 As always, it is a pleasure being with you each and every Monday morning. You just in time for the next conversation of the day and today is all about youth and politics. My name is Ram Aguqo. If at all you are just joining us, this is why in the morning. Thank you very much for keeping it Y254. We are coming to you live from our broadcasting house here in Nairobi, Kenya. We are also live on our website www.kbc.co.ke. First class Y254. Ensure that engage with us on our social media platforms. The hashtag is Y in the morning at Ram Aguqo at Y254 channel. So you can find us and ensure that you also head over to Facebook and open your comments there on Facebook and on Twitter. Remember, this is a conversation that comes just in time in regards to politics. We shall take a look at what has been trending in the past one week. What has been taking center stage in the political arena and exactly what should we be looking out for moving forward. Joining me in the studio, I'm joined by one Janet Rutukum. She is the national chair at the Jubilee Young Women Caucus. Can you say it, Janet? Yes, thank you. Or I say, Janet. And thank you for having me today. You're welcome. You're welcome. Yes, yes, yes, very well. How can we find you on social media because we are with the big person here. Janet Mungi Rutukum. Janet Mungi Rutukum. Yes. On every social media platform. Yes, I'm only active on Facebook. My Instagram and my Twitter is not very, very active. Okay. So yeah, we try and shape conversation on that other in the social media. Yes. Facebook is, I'm also quite interesting, the active on Facebook more than... Oh, they are the social media. Yeah, yeah, more than Instagram. I'm not good at taking selfies, I find it weird. Oh well, yeah. As a man. But thank you so much, thanks for coming. I want us to have this conversation and we will kick start with the women caucus for Jubilee. Yes. We'd like to find out what it's all about because it's not something that I've been hearing for long as an individual. Maybe you have heard about it for long. If you have bringing your questions in regards to the women caucus of Jubilee, what is their position, their role, their stand, are they effective? What is it that we should be looking out for when it comes to women in leadership? So let's kick start from there. What is the women caucus all about in Jubilee? For starters, Jubilee is a party that has been in existence since 2016. You remember when all the parties that were that merged that came to form Jubilee. In the Jubilee constitution, there is a youth league and there is a women league. So the young women caucus falls under the women league in the Jubilee constitution. There has been this conversation, I don't know Jubilee me kufa, I don't know what Jubilee has done. And you know as women, we have a lot that we can give to this country because world over their countries where revolutions have been brought about by women and even young and more so young women. So what we intend to do as Jubilee young women caucus is because it is true there has been problems in our party that is something we cannot share away from. Sorry. But then again. As she coughs. But kupola maji. Kupola maji. But I love what you are saying. You are saying that yes, Jubilee has been in existence. And it is a fact that it has been draining for quite some time. Is this one particular reason why we have not been seeing vibrancy especially from the young women caucus? Or is it that it has been vibrancy that we are not seeing so much conversation in that particular area? I think it's also because of the political environment. It's not that the caucus has been died. You remember there was a time that there was team embrace. Team embrace is part of the women caucus. So it has been a conversation that has been ongoing. In 2017, during elections, we had the women brigade which is part of the women caucus. But also the political environment currently. I remember when embrace died it was because the president said I do not want this politicking because it is bringing a lot of hits in the country because you can remember it was a competition of two groups within Jubilee party because there was the team embrace and there was the Inwa mama. One wing was purporting to support the deputy president who is the deputy party leader of our party. It's really hard when a party is fighting within for that party to stand. It is very hard and that is why there has been so many infights. But then again we as women and as young women we ask ourselves Ukiwa na nyumba. Hiyo nyumba iyanze kulik. Do you demolish the house? No. You mend. Maha limaji na ingili liya ahondo na ziba. Those who want to live let them live. I've seen so many women defect women leaders defect. How has it been trying to manage all this as the national chair for all women because you have offices across the country in different counties that represent women. How is it trying to put in that or whipping your women into the line to throw the line in regards to the party principles and the party rules and regulations? You see we are at a time whereby we are in an electronic period and at this particular point it's a matter of principle not even about whipping because what we have is a movement where we are not co-assing anybody to join. We want people with similar ideologies because if we still had TNA and URP as two different wings we wouldn't be where we are today because TNA would have remained as TNA and we would have our kukas as TNA and URP would still remain as URP those who want to join URP to join. But then when you say about whipping people yes for you to be part of us you have to agree to our ideologies know that you are coming in to bring your own ideologies. But as I said by you saying that anyone wants to come can come in, wants to live, can live. Yes anybody who wants to come in. Anybody who wants to come and be part of us because right now like I said we are in an electronic period and people are trying to identify with where they belong but if you want to identify with somewhere you belong to you have to subscribe to their ideologies because like now what we have had was the Jubilee women league we've not had young women kukas but as it stands now we want more women more young women to represent us in the national platform we want to do away with this formula whereby you just rewarded with like one slot and we have so many young women in this country we want to do away with the tokenism so what do we do we create a space we create a space for the upcoming young women I was a student leader in campus I got a platform and now I have gone to the national platform what we want to do is to hold hands of our younger sisters so that they do not have to go through what we went through That's being in the kukas give a woman an advantage in the political arena Yes they do because what we do we have friendly MPs we have friendly women reps who hold our hands because as I'm telling you the young women kukas is under the women league and one of the biggest challenge a young woman in politics can face this in this country is lacking a solid mentor there are so many mistakes as a young woman you can make in politics from making wrong decisions not knowing when you are vying what you are supposed to do but when you have a proper mentor when you have an older woman to hold your hand a woman who has been in the arena like now for the young women kukas we have so many mentors we have my woman rep Sabina Chege is one of my greatest mentors Priscilla Nyokabi, commissioner the former Nyeri woman rep the DG Kiambu, the DG Nyeri these are the women we are looking up to and they fall under the women league not under the young women kukas the young women kukas is under the Jubilee women league we are women those who are governors and women reps fall under the women league we also fall under the women league because we are women in Jubilee but now we want the young woman to identify herself in that umbrella and then whenever you have maybe there is an activation you have in the county because at the end of the day you need relevance you need somebody to give you a platform to shine how will people know that you can do something for them when you do not have that platform because at the end of the day we do not want to be a kukas that is only here in Nairobi and social media we want to go to Machinani our interest is that young woman in Murangaa County because the women league is you have offices across different countries but now it is a kukas that needs more emphasis in the respective counties how far are you in ensuring that is achieved so far we have representatives we have representatives in every county especially in Mount Kenya region we have a representative in every one county that is representing the counties and each of these young women have another umbrella these young women who had these counties have already formulated whereby we have sub county representatives then sub county representatives have formulated a structure where we have what representatives because we want to go down to the to the woman there in the ward regardless of the politics that is taking place at the moment regardless but what we are doing is we want women who we share the same ideologies I am one of the greatest supporter of our president Urumwe Gaikinyata and I believe he has done so much for this country we have not had a commissioner who has made a commissioner at 28 years old but right now we have Womboi Nyoto who is from my county at 28 years old who is a commissioner but we want more than just one commissioner we want ambassadors we want women as women and as young women because we contribute a lot to this country and when elections come many of us are involved actively and because of lack of mentors and lack of knowing what happens during the campaign period how to lobby for positions how to lobby for nominations in the county assemblies in the senate, in parliament all those positions you will find most of the women do not know how to go about it I want us to move to the next particular aspect that I need your opinion on but before we do that I want you to voice your thoughts to that young lady who is watching you today they want to vie for a position next year they want to join politics they want to become leaders they want to become people who can have a voice and they are ladies, they are young as you know you are trying to fight for the people that you are trying to vouch for for the individual who is watching you what word would you have for them just 30 seconds for so for any young lady who is getting into politics right now what I would say is have a vision have a mission and be a transformative leader because that is what will make a difference in this country we have so many upcoming young leaders and what I will tell them is walk the talk yes walk the talk but don't walk it say something that you know you will see through and also have mentors we underestimate what mentors can do to us and as young women we need people who can work with us people who can wear our shoes people who have been there and know how much we struggle to get into leadership positions wow thank you so much that is you know it is quite interesting how we have seen some women who are branded as flower girls yes they say that for example the position of women some say that it is just something I honestly don't think so because it depends with the individual who you elect you can actually make an impact in that position I will give you a very good example I am at my woman rep Sabina Chege she is very vocal what she has been able to achieve a woman representative yes even on Mata's health she is the chair of health she was the chair education it does not limit you saying that a woman rep seat is a flower girl seat it all depends with the individual who you elect to that seat that particular story here of the day last week we had a pronouncement it was a declaration yes in church I know you saw it when every political leader was told stop they were told you are not going to talk on this pulpit it was such a great day many leaders went there many things I don't want to get into the needed gritties but Musala Mudavadi was there and many leaders of which was accused of not respecting women after he left the meeting after Sapeet had declared that they are not going to speak in that particular forum but what is interesting is one week down the line after they are saying no the church at the pulpit should not be mixed the church and politics should not be mixed there should be separation one week down the line we are seeing in the headlines today different leaders speaking in church yesterday including Honorable William Bruto he was backing calls to have politicians stay away from the pulpit while addressing the Ghidaidi church at Kiambu we have Honorable Musala Mudavadi who was aging faithfuls at Chebuane and Methodist church to vote for him we have Honorable Justin Muturi who was aging faithfuls at the St. Michael's Catholic Church at Embu County to exercise tolerance speaking of different things we have Honorable Gideon Moi who was also talking at Kiyui Salvation Army Church in Machakos and Kenya Alliance as the best place to be still politics is coming back to church and it's quite interesting how vibrant it was last week one week down the line things have changed one I would want to disagree with what people said about Honorable Musalia that he disrespected women because of getting out of church because he was coming to an event in Muranga and they were in Bungoma but he was coming to Muranga because he was a chief guest at an event there where we were doing a fundraising over school that Sabina Cheke supports that is why he left early so I would want to retaliate that I remember he even said he had sent his apologies to Bishop Sapit he had to live but he was running late for that fundraiser and I even saw videos when he was trying to live from his chopper of which many leaders including ODIM leaders stood up against it and they say that he ought to have planned himself and he knew how the timing was wrong things like that but it was quite interesting maybe it's just politics but this is what I have to say it's said that there should be no politics in church it is something I agree because you will find that politicians are sometimes very dishonest people because if you told them to come for a Harambe and contributed notes given a chance to speak at the podium they will not show up they will not show up so I think it is a good thing if we do away with politics in the church or rather if a politician is given a chance to speak in church they should not they should not talk anything about politics just like any other congregant you don't have to come and show stop in church that is not a place to come play politics and I think if the problem is we have very different constitutions you will find the grounded churches that is the Catholic church the Anglican church and the Presbyterian church have some solid rules but when you go to these other Pentecostal churches they do not have I don't want to say that they do not have a solid standing there is a flexibility they are flexible because you see some of these churches to establish themselves and if a politician is coming and donating a lot of money for you to be able to develop as a church but there is a problem because the church has always been that thing that brings us together and you saw even when the church came and said that we can do the reconciliation between the president and the deputy president people are not for it because the church has been involved so much in politics the church has been seen to take sides which is not something that should happen it should be that moral fabric that can guide a country between the right and the wrong when you say that actually I agree with you that different churches have run under different constitutions some are upcoming I saw it was these a few days ago we have a particular bishop in Kaka Mega who was given a car by the deputy president yes a Suzuki actually Suzuki you know should churches reject donations because you are still coming up it's not like the Catholic because there are some who may argue only support could be able to have a particular stand because they are established some other churches who do not have that same form or similar establishment so if you give a pastor a brand new car or you donate some money towards church development they will take it but now my question is if you are given a chance to donate and not given a chance at the podium will you still donate that is the biggest question will you still donate if you are donating in kind not that you are expecting something in return okay if you are given a chance to go build a church but you are not given the podium as a politician or you are not given a chance to do your politics you are not given a chance to attack the leaders or whatever they do in churches but to give any comment that is political will you still do that that is the biggest question because it is very sad that today politics have been taken to our churches and if there is something I admire about our president and if you have noticed he doesn't politic in churches he doesn't he just goes to church because he wants to go to church or rather when he is given a chance to address a podium in a church he doesn't talk about politics because his comments are mostly general and that is why you find people saying oh our president I don't know he's not talking about politics, there is a crowd he doesn't talk about politics but I think it's all about principles and if you look at the Catholic church I remember there was a time we were at an event in Muranga where Dr. Matiangi was the chief guest it was it was an event for the diocese and if you look at the Catholic church I think it's one of those churches that have really tried to avoid politics in the churches because in that meeting we had all the members of Palio Menti in Muranga County we had the CSAs we had the PSAs but they were not given a chance to speak at the podium because the father said you did not come here to do politics you did not come here to do politics so we are not going to give you a chance to do politics and it was only one person who was given a chance to speak on behalf of all other politicians but they were told you will not politic in my church or rather in our church and true to the word of the father there were no politics in that church at all they did not speak anything about politics it's interesting because I think you need to check the position of power which you speak from what position of power do we actually speak from at what instance are we expected to evoke some some of these privileges that exist and if we are to evoke some of these privileges that exist what are the ripple effects putting that into context we have the political leaders who want to vi we have the OCA UDA what would be your recommendation to the church that at the end of the day needs to have that interdependence with these political leaders before you invoke a particular power you must have really thought about this yes there has been a very good relationship previously between the political class and the religious class it's only now that we are seeing them clashing even Tiagas being thrown into churches because of different ideologies in terms of political stands so what I think should happen in our churches because at the end of the day we do recognize religious leaders and at the same time we recognize political leaders so what should happen is if a leader by standing goes to a church and they want to address a congregation what should happen is they should be given a chance to address the congregation but there should be a clear guideline on how that is done they should be told that there should be no politics when Honorable William Bruto went to church it was Gida Evi church that was yesterday he was speaking he told people that he is in support of the burning of politicians to the pulpit he also does the encourage politicking on the pulpit that is very ironic because this is a person who has been taking his politics to the pulpit since when they started falling out with the president and the president said that he is looking at development first but it is quite ironic coming from the deputy president because I think every Sunday he is at a different church politicking and I remember there was even a time at a church in Nakuru where Governor Lee Kenyan Jewi said it is very wrong that now we are bringing our politics to church because he was echoing what some of the members of and you know it's quite hypocritical when you stand at a pulpit and say that we should not bring politics to church and this is a pulpit whereby those who follow you or those who want to speak for you get on that pulpit talk all manner of things all manner of things in church and you just sit at there smiling and clapping and then you come tell us you should not bring politics to church you want to alienate yourself from the comments yet you are the chair leader you are the biggest chair leader I am seeing these are something that is affired to the church will never win is it the church wants to win and if the church comes together like I have told you the those the Presbyterians the Anglican and the Catholic have been able to somewhat ground what comments politicians speak in their churches you will even find that some politicians are banned to speak in a particular church because of comments they made there so I think if the church could come together whether the Anglican or these other Pentecosto churches if they could come together and come up with a way of saying that religion is starting to divide us than bringing us together because of whatever political stand one has because we are starting to see where churches have a certain political leaning because it is starting to see this particular church supports this and this person this particular church supports this and this person but what exactly are you doing to that person who comes to church for spiritual nourishment what are you doing to them when you bring politics to your church now I was moved to yet another thing that is your politics in church I don't know how it will end in the long run it is actually very simple just say when you come to our church or when you go to a church you are given a podium to speak speak and talk to the congregants because you are a leader and you lead those people but do not bring politics to the pulpit talk about general things and we have a very good example in our president interesting keep commenting I am seeing a Musamali Meshaka Nassima watching from Bungama thank you so much Jackson Kavoi that is on Twitter for dropping in your comments Nassima watching following the conversation thank you so much Lina Jerry Asandesana Margaret watching you from Manieri interesting conversation I love the conversation with Mweshimiwa there Asandesana this is Maxwell Nassima love the conversation keep it up enjoying it watching you from my home in Rwai okay this is let me move quickly to the final comment here this is Lavenda Nassima enjoying the conversation watching you from Kangundorod Asandesana Lavenda but keep commenting keep texting as you continue this conversation I want to move to the next thing Janet in parliament last week the deputy president went and I saw his address it was a public address when he was saying he doesn't support the idea that you are trying to bring back the BBI through some bills that are in parliament currently we have a bill that is in parliament and this conversation is one that is starting a lot of debate we have the proposal to have prime minister two deputy presidents two deputy prime ministers what are your thoughts on that I was one of the biggest supporters of BBI because I believe in equal representation I believe in fair distribution of resources because that is one of the biggest injustice we have and the same deputy president who was saying that I don't know whether you've seen this clip I think that was in 20 the clip was done in 2010 whereby he was saying that it does not make sense for a county like Kiambo which have close to a million residents and a county in the Koselamu County which has a hundred thousand residents to receive the same allocation when it comes to distribution of resources it is not fair yet this is the same person who we've really been fighting this we had the bill in Senate of one man one shilling one vote and if you look at his allies or rather allies that are seemed to be supporting the deputy president they really oppose that bill there's your one one one one one one one one one shilling one vote because ideally that is what should happen because it honestly does not make sense for a county like Kiambo with all those people to receive the same allocation with counties that have 200,000 people and yet in Kiambo we are talking about 2. something million particular member of parliament was mentioning Wajia saying that you cannot even talk about the same allocation as Wajia ya you cannot and this is a county that also gets the equalization fund because it is seen as a marginalized county at the end of the day and now a county like Kiambo is seen as it is not termed as a marginalized county this should be done or should we proceed I think it should proceed like I said I was one of the biggest supporters those things that can be able to be passed through parliament because anyway if BBI had passed these things would have gone through parliament so it does not mean now that because BBI did not pass those things cannot be passed in parliament because one of the biggest challenges we usually have is when a bill like when we come to young people like the tax holidays the help issues where you told that you will be given a grace period of 4 years before you start repaying and it will not have an interest when you given 4 years and then you will start being you will start repaying it when you start earning an income you see some of these bills when they go to parliament they are taken rounds in circles you know rounds in circles and they end up no passing if there is a way now that we can be able to solve some of these issues then why not because these are issues and you see this is not like they are saying that we are going through the back door that is not going through the back door why do we need now that the bill was rejected now that it did not go through of which there are many who celebrated and said rege has stopped now you are trying to bring back rege through the back door I will tell you why it is not a back door because they are the same people who are saying BBI is not bad in entirety in its entirety and that is why we want when we go to the ballot if the BBI goes to the ballot we want to have a choice on which things to tick and which ones not to tick so at the end of the day it means those items that they knew were good in that document and they are the same things that are being tabled in parliament if they were good in that document then why do they become bad and it is not being taken through the back door because that is the work of parliament is it not to make laws and to propose bills it is their work I was seeing on Twitter I think it is a particular saying that I was saying he has not heard the song by Lucky Dube I don't know if he saw that sweet I didn't it has not been playing for quite some time now and the question now that was being asked around this particular conversation is why didn't we go for the bills in the first place why did we go for the initiative that at the end of the day was going to be considered as unconstitutional is it an issue of strategy I think it is because some of the things that were being proposed to be made as changes needed to go through a referendum they can't pass through parliament on its own because there are things that are being amended in our constitution and for that to happen we have to go through a referendum like the issue of the prime minister and the deputy prime minister that's not something that parliament can pass on its own because that is altering our constitution if that happens I am not sure what is being proposed for it to happen but it cannot come from parliament it has to start from the county assemblies again it is not something that parliament can just pass some of it is just misinformation because that is not something parliament can pass in our constitution I think it's just misinformation and people just trying to play politics with it I think the things that and I believe that is the bill Jeremy Acuni the MP Fondaragwa he proposed in parliament I don't think it includes things that need to alter our constitution I think what he has proposed or bills that can be passed in parliament Deputy President said that this issue is wasting Kenyan's time we need to focus on other issues that how is it wasting Kenyan's time and these are things that affect us the equal distribution of resources when it comes to representation those are the things that affect us as Kenyans what else then is it talking about if these are not things that affect us because if we go to the other thing of the way you are saying the referendum being held the same day with the elections that is something Kenyans have to decide it is not upon parliament to decide it is Kenyans to decide whether they want a referendum or not but as it may this is just still trying to bring back the BBI but through a different procedure yes they are trying to bring aspects of some aspects of BBI that do not have to go through a referendum we can solve the first things first what we can be able to solve let's solve it and then the rest will come later at the end of the day that's progress and it's what we are looking for as a country speaking of progress my dad is telling me that he we want to take a look at your progress and your plans maybe you can just give tell us in brief what aspirations are you having as an individual moving forward come 2022 I might be too early to tell I don't know what plans do you have moving forward because we have seen you in different platforms championing for different things I saw you in Kiampa yes plans that you are having if you are asking about political ambitions I don't plan to buy in the near future maybe after 10 15 years maybe I will go for an elective position but what I want to do now is to solidify what I believe in you see what happens for a young person in politics tuna ruka ruka sana tuna ruka ruka sana so I want to have a solid ground first I want to have a solid ground first and to build your self first and to learn the ropes in politics because politics is dirty I probably want to have a family I want to start a family I want to have a fallback plan if politics doesn't work I want to build a life first there is something running on the screen as you are talking about oh yes jubili women kokas in that meeting I think you can see some of our older women in the kokas you are trying to build a brand that you lay a strong foundation for yourself yes we were at a training at Sarova was it Sarova Panafrik I think that was a training for the jubili women kokas I think there we were with Sabina Chege you are trying to empower the women but you have and bring as many young women in this political space because I am lucky to have mentors that is what I usually say that is something many people normally overlook yes I am lucky and if there is something about politics and young women most of our young women and this is something and I know most of us are privileged most of our young women tend to waste themselves in politics because we are in a male dominated world or rather the political scene is a male dominated field and you will find where young women fall prey to these male politicians because they do not have solid mentors and it is a sad thing it is a sad thing you don't need to compromise no you don't need to and that is what we are trying to tell our young girls you don't need to compromise your principles you don't need to compromise what you believe in you just need somebody who knows what you want to hold your hand and for sure you will make it you will be like them one day because we want to be the next mother karoas of this country we want to be the next Wangari mother Tingilu but these are women we know who have principles so we need to work with people who have been where we are Brenda do you have more photos of that you are running as you continue the conversation just bring up those there is one that you look up we really wanted you to tell me about that there is one that I had seen caring there you saw it this one oh this is the same event yes yes yes that is the same event that is Beatrice Elachi I am sure Wanjiko Kibbe you can also see young women on that photo little young women on that photo so that was the same event so you are learning from these particular women leaders that you are interacting with and is it because of that that informs you to make a decision to be able to get into an elective position in 10, 15 years no no no that is just a personal conviction because even for the young people who we are working with I am telling them if you have a personal conviction that you want to go for an elective seat go for it and we will come support you because we want to move as a group because when you walk when you move alone you can walk far when you walk as a group there is somebody in Stanley and I want to say please help me understand what role they play in changing the political scene because all I see is just talk talk and nothing happening on the ground tell him you are coming to a county near him and he will see us in action you know actions speak louder than words actions speak louder than words in a real sense what we want to do is like I was saying when you walk alone you walk far but when you walk as a group you walk farther so what we intend to do with this kokas is there is a young woman vying in Kajedo County and politics is all about perception you have been called to attend a harambe somewhere we are young people we don't have money we are behind you to come and support you we are behind you to come and support you and tell you we are here to walk with you because even people want to see that there are people behind you people who are walking with you and that's the perception about politics people want to see that there are people pushing you you are not walking alone and that is what we intend to do because it is quite sad I can imagine how tiny I am I am vying for a seat in Muranga County then I go and I show up alone will people even take you seriously they won't maybe when you speak they will take you seriously but when you go as a group they even give you the morale I saw a particular lady here who was moving they will be like they will be interested and it's not all about young women we also want to support women in leadership we want to support women in leadership and this is where the problem comes in where every political leader wants to stand on their own someone say that someone will say it happens mostly it's very common among rising stars and I'm using that word rising stars very selectively they would want to they don't want to stand behind someone else for example if we are both vying for the same position we may have a conversation that in this coming election you will support me and you won't vying for that seat but you will get offended that why should you support me and you will not support me isn't that something so why trumpet among in the political arena especially among the young leaders you see people go to politics for different reasons people have different convictions and it's true people it is very hard and you know politics is quite investing you've invested your time, your money and then somebody comes and tells you that you know it's like coming to tell you I don't think you can win but I think I can win please come support me but sometimes you just sit and analyze the situation because sometimes we vying and we don't get it we go up to the ballot we don't get it but you tried and that is all that matters thank you so much I want us to bring this conversion to a close it is a pleasure but I want to just give you time to wrap it up have a final word in regards to the conversion and as you do so let us know in the political space that we are in we are moving forward to an election period it's less than a year now I remember it was a few weeks ago I don't know how many months ago last month we are looking into August next year the politics that is going to shift the general election has already started the conversation has started and at the end of the day Kenyans will need to go out and vote for that person that they want to vote for what would be your general advice to the Kenyan youth watching you this particular Monday morning in regards to how they need to focus and strategize in regards to who they need to support because it is a Kenyan youth that always gets misused during these general elections we are in an election period and if you look at this period right now my dear you will realize that other rallies 90% of the Kenyans what I will say is one thing before you support someone when it comes to politics politics is about two things one the people and two you as an individual so what I will say is as a young person do not agree to be misused by politicians because they are very they are very famous on the use and dump but I will tell you this use your power to negotiate to get something out of politics because even them they are not there for the politics only they are there to serve the people and personal reasons know why you support someone have an agenda their ideology what ideologies they subscribe to their manifestos, their targets what are they fighting for know why you support someone because at the end of the day you will see people come politic, politic, politic you take a center stage in the politics but when a member of parliament if you are another supporter a member of parliament has employees why don't you negotiate to be employed by that member of parliament as a young person why don't you negotiate for us for yourself yes for yourself if you know somebody can get you a job somewhere else why don't you negotiate for that know why you support someone is this someone who you support but cannot support you as an individual or is this someone who can support your dreams is it someone who can guide you on how to start a business is it someone who can go and guarantee alone for you to start something for yourself the bottom line is know why you support someone that is Janet Rutugu the national chair of the Jubilee Young Women Caucus Janet very welcome I wish you the best thanks for coming it has been quite interesting keep doing what you are doing keep shifting the conversation women need to take their position siyati do you belong to the kitchen no no no we don't belong to the kitchen we don't belong to the kitchen and women are the people who cause revolutions because if I say something today if you go to machinani mama onge kitu kwa chama kitu itainia the whole locality so women as women should use our voices for things that matter to us keep the conversation going the hashtag is 1 in the morning at Ramaguko 2i254 channel that is on twitter and facebook I was with Janet here in studio I will have your game another day thank you so much for giving us your time and giving your opinion I believe as a young lady wherever you are watching us from you have gotten something whether you are trying to become a leader aspiring to be a leader or thinking about it now you have some tips and you know what is taking center stage we have been talking about church and politics and the issue regards to the bill that is proposed in parliament on bbi keep the conversation going as you continue with this morning show but that business to the end of this particular segment on youth and politics we are taking a short break we will be back in a bit with more this is why in the morning