom shoe at the very least like your own It's he's got he doesn't have the logo on the shoe. So I think it's safe, but it is odd Yeah, I'm not like really being critical beyond just like wouldn't you not want to do that wouldn't you want to do something else? All right struggles of being creative that's such a fucking meme description How to how to how to substitute lights and head motions for creativity That is creativity you ass Jesus That's now on Spotify that as soon as they showed sam wilson getting denied alone in bucky barns having ptsd having so Oh, when he was saying that I thought that was like his editing because it was blurry and I couldn't tell what was going on I thought that was high tops video not a from the Uh, there's oh right. All right. It's from the show represents ptsd. And yeah, uh, there's doing the thing We talked about they did it like once and now it's the thing that they did they did it, you know Not really, but okay They didn't but they wanted to and they tricked you into thinking that they did because you're a simpleton. So mission accomplished Thanks for the subscription So much self torches himself by having his only real world human connection be the father of some No, that's not that's just an expert on his list. He's also got that backwards That's he went to him because of that not that that turned out to be that way That's supposed to give him catharsis. It's not supposed to he's not torturing himself That's also not as How I'll listen to that again. I have such a horrible start So much self-hatred that he tortures himself by having his only real world human connection be the father of someone He brewed so he's saying he's torturing himself by having it be that his connection is the one person Whose son is also killed as well that I feel like you're all over the place Like he's here specifically to eventually reveal that he's just trying to muster up that curry at least that's the impression I got Because he's doing it with all kinds of different people on the list, this is just the next one And by the end of the season he does Which was a shame because we were thinking this is a actual friend of his that we might see later on and that might get developed and maybe they have a history and Or we were thinking this might be what if this was the guy from you know the asian guy from the first adventures He's looking kind of young, but you know, maybe who knows whether they get maybe Yeah, we got he could have been nondescript wall, buddy These it's a good question chat. Does he even watch the show do these people watch the show? I don't So you know how there's a difference between hearing and listening What's the is is is the visual version of that like looking and watching? Like they don't watch the show they look at the show presumably I mean Is there anything that directly contradicts his idea that bucky's doing this to torture himself? It's like I I guess there's nothing I can specifically reference but like I This is supposed to give him catharsis He's trying to he's trying to make up to do. Yeah, he's trying to do good things for other people I don't think he consciously is like I'll make friends with the father the guy I killed because I I need to be punished It's not quite what I think that they were going for but all right Oh, Patriot that he tortures himself by having his only real world human connection be the father of someone he brutally murdered as the winter soldier That I was gonna fuck with this show. Okay. I think Shooting someone in the face is the opposite of brutally murdering them. It's very quick and instantaneous and you don't even know what fucking happened I guess I was most secondly. What the fuck am I looking at? It's red now. We were all wrong. Damn it. Yeah, he's just brought red in bringing the red with john walker But he's just bringing up the red out of nowhere blue is like you get blue is apathetic red is excited. I think yeah So That's how creative he is. Yes You never know what he's gonna do. I well, I love to interpret. You know, that's that's me. Yeah I mean, I can make this entire video about how cool it is that the mcu is finally giving us a relatable Hero who has financial what what? We haven't had a relatable hero with financial I gotta sit you down there. Hi top. We gotta have a conversation. So holy shit This is the thing about storytelling. Okay for all and this is for you as well chat Spider-man having money problems. That is how spider-man is done. You have to have him have money problems But he's like besties with a billionaire. It's like, yeah Well, he has to have money problems like Okay Maybe we could do other issues for spider-man because that's really not an option. I don't care spider-man has to have money problems like Fine, uh, that's not happening. And so everybody's very upset about that. Okay. They're like, no bad bad bad. All right moving on Falcon let's give him money problems. We wanted them in spider-man, but now we've got them in falcon It's like, well, that doesn't really make sense He's besties with a billionaire and a whole team and he and we went through like seven billion reasons Why you should have loads of money? It's like you can't do that because it wouldn't make any sense Like we're doing it anyway And what do you get anyway because you get celebrated? Yeah people saying nice. That's a real problem. It's down to earth That's very honest. I love it. It's like didn't make sense Whole fucking reason you can't have spider-man have money problems right now is because it doesn't make sense Neither does it make sense for falcon But you celebrate it because you consider that to just be the way that they should do it It's fucking shallow as hell. And I love the fact Fucking shows spider-man as an example of someone who's just not Relatable with everything he goes through at home coming a far from home Fascinating Very interesting If you want more information on that check out Jay Axie's response to high tops video on far from home Fucking obliterates him. It's great And even high top was like, hey man, it's my opinion and jay covers that wonderfully in his video With this show I mean I can make this entire video about how cool it is that the mcu is finally giving us a relatable hero Who has financial trouble to relate so if we wanted to edit this Then wouldn't we just show the falcon like shooting machine guns and dodging missiles flying through helicopters? Because if we can do that with our spider-man editing of him running up a wall and jumping over an explosion Pretty sure we can do that with falcon and now i'm wondering if the edit is supposed to mean spider-man is relatable But he doesn't have many problems while falcon is relatable and he has many problems or Is he saying I want relatable characters and he shows spider-man as an example of a non relatable character And then shows falcon which is insane to me Yeah, now i'm i'm not sure but the reason why I thought he was saying he was unrelatable because I know he Fucking hates far from home like he actually hates that film. So Yeah, now i'm confused. I'm not actually his bad taste. Yeah But remember he's not you know, he learned that hating is wrong with uh, what what's that stupid snotter cut Oh, right. Yeah, but Yeah, but but he's well allowed to hate the spider-man one because he person You know if you personally don't like seeing really shit batman and superman just get over it But if you don't like seeing actual legitimately good spider-man, that's just different from what you like then uh, You know, it's okay to hate I was made aware that something happens in this video that's uh very possibly directed directly at us Oh It's it's uh, he flashes text on the screen at some point. I'm obviously i'm keeping a lie out for it I don't know when it comes up, but uh Someone shared it on the discord and I was like, why is it so blurry? It's because it's very small and uh We will we will try and account for that when we get to it, but um, okay I've I've read through it It's uh, I would argue is definitely a direct message to us It's gonna be really funny to get to it to read it out and then To show you one tweet he made the following few days because high top Not quite consistent on what he believes in he likes to claim That he has principles Doesn't really follow him and it doesn't come across to me as manipulative. It's more. So just he's he's still growing up He hasn't quite grasped what it means to actually follow through yet He'll get there even in bits of the video like he flip-flops on stuff He's changed if you remember we made beams before about him and brown table being like My work like three years ago Is that now and it's odd that the Being poor is what is real that's relatable if someone's poor you can relate to that but I can't relate to being poor Like not like actually poor. Well, yeah, I was about to say it really depends what we're referring to So like you could go as far as saying like a homeless person trying to exist without dying from starvation or something This is somebody who maybe a christmas doesn't get the new console instead. They get monopoly or something. You're like, that's Yeah, that's that I don't that's almost like, um Like because when I was growing up my parents were very Like they weren't I wouldn't say frugal, but they were very clear about we don't waste money You know money's something you don't only just throw away Don't just spend on anything you want, you know, I'd be a responsible spender think about it. Um Yeah, exactly. Um, but I Is he saying that black people have to be portrayed as poor? I think he's saying he has no business being poor. No, you just want someone who's who's poor He wants somebody who has money problems because I don't know that's that makes it good somehow even though it doesn't make sense That is is he really like successful in terms of views and stuff because I don't keep track of that Well, both he and brown table would we saw brown table do it in the last videos like I've been poor I'm sure they both say like I have actually I've been very poor um So they just want someone who's poor I guess I don't I don't know that like your material Circumstances are the most significant way in which you're relatable to somebody In fact, I feel like not at all right the human condition is a much more relatable thing in general If all he's doing is saying I liked it because this character is poor and we haven't had that before in the mcu as a Super hero and I relate to it. It's like all right then. I just think that the execution was his poor But we have caps caps America was kind of poor before he became captain America Um, I mean, maybe he you know, all he has to do is just say like I want more of that I guess Oh, yeah, but this ain't the first time for sure Yeah, I think the issue is if someone is a superhero, especially a public figure and a superhero I can't believe that they are poor No, and the reason why spider-man generally gets away with being poor is the idea that his identity is secret And he doesn't like work for anybody. He's a he's a lone operative. He's not really part of the avengers So he never gets paid. Yeah, he wouldn't do any of the things that we mentioned. He wouldn't make a youtube channel He wouldn't go on like tours. He wouldn't go on talk shows He wouldn't take contracts like falcon could do for all of these and does do But falcon work that that's why it doesn't work Tony's created a fund. He has created a fund that is going to pay for them for the rest of their lives. That's something he did Playtable is He might be he might actually be because um, I think he spends a lot of money on stupid things and And also like has to pay money for treatment surgeries and stuff And his you know, his his career right god's are great lately Yeah And by lately I mean like for several years Doesn't spider-man have a youtube channel in the homecoming. I think that's people catching him on their phones uploading it to you Yeah, he doesn't have it. Yeah Yeah, I don't think it's his no He'll struggle with their mental health who struggle to do the right thing for the world who struggle to do It's right for themselves struggle to do the right thing for the world more than anything They keep doing everything wrong. So Which is interesting because again, that's what homecoming is about it's about figuring out what it means to like Do the right thing. What does that actually mean? Why am I doing well in this our protectors watch their friends die while giggling? No, yeah, that's right. Yeah the first film I don't remember being broke They were not criminals. That's the main thing. They're not. Yeah, they yeah, they had money They had like ships and guns and stuff like that and they could go to places and do stuff I think it's the idea that they're not on top of the world is the important part like they're not Highest rollers in this society. Yeah, they want this huge payout so that they can retire and live in luxury forever Which even you don't have to be poor to want that or the Yeah, in homecoming. That's what it's about this but he also hates homecoming because high top hates all of it Like spider-man mcu Why does he have creator and in blue and showrunner in red? The showrunner means that's weird because usually the creator is the showrunner Like it's synonymous the person who has the created credit is the showrunner generally Well, I mean the the what's blue and what's yeah, it's over the blue. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's even more confusing Buddy because that scene and that moment ended up triggering every sorry Peter being broke is more important for leading to the person he becomes than anything else wrong What? What? Peter being broke is like the most quintessential part of spider-man's personality. No, absolutely. No, he has Oh, I'm not gonna get sidetracked, but oh Who struggled to do it's right for themselves. I can't really thank marvel or the mouse for that though What why did he show so why did he show falcon when he was saying that? So I think falcon accepting that what's right for himself is that he should be captain america I guess is that what he said? He said thank you for it and he'll do his best in in game Well, and I like that scene actually. I like it a lot. It's nice. Yeah, I like that But then this show forgets that actually yeah, he was really had misgivings because he's black like I didn't get that from the first scene Someone mentions wait ant man ant man ain't got money and isn't it That's right. Ant man does have money problems He needs to break into a bank because he can't get a job because because of his criminal record He can't get a job. Wow. Good job. Hi, Tom. How many movies is that now like four? Because I don't I keep forgetting ant man like is exists I keep forgetting to despite the fact that I really like poor rod as ant man Yeah, I like him as ant man. I just his movies are just this weird. They've exist in his memory limbo That's probably what he would say. He'd be like, I just don't remember out bad. So yeah, it's really That's your fault. Well, of course when I think about him. I think about him from civil war not from the two ant man movies True. Um, I would also want to say as well, right if he did say well, they didn't characterize it very well Because I don't remember it whatever I just be like, well consider this you can make this video everything He said so far about both ant man films if we were to watch it We can drum a ball of the references we need to be like absolutely so meaningful This character who's just trying to do right by his daughter. You just have to do the emotional delivery Talk about it. Mm-hmm stressful. It is Oh, and just like, yeah, can you please get on point like it's never about the actual things that happen It's just the thing that you decided was better Because you might be like, well, well, yeah It was like, well, no, I just mean his metrics are always they're never interesting He's always just like, I don't know this happened and I liked it like, you know Oh, someone made a meme that's relevant. Um, Dr. Strange did lose all of his money But it doesn't really present in the story outside of the initial portions of his training He didn't need it because he was in the koala lamp or whatever in shingra. Oh, and incredible hulk. You're right That's that's another one That is part of the mc. He ain't he has money problems. God. It's all it's like half of them have money problems Like I guess yeah, I didn't really consider it properly because of course I guess I just thought about thorn. I had better like get neither of them. Yeah, I was thinking about them too and um but no Oh that image. Yeah Yeah He's free realistic All right Good meme it's funny because that scene in that moment ended up triggering Everybody at marvel we were getting calls from kevin from lou from victoria from nate like everyone at marvel wanted input there I could make an entire damper Wait a minute. So that that kind of exonerates kevin flagey the idea that he called like wait a minute Why would he have money problems? Well, we don't know the context. What if they were calling to be like, what a great idea? I love it I think I think when he said triggered though, he means that they weren't happy about that scene Surely they would have known about it And that is a more classic definition of triggered like it it activated other people, you know, I mean Instead of either way you think that because it just it doesn't make any fucking sense. Yeah No, of course. Well, you know what? Maybe the original scene didn't have the line where it's like doesn't tony take care of this sort of stuff And he goes no, that's not how it works and they added that in just because the writers are like We just have someone say it doesn't work that way. There we go. Yeah, that takes care of it that fixes it I mean, yeah, it retroactively damages tony, but Fuck that shit He's he's dead and gone and a white male. So Shit on It's part of the machine, man 40 minutes We finally get to actually know and understand these two characters who have been on the big screen for over half a Fucking decade There's a really you say this like we didn't know that I know more about bucky from everything else than I do about this Show from this show. I kind of wish this show wasn't yeah Well, I don't kind of really yeah Goddamn everyone's inventing the shit they did for bucky way more in civil warfare Yeah, they're inventing the shit that they did for bucky and forgetting all the shit that they did for bucky Oh, you mean like all the bad shit they did for him No, I'm sorry like the fact that they didn't invent him for this show like we've seen him before I thought you meant like they're ignoring the bad shit in the show that they've done to bucky But I was like that's not even something. Oh, definitely. Yeah, that that goes outside. These people. Yeah, these people they they saw I don't always they saw they they looked at the show. They didn't watch This is how much faith I have left in humanity I know if I was talking to him like don't you think it's bad when bucky and falcon would giggling as john Was about to get killed by the uh, the Wakandans and he'd be like, well, john's an asshole I would just put my head down and be like Oh, you're a bad person Don't meet up until the second episode because we need to understand bucky. Don't even try to just don't fuck off They rush it in the first episode They may as well have had a little picture on the wall Is that like bucky's got ptsd and many so make amends for his life as winter soldier Falcons got money problems at home while also balancing his Responsibility with the shield gives up the shield goes to walker. All right Now we can start the show that you know those things. That's what episode one is Bucky getting his mind control broken was it was like the intro sequence for an episode That is a no other way like even mentioned or really talked about ever and it's an isolation. It's just its own little thing It's a very oddly place. They just they just had it In the same way that you'd have it for a checklist Like, okay, show this. Okay, it's done. We've checked that off the list. It's done. It's over It's finished move on to next thing And then like episode two remember it's incredibly contrived. He's just like hey falcon. Why'd you give it the shield? Hey, I'm going on a mission man. Okay. I'll come with oh, all right Oh, we're here right in front of the plane that you're about to leave on. Okay. Let's go together Nice and simple. It's totally legal that I do this by the way. Okay. Okay Sam try to understand each other. We need to finally know about bucky's family We need to see sam's how about bucky's family his family bucky doesn't have a family family is dead He doesn't have a family. Yeah, what is he? What is he referring? Is he referring to like a more? Like an emotional family I still look like so steve who's not in this show. I don't really know Steve abandoned him. That's the problem. They weren't probably family until he abandoned him Did you mean falcons family? I know he says them both Oh, he says but he says them both bucky's family and we have to see falcons family Uh, I don't know Which is like super basic Hey, this is a guy who cares about his family. You're like, yeah Yeah, yeah Yeah, I finally know about bucky's family. We need to see sam's family We need to know what these two do what they did when they weren't serving steve's narrative and the mc Serving steve's narrative So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait What? The idea that they weren't like doing it for their own reasons. Maybe i'm reading into that statement They weren't actually good people. They were just serving steve's narrative. Are you fucking with me? Like there's two ways to read this one of them is a lot more insulting to the characters So if he's simply saying they were supporting characters like definitionally serving his stories Oh, or if he's saying They were like being used as puppets in his world or some shit I'm that's probably what they mean. What do you mean? Fucking hope so jesus as if they weren't there for their own reasons I that's probably what he means. This is high tops like I think so, but yeah good lord Yeah, probably they did when they weren't serving steve's narrative and the mcu's ongoing story and by the end of that first story I'm willing to believe he simply meant they were supporting characters Yeah, that's yeah much better when they were supporting characters just fyi Yeah, it is actually unfortunate who's ongoing story and by the end of that first 40 we do understand we do empathize It's kind of I already empathize with bucky. So yeah Empathize the block with bucky I think he's just forget the other movies exist. He just forgot they didn't make him feel stuff. This one did so this is better Oh, okay, shouldn't Lee and naturally the creators make us feel for them through something as simple as a battleship game or a No, that was really bad. They didn't even use anything to the benefit Oh Man, isn't it awful when your kids die that really sucks us Yeah, that was a bizarre Like that was a bizarre. Wait a minute. Why are they playing battleships? It's just two ships Maybe the Ho, you're right. What shouldn't there be more ships there? Yeah, you get like six. Well, you can see them over there. He just didn't put them on. They only had two each I guess that's weird and Yeah, and if they'd been blown up then there'd be a bunch of misses everywhere and wait a minute There are no missing any Look, he's got Three hits, but she's clearly got one hit in the corner It's not there in a corner. You see that No, you know, you don't put a piece in the corner. Do you see what here's nearer the corner? Whatever like this. Wait, I know it's it's not frozen on that frame for me. I'll show you Yeah, I see. How do you come on guys? This is like easy Just play a game of battleship So he's got he's got three hits on that side, but she's only got she's got one hit over here She nailed the two hit ship Without any misses. It seems that way. So she has five hits in a row I think they just tossed it together. They don't give a shit like I just want to be like if you're a director just say you too just well Well, as we said in our thing This would be a really cool way to tell us about bucky's mentality and how he takes a strategic game Based on his how used he how used to being the winter soldier. He is I don't fuck up battleships, but I would have just said you to play battleship I'm like, okay now do the scene and of course what you what you were just suggesting, right? You could have the camera pan around them focusing on the conversation But you can see the battleships getting the background and her hits on him are all just standard random hits and she doesn't hit anything Let's just say that and all of his are just all strikes Maybe with one miss or something just to imply that he's figured it out or you can you can tell from how she's been talking Yeah, he's doing an efficient grid. How can I statistically get the most ships possible with the least amount of attempts? And so I'll do this pattern that kind of covers all the bases Which will adjust based on you know, what ships and how much space could possibly be left some people high though Like it's nitpicked. It's like yes Yes, you're allowed to do that They they didn't they didn't utilize something that they could have to tell us more about the characters And we desperately need to learn more about these characters for a show like this when it's about them Why like is it that hard? They just don't give I don't know It's just I don't understand why this Battleship effect movies when at some point Oh, yeah An intense therapy session Battleship game or a family talk or an intense therapy session. It's kind of includes an intense. It was fucking laughable They explained in detail how much he should be in jail. He's just not Oh Incredible just how focused on character falcon and the winter soldier is they could have not Wait, so is it? They pay lip service to character at the beginning and then it basically never comes up except when falcon turns pro-terrorist Someone said his his ships are all hits with no misses. The board doesn't make any sense It's all like as much as they've they've decided to put that on there like the rest of it doesn't line up. So it's just It's just yeah, so Yeah, because the bottom That's that represents where your ships are and where the enemy is hitting. Oh wait. Yeah, the top is your way She's nailed all of his shots for some reason Yeah, she has made five moves and they're Well, actually more because he's lost his one two three four other ships. So she has sunk four of his other ships without missing And then destroyed that little one which he hasn't removed from the board for whatever reason or maybe he kept it there I guess Um, and then she's working her way down his aircraft carrier Yeah, he he has missed is that one two three four and hit three Asian ladies a Mary Sue everyone loves her and she's insanely good at battleship for no reason against all odds It just what a desire like because if someone's like it's such a nitpick I feel like well, but yeah, but like how is this not indicative of what the fuck they would do What was the set designer doing like? I don't know battleships just put stuff on there Do they not know how battleship works like I haven't played it in many years, but like I know what it is Goddamn We Joe on falcon flying around with the Little action sequence instead. We open on a man ironing. Oh, he means literally the first Like the first oh Okay, well, I guess that's more powerful than the massive action sequence But in terms of meaningful plot it opens on the action scene Irons his shirts I guess Is it that amazing to know that the the people of the advantages team? I had their own shirts It's like that was a really yeah, it really tells us a lot about his character Do you think Tony ironed his own shirts? No Well, that was no fuck that guy What a strain so meaningful what a video it's just funny as well because He's he's talking about like how amazing it is. They open on I dig a shit But then we cut into the huge action scene that's nonsensical and totally emcee at this point When like the praise he's giving makes it sound like the whole episode was just him Contemplating his position in the world while dealing with household sort of troubles And maybe talking to a friend like that would actually surprise me I'd be like wow a whole tv show episode for the mcu which doesn't have any action in it Good job. I guess like you really focused on the characters. That's neat. They're not going to do that Loki's gonna knife fight people every episode as his show Yeah Choice facing the legacy of his friend and the responsibility that friend thrusted upon him. Oh, shut up They don't give a shit that this scene happened. They don't fucking get it upon him. This is a gift. No, I give it to bucky He absolutely He's like, uh You know, it feels like it doesn't belong to me other caps Like this scene the emotions of this scene are totally like Borked by the time you get to the tv show This this was like it's an honorable respectful position to have and I've decided that you're the man That can they can fill those boots because of how good I think you are as a person It's like wow. Thank you, which he says and he's like I'm gonna do the best I can Yeah, but like there was no I love this fucking like way that we've redone it It's like cap. How could you dropping the shield on a black man? Yeah, I'm sorry. What's the uh, has he reduced the saturation on this image? I don't know Can't quite tell I this look this well because it's just because I'm hold on This looks grayer than it actually was I I need to know hold on Well, you're doing that. I'm gonna go pee Yeah, so like oh man. Yeah, it ate this it ate this gray Like in the original I don't think you got a screenshot Okay Well, there's you know, the problem is that this one copy is like very bright Let me let me this might actually be oversaturated, but uh, let me let me pull up the copy that I have Um, so there's this one justice is gray for me. Don't forget it That endgame is gray addition. Yeah, look at that Oh, that is super duper bright compared I will put it up as soon as I see it. Oh shit. Yeah Hello now. Let me again. Let me uh, let me check my my copy to see if it's it's like I just I wonder if we did that on purpose Oh What do you think would be the motive there? To like make it seem not as good as it was at the time, you know Like it was it was almost like, you know, it was actually it was actually not bright. Yeah. Well water is good for you Hmm. Why would it again? I don't know why like my only assumption would be Because obviously the the more the more apt things probably that I don't know whatever copy he had just looks like that Yeah, no, you know what my my copy actually is that one's oversaturated. No, you know what? All right, my bad My bad. No, you're just wondering you're just asking Yeah, no Let's see. I don't I just yeah, it's yeah, it's decent enough because you never know with him Well, I'm sure it meant maybe that this was the beginning, you know, he's not quite fulfilled himself. So the color comes later I find that offensive when he becomes a person of color. Yeah This is the having a six hour movie compared to a two hour movie You can hold on a face less in this than they can achieve in two hours. I'm sorry. There just is Like the idea you can hold on in a movie. That doesn't that's not it's not character is holding on a face High top. Why do you like movies if you think that this is how tv shows just work that they just functionally give you more Just what just watch tv shows then don't watch movies. No, I don't want to do that No, I just find it amusing. I'm just like it's so shallow as an analysis Yeah On him this is the benefit of having a six hour movie compared to a two hour movie You can hold on a face. You can hold on an emotion You can see the vulnerabilities of someone who would be two dimensional with only two hours of what? So if this were a movie walk, it would have been two dimensional Uh, all right, does not just say about the creator than the medium I feel like it does. I feel like we've had movies where we've had more than one character be developed Oh, yeah, I know Alrighty you said it buddy Feeling asked an eternity the weight of their journey is not undermined by the need to cut to the next grand bit Of spectacle the fuck are you talking about? They they generate fucking spectacle Action scenes in every episode it's like Yeah, they People come back for next episode. They just See the formula repeated for all of the shows that they make after this. Yeah, and they're all right. It'll be an orc guy Yeah, they're not good. That's the big problem But orc guy like in all these shows and the ones they're all gonna or most of them are gonna do this format Like at least the six episode ones. I'm almost at the point of thinking that that's like the first fucking thing They think about when they're structuring each of the episodes I think I think like with Loki possibly. Yeah, I can believe it with Loki They're given bare bones every time and the first one looks like so he is He's doing his own thing after the events of endgame and then a bunch of people attack him He has a huge action scene and then he's captured and taken to this prison That's your first one. Um when he's put into the cell He almost breaks out like one of his first tries because he's just not the kind of person They've dealt with before another action scene and at the end we find out there's no way he's escaping this place Overall, but he can get out of his cell or something like that. It's like there you go You're there you two action scenes whatever dialogue you want, whatever beats you want Whatever characters you want go nuts, but those are the two things you have to have two big action scenes I would not be surprised at all if that was like a mandate I I imagine it might also be the fact that they release weekly has informed the format They need to make sure that each episode is exciting So that people come back and people talk about it Um And the mystery box element too as well that worked wonders for wonder vision in terms of getting people to watch Yeah, like people were speculating like fucking crazy about mafesto and all this shit and none of it was real Dude the fucking writer was like, I don't know who mafesto is Oh Oh, yeah Sebastian he finally get a chance to really dive deep into the truths of these characters There is only one truth Yeah Or in showcase the beauty of these characters and we are given enough time to see that No, no enough time This was an unrelated prequel of like an unrelated beginning segment of an episode that there is no other real reference to In any way that was super rushed and was not earned If this was if this is like the payoff of its own show Yes, yeah, this could be the payoff of its own show or at the very least it could be like episode I blind mana equivalent where it's like, yeah, it is self-contained story about this particular thing. Yeah And you know The conclusion of this sort of little storyline is he eventually like he shores himself up He's ready to fight and then it you know, it cuts in with He's doing whatever he's doing and they go like it's time and they bring him his new arm ready for uh, Infinity war and you'd be like, ah, that's how it fits in nice Yeah, that'd be nice. But this shit was rushed Yeah, it's like the checklist. That's what it is. It's oh, we have to show But this one thing about bucky. All right, we did it. It's out of the way done. We're finished move on to the next thing We got it done Disappointed uh Beautifully honest truth these mcu miniseries these six hour movies have the potential to be more storyteller driven more creative The potential to be but these are shit dude more storyteller driven the fuck I guess driven by the storyteller like the storyteller gets to Create that. Yeah, like the director as if that's the yeah, but like what's actually there We've already had loads of that in the MCU. Yeah, like Thor Ragnarok is absolutely that I just don't get it with you I just don't understand because it it's good on paper, right? It's like well, there's more time. So it'll be better It depends. I spend that time He can't honestly believe that right Like that any movie could be better if it was a tv show because you get more time It sounds like he's saying it But like he can't his high top films not high top tv shows Needed more impactful than their theatrically released films. Okay. So that's just not even fucking fair though Like oh falcon's more impactful here that he is here. Is this like Probably well the funny thing is that's not stumble movie. It's not and yeah, he is more impactful Despite the fact that he doesn't have much to do with it It's such a weird comparison to make Because like this is just two things that are completely different doing different thing And what's funny is like the emotional payoffs in infinity will slaughter the ones in uh, how can the winter soldier? Easily not even close. Thor talking to rocket is like better than anything in both tv shows that just came out No, we don't get to hang on reactions. Like we hang on his reaction in that scene. That doesn't happen in uh No, you miss that's a straw man. He was saying is there's more. Okay? Oh, yeah We get to understand hang on now notice his reaction to tossing demora down Like we hang on that for a little while. No, we don't so you know, we don't He showed like four in the show. So that's double just by the fact that they didn't even work Like whatever that would try to achieve didn't work Well, that's what I mean. He's he's unironically doing like lawnmang good. Like that's it He's not really talked about like how you use the time Really? He's because he's implying that like this time is being used kind of the same way But now that you have more of it There's just more of the characters Yeah, we don't we don't get caught up in the mcu plot lines just crashing in which is totally not what happens in falcon the winter soldier We totally don't get one episode of a character and then plot plot plot plot and then resolve character Because these people don't know how to handle the the fact that you can do both Yeah, for by the way chat like long man bad is retarded long man good is also retarded like it's good because long Yeah, uh like when some of you guys were doing that for the snotty cut that was pretty stupid No, but none of the people in chat will agree with it like what no, I wouldn't do that I'm sure none of you did okay Yeah, if you didn't do it, then you got nothing to worry about that's you're you're fine Filmmaking and creative choices on display have the time to feel more thought out more All right, we're doing a lot of time to feel more thought out I guess feels before reels especially when it comes to you Which everything you just said was actually in the show Everything you just said requires elaboration. He practically just like concluded the statements on their own from just they don't do that Using choices on display have the time to feel more thought out more The creative choices on display have the time to feel more thought out. It's all so like And you just qualify all of that all of that was just I don't even understand what he means here Like with more time to see Fucking coming from the jump cutting guy like wibbly wobbling on his camera too, which is kind of funny It was like more time. Also, this is the same pistol be like I I've not got the time to continue my video I have to split it into two that sort of shit comes from him. It's like you have complete control Over the time YouTube doesn't impose restrictions on like title of it. I mean while movies do get mandated so Just a weird position. We're in there. It's like, yeah Because you know, why does he feel like just because it's a tv show that it doesn't have the same kind of Just production process that a film does. Why does he think that? Because he's you know in the sense that there are no producers that are involved and have decisions And that there's nobody from disney plus who's like, hey, you need to like do these things It's interesting to me as well because like, you know like t2 I think is probably a solid example if someone was like needed a few more scenes. Um, I don't know for john and Uh, the terminators relationship. I'd be like, I don't think so Like well, you wouldn't hurt right to have more and I'd be like, no, I don't I I don't know that like it feels like it's paced pretty well and that we got everything we needed I don't know that we need more of anything Like the story's length is very suited to the amount they got out Basically what i'm trying to challenge here is the idea of like isn't more of it just gonna be better and it's like, I don't know I feel like it's a little yeah, it's more complicated than that. It's not just more is better It's the same with like video games right when people say, oh, well, this game is like 10 hours and this game is 50 hours It's like, yeah, but what is the what is the content in that 10 hours versus i have a hundred levels Yeah, we have a hundred different levels Like if we just had another scene with it They just mess around playing chess and there's something we learn about how the terminator operates chess This is how john doesn't they learn something. He's like, oh, I do like that scene a lot Yeah, we keep that in and there's another one where they he's showing him an arcade game and the terminator doesn't get it But then when he does he's like amazing at it and you have that it's like Yeah, I guess I I like that scene too And then it's one where he's teaching john how to use like the motorbike instead of the bike He usually uses all like the interesting parts of it more stuff about guns some stuff about hacking There's like how many of these can I add before you start going like? okay This is gonna be a bit much now it's cool, but There's like 7 000 scenes of them Doing stuff together Yeah, I just I just like what's the perfect about that because he's he's he's implied There's more time than in a movie. So there is more time to appreciate the creativity You know like that doesn't doesn't sound like it follows I don't know how yeah, how far does that go until it starts to become counterproductive because I don't It's it's empty. It's one of these just things that you say But if you tried to like if they were here to interview You'd poke them on it and ask them about it And I just don't feel like there would be anything of substance that we'd get from it But you could say it casually in an off-handed way in some random video essay And people eat it up and you don't have to think about it and you don't have to You know have any critical thought to it one thing we don't allow here. Okay casual thoughts No, you have to be specific How could I agree with a casual broad statement that you know if there's more time it's probably gonna have to be even better It's like I we thought that about snider cut. That was one of the things we offered as a Potential we were like surely more means it could be more coherent when more better be less coherent More opportunities to fuck up. Yeah So yeah, uh, it's weird that right now the vibe I'm getting from the video is just the tv show is longer Therefore superior of a character. It's like that seems like Pulled that out of your ass, but all right surely Oh Dude, you must have loved this shot. Look at the blue Oh, yeah, it contrasted with the red of the lips. Yeah So style handheld grounded filmmaking vibe and instills it with color dramatic lighting and most importantly purpose It's more than It's now becoming very clear. It's becoming very clear. Why stand is Like someone was holding the camera and it was wobbling a bit Well, all right This is the thing is like it gives a sense of more being on the ground or watching it happen while you're in the sea It's like i'm totally fine with that But like the way you're saying it makes it sound like it's better than if it were steady, which is kind of like What's the reward us this? Oh, I I mean I think as far as I know he likes to the war so Oh, okay. I guess you're saying because he said about films has purpose and everything. Yeah Well, so this is the problem with high top in a shell nut. I guess he uh Kind of says stuff that if they do it it is good Implying that if they did not do it it would be bad, but never quite says that And you're like, wait, but I'm trying to figure out your scale there, buddy. And he's like, no, no I feel like I have no idea what he would or would not like ever. I don't think he'd want to commit too hard Yeah, like he's just flipping, you know a coin on whether something is liked by him or not because I have no idea I have no standard. I have no idea what he will and will not like with the two shots that he showed with the lighting I was like, oh, that's probably why he likes the show just because the lighting is a little bit unusual But like it's this is the thing. I feel like I could easily make something high top would love So first thing I would do is make a hero who's really poor And then I'd have him live in a house with loads of random holes in the ceiling So light just you know comes through but also there's loads of filters that come in with different colors There's like a little kaleidoscope that they all go through and just spreads everywhere. It's like a big disco Um, then I would have it so they have an uncle who gives them all kinds of advice and he gets shot Um, and it's kind of partially this this character's fault I feel like I've already nailed it. I feel like he'd be in love with it already. I've kind of done most of it. Um Also, he's a photographer He gains the powers of a scorpion because he gets stung by one And stills it with color dramatic lighting and most importantly purpose It's more than an aesthetic choice that semi syncs up with the look of civil war and winter soldier It's the best way to visually tell this story. Oh careful Careful, you can't say that there's the best way. You're subjective man. Oh, yeah There is no best way you just venture into a different area to be consistent at all when it comes to just having Like sticking to what you say you go. You can't be using that word, right? What you mean high top is I really like this I like that. It feels so nice. It's oh When you say it feels good and I feel you Is the best There is a best way MI syncs up with the look of civil war and winter soldier It's the best way to visually tell this story Constant claustrophobic camera angles and shots are utilized to immediately reattach us to these characters. They're invasive No, I mean, I thought there was a bit much in the therapy scene Yeah, because I yeah, it comes across as really strange Because I don't want to be pressed that close up to some stranger's wrinkly face This kind of scratches at what we do here When you have like Two things that are stated that are incongruous which is like well, that's a problem When you have a shot that rag says that kind of makes me uncomfortable looks really weird and the next guy goes I thought it was intense intimate and it grabbed me and then a third person goes. I didn't really care about it at all That's the conversation over intense and intimate and grabby with Well, what I what I was trying to say there was like there's not much we can do with that It's basically over like if your emotional reaction is all we can even talk about because Informationally we're shown the character. It's a bit of an awkward zoom, but yeah because I would think in a scene like this because The psychiatrist is sort of like trying to get inside of his head metaphorically That there would be no zooms on her face only on buckies because she's trying to like analyze him and figure his head space out Oh, yeah, not on the both of them. See all someone has to do in response though. They're trying to get into each other's heads He's trying to get into her head. I don't really see that Representing the dialogue, but you know, whatever. Yeah, that I don't think there's any references for that So yeah, but I like my idea better that I casually had that was better than what was your idea about a million dollar production Yeah Therapy conversation feels too close, especially when you're lying. No It doesn't It feels nonsense because like there's contradictions and none of it makes any sense and the stories and that distracts me It's all very Go watch our previous stream if you want to know why that therapy session sucks ass um Yeah, I can't really throw myself in there. That was super funny. I just It just makes me laugh. I'm close, especially when you're lying making a speech Why he he zoomed into himself when he said especially when you're lying and so he had a zoomed in face picture of him Like I don't know if that sends the right subconscious vibe. Yeah, because now we're thinking about like wait, what are you lying about? Like I don't think you're lying I think you're accurately representing what you think is the truth, but the problem is is that it's what you think is true Lies lying making a speech in Washington while the whole world watches every blink every step every word In choice you make feels almost haunting throughout the entire Jesus Christ this pretentious ass fucking garbage Fuck this is like his thing. This is what he does He just it's unfortunate because sometimes he talks about films that like really have the references to support it But you can't tell the difference. You just this would be you could do his format with everything Anything I could take this to all the Barbie movies. Yeah, absolutely. You should honestly release it for April fools would be great Do do it wouldn't be in April fool. It'd be real. What do you mean? No, no, I mean why April fools? So all kinds of reasons first of all being I don't want you to use your normal voice I want you to use video essays voice and then I want you to have definitely That's the real life have to be a different character lights go and do all kinds of things and And then you have to talk about the lighting of the barbie films and how that's in integral in understanding the personal relationships between barbie and Insert character, you know, it gets I'm looking forward to it. I'll just say that Series we feel that pressure We feel like we're watching two outsiders in their most private moments And maybe we shouldn't be maybe we're crossing a boundary that these characters don't want us to when bucky What is this background? What are you talking about? Every single fucking MCU movie has us watching characters in their private personal moments. It's the fucking point The character stories, okay, so that's out the window Secondly these characters don't even what are we crossing a line? What is this you? This film forgets civil war exists and he's like, dude, it's re crossing a line. Yeah, how far do we go? But you do However, I I was honestly kind of distracted by the weird music noise in the back It's contemplative almost Yeah, wrecked you in templative music I was I was being contemplative, but maybe on the wrong thing. I was trying to figure out what the music was instead of Oh, he's he's such a treasure high top Want us to when bucky finally makes the choice to step through the glass. He's been frozen behind Steps through the glass. He's been frozen behind Dude, oh my goodness Steps through the glass. He's been frozen behind. How does one step through glass? Why don't you walk me through that one? It's a metaphor Walk you through this shit metaphor It Does he mean break the ice? Like when you break the ice with a woman? I'm going more fundamental I actually think that because there was a fucking pain of glass He was looking at the girl through That he's gonna walk through a door It's kind of like he's going through this glass Between him and he had glass on him when he was frozen so when he went around it But oh god Why do you do this to me? Why? Finally makes the choice if you let I'm trying to be fair if you had someone in this fucking call with us who's watching the show that's who's like Oh guys, he was looking at it through the glass and he kind of steps through into the room It's kind of like that glass that was in front of him so long when he got frozen All of us would be like Huh What are you what are you talking about? It's like, you know, like when he was frozen There's like a pain of glass he could look through kind of yeah Well, this is kind of like him stepping through that and moving on in a way I'd be like but but both metaphorically and realistically You didn't do that I don't get it people like listen to this and they're like, wow, that's so good and like They're so dumb Like they either Like if I said they didn't give a shit that would be better Grassman the straw is bad looking for just he wants to I'm sure he was very proud of that when he wrote it Step through He's been frozen behind most of his life. Maybe we shouldn't follow him. Maybe maybe we shouldn't follow him We don't have a choice. That's what the show is about. I got nothing What is he saying? What do you mean? Maybe we shouldn't follow him He's the titular winner soldier The show was about through the glass I don't have a show. I mean, I could just not watch the show. I guess but I don't think that's how you mean it I don't know if you considered it's his private life and you shouldn't be following him through it Good god bad camera man. I'm so confused. Oh my goodness We should just him to have this moment of it's not a good moment. She talks to him about death Yeah, it's weird. She's a fucking weird battleship expert. No, andrey doesn't fucking hook up with her again. She's crazy This is where they go. Like where do you want to? What do you want to do on our first date? Well, we could just go to where I work and play battleship You know, that's I mean, I guess if it's her suggestion And that's what she wants to do on the first date because it's a familiar place and you're a new person So that's how she remains in a safe sort of place and when she's still on guard about you And she doesn't know how you are So it's easier to accept you if it's in a place that she's familiar with and she feels safe in like sure But I don't know. I guess Fuck mad bucky. Take that bitch to the zoo. Yes to the zoo peace And as the show progresses as we grow closer to these people the camera I did not grow closer to them across this season. I'm afraid falcons and He's a terrible person Falcons an idiot the closer I get to him the less I want to Be around him. I would genuinely like to see high top address like the two times that falcon left walker and lamada die I would be curious to know What he thinks about that I think he would do the wonder woman defense who's like that's not what the intention of the scene was Oh, I know But it still happened And if we could just dismiss things like that I don't know that said that does a lot of damage to the craft I feel if we could just hand wave things away that explicitly appear on the screen Camera warms up just as the characters do what was an invasion Did he just say the camera warms up? Yeah, see they're doing warmer colors when when we met bucky was all blue It's like the video remember he was blue and now he was it was warmer and now he's red Which means it must be good. Yeah, I was just gonna say guys if you're unfamiliar. This is called art Uh, what you've been watching in the mcu hasn't really been art this though Finally, we've got it Yeah, so be proud be happy The shot composition the camera movement the visual language here is a huge step forward from the recent marvel films And it'd be ridiculous and entirely unfair of what not to point out how well and how purposeful the visuals are So visuals are just like writing they can be tied down and talked about and referenced blood on the shield is pathetic Actually pathetic in terms of the goal Are you god? You're so easy Like blood on the shield you've done it such. Oh, we must be bad. I see blood blood's bad. It's bad What do you think of the Snyder cut? Uh, he said he didn't love it But that's okay, but that's okay. Yeah, because remember he said um That's a video we still have to watch by the way, but I know that from twitter. He said that uh Like it's it's the creator's vision in full force or whatever, right? And that's great. Snyder's not a good creator and we established that um to have your vision Is really awesome and that kind of subvits or trumps anything in terms of like inaccuracies At the same time if a collection of people wanted their vision or if someone he doesn't like wanted their vision that doesn't count Zach's night is okay though For a second there. I was like, did we cover his video? I think we've already done brown table, right? Or did we do someone else too? I've no we did his right? I'm sure we did I feel like we did Oh, well Chat will have the answer probably Story you can also tell that getting a director like cari scoglund who has worked in the comic book world The prestige television world for over a decade. I don't care if oh no Oh, no house of cards and walking dead Handmaid's tales The impunisher I bet a lot of these just aren't good. Just statistically It feels like she knows exactly the vision she and showrunner malcolm spellman want to achieve We've seen a lot of people with cloud here recently Did hexhomp even know who these people were before fair? Oh, he's just talking about them as if he knows Look, I'm so cynical about this that he was like, I want to celebrate the people who actually made it. I am db Uh, there we go. Put the dames in. Uh, what else do they work on? I am to be click name Look at past stuff list it put the logos up so it looks like I did the actual work. There we go All right, moving on It's like she knows exactly how to get there and do it with style Shows madre pour madre pour is a disaster. We went over this. Yeah, there were 30 things wrong with it at least At least in terms of characters and world building and plot Madre pour is a disaster of storytelling. It is a fucking disaster of storytelling But it had pretty lights. So fuck it. It's art and it's beautiful Boo No, yeah, by the way, madre pour is the kind of place that I see and go. Oh, I topple like this at least But lights everywhere. Look at the green light Ooh has the most tactile crafted by hand down to earth and child location fee fucking use the doom word We don't like tactile because it's just an excuse to not say anything I'm totally cool with you using it and then following up with more detail But if you just say something it's tactile. I'm always like you want me to think that it was more feelable Give me more than that reach out and touch it I don't even know if that's what yeah, I yeah, that's one of those words that I hear people say and I'm like, oh When you say that what do you mean? Please go into more. What do you mean instead of just saying that? Yeah, I'll craft it by hand down to earth and shot on location feel since the first act of civil war It's kind of amazing how effective a simple moment of a superhero just saving people and you have to wear the helicopter Don't stop it Ah, don't talk about how it doesn't make any sense. Don't talk about how it just don't talk about it. It's fine Instead, I will get so broad that I'll describe it as heroes save somebody Oh, okay. Well, like how do you not so how do you not like every superhero movie? Well, that's kind of where I was going with that. Let's so did everything. Why would you? Uh York City can be so used to armies of god soldiers and warriors charge Okay, how many movies have you watched from the MCU that had an army of gods? Like, what are you talking about? You're talking about how fucking great the dceu is because of its emphasis on that and that that's cool The fuck I don't get it. This happened once this is so unfair to edgame I can't be from saying it but it's like edgame is the culmination of all the different characters all the different Store lines coming together to fight Thanos's obby. Why would you say like, oh, I'm tired of obby's doing this like what? That's like this was a decade in the making if anything like they at least tried to earn this. Yeah I like regardless of if you like it or not. I think it's good or not Like they definitely put in the effort to get here What the hell I just I'm so lost. How are you so bad? How are people whose job is talking about movies so fucking bad at talking about movies He's of god soldiers and warriors charging a swarm of soldiers and warriors. Oh my god But god Magic space rock wielding alien rocks This happened in one film infinity war this this didn't even happen in edgame There was no alien wielding space rocks against them. It's right at the end. He gets killed. God you suck It's amazing how fuzzy how childlike I felt watching these two characters try to save human beings and not Where why don't you like all of the other things then? Don't stand Uh, I don't get it It's like flipping a coin Who knows if he'll like it or not? Who knows if his brain compartmentalizes something as being good or bad regardless of all of the context surrounding it Yes, he's running out of adjectives. It's true I think high tops talking about battling armies over and over like in avengers one It was jatari avengers two. It was ultra, but that's there's many movies between these movies And those only happen in certain parts they represent the minority context and locations And they're either contained in a way like the wakanda fight in infinity war was very contained The sycovia fight in ultron was very contained Yeah, it's just they're all very specific How many movies have they even been now that I mean fucking Whatever Not a you know, I guess when you scale it down when you know, it's gonna talk about all the examples I was like no fucking point is there like to like to you can't scale down a story and use that as an excuse for ignoring the world that you created you And clearly I guess when you scale it down when you boil it back to basics I feel when you boil it back to basic magic that I boil it back to basics I think how the how does one boil something back to its basics? I think he's mixed up. What's that called? Were you mix up? I think he has you go back to basics and you boil it down He's he's fudged them together to boil it back to basis or whatever this Please please make that a good deal write it down to basic That's a total moment. Yeah Boil it back to basics. I think you probably felt like that's good enough Yeah Well, google it see if it comes up That's how I'm looking for um Like maybe because you can't have it happen we like it's sad enough. It's a malifor Yeah It's when you it's it's an informal term for a mixture of two aphorisms idioms or cliches Such as we'll burn that bridge when we come to it It'll be a malifor Which is like that's that could be a funny joke. Well, they do it in the boys They say it in the boys will burn that bridge when we get to it which is like Yeah, that's that's cool. It's very specific into boiling something down to its basics doesn't make sense No, because how do you boil it so we're basic does boiling make things more basic? No, you lose that it is the opposite because that makes the that removes the water from it in the form of You know the steam so it It So like one I want to let you guys know about um, it's a classic Some some in chat may know about this if they watched drunken peasants back in the day, but good ol brekkine He uh, he would do these where you just he would come up with his own suddenly and you'd be like, what in the fuck are you referencing? So you guys are probably aware of firing on all cylinders, right? Yeah, yes, this man his brain did not quite function Properly at one point he he said This thing is working on all cinder blocks Oh, no I'm just one of my favorite quotes working on all cinder blocks working on all I want to know what that looks like as an image a bunch of cinder blocks is working What do you imagine you're saying it works on all cinder blocks? Oh, it's uh It it's that that's funny imagining because the expression comes from You know internal combustion engines. Um, you want all your cylinders working? So like one of those but it uses cinder blocks instead of like the big pistons and stuff Yeah, so someone's already highlighted it kind of evokes like a car on cinder blocks You know without the wheel you're like working on all cinder blocks Sounds like the car is in trouble if I don't yeah, like it's been gutted and it's stole the wheels Brekkine's a national treasure so true Yeah, I like those they they they amuse me Anyway Back to basics. I feel that early mcu magic that I thought had faded away. Oh, it's long gone, buddy It's gone now these shows are the Consequences of it being gone. Yeah, like this is the shit that's making it lose its value. Yeah, this show is crap Yes, but you don't know what that is because you're fucking shit at your job. You don't have standards You're not good at analyzing the craft one. Does he look at Thor want to go? Ah, this is the mcu magic right here Thor iron man three or mcu magic Like this is the real magic Thor the dark world. Oh, yeah Winter soldier black magic and curses hexes forbidden necromancy Oh So many times I got a little taste of the goosebumps of the nostalgia of the excitement just re jackman's captain america themes come back here Be remixed here and recontextualize. Oh, I had it. Yeah, I wasn't a fan The problem is it evokes something very specific for me in civil war And so when I see it attached to other things that it just doesn't feel right It's like and that's the I guess it's the tightrope with music Um, all he's gonna say is it suited it? Well, I'm not feeling all right Did he say taste of the What was that the shock that Let's let's let's roll our back. I I confess I can fuzzled Many times I got a little taste of the goosebumps of theness You're right. He did say taste of the goosebumps Oh god, if you're If you're generous it's like he's saying a taste of The I don't that's a bit much isn't it it's leaping a bit there. Yeah tasting goosebumps. Like what does that mean? Taste of the goosebumps Maybe he's just like, you know what I'm reinventing stuff because I'm an artist like all right taste of the goosebumps Stalgia of the excitement just from hearing Henry jackman's captain america themes come back here Be remixed here and recontextualized so many times Law and done for real the action was No, this scene is the most silly ridiculous thing imaginable. It makes no sense whatsoever Well, uh, let me help you out. So an arm was broken and someone was stabbed. That's real Yeah, that's real rags if you didn't know that that happens See when things that should happen based on cause and effect happen. That's kind of lame Like that's not what film is for film is for like having a guy get stabbed Textualizing themes I'd say so. Yeah, you're on point now. Yeah, you're back on point. There you go My action scenes. I'm a big fan of john wick two and three where it's fucking bullshit He don't look one was boring right Real action fucking cool to get real. That's like the last word. I would fucking throw it there Yeah Great in nitpick great to be like it ain't daredevil and while it's still very much ain't daredevil. It's a step in the right direction Right, it ain't daredevil because daredevil's no it's not even fucking close when it comes to the action Yeah, this action is shit. This action is like it's like mando and it's it's just it's nonsense It's a bunch of cuts that are saving terrible acting in nonsensical direction And nothing works nothing works constant continuity shifts Uh, it relies on every be everybody being stupid and untrained It none of it works Yeah There is a lack of hallways. I agree, you know the this daredevil always go hand in hand But I mean that's the thing is you put them in a setting that actually enables them to work properly Put daredevil in a whole land. It's like well This this is gonna work a lot better. Whereas here. It's just a really big open space There's actually a lot of space in this area to move around It's not claustrophobic, which I thought the show was about it's all about the claustrophobic action bringing That's when it breathes and it's raw and real I like how they didn't play evil music when bucky threw a pipe through somebody's like um That's a pretty painful. Yeah a very slow one watch our edit where he tosses it They scream in agony and blood shoots through the actual pipe into bucky's face just splatters in And then he like grins because he knows he's defeated this Well it's a step in my kind of direction. Oh, there you go. He corrected it. It's not the right direction It's my kind of direction Fuck me, dude. Even when we do get the standard marvel fair, it's done with a lot more flair and a lot of visual Stop it stop it. Please don't say these things. It was really stupid What can you like the whole river the um The the the the highway seat it took ages to get through us talking about it's just so much wrong with it I'm sure you'd be like, well You got to admit It has some flair Flair And this is what I mean So for anybody who's confused like why are you so angry? You just likes it But well, no, it's not nothing about this is is meaningful in any shape way or form Like I could just say this about everything. Give me a scene from marvel. I'll describe it that it has flair and I'll be able to make an argument Oh, yeah, absolutely, especially with something as broad as flair. Oh flair can be all kinds of things Yeah, flair's flair can be it can be lighting it could be acting you could call the liography You could be buttons on overalls flair could be all kinds of different things I'm like, yeah, that's what I mean It's like so he's identified something that could just be in everything and so now I'm just like what the fuck was the point of this Well, I liked it a lot. You're like, well, why didn't you just say that you haven't made any arguments You got 20 minutes of nothing Well, except some silly things too I'm just happy to be enjoying something in this universe that I thought I was numb to It's a great feeling to once I really like if ever I was if I was a creating mcu content and high top was like I'm numb to your content. I'd be like I know how to stimulate you. It's not gonna be hard Just get some fucking lights shiteable over the place Then like I said earlier just have a character who's hiding a shit I guess or he's eating some pasta with some beads Like look he's living a real life. Like you you you eat beads It just doesn't feel like I have to do it. I think I guess like the conflict I'm having right now is just like Oh my god, how lame and pathetic the show was in terms of the characterization It did not only assassinating them, but like the very quick work it gave To try and push them forward be it ptsd or money problems, but look how much it's done for high top. He's blown away Like wow It was me thinking he would take a lot more work than that, but yeah, it's right in there Again one thing that defined a large part of my childhood Is it perfect? No, but nothing is the plot the bits where our heroes aren't fixing up a damn boat or just you know Talking but are actually facing the flag smashers feels kind of empty. I knew what they wanted I knew and understood why they wanted it But I genuinely had no clue what their grandmaster plan was half of the time Yeah, but that's writing and you don't give a fucking shit about that Yeah, you never cared about that high top. You never gave a fuck It's amazing to me like we could spend ages talking about all the flag smashers stuff and how incompetent it all is And he's just like didn't really understand what the fuck was happening Yeah, I really understand it, but I noticed the lighting in this one scene, so I guess the show's good Nothing's perfect guys. Come on Like I don't know I like I don't really understand the motivation of the enemy faction But you know, it's my favorite mcu movie in years Simple clue what their grandmaster plan was half if only they're if only their grandmaster plan was better Lit than maybe. Yes. I really take to it, but there's more zoom shots Yeah, yeah, yeah Off the time it felt like it shifted episode to episode Maybe something was cut out rewritten at the last second or maybe I really just am an idiot But with that lack of focus, I mean I've got no commentary for that. I mean, yeah, I mean On the physical conflict we get more time for more character work, which makes me a very happy guy The character you don't know what never is they fucking assassinate falcon. They hurt bucky zemo squeaks away mostly unharmed Our complaint was that the characters are like left by the wayside because the plot takes over And unfortunately the plot is so shit. It reminds me of godzilla where it's like You see I care about characters not plot. So that's why it doesn't bother me And I'm like, what do you mean? It's in all of it. There's so much plot and it's so terrible This barely any character Comparatively never in service to the plot to the world building narrative. Those things are entirely. I'm sorry. What did you just say? You're a very happy guy the characters are never in service to the plot to the world building narrative those things are entirely Wait service of sam and bucky So the characters the character writing is only ever in service of the characters never for the plot in the world That's not a compliment It's um, it's a position. It's like fine. It's like the the writing itself only ever benefits them Like would it not be more beneficial? The character writing to also benefit the plot and the world building As in yeah, because that makes me think about oh, you're just here because the writers want this to benefit our Protagonists to move the plot along not because it's actually like in an act in a real world Where they have their own stuff going on and their own things they want to do and for example If falcon told us in a scene in a show that wasn't terrible He's been taking on more and more government contracts that he doesn't even want to engage with Because of the stuff that's happened previously But he has to because he needs to make ends meet with whatever fucking money problems he has that we could generate So that tells you something about his character tells you something about the state of the world and it gives us a plot line Like I wonder if high tops even aware of this like how I would like him to show me something from this show or maybe five examples to make it a bit harder for him That's a character writing that doesn't do anything for the plot of the world because i'm not even sure that he knows the difference Like if I told you falcon has decided to get a bank loan He'd be like there's no will building there I'd be like the fact that he can get a bank loan is going to tell you something that he needs one Yeah, that too. Like I don't know that I don't know that he knows the difference here That's very well up through. He might not bucky the zemo really need to be here Does he really add any fuck? He was like I'm I'm honestly surprised he wasn't ruined But like at least it was something I could enjoy we were tense That's the most that's the most tension we had with his show in terms of drama It was just I hope they don't ruin this character Thing to the story of the show Irresistible no, but what he does do this service But what he did did he just say that he didn't add anything to the story Which makes me a very happy guy the characters are never in service to the plot To the world building narrative those things are entirely in service of sam and bucky developing sam and bucky Does zemo really need to be here? Does he really add anything to the story of the show? Irresistible no Doesn't add anything you can like well I what do you do? What do you do with this? I don't understand. He how Hey ringy Mm-hmm. He just said zemo added nothing to the story Oh fucking hell I don't I just I don't understand. I don't get it. I Man like this is a successful youtuber so talking about media talking about shows How how do you say this did you not watch the fucking tv show? My brain's melted a bit because it's like wait. What do you mean? We have to start collecting references to defend the show and I'm like I'm I I don't want to tell you brain like we've got to do it because The we got to do we got to be honest. So this guy just said the zemo add nothing to the story I just don't get it. I don't understand. How can you be so fucking brain dead when this is your job? And you're just like yeah zemo didn't do anything So we're gonna begin The entire plotline post episode two is because of zemo. So that's one thing two zemo gives quite the uh What you could call criticism of the super soldier serum and what it does to a character and why He does what he does and it's it's stark opposition to what falcon and bucky believe and it creates conversations between them Uh zemo assassinates or will murder's whatever the the creator of the serum That has yeah drastic Who as far as we know is the only person who knows how to make it Now they can they can invent someone on the spot. This show will absolutely do turns out There was another secret person who was actually so we're over here and he was making the serum So now we can have more super soldiers. They are absolutely willing to do that because Fuck keeping an established world zemo saved their lives twice Once in madrapur and then again in the shipment area in madrapur when he shot and killed a bunch of the bounty hunters He then got them to the next locations. He found out about the funeral. He got them that How do you actually say this like I just he destroyed all the serums He did that too and he shot carly the absolute best fucking moment for his character and except the Follow-through, but at least he shot her. I don't know. I just I don't I Yeah, well, this is the thing you hear it. You're just like so I don't which universe are you from you have to You have to pause and just sort of think about How does someone When he wrote all that when he was because the scene that he showed of him putting the candy out was him learning where the funeral was And so how does his brain you wonder you try to get into the the mind of the creator How did his brain compartmentalize all of that information? into just How how do you make this video about the show after seeing this show? And say zemo didn't do anything for the story He also killed the remaining flag smashes Yes, he did. How is that as well? Absolutely. It's just This is the thing I feel like we've lined up how he's he's integral to the plot He's important to represent a new perspective on the ideas behind what serum does to a character He's also there for his own reasons. He actually manages to bring up and chastise them potentially for the sycovia memorial Um, and he manages to make decisions that are in line with his character the progress in forwards in ways that are quite interesting I would argue. Um, so Wrong on all counts. I don't I don't see how that you could ever reach this position I just I it baffles me how somebody could do this like even even if it's just a casual filmgoer movie watcher flick seer if You were just having a conversation with someone at waffle house sitting next to you about, you know I watched the way to soldier shame about zemo. He didn't really do anything You know, even then even then that would be stupid and you'd explain to them that they were wrong but Just like coming from this It That's just demoralizing honestly. Yeah This is why ifa thing because people like hightop they fucking suck They're just they're bad at their jobs Does do is serve bucky. What he does do is provide bucky a chance He doesn't save the story, but he saves bucky. He serves bucky who was part of the story in this story He's like nice so Wait, so him just him destroying all the vials of super serum That didn't serve the plot or the story or the world But it did serve bucky what he's accidentally done now again because he doesn't understand what he when he makes claims and makes No, no, that's just it. He just he doesn't understand. Yes. Um, so he said doesn't affect story does affect character So character and story story doesn't encompass character. He's now separated those so That means that we have to figure out how does zemo affect the story without including anything to do with character It's like well the majority of my arguments were plot so If plot isn't a part of story Neither is character. It's like, what are we so story is Everything it's the that's what I thought. That's what I thought. Yeah, and then the And then the characters is depending on the it could be a very tiny circle or a very big circle But it will never be bigger than the story circle Well, it's part of the story circle. That's kind of the thing. Yes, everything's in story Everything's in the story. Again. This is the reason why the writing advice of hey If it doesn't contribute to the story cut it out It's like this is not a meaningful thing to tell somebody because everything contributes in some way Yeah, if it's not a part of the story, it doesn't exist Yeah, like Basically, but then somebody might be like, well, wait, what about like in the side cut the filler? It's like so the reason why the problem there is that it isn't adding anything additional that isn't already there Yeah, that's in the story because it's still a part of the story. Yeah, but it doesn't do anything So the question would be do you need to add Is this contributing in a way that doesn't is this not redundant? It's kind of the most important part not whether or not it directly advances the main plot I don't think that should affect what you keep in or out of your film Yeah, in in the limited time economy of Creating these, you know, these words these movies and these things there is a there is a There's a tactical view you have to take With, you know, what what do we cut? What do we keep in? What do we use our time for? Absolutely. That's that's kind of the thing with stories. It's just a lot of decisions decisions and what to keep and what to lose and And uh, you know time. Yeah, like you said time constraints Format constraints like it's a tv show. Is it a movie? There's only so long that a movie can be before people won't accept it Well, I think Like if you go too long with a move if a movie was 10 hours long I don't even know that we can classify it as a movie anymore or it would be long like it would need another Uh, maybe like another thing to distinguish it Yeah, kind of maybe in the same way that like there's distinctions between novels like a novella There's short stories usually up to like 10,000 words and novella is 10 to 50,000 and then a novel is 50,000 to like 100 Yeah, just because these categories isn't like a huge deal. It's just a categorization thing. No, it's helpful though because it means Yeah, it is helpful. Absolutely. It's like genres. That's helpful. It's like genre. Yes. That's right It doesn't define your story. Look at this wavelength. We're all on wonderful Yeah, it really yes, it's not this way because it's a short story It's a short story because it's that way. Yeah, see e-fap is like poetry. It rhymes Do is provide bucky a chance a chance to let go of vengeance to show us how far But this thing was bizarre. I don't I don't know what they were going for with this scene He was like a lot lmao. I tricked you into thinking I might shoot you. It's like bucky. That's weird Yeah, why would you why would why would zemo think you would? And why would bucky think that he needed to do it like this? Like i'm not I think when the steam was playing out we were all just like, huh? It's really weird Like you don't have to pretend to kill someone but don't To show people that you're you wouldn't kill them. You could just not kill them and then throw up in all the bullets Just pick them all back up. He's gonna have to grab more. Yeah, especially nowadays with the ammo shortage Like you don't want to just drop those around man. Like those are how else will zemo know that he didn't shoot him Fucking seven six two by thirty nine Like that's like 51 cents around that that's insane Like fucking hell. I can't wait for that. Yeah, Jesus Used to be Oh There's there's an ammo shortage going on because of the pandemic and a lot of new gun owners and those things are just hitting up the same time So There's a big ammo shortage because they're just they can't produce enough right now Everyone wants it a little retarded you have like 51 cents per bullet doesn't actually sound that like it sounds like a deal I don't know for seven six two by thirty nine That's really expensive. Generally the the stuff that I get I try to get between 20 and 25 cents around But the idea that a mag an ak magazine is gonna cost me 15 plus dollars Fuck that. Oh, okay nine millimeter rounds. Generally. I try to get buckets and stuff of 16 cents That makes it more. Yeah, maybe 20 on the high end, but fuck me. It was Uh, so seeing him just drop bullets like that He'll pick him back up I like the idea of him awkwardly picking them up, but he accidentally kicks one of my Yeah, they haven't quite left yet and Zevo can see about the window and fuck he's like, ah, fuck. Yeah Yeah, I'm picking him back up. What? Yeah, uh, someone said like he was yeah like 22 l.r. Is cheap as fuck, but except now Oh, uh, so so he was messing with it. It's like That's like the whole thing that we're questioning What are you doing? It's such a weird seed. I Also think it's just downright inappropriate I feel like bucky should have grasped exactly who zemo is by now and like there would be no need to bait killing him Especially at the fucking sycovian memorial. It's such a it just feels odd everything feels off Yeah Like he's sort of he's he's kind of an avenger and sycovy is dead kind of because of the avengers So an avenger not killing zemo at the sycovian memorial But it's really it's really weird. Yeah But like it's one of those metaphoricals. It's weird metaphorically. That's what I mean like really bizarre All the pieces in my head are just not matching up at all So I thought he's like lol pause bullets on floor and I'm like, why have you uh Why would you do this? Just add the seed, please It's so strange for vengeance to show us how far he has come to show us him change Oh, did you see he's he's raised his pistol at someone before it's like symmetry Even though it's not even the same fucking circumstances Yeah, and I it's bizarre that he does it. I think high top would understand that surely you'd be like There's no mirror here at all. This is literally just he wrote He doesn't need to understand because he could just because people just eat it up He has no there's no pressure on him to improve He doesn't want to he likes the I think he likes the idea of improving, but he doesn't know what that is He doesn't know what getting better is, you know something I um I noticed so this is like an actual one instead of his bullshit ones You guys have both seen the father something I noticed when uh, whichever was the latest time I was watching it You know when he's first in the kitchen and it's right before he first meets the husband that shouldn't be there at least from his POV Um, and he's putting away his his stuff for a moment, I was kind of just like We we sit a lot for a while with that scene. I say a while is like a minute Um, and I I wonder if it's simply just to put us in the in the shoes Like this is a normal day, which it does that great before everything starts to unravel. Um If you watch him in that scene He's got the bag and he's considering what to do with it and he swishes it From the left to the right and then his foot does a little little like subtle little kick motion And then he puts it in his pocket I think that's supposed to mirror what he sees the kid doing outside of the window About the the smaller parts to life the joys There's an old man putting away his shopping and he has the bag and he's got a temptation to just have it Wibbly wobble around and kick it around and stuff because that's fun Like oh, that's nice really subtle too This is bucky rose the gun against the person who killed him as a winter soldier Here he was raising it against zebo and deciding not to shoot at what he would we never thought he would I'm lost. I'm already lost. Yeah, nothing But yeah, uh I guess we'll keep going A violence honestly my biggest issues stem not even no don't let no no So if that's the message that's a bad message Let's go if you're an Avenger if you're an Avenger you don't let go of violence Violence is your job That's what you do. No, no, no, all right. I know Because I know they're trying to make this like a weird But it's this it's what we get with like carly killing. Um lemar and now captain america Uh, walker is not allowed to kill that one guy Like they have this strange relationship with violence that Like they they can't they don't fully grasp it like it's a concept that they're not prepared to talk about or tackle or that They they can't grasp You can't give up violence if you're the avengers. No, and that's your job That's what you do an opening episode falcon like kills many people Like I don't know why you would even pretend because like this is the thing I don't think that's what the message in the film or the show was I think he was just sort of like dropping that. I don't any interpretation you have of it I don't think he's gonna line up with other things in the show. That's just because of the incompetence So at this point, I'm just like it's just a neat visual. They wanted bullets slowly falling They do that in fucking everything. It's like our slow motion bullets falling. Isn't it cool? Um, I feel like it's a signifier that the violence is added. It's like that's stupid That's just really stupid. I don't know why you would say that Honestly though, my biggest issues stem not even from falcon and the winter soldier itself really but from how the previous films set up falcon and winter soldier Steven Careful, this it would oh if if we do it like they didn't do enough work To bring falcon winter soldier in it's like you've got the you got the wrong culprit at that point Yeah, this isn't in games It's just ford for many things but not this show Well, let's see what he says Winter soldier. Steve and Bucky's goodbye an endgame felt hollow to me. We missed a conversation A final farewell between two best friends two should have been a farewell to begin with but sure it shouldn't have yeah Yeah, it's like what? Because he's just we don't know where steve is. I assume he's dead Well, uh, interestingly Chris Evans is apparently going to be reprising his role In some way shape or form. It's undisclosed yet Huh, so get your worry faces back on folks So the second yeah, so that leaves a lot of fucking questions if he took up at any capacity It's going to be a major hole for falcon winter soldier immediately that he wasn't in any of his alive Yeah But I heard this from uh IGN with the people I read this so might be true might be a little more reputable Yeah, like I don't know that IGN typically lie about this sort of thing, but uh, so Don't know if true, but if he turns up in any capacity, we're like, uh, excuse me. We were the fuck with you, buddy Brothers that only implied the central physical conflict revolves around the real world Implications of the snap the five years where they are not prepared to even begin to talk about the real world Implications of the snap. There's no fucking way Very embarrassing Fundamentally changed so many died so many were left behind that's some serious shit And that's no no you're just saying what the show said, but you're not like you need more so many died so many were left behind like What do you mean? When you say that so many were left behind it almost sounds like he said enough to say the show didn't do a very good job of Fully representing it and if he does, you know points because he sounds like he sounds like carly Oh, you mean in terms of like Establishing that there is someone to blame like the GRC when all they've done is try to help people I don't even know. He just it's just empty There's no You know meet to any of it That's some serious shit and that serious shit is played seriously here given real consequences and impact Which is fan fucking nasty But I couldn't forget that less than five years ago broke me from home handle the five years The snap the blip as if it were some kind of comedic gag Well in finnish you can handle it with different tones with different circumstances. You can do that My issue is that the is more with i'm not actually I don't hate far from home that much for this like they didn't they avoid the shit out of addressing the blip They're just like, ah, we don't really want to Um, they have lots of little references for the world building about things trying to struggle to get back together But they clearly wanted to tell their own story. They didn't want to have to deal With uh explaining what the world is like post blip Um, the falcon and we're still to try to do that and it's miserable. Like it's a pathetic attempt One division again. It's just like yeah, it was really bad. We're gonna tell our own story Um having so this is the thing guys, uh as much as we often talk about how horrible it would be to have everyone Blip back in all different kinds of ways. There's gonna be funny ones Like so absolutely. I mean the one on the basketball court is a good example of If they just showed up and back doing their thing Yeah, yeah, that would be Humorous it's gonna there's gonna be funny ones and of course depending on the tone of the movie you're doing at the time like I know a lot of people, um Complained If you remember how far from opens there's like a school made Clip art sort of shitty presentation for remember the people who died from Endgame's events and it's like The joke is that it's the children trying to come up with this like respectful sort of funeral like thing That they play for the school, but it's really badly done with like different aspect ratios and poor quality Immediately trying to set the tone that far from home is going to be a lot more lighthearted than The events of endgame if you will especially like the ending how somber it was It's like yeah, that's that's how you do that's how you transition tones You're gonna have to be like right so our film isn't going to be like the one you just saw But it's taking place in the same universe. So you know the things you've seen apply Um, so yeah him being like it was treated like a joke in this film It's like so there is no film that's addressed the the blip properly the five you get no one's done that the russos fucked everyone over I'm sorry. Nobody is going to tell a spider-man story While also trying to assess to you exactly how everything's happened in the world like it's just not gonna happen It should be its own thing and it would be it would have to be but they just They could even make a tv show and it could be about different civilian lives Every episode could be a different scenario of people things coming back like many Almost like twilight zone episodes where every little episode is like a different scenario anthology theories. Yeah, kind of yeah But they're not going to do that. They won't do that because no it needs to be fight scenes That's almost like kevin feige denied chris happens returning so again don't know if true read it from ign don't know if true The blip sharon coming back and being rightfully pissed at the avengers that steve kind of forgot about her after she essentially Sacrificed that's just stupid that never would have happened. Sorry rear her life feels like a direct response to the films for getting about her Okay, I can agree with that for getting about her. Yeah, the russos didn't do anything for sharon carter So it's like even though they took it forwards. Wait. They created it. I created her. Yeah, so Stupid, how did you throw away line russos? It's all we needed throw away line Oh hell have her in the film. It's already, you know, you've got enough people already. Why not? It's such a yeah, what's one more thing I kind of agree with him on that one. Um, but at the same time it was it doesn't mean So like if we were writing it, we're like, you know what the russos forgot about it We're gonna make it so steve did it's like whoa chill out That doesn't make any sense at all in terms of like some kind of vengeance plaid on the writers. It's like no Turning out her broker feels like the only thing they thought they could do with her character It's a complete 180 character. The kind woman who looked up to wait. Are we Okay, so we've covered it. I think more than one person now More possibly three that believe that she's been assassinated instead of her being brainwashed or a scroll We automatically assumed those things but other people are treating this like it's an assassination It's like the show is aware that she's not sharon carter. At least I thought so So or at least not the same type of person Because there are only a few angles. She's not a different person or she or she's like just radically changed as a person And that's kind of the issue that we have Well, that's it's a result of bad writing like with the writing in this show I don't know if it's intentional or if they're just shit at writing Well, the prop. Yeah, the problem is like because it's marvel and we know that there's going to be more stuff coming in the future And they'd like to do their little teasers of things to come You never know anymore scrolls. Fuck everything up because now it's like oh, they could just be not them And that's always a possibility. Yeah, it's always a backdoor free You said the I think it was you were coming from someone else, but she was brainwashing the comics, correct Uh, I think yeah, I think civil war ended with her getting brainwashed and then shooting captain america from what I remember So that was what civil war ended and then like a story that was the follow-up had a brainwashed by hydra and then killed cap Like what she's doing seems so wildly out of character to me that I was like, oh, we're gonna get a reveal about her I didn't I didn't like I just feel like I'm starting to become like a bison on an island with this one I was just like I never thought that this was them saying that she's gone on some kind of journey That's made her evil like oh Because in which case, yeah, they they fucked her up completely if that's what they commit to But maybe that's the whole point is but Uh, I don't know. I feel like She's more likely to be a scroll. Yeah, I feel like scroll is really just because we know that they're doing that show And they need to start setting it up because that's how marvel works. You got to have little things Well, no, you don't actually because this show didn't take anything that was actually set up for them Yeah, so if it turns out that they actually argue. No, she's just evil now because they left her I'll be like, yes. That's a thorough assassination. Good job. Yeah, she's done. Like that's it. Sorry, Sharon. You're you're out It's a complete 180 character change from the kind woman who looked up to her by the way high top You agree that there is such a thing as 180 and character I'd like to talk to you about some other characters Listen endlessly sacrificing ant to a cold exploitative villain and it's all kind of steve's fault It's kind of the previous films fault for forgetting or just not knowing what to do with the character So what I will say is just because she isn't oh god just because she isn't mentioned doesn't mean that she's been Forgotten like narrative like you can easily fix that you can be like so this is what she was doing She was working with you know blah blah blah about blah blah blah. That's all you had to do You didn't have to make it evil Get what i'm getting at but can I really hold all that I get it? What was that? I don't get it. It's odd. I'm tired of you guys not understanding how autistic this is you get what i'm getting autistic Oh, it's autistic get in that but can I really hold all that did he like hit the camera? Yeah Interpret it, okay So the camera's shaky on him. He hits it and then it falls away as he's in this blue light looking bored I don't get it Against what the storytellers are now trying to do. Hell no and what they are trying to do is ask questions They're answering them. That's like a big go thing. What they're trying to do is ask questions Oh, I could have put that in every video about everything ever They're in civil war raised various political and social questions about our modern world But then never really answered them and instead when And I was whoa, I can't hear what you're saying Did he So I was about to agree with him I was like, yeah the mcu never followed through but he's implying that civil war didn't do anything with it What what do you mean? No civil war was what this show forgot. That's why it might seem that way Check us out because this show acts as a civil war never happened Check us out various political and social questions about our modern world But then never really answered them and instead went But they showed civil war so The explosion he's showing is when tony shoots the michel missile launch like covering thing to prevent bucky from escaping That's so that he can kill him. Yeah, he's referencing that like boom explosion. It's like really dude That's nuts It's like the most the one film that really tries to do the most to make this feel like a A world with realistic consequences and he's like no just the explosions Wow, he likes this crap and he like and this is my favorite mcu movie in years this Again, the thing that forgets civil war happened Oh, yeah, he says like it doesn't answer anything. So the end of civil war has Two two options you basically work with the government for as long as you can until they have you do something Or they don't let you do something that you decide is too much a part of you that you can't part with Or on principle you separate them immediately and you work on your own outside of the law Like that in relation to whether or not you should allow the government to have any regulation over the use of your power as an individual Like those are the answers if you really want to go that far And then there's lots of bits in between there's a lot of characters choosing between the two sides Or trying to reach some kind of conclusion There's lots of arguments like the idea that civil war didn't do anything with it except explosion Fight tody explosion like what the hell? It matches the trend of he doesn't watch these movies. He doesn't remember them. He just Yeah, I don't know how his brain works His brain doesn't work I was worried this would be another case of that. I was worried they would have wait He's saying the only good thing is tony story. Everything else is flashy garbage That explains a lot I don't I I didn't even know that you can pull that out necessarily what he's saying But that would also be like I can't take it high top. Please Yeah, how do all the stuff with fucking social questions about our modern world? But then never really answered them and instead went boom And I was worried this would be another case of that I was worried they would half-acidly resolved by zaia bradley struggling and ignore they did they did They did I know I know a lot of people like and it doesn't make sense how they did A lot of people like the isaia bradley like like ending You know scenes because the dumb but like it did for me. It was just like it was like a stolen payoff It's just like oh, we're doing that now. That's just happened now. There's nothing Like his history has been so thoroughly erased that nobody has any reference for it He may as well literally have just been teleported into this universe, but Because what like what Falcon appeals to the the courts and the the people who organize all that It's just like no this guy definitely did exist and he did all of these things trust me totally true Okay In a world where like so much shit gets falsified It's like it would have taken so long and there would have been so much in so many Investigations and thorough things that have to get done before that could possibly happen And that's what I would have preferred that it took a really long time And at first it's a small like it's like a footnote in the captain of america area And that alone is enough to make bradley like to be like like well up the fact that he's got any kind of recognition Instead of like a full thing in in a matter of just instantly it's just there just like oh, okay He's got a golden statue. The government's fine with it. I guess the government's totally cool with this all being a thing And that doesn't create any issues. That's what I mean you and the problem with isaac story was like they must have improved It's like not everything was thoroughly erased like okay, then you can't have it be that he could suddenly have his own, you know Display there's no fucking proof And the government tried to keep that a secret anyway And falcon just goes and does it how how did he do that? Was the government cool with this? The payoffs poorly handled because it's just it's it's very I want this is kind of unfair. I was about to say it's like childish rushed But I was like yes children's stuff is usually better Very it's a child's understanding of how it might work, I guess I should say Yeah Yep, I think that's a serious and powerful of his story But the final episode solidifies that falcon and winter soldier wants to actively question the system with as much Authenticity as you could possibly get with the disney producer As much authenticity as you could possibly get Maybe he's right now. You can never get more authentic than this So now I think he's trying to he's trying to cover for them being like oh, well, this is disney This is the most that disney would let you do I still think he's well He's implying like He wouldn't want to imply for a moment that disney would capable of releasing something that's authentic because they're an evil horrible corporation So they always do this they have this true But they can still well the people who make this stuff are different than the yeah We we don't have any trouble saying that but he's a part of like a group of people that would just like fuck corporations, right? So you have to throw this in every once in a while Similar with pigs, I guess, you know, it's amazing that high tops managed to restrain himself on that front What I'm gonna say is maybe he's right and he sees authenticity as basically being like things should be better You guys need to do better Okay, that's pretty authentic. You know because like I He recognized that good people want stuff to be better bad people. That's not what they want That's authenticity. Okay I might even say that's just glorious masterful writing The corporate machine it's shockingly sincere and it's execution. It's not they made it up on the spot There's nothing sincere about it. Just you have an actor who's fooling you which I mean credit to them I suppose he's a good actor But he's doing a good job. Yeah. Yeah, but there's nothing behind it It's like the bucky scene at the beginning of which episode was it um Oh, I think yeah, whichever one that was it's like the actor is doing a really great job They're fooling you Into thinking that is a deeper earned like Lately with most content is it's really just the writers who are failing everybody else Like the actors and cinematographers and all them. They're doing a great job And it's just the writing lets it all down because that is like the one part you can't fuck up You need to nail that bit. Yeah, that's we're in trouble Yeah, apologizes for it. We'll never Let a black man be kept in America And you're gonna have a bunch of middle league because I say isn't fucking idiot. Oh, no. Oh boy. Hold on Oh, oh, is this the text? All right. Okay. So that is all that I found is actually like Wait, don't read it. I can read it. Don't worry. No, no, don't read it. I can't so I can't if I wanted to Hang on. I will Interate what needs to be done Because I can I can read this. No, no, no, I don't want you to So like we'll we'll I have an idea. All right, just need to say you sneaky little like Wait, you talk about him because I was about to say we can talk about the fact that he this message is quite Loaded, uh, it is very this is the one that's directed at us. Um That's why I'm saying you like specifically e-fap or I would almost certainly say it's almost specific Well, you could make you could judge it when we get to it. So Um The thing about this that it's just like he's like He wants it to be said, but he doesn't want to have to deal with someone responding to it. Okay It's like this weird. Will. He lives there. He's like because he's coward He's a coward. Uh, I was gonna use that word and then you used it and now I'm gonna talk about how yeah I was gonna use that word. Yeah, that's about right. Oh, okay I was just saying the first time it's sneaky. It's very sneaky like of doing this Having really thin tiny texts to actually take a shot at somebody No, but why even have it there like what? Well, it'll make sense In terms of like he's at the point of he just laid out a whole bunch of what is so meaningful about the show But I think by talking about isa, uh, there's a clear like oh shit. None of that makes any sense though And so now he wants to address those who are like, ew, this doesn't make sense though This is always gonna be directed at so I think this could be amusing Uh, where are you? That's probably good enough All right, so I'm gonna I I'm gonna read it all out in one big go for chat and then we will go through it. Okay Um, okay, I'm gonna have Background for it. I think it's suitable So I guess you guys should probably mute and just watch the stream for the next Um, well it ends with with thank you for watching. So as soon as you hear that you can jump back in Okay, uh, let me all right. Let me go to thing press live Okay, delki All right, we go chat Get that background. I don't believe in bad It didn't work for you That's totally cool But what if what what if it did work for somebody? What if a different audience member watched this And had a profound response to it Is that still bad? Why do so many critics Only focus on the script elements that don't work for them when film is a visual medium composition lighting movement rhythm color And a thousand more visual elements Are used to give you a feeling To elicit an emotion When we don't feel that intended feeling We too often consider it bad I used to use bad a lot And I am totally guilty of still using it too much But when it comes to art Someone's form of expression A wonderful collaboration of people Who put their souls into their work Can we stop acting like it's a piece of meat to be judged? I read too many comments I see Too many other artists on this platform That ridicule And mock Those who passionately express their love for something Why are we mocking those who share their love? There is nothing that comes from spewing hate And then hiding that hate behind critique I'm still learning this lesson It's fun being a dick and roasting something But there are always people behind the writing you read The videos you watch The art you consume And no artist has ever set out to make something That gets called bad by idiots like myself on youtube If somehow you read all of this Thank you Thank you for watching Is that the end of that? That is it Okay So half way through I was like kind of okay But then when he started doing the attacks I was actually kind of getting a little bit annoyed It's yeah, he's a he's a coward, but I don't like tactically I don't get why you would put this here so that Why? I think I think it is just the thing of like because if he was just to say it out loud Then it's like really easy to attack that but because it's this really small thing of text It's almost like you're attacking somebody but not You know you can kind of like reduces the chances that someone will respond to it. Can I yeah I think it's indirect You know what I mean this thing I want you guys to see after hearing all of that is this This came after his video was released by the way Oh Wow So you just shat on everything you just said alex like What to tell you there wearing immortal hulk and I'm now realizing just how bad hulk fans have it when it comes to the flicks What do you mean? What do you mean bad he's saying that the film was Yeah, wait, what are you talking about endgame dab at that they didn't intend to make that and have it be bad They were trying and it was something they were had yeah acting visuals Framing color and they weren't trying to make something bad There was a person behind that there were a lot of people behind that high top. How dare you It's how dare you they put a lot of passion into their word. Yeah guys Nobody nobody believes this Nobody believes when they say this whole thing of like everything is whatever you want it to be nobody believes that You can push everybody to a certain point where they will concede that there is some level of craft to anything You're never going to find somebody who's doing that because if they do that They basically don't even live in the world that we live in they're just listing around Everything is everything and can be anything and there's no such thing as good or bad There's nobody like that they would be if people if people um If people were critical I guess is what i'm trying to say because people are not critical of media They're very easy to fool if everyone was actually good At dissecting this stuff and looking at it then people like high top. They'd be out of a fucking job Yes Like they they would be they'd be doing something else. They'd be fucking Supersizing your fries or doing something they're good at. I don't know They they wouldn't be doing this. The only reason that these creators exist Is because people are not critical in any way and because people are super duper easy to fool So just they rely on it all being whatever Because everything is whatever you don't need to make arguments you can just say what you feel and nobody can criticize you But like yeah, what is the point of this? What do you do that is better than or worse than what anybody else does when you look at any video that you make How can you say that you've improved if anything is anything you can't improve? It's all as light or good as each other your videos from like four years ago. We're totally fine There's no such thing as bad. You said they were perfect What if somebody came up to you hide top and was like, oh, you know that video that you probably hate now Oh, that really hit me in the fields like emotionally or that got me And then you said that it was bad and they're like oh man That really upsets me because like I extract value from that that does something for me And like now if you if you operate by the standard of there's Your reaction to something which can't really be invalidated ever which isn't even a standard Well, yeah, it's not a standard. It's just how you felt which can't be invalidated because you felt it like I feel like you don't even need to explain this what you feel can't be invalidated because you felt it The fact that you had that feeling That's just something that happened. Yeah, maybe your emotions Aren't something concrete enough or reliable enough to put that much reliance in maybe Some kids need to be told when they're growing up that just because you feel something Doesn't mean that it's good or accurate or deserving of your emotion Maybe just because you cried at something Maybe Whatever it was didn't really deserve that tear from you I feel like it comes back to the whole thing. We're talking way earlier Where it's like you felt stuff figure out why And then they do and they make a video like this and it's like, okay So you fucked up many times you've not identified why you felt what you felt You've identified why you think you felt what you felt because that shit didn't happen Either that or you actually have no idea like maybe i'm operating with too much good faith here And you just didn't spot any of the bullshit in the show and so You know like the transactions complete they saw the scene They've gotten the feeling from experiencing what they thought the scene was then they watched it again after we talk about it And they're like, hmm Okay, you're right. Yeah, there's lots of bullshit in here And i'm not getting the same emotional experience I was before and that is like a fucking annoying experience for a lot of these people Like you just stole that from me. That's the meme. It's like you stole my emotions Yeah, yeah, you're destroying art. You stole it. You stole it from yourself because you realized something because you grew Yeah, you you you identified something that changes how you feel about the original Just because you feel something I that is so weird the idea that you felt it at that moment And that is like the valid the valid thing forever. Like that's it you just That that's the final say on on what it meant to you maybe Just maybe The reason why you look back at the things that you used to do and the things that you used to feel And it makes you cringe and you feel ashamed of it is because you've grown as a person And you're better now than you used to be Which is totally possible and indeed you probably ought to be cringing when you look back in the past If you're not cringing it means you haven't changed enough. I don't think Yeah, if you my behavior when I was a child or when I was growing up or when I was a dumb teenager Is just as acceptable as my behavior now and I see nothing wrong with what I did Don't know how many people can say that and it's a good thing Yeah, sorry, I'm just rereading like why do so many critics focus on script elements that don't work for them when film Well, do we want to go? Well, yeah, well, yeah, well, yeah, shall we shall we go through? We will we will I guess if there's anything else before we do that I was just gonna say that I just love this image that it came right after his video because not really use the word bad But he's talking about a project that many people worked on. He's just like, uh, bad. Yeah, okay Like thousands of people So like I guess it's a really great way to start because like no matter what you actually pulled from his Comment here. It's he doesn't believe in it So if you thought it was like insightful or if he was actually going to pay attention to it It's like no, uh, there is a note where he's like, I'm still, you know, not quite great at doing it yet And it's like oh as if he doesn't fucking know that he's doing this every single time He says anything is bad And yeah, I guess the rest of the commentary will come when we uh, we'll just go through it piece by piece Well, even if he's right or wrong, he's certainly confident enough to say that something is bad I think so I yeah, so this is I guess the funny part about words, uh They would basically say like whenever I say good or bad. I mean, I liked it and I didn't like it However in their scripts, they will often describe things that they liked and didn't like and then they will describe something as this one This is best. This is good. This is great. And it's like sounds like you're making a difference there. What is it? And then they go, oh, it's just that I like it a lot Well, that's what we asked twin perfect How do you differentiate between the things that you think are better than others because we we had to get there because Good and bad don't work because he can't face reality So we have to baby step our way to how do you just differentiate two things where you think one is better Why is one better than the other and it's just a question you refuse to answer Because they know they can't that that's the forbidden zone if I go down this path I'll have to admit that I actually do have a standard maybe deep down that I just have been it's like it's like my id Like standards are that that monster inside of me that feral part of myself that I have that I've grown past And I'm more sophisticated than it and I and I can't actually address it because then everything crumbles after that It's two foundations. So I have to ignore it. I have to compartmentalize that into some part of my Psyche as best as I can and train myself to not think about it. That's why you need to go head on That's why I've always felt that whether or not you even fucking Remotely agree with how we assess stuff at least we've stayed consistent on what the words mean Yeah, I actually understand what we're saying when we say it to you whether or not you You know like the way we describe them what words or whatever. It's like it's fairly relevant compared So you understand exactly what we're saying If um, I guess an example would be Wait, what the fuck was I even gonna say? I don't know carry on that was weird. I just I well literally just had a mental reset. I was that's weird. I suppose we can we can get into it Um, let me use the blue real quick and top off my drink before we get into it I'm probably gonna need some Cold juice down the throat Yeah, and I know it's hard to read everybody but that again is because he shoved it into a really quick part of the video and really tiny writing and I don't know any other reason that he's just like, yeah, I want to say this but I don't really want it to be a big thing You better don't be big thing, buddy. Well, I mean we've got so much to say about all of it. It's so horribly written Yeah, it's gonna be great I I I guess Sneaky, you know it doesn't This this this is not Uh, yeah, let's just we'll go through it needs to take it piece by piece because when I was listening to it halfway through I'm like, uh, it's pretty standard But then once second half star does actually getting annoyed Well, it's funny because like the the overall vibe you get from messages like this are a sense of um, please reduce the toxicity But they're always very toxic. They always shove stuff in there. It's very like Like goblins little little things to sneak in like yeah, get you I'm gonna get you Yeah, I'm particularly interested in the part where he says can we stop acting like it's a piece of meat to be judged When he's praising things. It's like, do you know what you do when you praise something? You're judging it like a piece of meat And what it How you doing chat We're at five and a half hours. We still got two and a half videos to go Christ Man, I know especially the opening as well be like, oh, how could you even do this for 11 hours? You weirdos? It's like, I know I know It takes a level of uh Endurance, I guess. I like the thought that dad. This is some good steak. What the fuck is wrong with you from Apparently this guy. This is like, well, that's that's the realization. What he means to write here is you're allowed to praise stuff Don't criticize it That's the true part of it. But you know, you know, I'm really prostrating one Yeah, nobody wants to actually say that because that sucks. It's like, wait, what do you mean? That just means we have to be dishonest now and In inherent in a praise is an implication of a criticism as in the opposite equaling The opposite result, right? I think we went over this with a whole like I I think this is really good because it is consistent with this other thing You're like, so it would have been bad if it was inconsistent and then you just have to be silent. You're like, I Wouldn't comment either way on that. Nope All I do is I guess your voice I don't know. I've always found it really annoying. I because I remember having this comment like The idea that if if you if you have a perspective that's positive, it's just that's good But if you have a perspective that's negative, your opinionated it despite the fact that both of them are opinions But like having positive views on something That's just totally fine. And you know what negativity is called for sometimes I want to tell you sometimes sometimes there are merits to actually having things to say that aren't positive I think so too And I think that it can be tough to get the kind of criticism you need Because a lot of friends might not deliver it because they feel bad Yeah It's it's it's you can't expect You can't expect to improve at any enterprise Including a creative one if you're unwilling to accept that you can potentially fuck it up I think I think this idea that simply because you had an idea and that you expressed it means that you It is impossible for you to have made any error at all It's not the path to improvement for any person who does Anything like this whether it means writing or art or cinematography or photography or acting The idea that there is no such thing as like good or bad acting good or bad artwork. There's a reason why What if there was no If there was no good or bad, why would you even need to learn how to do it? How could you ever improve? What is the difference between quentin tarantino and just somebody who got their phone and whipped it out and recorded something? What distinguishes the two because experience means nothing It by their shower shape redemption in the room for the same They're just the same. Yeah. Yeah, but nobody knows that's the thing Nobody accepts that once you start actually comparing the best with the worst Well, they'll do is do they'll do the exactly once you bring up the room or hitler everyone's opinions It's just oh, oh, oh, oh They'll do the thing though. They'll go. Oh, come on. Oh, come on now. Yeah as if oh come on as an argument There are so many people who don't understand analogies It really pisses me off analogies are so useful for figuring out what it is You actually think and everybody gets really evasive and defensive anytime. There's well. Oh, well, that's absurd It's like that's the point like no, it's not it's not absurd at all. I mean, they're the same. What do you mean? That's not gonna say the example we're talking about the room isn't absurd at all It's like, yeah, the two films are two stories. So get to it Tell me tell you two emotional stories about loss and The group of people behind You know a man is friends and you know justice and I just It's about family. It's about oh boy. Alrighty then I'm fine with either of you looking to read this out if you want to Uh, I fuck me I can Hold on. Let me I need to lead closer. I don't believe in bad But uh, if it didn't work for you, that's totally cool. I don't actually have a picture of it that I can read. Oh, sorry Oh, yeah, so It says I don't believe in bad I don't believe in bad if I if it didn't work for you. That's totally cool But what if it did work for someone? All right, so we're off to a bad start I would say because now we've we've locked bad in to mean Not enjoyed by anybody, which is what just right thought it was not what it means Yeah, um so like I said The room in hitler Those are the only two examples that you'll probably ever need really you could always fall back to the room in hitler Yeah, it's great. You should try it at home what if Hitler you're right. You just you just plug him plug him in plug him in the room in What if it what what if it did work for someone? Well, what about all the stuff hitler did that worked for him? What then? Well, that's absurd rags. That's ridiculous well Can you explain why though? because well uh What if a different guy, you know Well, I I know what they would say it wouldn't escape them But it would get them to the next part of the argument. They would say well hitler's a person not like a not like a piece of art Hmm They would say hitler. Oh, well, well this would be like. Oh, what if the things that hitler did work for him? Like what what if that was all right with him? What what if he got out again? There's a resonance from that this thing You've got to skip him down the yellow brick road because there's gonna be like that's actions He took that I can damn morally. This is artwork. There's no no one's being harmed with artwork Well, he's talking about the creation of films. That's those are actions taken Uh, yeah That you have to I'm trying to think of how they would even get around this I basically just want to skip them all the way down to like a bizarro world, isn't it? Don't believe it bad. It's such a silly thing to say but um the Something working for someone. I yeah, I would just be like so What if they've highlighted something? Let's go to the extreme, right? What if they highlight something that didn't actually happen in it? What do you do with that? Like well, that would never happen. It's like no, I'm saying it did in this hypothetical Someone someone said like I really loved it fucking. What did Jared say? He loved it when Ray killed Han Solo Well, some yeah so If I said a movie the force makers was bad because Ray killed Han Solo Uh Well, what are you gonna like or I said it was good because of that I guess you'd have to tell him that didn't happen And if they said hypothetically if that happened then you just treat it like a hypothetical and why that was in But if that's something That they believed I guess you'd have to convince them that that didn't happen But I assume we're in the within the capacity to rewatch or use references, right? And then we'd be like so it didn't happen now what And um if this was only ever about Like we've done this plenty of times someone's like okay. Well everything you brought up. I think is valid But I still like it. It's like right Okay, so I am correct. That's all I need. Thank you Like as long as we we're all on board with the same references. It's like, yeah, that's fine then If you if you agree that I'm correct with everything that I've said And the implications you would think that you're also agreeing with which I don't think so if you're saying that but um Okay, yeah bad and good, but if you're gonna like it no matter what you're basically saying I like it no matter what And what and if that's the case how what an immense devaluation of the things if you liking things if you like oh, yeah You'd think that they would be what does that mean structurally upon things of some kind Um, but maybe they can argue It was it was about the actors it stars my like my brother in it or something So I just love it because I love seeing my brother act. You know like, okay, um That's like a different thing that you're pretty it's not really a story. You're appreciating. There is it Nothing to do with it actually At the same time I just I always get amused by how we have everyone seems to assume that we all have the exact same definition of Good and bad when that's like one of the few words in English language that have like a laundry list of possible definitions Yeah, and he used in all contexts all the time for all kinds of different things and yet he's like So it can't be bad if someone else liked it Which so many people say all the time seven billion people someone's gonna like it And yeah, of course, as you said with Hitler, there's just easily we could we could we just have to figure out How he's defining this word with a couple of questions. That's all that would be And then we'd be able to contradict it because it's not going to be hard That's contradicts the last video we watched so much assertions that this is this and that's that and these are v's Like boom that falls apart Continue real Uh, oh like with this particular thing I don't know if you want to say anything about it or not Well, it's just it You can react to a piece of content however you want. It's a different conversation. It's just unrelated Like yeah, you can feel whatever way you want obviously, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the craft itself Just feel like that was obvious, but I guess not like there is a difference Well, I feel like this is We come back to this every once in a while Yeah Back to the basics of some of these people so Moving around. All right, uh next one Uh, when what if a different audience member? What's this and had a profound response to it? Is it still bad? Yeah, potentially because the profound response could just depend on your life experiences and stuff Which is fine, but it's a different conversation You could literally have hallucinated Well, what's funny is this is him trying to thoroughly explain his position I'm like, all right, so I need you to define bad now because I need before you you need to do that so that I can answer your question um If we were swap out bad for inconsistent the storytelling, what if they had a profound response to it? Is it still inconsistent? It's like, yeah, categorically the whether or not they find it profound wouldn't change that Okay, but what if you had a prime response of it? Do you still consider it like an unethical product or something? I'd be like, uh I assume I came to that conclusion irrelevant of whether or not they found it profound. So yes Um, and so apparently he made that So that he would disown it now, but he'll keep it up because it's his most popular video Um, he's such a hypocrite. It's so hard to keep track of his fucking positions um and again like If if someone's if someone experienced something profound Well, I was gonna my third one means yeah, go ahead. So my third one was gonna be Is it uh, if bad is defined as nobody had a profound response to it Would it still be bad if someone had a profound response to it? It's like well, then it wouldn't be bad because that's how you've defined that weird Which feels to me how he's done this. He's baked bad into meaning the thing that isn't possible And so stop saying it and it's like, yeah, that's your problem, buddy You've not really paid attention to what we even mean what we say bad Yeah, then then all we have to do is just change our word We could literally make up a word for it on the spot if we need to Um Because we're we're getting you know, this is just a term thing the anyway Um Why do so many critics only focus on script elements that don't work for them when film is a visual medium because the script is The story at like its most fundamental level also all visuals are the script is they that's what it's the vision What you that's you seeing the script is right visuals tweet about this the other day Like for some reason these people think that when a character is like walking somewhere or pulling a lever shooting stuff It's like that's visuals. That's not writing. It's like of course. There's visuals. It is writing Oh, sorry, of course, that's visual. I had right the visuals and writing are not These separate entities It's not dichotomous like the writing is everything that happens that is the right the writing is the story at its fundamental level It's like this Because I mean you always boil it back right like the just a person telling a story to somebody else is like Fundamental writing even though they haven't written it down, but then it's like book. That's like the most fundamental Yeah, that's why any story because you write it all down because it's it's you write it down It's like anything could be turned into like a book Or the actual words written down on a piece of paper And then like anything that you add on to that is like It's expanding upon the fundamental idea that like whatever the story is It is a bunch of words that are just on the page Or like that somebody came up with and wrote down somewhere It's just a catcher word for every, you know, sort of idea And then of course the good old visual storytelling I'm going to give a lesser example and then a more like it We stray further or further away from like a concrete So if you have a story of a guy who's Struggling to deal with the fact that he's much older than he was like we were tooling around with idea for like a superhero That would do that right that could be a cool superhero story He's really really all and there's those examples of other people have done it and stuff I was just saying like you have that Nowhere in the script is a scene that happens But they came up with it on set and they decided to keep it in the edit where there's just a scene transition He's getting up and he was supposed to be that he gets up and goes into the kitchen or whatever But he gets up and he's got a mirror And he just the camera zooming slowly out panning out and he's just staring at it And then we cut to him in the kitchen And someone's like see you're not really considering that because you only talk about the writing I'm like, oh, that's part of the writing. I'd be talking about that. Yeah, that's something he did That was an action he took that was something we were shown and then If they were able to finally concede on that if we had For example, I'm not referencing anything specific here But if somebody's brain was falling apart and at one heart in the actual Movie itself there's a character who is drinking tea and they drop their mug and it smashes across the floor And they're tearing up as they try and collect all of the pieces If someone said you can't judge that because that's more metaphorical. It's not writing I mean like what are you talking about? How did the actress figure out that she was supposed to do that? If it was a man, how would you know, it's like Like how do they know to do these things I mean and then So I'm already baffled by like they think so much is left out if you're only and they The weird the poisonous words like you only talk about plot You stop using that it makes it sound like we only talk about whether or not the correct amount of bullets We're in a fucking gun. That's this like it goes so far beyond just that Yeah, naturally. Oh boy Uh composition lighting movement rhythm color and a thousand more visual elements are used to give you a feeling To elicit an emotion. Yeah, but how yeah, but like The writing is like the one inextricable element like that's the one that you can't not have You can have a scene that has like no like that's pitch black and if characters are talking it still functions as a story But like if it's just nothing at all The writing is the one element that you can't do without that's why books are a thing that can exist It's just writing It is just writing and there is still a story. You remove the visuals. It becomes like a radio thing Don't remove the audio. It becomes a book. Yeah, you don't you can tell stories to blind people Yep You can tell stories to deaf people and so When we start stripping it away and he's like you take this one by one He's like composition. I'm like so be specific and he's like, oh well So how they frame the camera in these hallways to make it look really narrow and the characters in the center to sort of imply Like the world is coming in on them or like a claustrophobia. I'd be like you can talk about that in writing You wouldn't have to necessarily say that that's strictly composition and non-writing. I don't know why you said this Again it's a metaphor Each of the payoffs in different ways. Yeah, and it's the same with like audio cues because I mean a lot of a lot of like What the Because writing can achieve this as well through tapping into for lack of a better word the kinesthetic aspects of like human experience Because you got audible and visual, but like books tend to have to use words to Get into to to like transmit the feeling that they want you to have into yeah The information has to get into your brain somehow Yeah in a subconscious way So like you can write it in a way that makes people get goosebumps or makes people sort of like oh Shit, something's ramping up and makes their heart race and all of that is again It comes down to any story could be translated into a like a book And if you and if that's the case like it can be translated into words That is the one that's it like that's the that's the the core of it And that's not to undermine any of the other elements of like filmmaking or visual like in terms of music or Like cinematographers or anything like that those are all important. It's just the idea that like at the fundamental level There is the story that is written down somewhere Even if it's just in someone's head it's still Written down Yes, right think of writing in a not not like necessarily ink on pages. No. Yeah, that's right It's for lack of a better term writing it's it's it's the ability that humans have to Craft a concept or craft some sort of sequence the the abstract thoughts that you have that create a sequence of events So the one i'm super interested in is is lighting specifically, right? So you have a character at a bar and they sort of move forward to speak to a character And they've got light on one side of their face and the other side is shadow And this is a person that can't quite be trusted they lie they backstab us when you're like, ah, I see however, if you have Something like that and then high top is like, oh man, I just I feel it just looks so good. And you're like, what about it? Like what are you sort of picking up from it that you really enjoy and you go? No, I just I just like the way that it's lit I'll be like, okay So that's shallow as fuck That's fine. Yeah, okay. Yeah, whoever did that did a you know, don't uh, don't mistake me, right? If you were like, wow, so it's just shallow to like a visual now I'd be like, I mean kind of like this planning stuff. I like the way that it looks and I'll say that I just go Yeah, I just like the way that it looks Um, doesn't necessarily make me think of anything had a lot of really good reasons and I don't think that should be something We should be upset about something like, uh The a shot of a sunset could be just a shot of a sunset. It's like, yeah, it's pretty gorgeous You're like, yeah, all right, but in a particular movie a particular point or storyline You'd be like, no, no, no this represents and then you go on for a while But why it's so important and impactful um And I yeah, I would just argue it's like, oh, yeah, you know, that's that's a much more thorough reasoning Which is what people would do for the uh, the the binary sunset with the luke at tlj But the counters would be the story You know, yes, this visual is it's like it's like your emotions like maybe That thing Is not earned And I think it can happen that um, you feel a certain way about something Someone gives you a reason why that might be and if that is the only one you have just like, yeah, you know what? This is the reason And and the reason I bring that up is that someone is like, I love that binary sunset and it turns out the whole reason It's just it looks nice. It's like, I really like the look of it I really like the composition of it and someone else says oh It's because of them Then they just label all this shit that happens in the story and that person goes that is the reason I like it Yeah, and then someone else goes none of that made any sense all that's incongruent They they omitted so many things and they made up some things Just be like, fuck you. I I like the sunset shut up And it's like calm down. You can still like it. I didn't do anything to you liking it. I like it Yeah, we're not talking about whether or not you like it though. That's different It just gets attached the way that you like different things might be Like weighed differently Naturally, you know like the way that I Yeah, go ahead the the way that I appreciate the Let's say the story and the characters and the prestige Not everything has to be on the same like I I could look for it. You go outside. Oh, that's a pretty leaf You know, you go, it's a pretty leaf Right. I don't like that in the same way that I I like or that I value a very tight script Yeah, well something very meaningful I think it's it's it's kind of funny now that I think about it It's almost ironically arrogant to assume that like the way that you personally respond to something is worth more than somebody trying to Do it in a clinical way. Well, not clinical, but trying to do it in a way Analytical reasons. Yeah, analytical. I think it's better Because I'm thinking now like Why is it that walley is my favorite Pixar movie? It's like, well, I actually think it's the best But I think walley has advantages that other films don't because I really like space So when I see him flying around in space, it's a great sequence But like it's enhanced more for me because I personally just like space And that's not really worth anything on its own Like if I were just to say that that doesn't really mean anything Like it's more informative about you than the film. Yeah Well, that that's kind of what I'm getting at is if if I made a video where I was just talking about that I would need to do better than just saying I like space. So seeing space makes this good Or it makes it meaningful to me in the same way that um, you look at that Like I like snow settings. I like those settings. So it wouldn't mean anything that if a story was Yeah, but if a story was set in like that area And it just appeals to me more that doesn't mean anything that shouldn't necessarily mean anything to anybody else Why would I assume that it would mean anything to anybody else just because I personally like it And and that's different than if you said I like this sequence and walley because I like space and zero gravity and the that's that whatever it is You like about space that you could nail down if you could because you don't know why you like or dislike everything you like or dislike Um, but theoretically saying I like this sequence and walley because I just really like space stuff That would be different than saying I like this conversation that these two characters have Because of and you give a reason that's just incorrect Or I like this plot element because remember last scene where he pulled that lever and that's that's that when that didn't happen Or that was incorrect or just you're not remembering it Explaining why you like two different things not necessarily on the same level, especially if they're just objectively wrong And I think I think the reason why I brought that up is because I read ahead to the next sentence and it's me thinking about how sometimes you it's it's That the person who made the work Might not have been able to even comprehend that you would respond to something in such a way because it's just based on your personal experience and that's Great and that's like one of the really that's that's a really cool thing about Storytelling and art in general is the idea that it can hit you in ways that doesn't necessarily hit other people because of your life experience or your values Like that's great But you follow up to the next sentence where it's when we don't feel the intended feeling we too often consider it bad I think it's important to make a distinction And this is something I've been thinking about because I think I want to talk about it maybe in a video Like suspension of disbelief is not It's not like something that when you enter into a story There is an understanding that it's like not real or that it's not a real thing that happened But you enter into that story Almost like there's an almost unspoken agreement between the person who made the story and the person entering into it I am going to treat this as legitimate for lack of a better word Like I am going to approach this with the understanding that That if that that it can affect me in a way that something that isn't real Logically shouldn't because it's doing something well In terms of you know hitting all the beats and that and then it's you go into it And you give it kind of the benefit of the doubt is kind of what suspension of disbelief is In in in a certain sense and there's only so many times that it can contradict what you understand to be the way that reality works That it's like oh, it's broken. It's done like it's collapsed. It's I don't know about I don't know about calling it reality um Like I mean like cause and effect. That's kind of what I mean like you're understanding. Yeah, in that sense Yeah, I don't mean reality of the sense of yeah, so I don't mean things like um like that There are space ships or magic because you can buy into that if that's all consistent I mean the idea that you can even understand what's happening by understanding that Yeah, internally coherent in the way that it makes sense a connects to b connects to c And you can deal with some of those snaps, but there's only so many until it's like Oh, I just can't take this seriously anymore. Like it's over. It's broken. It's it's utterly collapsed It's now into bad. It failed at what it was meant to do Yeah, it's what's key about that would be they tell us something is something and they tell us something is also not something Well now I I'm stuck. I can't I can't have both you have to tell me which one it is Yeah, you could you could only play along which is essentially what is it's especially to just believe this I'm gonna play along. Yeah, right. We were agreeing that I'm going to play along with your uh With your fictional whatever it is or with your account because the story is an account of a series of events um So yeah, eventually that breaks, you know Now where where that is is different for different people. Um, I should hope that outright contradictions Effects everyone I would hope that clearly it doesn't I wish that it sort of did in a way to to bolster you quickly The reason why I would want people to value it is because the value they got in the first place was coherency, right? Like things building on each other if they value that process then surely they devalue the process of it breaking surely You have to it's just it's dichotomous kind of and that's yeah Because you don't you don't value everything the same and there's reasons for that You might not know them and you're not and you're not obligated to know them But it would probably be helpful if you did Like there's a lot of things and especially because we were talking about earlier, you know a beautiful sunset or that's that's the That's just that's just really pretty for a lot of people and I I don't know why it is it just seems to be the case that it is And similar things seem to also be very appealing visually But I couldn't tell you why yeah, I mean there's there is a reason in my brain why it works, but I don't know Well, why complicated because remember anything that we because there was no such thing as beautiful like in in the universe Like the universe just is like when you use the value to be on things. Yeah Yeah And it kind of applies to like the way that we approach but store store stories are a lot more a bit complicated because it's Store the the idea of a story is like a human concept Like story is kind of what you impose on just a sequence of events And yeah, a story requires an agent. Yeah, it's not there's not a they don't stories don't exist without minds Yeah, exactly and so and so it's and it's and it applies the same way and like well Well the creation of them not Just to be good the creation stories if we all died books would still exist books would still exist But they're meaning ceases to exist without people But it's just the whole idea that the way that we understand the universe to be is that It's cause and effect like we don't operate the way that we do without cause and effect the idea that This can cause that that there is past present and future And so a story needs that because if it doesn't again, it's like bob went to the shops He didn't have legs. He bob walked to the shop. He didn't have legs. He got the food the end It's like there is something there that just doesn't That story doesn't function anymore. I have questions. Yes. I require. Yeah I have questions about your tail. Yeah, as opposed to bob went walk to the shops He had legs. He bought some food. It's like, ah, you you can see that like you can see that story I just like the idea is like maybe needed to let you know, you had legs. You're like, I figured but okay What it there is It was um a short story Uh called knock um And I think the It's like the shortest Generally guarded is how do you count can you tell a super short story? Which is the last man on earth sat alone in his room. There was a knock on the door And that is that's that's like that's it's it's two sentences. It's super short You don't have all the information you need clearly. Is it delusional? Is there something out there is You don't need it doesn't have to be complex and you don't have to have all the information And there there's just there's so much you could do with it As well with just just even that as a premise We're we're talking about We're having big I feel like all of this would be lost on high top. I think well, you need this Yeah, this is like your base. This is what we're all talking about here Is like because I can picture so we'll be in like, oh my god get on with also like you don't understand This is all of the like foundational stuff before this is what we're all working with This is all like the gears behind all of the the statements we make in terms of this is the unspoken Underlying truths almost, you know that you just have to His it's not complicated either. It really isn't complicated. You just have to Think about it think about it, which you normally don't have to ever do You never have to think about it because generally for most people stories are just presented to them and they're full packaging And so you don't have to look at the ingredients label But it helps to yeah The mistake he's made as well, right? So he's like when we don't feel the intended feeling we too often consider it bad I think this is even almost an echo of the Wonder Woman 84 stuff So the the artist intended for it to be cute that they slept together as a thing They were managed to come back and that's going to inform how sad it is that they have to You know split apart The director incompetently forgot that that was not the his body that he was inhabiting So if you can understand that then understand that the feeling you should be having is like a one of you know Kind of like yay sort of joy You shouldn't be having horror And so just because you felt horror does not then make it bad And I'd just be fascinated. I just feel like high top. How far can we push this before even you would crack? Like how much what can I do in a film while claiming that I want This all relies on fucking third party testimony in terms of what the story is by the way, which is all That's how we I mean that's I mean we don't have access to absolute truth capital t But you know justified true belief is a thing that we could Hopefully agree upon is interlocutors in this conversation For the other and if you can't do that with someone then just don't even fucking have a conversation with them They just don't don't waste your time. You ain't getting anywhere But like first of all obviously death of the author, which he would absolutely subscribe to there's no fucking Like I I can't believe we met yeah twin perfect. I stand by what I said twin when he first said I was like You don't believe that nobody does. I'm sorry. You don't nobody would just why he refused to go down any of those pathways Yeah, he knew he was he was just smart enough to know that We cannot can't go there because I know where this might lead The other way he's kind of fucked this up is the he thinks that I'm like, oh man falcon with a soldier I don't know one woman 84. I don't like this because I didn't get the intended feeling And I'm like, oh, I wasn't even talking about my feelings. I was just talking about how incongruent it is with itself. That's it Like that's my intention. I try obviously I involve my personal feelings here and there like I do consider it morally reprehensible to rape somebody I'm a bit weird like that. I know that a lot of people don't share that sentiment, but that's fine You know, everyone's different. I just think that when focusing on inconsistencies a delivery that would be like Yep, this story is just Failing to do the one fucking thing a story is supposed to do and he's like, well, that's just how you feel they're like we'll know Like how it makes me feel emotionally. I don't even told you about that yet. I might very much enjoy it We bring this back up all the fucking time, but like there's so many movies that are just nonsense that I love Yeah, that's yeah, that's one of those. That's why like one of the the most core foundational aspects of efap is Your subjective enjoyment of something Pretty much come from anywhere regardless of whether it's good or not As it applies to you know, an objective standard And you might think a hard bullet to bite on this one would be um, well then of course smaller ranks ringy You would advocate You should be a gunning for cause and effect then so we'll never have movies like a batman or robin or Maybe more combat or godzilla vs kong with a really just nonsense stupid crazy things can happen And I would just be like well, no, it's more so you can tell with each project you're making right like um If you're making a falcon the winter soldier type And you and you're not gunning for like absolute You're trying to make a coherent a to b story If you're trying to make us laugh through the lack of a to b coherent storytelling We'll probably be able to detect that from the movie. We're gonna be pretty fucking obvious because it's gonna be like a More than likely a comedy Also, this assumes we're gonna get to a Perfect world Yeah, uh Well, the interesting thing is if I was on set for for like a comedy that was absurdist and they were like right We can have it so that You know, he he packed his uh, his hairdryer instead of his gun because he's an incompetent detective And then we're gonna have it so that he fires it and a bullet actually comes out and kills somebody Uh, does that make sense? And I feel like well, no, but that sounds kind of funny Like so, I don't know. I wouldn't be a games putting it. I don't have to see how it looks I guess there's always like wow that betrays all the thing about storytelling, right? It's like well, it's trying to commit humor So if we're talking about something as serious, it's like race issues like political Will geopolitical upheaval and um Like moral advice and stuff. It's like, yes, you better be getting pretty fucking close to cause an effect at this point Otherwise, yeah, this is all just gonna fall apart. There's no there's nothing it rests on Um, but everyone's emotional reactions are gonna be different even with the We've talked about like the perfectly coherent film and the entirely incoherent film It doesn't mean everyone's gonna react to both of those according to that Just we're talking the same person Can have contradictory viewpoints over time like they like you can forget like what happened This would be useful for death of the author stuff what if someone makes something And they tell you what it's made of or what it's about A bunch of time goes by they forget What they meant by it and so they make another claim about what it's about and it's different this time It's not they weren't lying. They just forgot And they're in they are now in like they've become They have Maybe this is in an odd way sort of quasi blessing But they have become legitimately the audience and they have forgotten what they you know sort of did I mean what then? I mean what which of their feelings was you know, are they both true even though they can't coexist or What how to how does that get resolved? How to how does a what about a hallucination? How when someone feels something about a thing, but they hallucinated a scene from the film or they Misremember it just unreliable memory. I just disagree with you yourself. You're like, ah, you know I was wrong in the past. This is what I actually think now Well, that's always the funny one because it'll make like a huge emotional video and then a year later They're like actually it doesn't really work for me anymore. I'm just like but so wait So which take is the take they're like they're both correct. It's like but they use different reasoning It's like the contradictive reasoning. They're like, yeah, well deal with it motherfucker Okay, well as we're about to see and sense its number Oh, well one more thing I want to say was somebody said like you still wouldn't want to discount the emotional aspect as in like We've been over this before but you know the chair in the room story If anybody made it and said hey you three, can you judge the like cause and effect of it? And if we concluded it was absolutely sound I would then be like you do get no one's gonna like this, right? It was gonna give a shit as a chair in a room There might be one guy who writes a review about how it means like all these different things But like you might want to have characters. You might want to have things happen And someone said wait, wait, wait, so you're saying I have to have things happen to have my story It's like no, uh, but I mean well actually I'm not even sure It would we would have stuck it into the weeds of exactly what it means to be a story But you probably get what I mean something very quick and mundane Um, we wouldn't recommend it even though it would be sound because that's not like the only component of trying to appeal to Someone's emotions because that's a completely different fucking topic The classics of have a dog and then have it die or have a You know like a family member perish in some horrible accident when they were younger You know just all the standard ways we all we all are very aware of how to manipulate audiences or If you properly justify it with writing it wouldn't mean I wouldn't call it manipulative um I guess that's where like the hero's journey and stuff like that comes into it loads of writing advice for standard sort of story structures Which is also important If you want to make people like your story instead of just telling whatever you wanted to tell But my god you need it to fucking make sense And I think what we see a lot of the times in We see a lot of times with everything basically with the videos we cover on eFab For people people constantly go into you're looking to even to the plot you're looking to even to the story Don't think about it. Not everything has to make sense. Not everything has to be that's that's the plot plot plot but constantly on our eFab videos that we watch and respond to People are that tlj is a perfect example tlj is a fucking apex example Uh, whether it's the luke Ark whether it's the space chase whether it's Any any element of the plot that doesn't make any sense Defenders of that film would try and make sense of it. They would try and make it work They would cut even if it required them because this happens all the time They invent scenes that don't happen Or they uh try and just create details that aren't there um They will try and Make sense out of things because deep down They want things to make sense Yeah Even if it's wrong even if they have to make stuff up it needs to make sense They even believe deep down that if it doesn't make sense, that's not good Quick example would be uh, he loves that falcon had money troubles if we had him here I'd be like, what do you mean by that? Well that that he couldn't afford certain things and it was giving him trouble based on having a lack of money And then we could just keep poking until we find out the mechanics and then the mechanics won't be lining up With how it works in the world and then he'll have to admit yet. Okay It doesn't make a lot of sense But I like that he has money troubles and then we've exposed how shallow it is. It's literally just that there's money problems Yes, it's just just a poor. So it just him being poor Yeah, you'd be poor Which to be honest any of you out there that loved his takes on spider bad Because spider bad needs to be poor There's one you to realize that's how shallow it is like it has nothing to do with stories that he just needs to be Yeah, y'all need to get a grip man. Give it up Yeah, I'd have been better The the next sentences I used to I used to use bad a lot and I'm totally guilty of still using it too much But when it comes to art someone's form of expression a wonderful Collaboration of people who put their souls into their work Can we stop acting like it's a place? On keys a piece of meat to be judged. Well, I mean you are going to judge it on some level whether or not you think you are I have a feeling even with that being said you're probably gonna say that the holocaust wasn't that great Oh, well, I again They're gonna be when you watch the trailer when you watch the trailer, okay You're judging it My congratulations. Well, you watch this video. It's a literal video. This is frob. He's judging it Yeah, you're judging it just favorably But you don't understand that judge is a neutral word judgment is neutral. It is not positive or negative Nor is criticism I suppose it's interesting to think about like To be judged like a piece of meat. There's a bit of connotation there like it's um You're reducing it down from what it may have been I should be like Is that only when we criticize it? Is that kind of what he's getting at there? Not the one we praise it because when you praise it, it's no longer a piece of meat It's like a it's it's a wonderful sculpted piece of meat on a pedestal. Yeah Um very odd commentary from him because uh inherent in any praise is going to be an assumption of what would have been critical An example, I guess so this would be life drawing, right? If someone drew an incredible looking eye and nose and then their mouth was just a squiggly line And uh, the teacher was like, okay So the eye is incredible because not only does it match like the proportions and the shading But like I can barely tell that it's not actually real in front of me. They go, what about the mouth and you go Could use some work Yeah, well, no in his world. You don't want to judge it like a piece of meat for he's just go I got nothing to say on it And then you go wait But you said that the eye was good because of how well it like Reflects real life. So would that work for the mouth and you're like, I I wouldn't know I wouldn't want to say Dude, he's that guy that rick uh that morty had to listen to his screen to play and you know, he's like Do you have any thoughts anything? It's like, no, it was good. That's my note. All right, please write more Like that's what you want. You just want and then as soon as he says like seems a little insincere And he's like, uh, you know what that three weeks ahead tease the thing. We probably don't need it It's like I look I opened up and you took a giant shit on it. You're taking it out of me. You're a baby person You're insecure You're a son is a shitty person leave now And so all of these things when he says something like It's really good that they made them more real by giving them more like real life person sort of Problems to deal with I would then be like, oh, it would be bad if they had like Fake problems to deal with is that what you're suggesting? You know, he he wouldn't be able to answer any of these questions. He doesn't want to go into the realm of bad He's just like no, no, no, no. I just no they're real. They're real Shut up. I don't have to deal with talking about why things are bad Even though he will totally make a video about how spider-man 3 is terrible because peter's not poor Yeah, because you know, it's it's a product even though john watson all of his team put their heart into it and works really hard Well, yeah, we we worked really hard. We just had the example of him shitting on Uh, uh, yes, he was shitting on endgame Yeah a bit and that was like a lot of and shitting on hulk in uh several movies That's many many many thousands of people's work. Well imagine all the work that went into animating him and yeah, just yeah Wow, you know careful concept artist the animators the texture people all those people are rendering People I talk this is that up all the time, you know And you know the people who talk this kind of game. They will drop that shit like a sack of I try to I I needed a maliform like a sack of potatoes. You know, you can They they will they will abandon that idea once you start bringing up politics Oh, yeah, well, I was going to say, um, they'll abandon it with adaptation, but they don't abandon it with Specific continuity, which is funny because adaptation is more bullshit. Exactly. It's further further away They they feel like it's more relevant compared to the actual like, you know Man walks then he just falls into a pile of sludge that he's walking again You're like, well, that seems inconsistent. It's like he was a pile of sludge in the comics and he's a mad at the adaptation That's worse. You're like that's worse like what? Yeah, like worse. What are you talking about worse? It's a hard will to keep track of this shit The next sentence is I read too many comments I see too many other artists on this platform That ridicule and mock those artists. Does he always call them artists? Why are we mocking those who share what they are their love? Well, we're sharing our love We're passionately. Yeah He specifically said he called other artists on this platform So talk about a such an efficient way to undermine like your entire bitch fest you're doing right here We're artists Thanks for really doing mocking us. You can't touch us bitch Well, you can't you actually can't this is the great part is because like this is It artists such a it's it's not like it's not the words kind of being tainted But like anything that is creative expression is art. So e-fap is Absolutely, it is it is art it is because it's a craft Criticism is a craft in and of itself. Well, yeah, we're entertainers. We're analysts all right yours What do you mean criticism? Did someone say that in chat? Did someone oh, I was just saying that criticism. Oh, okay, because I was about to say I would have been very disappointed No, I'm saying yeah criticism is absolutely absolutely it is Presenting speaking Figuring out what you think and explaining it in a way that people understand and enjoy being funny being humorous trying to be expedient all of this is like So it's an e-fap donation. It has a flag. He's like, yeah, we have a flag now or something. We do indeed Um, yeah, I mean we regularly oh, I hate that it's true But we regularly put more thought into the script and the writing than the writers of the thing did It's just yeah, there is there is effort There is a lot of effort that goes into and so he's not allowed Well, you know, maybe that he's being consistent. He didn't name us. So he's not necessarily going after us. All right We're protected Yeah, well, he wouldn't there if if you you asked him about it, he would never say that another youtuber isn't an artist He would never say that because now he can't get away with it. No yeah, he he he's he's in a he is in a a Situation where it either ways bad if he says that they are artists then We're untouchable now If he says we're not artists He is declaring that thing a thing cannot be art and it is not which he would never do that Yes, he would never do either. So he's fucked Oh, yeah, uh, not to mention um the the sentiment in isolation. Just think about this Why are we mocking those who share their love? Um, feel like you don't believe that Yeah Once again Um, what well, I guess an easy one again, we go to extremes to prove these points quickly What if someone loves cuties? Are we not going to mock them for that? like So, uh, maybe mock isn't even the right word just being incredibly critical and probably involving some harsh, uh language Maybe they're here in there now Like I said, once politics comes out, they will abandon this point in a heartbeat I like trump. I like this political party. I like this policy. I like this amendment. I like this or the other thing I like this. That's that's duh They're not gonna have this. Oh, everything's great and everything's fine attitude with that shit They would argue though that to have those positions. Well, hightop literally tweeted out if you're a trump supporter You're racist, right or did brown table or both of them? I can't remember. Oh, they're they're fucking dumb. It could have been either Yeah, that could have been the fucking both of them Um, so I mean, but hey, that's a form of expression That is Absolutely is yeah Well, it's almost nothing It's all one nothing. Yeah, we're kind of addressing how these things fundamentally are just not things he believes But again, I almost give him some Breathy roots. I'm like, I don't know that he's learned this yet Like these are things that he thinks and feels but he's no pressure to learn any of it Well, he's never gone to axioms. He's never thought about how these things spread into other subjects and topics like how could this Fucking bite me in the ass when applied to other things instead, you'll The most generic one is I think good should be legal and I think bad should be illegal That's my position and then everyone collapse and you're like, man, that is just flawless. You are incredible Yeah, it's it's do better. It's the do better speech hence why he thinks it's so profound Does that not line up completely I think if you watch that speech and think it's profound like that's that's You are a simpleton You are absolute fucking simpleton telling me how little you understand about the way that the world works Like that is very helpful for me but it's just like It's important guys like in general to really interrogate the reason why you believe the things that you do like on everything Figure it out whittle it down to its base and of course when it comes to like movie analysis It's it's one thing but like I would say in general you should just do this with any position that you have You need to be able to like interrogate it from every perspective to figure out where your principles bend Where there are holes that you need to fill or whether or not you even need to change your perspective fundamentally And reconcile why you feel the way that you feel and whether or not that's even like valid because the reality is that like sticking to your principle sometimes means Denying the emotional feeling that you have in favor of something that you know is better reasoned So next up Yeah, next next line is there is nothing that comes from spewing hate, which you don't you definitely don't believe that Which I yeah, I yeah, I don't know and would you not agree is what we've entered into when you use the word spewing It feels like when a narrator is very objective and suddenly says these people are evil you're like wait a minute Literally all Trump supporters are racist Oh, well, that's not helpful. This came across more fundamental and now he's like spewing hate and you're like wait a minute Like uh, yeah, you're describing it as hate too. Like I just oh this suddenly got very uh, that's uh That's my form of expression you're talking about there As he says There is nothing that comes from spewing hate and then hiding that hate behind quote unquote critique I'm still learning this lesson. It's fun being a dick and roasting something Uh, but there is always people behind the writing you read the videos you watch you consume Yes, that's true. That's true about it. Hi top think about it Think about it. There are always people behind the delivery of artistic works Yes, there are always people behind the people who are spewing hate and hiding it behind criticism because it's not spewed by like the air It's not spewed by a tree Think about it. Hi top It's it's just worth and no it's and and no artist and no It's so small that I can't even tell I don't know artist has ever Set out to make something that gets called bad by idiots like myself on youtube now I like that because it feels like he's trying to cloak the insult director that other people might be saying No, it's like me. I'm so It's not about other people. Oh, no, dude. It's um, I don't know if there's a word for it, but it's it's cloaking a um A compliment to yourself in a criticism. So an example would be bringing operates in a particular way every single day of his life I meet him and go I also have made that mistake. I don't anymore, but I used to Yeah Yeah, it's like a it's like a backhanded compliment in a way. Um Well, uh, I think just right said to a mean wolf that um, he used to look at art the way we do when he was younger It's like Oh, thanks buddy fucking degraded into The thing that amuses me about it isn't like oh that was just a bare face. It's like Do you not even register that that was an insult? Are you that stupid? Like you just said something incredibly condescending. Or do you think you got away with it past insult? I think he thinks he got away with it that we didn't even notice It's like, uh, I was quite witty of me if I say so myself What is the final sentence here if you somehow read all this? Thank you. Thank you for watching smiley face Oh, yeah, if you somehow read this it's like, but Why did you can clearly read it? It's just the effort of just zooming in Well, I I don't I find it more frustrating than that because like this was You know, look at it. It's all flimpy. It's like why the hell did you make it so hard to read for like the average person? Like if you just look at the yeah, it's like not everybody's gonna even want to do it. You know what? Honestly, that's a little ableist to make it so small that nobody can read that and I'm I'm kind of not even bullshitting Like it's a little bit fucked to make it so small. Yeah, do your people can't read it Yeah, do they not deserve to hear this and if you believe it, why would you make it so difficult to read? Why why would you say if you actually managed to you know What why who's what if I couldn't actually manage to read it? Do you not thank me if I was if I was literally incapable of radio because it was so small that's the meme for this Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's the meme good old community Oh god, we are not going to get all four of these Hey, well, you know what that was like a detour Back to high tops video because I saw someone say there's no need to read this because he basically just reads it out Going forward. So if he does we'll be able to mostly skip over this Oh boy, let's have a look Dude screaming about how bad this oh, you know what I actually want to rewind that a bit as well the bit before I don't think we got to address this We'll never Better black man not bad captain America Yeah, and you're gonna have a bunch of middle-aged dudes screaming about how bad this kind of writing is So what's wrong with middle-aged dudes? This is another thing they middle-aged You know like growing up all the time. It's not a choice. Oh, I guess you could kill yourself when you I love the idea that if you get old, you're not allowed to like star wars or something anymore Well, so this is something that if you were born white male. Oh, Jesus Christ We had that when we showed the tweets there was uh, it said something like uh, they were like a bunch of straight white boys. It's like oof So what you just did was racist and sexist and sexist and Pretty bigoted. Yeah Straight as a fadardo as well What is what is the idea here like off your middle-aged? You're not allowed to talk about art when you're middle it like what the fuck is wrong with you You should be building a table like Gavin because God is so annoying to listen to it's like you don't understand you're committed to the same bigotry That you're supposed to be against you moron Yeah, it's okay when we do it There are acceptable targets That man ain't about that ain't about their opinions or mine. What the fuck do we matter? It's about this Then why are you making this video? I think I matter Yeah, fuck you why you don't even know why you matter How how else do you respond to it was like speak for yourself pal? Yeah, man. Yeah I think i'm all right. I think i'm all right as well. I feel like i'm sorry if I think I have some worth Um, so yeah having having a youth inspired by the shield This is one of them things that I honestly think will be in a check box To be like in your show make sure you have a moment where like a child preferably black considering the subject matter Puts his hand like on the shield in some way and feels like inspired make sure you have that because then It wasn't a little girl considering marvel Did they do the they didn't do this in wander vision did they there was no real opportunity to have like uh You're inspired by wanted because she's a psychopath throughout Yeah, but remember we we might have that in like hawk eye or or miss marvel in fact almost certainly in that show To me, I would just be like uh, he's like, oh see this is about this and like This is a very standard sort of thing to have in I I already think about like Iron man two you have the uh, the kid looking at iron man with an iron man mask on He's like you could argue that's totally inspirational sort of thing Um caps movies are filled with him. He's literally used as propaganda for uh inspiration for men to go to war and be encouraged and stuff I just I guess he would probably want to get out. It's like, well, no Uh, remember when black panthe came out they're like, oh black people finally have a hero. It was like, what the fuck? Yeah, which is so fucking bizarre like I can't relate to this. I just can't I was never looking at batman like oh, well, he's white. He ain't like me. I can't be batman Like that was uh, and I mean you even see it with spider-man, right? Is it like one of the main appeals of spider-man is that anybody could be spider-man? Yep Yeah, and also like Martin Luther King Rosa Parks There's so many And they're like we tried I've said before like let's say it again like I've grown up with uh Buffy Ripley and Sarah Cotter being some of my like all-time favorite heroes like but they're women though Well, like oh no me I I'd go even further Like some of my favorite characters when I was a kid was like ratchet and clank a fucking space cat and a robot It doesn't matter because they're characters Crash bandicoot. Well, he's barely a character, but you know, he's going on Mario yoshi yoshi is like a fake weird dinosaur thing But like yoshi hit his adventures hit me in the fields more than falcon of woods a soldier Fuck Is like I don't care if the yellow ranger and the pink ranger or girls are kicking butt Well, yeah, that's right like power rangers was super diverse always I I just I as a kid I just never Thought to even think about this sort of thing, you know It's I I pine for those more innocent times before these fucking people tainted everything And also it's so weird because hold on I need to I need to figure that Like sam was captain america for a while. Wasn't he like in the comics? It wasn't even a recent thing Uh as captain america 2014. All right, so it was super recent. All right Yeah But I mean Falcons been around since 1969 Luke cage was made in like the 70s black panther. I'm pretty sure was made around the same time as spider man Like these characters have always existed just because you didn't know who they were Doesn't mean that they didn't exist. It's crazy because blade is kind of like the one that really helped push superhero movies forward Like it directly leads to x-men that directly leads to the ramy spider man And it's just funny because it's like the first one the very foundational one is black superhero And then you fast forward 30 years. They're like finally a black superhero Superheroes can be black and we're like Yes That was not a shock, but all right And also a spawn came out in 1997 What the ah, yeah, all right, whatever Blade got marvel out of debt Apparently, I don't know if that's true, but yeah, I didn't know that super big debt in the late nineties. Um Yeah, that was the reason why they licensed so much of their stuff out to different Like it's a fox and sony another collecting them back because they finally yeah Whereas I don't want to always be part of like warner brothers for a long time Which makes it all the more baffling that it was marvel with half of their biggest characters like not under their control built this universe A lot of people are just I mean spider man's existence and like Where who owns spider man at this point is kind of spider man is like marvel owns spider man But sony owns the rights to the spider man films Um, that's what they own they own the right to spider man films and like any associated characters So venom spider go like the most important element of spider man right now is his ability to be in films It's like god damn it. Yeah, basically. Well, that's the big thing is like money making. I mean money making but spider man That's it, but sony ain't letting him go. No, they are gonna they're keeping spider man They need they need spider man. They kind of do for their big budget, dude I have to imagine that he's making them shit tons and they don't it's it's the mcu that's making them the buddy It's so near a good position right out of argan I bet a lot of people watched venom and assumed it was part of the mcu And like they don't even know that it's kind of not not an unreasonable assumption No, especially nowadays Like I hear and honestly I think part of the reason why aquaman made so much money is because people like Unironically thought it was a marvel movie. Like I'm kind of not I Legitimately wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people watched it like oh, it's marvel, right? Like comics superheroes, you know, by the way, um this image I feel like this is how far it goes with high top If I just had a story that was nonsense sounds and chairs and explosions blah blah blah Then it cuts to this And then it cuts back to explosion on so people run around like teleporters that I should be like Is that meaningful? He'd probably be like, hmm. Yeah kind of maybe. Hmm. I don't know. Whatever Whatever point he wants to make here Still stands if the content was also good Like the idea of being inspired by it if it was also good, you don't lose that So yeah, it's like moot. It's not even relevant. Um, yeah, because it's not just inspiration in and of itself But I mean of course hitler youth because we can always go back to the room and hitler It's like so it's it's not just kids being inspired that you know that that's the that's the thing here We're gunning for it's what they're inspired by and to take it to real life Uh, if a kid was really inspired by blade and I say kid on a 13 year old I want to make it a little bit more like it's all right So if a kid was inspired by it and then we watch it and we're like, oh, wow This is really bad, which it might be by the way. I haven't seen blade in ages But I already know I'm going to enjoy very specific parts of it being his like catchphrases the uh the style Old black and uh using all of the the weapons in such harsh ways Destroying vampires like yeah, I'm gonna have fun with that weather or not It's bad and if someone said I was inspired by it, but I realize it's bad I'd be like you can still be inspired like Yeah, of course It wouldn't take away from it at all You could be inspired by something really horrible to do something really good this comes in with like, um A kid who is abused by their parents might be an abusive parent Or might be so far away from an abusive parent because of the experience that they're like, you know Not at all and they they work really hard to be a golden sort of parent You could translate that to Is a movie that's really horrible for its values and you watch it and you're like, wow This is so fucking horrible that I'm I'm gonna do the opposite of these things I was inspired by this horrible movie. You know, it could happen. It's yeah shits all over the place Blade trinity efet movies gonna be legendary. We'll we'll get there at some point. I'm sure of it Let's press on it's about a young kid seeing this It's about a young kid seeing himself as someone who could be captain america and it's about earning that So when I was a kid, oh, sorry, I didn't play as well when I was a kid I uh, I kind of related to like any sort of person who I liked Regardless of what they looked like regardless of even if they were even a human being like Well, I mean finding me was about fish and like there's reliability in that and fucking monster's ink You do wonder how far this should be pushed It's like so we're saying now that the skin color is very important to being able to like be inspired and stuff It's like so what about like facial hair or what about my color? Yeah, what about what about hair? What about height? You know like v from v for vendetta if you'll find him like thoroughly inspiring He's like you know what he looks like or at least you don't Most of the time that you just see him burnt at one point, but Yeah, it's just really interesting to be this like, uh Thank god. They finally have a someone to look to for this. I was like, what are you talking about? And then he says they earn it. It's like they don't earn this They don't earn this at all Falcon's a horrible person throughout this season Like there's only a few instances of him doing things that I would like celebrate a lot of it is very just frustrating to watch Be captain america and it's about earning that it's not as simple and it shouldn't be as simple as being handed a shield It should yes, it should it. No, it should in an ideal world. It should that's the point. Oh You're making me. I agree. He's done it backwards by the way So it was like you in the shield being provided to you is like the superfluous sort of Surface level event the important thing is you've earned The the role your character like that's the important bit and you know falcon at this point I was more than happy to say that. Yeah. Yeah. He's a really good person and that he could fulfill the role of captain america Sure, I wanted to be bucky. I thought it was a way more interesting story there It's like you can't make it work with falcon Um being like passing the shield is this huge deal. It should be treated It's like well hang the fuck on like what are you implying? The point was that he's worthy to hold that shield as far as everyone's concerned because of his character. That's the important bit Yeah, the idea is that What steve did was like the ideal way that it should be it's like you're a good man sam. Here you go You you've earned this by virtue of who you are Not what you are or more so that What you are shouldn't even be like it's not it's not it's not it's not an important aspect of you The way that you look Like that's not oh, I know right it should be ideally it shouldn't be that's I thought that was the whole point I thought that's um It's like we go backwards It feels like we go backwards And out discovering what it means to be captain america every character you just fucking invent what it means to be captain america It means that you're the representative of a racist country sort of things That feels that feels weird symbolic of what it means to be america. It's like whoa when What are you talking about captain america? Like on the surface was a role provided by the government that gives you the rank I think of captain. I wasn't actually sure I'd have to rewatch the first movie But it's like a propaganda role. He's this he's like, oh there he is captain america much like uncle sam The guy he's this these characters this pro war and tries to encourage the troops and stuff It evolves into matching basically the values of steve rogers Who is one of the most quintessential good people ever if you ignore the fuck ups we have in the latest content? um And so anybody taking that role would probably have to emulate at least close to His values and his like operation if you will and I've always was like, yeah, there's a lot of people who could earn that um Tying it to all this weird shit in this show that was never a part of its storyline in the mcu is the power okay, because He believes it to be true because he was told it What if I just tell a story where I'm just like no the shield has nothing to do with america It's in exclusively to do with like honesty protection and freedom and doing the right thing. That's it. That's all it's about And I have like I have falcon say in my story that he regrets Tying it to like a race thing and as isaio was entirely wrong and that he's really glad that he's learned that You know when he was younger. He used to think it was all about race. I have that story You imagine what everyone would say about it. We're like, what the fuck and you wouldn't have high top just agree with it Because that's what it said It's just so inconsistent yeah Director in the falcon the winter soldier is compared to the idea of captain america to steve rogers John and lamara with the government once captain america to be they have oh good What a good person That's good. Yeah, great idea. You got that government The with the program attitude and the physical aptitude to be a great Symbol of change and a symbol of america By the way, when he had great Getting attacked by falcon and would please remember the context of that scene Yeah, he said hey guys get attention. We need that shield back Oh, this is what that's about, huh? And then of course the fact that bucky was talking about earlier Let's take it from him. You just want to take it. You don't want to do this. Yeah, we do It's like that. You should not want to do this. That's really bad This is what I mean. It's so incompetent. You had falcon say maybe he should have destroyed the shield And you have bucky saying we need to steal it from him and then you show the scene where they try and take it from him After his best friend has been killed and he tried he saved their lives Like who is the bad guy? Yeah, pretty clear if you look at the references Isiah bradley is the sickening and terrifying truth of what the usa Soon as the serum worked on steve rogers It's taking someone those in power view as disposable and experimenting on them with hopes that they will Be america's next super soldier steve never appears physically But I would say america's desperate attempt to recreate him to live up to the legend is the true villain of the story and our um The the true villain of the story is the terror That's who I think that's the real villain of the story Um, I'm so lost. He's like the true villain is wanting someone who lives up to steve rogers to take over the role of Captain bears like well, no, that's a good thing. That's just a straight up good thing I guess his logic is that it's an impossibility Like that's what his claim is it's impossible because that's not what america is I think is what he's trying to say But it's that's just not true. There's so many people that can't part of the show I would also say the fucking the show would combat that idea too Yeah, the falcon takes over and he's earned it or whatever. Yeah falcon becomes captain america anyway True villain my ass carly Our heroes have to fight america's captain america. They have to know they have to attack and steal from him Yeah, they chose to they stole his shield. He doesn't watch it. He's just told what's happened. That's it This this lines up perfectly with one woman 84. He was told what happened. He didn't watch it Yeah He believes they had to to attack walker. They had to There is no argument here by the way if someone was like, well, you gotta take the shield off him He's dangerous with it. It's like he has a fucking gun Like what why do you think the shield is the thing that makes him dangerous? You have wings and he felt it was dangerous So he took them off Yeah Oh, it's so funny It's like I wish to take your shield from you because I believe you to be dangerous I will kill you to take it. You're like, wow, that sounds pretty dangerous I think I might have to deal with you God damn Fight what wants them to be in order to become what they need to be bucky has fought That's like one of those cliche things you can say in a video essay. Yeah It's not about what they want. It's about what they need. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah It's like the fundamental storytelling. Yeah, I see you read a book on writing. I'm very proud of you Excellent job For everyone else his entire life, he has been the world's killing machine that metal arm is more than a Killing machine Yeah, why would he even say that? Well, it's a physical representation of the violence and brutality that is to find the bulk of his life And it's only after he beats America's soldier that he can let go of the winter soldier Bullshit The hymn beating him up has like nothing to do with anything. He just wants the shield that he drops it It wants the shield because he hates this guy. He even like it has to He's so wrong. You're just inventing his logic is that I I feel like oh, I feel like he's working really hard to justify his personal political perspective Yeah, like that's what he's doing. He's finding ways to twist everything to be interpreted as a statement on uh Unlike the dark side of America as a country He just pulled that out of his fucking ass to remind everybody of the narrative Bucky beats the shit out of him with falcon. He picks up the shield that drops it and seems to abandon falcon But then he's in the next room falcon goes and talks to him or wherever they are And then he's like you're gonna go get zemo and he's like, yeah That he goes and gets zemo because that's just something that he could do on call I guess and then that scene happens and then he comes back and he's like, you know what? I'm sorry. I didn't realize what it meant to give you the shield It's like there is nothing to do with like a defeating america's soldier. What are you talking about? That's not something everybody even considers I don't even know how much walker even factors into winter soldiers arc The only thing that he says is uh, it's not your fault. What happened to walker when it is like 100 percent, but you know Like they'll soon he lied they throw it like you've invented and I like Someone in chat just said yet. They still say captain america and the winter soldier. It's like, yeah They didn't trust you guys are smart enough to understand if they should have said the white wolf It should have we've talked about that right like they were gone. Who but they decided not to because people wouldn't understand it That is the most definitive information of how smart they think you are. Okay Like they think they can fucking play with you like you're so stupid. You can't even remember the He literally explicitly says white wolf and it's like, oh well, you can't have him put that on the screen That'd be too confusing these poor five-year-olds can't even tell which colors are which the amount of wick high tom and other people do to Improve the writing when it's just not even there Hey rags, did you know that it's only after bucky defeats america's soldier That he comes to terms with his relationship to the winter soldier What does that sound like something that happens in the show because I fucking don't recognize it at all Wait in this show? Yes when bucky defeats captain america He he learns about his relationship Well, you know what I need to go pee. So I'm gonna roll it back so you can watch bits of what you missed there And then uh, you guys can you guys can talk about it until I'm back. I won't be locked. Okay Let me uh, I'll I'll hit play higher life. He is in the world's killing machine that metal arm is more than a tool It's a physical representation of the violence and brutality that is defined the bulk of his life And it's only after he beats america's soldier that he can let go of the winter soldier So we already have a lot of things One of the first things was he's the world's killing machine. He's not he was hydra's killing machine specifically Not the world. He's known all over the world Or at least he should be Yeah Well, he doesn't advance the interests of other people in the world It's hydra's hydra's interest and hydra wants to take over the world And then you know talk about he has to beat america's soldiers have become to not be the winter soldier anymore It's like you invented that That you met that's your that's your yeah, you just wrong Well, do you think that was part of it? Like do you think that in that scene what was happening was that? Uh, that by beating winter soldier by beating Uh Captain america he was like shedding his winter soldier identity No Not at all, right Like what how would that even? Like make sense thematically or metaphorically I don't even know how that was. Yeah, um I got no clue Yeah, well, I I have a theory that he just invented it because this is the point he wanted to make Like this was his point. He wants to make this point and it's clearly being warped by his political perspective uh, yeah, I I got nothing I have no I like even if I was Trying to be him I don't know I don't know what he's trying to say if I was in his perspective even out just giving it a moment to think I just Like it's really struggling like over over This is such this is really quick High-top is like fascinating honestly Every time you just something new a new way to argue a really dumb point Hello Hi, how'd you do with it? All right, let's press on Oh, wait a sec. I was wondering what did I miss? I didn't like it wasn't oh We were just covering the same the same thing. Oh, yeah, I was just like you okay, right? Did you survive it? Are you all right? I made it. I I feel like I'm just desensitized at this point Well, what I was gonna say is um And this is kind of just indicative of the problem with high-top if I watched the show and went oh man I love your interpretation of the whole like he defeated America's soldier And that's what helps him separate from the winter soldier. I'd be like well what I thought happened to see was that The winter soldier's more of like a spectre and it haunts him and that's why he like You know sees and visions and stuff Well, and he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, I go, you know, like a literal a ghost He sees you watch some of the scenes some of the looks he makes I think he sees like the winter soldier like a spooky ghost so He decided that the winter soldier should possess Um, like what happens is that winter soldier ghost he can't possess bucky anymore That's what it was happening when you do those words. It's like a possession thing he possesses um Walker Right, and then that's what happens in that scene. Walker goes nuts. He's insane He just attacks them for no reason at all. And so he defeats him and kills the winter soldier spectre spirit By defeating walkers like when you break an arm I think It's in some kind of like ancient prophecy or book or religion or whatever where um If you break the arm of the person that's possessed it kind of kills the ghost like the spectre And so you kind of killed the winter soldier when he broke his arm You know, do you know what I mean? I think height will be like, okay Okay, I can kind of yeah, I can kind of see where you're coming from and it's really cool that you got that from that And I would just be so they're like serious Making the shut up. What do you mean? The whole thing at winter soldier Being a winter soldier I And I just think that you can essentially just draw together bits and pieces of nonsense and he would probably be like Yeah, yeah, beautiful beautiful interpretation It doesn't actually have to match anything Why didn't you use the metal? Oh shit, hang on Go of the winter soldier. Why didn't you use the metal arm? Well? I don't always think of it immediately. I'm right handed He can use that arm to save people this opportunity, but all right even Just doesn't make sense anyway It doesn't even like mean anything like it's not it's is it supposed to be a joke I thought it was supposed to be a joke Hightop is like well, he put his arm on steve once his right hand like Okay, why would you? Well, he can take control he can choose to let that metal arm that has dragged him down Lift has never dragged him down It's never done like the opposite. Holy fuck man. Like that metal arm is insane. It's awesome. I would be thoroughly thankful Yeah, it's yeah, that sounds like quite the asset So I know you want to be like he's going to use it to build himself back up Or whatever the fuck you're about to say, but it never dragged him down. So this isn't going to work Those around him up Oh the pauses It dragged him down. He's using it to hold those around him up nicely done hightop except Doesn't apply. It's literally a tool It was never or something that brought him down or rose about in fact It would have been pretty cool If people spotted him as the disgusting and horrible assassin from hydra winter soldier by the arm But that never happens because people don't like recognize him at all for no reason And then you know, of course by the end of the show people start to recognize him. No, he's he's the white wolf He's a hero. He's a part of the avengers. He's not a soldier, but no, we didn't have time for bucky Just he would have wanted for his brother because that's the thing right steve abandoned him. Don't even go there. Yeah I'm I'm so cynical about this. This is like you're ignoring everything hightop You're ignoring everything to make a fucking flowery speech. It's annoying as hell America misses the point of captain america. They miss the point of steve roger. Sorry. Who's they if you were referring to america? Yeah, who is they? Include you Did you miss the point of captain america? No, well, he didn't miss the point. He understands it Oh, okay Steve's gift wasn't his physical strength. It wasn't anything that came from the serum It was not his ability to be a perfect soldier But was his ability to no matter what be a good man Yeah, like walker not like falcon though Just want to make sure we were clear on that. Yeah. Fuck that guy. Yeah Well, he's right I agree with hightop walker earned the mantle and falcon stole it from him And walker is such a good man that he allows that Like yeah, you you go you go play with the little captain america outfit. That's not what it means to be captain america though Genuinely, you can totally into i'd say that the tech supports the interpretation that the villain or one of the villainous characters Stole the outfit stole the look while the character that earned it is like allowing it to happen because that's not what it means to be captain america That's right That's like the one of the most honest interpretations of what fucking happens if you pay attention to what everyone does Be like walker No matter how many times I like that quite a bit in cap one Oh, yeah, I mean cap one is it's really sound. It's it's I I feel like that's a honestly I think having rewatched that's like probably a seven like a solid seven. It's just good movie Well, it's what the mcu used to do it used to have a moral fiber and it used to be very character focused That was its goal and yes, it sent it really far forward, but now we've forgotten what a moral fiber is We're getting real. Yeah, this is We're long gone from that Times he got knocked out no matter how many times he was told he was wrong by the government by his friends No matter how many times he lost someone he loved he always got back up Hang on this all day No, because he ran away. He abandoned spucky. He went home Hang out with peggy. I swear to god if he plays the clip where she says stay down and falcon says no Oh, please don't So we'll take you to say walker did all the things that he just said by the way Yeah, he got up when the government and the world was telling him that he was wrong This is what I mean Yeah, the right thing it is so wonderful because like they you can use all of their weapons as as a video As to prove the point they would never want you to prove they'd be like no Walker is not the good guy. How dare you? He always did what he believed was right He always remained a kind good-hearted and caring hero who always remained that good man and so Why is that not 11 happened? Don't show that clip Don't yeah Also, uh, hi top the music now is so much louder than you've ever had any of your tracks Like it's a bit distracting gonna say it Just just just chill out there. Okay, because I know you want it to come in This is like the I mean if you look at the timeline, this is probably as big crescendo for the emotional part of the video So that's why it's so loud. Yeah, I just it's just pulling me out Pulling me out of your video, buddy. I don't want that to happen. So invest It's pulling me out of the the video like when Falcon pulled that guy out threw him into the rock and didn't care That's how it's pulling me out of this video. I'll see as he said earlier It's about violence and we need to stop the violence. Okay, except there was the stuff by the good guy except for those guys They all deserve to die If I wasn't willing to stand up and keep fighting Sam Wilson has become the icon that steve created through his heroism and through his selfless He stole the icon. Yeah, that's longer. He stole the icon Just want to make sure we're using the right words here. Falcon stole it And sam has evolved that icon for a modern age while honoring It's the thing he said in the beginning of episode one. If you remember he said we need a new hero to suit the modern age or whatever Good. I mean that was obviously what the charity thought that point was good Can you imagine thinking like oh god with everything falcon does it's like that's what it means to be a modern hero Like fuck that i'm going back to the stone age to get as far away from this as possible It's original America was always supposed to be the hope the dream of what America can be and what a hero should be Someone who questions the system while trying to change it through compassion Someone who has empathy for those who are struggling those who have been wrong No, he's just empathy for those who are struggling and should cally. No No, she's a murderous evil terrorist. I just I want to replace skull was just struggling. All right I want to replace the visuals with he's walking into the room sees red skull with his little pistol Look red skulls struggling man. He just doesn't quite get it The music's in the background. Yeah, nobody else is red Nobody else understands what it's like being red and not having a nose We just need that scene where red skulls like look, I know what's best for the world I know what needs to happen to make the world the best way it could be okay My methods may be questionable. I might incinerate a few people. Sure, but Ultimately, I'm just struggling It's the same with rum. Lo he was struggling with the fact that his face got destroyed by cab He was having a hard time I wanted to highlight you guys really think walker was more deserving of the shield than sam y'all are in the wrong I have news for you my friend got some Falcon is a horrible fucking person fucking close. Yeah falcons not a good Unfortunately, he is no longer a good person This and that is this show's fault. Just pay attention to the show and you'll have all the answers you need It's so horrible And hey, I didn't write the show. I didn't fucking film it. Yeah It's not my fault. I'm just I'm just reporting on what the the event seemed to be I'm just uh, just the messenger letting you know what happened. Mm-hmm Captain America is doing the right thing. He's the idea of getting back up no matter how far you've fallen Shut all this already keep saying this like I know walker did that He's the idea that we can grow the only power I have Is that I believe we can do better. It's not a power I'm sorry It's so weak fucking I don't even is there anybody who believe like doesn't share the scent of it in the world It's like, oh, we could I doubt that there are many people like we should do worse We can do worse. We should do worse And then did we should yeah, I'm trying to think of some expectations Like what's a more generic fucking thing to have a superhero say in their final speech about what should happen next Like do better Jesus Christ It's such it's just They he was so proud when he wrote all that and I'm like, but it's just worthless And Sam in America The strength of falcon and winter soldier My favorite thing about falcon and winter soldier is how it took the falcon and the winter soldier Sam and bucky two characters that were defined by steve rogers and finally allowed them to define themselves Oh, that was your mistake. Yeah. Yeah, I'm defined by because I didn't define falcon by the fact that he was like Um, I'd I'd give I'd give room for falcon, but certainly not bucky Not winter soldier. No Bucky expresses so much like self-doubt and concern like he's such a he is such a character Is not dependent on steve steve is someone that changes him Or is influential on him which is normal like everyone's influential on each other Listen, I could and gladly would watch six hours of sam wilson trying to fix his family's boat And in a way I did that boat is in a way. I did No, you didn't Oh Family legacy sam needs to fix it sam needs to make sure it can sail again That shield is steve's legacy bucky needs to make sure it lives on Bucky needs to make sure it becomes the symbol of hope and perseverance again and in the end it was It was when walker dropped it so that well dropped his own one so that he could save that truck remember Sam couldn't have saved that truck if walker hadn't saved that truck. It would have fallen before he got there Yeah, I'm really noticing the lack of coverage on walker in this video. It's kind of strange Yeah, interesting and that is funny because the previous video was just shitting all over walker This is like oh boy. Yeah, I don't know if we'll get any fake coverage. It's just oh, it's just the both though And when all head and when all is done they both succeed in fixing repairing and maintaining And that's not were you proud of yourself for that? One of them wants to fix the boat and their legacy the other wants to fix the shield's legacy and in the end they fix They fix it all it's all fixed Uh fixing stuff. That's what this shows about it's dramatic beautiful You got to do better you got to fix stuff Not because of their their guns their wings or their shields, but because of their no literally all of those things allowed That's yeah, fucking shit to happen, dude. It's yeah, they needed that uh falcon if he didn't have that stuff Uh, uh, he'd be you shit out of luck man. Well, we already know he can do stuff Whether or not he should be able to so maybe that wouldn't matter. Oh, yeah, maybe it would just Power convenient editing and plot the sheer determination of plot. Yes. It just happens. It just occurs Fixing repairing and maintaining their legacies and that's not because of their strength or guns their wings or their shields But because of their will and their willingness to get back up and still montage here because strength of montage He doesn't have any um He doesn't have any visuals for the whole get back up thing because he's that's not really what they this shows about The whole like, you know, like the visual, you know, like captain marvel does that a lot. There's loads of visuals of her get Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, there's not really much in the text that supports it This is like the reverse. Well, actually, I don't really think the whole you got to get back up That's not really a part of this show. He's just sort of put it on here because that's something steve had in uh Well, his his storyline was always about you always got to get back up. It's like this isn't really in the show, dude This is why you have no visuals to show for it You just like no, it's them walking around because yeah, they don't really have any I'm trying to think of like hero shots where they do like a i'm down again There's like one with falcon and it's really awkwardly done because remember Uh, stay down. He goes no It's like oh man, it's so commanding, you know Is that they're dedication to steve and now to each other The falcon and the water allowed these two this odd couple of outsiders to redefine what captain america Here's to be what? Captain america has to be He has to be a terrorist sympathizer I'm very confused like what do you mean read if why do you redefine what captain captain america's like fucking Captain america was great how he was. Yeah, I don't mean it's a guy gotta Yeah, but the logic would be that it's out of touch. That's I think that's what he's going It's out of touch because he's white well This is a problem like his ideals of like doing the right thing standing up for the right thing Going against those who consider you wrong when you know, you're like principles of those things don't really change Well, I was just gonna say that those things don't really change over a couple of years Like oh, I don't really think we should stand up for what's right anymore guys. It's kind of outdated. It's like, yeah What we need to do better It's I uh high top everybody Wow, that was awful. It's the last minute. Oh Yeah, man. There you go. All right. Oh already. Is he talking about babble? Yeah I guess he's already done that part All right. We're done with that one. Yeah video two defeated Video two done and it only took us seven hours. We're doing great seven and a half hours. Yeah Alrighty Well, what's uh, what's next? I'll let you guys I would I want to leave it up to to to a vote. Who would you rather hear from rags and ringy? cosmonaut or brown table Brown table. Oh, yeah, brown table. I don't want to watch a cosmonaut Hey brown table if you ever see this take that as a compliment Yeah, I'd much rather watch your shitty video Shitty video. Yeah easy like that wasn't even that was like boom Definitely. Yeah, dude. All of chassis brown table too. All right, then Yeah, cosmonaut fucking sucks not cosmo We already got cosmonaut basically in the form of that other guy like I don't want that again All right, so this is called marvel studio's greatest work the falcon and the winter soldier A masterpiece complete comprehensive Well, here we go This video is sponsored by story blocks In 2020 I specifically remember thinking wow, I am kind of exhausted by the marvel cinematic universe Everything that isn't avengers is terribly mediocre. Now. There's a black widow movie coming out and it's it's black widow So so I sleep I kept saying Wow Yeah, she's a really great character played by an insanely talented actress So brown table myself and I think let's just create a mystery person I don't need to give him a name uh sitting in a room and and someone says Not looking forward a black widow and we all agree and we all smile like yeah Turns out we all agreed for different reasons I thought so because the writing is so bad right now. I'm very worried that black widow's movie is just going to be terrible I think they will ruin the they they will ruin the ruin of retroactively. Yeah, I think they might brown table Is agreeing because he finds her boring apparently Third guy is like well, I know she dies so it's pointless Why do these arguments come up? It's the brain first of all When you rewatch a movie, you know who lives and dies that would be the same shit if you're going to use that logic It doesn't work. Stop trying to make it work. Uh, however Like the idea that you don't know that his story could go somewhere interesting That's simply a challenge for a writer, correct? Surely you could imagine a version where you go Wow, they told a story that's actually really really interesting as to a character So for the argument, I sleep because she's boring. I should be like damn. I thought she was pretty good Uh in the mcu overall. She's one of the the least destroyed characters. So That's how we rank him now one of the least destroyed Um This shot should be taught in all in my school I don't know if I can make it through all this. I have to be honest Well, uh, just let me know when you've got let's say 20 minutes left in your tank Let's soldier for like like you've been have ended with Game and to be fair that would have been a perfect finale, but now a year later No, it would not have been a perfect finale. Nope. There's two aspects of that one had Oh, man, it would have spared us all of this bullshit But on the other oh god, what a terrible ending though Wouldn't have been perfect, but it would have been yeah It would have spared us one division But it was already destroyed like the reality is that that movie kind of destroys a lot As you will find out whenever my video is done He's gonna be laying some truth bombs Later Wanda vision comes out and it's ridiculously good. The problem is that it doesn't stick the landing I rather appreciated what the show is going for the mcu is evolving. It's trying new things Most likely because it's becomes I honestly think it's more generic than ever I honestly think it's more generic than ever. It's taking less risks than ever It's doing all of this shit that we really we don't want it to do Because we actually like risky stuff. We prefer it when you go crazy and roll or whatever Not this super non committal They just bring people back, you know, you know, no one's safe. They'll they will bring them Normally when we say No one when we normally when we say no one's safe It means they might die But in the mcu when we see no one's safe, it means they might live That might come back Nobody's ever really gone. So fucking true that's like morphed completely People like yeah, it is cool that I would say if you're like, that's not that's not I find it amusing that the the lie commonly agreed on is that the mcu was only now taking risk when the mcu was a concept was a risk Never been done before. I think we went over before. That was a new thing Avengers was a huge risk. There was an interview where Scarlett Johansson was saying It was only like six months into filming that we actually started believing in it or at least she did Like that it could work It was a bit nuts nonsense, hugely expensive and it's like hopefully it pays the fuck off And now we can never escape it. There will be mcu forever And it wouldn't be so bad if they had people writing it who gave a shit, but oh well Because it's become so insanely popular that they can honestly do anything they want now and while wondering look at what they're doing I was gonna say what a great fucking point brown table. What a great point for how they could have Uh, so you're you're talking about all the tv shows have like fucking action scenes mandated. What about and guys? I know this is gonna shock you. Okay, if I'm chatting. I need you to just grab your chairs What about an mcu show? It doesn't actually have more than like one action scene in it Whole season. Yeah What? Okay, I should explain myself. No one gets punched and or shot and or kicked. Yeah, it's like no explosions It's about a hero trying to acclimate to post blip world with no actual baddies to fight He's just trying to get his life together. And maybe he's not an avenger. He's just someone who fought along with them Just trying to make things work out I And you know what someone would say man, who's gonna care about that who's gonna watch that? That's not even really super hero-y and I'd be like, yes pretty risky, isn't it? Oh my goodness. Yeah We could do a character study. It could be intense. It could be all about his family building the light It could be all about the wheel building trying to address all the things that happened It even be good It won't be though. Perish the thought The vision tries new things visually and film-wise compared to the rest of the mcu The falcon and the winter soldier makes it its mission to tackle new Controversial themes and stories and at a perfect time too with marvel having massive success No batwoman beat it to the punch Yeah Battle was the pioneer. How dare you You got more batwoman on the way guys. Don't worry. Yeah, we miss it too. We gotta get her back to it. Yeah Some real quality content. I just hate the idea the fucking food falcon the winter soldier is taking batwoman's thunder. That is unacceptable stealing, yeah World ready to tackle themes like these now. Here's the main thing I'm here to talk about the falcon and the winter soldier and the story of the show And the story is very clearly political and talks about racism and how the united states treats its veterans and refugees Etc. And if you think that's cringe, well, you can just leave I guess because I'm not gonna deny it's cringe because of how they did it Yeah, it's basically refugees are good And america's racist and bad I mean It was like There's like a weird implication that borders are bad If we don't have borders or are no refugees like how they treat carly is That's weird No borders means no refugees because everywhere is one place Well, that would still be There was one place. Surely there was you know what I mean like wouldn't you have Pork within a country. They would just be moving around like they wouldn't be homeless. They'd be just Because isn't implicit in a refugee to move from one kind like a bordered place to another bordered place Maybe I thought Yeah, that might be I'm assuming the only reason I'm saying this is because maybe that actually isn't the definition Maybe it just has to do with the displaced person. Yeah, and like you could still be displaced even if you're not Yeah, I get what you mean like it's one world one people Well places in your place one world one people everywhere is your home Uh, yeah, but I mean like your literal house doesn't exist Houses are capitalist oppression We should evolve beyond houses. We should return I'm on board. Let's do it get the bananas I have the show its own message. I'm here to talk about it I think the show tackles these issues incredibly well and in general comic books themselves have been politically charged with I have never questioned that they've been politically charged That is it. You know what they do a lot is they go these people don't even realize that in caps first issue He punches hitler. Is that not political? It's like I don't think anybody All right, did anybody have a disagree with that or yeah I don't know. Yeah, it's just it gets a little awkward. She's just like do you think that's what people Do you have a care to try and figure out what the argument actually is? What I'm asking him does he have a care to find out what the argument actually is so no someone's like Jesus christ. This is heavy-handed. They go, uh, there's been politics in this before you know, like well, that's I was about to say That's their defense whenever you criticize the shitty way that they go about explaining or presenting political messages That's their safety valve defense as they say. Oh, it's always been political as if that's it as if that Is in any way relevant to Me saying the way that you wrote this and your politics is really dumb and doesn't make sense And it's really inconsistent and it doesn't even have a good message They'll just say but it's always been political so I mean, I don't know at least in my case rarely has the criticism ever been that there was a political statement made in something Which usually has to do with the Just don't have a shitty one Well, I mean, I don't even think I can necessarily if it's one I disagree with just as long as it's not presented to me in a way that pisses me off like in a way that's frustrating or Dumb in terms of a communication, you know, like unrealistic, I guess would be Well, for example, what exactly trying to spread resources logistically and then being told you're not doing good enough to do better Wow, yeah, like it's like that's even if I agree with that position It's like you've really not done a good job of actually exploring this topic Yeah, you know Yeah, what your solution is what like what am I supposed to do other than better? Like but what does that actually mean? What do what do what do I do? What does that translate into in terms of actual things? Oh, this is a good example because it's not really political but messaging tlj is like It's from failure that we can learn significantly or whatever and it's just like but you presented that horribly everybody's like The people who are doing the right things are learning to not do the right things and vice versa Like I don't care that that's your message at all like that's not really my point It's just like the horrible way you engaged it Lots of social carries since their inception Speaking of comics funnily enough this speech from og steve rogers is the central theme of this entire show No, it doesn't matter what the press says Is he doing uh, is he doing capsule? It's sort of like a terror attack It doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say you're such a shitty voice actor This nation was founded on one principle above all else The requirement that we stand up for what we believe why do you not look at people when you talk to him Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Can we uh, sorry tetris you are gonna have to wait Can we please replay this from the beginning and listen to it through because I'm pretty sure I just had something I don't like very well Is it the art the voice acting? Oh well It's it's let's see It doesn't matter what the press says Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right This nation was founded on one principle above all else The requirement that we stand up for what we believe No matter but those people are standing up for what they believe is right You said it doesn't matter if the whole country believes that that's That wasn't that like anti-democratic Well, it's funny that the whole country thinks that what's wrong is right It's like oh, so the whole country is standing up for what they believe in which you said is the most important thing I like inherent contradictions in like these speeches. It's really funny well Did he write this or is this something from like the comics or like of something like that I could believe is taken from something. Um Oh man Obviously uh You could argue That it is a principle that would necessarily mean Those should do the same thing like cap could say yes, they should stand up for what they believe in too But that doesn't mean I won't they'll stop, you know, because like it's applicable if you believe it's right then fight for it Give me like a rule. Give me a thing. Give me a like an actual principle not a lot of platitude, you know Give me something like a Like I think I'm vaguely on board with the idea that you should you should fight for whatever you believe is right And it's like well won't everyone do that and it's like I guess we all should Yeah Yeah, I don't think I don't think everyone should Well, you wouldn't no, I think I think there's a general rule It's a good thing to be consistent in your principles But obviously, you you know, you disagree with like what somebody else's Principles are I think that's fine. Yeah, like I would I would picture you would but you obviously like say for example Well, just use the Hitler example. You're like, oh, I don't want him fighting for what he thinks is right. It's like well But you would want people to behave In line with what they believe is correct and you know, uh altruistic in a sense or just the thing that should happen It would be well I mean I If I was gonna Um focus less on what you believe and more in focus on like what actually is good Uh, because you know because because first off you don't choose what you believe So you're gonna have to sort of go into exploring. Why do you believe the things that you do? How do you change what people believe? How do you get people to believe things that are you know good that create good outcomes in a better world? What is a better world and how do we get there? um It's sort of feel good, but and and I think it's good in a way that it feels good to hear that because we almost like Except on the face of it that most people believe in good things and are good people Which is why you say that quote or you hear that quote and it seems positive so I'm sure but like, you know, if everyone told us Everything we do is wrong, which is be like, okay. That doesn't change my mind. I still think what I'm doing is right I feel it's supportive. Yeah Yeah, exactly. It's about yeah, it's it's that supporting aspect Like the thing that you believe is good Can you explain why you think that's good? Why does it make a better world? That's the idea right is like generally It's a good thing to do what you believe is right rather than doing stuff that you believe is wrong But because other people are saying that otherwise, you know what I mean I'm just super chat saying More than saying that that doesn't sound democratic. The u.s. Was never meant to be democratic Why do people always say that shit like it's really frustrating like oh, it's not a democracy It's a constitutional republic or whatever. It's like, what's that we're talking about? Well, I think you know generally when people refer to the u.s. As a democracy they They don't really it's not like they mean the concept of voting basically. Yeah, about everyone that's all they mean Not that it's pure democracy And yeah, anyway Matter of the odds or the consequences So in the mob in the so like and even that bit there no matter the odds or the consequences like no, no No, I feel like the consequences can really be important because I'm not like a pure consequentialist or anything But if you're trying to create a better world for as many people as possible and find the balance You know between order and freedom and that sort of deal that you know Most people hopefully are like I feel like the consequences will in a large way help determine What you're trying to get and how you get there Also Is he talking to spider-man because that's what height of wants or is he talking to spider-man because this is He wanted to draw he wanted to draw spider-man Well, so if this is from one of the movies or if this is from maybe a tv show I don't think if it was from a game he probably wouldn't need to do this But I was just thinking like you wouldn't be able to play the scene in full So instead he can read the dialogue and then create his own visuals, right? Anyone in chat, do you know where this is from because I'm starting to think this is must be from Is it from a comic? I think it's from a comic book, right? Maybe that was my assumption that it was from a comic book. Is it from the Civil War comic that would make some sense, right? I know because wait is it oh, okay. Well, okay. It is from the comic. Okay. Yeah, that's what people are saying I mean he could have just shown the panels. Oh, you know what? It's fine. I'm fine with it No, he's he's he's be this is his art So is that some serious e-wax building in his ear there? It's like oh, no Oh my goodness. Uh, it's sort of the consequences So in the mob in the press and the whole world tell you to move Your job is to plant yourself like a tree. He turned around. We didn't see he's very he's facing him now He has a massive gap between the noise in the mouth He looks so bad Yes, I think he brought too much for gap as well Yeah, it's uh, it looks so bad and his voice acting's horror. 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Look at the Look at that like the blocks like what is that? This is the uh, this is the headquarter sword. Remember this is where vision was. No, I'm not asking where it is I'm asking why is the weird blocks like that? What is that? Yeah, that's the main frame The main frame here. Yeah. Yeah, those are uh, logic dampeners. That's a processing unit for the internal core Vibranium modulation Vibrates funny had it was like oh, obviously they're like Obviously they're like drawers and you would get on a ladder to access the draw And then my brain was like can't be drawers because look how silly the shapes are I was like, no, there's lots of reason This isn't drawers brain government facility, you know That's fair dollars at work But yeah, okay You was produced But falcon and the winter soldier makes swan division look ridiculously mid and by the way as I say this I'm not counting marvel netflix. That's entirely different and the brown table huge realization coming for you, buddy I think that you think that anything is mid once you get the new thing You're just like well that thing's old now some meh I don't want to play with you anymore. Literally that Fair devil is better than the entire marvel cinematic universe. Okay. Anyway, the falcon and the winter soldier is except for Dear devil, I guess it's all about people who have differing agenda. He's saying the netflix shows don't count in in his uh in his view, which is Weird Well, I kind of get it. But yeah, yeah, I get it. They're different. They're out there. They're not part of the they're Like wow, I mean obviously I want dead able to come back But I don't really care about the rest of them dead of all I want them back in everyone feels that way get them in there Do you really want them in the mcu? Yeah, you got a you got a point. It might be better if you just Like you know, there's probably a lot there was like, oh come on. Yes, we want it I was like no seriously though What if they bring him in and they assassinated shit on him and then that's it you will end up saying like god I wish they never brought him in this is like really think about it That's true. That's true Anyway, the falcon or soldier is all about people who have differing agendas all going against each other Every single character believes they're doing the right so See He's not wrong. She believes when she incinerates innocent people that she's doing Yeah, well, I was like, it's all about people with different agendas going against each other Yeah, yeah, a lot of things are that I think he's right. He is on point Right thing and the story occurs when these agendas clash it can be as simple as All right, so much like that's how stories work What conflict well, you know what free he's still right So get wracked Look the more he does this the more it becomes a mock bram video, so it's fine with me I'm unborn while at bram table feed me the truths agendas clash It can be as simple as bucky thinking sam shouldn't have given up the shield And something more complicated like how sam and bucky don't think john walker deserves the shield and man It is richest shit. The show has some of the best character work in the entire mc No It's it's so funny to hear this after we've watched it and we're just Tense and nervous sweating hoping they won't assassinate this character too um It's a best What do you mean? What do you mean by that lying that there is best and worst and that's some work? Maybe he'll qualify it that doesn't you that's so before ideologies Let's just talk about something. I just adore about the show and that's the fact that these characters feel like people They aren't oh, it's the same thing as heights off their people They're real people. Well, they're probably not like this picture of a robot that I get from bubble bubble.com story blocks Storyblocks.com don't want to be cruel here But I feel like after they watch the show and they send a message and like that show was fucking great Oh, yeah Well, hey, do you want to talk about it quickly and they jump into a calling like oh man What I loved about it so much was how real everything. Oh, you're so like the characters are so yeah Yeah, the fact they have money troubles finally. Oh, it was such a realistic character thing problem to have Especially in this world now that the post blip of course, there'd be money problems. Yeah, there'd be my oh, so real Yeah, it was really real The world Yeah, I'm gonna go make my video about how real they are good talk guys Simulate human emotions the Falcon and the Winter Soldier succeeds in making most of its characters feel like people who live Lives have desires and I mean, I can believe that they have the Well, did y'all just have y'all never watched any of the MCU stuff before like I feel like this show came out and it erased everybody's memory So do the MCU heroes Live lives and have desires prior to Falcon and Winter Soldier. I love the idea. This one goes not really Not really. No, they didn't live lives. They did not have desires Just like Tony Stark. He's like billionaire playboy goes to like parties Invents shit that gets him shit tons of money to be able to sell it and then eventually like I'm not even going into the You know the change, right? Like his desire is to just keep going live life to the fullest He loves it. He's like, okay Thor. It's like well, he was um Just going to different realms and beating the shit out of people like with his armies to protect the You know the general realms and he felt pretty damn awesome about it I think Thor 2 opens with him doing that in one of the realms like recovering from the damage that was done by Um something and the bifrost being destroyed. I can't remember the point is yeah He's he's going around doing those things too. He lives in Asgard and his values are protecting that will but also that he's got pride issues You know, so Steve's like he's living A rough life in in in Brooklyn as he watches his friends and family like go off to fight a war that he can't join because he can't Achievements who tries to find his different ways in I would just be like We're what are you talking about? Like we've had this for a long time I don't know No, we haven't All right We're just doing their best day to day. It is so refreshing. I don't think you can call what happens in this show They're day to day I get that you you're doing the boat thing. It's like sure But like there's only one episode of the boat thing the rest of it is crazy shit How come you don't care when spider-man's help and build the death star? Well, he gets there too late, but still Yeah, it breaks. They probably fix us that boat every day every day. That is his life is fixing this boat And being bitched at by his bitch sister Not being around when he was saving the world all was not existed and also turned to dust. Yeah To see what samph is like outside of superheroing what bucky's life is as well The show really develops these side protagonists that have no it came across as though it did It wanted you to believe it did But sure but not had enough screen time easily fooled And how they bring their own personal struggles into the action is what makes for a great superhero storytelling Is that right? Why do you put text on the screen all the time? I was gonna say we didn't get much of that with the other two. Well, you do get it with high top a bit, but like brown tables obsessed Great, yeah with this specific Fonts you know what's funny about this if you said to us, what does it mean to have great superhero storytelling? I feel like our answers are either going to be incredibly simple like make it make sense or Really complex like we have to go into depth about like a lot of different things You might have to do to achieve the genre of superhero, but simultaneously like I just feel like he would say something like, you know, make sure you have Characters that feel real Like yeah, yeah, all right. Yeah. Wow. That's kind of like a prerequisite for storytelling. I feel like that too It's like, hmm. All right It hopes that the audience believes it Thanks mark We have sam someone who's been resurrected thanks to tony stark and he's struggling to make ends meet even though He's a little super It feels Yeah, I think unless he's trying to argue that it was tony that got rid of the army that would have killed everybody so But like that doesn't make sense doesn't I think he just messed him up Yeah, but if the army died then Wouldn't it also it also resurrected half of Thanos's army too, right? It would have. Yeah Yeah, that was a mistake What who's to say Let those why didn't you just say why did like why didn't you just wish that they stayed dusted although the enemy army people? That would have made things easier. He couldn't have known he could why why a lot of things rags. Why a lot of things Hero he's given up the shield as he believes not only does he not deserve it But he isn't ready for the ramifications if he does accept it worse Well, I mean ignore what he said in the end game. Fuck that I was going to say brown table's correct. It's just that it doesn't match what we saw in end game. Unfortunately, but yeah Yeah, but hey, what what is continuity? What is world building? What is consistency? Fuck it. We want to do this in our show. So it's a hell with all that. Maybe he was lying Sis sister wants to sell his family boat something he doesn't want to happen There's this scene in a bank that is just so great because it's nice to see a superpowered being have to struggle with things Regular people face. He's not a superpowered being It's not superpowered being he gets the government loansoms gadgets He pulls up dead evil who is more comparable to spider-man In terms of the whole secret identity thing then but as soon as dead evil becomes part of the avengers That's it. That's it money problems go away. And in fact with danny rand and iron fist his money problems go away too Because he's super rich. Um He's doing the high top meme Look, they have money troubles. This is real. It's like guys, please I know you're better than this. Come on. This gotta be more fun Like some instead of what doesn't have money problems Like when there was that brief arc where he's working for as a public A public prosecutor or a public defender. I think you Fuck I can't remember what it was. No, he was a public prosecutor. He didn't have money problems then That's comics accurate. So you'd love that I just I would like them to really expand what they mean by What it means to like have personal problems and be real characters beyond fucking being poor Like please there's so much more to the human experience than that Come on. You can do it It humanizes the character and makes us empathize of course by man You should be able to empathize with people who are rich Uh, no, no They're not even people really not really. No, right. Yeah What was that? What was that thing that cosmos said about woose smith like they doesn't empathize with him because he's rich That had to be cheated on. What's that to do with him get it with the with that That entanglement thing What was that related to Was it when he was cheated on right? Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah, that was what I was saying entanglement the cheating thing Don't worry fringy. I've got it Here we go In case you forgot this what the full take from cosmonaut But money doesn't equal happiness. Yes, it does. You goofy ass nigger Yeah, I mean simple as that Yeah, if you're just if you got money, you're just happy Because cosmonauts are fucking moron. It's unbelievable. Will smith was in five movies last year. Don't feel too bad for him. Like what the fuck if you're You're in five movies. How come you're not happy? But Don't you know that money equals happiness Since what was you know one of the oldest axioms in all of the humanity is that money doesn't buy happiness The hell of a lot more complicated than that. This is like, oh, well, shut up. You're like, okay You know this tweets doubly funny when you remember that. Oh, yeah Cosmonauts are one percenter. Oh for sure. Wow. Yeah, he definitely is Like he rich as fuck. Yeah, he's not just like that. He like he tweets about like so for example the snider cut He was like can't wait for the snider cut to pay for my vacation or something like that Um, and I remember snider fans were really upset. They were like, this is bullshit He's just gonna shit all over the movie and get money for it and then turned out you liked it and the snider fans like Yay, cosmonaut, woohoo so anyway Spider-Man 2 he has money problems. This is a real character How that works makes us empathize bucky on the other hand is in therapy. So hey get for him and he's trying to write a You might say All right, having some stuff with ptsd would be quite a way to like empathize in terms of just the struggle they're going through What if you add that they're a millionaire? Does that suddenly make it meaningless? I wonder I don't know maybe I mean they here's the thing falcon It's almost I maybe they deliberately Clearly it worked to this idea that we give falcon money troubles even though it doesn't fucking make sense because loser idiots like brown table and Was it the other ones will just be like, oh, okay, so he's not rich so I can empathize It's really odd But I was actually directing that at more cosmonaut because of the whole The tweet not I wasn't saying that brown table was saying the only way you can suffer is by being poor Sure, he doesn't think that he thinks rich people can just give money to a movie theater He's never been to and that'll be that was something he said something he said Makes me makes me appreciate how my parents tried to instill in me like the importance of The value of money and the value of hard work and things of that nature because I hear Brown table saying stuff like that now like man, I could have been that Oh, you fucking dodged a bullet there, didn't I Tony's pts. He doesn't matter because he's rich true Men's due to his soldier past thing is he's going about this the wrong way The whole nakajima subplot is absolute gold dude and see absolute gold It's a subplot. It's episode one and then the last like Yeah, then they remember it at the very very end it can barely breathe like can we please be honest about it? It's an idea. It's barely an execution Come on brown table. It was like nothing Being a hero trying to find love is just such a nice feeling. I think it's because Trying to find love is such an is that another stock image? Oh, that's gotta be a man's smile Smile at camera Well, I like to think he's looking at a vtuber. He's like trying to find love is a wonderful time The hero falls in love with the obvious female lead and seeing something a lot more casual Also, that's a fake as shit smile. Come on It's not real. That was fake as shit. All the stock stuff comes across as just a little bit like uncanny Yeah Yeah And seeing something a lot more casual is very much appreciated at least by me Thing is bucky's guilt his past that he can't escape still traps him It shows flaws in our heroes our heroes aren't perfect and then we meet john But that's not like emperor like that wasn't none of that was his fault though So same characters have flaws. It's not really Why is he saying it like that we haven't got this before Like he's a flawed character or something because something was done to him that he didn't choose to do It haunts him it's Uh, if you want to define like a flaw even as damage done to you that is mean in that sense. Yeah, that's yeah Who exhibits similar flaws? He's just a person but now has to embody the symbol of an entire nation How is that similar in any way? I'm not sure. I was anything approaching similar I I don't know how he's connected with dis soldiers or bucky's issues to walkers issues are very entirely dissimilar people I've got No clue Yeah, that's a weird one Entire nation captain america is more than iron man than hulk than friggin iron patriot because he symbolized the best of what america can be since So We're going from everything we saw in all of the movies Do you think cap or iron man is the more morally upstanding human being? Um, well unfortunately for cap um, he abandoned his friends I mean while totie died for them Yeah, yeah, um That's the thing like there was a time when they were both just great. Yeah. Yeah Uh, that point is in the pond. Yeah, that time is it is Not with us. We have moved on from such times Hmm It's world war two captain america is an icon John walker has been built by the u.s. Government to become that icon and to meet those expectations No, he wasn't built to become that icon What you think that you think they were like grooming him to replace captain america like when was that established? Oh, I see what you mean So you're saying he wasn't like fucking grown a lab from start to finish to eventually take this role It was that He's the guy they were they like probably went through a couple of candidates and we're like this one seems to be the most applicable or most worthy Yeah, um, yeah when they realized that when they decided they wanted another one they went through a list of candidates They didn't pick him years and years and years ago And groomed him and trained him specifically to become captain america whenever steve died or Gave up or he's probably referencing his speech where he said you Made me or whatever to the government, right? Oh, but that was his military stuff. That was him as a soldier. That wasn't him as captain america But then I'd say he's using built very loosely to be this is the person they're having be the new captain america It's like I mean, yeah, but built is a bit of a captain america is a soldier Well, yeah, uh, this is this is the complication of the series, right? And a lot of these sort of analyses where they're trying to be like, okay So it's doesn't belong to the government, okay? It's it's more of a metaphorical like label that represents your qualities as a character in which case again falcon loses Walker wins but if we Only said it was something the government don't loud and yeah, I guess we're gonna have to wait until Well, I'm assuming you guys would say the same but it looks to be that falcon's just going to have that role from the government Yeah I guess I guess he gets to I guess He's stolen it like I said Man, I wish I had a Wakandan vibranium fucking suit. I might have decided to try and save the day What does it really got to do with falcon's character? That's like the issue I have with this Yeah, it doesn't have anything to do with falcon's character I guess we never even got to talk about that like crafting a payoff that is essentially Like like he has to make some big sacrifice to prove that he is truly captain America And they tried I guess to do it with the whole pushing up the Armored truck thing. The problem is that it should have killed him. So it's kind of awkward to look at. You're just like, how is he? Oh, I guess that's just something you can do now. How is this even possible that he can do this? We'd probably have to do it by he very publicly does something That uh, he thought was going to kill him to save the day, but he survives it that sort of thing Um, I just think that the one make it work. Yeah the person who did that IMO is job walker. He he sacrificed his shields to grab the thing more than a bunch of Super soldiers started to try and kill him while he's trying to save people It's like he doesn't know what's gonna happen next And then he gets thrown like isn't it like a fucking 50 foot drop or some shit the uh into the construction area? I don't know Yeah It's a lot because Everything's so broken anyway I didn't even think about criticizing like the payoff that is falcons sort of moment of being cap Which is pulling up that armored truck Yeah, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever and is It reminds me a little bit of um The whole the snider cut thing just like well, why wouldn't he have done that? It would that make him different from the next person who just wants to save people's lives and not to diminish that If all of the avengers were there Yeah, what makes him more captain america than anyone else I guess would be Uh what I was getting out with that and I just don't think in terms of storytelling. They really achieved that because he's black Oh, okay, we need to have a black captain america. We we went over this with the isaiah stuff. Well, they should give isaiah the suit No, because he's Like yeah, I don't wait wait put isaiah in an ant-man suit On the da gym because we can do that now and then give him the suit make him captain america here It'd be great. I solved racism It's pretty much possible Let's not forget also that there never was supposed to be another captain america Steve chose sam to be a successor, but sam ultimately takes the pr- would hawkeye be a better captain america? Well, this just gets uh, what does it mean to be captain america? When should someone be captain america and if it's the characteristics? It's definitely not falcon Yeah, falcon's fucking shit Falcons like been destroyed by this show as a character. Hawkeye's got some weird stuff going on with them The stuff he did was in ronkong. Yeah, like they didn't they just fucking did that Well, maybe we'll get it in his show, I guess I doubt it The personal choice to decline and hand the shield to a museum dedicated at steve and his accomplishments That's how the legacy of the shield was supposed to end only for a new captain america to be brought forth Despite what sam and steve wanted and then there's well, of course So I don't see what stand. I don't see what sam's opinion has in any way It doesn't matter anymore if you don't not even really steve's um So it's it's like because steve's Strange absence from this show creates a lot of kind of like strange issues with What would he say? What would he do? What was his intention? Do steve even have the right to give that shield to someone else doesn't that belong to the government? It's stuff kind of stuff like that It's certainly easier to not have them here. I don't know if it was a thing with chris evans or not But they never even talk about it If I like I don't know I bought a new uh Well, just the next generation of like fucking game boy whatever and I gave you my old one And you started playing games. I don't like on it and I'm just like I don't want you to do that I'm like you've given it away It's a bit late. I don't know this feels weird with because steve's given it away, but falcon's given it away So now who controls what happens with it? It's like the government because he gave it to them Like it's like, yeah, but he didn't want that to happen with the specifics. It's like, oh, well What? There's always a strange to me. Yeah, it's like you probably should have thought of that. I don't know Did you think that it was just gonna sit there forever? It's vibranium It's also as they've pointed out a symbol of like a heroic sort of uh icon that they're probably going It all made sense to me the whole walker thing. It's like, yeah, they probably would do that And then they probably would give him a shield not surprised at all about it when I first saw the thing on the show about our new Captain America. I'm like, yeah The show is like, oh my god I can't believe they have another captain america like it's like people think 007 is not a person You know, it's a title. It's a designation. There's more than one 007 It would also be super interesting if uh falcon was like, yeah, man Yeah, he's describing the events of this and he's like so after I gave it to the smithsonian I found out they and he goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, you gave the shield away and falcon's like, yeah He gave it to the government it seems like you gave it to the After everything I gave that to you I believed in you. This was That was for you to use This was for you to use you were going to be the new captain, you know Oh my god, I want to see that scene so much. He shouted him for ages for not only giving it up but giving it to the government Wow, you didn't even give it to bucky. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, and then right at toward the end of the rand where he's finally dying it down falcon's like I'm black, you know Steve's just like what the fuck does it have to do with anything and he's like, why just mean that you didn't really consider that when Yeah, I know I don't know I guess I should have said yeah, he was like, um, I'm black and you need to do better And yeah, and Steve before he leaves just like I've learned a lot today and falcon's like, oh Oh man Next season's just called captain america the winter soldier, but it's starring cap not falcon because he takes the shield back He's like clearly you need more time to think of what you've been doing yes So he's the weakest link in the entire series, but that doesn't mean her story is any less poignant a commentary on how Surely, how does that make sense? The weakest link, but it's not Uh, a lack of poignancy. It's like that's all right. I guess you call a difference between those two things Evoking a keen sense of sadness or regret. I am sad that it was here and I regret having seen it Nah, just I see what you did there. That was good job Thanks for the united states or so the world treats its refugees and immigrants Carly wants to return the world to how it was, but so This is a very damning kind of Look at refugees like if that's your goal is to evoke sympathy for refugees, right? um Showing a bunch of psychoterrorists burning people alive to get what they want for refugees Oh, not a good look Really not a good Not a good way to deliver that kind of message hence some people saying this the show is critical of people believe it It's like no, it's just incompetent It's like I'm pretty sure it's just incompetent. I guess yeah Much like one woman 84 is very incompetent Before the when people were helping each other during crisis for five years People have been welcomed into countries that have kept them out using bomb wire I don't believe you bullshit. Yeah, look at I don't fucking believe you. There is no Fucking way that countries in the midst of these incredible strikes economically and socially Will just say come on in come on in everybody do it I mean, it's weird. I thought they were refugees Why can't they go back to where they fucking came from if all of this room just opened up and all these people are gone And like what why why should we why should we take in these refugees from somewhere else when we've all got problems now That we have to deal with why why should they come here instead of going back to where they are because of the blip Why would the blip make that why would that happen? Well, the the reason why they're refugees now is because people came back and they don't have a home, right? That's why I find it confusing like surely the refugees are the ones who would be pro Borders because it means that they can go back to their country or like that they Would it be people who would displace because now people are back in their homes like they need to come back The show brings that up as an issue, but never says anything else about it. It's like yeah Yeah, that's an issue. We've not we're not going to say how we've been dealing with it except that it's a problem But it was dealt with kind of but not really maybe It's like I was kind of a falcons like it was kind of a good thing that after people fucking disappeared I guess you would be we're so nice to each other. Yeah, it's captain america right there. She has a point That's what yeah, that's our guy Now the point And then boom just like that it goes right back to the way he checked it Yeah, you know it might be real hot, you know To them at least carly's doing something and so the flag smashers one that is so fucking They're really bad it's so dangerous to say that murdering people with fire Oh god, it's so bad. That's that's probably the I don't know if it is the worst It's one of the worst moments for destroying falcons character Yep Jesus on to return to a world without metaphorical flags as in no countries no borders and while their intentions can definitely be The same metaphorical because it makes sense to smash a flag metaphor. Yeah Tempathized with the show shows that especially no, I don't empathize growing in no no fuck. No. Fuck you. Fuck that No borders. No. No. Fuck that. I don't empathize with that goal. That is I'm gonna dare. I say that's an evil goal I think nobody empathizes with the goal of no borders. That's insane We've been over this in the other stream everything falls apart when you have no borders That is a foul goal. I don't think there's any solid principle behind it I think it's ridiculous. You're a crazy bad person if that's actually something that you want So my thing is is um, I I definitely like the whole I'm a citizen of the world kind of thing But like logistically not really like logistically It's really difficult to govern if you have to govern like 10 billion people all at the same time Yeah, we split down for a reason literally down to our rooms in our houses in our streets in our towns in our city You know like and so on Well, yeah, I mean even in cities you have different count. I don't know if you're in america, but in australia you got like Yeah, I mean, of course you would you have different councils for like different cities and we have different counties And they have different counties different towns I mean you have the town halls and you have the the local elections for the mayors and the treasurer and all that stuff Then you have the state stuff and then do do do all the way up to the you know federal stuff Um, you know, I this reminds you we have the whole meme of this reminds me of carlo marx This reminds me of donald trump america first doesn't mean america alone. It's a good quote. I like it It's this confusion that I country should take their take take care of themselves primarily I think that on an individual level too, but that doesn't mean you don't help people That doesn't mean that you're an isolationist I remember the it's I don't it's just this naive Why can't we all just It's it's like the extreme version of that. It's this weird. We should It's the whole do better thing In a different application. Why can't we all just get along without Why can't I just go wherever I want essentially? Well, this is the thing if someone wanted to argue It's like well the show is saying she's wrong for no borders But you know, we need to sort out this problem as falcon says there is a product It's like you didn't offer any solutions at all. You just said there was a problem and the geosia trying to deal with it They are trying You're blowing them up you fucking morons Increasingly violent and radical and not in the epic way And zemo is out here increasing the tension of it all he believes no, but that makes sam look really bad Carly is so evil like cartoonishly so in fact Well, remember she does this stupid like grid when she's gonna try and kill with the soldiers like what the hell I don't know what they were thinking about Yeah, also. Yes, that is community. He's been watching it recently. I think Or what is And zemo is out here increasing the tension of it all he believes that Carly is a supremacist. He believes Uh, how would you define her as a supremacist just for me? I mean, oh, sorry. I'd wait. Hold on. Is she Damn no actually no no So in the case that she is undoubtedly She thinks that her she's so important and her people that she's fighting her are so important That they are they it justifies her using all of this violence and terrorism in order to do it This puts them in a position above everybody else I think my clarification would be not not supremacist. Just good old-fashioned terrorist. That's that's what she is. Yeah, that's fine Yeah, she's definitely terrorist. Absolutely. Yeah, undoubtedly. Well, if terrorist has any meaning she fits it You can't have yeah, if she's not a terrorist, I don't know if that word has yeah, that word What's funny is I've seen uh, there's someone like me a thread from like the marvel Like main sub discussing the uh, the scene where it says like, oh, she uh, don't don't use labels like terrorists or whatever And how like how that's really dumb dialogue and the thread is all about like wow so many people miss the point What he's saying is when you label people you don't address the issues they have it's like What I mean this whole season was dealing with whatever the fuck she was trying to do but she's still a terrorist That doesn't change anything this again. She's The label is to denote the horrors that she's actually incurring on people like there's a reason that label is there Fucking the idea that as long as you have a point I am sure we keep coming back to her red skull had something of a point mixed in with his horrors as well A lot of people do Like yeah, there's there's very often some level of truth or some meaningful message that's deep down buried within Even like yeah, even if they're fucking absolutely crazy. You might be like we'll see the point that's being made But the systems have created a mental health issue or some shit like that to be like, okay But she's a terrorist and what she's doing is incredibly wrong. She has to be stopped It's like yes, but she has a point of like can you not Can you stop the you know what at least she's doing something you're like Sam please like you're really making this difficult to deal with as a problem You know what let's not capture them Let's uh, let's talk to them I just uh Oh man, it's weird shit Irm will corrupt flag smashers will place themselves above others unable to realize that that isn't assured and steve rogers For example, isn't like that at all, but that's the thing, isn't it steve rogers is one of a kind No, he's not No He's not i'm sorry. See rogers is a well. I mean it's like and the idea is a good um Yeah, because I was like he's a good person, but oh fuck. Yeah, that's the thing like Keep uh, if we consider him up to infinity war. That's all right, right? Yeah, that's steve rogers Uh, well, so this is the problem. Actually. I kind of don't like this whole steve rogers is what it is Like, you know, a lot of the avengers were like really really good people Yeah And a lot of them didn't blow up a triskelion on top of Yeah And they not necessarily all of them had like innate You know like body powers rather than they had to have things that boost them up. Maybe technology or whatever because I'm just thinking about um You know like bruce badder, for example, just like yeah, you're not as good as steve. I'd be like, let's talk Why are you saying that? I don't think that's bad. No. Yeah, like what are you doing like bruce? What's wrong with bruce? Like tony tony was too selfish or he was too ridden with like worry And he made choices that weren't good for the country or the world or whatever. I just feel like wow And yeah, I think um Do not do going a little far with hero worship here steve was uh, not only not perfect But um, there were some people that I would I mean fucking peter park is better than steve So, yeah I'd say that um I mean, well, I guess now I'd say that john uh Okay, uh my brain walker is yeah Well, he didn't drop three helicarys on innocence of it. That's true though. He hasn't had the opportunity to Who knows who knows would he Drop three helicopters on a crowded city Dude, it'd be so funny. Yeah, he neutralizes them The like fury is like are we gonna crash into each other and he goes no that would be very unwise We need these as tools to know can't we just plan these safely? Can't we just land them and just drop them in the river or something and fury if we were to destroy them We fly these into the ocean and drop them in. Yes. Look if we were to destroy them, it wouldn't be here That would be crazy. That would be insane with all of these people beneath us What with you know gravity Where'd it feel? Like it's someone else's there's all this why did that sound weird? I don't know why it did. Yeah, the music felt like it overpowered in the the imbalanced audio like it was Like it's someone else's There's all this shit about the flag smashers and the power broker and it's all pretty messy And it prevents the series from being the best it can be but when the series What do you mean by the best you know that would be the writing and that just kind of be everything Yeah, what do you mean by best it can be there is no such thing as best it can be Oh, yeah, that's right because it's all good because there is no good and bad because all art is just beautiful Magical puppies and rainbows and none of it's worse than anything else. What is in that? What are those? What are those cups? Are those like wine glasses and shot glasses? I feel like but they're like golden goblets Are those in a shelf like are those decorative? Are those meant to be used? I can't answer those questions because I could only speculate So that's weird that they wouldn't be like clear so you could see that like the color of the you know beverage and That's oh, I'm sorry. It's only she's not drinking out of one said what people beneath them They're over water. They drop into water. The only building there is the shield slash hydra bill my good man There's people screaming That's and also as we saw when when romlo got crushed Remember how there were four dudes that were just nearby who were dead? What if they were alive which steve had no reason to believe they wouldn't be and I just you need to Need to revise your statement when you say he only dropped it on a building with shield people. Yeah Please revise that statement Never say that again. He only dropped it on a building. Yeah Never say that that's like excel Else it does so with so much force because it knows what it wants to say with at least one of its stories Captain america the hero steve rogers is a great man with incredible ideals Willing to go against his country in order to do what's right, but captain not a good visual for that He's fighting the nazi yeah America is more than hydra nazis. Whatever steve rogers It's a symbol that has many different meanings to many different, but he's been the only Captain america that there is So he's kind of really tied in a deep way to the title captain america and as far as we know It's not even really a title Until this um like we know it now, but Um, I don't know it feels like trying to separate steve rogers from captain america is gonna be pretty difficult before this yeah, um, but if you're going to bring in someone else as a result of Trying to pass over the mantle whatever surely you'd be like does he embody all of the things that steve did rather than what captain america is But then at the same time like my instant assumption is oh, yeah to be captain america You'd have to be in the names a bunch of things that steve was in his prime Not necessarily because steve turned out to be a shitty captain america then like captain america would be bad Yeah, probably would have died out as a label yeah For people and bucky have only ever really seen captain america as steve Meanwhile people like zemo and aya see the shield and think of the problems in the world Those stars and stripes don't mean that's dumb. Yeah, so the show says that they're wrong And we know that they're wrong. Yeah, pretty much. Um So fucking else stars and stripes. I am patriot with coveted stars and stripes you fuck Desire to become a superhuman cannot be separated from supremacist ideal Anyone with that serum is inherently on that path. That's also the kind of thing walker now has to deal with america though That has to do with superstars is fundamental That's like human nature. He's talking about like his or at least his view on the nature Yeah You've invented that Oh Don't show that seed Yes, I do and that's the thing the the people who watch the show Like he looks like he's cross-eyed. I like how he put the spit off towards the reason why he did that was because he spat on him We'll know is to help with copyright probably. Oh, do you think that's why? Oh, well, oh, who knows with him? I don't know Uh But people see this And like oh this this Is like the first chafferless, I think He's he attributes more weight to walker's character from this scene Instead of Bailing out of jail Saving lives, you know the the constant humility The the self-doubt and his conversation with lemar and his wife like that but because people Because people are really easily gullible and unfortunately a lot of really gullible people who don't think or can't think deeply are people making Videos about media. So that's just not helpful at all Well, there's nothing we can do right it's freedom If only there was some kind of if our lead there was no such thing It's kind of brilliant how the show makes walker very obviously not captain america his attitude his behavior ultimately But you're all the wrong It's just not thought about that much just lead to the evil thing. Okay. This is definitely Think about things. They just don't they don't they have no critical thought Mating in him someone with authoritative power murdering someone who while in the wrong can't murder and is begging can't defend themselves They totally can Carly can like the shield So this is the problem with the shield is that they just decide on individual scenes whether or not it's a weapon or not Like that's why he can throw Something at car like like they can block it or like a chair right Like you could you could just kick a chair at it and it just stops it and And like there's no reason the super soldier couldn't just catch it with his hands That guy in the ground is a super soldier. He's not just a normal person Well, it's it's been over a couple of people that uh, there's so much he can do in the position that he's in um just doesn't And maybe it's because he got scared Could be a lot of reasons but walker's obviously going for the execution and he's successful Um, but this guy is still absolutely a threat Oh, yeah, absolutely. He is the weapon For his life, john walker doesn't have what it takes to be captain america. Yes, he is John walker's fucking incredible. He's such a such a good person We need more john walkers if you think that john walker is a bad person you failed I just want to go through all the reference of ground table I want to ask you about all the different things john walker did and I want to see how he rationalizes it as like Evil or daught to be a captain americrity Fascinating Should have been clear as this bit of dialogue popped up. You ever jump on top of a grenade? Yeah, actually I have four times It's the thing I do with my helmet. It's a reinforced Helmet. It's a long story and even though john walker was- how does that make him a bad person? That makes him a good person. He's jumping on grenades and you're like, yeah, that's a bad person Is he trying to imply that he's like showing off? He was literally asked Yeah, he wouldn't have said that if he wasn't asked And a lot of people who get metal of honor is get it by jumping on grenades and saving all the people around them So that shouldn't be a surprise even well But the the fucking thing about that scene is it says more about bucky bucky is saying like you Person who saved my life haven't jumped on a grenade. So what does that say? It's like bucky That is not what determines whether or not someone is good. You fucking weird This scene like I don't even think that I can't blame someone for not jumping on a grenade In that that doesn't mean you're a bad person because you don't like that's like that's an insane thing to do That is a yeah, that is a there's a reason we give people metals of honor for doing that because that is not typical behavior but um But yeah, this scene is basically it it says more about how bucky and sam are just shit Yeah, then it does to say about how walker is good even though it does say that walker is good It's amazing to me that um Like that might have actually been the intention from the showmakers too for all I know They're like, yeah, we're gonna have him say oh, yeah, I jumped on like four of them Yeah, I'm even better But they have it but have that dialogue they have him say it that way after what bucky said I'm just like so all you've done is make bucky look like an asshole He's an asshole and captain america only brings it up when I keep calling him captain america because he just is Um, but walker only brings it up when he's asked about it Yeah, and we even had the interview earlier in the episode where he was deliberately downplaying all of his accomplishments So yeah, he's he's great. I was just trying to think of it like Maybe guns or cars or whatever But if if rags you were talking extensively about like the inadequacies of a particular car or gun Then someone goes do you have you even shot one of those and you go? Yes, I have actually many times at the local range or whatever and then go wow That says everything I need to know about you Yeah, look at you bragging about this and acting like you're a big man I don't know. Don't ask that's like just don't ask me questions if you don't want me to answer them Yeah Good god Amazing. Yeah, actually I have four times. It's the thing I do with my helmet. It's a reinforced Helmet. It's a long story. And even though john walker isn't the greatest guy He's genuinely doing his best, which is what makes his character so compelling. You know, at least he did said that So at least yeah, I was about to say like yeah, this is this is nice to see Okay, what do you think? Did he even come up in high tops video? I can't remember I don't know that he did. I only talked about was how he was very little about walker at all That was all we got. He's america soldier It's saved like how do you because walk is like what are the best it's the best thing about the show Yes, yes, walker is the best thing about the show walker is a fucking chat But there's a difference between his approach to things which is pretty much violence first compared to sam's No, which is how can you have his approach be violence first and show a scene where he's Literally letting sam try and talk things out with the terrorist. Hey rags. That's one How about uh, can you think of a time where somebody tries to take his head off and he offers to have a talk with them? Oh, yeah, yeah, I always forget about that stupid scene because nobody talks about it You'll like See, this is just a classic example like brad table has said something. There's information. He's had to omit for it to be true That's a remind remind me. I I'm drawn drawn a blank. No condoms when they fight killing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah They are yeah, there's a bunch of fucking barbarians is what they are To understand me and attempt to neutralize the situation without anyone getting hurt Sam has this caring nurturing side to him We see this in captain america the winner soldier when he's helping people process their ptsd their traumas He has this caring side to him about terrorists, but not about his fellow soldiers. Like what the fuck is fucking christ I wish they had maintained this part of his personality. I really did You'd think he more than anybody would understand the dangers of an enemy combatant that's like radicalized and trying to blow you up You'd you'd think he'd have some insight into like how to deal with situations like that instead of you know What when you talk to him every time go talk to him. Yeah in all of those missions where he went out to war and killed people like I assume that's what he did. What about them? Did he not try and talk them talk to them all those terrorists and say, oh, you know, maybe How can we talk to the guy he pulled out of the plane and then threw into a rock? Well, that guy was evil. I don't know. Yeah, right. Yeah, he was a bad guy. There was no saving him Don't too far And in falcon and the soldier we see him trying to understand carly's issues to better resolve the conflict No, the bullet will resolve this carly in general is a conflict on this And he put it in a different fonts as well. Oh change it up Oh flights are creative Carly in general is a fine albeit underdeveloped character. No, she isn't fuck. She's all fine Um, I don't even know what to say about her as a character. She's a psychopath like uh She's yeah, she's a fucking psychopath and even her own Soldiers are like Jesus Christ. I don't know like if someone's like, well, what is she consistent? I'd be like a guess Her plan and her goals are ridiculous and they make no sense and they're bizarre and weird The only way I could argue she's she's consistent is that she's so Immature that she thinks what she's doing will achieve what she wants. Like she's that stupid That's all I got She kills people but only people that were involved with the mistreatment of other humans Oh How wow those guys who were just told to just guard we got these supplies Can you just guard these supplies and make sure no one takes them because we're gonna use these for You know stuff And they're like, yeah, sure. We'll just make sure like we're just gonna make sure no one takes them I guess those people get blown up for it Like wow that I will look they were kind of involved, all right So anyone working for the g.r.c. In like an office or a janitor. Can she just murder them? Every video essay always reveals some strange morality like it's these people are weird. They're they're bizarre with their morality My friend's able to know Why did you say that what are you doing? Damn it so close with this close to great She kills people but only people that were involved with the mistreatment of other human beings So was lamar involved in the mistreatment of people What the hell well lamar was trying to stop her so that makes him you know And her motivations are noble. She's just going about it No, they're not. What do you mean the noble? She wants to kill another noble this This vague sense of everybody should get equal stuff Now to blow up people What do you want to stop stop saying this stop it like you can't like it is not noble to tell countries You can't be a nation anymore and to tell the people that you can't like organize yourselves anymore You can't do that and you can't have your own groups Like that is a horrific thing to tell people to just erase The identities of all of these cultures and these political institutions That that is a that is a horrific thing to do. It's terrible. It's like it's soft genocide You're like the damage caused by removing borders would be incalculable It would be catastrophic Imagine like like I said, uh, we killed without saying the last tree was like put her in control and then she's like right Finally I can do right by the world and after a whole bunch of You know paperwork and figuring out what we have where we can get she ends up just doing what the giasi are doing Because it's like the most reasonable way of logistically like passing out the resources or something She's just like, oh, I guess I just didn't get it. I didn't get what they were doing. Yeah, probably not You're like an insane person blowing people up Bring back Lamar his adventures Well, she's just going about it in the completely wrong way Her journey going from wanting to save people to eventually killing people and being okay with becoming a martyr Because there will always be people who will believe well that but that's isis She's is that what happens? Is she a martyr by the end of this? Please know How was she a martyr? Um, she's not a martyr. She's a dead terrorist. She got what she fucking deserved What happens too late? Unfortunately. Well, yeah, remember Sharon Carter's the one that finally ends her because Falcon can't do it because he's a fucking idiot He almost dies because he's not willing to kill her. When did she want to save people as I guess that was supposed to be like but that's her um Just people Remember people were dying of disease TM like and she would they wouldn't have if they were helped by the GRC because GRC is too busy helping people who just came back Which by the way in the initial six months seems like a very reasonable thing to do But the GRC is that's what they're for That's like getting upset at a school for the deaf or not So like giving school to blind people when I first watched this show what I thought was happening was the governments were now still in place Uh, albeit different from what they would have been obviously But the GRC is this program or group or a council that was created specifically for those who came back I thought that's what that was But it kind of seems like the GRC is just the government It's just like that is what the government is now the GRC. That's where it's called And it's very confusing, but again, they don't really do much for will-building So I don't even know that they have any clue how it would work. They don't know Even the flag's most cause is pretty wild and pretty great. The only problem with Carly It's pretty wild and pretty great No borders one people What what did he say? It's pretty I need to play all that people that were involved with the mistreatment of other human beings And her motivations are noble. She's just going about it in the completely wrong way Her journey going from wanting to save people to eventually killing people and being okay with becoming a martyr Because there will always be people who will believe in the flag smashers cause is pretty wild and pretty great Okay, I guess he just means it into the storytelling. I thought he said that she wasn't really a character at all You said that it was fine. Now you're saying it's great. You guys I don't like But like you just said this stuff. You shouldn't have to write your like your brain's memory. You should be like Oh, yeah, that's right. I just said this other thing. Also just proof watching it, right? Who'd come up? The only problem with Carly is that her goals are too broad The show makes it clear why she's doing what she does, but it doesn't make her end game Not really clear and without a clear end game the audience will always One world one people that's what her her mode. You know, that's where her motto is Yeah, that's our that's her motto sometimes that's too broad No, I mean, I mean the name of her organization is the flag smashers So anything that obviously is referring to the destruction of countries. Yeah, well, there should be no countries pretty much Yeah, uh, it should just be One country if you will the world one. Yeah Uh, and if you said like well, I love the idea of being ruled by some bureaucrat and fucking belgium or something like that That sounds great. I don't even know that that would happen, right? It would just be It would just well, yeah I'd be anarchy and people would form countries immediately once more Exactly That's the really stupid part probably if if every country agrees like that's it borders are done We're dismantling. It's all everyone go nuts. It would just be like, okay. So a slot We're gonna keep up a big little place called efap You guys could join efap if you want to but there are rules and we have Have democratically elected leaders or something, you know, there's someone else like no the world is out of keys Like I don't fucking agree to that fuck off. We have property rights here Yeah, I'm moving to the people I'm moving to the Republic of Texas as soon as I can I gotta try to get in before they you know start putting that wall up to save themselves I mean, it's insane. It's so nonsense and insane. Uh, and so if he said It's too broad. It's like I think what you mean is it's impossible Like the goal is so absurd and I think it is impossible. It's just so incompatible with human nature And just groups I imagine that it's impossible until we reach a point where we're so resource abundant and technologically advanced that it's almost incomprehensible anymore I don't think for as long as for as long as people have specific needs They'll need to be governments and for as long as There are a certain number of people in a certain scarcity of resources they'll always be You know, I think it'll persist after that Uh, no, I think like if we're talking about so far in the future that there's like a super computer that just governs everything And like has all the resources you could ever want Like why would there ever be countries anymore at that point because we have different cultures. Yeah, um The different values and different histories but different traditions Mmm. No, I don't think so. I still I feel like there you reach some point of it Why would why would that necessarily mean that you wouldn't have that you wouldn't have countries still? Like country in the sense of these are the borders of the country. This area is governed by these people Why wouldn't you just have like areas where people just congregate? Well, I don't know Because there's limited amount of space I would also argue that like countries if the borders don't in any way represent a difference in like Experience of living like everywhere is the same. It would still be useful. Like oh, wales is there england is there Oh, sure, but I guess it wouldn't be like countries as they exist right now is what i'm saying Like it would be different at that point. Yeah, I mean it would be yeah If different if resources were infinite, uh, there's gonna be a shit ton of changes, but I do think it would Like how why would countries dissolve are you suggesting like how long would it take? Before the world is so like diverse with everybody everywhere at all times and all cultures are melting into each other and stuff that It would start to get arbitrary to even say like i'm from next place So I guess it's the uh, it's the question of because Like even now in terms of you know, the countries that exist right now used to be home I need to stop tetris now. This is the countries that uh used to exist A lot of like the general trend seems to be that more and more Countries get bigger and like the specific Countries the number of countries decreases That seems to be the general trend like what germany is now used to be a lot of different smaller states and what uh The united kingdom is now used to be a bunch of different smaller states And like what you know, america was was a bunch of separate colonies that then form together So there's like subdivisions, but the broader system like it gets bigger and uh Absorbs more and more that just seems to be like the general trend And I could easily imagine seeing that like continue as a trend the more that um The more that you sort of move towards uh resource abundance I'm not like I would still take to like remove the mexican and canadian borders So that just becomes one huge america and like how do you even oh well? Yeah, but I mean, I guess I guess the example right is like the eu is a place where there are countries in it But you can move freely between those between those states. I didn't think you meant that I I assumed you Oh, um, okay I guess to clarify Like I imagine the idea of that that that There would still be a recognition of this area is here This area is here And and like this is what the people generally are like But that people will be able to move more freely like that the the division won't be as significant as a as a you know was before That's kind of the general gist of what I figured I can easily see the world going that way I wouldn't have enough information to say that I think that'll definitely happen But I would like to like the ease of travel Well, I think think about it this way imagine like if we become a multi-planetary species imagine that we have like 10 planets What what exactly does the government have more countries now than? Because we well well well it depends right because like you look at australia That's one country but like all of the different groups that existed here are as indigenous tribes. They were like a thousand And I don't think that it was a country each Well, if you've got a group that have their own separate culture and language and uh, and uh Government systems that they had surely that's all that Matt and their own territory. Surely that's what constitutes a country, right? In fact, I'm pretty sure that's like all of the categories that are recognized for what a country is That's kind of what I'm saying is like If you go further and further back, it was just incredibly small groups Like really small groups and then the thing is that they congregate the bigger that they get That's why I mentioned like America, canada, mexico. I don't see like the next jump The jump for america has been you know, it almost makes a lot of sense If there was like one small state near or right next to america that Has all of america's laws. It just doesn't really conform. I'd be like I could see that one joining eventually Maybe yeah, sure, but I don't know that canada would ever just be like well We're joining america Yeah, I I guess I guess on a more broad Uh, like I said, if imagine if you had like a multi-planetary species imagine humanity had 50 planets Does like this is canada. What if like Like if you had canada in the united states and then you started having it in different countries It's like so who governs like if canada has a territory I don't know on like mars or something and then eventually they're like we want to be our own um Would it would it be more likely that you would eventually just see like massive planetary governments form Or like not necessarily the erasure of the countries themselves, but more so that there would be some big Authority that oversees all of the Well one thing they would be that as soon as we get to other planets We will be there'll have to be earth rules that don't apply necessarily to other planetary rules Like that would have to happen Yeah, I think they would probably be similar Yeah, because of a shared history. Yeah, I guess that's from and stuff Well, yeah, because I can imagine they'd be like un rules like like global rules on Just like human rights and things like that like global That's what i'm getting at though is what would these significance be in terms of like How how much more important would it become for these planetary bodies in terms of the authority that they have if they need to think about interplanetary Stuff if you know what i mean, well, I figure that by the time we have interplanetary travel It would be comparable to like old world new world crossing the ocean Yeah, maybe um like as in as in they would eventually become Well, I guess I would see that that like they would become autonomous eventually and eventually Yeah, when they start off, they'd be too small and they wouldn't be independent But I feel like we would be progressive enough Like kind of like how we are today We're like through the 40s in the 70s of the european country countries started really inquisiting colonies And the things of that nature But the countries that are Let's put this way the countries that are capable of space travel will be the ones who are socially progressive enough To understand that they will not be able to hold sovereignty over what was essentially Going to start out as an outpost that will become a colony that will Vote to be independent that like that's I think that's just going to be inevitable when people settle there But it's still going to be worth doing because the countries that settle their first or settle areas first Their influence and being the mother country in a traditional and cultural sense will be extremely valuable But that's the relationship of Britain Britain wasn't detrimental in the long term by the united states Existing as a country like in the short term maybe but long term there are benefits from uh There were there were still the benefits of actually going to that place Britain is definitely our mother country. Yeah I guess it's just a question of Because we talked about it before how like naturally you have like subdivisions because you don't necessarily you can't Most people I don't think expect that somebody who lives like thousands of kilometers away Knows how to govern your area and that's why you break it. Yeah, that's the thing I got from there I guess my question is I don't know how What those subdivisions would look like if you were looking really really far into the future and there was a A massive like and especially if um if you imagine that there was a super computer that intimately understood everybody's needs um Like at that point I think at that point the super computer is my concern not the I was about to say I feel concerned about the super computer But I guess what I'm saying is like imagine that it just was accepted as a as a thing like the super computer knows all Basically the deus ex invisible war thing where like Basically the computer becomes god You know the quote of if god doesn't I thought people would want to make him We didn't have to have the super computer idea We could have just had we developed technology like creating lab food or whatever that comes from a recyclable source literally like converting fucking nuclear the waste into an edible Food source or something crazy and it just it just means that there's nobody needs to be starving on earth anymore Because we have like a bazillion times the amount Yeah, I will master atomic energy eventually and a glass of water will power a fucking city for a year Something like that. Yeah, and and so then it just becomes a matter of logistics once again Which by the way the show is just trying I just I feel bad for the giosti. They're trying they are trying um maniac maniacal foreigner you've been saying a lot of things that are frustrating because like I'm not saying whether or not. I think this is good or bad. I'm just speculating on whether or not I think this might happen Like calm the fuck down talk about oh, this is an Orwellian nightmare. Have you heard of it? It's like it's a thought It's just something that's being raised to explore a concept Like calm down getting freaked out about exploring like an idea Yeah, if we can't we we got distracted from it It is relative We're still on on point because this is what we're trying to address what carly wants and the the key detail that we have I think that's required to ever even question the idea of borders going down is infinite resources because once you have that Then you can build anything anywhere and everyone can have everything The borders are now representative not of um The the state of the the the countries and how they're supported from the their own taxpayers versus the uh All the work that's done there all these kind of complicated things instead if everybody's got infinite money and food and water it's like so now it's really just about like um what it means to be in these places and So, you know other pieces of functionality. There's gonna be a lot left to be concerned with But the thing i'm trying to get at here is that we're all sort of sort of jumping to infinite resources Is required before borders are going to be disappearing in any way shape or form and that's the one thing We absolutely do not have right now in this universe Oh, there's no way not in the world that we exist in not even for like the next thousand I was actually true about ours, but I was most referring to the Blip unblip world Imagine the resource struggle right now. It's gonna be insane. Well, yeah, that's the thing is like hey And again, we talked about it before in the last stream, but like imagine if you are If you live in a country, would you be cool about having your home shifted into another country? Like would you be cool if uh if you lived in this country? And then uh the board is like all right now you're a citizen of x country now It's like I like my old country. Yeah, but my old country was my people my family my history Yeah, like yeah, my I have you know patriotism is pretty great. Well, and I now yeah, I don't live here I don't these people. I don't know their ways their culture or their world. Well, the thing if if so was like, uh Well, you know, let's make it like a thing for both. Wales and England can be joined together They will now be called wingland It'll be like I think both sides of this one like I don't think land of wangs And it wouldn't you avoiding the stupid name. It's more so about it's just like well No, I think both the English and the Welsh like that. They are the English and the Welsh we don't It's like no, um, even if resource increased by like 1% like so there's just this A little bit small, but there's an increase. There's a I think most people probably still vote. No They'd be like, I don't want to lose all of the shit that comes with being that so it's not actually about just Like it's like the brexit thing. It's not necessarily about Well, if you give this up, you might have a little bit less money and a little bit less this and that and the other thing But there's a principle to autonomy that is very important clearly to a lot of people Um, like how much can you put a price on, you know, self-governance? Can you put a price on, you know, all that sort of stuff and for a lot of people? No Um, very complex. It's more complicated. Welsh is gibberish racism. Welsh is Welsh is gibberish But yeah, essentially if you want the idea of a one world one people I use the term soft genocide don't take that in a way, but it's like the the array it would require the erasure of peoples and cultures I think that would necessarily That is called uh, if it's one people Yeah, if it's one people right, yeah Okay, wait, so two things. I'm pretty sure it's called cultural genocide, right? Uh, is an actual like I could believe it yeah, um And to a degree it will happen and it has happened And it's something that just happens as time goes on different smaller cultures getting squeezed out And there's not much to be done. Well, not much that can be done to save them at the same time If it was one world Um, then surely there would have been a bunch of culture deaths They would have to have been and I yeah, I don't see how an entire planet can have one culture Um, how how are how do you share the culture with the people who are like Let alone on the other side of the planet, but on the other side of the continent you're on I suppose with how the geography is different and how biology is different between groups It would how do you maintain that it would dilute the meaning of the word It would be like what do we share it's like? Well, we you know we humans we breathe we drink water We enjoy conversations storytelling, right? It's like that's kind of cultural. He's like But maybe at that point we're so advanced that we could literally like move from those other sides of the earth like instantly Got portal technology or some shit. I don't know Yeah, like quantum tunneling All kinds of things maybe, you know and being In uh, one of the poles is no different really than being in the other because you can take one step And you're already like, oh, hey bill. How you doing? He's like, I'm great Am I in my anti-free suit? That means I can be in the polls. I'm not sure why I'll see be there Like he's just like it's a cool place to be Very cool Yes, and yeah, it's a it's a super hypothetical It's just funny because this is the thing We're trying to generate a scenario in the future where maybe borders get weaker or blurrier We're still having trouble justifying it and she wants to do it there and then which is insane I'm fine with the idea that one day borders will be less necessary But I never want them to go away But yeah, I imagine that it's just that there would always be subdivision of uh of of like political and and you know societal Yeah, I think groups of people will be different enough to want to distinguish themselves one from one another And even if we're talking about like a star trek Like there's no like food and all that stuff is infinite. You can just generate it. It's never an issue You still have stuff to worry about like space and property rights and things Well, yeah, because I think that uh and I also think that people demand like In in order to address the needs of of individuals There is a demand to have subdivisions of uh of of like the political offices like from federal to states to To like cities to councils Yeah In order because like how if you live in I guess that's why I like the super computer idea because what if you had a Super computer that had a bunch of different smaller super computers that are in each town And you can be like super computer. There's holes in the road and then the super computer Which is connected to the big big super computer goes all right. I'll fix that road for your body Like i'm not sure what that world looks like all right be like today where if you want a pothole fix You have to draw a dick on it or write the n-word so that the city actually starts doing something about it That's what happened in the there's a street. I live by and there was a pretty nasty pothole for a while and someone drew A big fucking cock on it And then I got patched up pretty quick Anyway brown table take it away These feel slightly unengaged with the conflict because they're not super sure what people are fighting for It makes for really weird scenes where carly and the flagsmasters just talk I'm trying to listen to you and read your words at the same time I got my brain is like it's it's difficult for me to multitask Like it is literally impossible to make a scene more boring than these I read that and then went back to listening to him because I think the subtitles in movies is the words match what people are saying Yes, there's not an incongruity. Yeah, your brain is very easily able to accept what's happening. Yeah Inns where carly and the flagsmasters just talk about their beliefs and how the world is screwing them over And how they're gonna stop it but like How Seriously, how the world isn't screwing you over you're there's a difference between so like not every unfortunate circumstance has like villains behind it Orchestrating it who are at fault for it Sometimes it's bad luck Yeah, it's like i'm of course i'm very skeptical of you know governments and things like things like that sure as we all should be uh, but There is an aspect of They're doing their best sometime in some like when there's a natural disaster Maybe sometimes it's just really fucking tough to do and they're doing what they can And it's just not going to be perfectly resolved At least if they had left it without you could speculate that they're not doing the best they can but they literally Talked to them directly and they're like we have these issues to solve mr. Falcon. Well, how would you do it? He's like Oh, no, just better insane because like even brown table just said like there's no I'm almost proud of him for saying this. He was like they don't have a plan. It's like Thank you. You noticed something in there that was in there that was a criticism of that. Good job Carly and the flagsmasters just talk about their beliefs and how the world is screwing them over and how they're gonna stop it, but like How? Seriously, how? Thankfully plans are set in motion by the final episode by the shows and the most mid thing about the show is the flagsmasters There's this overall tone to the show that i don't think i've felt in the mcu since maybe winter soldier Before that it had to be iron and i think it's because the show along with those two movies Want to portray reality in a more serious honest way So uh, so the reality so okay, so if you get that from winter soldier's plots like fucking nuts It's insane. It doesn't make any sense. There is a computer that has a nazi scientist on it I'm trying to think What is it about winter soldier? He's actually referencing it. It maybe it's like It feels a lot. Um, I want to ground it or grounded is the word that comes to mind like Uh It's easier to believe than like space portals and your stellar armies That doesn't mean it can't be any less nonsense and stupid That's kind of what i don't know if you would maybe agree with that. Maybe it'd be like it's not about comporting to reality It's about being It really helps you the way to honest about like it's trying to be more Role, maybe like the world's really like that but the winter but falcon winter soldier is not at all honest about it It's just it's insane. It's like cartoon versions of reality Like falcon is poor and can't get alone. Also. He's an avenger Rittier like he doesn't get a paycheck or something. I don't know. I feel like an avenger would be all right This is the interesting part, right? So we say that doesn't comport to the reality We've been presented prior and we give all the references and then he's like it comports to reality Because there are people who are poor they get The interesting way that we can conclude these things if we had a chance to chat with him I feel like we'd get different answers asking different questions reality in a more serious honest way Tony stark. Yeah, he was an arms dealer who propagated wars kept in america worked in a corrupt institution of the government Shield and the only way to defeat hydro was to completely destroy shield, but that was a mistake That was not that was not the only way that was absolutely not the only way Gotta destroy shield It's like it's like I don't know I feel like it if we use this analogy with like a human being in a tape worm Like well the only way to get rid of the tape worm cock shotgun, you know is I Feel like there are other ways to do it. I feel like this was one of the worst ways to do it For it to be rebuilt by the right people and now the falcon So the Problem because wait the reference was create. He's just showed is Two caps surprise A helicarrier saves the day because cap would have downed this one too if he could have back in the soldier I feel like this doesn't capture the the gravity. That's it doesn't even address the problem Shield was founded by good people. Yes, but they died off. So the same problem could happen again Absolutely. Yeah with task force or the grc or any institution, which is obviously a part of what uh, steve learns, but it seems to It's all very confusing listening to it gets summed up this way Mission of the government shield and the only way to defeat hydro was to completely destroy shield for it to be rebuilt By the right people and now the falcon and the winter soldier Isiah Bradley is one of the most important characters in the entire series despite showing up in a handful of scenes Not at all someone who was tested on by the government to ensure the continuation of the super soldier serum to create the next Steve rogers His story is so tragically told. I cried man. I wow That's so much about you and how fucking cheap your emotions aren't how easy it is to manipulate your little child brain It's it's it does come across Like all of the people who are praising the show appraising elements that have just dropped in Really willy nilly. It's like this is this be sad. You're like, I love this sad. Okay. I'm gonna cry now Isiah has lost faith in his country and in the symbol of captain america Because all he sees when he sees the shield is the pain it caused him Okay, guys. Yeah, that doesn't even You know what's interesting. Just think about that. He's like, oh, he sees the pain it caused him in the shield It's like So why would that be changed by watching falcon with it? Especially when Steve rogers was by all accounts of the people in the show like the greatest human being ever Do you know what I mean? He's like, oh that shield I hate that shield and then it's like now that's being held by falcon. That's kind of chill It's like what was wrong with steve? Fuck that steve guy. He was a whitey He's very fucking strange to me. I don't really get isiah, but I don't think he's to be gotten because he's a raccoon Yeah, he was alive for the show to preach a message about america bad. So It's an history that were erased for it a couple of the boys get captured on a mission Ah, she's like the same he did this too. It's like yeah Those are my men my brothers not evidence So I bust out of the facility one night. It's so fucking easy to manipulate these simpletons Like let's just make it up. Let's just Retroactively invent this character and he'll just be like the same storyline black and it'll be super sad And everyone will clap at us because we did the thing That worked It's clearly it worked These people you can play these people like a fiddle And I brought them boys like a damn fiddle See he brought them boys back just like cap did see yeah, we already knew that though Why are you playing the dramatic footage? That was obviously what they were going for Yeah, but it doesn't function because this is just made up like they're just added this on later on Yeah, next show we could just make up an asian with the same story Or what are you gonna cry again too? Yeah, the next episode they'll make up a trans person and then they'll tell the same fucking sob story And then you'll cry too and we just go on through every group ever pretty much um It's getting a little embarrassing right because it's just like can you guys just make stories? Why do you have to keep like because there's clearly a clone of captain america? That's like the whole idea and people are actually pulling that out. It's like oh my god. Can you see the connection? Yeah Yeah, that was on purpose. That was the whole thing. I don't see how you don't see it. That that's all it was Yeah, that's it. What else is there? That's that's all it is. He's literally stapled on as captain america but black and depressed. It's like, oh Okay And by the way, if they had had this idea from the get go probably could have been pretty cool Um, like that could have been really cool if they built it from the start There's just these hints. There's a another person and we get like little images of it and some people are maybe aware of it I don't know how it work exactly But you would want to fully integrate it and then it's only revealed now So I still think it's ridiculous that he would have been kept a full secret and that Winter soldier would have not mentioned it to anybody during Wait, why wouldn't I feel like this would just be in the hydrophiles, wouldn't it? Because he would know about it. No You will winter soldier was attacked by him. He'd be like, this is fucking super soldier from america. He's definitely not steve I think we mentioned that and so it would go into well, it's not just that he knows It would be that he would have told hydra hydra would have stored that info like why wouldn't I Why wouldn't that cover it up and then it got leaked and would people be like, wait, what? It was funny That's an avenue for them to prove that he was a real dude But sadly, it's also an avenue that people would know about it. So it doesn't It's the tightrope. They won't work. Yeah They simultaneously want to prove that he's absolutely real, but they also want it to be that you can't prove that he's real Feel like we're stuck here And what did I get for saving their lives? It's an important moment for sam because it's the question of should I be captain america the bigger question being No, that because the whole should I be captain america should you should be looking inwards to yourself as an individual? Not like should I be captain america because i'm black is like what a ridiculous fucking thing Yeah, like as if it was ever of it's so nuts It should be should I be captain america because of my personal values and my convictions and my willingness to do what's right? But oh no, i'm not the right color on the outside. Should I be captain america? Well, that's why they gave him the white outfit the count of the blackness That outfit's so goofy I mean should I even try to become the symbol steve represented a symbol that represents america's greatest values When a part of america won't accept me as the face of that symbol I mean a part of america will never do anything I was gonna say talking cry about it forever till the end of time There would have been cry about it forever. It would have been all kinds of americans being like way Walker, who's this guy and you look at his history and you go he votes republican or People do it democrat wouldn't matter that like half the country would be like i don't want that guy I don't want that guy being captain america Yeah, the idea that anybody would be fully accepted. That's not gonna happen Forget carly forget zemo forget sharen one of the things the falcon and the winter soldier is all about at the end of the day Like it or not is representation You know, it's interesting It shows me that no matter what gender or race you are you could be a shittily written character He could be a horrible person even if you black lots of representation Interesting. I'm rather young. You know just a few years ago. I was a dumb teen who thought that see there it is We do the thing where we're like a few years ago. I was dumb now. I'm not now. I'm not yeah He's like okay having to see yourself in superheroes would that's not how that works Someone but if I see fucking palpatine, I don't go. Ah a white piss There he is I see myself. You're like no, I'm so yeah I'm so sorry you have this horrific view of the world or you have to see someone with the right proper skin tone So that they're human enough for you to identify with Who cares if peter parker doesn't look like me spider-man still rules superman's this white dude, but who cares It's all about the character and they're related. Wait, is he is he setting this up to say that he was wrong Yeah, he was wrong. That's what he's done Yeah, I was about to say like I agree with this. He's doing the unironic good thing. He is. Yeah. No I'm sorry guys. We're going we're going somewhere else. This is not actually his point. I don't think Oh, no The one thing we like to agree with and he's like no, I was dumb to believe that it's all about your fucking race I'm not a racist by the way, but it's all about your fucking race. Please don't do it brown table There's struggles and all that shit you hear time and time again and then I saw spider-verse and for the first time That's the same message a latino superhero on screen Yeah by racial spider-man and the moment myles's mom spoke spanish and myles spoke spanish back I knew that I had been wrong for years. What? Oh my fucking god I heard someone speaking spanish and that destroyed my egalitarian principle Wow, what the hell this is not how it's you're not No, the spider-verse wasn't about race and it wasn't about any of that if like it was about characters and individuals This is crazy, man. If um, this is insane if there was like a new spider-man in britain And in his home scene his mom like speaks a bit of welsh to him or they have the accents I would just be like, uh, the if someone goes, well, you associate with a more now You this more of a relatable character like no like what what because they're welsh. I know associate like that they're More like me. Oh god. That feels so strange Yeah, like all I can pull from this is that it's kind of a neat novelty that's like kind of icing on the on the back story But it's not it's not like integral integral to his character God damn it man. This is the whole backwards thing we talked about before It's like an it's like an animal, right? So so you have animals out in the wild and they can only like identify and Like they'll only see their own kind as You know like their own Right, it's the super simplistic poorly evolved More animalistic and feral kind of mindset that I liked to have thunk That we've moved past and we've progressed past that and we're sophisticated and we're more understanding And egalitarian as human beings that we could see past that but it's such a fucking regression And it's it's got to be some kind of a Defect a mental defect that you you have a trouble Identifying with things that don't look the right way according to you or that don't look like you It's a is it a failure of imagination? Is it a failure of your ability to grasp things conceptually? Is is it a failure of empathy? Um, I guess it's just that's the thing is like generally I always thought that the whole strength of storytelling is the idea that through Getting you to empathize with a fictional character that it becomes more understandable about somebody's plight or somebody's Struggles or journeys and that the general thing that binds it is empathy in the human experience Which seems to be just universal For everybody kind of no matter where you're from or what your past is Not brown table. He's he is he's grown. Yeah, because that's what's happening He's grown to where things that are supposed to be irrelevant are actually very relevant Um, which is very bad. I don't like that. I have uh, I've added this for um, forget to help now as I quote I mean that's basically yeah swap a few words. Yeah, there you go All right. Well, maybe he's got more arguments on top of this. Yeah, let's see. Do I Peter Parker over Miles Morales? Hell, yeah, I love Peter Parker. He's the og. He's bae, you know But Miles is more in common with me than Peter ever will and why because you can speak a little Spanish That's so not how it works You could like it has to be beyond Whether or not they speak the same language or whether like it can't be that superficial and why would you? I Just I just don't like where it all leads. It takes us to very very negative places when you're like You know what the character means more to me if they share my skit. It's like, uh, no Well, you know, when you were if you're white and you do this with whites, you are demonized Well, yeah, I guess brown and you do it in this with other brown people. That's good. That's representation Good for you. I guess what I'm trying to because I'm gonna steal man Like when we were watching Mortal Kombat, I was really happy when Kano was around and I wonder how much of that was because he's Australian All because he's carrying the whole fucking film Yeah, but I liked him a lot. No, I know he was yeah. Yeah, but what I'm saying is like I wonder how much in my head I'm like, ah Australian he you know, like when I watched it and I guess I'm but I guess the I guess it's the whole thing Of I don't think I've ever been detracted from because somebody was not from Australia Or didn't look like me or didn't speak like me like it's never been detrimental to my ability to enjoy it And that's kind of where I'm gunning for is like we should be discouraging that Uh, despite the fact that it'll probably happen because it's just superficial connections We're like, oh neat We're probably like well, yeah And and again to bolster what rags just said if I told you any of you guys wouldn't this sound really weird if I went Yeah, you know into the spider was it was really cool and I do like miles but like I don't know man. Like I just I kind of empathize with Peter Moore because he's white Yeah, I realized that actually skin color does me. Yeah, just swap it say when I was a dumb teen I used to think everyone was really cool in a hero based on their character Yeah, but now I saw Peter Parker and I just I identified with his whiteness And now I realized I use I was wrong and now race really is that important Yeah, I feel like Well, he was speaking. Oh, I'm sorry My point was just that I would be upset if you guys didn't find that shocking that I'd said it Like hey Unreal oh well, that's where we're at I suppose That's and now seeing Pedro Pascal the Latino and the Mandalorian Why would you okay? Why would you go to oh my god if a Welsh actor had played the character of Mando the exact same way I'd have been like fuck's sake I would you should feel insulted. Yes, it should be the opposite experience You should be like why couldn't it have been a good fucking character for a Welsh person to play Latino it's doubly weird because he's like an armor 99 of the time Okay, there's there's not even there's not even an earth in Star Wars. I don't get it He actually made it worse because now we're talking about somebody with no fucking character And he's like this is awesome just because he looks like me damn it dude. You get this all wrong The whole shtick with Mando is the same as with master chief faceless dude. He could be anyone. It doesn't really matter Like does this apply to villains How does he how does he do villains then? I have no fucking clue. I wonder if it like if you see a Welsh villain, I am supposed to be like yay More Welsh villains because that's more represent. I have no idea. I just never some Welsh supremacists He's gonna restore the new world order everyone mandatory Welsh language Mandatory worse everybody every time they they salute him. They need to say the name of that town with the 20 syllables See we're generating a pretty like remember the alamo, but remember that place Yeah, like the characters get bored of them waiting for it to end so just walk off You can just hear it getting quieter in the background as they finish it off You can make a lot of good jokes out of this actually I like it the character that I identify most with an end of the spider verse is fucking spider pig because I'm in Like a cartoon world when I watch these videos it's well, it's funny you say that because like Uh He's a pig and he's a cartoon And it's just like he can be one of the most easy ones to empathize with just because of the attitude and the character, right? Because that's what it's supposed to be about the critical part Who you are not what you are. You couldn't have chosen a worse example It's a fucking bucket of a character. There is nothing in there and he's just like blank But he looks the the way I like him to look you like, oh Oh, man, that's it sounds really bad sound so bad. Yeah. Yeah He looks the right way and I like oh that's what they're saying though Yeah, when you boil it down because Mando is nothing as a character. He is a plank with a helmet on Imagine we like use the loo. I'll be right back imagine. He was played by a fucking white guy Are we at the end of our analysis were like at least he was white? Oh Yeah, it's a big yikes. It's all yikes I'm seeing the trailer this asian dude kicking ass and mark raisin another asian character being the main hero hero of this anime It was weird when people say this like there have been asian what Have you not watched any like jackie? Uh, there are more now though and that's good I feel like there's probably a similar I Man, I I guess I can't relate because like I never when I was I don't know I watched a lot of movies from the 80s and 90s and that seemed to be the era where like We actually had all everybody teaming up and working together and being buds. Yeah You know like the era of lethal weapon Uh die hard Beverly Hills caught Wait, did you call this from amazon? Um, maybe no because prime that's a trailer that that is a uh So he must have Because I know so again, this is very this is very much the same problem that happens when you're Unfortunately, I think it applies to everybody in the uh in the anglo sphere, but especially in america this idea It's like oh, there's america and then like all of the content that's not from america just evaporates because Let me tell you there are a lot of chinese tv shows and movies And there are a lot of chinese actors in those projects Similarly, there's a lot of indian actors and indian films and tv shows Like the content is out there where These people exist, but like you don't look at it. You don't watch it Yeah Made it series invincible I'm just so happy that I get to see characters that reflect my roots on the big screen And it's important for black kids to be able to see a story about a man that looks like them Deciding to become the symbol of america. The story isn't The important part was the Your skin killer will not stop you from doing whatever you want to do Don't let people like ever convince you that that's the case Now it's like we'll round table convince you that you need That up until this film if you were if you weren't white that you could be captain america it's You could argue that iron man three did more because iron man three didn't make a huge deal out of a black guy Being america's superhero. It was just like, you know what that could just happen because it could just happen Yep Heming steve ross by the way sam idolizes steve It's the symbol steve wears that certain people have issues with and they all have legitimate reasons for hating it Seeing the symbol is false hope sam in the end decides to wear it and give people hope again And to become captain america was so simple, isn't it? America he has to train and to do so They do a montage scene and oh my god. I've been missing montage scenes, dude It was a it was a joke in like the early 2000s so To be critical of the montage scene would just be it made no sense and then unlike a subjective level. Holy fuck Was it goofy? Always fade out in a montage He needs to learn to be able to throw the shield that he can already throw perfectly He needs to be able to run run. It's not like he's ever needed to be athletic and really fit for his job as falcon Yeah Confused now He's talking about how awesome the montage was Oh the montage is a fucking joke. So is brown table. Um, I was while I was in the bathroom taking a shit I was thinking about brown table and so I was I was thinking all right. He's he does interstellar space marine commenced go Sushi happy happy or whatever. It's fucking called his shitty anime Why is is he gonna have representation in that? Because I don't remember seeing a brown person Well, I'll tell you what man. If there's no white people. I certainly won't be happy I'll be like, you know what and if there's no long people. Oh, I'm right in a letter Right now really boy Really long straight to the top That'll be long people So much Thank you One of the greatest things about the finale is that while cool and fight heavy the climax is the death of a teenager And sam arguing with those in positions of power to give more power I'm way older than that. She's like mid 20s late 20s. We have mid late 20s I think sam calls her a teenager, but I always assumed she was an adult like yeah, there's no way she's a teenager. She's not a teenager Apparently she's 19 Oh, really? So she's an adult or the character really that's the important character apparently So she's an adult Yeah, so she's an adult. So definitely 19 is like the it's like, no, I guess you're a teenager. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I wonder when they brutally killed plenty of 16 year olds So I don't yeah, that's true Um So yeah, I guess he's referring to her as a teenager instead of terrorist because you know Sounds doesn't like labels. Well, again, it undermines the fact that she burnt three people to death Yeah, you know hydra is kind of a label. They had a point Oh, you guys weren't silent about that. What the fuck hydra had a point no silent silent silent agreement Yeah, silence is good for second there. I thought you guys like had some issue with hydra or something It's like well, no, they're great. And I really identified with hydra. Maybe they're methods, you know, a little unusual However, I didn't go far enough Or to the people to stop treating refugees human beings like sheep and to give the common They don't do that. They're trying to they're desperately trying to figure out how best to deal with this horrible situation Yeah, and in her group isn't getting as much as she thinks they should get even though not not gonna lie They look like they're doing all right She's with no homes. I'm like, yeah, like imagine like think of how things are in africa well, um food Water shelter, right? But they don't that that person died, right from whatever illness So it's like, oh, you don't have the kind of health care that could solve any problem I guess it's like well That is unfortunate But you guys are definitely on the up and up like you're in a good scale Area you're high on the rungs. You shouldn't really and it's like no We need to blow people up like oh, don't no don't do that because uh There's so when you blow people up, uh, you hurt them We need to you know sit collie down and then people hate you and then they'll hate us Well, it's just you know that and they'll think that we're insane and crazy And they won't want to give us food and stuff that they could give Well, you're all you're stealing the the sixth month supply which could have been for fucking anything And now you're just gonna eat I picture they do the thing like that happens in like Survival movies where like a fat character eats everything or something like they just eat all of it It's like oh, but that that's not oh, no you child You don't understand what it means to ration There's so much to it and uh, yeah Sheep that's how they were treating them was as sheep. You don't even fucking know what the gsc were doing They asked for the most basic question to falcon. He was like stunned Person people like you and me more of a say in political decisions. No, what? No, he just tells them to do better He it's almost worse than that because what did he just say brown table? I said it gives he said it gives me like normal people like us a chance to like affect politics You do have a chance. It's called voting and getting out there and getting involved in politics Yeah, it's guess what this the more local that you vote in the more weight your vote has Yeah, actually, but it's so stupid because like falcon highlights like so people from group a and then group b B's having some trouble. It's like well a's having trouble and he's like well do better Okay, well we'll get it right on that because that's what we've been doing this whole fucking time you moron You just interrupted it to tell us we need to do it. It's like thanks. Good job Get nothing to what a fucking like horrible thing to imply as well We need to add to the political discourse. How do better Thank you citizen. Thank you so brown table needs to vote on this It's just what even like Again, I just feel more and more bad for the glc. Like i'm sorry glc. These people are stupid You need to speak to someone else Speak to zemo. He might have some good ideas Yeah, zemo probably unironically probably has some really good pragmatic ideas Like the fear that you know, how do we deal with people who are like Reapperate in houses that no longer belong to them And he like immediately in a couple of sentences explains like a really good way to try and mediate that other just like Wow Just wow Yeah, the falcon's like see that's what I meant do better Whether you like the scene or not is up to you But that is what the scene is trying to say the moment felt like the writers genuinely were half making the speech fit the scene And half making the speech reflect what's going on in the world today But oh no Oh no This is a surprise. I don't know what he's gonna say. I'm so confused. I I'm I'm wow Here we are ladies and gentlemen Um So on what he just said I like I like the idea that he's like the writers are fighting with two sort of ideas at once in this speech It's like all they managed to get us was just dribble. It was like It's just you better And it looks do stuff remember that the visually used look like a whole bunch of adults with like big felt pens on a big White piece of paper all at once. This is like that is how I picture they decide this fucking script My idea no my idea smiley face It's like the wonder woman 1984 ending speech, but it wasn't full of platitudes this time. Yes, it was It was the ultimate platitude. He's like literally just do better. That is the quintessential example Do better do but it's empty. There's nothing in it Would you say this you fool? It's like what do I like literally clean your room is better and more helpful 1184 is retarded, but it had a point to make which was don't wish for like reality the truth That's the good stuff. Don't try to wish it away, which considering the narrative is Wow, but that's more than saying do better Yeah, come on. I can't do anything with do better If I tell that to 10 people I'll get 10 different results Yeah, what do you think Hitler has an idea of a do better? It's like do better. I'll do better. Yes more concentration camps More Nazi stuff more armbands put some pieces of paper more Nazi stuff go More Nazi stuff. Yes more posters More shoes more shimmer camps for the little ones It's a legitimate call for those in power to do something a legitimate and it's a wake-up call To do something The fucking point It's so baffling sometimes because a lot of like normie people will just be like, you know those those in like washington They don't do anything. They just sit in the desk. They do nothing Enough of that. Let's stop voting for them. It's time for the winter soldiers show to tell people in washington to do more Like what are you talking about? Look, all right, george collins quote You got selfish ignorant like citizens. You get selfish ignorant leaders. All right starts with you Yep, so that's so blaming everybody else don beverage. No, they have not heard of don beverage Don beverage would give them all kinds of different plans and and strategies Genuinely, I could learn something from I've learned something from don beverage You aren't gonna learn anything from fucking captain falcon Imagine the show for the first half sets up that the government aren't doing enough the government of shit And without they need to reallocate whatever resource they need to do better And then in the latter half There's basically like a message about how if you're so invested in things being better Actually vote for shit and then they actually do like the at the mid level and then at the like smallest levels They actually like make a message about how you need to act more you need to actually be interested in politics If you're so invested Well, that was pericles quote right if you don't Take an interest in politics it will take oh just because you don't take an interest in it doesn't mean it won't take an interest in you It's like yeah, it's kind of Relevant it's just being engaged We live in a world where they actually have the message be do better And that's like the worst idea I could come up with for a show that's about politics In any way shape or form. Well, because it's stupid. It's fucking my answer to come up with Well, yeah, you might be like, well, wouldn't it be worse if you advocated like everyone to die or something? And I'd be like, okay, so within reason if I was to give good advice Politically the lowest form of it. I could imagine is do better. It's it's a meme answer Yeah, well, yeah, it doesn't help me. It's already a meme for us It's do better people have been in chat and meme and that shit since the show came out I have a feeling it's gonna keep around for a little while. Yeah, it's do better People don't purposefully do a shit job Like for the most part and if they did what would do better change They'd be like, no, I don't care what you think. Nah, I want to do badly I want to do worse spoke the world Average person realize that their lives are being affected by these types of people in positions of power Well, the average people learning that the government affects them. Wow. Oh, yeah, the average person is like government. What's that? It doesn't affect me it affects also I I do appreciate that message because obviously before I was just like who controls stuff And you guys told me it was Santa Yeah I'm pretty sure it's the government The show portraying a heightened reality and I think that's what's so cool reality And again, you can dislike how the show's messages are delivered. That's totally fine. I personally appreciate the lack of How is that? Yeah, that's that's it. That's the show is how a message is delivered Yeah, that's what that's what a story is. It's an account of a series of events. It makes me wonder that It makes me wonder if I had like a movie where it's just horrible horrible violence to everyone ever just chopping people into bits Constantly maniacal laughing and then at the end I have a character shoot the guy who did it and go violence is bad Yeah, well, you know the message Funnily enough by the way violence is bad as the what was who was the person who agreed with that was a high top Was it chafferless? I can't remember. I'm sure all three of these people would have said yes I don't know. They're both dumb. I think it's chafferless. And so sure though Uh, they might be like you have to ignore the message is delivery. You need to focus or like it doesn't matter I think the the message was clear violence is bad Subtlety and the directness of the message and I think that's what makes it more effective It pulls no punches and it feels like a captain america speech to me No, it doesn't it's fucking awful I can agree that it didn't pull any punches in the message that it delivered, which was just a gobbled childish mess This is a yes, you did really hold back You really revealed how stupid you are with with your writing. I'll give you that I will say my only problem is that sam's like Nah, carly isn't a terrorist and it's like I get what they're trying to do They're trying to comment on how long brown table come through for me. Please. Come on. You can do it Your video shit even if you nailed this but like come on you could do it You can take the crown even your even your naive child brain can understand this You shouldn't immediately label groups of people and just brush them off But she kind of broke into a government building and kidnapped people and was willing to kill them And also did kill them. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I'm gonna say it base brown table Wow, just one moment. You're able to do it. You're able to recognize what a murderer is Congratulations I Patten you on the head right now. Good. Yeah. I hope you didn't just read that somewhere and then Realized it. I hope that you got that on your first viewing. I'm hoping He took things that happened and he correctly categorized them Congratulations, you have become the king of video s Yeah, you noticed the thing Oh my god, I'm so thoroughly impressed with you brown table. You did it. Wow. I'm sure you you lost a few subscribers But it was worth it It was worth it to identify a murderer Up a building injuring 11 people and killing three I don't know It felt like such a weird thing to say and it would have been so easily avoided if they just made carly not Kill people. But hey, maybe I'm wrong. I honestly agree with him I don't know why they did this when they wanted us to like feel for this team I was like I was lost in them the second they fucking incinerated people Feels like they had two riders who were just like fighting each other Star Wars style. It's like two conflicting ideas that they were going for You know, the fact that he could see it means that there's hope for the others one day Maybe this hope You know brown table could be the seed that plants and the others and maybe one day they will understand Yeah, carly wasn't a good person You got you're right. I can see it now Wrong and I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm on youtube after all. Oh, he said maybe I'm wrong damn YouTube after all, I mean if you guys want to devalue your work because of you just happened to be on YouTube is the fact that it's a 15 year old platform that is like the biggest platform for videos in the world He just talked about how all the people in like power need to do more Clearly like they're not doing what they should be and then simultaneously is like well, I'm just on youtube So what would I know implying that like you'd need a qualification or some kind of standing to prove that you should be able to talk about any of this You don't need I thought I thought the people that he was just talking about that would be qualified to talk about this a wrong You know, like it feels You don't need to be qualified to have a perspective on like the way that you think the world ought to be to a certain extent Yeah, you just hope that it's more than do better Yeah, basically like that you could have some ideas In my opinion series can be a little messy and the finale is a little bit sloppy, but why did he show zima when he said a little bit messy? Hmm I guess Oh, you never know what you're gonna get, you know Like it wasn't high top that said like zima was irrelevant. Oh, was that brown table? Fuck my brain's getting melting I think that was that he was irrelevant You sure I thought it was high top. Uh, that was high. Oh, sorry high top. Yeah, high top. I'd mix them. Yeah, they do blend together They really do Well, it's all a blend. This is the experience of watching fucking movie reviews online for so long I was like, I can't this was me like in 2016. I guess I was just like why do every video ass they suck It's like it's all done the same way. They don't pay any attention to the movies Oh Ultimately everything pulled together and the emotional climaxes of everyone's arcs makes it such a great watch There were cheesy scenes that felt ramiasque, which made me feel Excited to watch a superhero on screen again. If you didn't realize this is what's on the thumbnail of the video It is a masterpiece. James. Complete Comprehensive and yeah, I put that in for the meme. I don't really think the show is a masterpiece in classical Oh You mislead people Oh, okay Lying is kind of memes, right? It's just it's so funny to me. It's like I said it was complete and comprehensive. It's not All right, then Away like john walker is now u.s. Agent and his journey was really weird. His redemption was way too quick in my opinion And you all say this Like the one thing they got right, okay, let them have it bro. They'll let them have it It it's funny to me because uh If someone said like I should have killed carly Uh instead of saving the people I'd be like, what is your reasoning? And if it doesn't simply include he was desperate to avenge lemar for all the stuff to do with his family and all that If they instead said well because he's evil. I'd be like, oh my god Oh So out of this car. Oh, yeah from that scene where he's uh, you they'll Oh evil Yeah, by the way, his care was progressing. He wouldn't have saved the bus full of people. What what what do you mean? He's only shown doing the right thing. He's always saved the protagonists. Why is everyone so weird a walker? I don't get it. Why what what show are people watching? Hey attention to the references. I swear to god, it'll help you understand the events the fucking thing It's like, you know with the way walker was built. I assumed he would have just gone to kill cut We were all like he should save them and if he doesn't oh god, please He should save them that he did we were like, oh It was never evil Stop saying it But that's just me thing is this show is one of the few mcu productions that has truly impacted me One that made me feel made me think made me cry. I've always been critical of the mcu Well, what are you gonna do? You for robbing creators of their distinct voice, but it does seem like they're getting much better at it And with how face forest maybe they should keep doing it. Maybe they should rob everyone's fucking voices We don't end up with crazy psychopath superheroes please Guy you're making a great argument for the studio I think by the end of this year god damn it'll be clear Dude the the idea as well as someone like in this call was just like oh so cool wand division and falcon the way to soldiers They're both clearly examples of no studio interference. I'd be like you're insane. You're absolutely insane Like you can tell how much was bad data in them. You can tell how like formulaic loads of it is you're insane There's going and how low key is looking I don't know how to feel about disney anymore captain america 4 has been announced sam wilson is now captain america and that's dope I'm excited for the well. He's a fucking york side of an absolution. Wow. How can you excited? We're on different trajectories about actual quality because it's bad at his job because he's a naive idiot We are on different trajectories. We are I have never had this. This is the old time low currently for novel Even phase two got me this low. No, I wouldn't you say it's comparable. It's fucking It's night and day like my worries back then Like the most of it was like it wasn't an assassination of tony and iron man three It was just like how the film treats him. I guess there's a combo up and there's really really shit writing but Like this is different It's like if iron man three had him just slaughtering children and he was like, well, you know what they were part of the government Like I got a fight the government just some weird story line where they tried to justify something horrible happening. It's so Such a different beast at this point because I go How can the way to soldier in one division was shocking like in terms of I never would have expected this bad Yeah, and black widow will be coming out soon. We'll see about that and then the other movies are coming out I got Well, uh I was about to say well, that's the thing in response. What for you said not a response Spina mad at guardians are uh, maybe doctor Doctor strange is awkward because I like doctor strange, but it's all the magic stuff He's broken from the get-go. It's really hard to do doctor strange Um, but you know, we'll give it a shot, of course But yeah, uh, those those would be the selection where we go in like brace yourselves Which is really bad by the way because that means the rest of them. We've already basically like gone. Well, they're they're done Thought yeah, love and thundery all of them in a sense. They're all a big gamble, but there's like different odds I would just say from well, yeah, I mean the odds for ant men and the wasps quantamania are not exactly high I wonder if we'll just it'll be another it'll be like the complete trilogy of movies. We can't really remember that much They're just sort of there The Eternals who cares about the Eternals They've been around all the time. They were always there Hopefully is good You guys gonna do an e-fap coverage of all the mcu. I just want your take on i-man 3 with the soldiers Well, give give us some time We still gotta finish the dcu arc and I say what I say finish I've been Push it a little bit further forward probably before we would jump into the mcu Because that's not gonna be over anytime soon. Same with the mcu actually You know once again Wait, sorry, hold on the Eternals might get cancelled. Are you serious that's The thing's been shot. It's no no, no, there's no way I think you said before that you think baseball will get cancelled Dude, this makes so much money. Like the mcu is like set forever At least for like the next 10 years. I don't know. Yeah, and these shows have been thoroughly successful, right? Yeah, this I'm pretty sure this show like is the most successful show like Basically, it's more successful than Mando and I remember Mando being like incredibly successful Marvel on a huge decline qualitatively maybe but like financially No, no way people don't give a shit about quality. Isn't it's peak in terms of popularity. They're on top of the world This is like part of the frustration. They can do whatever they want and they choose to make the sludge not fair Well, you're wrong. The Eternals isn't cancelled Like I remember reading an article that said the film was basically done That film was shot over a year ago. Like all these films are definitely coming out. They aren't canceling anything Why would they it's all going to make them money. They're never going to lose money At least not for like the next five or so years. I wouldn't imagine Like I don't think they can fail anymore. I think Ant-Man kind of proved that they can't fail Yeah, and and if they've shot it, I seriously doubt they wouldn't bring it out That'll be weird Dude, like imagine investing like a hundred million dollars into the film already and just being like, ah, nah You know for no reason let's not release it And I hope marvel keeps going forward with this type of story No, uh, this is why it's gonna Buy it in the cell range of convention shirts. Yeah I don't know about you guys. I am not a fan of um like a column image Uh, you know, it's you know, like I just I prefer a flat sort of rectangle if you're gonna have something like that I'm not actually a huge fan of just um Corners when you have artwork on a t-shirt as well I don't like corners on artwork. I think the artwork should be against a transparent generally. I've always felt they looked a little Yeah Well, I don't feel well that was it. You that was really not good at all. But what was that was really bad? Yeah, look, I got some bad news for everybody. I don't think we're gonna be able to do cosmonauts video. I'm sorry No way No, I am we're uh, I'm too beat. We're at nine hours and 30 minutes Oh, jeez. Oh my god, and you're like, oh, there's only three of us. It'll be better Like it's hard to get through it all quickly Well these that's the thing we always to be fair. We our goal was four. We did three. That's pretty good I'm too bad for it. Yeah. Yeah, I would be satisfied if we got through two and And uh, yeah, three and four is pretty good. You bastards. The eye like three hours is Definitely more than enough for an e-fab and we've done triple. All right Triple. Yeah Yeah, that was how I'll do it and or give me more suffering. It's been nine and a half It just scroll it back. You can suffer on your own. You don't need us for that You can suffer in solace. Groundtable has a whole youtube channel that you can suggest yourself to I'll do it all the time But the hate flow through you do it well The only thing I feel bad about is that I don't know that we're going to be able to bust the energy to do any superchats Which means we might have to do Um An e-fap of superchats That might have to just be the solution at this point because the too many is stacking up And it's really impossible right now to find times where both me and rags are free To do the streams because we've got so many other things going on um, of course making like the saturdays free, but that might be a The way I position it because I do not want even more to uh Be missed it's getting unacceptable Though I managed to you know what the other thing about that gothic phone game It is perfect for being able to get through superchats as well Because in the times between you can just uh roll them out and talk while everybody's having a nice little drawing session Really good. That's right So hopefully more of that, you know, and maybe we'll do a bit of catching up in them as well. Who knows um, but yeah, I'm assuming you guys are kind of uh Kind of kind of low on the energons How you doing right now? Yeah, I'm getting pretty um, yeah, hungry too. So Alrighty, um, of course the the superchats will be saved. I'm gonna Put us on enlisted for a sec so they can stop right? I don't I don't know because I Fucking frustrating. I can't catch up with them, but we will It'll happen. I swear to jesus and the other denominations of different religions All of them afraid of them all that's like maximum power, right? That's gonna happen maximum. Yeah, I guess all right. Um So yes, uh Since we're at the end Pose it is time If I've chat I've lied to you What what Uh at the beginning of this I said there's three of us because it would make more sense to be able to get through multiple videos That's not the reason at all I'm just gonna wait for them to react because they have no idea what's happening. You're so confused. Oh, what what do you mean? What do you mean? I mean What are you referring to the fuck sound was that? Is that a breathing? Yeah, I was It was like a You know like a Like a I was just gasping for air. Why did you lie to me? Because I'm just I've swamped and I'm drowning in bad takes Well, yeah, so, uh, I think I'm honestly kind of impressed. We got through the three so thoroughly, but It's definitely proven that the commentary on falcon the winter soldier is incredibly lacking like holy shit I don't know how many people out there who have reviewed it that are basically like Unrecognizable compared to the three that we just saw. Oh, yeah, that's probably a worthwhile question Which one do you think was the worst out of the three guys? Of the videos, uh Probably I really didn't like that first one Yeah, the first one or maybe brown table because of his weird fucking racist attitude I might forgive that for the fact that he was willing to call a terrorist. I really think that gives him a plus Uh, yeah Yeah, I guess yeah, the first one is probably the worst, I guess I think the first was probably probably because of its its laziness In terms of its script and its visuals a lot harder. Well a lot harder Well, they did they did try a lot harder They had some relevant visuals and he he like High top he turned on his blue light and he shook the camera at himself That was like that took some level of effort, but that first guy was just a lazy loser Like everything was blurry and out of focus And his points were shitty and he just clearly didn't hear it a third of his video was an ad Uh high top and brown tables production value is way better than chivalrous's ones way better. Yeah And um as much as you know, like all that stupid shit the high top was doing with his face Like at least it took effort to do that. Yeah, at least he's going for let's see high top is he is attempting to have like a style His video was an attempted style Yeah, he he was turning his head around. That was really hard Yeah, I guess we're all right. There you go. We've concluded that that was a really important thing That I need to make sure we got done You know, I knew people really wanted to know which one of those we thought was the worst Cosmo was probably the worst out of the four for all I know Who knows what he argued maybe we spared him and ourselves Yes, that really means the next time we have a choice of selection is probably going to be him now because he's been He's further down, you know So yeah, it's back on topic. I lied to you all reveal your truth. Oh, why did you lie? So, um, it wasn't about like having less people to make sure that we could get through more videos Even though I think that was probably true Like I imagine if we had another four people here that we wouldn't have gone through three videos I don't know what was happening So that was like a bonus But the true reason The absolute truth Someone's already guessed it in chat by the way. I think it's pretty clear What I'm leading toward I'm only delaying it now to make it more Anticipation and stress, you know Like I want someone to be like wait, is this the last episode of EFAP like well guys, you know It had to be some time You know in regard to the thing i'm revealing it had to be some time Yeah, I mean I I suppose there's no other way to say it. Um EFAP has three hosts once again Oh my goodness. Who's the third? Uh to be revealed Oh tune in next week All right. Oh man. I reveal right now. Who is the third? Who is the third EFAP host? It's uh, well, you could call it a proof of concept But I think it was already pretty clear that it was always got to work This was 10 hours of just listening to us three talk about shit Yeah, I think it it went pretty well. Hopefully you guys had entertaining flim flams about it all But yeah, so it's metal Yay, we wish you could be here today, but uh Um metal wasn't latino enough unfortunately to be a host Such a shame. He didn't speak any uh almost said latin there for a second. He didn't speak any spanish Because that's what latino speak is latin because we all know Could you imagine that would be fucking crazy? What does that mean going forward it means that fringy will be in every mainline episode pretty much Um, there's probably going to be exceptions here and there like there could be Theoretically with rags if if some catastrophe were to happen could be an emu war that breaks out Yes, you know, I would like spider invasion or I would like to promise that he would be in all minis movies and gaming But that would be ridiculous because of course, uh, not I don't think rags manage to make it to all the gaming ones He can't worry. He does where he can Uh, and there's loads of movies recorded that haven't been edited yet that fringy's not actually in Yeah, not to mention there's an arc currently happening that fringy's not in and it's literally seven people already. So it's it's already stuffed It also means That yeah, he'll he'll just be in as much of efap as basically could be going forward I'm pretty sure he's been in the last like However, many episodes like six now or something several. I'm pretty sure It's been in a whole bunch of them. Oh my god the diversity hire so true Hey, all right, look, I need someone to work. All right, like john walk Yeah, we needed someone green we have Oh, are you red or black white to fill there? Hmm Are you red or black? What's your oh? Well, I guess you know, you could say that fringy's like kind of a green and blue You're kind of an orange and black to a degree and I'm random black, right? Yeah, like an orange brown or yeah, like a beige ish. I've got the beige beige I feel like I've got so much red and black that I couldn't choose between them. Yeah, I think you're it that that's why I'd ask I just didn't know yeah, you wouldn't want to you wouldn't want to assume that would be very rude Then we got the green brown like a tree. It's like a tree. Yeah, it's kind of like a tree. Yeah Honestly, the colors of our avatars really do complement each other actually Yeah, pretty good Not like it's not like a crying pepper or something. That would be fucking terrible. I imagine Awful, that would be it. Could you imagine? Yeah crying all the time terrifying um Yeah, obviously you won't be able to be in everything Mr. Mr. Fringy And I think we're still gonna stick with the only people I will promise will be there for super chat readings Would be myself and rags. It's gonna be really hard to ensure I don't think we'll ever catch up if we have to do whenever the three of us are free That that's yeah, that's really reduces the windows. Wow guys. It's worthwhile for the viewers to consider This is like the three major time zones that they are It's kind of insane It is one world one people. Yeah, there we go. Fuck borders. Oh, yeah, it's true EFAT the real world piece Yeah, we got it's like Like the doggo the froggo and the long go Doggo and best I could do your Welsh. So you're the wago. Yeah, well, that's probably a sliver That's probably yeah, it might be the Welsh sliver the wago Um Yeah, I just uh It'll mean like that There's just this would be the core for EFAT going forward It kind of already mostly kind of was in the last x amount of time And it's not that we could have just gone on forever not making it official But like why not I guess and the only thing to change would just be artwork, which I'll get sorted over time It's not going to be an instant thing. So I gotta get a little flim flam sort out But yeah, no, what's actually happening is I've got a whip and I'm digitally doing it Like put me in the front of the center. All right So he's got a whip But yeah, uh for anybody who's concerned about anything Nothing's really changing because ring was already here for most of you'll be you'll be just more Yeah, more of someone but other than that. I think it's going to be pretty much the same We're gonna have to embrace Australian values I was gonna say you can't even like say it would be an era change because just like I mean He was here in the what was the first one for you was a EFAT three or five? I think it was the rhino milk one. I think that was three Yeah, yeah, uh, wait. No, it's five. It was five. You're right. Yeah He's been here for a while It's been around for a while Yeah, that's that's like over two years ago. Jeez That's about it. And it I've seen plenty of discussions about like how Why not sort of stuff and uh, I believe Fringy was voted the best guest for the previous year So, you know that that's just that's the people having their will done. What can I say? It's it's like it's a constant EFAP as a demarc sorry constitutional republic. You got me there But you brought this upon yourselves anyone who complains that's right um Now in terms of what's planned going forward I think we might try and find a slot to record a meme fap and that would go up on saturday Otherwise, we really might have to do an EFAP that is just us reading the superchats. We've got leftover And it would get a bunch. Yeah, it wouldn't be finished in 10 hours We would probably just have to I'll probably play through like the all three of my favorite dolphin games I'll be the and I'll be the episode. It's just because uh, we're really Um, we're in a tough spot for because this is a thing there's been so much to talk about And it's not even we have this problem where we're like we're talking about the content and then we cover people's coverage And so it's like two weeks worth But they're also look at the size of these episodes because this we usually hit these markers when we're actually covering all of the superchats as well It's it's a little bit Videos on youtube have been so bad lately. Yeah So much to say it's just so shitty and wrong And you might have thought well, you guys have got like a whole month before Loki starts up, right? So that's plenty of time. It's like we got residency late. That's coming right out It's only even a few days now, right? It's like a few days away. Yeah So you're gonna see me stream that metal stream that presumably freaky might stream it. I don't know Uh, maybe now that now the time for two of the other I've heard that it's like actually Got players on that might be my thing for the next couple of weeks um And then yeah metal so uh rags I would assume is going to play it too. Good old rezy eight And yeah, I'm curious to see if it's any good. So we'll see Yeah, and so we're not going to do the eFap the day after it comes out That's not enough time for like any reasonable person to have completed it or thought on it So it'll be the week after and we'll try and have some guests and that'll be the residency late eFap Between that and that there'll be some eFap movies eFap gaming. We've got minis. I think there's a bat woman on its way um And uh, and I'm working on videos as I believe are you two? Harmony yes There's the yeah end game video and other stuff too. The free comic is getting there. We're getting soon So plenty of things along the way and I'm sure that the mcu the dceu and other releases will keep us more than busy We still got to do Godzilla mobile combat is on its way as well Oh boy So many things. He's only to watch the bat woman episodes all very nuts um But yeah, thank you all for hanging out with us. That was a pretty long man. You know, yes, so many terrible videos to watch Uh Thank you very much for the for the donations as well. We really I've got them all in a big weird file Every single time there's more. I add them all in it's gonna be a big old list That we read right through at some point with simpson sitting around the background more than likely Well, we will get her done. Oh, yeah Um, yeah, you guys want to say anything before we head out? Ah No, I think that about covers it. I think that sort of wraps it all up in a neat little bow Briny, what do you have to say about being an efat person now now not before? No I I'm not really sure what I I'm supposed to say actually because I want rags to say this, but it's too like it would be We infirm to have said it, but I didn't want to be the one to say because it's like it's like I'm like, oh, you're a new host and then rags should be like molly You should realize what it means to give efap host to a black man You're like, I'll do the best I can but the next episode of efap is like more than nobody's doing Fucking doesn't know what it means. Well, will the efap crew accept fringy? Will the efap people who knows it's funny because someone's like, oh say something base. See that's the problem There's there's almost an expectation that I've got something really clever and witty to say here But like I don't know what I meant to say it's it's neat. I'm uh, it's it's it's gonna be cool. Hopefully I I guess it's it's yeah, it's because it's interesting because obviously the the dynamic for uh For a long time. It's just been moller and and rags so And of course then before that with wolf as well. So this is kind of like difference, but I'm hopefully Hopefully all you fellers uh, it's gonna be on board uh because Well, yeah, I'm not even sure The emojis they got like the happy frog the happy dog or that a skull for me It's like yeah Say the ad word It's probably not the but I mean I guess it depends. I mean no word if you mean no Now efap copyright. This isn't a no day. This is a yes day Yo This is kind of yo. Yo Pirates life for me But yes, welcome fringy to the efap family that you are already kind of mostly in any way It's like Yeah Um, hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Like I said, it was just you had the three of us for 10 hours Uh, hopefully you had some fun there more efap is on the way Everything will all be lined up and taken care of we had a good goodness Just that I think it's time for us to have food slash sleep slash walk around Um, yeah, I'm beat. Alrighty. Good night all. Thank you so much. I'm gonna catch you next time