 You'll be hooked from, I guarantee you, from the first couple of paragraphs. But the book is one of the greatest, most imaginative books of the digital age. And so much that's in it has been appropriated in things like Ready Player One, the novel, and the film. And it's, I cannot recommend that book highly enough. It's very, very interesting. Snow Crash, Neil Stephenson, everybody should read it. Big praise. I like One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish. That's what I like. Well, that has much more resonance in all of our lives. Well, yeah, I enjoy it. It's more surrealist elements, honestly, but the variety as well of the subject matter. And I think that it has an educational value that, of course, everyone recognizes. But I think it sort of transcends the level that I think a lot of people find it in. And once you move, of course, from One Fish, Two Fish to like Fox and Sox for more, you know, for more advanced readers, you get a sense of appreciation of, you know, where you started, what's to come next, where you are now. It really was. Because, you know, Fox typically, you know, you don't typically wear socks. And so it bucks, you know, that sort of trend. It was very, very progressive for its time. Yeah, it's like Stravinsky in Rite of Spring. It was very, I mean, we look back on it now and it's, you know, a great classic, but at the time it was very divisive. But is the British publisher rewriting it to make it more acceptable for today's audiences? They're making it woke. Why would you even imply that a fox can wear socks? Asking the question is, you know. Will they even allow him to wear socks in the new adaptation? I wouldn't even, I doubt they would stop him. Seen as possible cruelty, apparently, by extremists. I don't know, I'd find it all ridiculous. I think a fox should be allowed to wear socks if that is his preference. I think so too. I think it's a preference. Yeah, and even if you don't support that sort of thing, you should be able to support his freedom to do that, to make that sort of choice. That's your thing. In any case, hello everybody. Welcome to EFAP episode 229. 229. I screwed that up a lot. I'm like, oh no, I got the number right. Gosh. I'm just going to nod my head and say yes. Hell yeah, we were absolutely on board. Yes. Today we're doing something a little bit different. Have we ever done a jump back to an older classic and talked about it on EFAP? Um, I feel that we have, but I can't tell you what it was. Help us out. Have we ever done this? Like you guys might know. Chat, are we insane? Let us know. Someone said yes. Yeah, maybe. Um, yeah, we decided we'd shake it up. Do something a little bit different. You know, check out something. It's like an EFAP review episode. Yeah, kind of. I'm hoping we can, we can delve just as deep here as we would in the other thing. Misspelled world. Did I, no, I'm not, we're not covering Jurassic World. No. No, thank you. There may be some mention of the franchise. I can't imagine. Do you smell it like the rapper Juice World? Were you omit the O? Oh, world. Like becoming Scottish or something. Would you rather go to Jurassic Park or would you rather go to Juice World? Juice World, because I don't want to die. I guess it depends on which Jurassic Park we're going to at what time. Well, the Jurassic World one falls apart too. So is there ever a functioning Jurassic Park? Like, well, that would be boring, so I'll be doing that. We are joined today by the wonderful Robert Maya Bonette. Welcome to the... I have to say, first of all, Mahler, thank you for inviting me. And second of all, I've never been, apparently I've had a Discord account, which I sort of forgot about, but I've never, I've never been on this platform before. Well, so I'm, I'm, I'm being, what is it called? Getting you out of your comfort zone. I'm a Discord virgin. I'm being divergenized by you gentlemen. It's a bit of chaos. I don't know what that says about me. We're injecting a little chaos on this stream, right? It's going to be relevant later. But, um... Oh my God. Yeah, for those who will follow in like open bars, real BBC's here and there, you'll know that me and Robert have had a couple of interactions in the past. So I've always enjoyed talking to you about all kinds of movies, TV, culture, history, all that stuff. Can I just think of it? Well, I'm a, I'm a Mahler fanboy, to be honest. I mean, I've watched your videos at length. And actually you're, you can't say you've watched your videos at length. To watch your videos is to enjoy the length. I guess I would say. I guess you'd have to. And no, I find your analysis of storytelling quite enlightening. And I, you know, if, if I was teaching a college course on storytelling, which I've never done, but if I did, I would recommend people, especially those who are Star Wars fans, to watch your videos. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't even have to teach. I would just say, just watch Mahler's videos. There'll be a test on Friday. That's incredibly high praise. Because even I feel like I miss out on a lot of aspects of filmmaking, which is part of why I enjoy having guests like yourself to bring in insights that I wouldn't even think to address. Like a lot of the nature of the creation behind each of these films or what the culture was like at the time, what the history of a lot of the creators are, these are all like super interesting to think about in terms of how we engage with a particular project. Because of course, for my, I would say my whole life, I've, I've engaged with Jurassic Park strictly as a film series. But of course, it's an adaptation and there would have been all kinds of trials and tribulations to create certainly the first one. I'm not going to say there's no trials for creating the newest ones, but sometimes you wonder, at least in the script department, if they spent more than a day on it, you never. They were found guilty of sucking. Well, I don't know if you guys watched it's on Disney Plus, but there is a great documentary on ILM, Industrial Light and Magic. And they get into the technology. I mean, really you have James Cameron to thank for pushing ILM in the late 80s when he was making the Abyss, the pseudopod sequence, the water probe that goes into the underwater drilling platform that led to the T1000 Judgment Day and Terminator 2 Judgment Day led to the ability to create the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. And it, it's an astonishing, as far as if you're a fan of the evolution of visual effects, you know, the very first character, CG character in a movie full on character was actually ILM did it in young Sherlock Holmes. There's a night, a stained glass night that jumps off a window and interacts with a character. And that was the first, consider the first CG character in a feature film. And that was not very long before this and getting to, they were, because they were originally going to do it stop motion. You know, Phil Tippett was going to do stop motion dinosaurs and his team was still retained. But I think one of the most shocking in my life, I'll never forget, I saw Jurassic Park opening weekend and the moment, you know, where, where Sam Neill takes his glasses off and looks at the Brachiosaur, taking, eating the leaves off the tree is still to this day. I'm thinking about it right now. One of the most, I think, astonishing moments in cinema history. I often am cited as awe inspiring as an example, like, because we don't have them anymore. I mean, I had grown up watching, you know, the beast from 20,000 fathoms, black and white, stop motion, Ray Harry housing, dinosaurs, Valley of the guanji. It was so, man, I think back to, I was at the Galaxy Theater and on Hollywood Boulevard when I saw Jurassic Park and I got to tell you guys, man, I, seeing that shot, I felt like Sam Neill. I mean, it was such a perfect, the camera on his face as he stands up and takes his glasses off. It was just one of those moments why we go to the cinema. Yeah. And that, and that reverse angle when you see it rear up and take the leaves off the tree. I mean, my God, man, they're, it's a very movie movie. Yeah, that's why we go to the movies. Yeah, no, this is one of the quintessential examples I would give for movies using their power. Like this is one of them. It's one of the best ones ever pretty much been obsessed with this since I was a kid. I've always loved it and it forever generates my hatred for every other attempt that they bring into the franchise though. I'm more concerned we're talking about how good this is and not how bad they are. But like I said, it'll probably pop up here in there. And it's such a great, such a great moment. I mean, even, you know, it's so great even before that when you see the, the dinosaurs in the distance around the lake, you know, and, and, and you see the, the children in the air, the, the, the diffraction of the sun, that is an unbelievable effect shot. And if it's when they're seeing it from a distance, it looks, I mean, I'm always talking about verisimilitude. It is absolutely real. And when you see that, it's like, oh my God. You know, it's, it's, it's, the genius of that is, is like we were saying earlier before we went live is that Spielberg shot it at our level. So whenever you see the dinosaurs, it's how we as human beings would see them if they were real. And, and that, that goes with you. I mean, maybe not when they're, the raptors are chasing you, but the first part of the movie, it brings us, it puts us in the position of the characters. And it's, it's so beautifully done. They still do make the raptors quite imposing. Like I think that's the impression, right? It's just that so the majesty is so beyond what we could really understand to be next. It has to try and simulate what it would feel like to be next to one of these creatures in real life, which is a, you know, movies try all the time. It's all about illusion, which is kind of interesting, Rex, what Hammond's character is motivated by. Like that's what this movie is in our world. But it's more to say on that when you consider it in universe, it's, it's seriously one of the most like, it's a special movie. How else do I put it? Like, because you would just say in how they may have gone with stop motion as much as like no shade to stop motion, but I'm so absolutely thrilled that they did not. Because the animatronics are out of this world good in this film might be the most impressive. I've seen a very well visual effects. It's really impressive for a film that came out in 1993. Like that's a, that film was aged incredibly well. Yes. Oh, yeah. There are so many of the sequences with the dinosaurs look fantastic with the integration of like the real world animatronics and the visual effects. It's so seamless. And I mean, in terms of like the shooting style, right of always trying to look up at the dinosaurs, like trying to get you sort of grounded with the characters. It's, it's, um, that film was filled with a lot of just intentionality and care in terms of like all aspects of the filmmaking, um, like, you know, it's extending to the script as well. It's just an incredibly tight film. Well, it's so iconic too, because you just talking about that scene with the brachiosaur and then it's like when the raptors first, we see them opening like opening doors, basically that becomes like a huge thing. Obviously the impact sounds on the glass of water, the puddle in the, on the floor. These are just things that everyone remembers. Um, what a phenomenal job they do of building everything up before the first T-Rex scene. It's kind of crazy how fast that film flies by. It's two hours long and it feels like a race is by and at the same time you don't feel like you missed out on anything, like how it ratchets up to, you know, like it's hour long, like crazy shenanigans, um, like slowly setting it up, building up the tension and then really leveraging it for so many great moments. And this is one of the many films I would cite that are almost like in this golden age of CG is becoming more and more of a thing, but they're all implementing it instead of just relying on it. Well, because, um, Terminator 2 uses a lot of practical effects for the T-1000 as well. Yeah. Like to practical effects combine with the visual effects partially because I believe when they were making Terminator 2, they weren't actually sure while making it how they were going to achieve it, like they planned it out, they were figuring it out, but it was so new and groundbreaking that there was kind of this fear of, can we even do this? Like, do we have the technology? You know, is this possible? Um, and I imagine it would have been the same with Jurassic Park as well. This like persistent, hmm, you know, like how are we going to do this? Um, I could know it's and that ILM documentary that's on Disney Plus goes into that, you know, they really didn't know. And, and, uh, and like you said, a combination of there's some great practical effects. I mean, they had, uh, full scale dinosaur heads. The, you know what I really love is it's a, it's a subtle thing, but when they find that downed triceratops, you know, the sick triceratops and, and you know, it's breathing and I mean, that's a, it's hard. I worked in, in, in makeup effects and it's hard special effects makeup to do that to create. I mean, you, the leathery skin, you know, and, and it's absolutely convincing. And it's incredibly convincing. Like you are, you really buy into the, the, yeah, man are alive, they're imbued with life because it's such an important part of the story is really accepting that the dinosaurs are living creatures with their own, you know, objectives and, and sort of sets of behavior. Um, it's, it's, it's really impressive. Like on all accounts, like from a production standpoint, this, this film is like pretty mind blowing and it's, it's, it's interesting to say to this day, cause it's like, yeah, it's, uh, like even as you watch the film now, you just can't help it be impressed by all of the care that went into creating these animatronics and realizing the visual effects and like the efforts made to integrate all of these things seamlessly to where, even when you're watching it now, you're like, was that, is that real? Like, is that, or is that like an animatronic or was that, you know, CG? There's a couple of shots. We'll go into more depth as we go chronologically. But yeah, there's the, it's just staggering all of the production elements for this film, especially, uh, I feel the script. I love the script in this film. I was about to say, I was about to say that. Very good, very focused and very deliberate. No lines are wasted, it seems. It's, yeah, this is, this is an incredibly expeditious film in terms of there's no scene where I think, ah, you could have cut that. It really isn't like every scene is essential and builds, uh, builds either like tension or character. It's all the more noticeable today when you have movies coming out that are two hours plus long. And I feel like they just, they just, they just crawl and drag forwards and you have entire like acts of movies where just you feel like nothing's happening and nothing's being accomplished and we're just dragging our feet. Um, entire scenes where you just wonder what was the purpose of that entire scene or this entire conversation? I feel like we've learned nothing. Like there's no direction in terms of this scene needs to do this, this scene needs to do this. We don't need to be wasting people's time because how, how long is Jurassic Park? Um, no hours. That's a long park. It is, yeah, it's two hours and seven minutes, but it feels like it flies by because there's so many things happening. Every scene as a point, you're always, there's always something to look at. There's always something to be listening to. There's always a conversation between characters who are opposing or there's this, this buildup of tension and you're just waiting for it to sort of something to happen and then you're kind of on the edge of your seat because of it. So you never feel like it's dragging. Um, and even the end feels kind of not abrupt, but you know what, you know, at the end, you're like, wow, they didn't have some final monologue into the camera. They didn't have some, some attempt to leave you with a, you know, you know, that's the point staring at your face, but once it's done, it almost like hits you like that. It's done. I think, um, what, what, when you talk about like the writing what really elevates this film so much as the characters and that they're also distinct. Nobody feels the same as each other. You know, Grant Malcolm Hammond, like they're not the same people. They don't have their own idiosyncrasies and beliefs and, and, um, and strengths and weaknesses. No work is done to make sure that every line that comes out of all of these people is very representative of their core values, core characteristics. And uh, exactly. Oh, it's just how many movies, how many movies have a premise where you have a bunch of people like trapped on a whatever and there's a spooky chasing them and you just hate all the characters and you don't like them and you don't really know how they're different from each other and they're all interchangeable. And so you just don't care. Just the fact that you don't have characters to care about and root for can ruin tension that that otherwise might have been really good because you're worried about these people and what might happen to them. The characters are the grounding element because I like Jurassic Park is is is such a quintessential example of like a big summer blockbuster. But like Jurassic Park is a very focused, small scale story. It's just about this. It's about people in a park and the park also has dinosaurs. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of what enables you to buy into the tension and really and like, you know, the fear because I mean the sense of fear and like several of the scenes is palpable. It's an exhilaration, you know, like all of that stems from having an investment in the characters and it's an investment that gets built very effectively and deliberately over the course of the first hour of the movie and then, you know, continues to get developed even as all of the crazy dinosaur stuff is happening. Well, since we're already coming up to 20 minutes we should probably get started on actually breaking this thing down from start to finish because we're going to be here for a while. I'd imagine and I'm excited to talk about all the things of this film. What an opening, by the way. Well, so I've talked about this so many times but it seems to be, this isn't true in every single case but a lot of what I consider to be the greatest movies of all time. The first scene is super important for several reasons but one of the main ones is that it's going to be the whole story in microcosm. Going to be making a very distinct point. It's going to be a hook and it's going to be, you know, something that kicks everything off so to speak and I feel like this is one that qualifies quite a bit. Like what is happening in our opening and it's like, oh, well, it's the park, you know, getting up to probably some kind of regular operation being moving of a dinosaur from one place to another and you have shit tons of men, loads of technology and all kinds of orders and security and weapons everywhere and they're just trying to move a velociraptor into an enclosure. That is it. And the way this is built and shot it's like a horror movie. And the score. Yes, which we can't blame you guys but you haven't heard that. Yeah, you haven't heard the theme yet. No, the score is very doing it once again. I feel like everybody's had to have heard the theme. Everyone's heard it. Even if they don't know what it's from, everyone's. Yeah. Well, I mean, the great thing about John Williams is one of the things he's not necessarily known for is his horror scores. Like he scored Brian DePalma's The Fury. He scored John Adams Dracula and he, he's a great when it came to suspense and, and there's, you hear some of it in a lot of his Spielberg scores. Like there's a lot of great stuff in ET when you first see the extraterrestrials in the beginning of the movie, gathering plants and things like that. There's really ominous music but what he does in the beginning of this, man, it sets the tone right away and you don't even see a full-on shot of a dinosaur. I mean, you know what it is. I mean, you're here to see Jurassic Park but the way they hide it and draw you in and the way it's shot, it's just awesome. I had remembered it as there were no shots of the dinosaur. It was only on the rewatch that I was like, ah, there is one like that's kind of clean enough. And I think obviously it's Spielberg having the close-up of Muldoon and then the Velociraptor, like this lock of man versus nature, which is entirely what I believe this seed is pretty much about. Look at the amount of man-made tech that's here. Even like the tint of blue around here, which comes across to me as green versus blue is a lot of what it can be for tech versus nature. Depending on your choices, of course, I like to look into these things when it's a movie this good. And yeah, like what is the big thing that fucks all of this up? Is they underestimate the Velociraptor's strength? Pretty much that. And then of course the Velociraptor's fundamental inability to understand like what they're even trying to do, like he doesn't know like, oh yeah, this is them putting me, like it's an animal, right? Who didn't live with humans? And it's just this fundamental clash of like these creatures that didn't coexist and shouldn't coexist really. Well, yeah, there's no, that's the whole chaos element. There's so much that you could never possibly be prepared for or understand. That's what the warning of this film is. How do you control them? Yeah, like the expecting that you can control them, like it's just an illusion. And yeah, this is obviously one of the big first examples of how ill-prepared this park is. You'll have him and telling you throughout, nope, it's fine, it's good, it's great, everything's paid for, it's all good, 100% it's gonna work. And it's just like we keep seeing all of these aspects failing, which is really important to allow the plotline to happen. The fact that this is an ill-prepared state of park, but at the same time, it's not something they've put zero money or effort into. It's just the amount, the sheer level of power you need to be able to outclass the power that you're generating. It's big old themes in this film. Yeah. And yeah, like I said, it's good for a hook because you, it's kind of funny looking back on it. Like, because now the problem with the newer films is they think like one velociraptor is boring, one T-Rex is boring. We need the hyper genetically altered super mutant dinosaur that can fly, go invisible, evade x-rays and stuff. It's kind of interesting how much you can trace that with other franchises running at the same time. Like we're terminating. Bigger, bigger, bigger, more. We can't just have a T-800. It's got to be like a hyper, like it's got its own magnetic field and everything and it could like fly and shit, you know. And we got time travel and then we got different. And you see that with Predator as well. The new cool Predator. He was bulletproof. He was super big, tall, strong, invisible, running around while killing people, everybody in the forest. Never was just shooting your guns and exploding everything. And it's like, I feel like you didn't grasp at all what made these films so popular, but all right. It's something that can't help but recognize over and over when you're watching this movie is how small scale and intimate a lot of these tense encounters are. It's literally just a velociraptor in a kitchen with some kids and you're like, oh shit, it's just like one or two. Or it's a single T-Rex fucking around with a couple Ford Explorers. And yet it's terrifying. It's really scary and it's got a lot of tension. There's not these insane explosions going on. These massive dinosaur stampede exploding volcanoes. A million like pterodactyls flying around, grabbing people. It's too much. You're just like, I just don't, my brain just can't believe this. It's so much happening. But if a velociraptor chasing me in a kitchen, I can imagine that. I can believe that. That's why it's so scary. Nice and straightforward. Nice and terrifying. There's a thunder just referenced. Yeah, the 1000 star destroyer death stars. It's like, what? Yeah, that's pretty good example. That might be the best example because that sounds like a joke. It's a meme. You know what these are. What if there were a thousand of them? Oh, aren't you scared? It's not even as creative as like trying to create new crazy dinosaurs. It's just copy paste. Like the thing that you remember, you know, from the old better films. There's something to be said about the comparison between like is more necessarily scarier. And I think it depends on how you frame a scenario. Like we said, you know, this, that there's a velociraptor in a kitchen chasing two kids. Like that's terrifying. It's closed off. There's a very understandable level of threat. The kids are very vulnerable and they have to escape. And then if you shift that to, well, what if there was a thousand velociraptors across the whole city? And you're just like, my brain is just, it's like, I'm just thinking now about why. So you think about something like saving private, you know, another Spielberg film, saving private Ryan, like, you know, the Omaha Beach, that's like a big, that's a big battle. There's like thousands of men there. It's it's it's bigger than like any of the individuals who are participating in that battle can like fully, you know, capture the scope of because they're just focused on what they need to do to get off of the beach. You know, like that's the focus and then bringing you into, you know, that battle with a very, it's, you know, ground level. We don't have any big sweeping shots of the whole battlefield because we're very focused on the characters. The soldiers. Yeah. And how they deal with what's happening to them with like, you know, we're looking at like Jurassic Park. All of the encounters are very intimate because it's always from like the perspective of like one or two, you know, human beings who are completely and utterly outmatched in terms of strength rather than like some big grand spectacle of, you know, like a thousand pterodactyls flying around like from a bird's-eye view of kind of like, how much can we ground you in this situation with these characters? It was like Robert was saying, right, in terms of the deliberate use of camera of always generally looking up at the dinosaurs to reinforce their scale. But it's also to really like ground you with those characters. It's yeah. It's someone in chat said it's personal. It feels more personal. How do you think? Because it's sort of like, how do you think Starship Troopers pulls that off? Do you get the same feeling with that movie? Because you have so many so many enemies, so many bad things that are coming towards you. That's a good example. Because that film is very intense. Yes. It feels very intense when you're there with the characters, even though you get plenty of like big sweeping shots. It always. Yeah, it always seems to be like the anchor of this scene or these scenes are the human characters in it and how they're reacting to it. And much like in Jurassic Park, when you're hyper focused on these very relatable characters, I think that that is what allows you to have these potentially massive threats out there and you can still accept the tension of the moment. I will say as well, Starship is another film where I'm blown away by how good the bugs look throughout both CG and practical. Yeah, I was going to say like Jurassic Park, the combination of practical effects and CG, you know, it's funny. That film was, I just recently watched the 4K disc of that and it's amazing how well the visual effects hold up. And because you know, there's people talk about whether like a lot of people say, Oh, I hated the CG. Visual effects are all about the design of the shot itself. And whenever you have a visual effect that is entirely computer generated, a lot of people and you see this a lot in the early days of CG, especially in space battles. There's all kinds of, because they can put a virtual camera anywhere, there's all kinds of movement that we know, like this is a weird concept to think about, but we understand the audience when we're watching a movie, that there's a camera there. Like we don't maybe recognize it as we're watching the film, but in the back of our minds, we know that it had to be filmed. Yeah. And when you have visual effects that clearly break the bonds of a virtual camera, like the thing about Jurassic Park is whenever they're shooting dinosaurs, there's not some gigantic sweeping virtual camera coming down from God's point of view and sweeping across the landscape with dinosaurs, you know, and that shatters the reality of it all. And so even when you're dealing with visual effects, you have to put a camera in a place where it's believable. I'm glad you brought this up. What's that? I'm glad you brought this up because I find it an interesting topic of attempting to basically make the camera movement seem more real than what you could do with visual effects, which is, you know, if it's a full visual effect shot, you can do whatever you want, framing. Yes, exactly. And but you still have to make it feel real. I mean, great visual effects should be seamless. Like you shouldn't notice them. And a lot of the time we get, and as much as I love Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings, I'm reminded of there's a shot when Saruman says on Isengard, you know, he says, to war, the camera pulls back over all the orcs, the assembled orcs. Yeah, yeah. And that shot bothers me because it breaks verisimilitude. You could never get, even though it's a virtual camera shot, you could never get a real camera to do that. I mean, now with drones, maybe you could. But at the time, Definitely you could with drones now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, Unquestionable you could. Maybe with a crane. But the problem is it's still a visual effect shot, you know, and you would have to have the, you'd have to have a bunch of extras, you know, a thousand extras. So the camera could come down off that. And we know it's a visual effect shot. Lord of the Rings, it pushes the boundaries because at the time, you know, I forgive it. But in Jurassic Park, there's not one visual effect shot that betrays its CG origins because the way the shot is designed is so it's designed from our point of view, like this was how we would see it if we were in that environment. And that's something that I think a lot of the time filmmakers forget and they use visual effects to create fake moments of excitement or they try. But we know the audience knows that there's no, there's no way a real camera could do that. So those visual effects don't always work. But in Jurassic Park, the design of each shot is done in such a way that we as the audience, this is how we would see it if we were there and it adds to the movie and it's, it's, it's something no one really thinks about. But if you watch that film, it's every single effect shot is brilliantly designed. And when you get further into the franchise, especially when you get to Jurassic World, no one cares. You know, there's all these, these grandiose shots and it's, it's like that. No one would ever be able to shoot that and it's part of the reason it, the reality of it. And, and this is a, this is something I, in my life, I'm obsessed with. I'm obsessed with the verisimilitude of fantasy films and, and making it feel real. Verisimilitude is the quality of being real, meaning that I believe what I'm watching could actually happen. And the Marvel Cinematic Universe used to do that. For instance, if you go back and watch Iron Man, the first Iron Man, very much so. And you get to quantum mania and there's no reality at all. You know, when you, when you're in the quantum realm, there's nothing in it that you remotely believe. And so that shatters the way a movie works on you subconsciously or when you're not, when you're not understanding why you love a movie so much. It's because you are tricked into believing, because movies are all made up. You know, you're watching something that is completely contrived. Allegedly. But, well, right. But when it's done well, you believe man. And the great fantasy films that we all love, like whether you watch like Mad Max, The Road Warrior or Fury Road. Yes, there's CG assists in those sequences, but man, you know that they were driving real cars. And those dudes on those sticks, when you're at the point where you can't actually tell if it was a special effect or like they did it for real, that's when you're in golden territory for films. And Jurassic Park never breaks that ever. Is Jurassic Park probably the second? Well, one of the most examples I would ever use for the implementation of CG, which is so cool because it's 93. You'd be like, surely it's going to be something recent if it's because CG just keeps getting better. And it's like, no, not even close. No, because it's not the CG. It's the design of the shot. You know, and the design of the shot from the audience's perspective. I mean, you show somebody at an incredible cityscape where here's Coruscant with all these cars flying through it and they're all going in a row. No one's peeling off going down an off ramp in the sky. And you're looking at it going, okay, that looks beautiful, but that's not what it would really look like. You know, it's too uniform. And so even the skies across Coruscant, I'm like, I don't believe that. That's not what a real... It doesn't have anything to do with like the shot and the camera position. That's just where the... Yeah, that's just whether or not you believe that they would create traffic that way because I'm with you. That seems like a place to sky. And it's the whole conception of that shot. It's like, for instance, and I don't mean to harp on it, but in Rise of Skywalker, hyperspace skipping. You know, they already established what... If you bounced too close to a supernova, that would end your trip real quick. The idea that you could come out of hyperspace and the gravity well of a planet, much less in the middle of a city, is immediately you've shattered all Verisimilitude. Yeah, several times and seconds. I think as well, they don't even know where they're ending up. They're just hoping. Yeah, and when you watch the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, and that's where direction comes in. You know, that's where Spielberg, Spielberg is one of the great geniuses in terms of knowing where to put a camera. And even though he'll do, like there's one of my favorite shots in a movie is in Jaws. And it's a shot inside Quint's office. And it doesn't even make any sense, but it's a shot where the camera moves up and it goes through one of the jaws of a shark that he has hanging on the wall. And you see the orca going off the boat, going out into the ocean to destroy the shark. It's a beautiful shot. It's completely contrived, but everything you need to know about Jaws is in that one image. And you buy it because Spielberg knows the man is a virtuoso when it came to placing a camera and making you believe. He said famously in Jaws, he goes, people are like, you know, Stephen, if you shoot a compressed air tank, it doesn't explode. And Spielberg's like, you know what? I'm going to have them. They're going to believe. And by the end of the movie, they're going to believe what I tell them and they will believe when Roy Scheider shoots that compressed air tank that it would explode spectacularly and blow up the shark. And he's right. And he does it in Jurassic Park. He makes you believe every single camera angle in that movie makes you believe that dinosaurs are real. Even when it's just, you know, you're literally going through Basil X position when you're going through John Hammond's film explaining Jurassic Park, you know, you believe, man. And so many filmmakers today don't have that talent because they rely too much. Everything is pre-vised and you don't have the sure hand, the sure directorial hand because so many people are involved now. You'll go to an effects company. They'll design your entire effect sequence for you, but they're designing it from their perspective, you know, which is the, which is the effects perspective, but they're not thinking about it in terms of the audience's perspective. They're like, let's make a cool shot. It's going to be awesome. Well, I thought it was interesting to highlight the interest in keeping the angles of a particular style throughout to maintain a feeling of how the dinosaurs relate to us. But, you know, I would go as far as saying it's literally them being fans of Jurassic Park as viewers, right? The future creators of the Jurassic Park series that leads them to want to be like, what, you know, what worked about this film? It's like, well, it's just the majesty of dinosaurs. They're so amazing, right? And then they're like, okay, so how do we do it? It's like, well, get the CG guys to whip up the best looking dinosaur ever. I'll take it from there and just, you just film them as you are like an animal in real life with your phone. You're like, how cool is this? Look at this thing. And then of course they'll be like, well, now we need the big shot of seeing everything and then huge music swelling and the enormous, I forget the name of the dinosaur, but like, it just always sits with me in the opening of Jurassic World when the big water one is like on showcase and it just, it might be. And it, is it Mosesaurus? I can't remember, but it's on in Chatmite. And, you know, it's showcasing it, eating and the whole audience is just fucking cheering. And I just remember thinking like, man, you didn't get it, you didn't get it at all because that film is such a like a soulless version of the first film in terms of like, what is the story? It's a park with dinosaurs in it that's working kind of and then it all goes wrong and people are screaming and dinosaurs are like slasher villains, right? You're like, no. Yeah, it's like they, it's like, yeah, they didn't take quite the right lessons from it in the way that we see with Star Wars where, you know, we always have to see lightsabers and there always has to be that's the, it's not really like it wants to focus on the aesthetics and a general vibe instead of going back to the foundational steps of, well, what made that thing a classic? Well, what made these things very memorable? Well, maybe we don't have to worry about. I mean, there weren't like memorable, likable, interesting characters in Jurassic Park. Let's just make big dinosaur shots of a big park, you know? They just totally skipped over the meat of it. Jurassic worlds. Yeah, I just, I just hate a bunch of dumb boring assholes and I just don't care about what happens to them or I'm actively rooting for them to be consumed. Yeah. Well, you just, you've just. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, just like fucking die. But you just quantified the difference between great genre cinema and mediocre genre cinema and it comes down to intent. And I think you just said it. It's a park with a bunch of dinosaurs, but if you don't have a strong storytelling point of view, which is what a great director brings. Setting, it's not the story. That's right. That's right. And, and every, you know, I look at some of my favorite directors working today, like David Fincher. You know, the man's, he's a clinician in the way that his shots are set up. If you ever watch, there's a great video on YouTube about how he shoots and how every shot is composed and even when the camera pans, it has to be a perfect pan. And I think Spielberg's a little bit more loose when he shoots. But if you, he just inherently understands from a design standpoint in his mind, I think he's got a little bit more jazzy as he's gotten older, you know, cause he wants to shoot things faster and he has a crew that knows what he wants. But the composition of the shots in Jurassic Park are so thoughtful and they're so, and the collection of that thoughtfulness in a movie is what makes it, I don't mean to be so, I don't know, spiritual, but that's what penetrates your soul as a viewer, you know, and, and, and the reason why Jurassic Park had such power was the view, we believed it, man. Like, like even, even the beginning when the helicopter lands on Isla Nublar, Nublar, Isla Nublar, you know, and you hear the Jurassic Park theme in its full glory as, as Ian Malcolm and everybody's like, landing, you're, the audience, the grandeur of that is so, you're like, of course this is where dinosaurs live. Even though they shot it in Hawaii, it's, it's, they found the perfect place, the waterfalls and everything and, and Spielberg knew he's like, this is the, we need to convince people that this island is where dinosaurs would live. And when you hear this John Williams music and you see that helicopter land, you're like, of course, man, of course this is where dinosaurs live. You believe it because he knew, he knew that when this helicopter lands, it's just landing. It's not like there's, you know, petrodactyls or whatever flying around before the helicopter lands. It's just a helicopter landing to that grandiose theme. But you believe like, yep, this is the island where dinosaurs live because Spielberg knew he knows how to make you believe. But definitely it's like at that point it's generating such a fun, it's like we're about to go on an adventure sort of thing. Even though it's like, well, the context is a bunch of people are coming to review whether or not this park is safe and viable, which sounds so much more boring when you put it that way. Like, I know, I know, right? But he makes you believe that you're there. Like, yes, we're, we're, we're basically in, in here we have Osha, which is, is the people that make sure movie sets are safe. Boring job, but that's all they're doing. I need you to come check out my new park. Even the audience is like, no, it's gonna go awry. For a movie that is so, especially in memory, you remember a lot of the grandiose shots and the, you know, the intensity of a lot of it. It's very restrained. I think there's a good, there's a good amount of wisdom in what to show, what not to show and when to show it. Even rewatching it, it kind of surprised me how it was constructed in terms of when we see dinosaurs, how we see them and the gaps that exist between you seeing them. But there's never this impression that we have to hurry back up and get to seeing the dinosaurs or that any tension has been removed because you can't see them when Laura Dern and Muldoon Animal Man, when they are going to check on where Arnold is with a power, they have a whole sequence where she runs and the music is like, and she just runs into the compound. There's no dinosaurs or anything, just a woman running through the jungle for a bit and into a door. But it has this tension because you've been told what velociraptors are capable of, the person who respects them the most. Yeah, right here, exactly. The person who seems to respect and fear them the most is the one who's really telling her that you need to run. There's this implication that they are out there and they could attack at any moment. And no dinosaurs whatsoever. You don't see them. You don't even hear them. As far as you know, they might not even be there. But there's still an immense amount of tension there. And they could have had, if this was the modern movie, they'd have four of the damn things coming out of the woods, nipping at her heels and she barely is able to get inside the door before they all crash around and they fly out of the ground. And then they come in, there's helicopters and they got parachutes on and it would just be crazy. And that necessarily doesn't mean it would be bad. You could do that scene really excellently even with being very explicit about how they're being chased. But this film doesn't do that. It takes the other route where they're not even present, but there's still tension. And it does seem... Well, I think the tension come from the sense that there is a presence there. There's a presence because you know that there are dinosaurs on that island. Yeah, you can't see them. You know, they're there. There's also like the tension in the way that the characters that the characters kind of feel like they're around somewhere, right? Like, it's like the characters reactions to the information that comes to them is super important in terms of, you know, essentially evoking the same feeling and you provided it's all built up effectively, which in this case, you know, in this film is the case all the time, basically. If all these grounded, believable characters are constantly on edge and worried and acting as if dinosaurs could get them in any moment, then even if you don't see them, you are right there with them and you think, oh yeah, dinosaurs could get them at any moment. So I'm, you know, I'm worried for them. There's anxiety in the air. Yeah. So Muldoon and Alan basically like keep beefing up the raptors throughout the film with their descriptions and then there's like several big sequences with just the raptors. It's so simple and yet so effective in terms of how you can do all this kind of thing. Some of the best films that involve monsters, you don't see them for a while. That's right. It's all that tension building, all the suspense and then the payoff. It's just tried and true. And yet a lot of people take from that like, oh, well the best part is the monster part. So just do more monster parts. You wonder how much of like filmmaking now is, oh, well everybody will talk about that big potent moment in the film or, you know, whatever handful of it be. Yeah, this is a big scene. This will be our big thing. Then all the posters. You wonder sometimes that people forget. Yeah, but like there's so much work that was there was so much groundwork that was laid beforehand that feeds into that scene. Like that moment on its own. Yeah, it's cool. But like it's all of the material that was building that moment up before the film that's super relevant and important. It's like in being so fixated on if you look at, you know, like Jurassic World, right? These big epic moments that you forget about all of the character work and the tension building that facilitates that moment, the moments in Jurassic Park being as cool as they are. Because yeah, the velociraptors are built up over the course of like an hour and a half of just like gradually building up and receiving information on them. And most importantly, the perspectives of characters like Muldoon who was very familiar with this animal and like even he's nervous about them. You know, and he's the super trained expert. Like it all just feeds into making those moments awesome. He has a line where he says something like I've hunted just about everything capable of hunting us. Yeah, that just like the absolute family. I mean, because I really like Muldoon for how little we get of him. Yeah, he's awesome. He's literal like the first line we get from him in a, you know, outside of the intro where he's shouting shoot her is they should all be destroyed or something like that. Yeah, like that's that's that's him. He's just like really that's what should happen. His character is used as the villain in all the sorts of other kinds of stuff, right? He is the character, the hunter or the warden kind of character. He's the bad guy. He hunts them for, you know, for the joy of hunting and he's kind of got bloodlust to him. He's like, as I mentioned when we were watching it, he's like Clayton in Tarzan but he's not just an evil asshole. Reference is perfect rags is the guy in Fallen Kingdom. There is a hunter just like him in that. Yeah, he just takes rips tooth out of teeth. Sorry, tooth out of dinosaurs. And then he gets his comeuppance. He's just an asshole hunter, but Muldoon very different. Well, a lot of the name of the guy in Rescuers Down Under someone in chat will have to remind me of a name who's got Joanna as the guy. Remember Joanna's name, but I remember. I don't remember his name, but he's got like, you see this guy in modern stuff is kind of poisoned you to thinking. Oh, that guy's the villain. I can tell because I've seen movies and that's obviously going to be the bad guy when he's just like actually super responsible and respectful of all these creatures really. Well, I think one of the things with Muldoon that helps him is that even like with through everything you get the sense that he has reverence for them like that he respects them. He knows what they like. He respects their power. Yeah. He doesn't he doesn't treat them lightly. Like they're just little, you know, like caged poise or something. Like he knows that they're animals and he knows that they're intelligent. And then of course it leads to it leads to that pay off. Well, it just I've always felt he's like symbolic from the start to middle to end of man directly versus like what is man capable of versus of like the nature of a velociraptor and he loses. Yeah. And he's outclassed for the very reason that Alan leads out in his first scene. Which makes it all the more terrifying when people who aren't experienced hunters have to deal with velociraptors that the experienced hunter got outclassed by them just reinforces just how tense and scary that encounter is at the end. And I love as well. It's such an iconic line. Clever girl, but it's such a recognition from him as like you you're good. Like by the way, can we talk about Spielberg's knack for casting? Yeah. Sure. That actor and his name alludes me. But again, I'm just Bob Peck. Okay. In terms of verisimilitude, when you cast an actor and he looks the part that guy looks like I mean, you believe you believe in that guy and he says clever girl, you think man like he's going to survive. Yeah. That guy knows what's up. You know, he's got that British face that accent and in America, we believe that anyone with a British accent is smarter than we are. Mostly you guys might laugh, might laugh, but actually I should say look, there's so many different great British accents. I don't when I watch like a Guy Ritchie movie, perhaps those British accents are different than the ones I'm talking about. But Americans were used to that. And when you when you see a British hunter dressed, you know, as if he's in India colonial in the during the colonial days, we believe that those guys knew what was up. Yeah, he's a game wasn't from Kenya, right? Yeah, totally. And when he says clever girl, it's like that's a one liner that Arnold would say. It's amazing that he can deliver that in a way that makes you respect him just about when he's lost and about to die. It's like, totally, totally. And and and when he does because you again, this is Spielberg's genius. You believe man that he's going to prevail. And when he doesn't, it's like, oh, fuck. Yeah. And then of course, the rap is going after a wounded woman and kids after taking out the the guy who's probably best suited to take them on is raises the tension further and further. It raises. Yes. And and again, you know, not to belabor the point, but that's why Spielberg is an effing genius. Oh, yeah. He knew everyone knew what they were doing when they were making this. Yeah. Um, so why don't we talk about the next scene? Making great time. All right, let's do it. Um, so yeah, to me, the first scene is like a big old, as I said, hook and a figure focus on thematically what we're going to be dealing with. Next scene is almost strictly plot. You still get character in all of these because obviously that's where the information is coming from, but it's like lawyer arrives on what is a really like dinky and strange method without an welcoming from Hammond is it just represents how much he's not favored. This is this is the lower end of the character in terms of value. Nobody likes the lawyer. He's he's kind of annoying. He's very focused on buddies kind of an idiot too. He has many lines that relate to him just man being like he just doesn't understand much of anything out of his element here. Absolutely. But obviously he represents a very important part of the film and yeah, they basically just explain the the park is being built and a lot of insurance guys and other investors are not sure they they might want to ask the program because it just seems to unruly sort of thing. They need reassurances from experts. You have to grab some of one of them that has been suggested as a more trendy one to get a an approval from is is Ian Malcolm and then he's like he's looking for some others more classic types being the archaeologists that are currently under Hammond's sort of money right now. He's funding their current expedition, right? He said he and and he's going to look to do it further if they agree to this because I guess Hammond at this point is quite rich, but Jurassic Park is still going to cost you a shit ton. Yeah. And yeah, so this is just making clear that that is going to be why everything is happening. It's very straightforward. These are the kind of things you would expect would happen. And to be honest with you, it wouldn't be long before there'll be a hell of a lot of government intervention with the more knowledge of this place getting further and further well known. Yeah. And ending with a big old shot of the mosquito in amber. Yeah. It's nice in terms of the level of symbol as a minute. Every time. Yeah. And then next scene already, it's just like what happens blood suckers and Alan and Ellie are just organizing their architecture. It's just let's sort of set up expectations in your mind about these two characters because it's all just character, right? Yeah, the big site. Who are these people? And of course, you know, brought forth through the performance as well. You just get a really clear sense of these as individuals, you know, rather than just people who have been plopped into like a dinosaur movie. Well, what's Alan's first line? I hate computers. There's a couple of references in this film to him being almost incompatible with technology. And I've always seen it as a symbolic again of him being more in tune with nature than tech. As he mentions, he mentions that when they're using the computer to basically like map out the area so that they can find all of the bones, I think he said something along the lines of like, well, what's the fun in that basically, the fun comes from digging like what's the point of digging anymore? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun in that. And as he points to it, it goes staticky. And I think she says like he's Dr. Grant isn't machine compatible. And yeah, just the continuing themes of the excess technology or new advancements in technology and man versus nature. The grant throughout this film seems to be the primary character that respects and understands everything that's happening on a more fundamental level. And what's ethical? What we shouldn't be doing, but doesn't necessarily like start up big old debates about it. He's just he's always acting in the interest of trying to make sure everything works out because like, you know, that comes into full clear when they're talking in the when they're having lunch, he's like the last one to give his opinion. Well, yeah, he's I mean, he's at bro appeals to him is like, you know, come on like, surely you, you know, you know what's up, right? This is all great, isn't it? Well, that's like that's seen as rich thematically. Well, yeah, because like the next thing that significance that happens is Alan Grant terrifying a child in the best way possible. Instantly makes him my favorite character. He's Alan Grant stocks instantly rise. Well, it is great because yeah, what seven, eight minutes in and this is the big setup for what dealing with a raptor is like and this film because I don't know how accurate would be necessarily to what we know about raptors compared to other dinosaurs. But this film kind of makes raptors seem like the most threatening dinosaur that's ever existed. Like, which is kind of interesting, right? Because with T Rex, everybody knows what the T Rex is. It kind of like speaks for itself. Whereas building up velociraptors. Yeah, it seems like this film kind of that was a goal was to build them up to the point that they're the final set piece. The T Rex is kind of the first set piece of the movie. Yeah. And a lot of it comes from the velociraptors sort of building up their intelligence and their coordination. Yeah, they do a good job at sort of displaying different kinds of danger. The T Rex isn't the same kind of dangerous as a velociraptor is, but they're both very dangerous. Yeah, exactly. Doctor Grant destroys kid with fax and logic. Hell yeah. Debate one. Because yeah, the kid is basically like how they sound like chickens and idiots. It looks like a chicken. Yeah. And then Grant is like, you know, what's so neat about them? And he throws in the line by the way, you may expect that they're like T Rex is where if you stay still, you'll be okay. So that's just going to be helpful for later when that's re-implemented. But he says no, they'll be staring at you and you'll be staring at it and then you'll be attacked, but not from the front from the sides. They hunt together. They use coordinated attack patterns. They eat you alive. Not from the front from the side. And then what happens? What happens to your boy Muldoon? That's the thing. You could you could mix the two scenes together. And there's a lot of setup and pay off in this film. They build up so many things that come back to be leveraging the story later on. It's really good stuff. And yeah, and then they have the little chat about kids. He's on a more character like fundamental level. He goes through a lot in this about dealing with children finds them all to be rather annoying and yet is probably one of the best carers of the children in the whole movie could be the most characters. When push comes to shove, you know, he he leaps into the fray and he does what he thinks is right or he does his best. You know, probably best summarized by that moment where she falls over. He picks her up by the hand to be like, oh, are you okay? And then she is and then she won't let go of his hand. He's like, yeah, get off. Just like a he's he's probably the better father that he realizes potentially. It's a nice little art to have running for him throughout the film. And it's not very complicated either. Like none of it is particularly complicated, but it's effective. Well, and I think it's sort of representative as well of this, this taking care of what we're supposed like what we're dealing with in front of us, you know, having some kind of deliberate consideration of everything we're doing. Meanwhile, of course, like humanity is ushering in this whole new species and they're doing it in the most clunky and disrespectful way and it's causing significant problems meanwhile, like I said, he's thrust into a position to take care of two kids and he does wonderfully with it. Yeah, a helicopter arrives and like fucks up their whole dig site, which to me is just again like technology coming in and just fucking with everything that comes across as more natural. I think they take every opportunity they can to have that comparison throughout the film. But also what I love about about this is it sets up the idea that paleontology, you know, that's that's all we have. And when I was growing up as a kid, you know, I love books about dinosaurs and you realize these poor guys, the men and women that are delving into the past of our great planet. All they have is fossils. They have nothing, you know, and it's setting up that great moment we talked about earlier on when when he finally sees the dinosaur, but this scene it's like this is where he spent his life. This guy, this poor dude and his girlfriend. They just are digging in the dust and one helicopter lands and all of their reverence for history can be disrupted. All of their work can literally be swept away with a gust of wind and and it kills me every time I watch this scene because I'm like, wow, man, these people, they've gone to college, you know, they spent their lives in the service of digging into the ground and they find one little fossil with their little brushes and I was like, oh my God, look what we have. It's such a helicopter to come in with a complete disregard for like the damage. Totally. The scientific method out the window. Well, and it's a great way to like all this guy cares about even though he's a lawyer, the actual scenario of his arrival at this site. It says so many things about capitalism, about the respect of history. You know, like he's like, who cares about paleontology when we've got Jurassic Park? Well, that's the thing, right? Because reference Hammond would probably say definitely respects this dig. He's paying for it and all that stuff, but he doesn't treat it properly, which is represented in his park. It's like, it's like it's there, but not there fully. He doesn't fully understand what he's dealing with. What is this place? Why should you be giving it more care? And he's just like, well, it's, you know, it's where they dig up the bones. And then that's how they find out about the dinosaurs. Kind of the same as when people are like, oh, that animal, that wild animal. Oh, I want to pet him and squeeze him and everything. It's like, why don't you just leave it alone? You know, like why don't you just respect it from a distance? It's kind of like that. Yeah, the considerate thing to do would be land further away and walk here. But oh, well. And yeah, you have the sufficient outrage from Allen and Ellie, but then they both realize, oh, this is the guy who's funding us. Right. And they're immediate pivot in that demeanor. I really love Richard Amber throughout this film, by the way. He's so powerful. And so charming. Yeah. He's so much fun and everything, but this is just that underlying like he knows all of this is holding together with just strings and he's so desperate to get it to the world. He's so desperate to give people the experiences he wants to see. His enjoyment almost comes directly from other people being like in awe of the stuff that he can show them. It reminds me of prestige, actually. Yeah, it was a look on their faces. Yeah, it's a really he's very, very unique in the whole storyline for his point of view. That's that's what he's motivated by. But at the same time, he'll have a crossover with lots of different characters at lots of different times because that's thing, right? Like everyone's core values are different, but they'll all intersect at different points. It creates for really good banter bouncing. And because like this would be a good example, right? Those two are outraged at what he's done to the dig until they find out he's funding it. And then they're like, no, we're not going to come to your crazy whatever the hell this is. And he's like, I'll give you lots of money. And they're like, Okay. On your dig for the next three years. Like, yeah, that'll be money is a it's a thing. Does do the diggin and eat money. Still probably wouldn't be enough if they knew what they were getting into with the whole getting eaten by raptors and stuff. But yeah, I didn't mention. And yeah, that's that. It's all sorted. And it's like, so Jesus Christ, we're moving so fast. Like we've already accomplished so much in terms of we've established our main heroes, the main plot line thrust for everything happening, what's going to be there and setting up exactly how this is all going to go already. Plenty of clues. It's like, so what's next? It's like, well, kind of the villain set up scene, which is also very quick. Or a good old Mr. Nedry Dennis Nedry played by the wonderful Wayne Knight who I know from this rat race. He was in Seinfeld as well, right? Don't forget his great turn as one of the people in basic instinct. Oh, yeah. Isn't he's he's he's he's questioning Catherine Tramell. He says, you ever tie him up? His name. He plays Mr. Corelli. It's like sweating at me. Oh, yeah. Docs. Docs. We got that's in here. So we were talking to me in Rags where we were rewatching this about how memeable this film is and how it's really evolved well into sort of modern culture. So many funny, there's like genuinely funny and then it can be turned into so many different applications for making really good jokes and stuff. The meme factor for a film is a thing and science will study it years from now. I'm sure. Yeah, this idea of this film came out so long ago and yet so many of its scenes are not just iconic, but at least in terms of Internet culture, they've been able to just persist through memes, which I don't know. There's something. I don't maybe there's something there because it's not often that really. I mean, how often is it that really bad movies that people don't care about get memed a lot? It happens. But it happens. The room was one of the biggest meme movies ever, right? Yeah. But I think the interesting comparison we were thinking about is the meme factor for the prequels versus the sequels. Yes. Prequels equals don't get memed. No, because no one like like everyone's a lot of people are super defensive about them and no one likes them or so few people like them relatively. So, you know, I don't know. It's something to I don't know. I don't know. There's something there and we'll find out what it means in the future probably, right? It's we're too probably in the era. The era has to be complete before we can look back or something. I'm not totally just making this up as I go. Hey, the this is just setting up and it's really quick. He works for Hammond. He's he doesn't feel he's being paid enough with what is done with such a really great line, right? Like he looks down at the bill being delivered and he's like, don't cheap out of me now, Dodson. That was Hammond's mistake. Like, yeah, nice. We know why he's here. Yeah. That's what I mean. He's so simple, so quick. That's his motivation. And they even show us like the technology's got to steal the thing and his role is going to be enough to get in. It's done in like a minute. And you even have Wayne Night making an absolutely bizarre noise. This day, I remember jokes about how he sounds like a velociraptor. If I can play it for everybody. He's a predator who prayers on other people. His sustenance comes from others. He's great. I don't even know what the three line would be there, but maybe there's something I don't know. It's cool to compartmentalize. That squeally does. I just played it for the stream. There you go. It's a I don't know. It's it's it's such a weird noise, but they are just Wayne Night being very, very happy and excited, which is cool. I think the angle here is that he's just like, oh, I'm like like a 007 type thing here. Look at my technology. It's all secret and cool and it still works. They call excited. When he's going to be the biggest reason everything falls apart. Yep. I thought it was the can. I was certain it was him because it doesn't make that noise later when he opens it up. I don't think. Love that squeally does. Yeah. But yes, you could say the greed of of Dennis is why at the core everything falls apart because this film definitely has things to say about capitalism, but it's like a super unregulated and focused view on making money is obviously going to lead you to making extreme unethical mistakes. It's a reason why everything needs focus, understanding wisdom, regulation. You need to understand what you're fucking doing before you do all of what they do, which gives us results like they do. And yeah, then we get Ian Malcolm introduced. And it's like, this is the last thing we got to do before we could basically start the film. Let's set him up. And how great, how great is Jeff Goldblum? Oh, he's fantastic. Yep. I mean, I know he's been mean to death. Everyone's seen all that, but his performance and the classic line that he has in this movie, you know, just which one? Well, yeah, right? Actually, the it doesn't even happen yet, but but he's so great and is flirting with Laura Dern. I mean, perfection. Yeah, I was saying it almost feels like it wouldn't make it into newer movies. Him just being so open. No, it'd be a toxic male fiddling with her hair. Yeah, that's not a lot. One of the things he says to her is like, you would know all about attraction, wouldn't you? Like Dr. But it's so great because, you know, this is what this is this is this is classic movie banter. Yeah, this is what people used to do. They used to flirt with one another and and it wasn't it I guess maybe it's my movie. It's my movie goer privilege showing. But I mean, come on. This is classic character building. This is fun. The audience understands it. I mean, we live in a culture now where you can't even talk to somebody without somebody going I didn't appreciate the adjectives you used. What about those adverbs? Can you change them out? But, you know, Ian Malcolm's like he's Lando Calrissian. You truly belong with us here amongst the clouds. Yes, he's yes. Yeah, he's super charming and he's he's as much as it's so cool to see the character. He's rock and roll, man. Well, yeah, he gets called a rock star, right? Like he's I love how he's so interested in just seeing if he can get him with Ellie. But at the same time, he's probably the most passionate and well-weirded sort of criticism of this whole part comes from him. It's you know, he's more than like one note. He's got a lot going on. And yeah, I don't know that it could have been nailed as well as with Goldblum. He's he's great as him and as a result, they continue to bring them back in the hopes that they can, you know, him and Alan and well, they will be the magic again. Yeah. Yeah, that's because that's what made the film good. Just having those actors, not about what they're saying or how they deliver it. It's just having them. I suppose it's nice that they don't all get murdered or something. I don't actually know. I haven't seen the new one. I assume they don't die though. I assume it's terrible and awful and horrible. Is that yes? Oh, it will hurt your soul. Oh, it really will. I think that's one that everyone wants to see in our audience. Go watch Dominion and tell about how bad it is. It's here's the thing. I mean, I've worked in the entertainment business for 34 years and and a while I've worked at the indie level. You know, I've never had great commercial success. I did I did buy the script for Agent Cody Banks and I I'm the only single card credited producer on that film and I watched I watched a script that was written as Ferris Bueller meets James Bond and when it could have been a huge successful movie and they decided after the studio bought it, you know what? We should make it for tweens for 8 to 12 year olds and we're like, well, the whole point is it's Ferris Bueller meets James Bond and we'd already sold the script. So we couldn't do anything about it. Damn. And it was like we developed this property to be what it was this and you guys are changing it and dumbing it down and making it for children when it should have been and I watched it happen. So I've watched this process from inside occur and when you watch Jurassic Park Dominion Jurassic World Dominion. To me, it's everything wrong with corporate corporate IP stewardship in that they they a corporation should never and anybody who works for a corporation should never be in a position to define storytelling. And the Jurassic World franchise is a product of corporations defining storytelling. And I was going to say quick Malcolm's speech in this about what they've done here is so applicable to the modern storytelling industries. It's unreal. Oh my God. And and and it's and applicable to the franchise. Yeah. Yeah. You you watch Ian Malcolm. It's a cautionary tale about what not to do. I mean, they didn't know there's going to be six Jurassic Park films. But he's it flat out. He says it flat out and no one heated his warning not in this movie and not the subsequent five other films. No, that his character gets like chewed up and used over and over again to sell the future movies. It's unreal how much this that light is aged like well, every best thing ever. I was going to say why does like something better than that something that makes that light or makes that speech go on forever. It's it's applicable on so many levels. It's amazing. We'll probably talk about that more so when we get there. But do you think that Jurassic Park is the most like ironic of all of the terrible, you know, essentially I piece that have been ruined. What do you mean because of what the film's about? Yeah, because what the film's about and the things that the character sort of specifically say how accurate it could be. You know, it's got to be one of them. It's up there today more invented better wine. It's like wine, but better. Yes. Yeah. And it ages even better than wine because it's better wine. Oh, nice. Now there's the thing that's very much worth highlighting here is that they're all without the seatbelts for now because it's safe and then when they're going to be landing, he says it's going to be rocky. It always is so everybody built up and Alan's belt is not he hasn't got the male and female sides of the connectors. Everyone else does and you know Hammond is like, you know now and come on by the time you put it on will be landed like which I think is a good representation of the lack of safety sort of things that relate to the park and the back of their ill prepared because they're all fussing over it. They don't seem to be able to figure it out which it's like it's a belt. How could this be hard? It's like a big mistake or whatever. But there's a lot of that throughout the film, but it's also pretty clear when you start to think about it what it represents the old he can't create a belt out of female female. Right. And it's like, well, what if you time together instead of thinking a man that'll work well enough for what I need and it's like, oh man, yeah, you find a way. Ha, when you're in when you need something done with something's got to happen and I've got to think about later on the film where Dr. Wu explains that all the animals have been engineered to remain female to they deny them the sort of development into male and so you have no worries about any any offspring and then of course in Malcolm says, well, you know, he has a will go over it but he's got a pretty good speech in that scene about how this is an insane level of power you hope to control and you won't be able to and that life finds a way. No, no, no, he says life finds a way. That is very important. I will. It's so weird. Life finds a way. Well, this is the way that one of the first things he says, I think it's like, so you guys dig up Bones, the sort of like agrees that he goes, What? It's so funny because yeah, obviously, Sabdiel is playing an absolute very normal straight man type character in Alan and you like you can tell he's got a lot of just issues with Ian as the first half of the film is going finds him frustrating because they're such different people. Yeah, which leaves them landing. went over and The car ride begins and we get a reestablishment from the lawyer that hey if this place doesn't pass then You know, we're gonna be shutting you down Which I think is the most interesting right? I think Hammond points this out the one that seems to be most against him at the beginning as the lawyer Well, everyone else is sort of like on board for the adventure But by the time we actually get through the initial tours They all teams flip the lawyer is 100% on board and everyone else is like I don't know about this Seems like you're holding on to much more than you can necessarily bear Which brings us to the Brachiosauce scene One that I'm the famous Yes, the 20-minute mark and they're now showing you showing off to you what you're gonna be gaining from watching this film, right? and What a good idea to start with a very huge But still the more you know what I say harmless, but I'm a herbivore Which there's something about the way that they approach doing the build-up in this film of what dinosaurs they show at what scenes in what order I guess because There's so many things you if we had a completely neutral state What do you want to nail with dinosaurs like well, we gotta have the t-rex like yeah, yeah Yeah, we'll have that it's like raptors being the like super fast and scary and vicious Dinosaurs again. We want to have them is like what else like well you're gonna want to showcase the majesty of The life itself right it's not you don't need them to be killers to be interesting and that's one of the things I think that's just completely gone from any of the newer iterations of Jurassic franchise Wasn't really about the fact that they kill you That makes for really interesting sort of storytelling tension and stuff But a part of this was supposed to be that dinosaurs are so incredible and amazing because they're their life That did exist once upon a time and nature itself is enough to marvel at and to capture that is honestly difficult I'm impressed that he managed to do it so well. It's feel big But it's not in you know too much of a surprise being that he's made so many incredible films as well So we lost Robert. Yeah, we did he's gone Well, you'll be back, but Yeah, I don't know. What do you think of the seed lads this? Because it is I think one of the things that's worth praising is the way that like when it rears up and Grant puts his arms out There's a good direction in terms of what the actors are doing. Obviously, there's nothing there for them when they're acting it out So good direction between what? Like they need to be an understanding. This is what your character is doing This is what you're reacting to so it helps make the thing that's added in post and CGI more believable Because much like we were talking about earlier with like the velociraptors in the jungle if all the characters are acting very Realistically and believably as to their environment then it sells the environment and that's the same way that how good it looks does When Thanos was made, you know, we had the big Thanos head that was up tall Which was yeah, it was very goofy at the time, but it's so that they knew where to look to Thanos's face And in a lot of other Scenes that aren't directed well or another other productions. You have the special effects of either Force perspective or stuff that's added in CGI things of that nature and the real people in the scene They're not looking where they need to be looking They're not looking at the eye level of the character that's being put into the movie and so there's that big disconnect It's like why are you looking at it? Like you're supposed to have this the this fairy or this something whatever it is That's in CGI, but your eyes clearly you're not following this character. There's something something along the way The communication was broken. I Mean it was that helps a lot in the scene to say I was lucky that Robert got to talk about it because he'll be back He's just like he's gonna be out for this one, but luckily talking about it earlier It's um, it's this scene is iconic like this There's no other way to describe it real well, that's plenty of other ways to describe it, but it's iconic I think the one thing this film can benefit from that. It's very rare to benefit from is that uh The insane thing that we're seeing it was a thing. It's not made up Like at least not the wholesale made up there is Yeah dinosaurs existed what they look like is kind of Kind of hard to say sometimes. I think like our perspective on dinosaurs and what they look like has changed a lot Over recent years it seems But I mean yeah, you have a sense of what a dinosaur is and just getting to see one walk around and it's the It's it's how they build up to the reveal, right? I mean not only in this scene, but like the 25 30 minutes building up to this moment The like just having it be focusing on the characters reactions to the dinosaur at first without seeing it And then the big wide pan over to reveal the dinosaur. It's just the perfect way to do it Well, and it's so cool because Samuel sells it perfectly that there's a man who's known about this stuff for so long and he he can't believe he's actually seeing It no way this is real Just like it's dinosaur, you know like he can belly even out of the words Yeah, and uh, you see they are absolutely Stundening all from the fact that they're able to experience this at all And then I love the fact that we have the direct comparison of right up to the lawyer He's like we're gonna make so much money The focus the values so clearly in tow. It doesn't matter How overt something like that would be because that is exactly what he would be thinking about because it's just true And you know what? Highlights something so fucking annoying There's a line in the newer ones where it's like people got bored of dinosaurs We had to genetically engineer new things because you know dinosaurs just meh eventually it's like fuck off Zoos are still functional and beneficial Like the the idea that dinosaurs like you've got a worldwide audience that have to come to you To see that something that you can't see anywhere else the idea that people got bored of looking at dinosaurs Especially when there's so many dinosaurs you can even create and showcase Yeah, I think the number of species that we're at now. I think we know of this. It's in the thousands now, right? Um, probably I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah that there's an incredible amount of variety And even if it's just it's I mean the the fact that they have this attitude is a testament to the failure of their own creativity And a failure to recognize what made dinosaurs so Terrifying and awe-inspiring in the first Jurassic Park movie Like if you can't make dinosaurs work with people in a movie, then you're just a failure I I think it was just a An actual worry from the higher ups that when they make their new Jurassic Park films They need to go further than t-rexes because that's boring now Like a complete misunderstanding of how any of this works And so they actually put it into the narrative for why it happened Like because people are bored of them. It's like I don't believe you and I'll never believe you It's never gonna happen. I can't imagine I'll ever get I'm not even bored of seeing Jurassic Park multiple times watching exactly Yeah, I'm not bored of seeing you know Like animatronic and cg dinosaurs imagine they were real walking around that would be uh, the idea just it's annoying Um, there's just another element of this is why it would be interesting to make a series of videos probably about Jurassic Park and how it just broke apart gradually Because uh, there's so many different ways that I think is so clear on how they misunderstood Or maybe they didn't even care. Maybe they did understand but they were like, well, no, this will be the way to make more money though And I mean that film made one and a half billion dollars. So It seems to me it is very difficult to fully respect the story of Jurassic Park and make a sequel It almost seems like incompatible You definitely just you know watching the lost world. It's like Why though, you know, it's just like this film ends this film has an end. It's done. Its story is told It's got to keep going. We've got to find a reason to keep because it made too much money It's like mando. It'll just keep going until it doesn't make money Jurassic Park was at the time of its release the highest grossing film of all time Um, which is so cool. Really? Uh, well, and it's uh The fun little fact or in terms of like that et was because it was jaws was not like no Jaws I think got number one Like it was the highest grossing film when it came out in 1975 and then star wars beat it a couple years later And then steel uh steelberg spielberg comes back Um for et in 1982 and then he holds that record for another 11 years until Jurassic Park his own movie beats it out And then we see the same thing happen where titanic comes number one And then it's like another, you know, 11 12 years and then avatar also james cameron Ends up being number one. It's kind of interesting how long those two have uh have had that top spot like individually Well, yeah, I know this point to producers is like you guys just have a magic power This is not something that necessarily is easily recreated because I would even can see that about james cameron to some extent I don't know. Uh, I mean Yeah, I mean the thing is james cameron just earns props kind of forever just for like the the incredible films that he made before It's just a shame that I don't I don't really get what his goal is with avatar Well, people want it mentioned, but I think we've said it a couple times. Yes The music the music is making a lot of these scenes that much more significant and memorable. Uh, yes It's it's iconic And it helps that they're in all of these I mean like real I can't believe we're saying this but they're in real places. They're out in an actual field. They're out in an actual like The woods, you know And and it just seems like an obvious thing to do and nowadays with all the green screens and everything You just like it when people go out and film in places Because if you go out to the place, you don't have to like CGI a place or green screen a place You can just go out there and stand in the dirt And it looks like real dirt That is also who's the composer just like, oh, you know Just don't williams Um, and then yeah, we get to see all of the other dinosaurs as well All right, we turn around and you see them like in there or an ecosystem And it yeah, it's like grant says, you know, they're moving in herds Like it's it's fun to see him essentially have You know speculation and and and things that you can only you know Speculate on because you've just got the bones and everything to get to see their behavior, you know in front of him It's just all so very cool, isn't it? Well, no So alan is like, you know, the natural question after seeing all that is like, how how is this possible? And then you have this delivery from um adam burles like i'll show you like he's very um He's so genuine. I believe he he I think any normal person Would easily be like, well, i'm not going to show you anything about how he's created patents and uh specific Sort of just like seeing how the sausage is made. We're not going to let you do that You know, you can see all the results of the controlled environment He's genuinely invested in being like look at what we've achieved. Look at this. Isn't this amazing? I mean you see it again in the the the scene in the board room where you know, the lawyers like, dude We got a chart like people will pay like they'll pay to a lot of money to go see this And he's like, well, no everybody in the world should have the right to see these animals Yeah, like here's even though he has misguided There is a real earnestness and um and and a good intent behind what he's doing compared to Yeah, just like the greed of the corporate side of just well, this is going to make us so much fucking money Um, it's it's cool because the film presents It presents like a gambit of different perspectives. There's not just the fundamentally correct and incorrect perspective There's like the dimensions to the correctness or incorrectness of the perspectives He's a showman, yeah Yeah, even here. He's like, you know, say hello and he's he's he's got his lines and he's saying oh, they're gonna add the music in later It'll be really nice and everything, you know, he really enjoys the spectacle and making people, you know, enjoy things and Hey, he's pretty consistent throughout about that until the end when he's like, yeah, maybe I uh, Yeah, you know Best idea Well, like even him interacting with his video self is something he clearly put thwarted to He was excited to show people like that alone. It's just like yeah, he he loves entertaining people And uh, it's just a really good idea to have as the creator of the park being That was his motivation instead of just a money man sort of that speak But i'm also glad that they have the money man in it I say I hate the dna mascot. They should have gone with a different design It's gamut fringy. Oh, you like that. Uh, I bet that really blows your mind well Well, now I know So, uh, before I give my POV audit, what's uh, what's the beef with the dna man? I just don't like the way he's looking. I first off, you'll notice that in some of these Depending on the background that the dna character is in front of his mouth and features can be extremely hard to distinguish Because he doesn't have like a body to him that can separate him from the background Um, I don't uh, I just I just don't like the don't like the design here I have all the little circles and stuff. I just never So the reason I like him so much is because I take this whole scene to be such a representative of the problem It's such a goofy and fun like Um, oh, mr. Dna. That's where you cut well to be fair. I'm talking about his design as well Okay, so he's he's like, uh, everything he delivers is also fun and peppy He's a series of circles that are all different colors. He's kind of like a clown like of a cartoon And and we're treating this all like it's a big Uh festival showcase fair fun thing when what he's describing is literally the power of a god Like what they've done is insane. They can create life at will And they can take it from like all of history, uh, which is what I think they could have done that with uh another design But mine is just one in terms of like artistically the Kind of the way that it kind of blends into the background in some of the scenes where I don't think that was intentional Because the mouth doesn't have like a he doesn't have like a head So depending on you know, like the background the the mouth just sort of disappears Uh, that's just all I would just change it up to something different Well, it's going to be a rushed project So you could definitely see it as having in-willed reasons for why it's not as efficient as possible You were just highlighting how he uh, he wants to reassure them. It's going to look better and be well It's going to be better by the end okay Oh, you sound sound like you're aggressively agreeing No, no, no, I get it That's that is a reasonable thing because it is not finished. They don't even have the final music and everything And maybe this is dna man, you know, 1.0 Maybe in future they'll be like, oh Let's change the design a little bit and you know work on things because yeah, uh You know, it's impressive But uh, you obviously have Malcolm just getting further and further interested in staring at this thing like Yeah, he leans forward and Looking Well, so I like it because it is um, you know, the whole time he's been sort of a goofster Like he's a very chill So, you know, he's like a very chill guy But then as he's starting to be fed I mean, you mentioned it before more like he comes across as the he is the first and the harshest in terms of his Flat rejection of the notion of Jurassic Park Yeah It's like a begin. Yeah when the science actually begins and you begin to understand like white. This is how it's actually sort of happening Yeah, which is almost disturbing when you can think about many of its applications, which is the same for all technological advancements That's like a warning you always have is I think Creighton has written several stories that regard that specifically I'm pretty sure Westwild is going to be another Plenty of crossover themes between this and Jurassic Park Westwild and Jurassic Park um So Robert said he would be back in a few minutes. I don't know what's happened I don't know if his power's gone out or anything, but of course He can jump in Whenever They just don't know what else to do other than continue talking about Jurassic Park. I suppose we have to um So, yeah, uh, they say like the geneticists will take over where the DNA strands are incomplete From what they draw out of mosquitoes that are fossilized within amber And then they fill in with uh frog DNA Which to me I have no idea how viable that would be in science But to me it it stretches over into this is our sci-fi take like, uh, I'll believe it. It's not unbelievable You could buy it You know, um, well, would this film be considered sci-fi? Uh, uh, yeah, it's definitely science fiction. We can't make It's just it. Yeah. Yes. I don't know if I was gonna say I think I was gonna say on paper I think yes, but a lot of people associate. I think Jurassic Park with more action adventure almost Um, well, I mean, I'd say that science fiction action and adventure aren't like incompatible They're almost like different ones, right? Like if you were thinking about what uh Types of genres exist in film. It's like you can have, you know, like an action adventure. That's a fantasy or science fiction um Yeah, I think that um Someone said it's too soft. I'm guessing when they're talking about like the elements of science in it Um, but I'm not sure if that would be because it's like soft and hard science fiction As genres, uh, I'm not I I have no idea where this would sit Uh, we kind of saw it yet. Well yet is kind of the relevant part about science fiction compared to fantasy is there is a level of You're trying to present it as plausible To some degree rather than outright magic. Um Even if the technology might be infasible or we later discover that it's impossible or something you know like, um And so I imagine Jurassic Park would Jurassic Park would surely be science fiction Yeah, it is Yeah, I figured that that wasn't even up the debate and and I guess it's um and and It's partially just stems from I guess as well the the desire to to to some extent provide explanations for uh For you know, for how it works is what the whole scene with them in the laboratories is Or this whole sequence in general is okay. Let's you know, we've presented the information of dinosaurs are here Let's make some effort to explain how it all works Um, and it's all relevant too, right because it's all like reinforcing and building up um The uh, what we what we see later the main example of that would be the nature of the breeding of like, yeah No, we all of them are female. Uh, we we have the eggs here like we want to control this environment We want to um We're gonna control the population on this island only to later find out that They have been breeding on the island itself that like all that the efforts that they've made to try and control them have just not It's just not working like it's not working as intended that's kind of like that vibe throughout the the whole scene um of of just a Watching what they've done with a level of awe, but just a sort of question mark above it all like Hmm Not too sure about that it's um I I uh I'm just thinking about like what else I would want to draw from uh from that scene Well, I mean, it's it's also the instance where it's explaining like with the mosquitoes, right? And we saw it in the opening scene of the film if it was it feels very symbolic, right of like, um The mosquito trapped in time as it was And then just you know using the science to extract that material that's been trapped in time instead of just appreciating it for what it is now like the same with the fossils to then draw it out, you know draw it out kind of like In a way that feels like Uh, you know and then and then uh start to breed dinosaurs from it He's rapid con gloves here the vr. Yeah It's funny to look back. It's like we did this with vr I can look at it like I am Well, there is kind of that like it's it's kind of charming at this point Like a lot of the technology back then of like, oh man, it's super advanced these computers and you look at it It's like it dude. It's so early mid 90s It's like yeah It's so it's all the monitors and the the the way that all the files and everything look and the Hacker stuff and uh when that when they're sorting through to like get all of the the systems back online How it's all presented with these like 3d uh It's like presented with all of this 3d Like like screens and stuff instead of just lines of you know code or text It's charming, but you know And also like the line where where he says here. No, we have no animatronics here You know, like it's that's kind of like a like a fun meta line You know the animal, you know, like the the puppets and animatronics sort of work in this film It's it's done so well that you don't even Think that they are and you're being sold in almost like two different ways that these aren't really, you know, you're not really Looking at animatronics and In universes saying no, no, there's no animatronics here, but but it works, you know something I find interesting about That we see so much in the film and we we see it here like, uh, I mean here it's it's pretty sharp of uh They're in the lab and they watch the new dinosaurs, you know hatching from the eggs And all of the scientists like can't help but you know be like in awe of this like they love it and particularly like, um It's it's just uh, it's just so fascinating, right? It's like the scientific interest Like pulls them into it, but then you know at contrast sharply with when they're in the boardroom And even with for how cool it all is and how much they they really love witnessing it Just the uh the need to push back that like this probably isn't a good idea It's kind of like interesting to present though. I guess it's more so it comes after the velociraptors Can't resist comparing Uh So like this is like roller coaster showcasing in the form of a ride their god powers Which is having obviously different reactions from different people, but by the way very happy they included all of this They could not have What they decided to make it seem more like a theme park that and the uh the information on how it all comes together They could have just skipped it. It could have been like, yeah, we cracked it Yeah, these science stuff, you know But it it just helps add to its believability. I was like, yeah, this all seems like, you know It doesn't break the bounds of reason. I could buy into this concept and Um, so that means, you know makes the fact that there's dinosaurs running around in this park Like a believable thing but like this to me as well It feels so applicable to the whole because we're going to get to his speech soon about how what he says Malcolm applies to Our feelings about modern ip So to speak but this feels like Hammond is like It's it's unfair because hammers much more. Um, I would say ethical than disney in terms of not necessarily ethical His characteristics are much more noble In terms of he wants what he wants is much more, uh, desirable as a trait then just to make money So to so to speak. Yeah, he wanted the world to enjoy and experience dinosaurs as they were Um, it's just sort of a failure to realize. Yeah, that's the thing They were and they're not anymore and and you have all these fun and colorful and interesting things It's like replace it all with just, you know, mandos on his ships Swimming around he's got baby Yoda and the Boba Fett's there and he's flying around and Luke and Kenobi are all there With their lightsaber swinging around. He's like, isn't this great? Look at it all. Isn't that wonderful? You're just like And then you're like, how do you do this and instead of all the side stuff you see here? It's all of the the AI stuff to make Respeech it to quickly do CG to then they have Tatooine as a set They're like, we've used this as an astonishing 28 times. I bet you didn't know and you're like No Getting our money's worth out of this one. Yeah, I'm like, it's so effective so efficient Um So, yeah, I I find it uh fascinating Um someone said uh, I would actually disagree With the with the plot of Jurassic World people would totally start creating hybrid dinosaurs due to boredom I would like a correction. I don't deny that there's a chance they would create hybrid bored Dinosaurs, but nobody's getting fucking bored of dinosaurs not happening Especially when there's so much variety like people don't get bored of real animals zoos. Yeah If I feel like that's that's such an easy comparison dinosaurs going to be so much more incredible Than your average like otter, but at the same time otters are really fucking cool to see Yeah, otters are great and so Yeah, the idea that So fast too like up already getting bored isn't this they seem to be functional for so long in that film, right? Jurassic the Jurassic world park Yeah, um, you you'd be fine you that that place would be stocked to the brim uh for so so long People all around the world would want to come see Yep Yeah, they don't have anything to worry about there in terms of interest and attendance Like if we had a park running for maybe 100 years, I might entertain the idea that it's becoming incredibly normal Uh, but like I said, if we just talk about zoos are still going just fine. They don't need to hybridize a lion with a eagle to make enticing animals to see the zoo Sponsored by Verizon wasn't it Something like that But yeah, uh that we get a scene that's just another one that's iconic and against being shown in reference It's actually in the thumbnail the birth of a velociraptor And uh, you can't help but compare Hammond in this moment to like what feels like god Seems like this is a creation that I have managed to produce almost fully And here it is and and what I love about it so much is his attitude. It's just filled with wonder and excitement Yeah, um, it's so kind of adorable and uh That there's so many different tones to go through if you're designing the scene You're like you want to capture that because that is very much in line with his character Then by the time we hit the end of the scene if you remember the shot You have uh, woo telling grunt. It's a velociraptor and his fucking expression You bred raptors like what like are you insane sort of thing and he just looks down And he himself is holding in his hands of a velociraptor alive. Yeah, like uh, so great Well, it's uh The the contrast of you know at first the ore right for these animals But then even for as much as you know, the the scientists like really Are just enamored with them It's just you know every now and then it's just oh, but wait like you shouldn't be doing this Like that just keeps coming back, you know It's like a back and forth I quite love the visual by the way of the automated robotic arm airing for the eggs. Yeah Seems uh, pretty appropriate. It's like that's pretty cold, isn't it? some It's it's I don't know. There's there's a lot to be drawn from it. I think of like uh, the nature of how we have Built it like tools the use of tools one of the most impressive things our species does And we've gotten to the point where we can now generate life ourselves with our tools And it's the tools that are like ensuring the care through automation, of course, which is going to be the big downfall of the park Yeah Um, and it's the yeah, just the impressiveness of how it looks it looks really darn good And it's all just puppetry and that's all practical. Yep And I wouldn't do that anymore. They wouldn't do it anymore. Yeah, it'd be fake and it would look to varying degrees of fake and There's an appreciation that you have with it Do you remember? Actually, wait, you go first because I'm I'll set up what I'm talking about I was just gonna say it's kind of lame that you can do it with a little puppet But then this is like but nah, what nah Why would we do that? So that's moment where it's it's hatching has always been so it always struck me as just excellent scene and uh, I remember when I was like, I'ma give this whole uh Little Jurassic world thing. I'ma give it a chance. All right, because I'm nice and I'm I'm putting it on the screen but This is the hatching scene that happens immediately in that film. It's like the first thing you see I remember thinking to myself like man Fucking sucks We're we've we've we've regressed it's gone so far back It's like and it again just strikes me immediately is like look. It's the thing. It's the hatching dinosaurs. You like this and it's all cg It's like, yeah Yeah, that's uh, yeah It's the thing sterile. That's what was just said. Where is Robert? I'm I'm hoping he's gonna come back at any moment I am not sure. Oh wow Nice, uh, nice timing there Uh, oh there he is. I'm sorry. I had to jump on and make an appearance and be humiliated Wait on Spanish on a Spanish speaking show on my channel. They they they do a uh, uh, They they they show me a title Of a Spanish a Spanish title of a movie and I have to guess what it is Oh, okay And uh, it was I thought it was I even said Jurassic Park But it was the Spanish title for slither and I didn't get it I see but now now I'm back Yeah, so um But I was thinking Jurassic Park. I was like, oh, okay. Why not? Wait, so now I'm here. I missed out on a couple scenes, but we're all right. We're still relatively early on I was just showing the wonderful audience How much we adore the hatching scene in Jurassic Park and how well executed it is Oh, it's The way it shot the characters what it can mean what you can draw from it and stuff But I then was like Just reminds me of how much I was immediately put off when I was watching Jurassic World that their opening scene is a cg hatching I was just like, yeah, I mean Again, another great practical effect You know, I mean stan Winston studios a peak. It's so good And you believe it It's all about believability So well done Sorry, uh, okay. I'm gonna get rid of Jurassic world unless I end up fucking referencing it later I don't know. I seem to be doing that a lot. I clearly love it. I think one of my memories of watching it was with my My sister And I was so like just in a poo poo mood throughout it because I already um I don't know what the feelings are in Jurassic Park three. A lot of people feel uh 50 50 on that I think But at least I always had less hatred for that movie just because of the fact that it's got a very specific goal to Not at all be like this, uh Well lost will rain. It's just a it's like a rescue movie and that's about it um, yeah, I mean Look, I don't I don't hate The lost world and I don't hate Jurassic Park three Because I think that there's something in every man's dna that loves dinosaurs like perhaps Perhaps that from 65 million years ago. It's part of our you know, whatever the human dna thing is We have to love dinosaurs. So I'll watch anything That gives me dinosaurs eating people Or flying dinosaurs or talking to us or after maybe Yeah, whatever. I'll watch it. If there's if there's a If there's a dinosaur, I mean even whoopie goldberg's movie that, uh When she was in it with partnered up with the dinosaur I will watch that and um So I don't hate Jurassic world and I don't hate Jurassic park three But they're not good movies Do you hate the sequels? Well, yeah, the the Jurassic world I I the thing is here's the thing I again I I find them to be uh, what I what I hate about them is it's they're just They're not necessary And and I do appreciate they've made, you know, a billion dollars a billion plus It's great that they're they employ people and it's great that they make a lot of money for the studio But at the end of the day You know, if I had made Jurassic world dominion, I would have said it a hundred years later and and the world would have been the the The danger that that Hammond created Actually was the demise of mankind and the reason it's called dominion is because The world was was destroyed And uh, that's an idea. I guess why I guess that's not the right I'd take But I mean, but if you think about it, you've brought back an ecosystem that that was when extinct and it's an ecosystem that shouldn't exist And it would have been interesting to see a hundred years later What would have happened to the earth? Um, and you know use it as a metaphor for global warming use it as a metaphor for the decline of Western civilization, whatever But what would have happened if life finds a way? Um, it's not just the dinosaurs. It's the ecosystem that comes along with them Oh, we would have shot them with bullets and that's the thing for me The reason why I can believe Jurassic Park is that there's several civilian level people and they don't have access Great access to weaponry, but this is why I hate the whole like we're gonna get dinosaurs in the military It's like no, you know, that's not well. No. No, but but but but here's the thing you can't You can't like like you can't kill every dinosaur the same way you can't kill every you can't kill every bit of wildlife But you seem like they'll kill every land dinosaur That um pretty easily when we didn't intend to do it We've hunted a lot animals to the point that they nearly became extinct with worse technology And we weren't yeah, but okay. Okay hitting on a second. We're talking about a fantasy film franchise All right. We kind of about how guns. No, we don't we absolutely don't have to do that Well, we have to find a way that works, right? So what I want to do is you got to find maybe generate characters who want that to happen So they facilitate it in some way. Yeah, however, however, it's however. It's done. I mean the reality of it It's not like hard to do it Yes, but here's the thing what if Here's how I would do it What if the unintended We talk about dinosaurs, but what about Sub microscopic what about a virus? You know If you want to wipe out humanity and bring in dinosaurs. Yeah, that's another way you could do it You know And the thing is the the unintended consequence of bringing back these large creatures Is the microbes that live on them. I mean, yeah, it's a stretch No, I I I'm much more in favor of that idea that we bring back dinosaurs We also bring back an ancient disease that wipes But you're also bringing back But a whole you know, there's a there's a um There's a phenomenal series of science fiction novels Uh written by david gerald who is a star trek writer and i'm kind of obsessed with these books And the series is called the war against the ktor And the premise of this series is the earth Is invaded by an alien ecosystem That begins at the equatorian level and it spreads outward And it is a it might be we don't know what we don't know how it got here It might have been on a meteor or whatever And this ecosystem is is millions of years more advanced than the earth's ecosystem And it it is slowly taking over the planet And uh, it's a fascinating series of books, but the thing is he never finished it He's only written four books ecosystems don't really get more advanced per se um as well Because like evolution's not like a race to a no, but but imagine if you had all of a A different planet it's not that it's a race, but it's a different ecosystem from a different planet like a spore That is is is much more It it I mean hey, it's still a science fiction novel it digs in And from it starts with a virus The ecosystem we don't even know it's here. It's a submicroscopic virus that wipes out Uh a large swath of yeah things here don't have immunities to it. Yeah, we don't it's the same thing and and that's what happens It when I say it's an older ecosystem It it it's it's it it was developed on a different planet with different environmental conditions and we are not equipped to um Fight against it. It's like a color out of space or annihilation. Yeah, very much versions of those movies Yes, and the the books are incredible. It was so great And and that's kind of maybe that's why because I've read these books like four times all the way through Um, that's what I was thinking about with Jurassic Park It's not just the dinosaurs they brought back and this is a stretch But you know whole that's how you do it ecosystem Well, yeah, uh sattler does mention it. She she talks about how um, we have no idea what to expect by bringing back Not just them but the will that they thrive in can be brought back with them at least to some degree because they bring back Fauna right of different kinds. They're not right and using the tech to bring back dinosaurs They bring back all kinds of things And one of the things I've always thought about like the environment um our environment You know if you think about it all of the creatures on our planet Evolved over millions of years together So there's a reason why Well, some of it. Yeah, no, yeah, some of them are together But a lot of them are independent of each other when you have like australian things of that nature Well, that's why you have like invasive species But you still have they all have to live within its atmosphere and there's a lot of consistency through it Yeah, that yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so but yeah, but what what I what I mean is that all of these things that exist I mean, yeah, there are places where One species never had to fight off another species or whatever, but if you go from the sub microscopic level All the way to our atmosphere You know, um We don't understand how migrating species in africa might affect Asian The atmosphere in in mongolia, for instance We don't even have the technology to even conceive of how that might work Because our entire biosphere Is and like, you know, you said baller. It's the same atmosphere We don't even know if there's something going on on our planet Atmospherically that touches everybody that breathes it human beings We go 40 feet Below sea level we die in the ocean We go 10,000 feet up a mountain and we need Air to breathe will die Our own planet only allows us to exist in a certain bit of it so What does that mean globally? and uh entirely And the whole thing about Jurassic Park one of the things I loved about it as a science fiction novel and one of the things I love about Michael Crichton's work Um, you know the thing about Michael Crichton who wrote Jurassic Park is he was a he he wrote and directed westworld The 1973 movie that the tv series was based on He wrote that and directed that movie And and people forget that Michael Crichton was a writer director. He was a filmmaker And uh, he he wrote and directed the great train robbery and um He he Jurassic Park was a later. I mean he created the tv series er And so he was a man of science He disclosure that was a movie with michael douglas and demi more. He wrote that book So michael Crichton who who created this franchise Was an incredibly diverse and um Interesting storyteller and he was a doctor in real life So, um I don't know where that earth is barely habitable Well in a way it kind of is depending on who you are or where you live Okay, and and I think the dinosaurs um One of the things that look there is nothing cooler than dinosaurs in a city And I will like like and and I've always said There is nothing that is isn't made better than the application of ninjas or dinosaurs I mean Really inherently, I mean and but but but like imagine we all love godzilla and kaiju But but dinosaurs one of the great things about Jurassic park not to jump ahead But the raptors in a room In a structure when dinosaurs one of the most iconic images in cinema history Is the banner falling over the t-rex Well, yeah, that's because that's often the image is thought of with Jurassic park Yeah, and it's because You're like the in congress nature of a t-rex in a in a in a in a building Is that I mean that that's it man And that I think that's the great appeal of the franchise, but I didn't mean to derail the conversation. I apologize There's an element that's true That I think I was talking about it when we were watching the movie the other day And I'd referenced it before but a lot of the times what makes something terrifying and immersive is where it is Uh, we find places of safety places that are familiar to us And if you put monsters into those sorts of places, they become scarier because that's not where they belong Monsters are in the woods. They're in the caves. They're another man under the bed Yeah, they're under the bed Yeah, but but when you take these things and you put them into extremely familiar environments where they're extra out of place It brings along with it this implication of you know immersion and believability and it makes us very uncomfortable 100 percent By the way, yeah, when you have dinosaurs running around in a kitchen chasing kids He's like, oh kids. I know what those are a kitchen. I've been there like oh That's you know, I can kind of imagine this really really happening Well, it's it's interesting to consider because a dinosaur doesn't have a conception of what these places are We do we know what a building is but like a dinosaur doesn't it's just an environment that they're trying to figure out But you nailed it. I mean that that's exactly I mean, I think you just defined The entire horror genre. Oh my god And uh how it works You know, one of my favorite movies of all time and one of my certainly my favorite horror film of all time is The Exorcist Because on one hand, it's incredibly goofy You know the idea that the devils come up from the hell to possess The the soul of a young girl Well, Zach Snyder specifically told me That uh devils come from above Ah, that is that is a line There we go. That's a that's a thing what I mean But that movie makes you believe just like any great movie any great fantasy film Whether it's horror science fiction fantasy It has to make us believe And the great thing about Jurassic Park is throughout this film it Like when you're watching these little eggs hatching and these little hatchlings come out The the the great thing about it is we're all going to They're so cute. I mean we have that whole puppy Instinct and I have eight Uh weak old puppies in my house I mean you have that wait just like just You have eight weak old puppies or eight weak old puppies I have eight puppies that were born a week ago I saw images of them they look cute I'm just trying to picture this in my head as you tell your story Yes and and but but but that's when you see these These these dinosaurs being born they're like Are our instinct of of wanting to protect and wanting to love and wanting to Hold them and pet them. It's so great the scene the movie Makes us it suddenly makes us the viewer going these dinosaurs are we love them It's a it's a it's almost like a non malicious kind of entitlement Totally Yeah, what a great very well put As we run with that angle for the the sort of opening but the scene does end on an ominous Ominous look and tone. Well, yeah, you know what these things become, right? Like yeah Well, it's just like um, what was his name rex? Damn it from the simpsons rex. Uh, well the the investigator like, you know, baby alligators might seem cute that they grow up that Oh I don't know if you ever saw um tiger king, but like One of the bigger ways they were able to sell a lot was the the baby lions and stuff baby tigers They're all like the the ones everyone loves to play with is super cute But there's just like an age they'll they'll be like it's not even for very long before they become lethal You got to get them away basically Uh Yeah, if you're gonna be a caretaker of those animals There's very specific ways that you interact with them so that they won't just Mull you in the face the second they get they have to you have to behave in certain ways And you have to make sure that they see you as a certain thing. It's it's complicated. It's dangerous Well, it's um when you see like alligator or crocodile people who work with them a lot of what they'll You know say is like they're not my friend, you know, like like and and the animal doesn't consider me a friend um Like it's it's kind of You know when people sort of oh the animal loves me. It's like careful Like, you know, like not all animals are the same Not all animals are the dog that you had since it was a puppy So be careful. That will be big old fans of you for sure, but it's like yeah an alligator Yeah, careful Yeah uh Hammond then wants them to like go have lunch and talk about the wonders of the park, but uh Allen's like pushing to see the feeding and to find out as much as he can about these and Then moldoon turning up and saying like they should be destroyed. They're lethal at age well, but and uh, uh, you know Hammond's like, uh, he's a it's a bit of an alarmist, you know That kind of guy It's a don't worry about it. Like it says nothing to panic about and um, I just like the the the feeding Sort of straps and stuff they get torn to shreds Yeah, the rustling leaves and you're just left on all the characters reactions to it But you don't get to see it because you don't need to see it It's it's scarier that you don't and that yeah the effect it has On the environment and the people watching and then yeah, it lifts up and it's covered in blood and destroyed Which is a double whammy right in terms of just look at the ferocious power, but simultaneously They're not prepared properly. That is obviously not the best way to feed them if it's going to result in your technology getting destroyed every time So yeah, this is still clearly a new process for them A level of um, I don't know if I'd say inefficiency, but uh, it ain't this is mark one feeding delivery system It could be mark three at this point. It's not working out It's just uh, and it's it's something that gets mentioned, you know later on when they they're at the, uh Tyrannosaurus um enclosure and then they just put the goat there. It's like T-Rex doesn't want to just be like fed a goat like on a on a slab, right? Like the animals have behavior And the way that they treat and take care of these animals clashes very heavily with their behavior because they don't really understand their behavior They're like animals humans have never interacted with before It's like the notion that you could meaningfully affect control over these animals when you barely even understand how they behave You know, it's like bound for disaster really Yeah, because like we already have that problem with animals today They're not taking care of well in a lot of like the worst zeroes Um, so imagine doing it with something as the the power in dinosaurs. Yeah, exactly I do love this thing with them talking to each other in the board room. It's so great. It's really efficient Everyone is within character and they raise some really great and very uh Deep thought points about how everything's going. I just like the uh the inversion, right? The lawyer guy when he comes to like, you know, the investors, they're worried like if one thing's wrong They're going to pull your funding and then as soon as he sees all the dinosaurs. It's like, so this is awesome We're going to be merchandising this we're going to charge like $10,000 per ticket You see in dollar bills It's flipped right the enthusiasm of all of the scientists It's now, you know, it's it's very muted and it's all just focused on Hmm, you probably shouldn't be doing this and the fact that yeah Malcolm is the one who was like the most fervent in saying you shouldn't be doing this When originally he had the most like laxadaisical sort of chill attitude about, you know, coming here Yeah, it's just interesting, right? There's a reason uh why he's the because they treat him as the he's the trendy one They're bringing in to get like approval because he's probably good in his field But this is a seeing that he's good in his field He is good in his field because he in any setup, you know in the scene with the uh The the velociraptor's hatching, you know the the life finds a way like you The illusion of control that you think that you have here is Is uh, it's ridiculous and and I think he says like the lack of respect essentially for like the powers that you're playing with here are staggering Like it's it's actually offensive to him how little regard they're showing for what they're doing Um, and then of course it culminates in in that classic line You were so concerned with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think whether or not you should The classic love that line. It's so good It was funny. That's um, I really enjoy the line, but his His speeches, uh, which I repurposed for talking about the state of mcu and I think it was the black widow video um So he says like don't you see the danger genetic power is the most awesome power this world has ever seen And you wield it like a kid with his dad's gun Which is something a lot of people will reference with anything going forward It's just a really great way to explain what you're doing Like because children are oftentimes they're not ill intended with the gun necessarily But they're just right around guns are cool toys and it's like that's not respect you need There was a there was a line. I remember an assassin's creed three. Um, where uh Like connor he's just assassinated this guy and um He basically the the guy believes it like connor the main character is is idealistic and just doesn't understand the world And he says you you may wield you you you wield your blade like a man But your mouth like a child just the notion of yeah, you're very competent, but like your ideology is so Like narrow and and um and underdeveloped like that. I don't have any respect for you kind of It's uh reminds me of that Just sort of the clashing of like yeah, your means that you have here to achieve things is incredible But you just haven't thought about it. You just haven't thought it through Um, you're just not seeing the bigger picture almost Yeah, uh Because I'll just say the this power didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others have done You took the next step. You didn't ruin the knowledge yourselves On the shoulders guys It does hit hard especially when you package it for uh for media For Jurassic or Jurassic Park the ip. Yeah, you didn't you didn't have the discipline to acquire this ip You didn't do all the work to get it to where it is. You don't even understand it Well, is that not just a great representation of Jurassic world as a whole like a whole series Yeah, you do what he says you stole the soldiers of geniuses being Spielberg and all of the army of amazing people that made this film And then to accomplish something as fast as you could they rolled out Jurassic world as soon as they would realize they had that potential And before you knew what you had you patented it patched it and slapped it on a plastic ludge box So now you're selling it selling it selling it selling out merchandising and all of the the attempts box office growth Of Jurassic park Jurassic world as a franchise Man, and you could just apply it to so many things you could apply it to all of the franchises that have been run into the fucking dirt Yeah Fantastic example alien Predator Yeah, all of these classics, you know 70s 80s 90s Why why do you think Why do you think it is that These franchises obviously I understand keeping the IP going But why do you think IPs are I I would dare say that perhaps the mad max franchise because the creator of that franchise has stuck with it George Miller has been involved with all of them but why Why is it that the incentive to make to to make IP? to continue a franchise is to make money and yet They're not as good as the original and and it's a law of diminishing returns and all we do is see These great franchises that you would think are no brainer brainers to continue Why why are they not? Why are they not done? Well, what what is like? Jurassic park is not exactly um The most difficult franchise in the world to understand and yet When it goes on we don't get Greatness in them. Whereas if you look at a franchise like the mad max franchise I mean some people when uh beyond thunderedome came out in in in 85 people were disappointed by it And I understand it. It wasn't the roadwork because that was amazing mad max 2 was amazing However, it was if you look at it as far as it goes and you get to fury road still respected But the Jurassic park franchise Even after the first film is the law of diminishing returns So I think I just don't really know What it is that was great about the thing that they're copying um it's It's like when you're looking at a great piece of art and you don't It you just sort of see what it is. It's like, oh, it's a bunch of people on the ceiling and all these guys in robes and Oh, look at that guy But you don't really understand You know underneath what the stories are about or the effort that went into it or the thought process behind making it They're not copying the things It quote unquote soul in a way. They're just the thing as it in its most superficial sense Uh, they're trying to copy what people think of not copying the process that made it a copying like the results Yeah, almost there's no skipping to the finish line in a sense Why they're all they're painting the finish line. They're not painting the you know the dash there I um, I'm now thinking about video games Often get sequels. There are a lot of video long running video game franchises that have been running for like 30 plus years That still feel new and fresh and are of high quality like mario or legend of zelda um Like why why is because video games get sequels all the time I think that video games Like if you were to present to me the premise of do you want a sequel to a film or a sequel to a video game? Like which do you think is going to have the better result? I generally defer to a video game because like finding an excuse to keep a story going Is a lot harder than we have a game here that has mechanics that we can like expand upon and further develop um Then attach a story to finding Yeah, and and you and you know some games aren't very focused on story other games are and they find a way to make it work But if you're like trying to continue Jurassic Park It's like that's kind of challenging because this this film ends so conclusively that finding a reason to Come back here and to keep telling this story beyond the simple incentive of making more money It's like that's kind of challenging Like that that's really hard and some in some respect It could be harder than like creating the original story because now you've got material set in stone And you have to try and move on from there in a logical way that keeps the original story intact While creating something new that people enjoy and if and and then you combine that with cynicism You combine that with greed a desire to push these things out of the door to make more money And a lack of respect for the craft and a failure to recognize what it was about the original work That was so great in the first place. I don't think it's any surprise that you get a lot of bad results It's why good sequels to films are often like exception rare. Yeah rare terminator two being better than the first terminator It's like that's how often does that happen? Well, hey, that's that's not that's not better as alien A lot of people think turn into one is better. Oh, well, sure. But like but but basically everybody universally agrees that terminator two Was a great film. Yes And that is Yeah, so people to look at a uh At like a a film sequel and go, yeah, you know what that was an improvement and not not totally unnecessary like as a project to even exist Um, but the necessity is money, right? They want to make money and franchise is really good as a company because What would you rather bankroll as a studio something that may or may not latch on with an audience or a sequel to something that It's proven to be popular like Jurassic Park I think the more interesting examples are going to be sequels at any point in the franchise be at two to three Three to four four to five one to two. Um, but that are made by a different creative team and are still good. That's very rare Because um when you have terminator one and two, I think that makes a lot more sense James Cameron's been he's like attached and in Doing a lot himself But the idea to go from Ridley Scott to James Cameron Not to say that there's an implication of like a lack of talent moving from one to the other Just the fact that it's a different Very very different voice creating a sequel and yet Alien and aliens and people have fought over for a while. Which one is better, which just tells you both of them are fucking great um well um And then of course you've got examples where because I just saw someone mentioned in chat Puss in Boots tour is a hell of a lot better than the first Puss in Boots. That's like Way way way way way better. That's very recent as well. Wrath of Khan has usually considered the best Star Trek movie, right? Yeah, as far as I know, I think Rob is one of the people that you very much like a picture, right? Uh, well, here's here's that that this is a long conversation which I did with the drinker for four hours Um, and and by the way, can I just give a shout out to the critical drinker here? Um, no I I can't okay. Yeah, you can you can't yeah I'm a huge fan of his story analysis and moller, you know, I'm a huge fan of yours as well And I think one of the great don't worry fringy. We'll get there one day I just don't know you guys is the first time But I do I do have to say that that um It's weird because the the Story telling analysis is something I've been like Great stories is something I've loved my whole life And the analysis of what makes stories great Are also something I've loved And and the drinker and moller are two people that have Really delved into what makes a story good And I think that I believe that storytelling is one of the most important things human beings can do Since the days of when we're putting cave paintings on walls to to to document today's hunt To where we're at now Understanding why stories are good Is important It means something as Richard drive is saying close encounters, but um So so story analysis to me is a very important thing to do I completely agree and Right because that's as a story analyzer. I agree. Well, I guess the implications. We're doing it beyond reasons of korea It's it's very much. Oh absolutely Many people say we are beyond reason that is true It's true and then they get pissed, but the thing about Analyze stories are are are how we convey The truths of being human And and what does it mean to be a human being that lives a finite life? And all stories are are in some way referencing that and this Jurassic park the the the tale of Jurassic park Written by originally Michael Crichton like in the novel like Ian Malcolm dies Spoiler alert in the book. He dies um in the first book and I know but but but This kind of storytelling analysis is meaningful in the sense that That Jurassic park deals with a lot of of fears of technology fears of hubris of mankind thinking they're gods I mean, there's so much going on in this tale That as much as it's hey, it's a fun movie about Dinosaurs coming back to life in a park But it does have a lot to say about us as people in a technologically advanced space And what I love about it seems well, absolutely Yeah, you know and the ethics The ethics Ian Malcolm's idea just because you can do a thing doesn't mean you should do a thing And you know now in the last I mean what's really interesting Isn't it fascinating in the last two months or three or four months? AI whether it's mid-journey or chat GPT that AI has just jumped on us like in a way It was designed to be released at a certain point All at once because it As a matter of fact, maybe all these companies are a little bit of collusion If you want to believe in that sort of thing and I do because they did it for a reason Because they have to interject these things in culture. They can't they they they disrupt and and it's interesting But what I love about this movie Is even though it subtly does this it makes us ask the question that Ian Malcolm asks But all through this I want to go to Jurassic Park I do I want to see real dinosaurs and if they could do it if they could bring them back I would be the first person on that plane to East Lanubar and be like, hey man But at the same time I understand the danger and I think that's why this movie works Because we Want to be there Oh, yeah, yet we know it's probably a bad idea. This film is fully implementing that but it had the balls to Criticize it completely. Um, I know and that's the big part I just you know what I love this movie. I'm talking about it with you guys. I love this movie Very good. I want to go watch it right now. I've got I've got the 3d Blu-ray And the 3d conversion is great. I was gonna say how does the how does the 3d play out? Is it it's really good? I mean it it like 3d convert It's too bad that in especially in the united states 3d tv failed utterly But the discs the titanic top gun Jurassic park Incredible 3d conversions and I have a lot of other 3d discs, but Jurassic park really works in 3d I mean, it's it's it's pretty great And now you make me want to go watch it again, but of course I have to wear the glasses I'm sure my glasses that I've put new batteries in them because they're dead But um man go out 3d glasses need batteries Really? Yes. Yeah, how do the Really? Okay. That's interesting. I didn't know I thought they'd All right. There's active and passive. Uh, yeah, they're there because they they flicker And uh, the if you have active or passive mine are active. So yeah, my 3d glasses need batteries watch batteries Yeah, they do Okay, so yeah the scene uh I like some of the ellie mentions here is that they've got plans for the way that they look around different parts of this area, but the One or several of them are poisonous Um, presumably if you eat them and it's like it's another representation of how the approach to the show of it Is not considered enough at all to encompass safety And um, you get Malcolm you get her you get uh, even the lawyer not providing the kind of support that Hammond is necessarily looking for Right, because he's like we're gonna charge so much and he's like, okay fine You know allen you're the one that can uh help me out here Right, you're the one that can see the value you or you understand You know what's going on I just love the libraries like dinosaurs and man were separated by 64 million years of evolution They've just been thrown together. We have no idea what's gonna happen It's just like only full boating reasonable thing to say, you know, yeah that happens like fuck's sake Talk about the nice Yeah You're an archaeologist or you're a paleontologist. Throw me a bone here Yeah, he didn't say that unfortunately though. He didn't but he could have been an excellent way It was on the director's cut commentary track. Yeah, they wanted to You know Yeah, um The kids arrive and the habit says now let's spend a little bit of time with our target audience It's like yeah, because it makes sense that he wants to entertain everybody But I imagine there's a lot of fundamental enjoyment in bringing all the children's eyes Gonna be the kids I remember being one and loving dinosaurs, man But funny because like just all ages though dinosaurs are amazing It is kind of like as we touched on it early But it's like why it is like, I don't know. They're like they just are they're big lizards with big teeth and claws and they lived in a Savage world, you know, where everything was wilderness far before civilization was even a Thought, you know, they have really cool names to a different world with different beasts. It's wild Yeah, cool names are a cool name because we think dinosaurs are cool. Or was it a cool name always? Dino soul. It sounds pretty unique. I don't think it's not like edgy It's like I would talk about why does sauron just sound like a villain name It's like, I don't know. It just doesn't it sounds well That's what it is. Yeah, so dinosaurs from uh The greek and then the modern latin it means terrible lizard Wow Dinos and sparrows I don't know if i'm pronouncing that correctly. All you greecians can uh, let me know but yeah terrible lizard neat um So yeah, you have uh plenty of moments for alan having trouble with the The kid who's really interested in his work because he's so experienced like the fact he's read his book and he's just like, okay fine let me load uh Yeah, it's just funny that he's like which car you going into ushers him into another water that just closes the door on him it's like Desperately try to get away from kids and you even have uh, ellie sending the girl to to hang out with him Because they all just want to have fun He's actually a little bit more concerned with the existential crisis of Being able to create life at will especially in the regard to these horrifying monsters, you know a little bit more going on for him But still, you know, it's just something of a beat they keep pushing forward in the film um And then I think they introduce yeah, we've got the storm coming which uh on a fundamental level for writing um, some people highlight like aren't there a lot of coincidences The fact that the storm is happening at the same time that denis is doing what he's doing at the same time that tour is happening I thought The tour was why denis had organized it to be now because everyone's very distracted with their first ever visitors Seems to make the most sense to me and it also pushes it to the point where um The park is getting ready for earlier launching Which means they've probably got all of their genetic stuff in the bag Which means it's stealable for denis so that timing makes sense to me But the storm is like yeah, that's that's that's uh, incredibly inconvenient but um Once you've gotten past that it obviously allows for a lot of extra things to happen um, the And the storm does slowly arrive There are scenes where it's starting to rain just a little bit and then the storm You know starts coming and you know, we'd have to see how Common storms are in that part of if we were really going to analyze it You know how common are storms in that part of the world and you know, it's not like they're in a desert So it's not terrible. Yeah, and like you said, they do actually know it's coming and they prepare for it. Um It's going to be alongside this avatar is from denis. It's going to be a big way to facilitate a lot of different payoffs So that pushes you into the portion Where things are going to start to fall apart Significant uh, oh because you got I quite like uh Ammons on the little headset trying to show off everything about what they've got They've paid like a special dude to get the voice over in the ours And see that's like showcasing the park element of it and they're all excited to see this thing It's being described and they don't it's like oh and I to me There's always been an indication that it's like, yeah, see it's still Fundamentally is kind of what robber was saying earlier There's still stuff that would appeal to us no matter what philosophy we can come up with for why this is horrifying You just want to see the dinosaur doing dinosaur things And what's cool as well is the one they're describing is the dilophosaurus. I think the one that Yep, uh, they're like, oh, it'll spit, you know venom or whatever it That people paralyze them blind them and then eat them without difficulty Once again foreshadowing for what's gonna happen to an unfortunate person in this film that guy is eaten that is um It would have been several meals For a officer. Maybe maybe I don't know how much they need to eat. You know, I'm not familiar enough with dilophosaurus diets My bad. I know um, but yeah, they conclude the storm going to be super dangerous and Conjunct with everything else that's going to be happening. So it's like a warning to keep an eye on it and at the same time You have their computer systems are not fully operational. So another downfall of this whole system is that they're relying a lot on automation and uh as as few people as possible, I think which is The the more explicit evidence that as much as Hammond keeps saying we spared no expense. It's like He's always looking to spend Whatever the amount is necessary to get the thing done, but no more. He doesn't want to like go further than that and so from his point of view Paying Dennis and the few other workers. They're even here Hopefully they can because I think Dennis even has a line that says like You can run everything in the park with like three people Because of how automated everything is um, but obviously that all falls apart with like one click of a button and Storms fucking with everything and that reliance on technology allows the door to swing right open for nature to take it's uh Response and all of us being argued over Dennis not being paid enough Hammond trying to uh, sort of justify it and even have Hammond with a line that I think We're supposed to think a lot about as the film goes over But he says I don't blame people for their mistakes, but I do ask that they pay for them Uh-oh paying for mistakes. Oh my goodness So, yeah, I can't help but imagine that's going to be on his mind in the last moments that we see him in the film um And yeah, uh, they they bickering gets like cut off by Muldoon Like warning them. They're approaching that uh the tyrannosaur panic Yeah It's uh, it's it's done with such a like he's so he's so concerned to the point You wonder if he actually thinks any of this is is remotely safe I think it's a matter of it should be And all things point toward it being but you don't quite know exactly what's going to happen And that's that chaos element they keep talking about um Mollie uses that line to fire people it was a It's just not a bad line in general Because you know, it's trying to acknowledge that you don't want to hold people in some kind of perpetual prison for their mistakes But you want Uh something to be rectified as a result There's a well it goes into a lot of lines here There's a there's a deliberateness to the script everything that the characters say is it's all about making you know setups It's all about this will mean this later on and this will be paid off in this way This was not this is not what we call an accidental script No lots of purpose I think by here uh More you pay attention to this movie the better it gets and the more foreshadowing shadowing there is on the themes and their execution Yeah, because on a surface level it's it's a fun dinosaur movie Um, and even though it's but even though it's not incredibly complicated in terms of what it's trying to achieve It's like there's a lot of details there The the line from alchem soon where he's like god creates dinosaurs god destroys dinosaurs god creates man Man destroys god man creates dinosaurs Uh, which is fascinating enough to himself and then she says uh dinosaurs eat man woman inherits the earth And it's cool because you get him being like curious about what she's just said and now Over yeah, he's just smiling like She has a couple of digs like that in the movie throughout uh More characteristics going on, you know Oh, and this is where yeah, you get the line from I think alan's saying uh T rex doesn't want to be fair. He wants to hunt Yeah, that's right The behavior is not being recognized by the um the park Yeah, which makes me wonder as well combined with what mildew knew about the raptors in a sort of insufficient way He's uh, he's delivered to someone who knows the most about raptors. I think that's what hamon says But I do wonder how much he really would know compared to someone like alan grant who Studying them in depth extensively and historically as opposed to a hunter who's studying just their behaviors Uh, you know in a very controlled very controlled environment Probably a lot that they both know um how much of it's overlapping. I'm not sure Well, yeah, there's like the theoretical knowledge and then the actual like this is what they actually do Comparing it to what real creatures do, you know Yeah, that's the problem is moldoon's information is going to be so limited because you don't get to see them operate in any kind of Like you how can you know anything about how it will work to fight against them in an open environment? When that's something you could never see One of the things that's interesting about the film is moldoon and grant Um, you've got grant who's been a paleontologist. I love the fact that Muldoon has been a guy that's worked in the park, you know, he he's come to know these creatures None of it's theoretical. I mean he's he's coming at it from Or he's working explicit information, but It's it's a very skewed piece of information. I guess all the information. Oh, I know, absolutely But I but I love that that juxtaposition between a guy like the park ranger You know the the the british colonist, you know Who's here wearing wearing his what is it his pith hat or whatever and Pith helmet and the the the scientist who shows up who has no actual real experience It's a great. It's a great juxtaposition and it's not they don't hammer home That idea but it's definitely there like one guy has Real-world experience one has scientific theoretical experience and I I've always liked that about the film that that they don't hammer at home But it's still there the idea that somebody has actual practical real-world experience And I'm sure alan grants going god. I wish I I Why why why wasn't why wasn't I brought here a year ago or or five years ago? I've been in this dig in montana or whatever You know, can I can I live in montana hunt for right october? It's like come on and it's It's an interesting thing they do in the film. It's I love that though. I love that you have these two different guys That both in a way love dinosaurs Because they both do well. They're the ones that I say respect the dinosaurs the most. They're the two. Yeah, yeah Better understand and know what it's just this whole situation what it is um Indeed And it that's the thing it was just a really great choice to have such a breath of different people with different histories and understand the values of this film Yeah, you just get to see what each of these people with the traits Sort of built up and then how they change over the course of the film A whole bunch of different perspectives on basically the same core question of is this a good idea? Yes, or no, and why? There's that line you can't suppress 65 million years of gut instinct Great So then you don't know what you brought back is uh, you're treating it like it's the little toy You don't really know It's an experiment, but you've got it like it and it's like this whole arrangement of Let's get the cars and the motorized track come around and then get the dinosaurs out for Everybody needs to go look at them. It's like what Why do you think that you can control them like that? Like that they're interested in performing for your theme park, you know That's the is so straightforward and narrow minded as an approach Um, but yet it makes so much sense. So this is how it would go. Yeah, I could I think that's um When you think about how stupid Jurassic world is so much of it comes from the implausibility of the way that everything is run and handled Um, whereas like here you buy into it for all of its flaws They all seem like the kinds of mistakes that people could make Like that you come up with this idea of a theme park for dinosaurs It's like that sounds awesome But then actually making it work. It's like well There's a lot of because I mean obviously some things work, right? They've created the park itself They've created the enclosures that got the electrified fence and the gates and everything It's like yeah, that's all thought through but then there are the potential issues that can stem from that Especially when it gets sabotaged. There's like the inherent idea of Trying to have ancient animals sort of behave and comport with like your Goals both monetarily and in terms of the show that you want to present to people Yeah, you just buy into it as a place that could exist compared to like in Jurassic world where it's stupid That's the big thing for Jurassic world the way that the indo Indominus rex is what's called right the way this is so beyond stupid Where it was sabotaged that made everything go wrong and it was a chain reaction of everything And they give you all the information ahead of time They tell you the dinosaurs are a lot smarter than you probably think they they're not like your average sort of Lounging animal these things They're like the top of the world when they were in their Prime and that they they remember they have critical thinking they they test things like they're And you see the t-rex even he tests the fence before he breaks it apart Uh, yeah, it's yeah, it's just um Obviously with the raptors too. It's it's it's all stuff that they deliver to you extensively that you see it all play out and uh, you're there you're right in there Um, oh, yeah, and I think this is where we get an explanation from Uh, Malcolm of what he means about like being a caustician. I think is how it's described, right studying A caustic is that is that actually a caustician? I might be saying it wrong. It doesn't sound quite right, but And he's a mathematician, but caustician just doesn't yeah, but there are weird names for things that don't quite like sort of roll off the tongue Um, hmm studies chaos theory, you know, because uh, I think Hammond calls him a mathematician. He corrects him on that Caution Caution I could have sworn when he says it in the film. I think he says caustician But I can see how it sounds clunky, right? Caution sounds Oh, so yeah wikipedia says chaotician Okay That's chaos theory. Yeah, okay. Yeah, chaotician that fault. Hey, you know The whole point is that the name of the the person who does Chaos mathematics as we still know we have no idea what the who knows true. Yeah Well, yeah, the way he tries to explain it to ellie is like you would assume Based on information you had what is going to happen next, but it doesn't and then he explains like it's because of Imperfections in the skin or the way that he has moved the dilation or distending of vessels It's like there's reason behind it But it's so chaotic in terms of information that you can't have known ahead of time that you'll get results You'll never be able to predict That's a really good layman's Inseparation isn't it? Yeah, because it's super super straightforward And then I like that You've got to be like hey, are there any dinosaurs on this dinosaur tour and you just have habits staring at the screen So just love that He's like a troll Yeah, he's a fun character bring it in some of the biggest criticisms while simultaneously being a bit of a like jokes to type Let's just hear for the ride as well He does come across that way. He's uh all about them ethics, but at the same time you'll go wherever life takes him Like he is the chaos element. He is embraced chaos He's like oh chaos take me away It's kind of the perfect environment to put this guy in He is in the backseat of the jeep and his journey through life. He's just being driven Um, well, yeah that he's like nobody could have predicted Alan would jump out of the car And then ellie and then he's like all that I'd be sitting here talking to myself like yeah Don't expect all this shit and I'm using movie There's plenty of little jokes that can land really well throughout this. Yeah You try and nail it all but you have a focus, you know, it has no velociraptor saying Alan No, that yeah, well, you know, that was a dream sequence. So it's okay. Oh, it's okay. Okay. No judging. Yeah, no judgment If it's a dream, it's uh, yeah, it's good. We're all good Oh, yeah, the reason they're able to get out and even check out the triceratopsis because they don't have as This all these systems aren't complete. There's no locking systems on these cars yet They're all they've been built from magnetism to the rails And that I assume as well is going to be an awkwardness to how the locks would be controlled Can it be controlled from inside or is it only from The uh, the security like control room and if that would be even how viable is that In terms of you gotta be careful in case the system shut down for whatever reason but In any case Muldoon says like we we're supposed to get the locks sorted out It's like haven't like there you go. People are just coming off the tour at will And um Yeah, we get the uh, the triceratopsis which again To me comes across as another attempt to trying to get the awe an incredible nature of dinosaurs Before they give us the stuff a lot of people will be waiting for which is the more aggressive Dinosaurs right and this the fear of them chasing you and stuff It's like there's a lot more to appreciate about them than just big spooky lizard The triceratops animatronics are great kind of incredible, yeah Yeah, because it moves with um You know, I think that's it goes into the like both animatronics and CGI They're they're believable not just because they look pretty good, but Are really good in some instances, but they move well The breathing You know, it's it's this it's the breathing that that sells that that uh animatronic Gives it life Yeah And that's hard to do You know of uh, uh, I as well Incredible. Yeah, absolutely. I mean the the it's so well done And all that you know, there's guys and girls and people making these things work. They're in the background Doing all of that and it's really beautifully done. I mean stan winston You know before he rest in peace stan, uh before he passed away He put together the very best of physical effects makeup effects people in hollywood and Jurassic park is a great example of what they were able to do. It reminds me of um, how when the prequels came out There was a unified complaint that there was too much reliance on cg not enough of the practical that the og films had And then I remember the promotion of force awakens. They were like Look at all this practical stuff I remember them they they had like the one of the aliens on stage In its like full out finish being like see look look at this like it's amazing And it's funny because you skip forward to the end of that trilogy and it's just a mess of cg Like um, it was it was even the respect to the idea of having practical effects was superficial It was like we have this because people like it, right? Like it's never from the ground up for why you have these things or how they're built or what they do It's just oh, it's it's a good film so it has to have special effects. I guess that are physical or practical And you're sitting there like well, it's more than that man Like you don't it's not because uh, I have to push back on this every once in a while There's a lot of cg hate that's happening Um, it even comes from me as well and I always want to try and refocus to be like well It's not cg is amazing. Um And this is a film that has it in in spades as examples of when to use it properly I'm looking forward to it. It's all about how things are employed Yeah, I mean it always comes down to the use of things So, uh, there's there's several shots. I want a good example of that Yeah, sort of like uh go into a little bit deeper in terms of like slowing it down and stuff because it's kind of amazing in this film how It's using cg better than like all of phase four Um, yeah, oh my god Yeah, because I mean ant man and the wasp. It's not even a matter of it's gonna age poorly It just looks bad now. I think that's one of the things that I've started to as more more tech As more time passes between these films and the technology gets better. It's like the Why is it that some things age better than others? And it's like it's got to be the way that the technology is employed because you can have You know, two things come out at the same time you look at it with a lot of video games, right? There are certain video games that age way better and a lot of it can be attributed to art styles Like, you know win-waker is the go-to example that game won't age basically at all Um But but even games that kind of go for like a little bit more of a realistic look It's like through really great art direction in those cases in here. It seems like it's just It is how you use the tools not like how old it is or even how much it is. It's just how you use it completely agree But yeah, uh, Dennis is about to enact his plan He's got a limited amount of time to get to the boat because the storm is going to speed up it's Leaving the island because it's getting dangerous um So he needs to do this now and so he sinks it and uh starts grabbing the stuff But of course the effect is he's going to try and Lower all the security so that he can not only get out But it can cause chaos for these guys so they're too busy to deal with him I'd imagine that was all the goals. I don't think he's ever explicit about exactly why he's doing all of those things You even have um Samuel Jackson's character saying like why did he lower the fences? And the interesting thing to note is that he didn't lower the fences for the raptors Um, which is commented on I think is it mulledoon later says like no even Dennis would have done that because that's Yeah, when they were going to the power station. Yeah, he tells it to ellie as much as it's sabotage That's how much that's Dennis knows that releasing the raptors is a seriously bad idea Um Yeah, and he has this moment where he's like, I want to go to the ferry machine and pick up Is this something you guys want about anything and it's just like It's like, oh boy, can you look any more suspicious, dude? And I do like the it's reasonable that he said it, but I just love like where is Dennis someone check the vending machines Like I think that's what happened. So yeah I'm gonna check the vending machines, which is weird because I just don't think he'd fit in there But I guess he might as well. I gotta look right. He's gonna look everywhere Got a look you might be in there Um, and yeah, you have what are the the few that I love back and forth between Um, Malcolm and Alan right like how many kids like oh, yeah three anything that can happen will happen or It's the murphy's law thing, right? That's murphy's law. Yeah, so Anything that can happen will happen. Wait, what was once I said interstellar was I said anything that can go wrong? Will I think Murphy's law is anything that can't go wrong will go wrong Whereas what they said in interstellar was the other one anything right? I got it backwards. Yeah. Yeah um Yeah, interstellar fucks up what murphy's law is even though it's weird considering one of the characters is named after it It's named after it. It's a big part of the Oh, well every time um Every time I go through that or find out about I always have to end up googling some stuff So I always get mixed up on the laws as well Um, but obviously you don't want to get mixed up in the script You want to make sure about that? I don't know. You're fucking a little bit awkward. Uh Maybe that's foreshadowing for eventual coverage of interstellar or deep dive But yes, uh, what Malcolm's referencing then is that a different law or is a variation? I'm genuinely asking because I'm not actually sure if one sorry anything at all can uh and does happen is what he says I think uh Anything canon does happen. I don't know what that is. Yeah Might be a reference to something that ties Maybe it ties into chaos theory this idea that you know, it anything kid, you know, who could have known who could I Well, he's definitely embracing it the other thing. Yeah, like the fact that he says I'm always on the lookout for a future X Malcolm being that he's he's just going to embrace the uh, the journey of Getting married having kids whether or not there's the expectation of things going wrong because he's aware of how much Everything can go wrong all the time People say Murphy's look again Murphy's law is anything that can go wrong will go wrong. So like There's got to be something else, right? Yeah, whatever they say in interstellar is not Murphy's law Yeah It's one of the things I remember. I don't remember the specifics But it's one of those things that the movie does just so well It's always that you don't know Murphy's law apparently not Uh Till I go reading about it on the uh on the wiki pages because I thought it was one thing But mixing up them laws something I do Plenty no we're we're right about Murphy's law. Oh, well, I'm saying I do I mix them up. Um Anyway He's uh, you do be doing the stealing bit in this moment. You said do be do I do I I look for anyone mountain do, you know mountain do bottles. They used to say do be do be do on them Why? Because they say D. E. W. Is how they spell it do be do be do Yeah, yeah Yeah, that was uh, um He's stealing what looks to be like the core DNA for each of the dinosaurs and I always remember thinking like man I'm surprised they only wanted one of each you'd think they'd want a whole like No, fill a briefcase or something Because uh those things will be incredibly valuable we're talking like millions of dollars. I'd imagine Um, yeah, I might be underselling it. It might be yeah Maybe a barbisole can it is more under the radar than a briefcase You know if they're if they're doing checks for things you you wouldn't think to check you Okay, there's a can of barbisole Pretty sure there was a line for that in the movie that it was specifically in the can because it would be easy to get through like customs Yeah, oh, yeah Well in that case just you'd think they design it so they can steal some more I don't know. I just would have thought maybe several cans of Maybe it's too suspicious to be carrying more than one can of barbisole Well, I think he says you got to get one of each probably referring to the fact This is a one-time thing once you steal it There the the security is going to be insane and it won't be more like it won't be easy or possible to You know have a second go around so you need to Get the variety. That's what's important because this is our only chance So I mentioned they're embryos. I'm not actually sure. Oh wait. No. Yeah, it does say embryo Yeah, these are embryos. I thought maybe it was um The stages even before reaching an embryo, but uh Because of I don't know what stage of research you'd need to steal to get the guaranteed results, but yeah supposedly that would be enough And I think that like we talk about the deliberateness of everything and a lot of the symbolism of the script and I think that the can of barbisole is there to represent how hairy the situation is Yeah, yeah This is all because this this is where the tension really starts to rise up because you uh You know what you're in for with a movie like this and there's just so many red flags everywhere Uh all those fences going down all the setup they've had about everything the dinosaurs do Just like oh, this is not gonna add. Well, and then of course denis um Rushing so hard to get to the dock and uh Maybe do something that fucks up well I mean, I would say this this is Nedry is a little over the top character wise Neat in what way but he needs he needs to be I mean in terms of his whole persona I can believe it. What do you think is a bit too much? Yeah, no, no, no, no I mean I mean in terms of in a way he borderlines on caricature, you know in terms of a nerd computer guy Because he's fat Now Jay his whole persona Not just because his physical presence, but even the way he acts. He's like you don't know it Okay, I I go back to 1983's war games And there are two characters eddie deason being one of them Um, there is a certain way that tech guys are portrayed movies And I I would say that that this is I mean at the same time sam jackson Counterpoints that he's the he's the cool like suave black guy who knows what's up sort of thing versus this That white guy, you know Yes, and and by the way He needs to be that guy so you understand his motivations and all that But but and and and again, this is why speilberg is a great filmmaker Nedry does has to be over the top to understand his motivations I I think so I think because Well, because when he could have been he could have been they could have swapped samuel l jackson's character Could have been nedry's character and nedry's just you know really greedy and unethical But he plays it very seriously and he's more toned down Um, and and he's a bit more serious in a way. Absolutely. You could you could go that way But would it be as fun? Would it be as fun? Well, definitely if you make a character less fun, it will be less fun But I mean but I mean in terms of of from a movie making standpoint It's well, we would have had more of nedry being the the samuel l jackson replay if we swapped him, right? Then we'd have the fun guy who's trying to fix the situation instead of the fun guy. Who's the one who caused it so Well, how are we figuring out what's who's fun? Um, well, here's the thing. I I think that nedry is There is definitely a stereotype. He is fulfilling in the film and it's a stereotype we've seen And Back to movies all the way. I mean 83 was war games was the first time I would like the irreverent hacker Kind of well what I was gonna say. I feel like uh, I feel like he's not an irreverent. He's he's just a douche bag um, I mean Sure Like I I guess what because I'm interested by this comparison of like if samuel jackson was told to play a bit of a douche bag who's um Complaining he's not appreciated for his place and he's for money reasons going to sabotage the whole area meanwhile, we have this other character who's like the Chubbier white guy who's like, oh no, the whole system's falling apart We've got to get this back up, you know And and even does the whole get eaten by dinosaurs in an attempt to reset the circuits like I think all that could still work I'm curious if um That's why that's why I thought you meant like him being like this super overweight sort of Uh, it's it's not about being overweight, but he's definitely a nerd stereotype I think I agree, but I don't see that as any kind of issue like yeah, I don't think But I don't know. I don't think I don't think it's an issue at all. I think it's a shorthand And I think you need I mean look they've got look at the wrappers on his desk and all that. Yeah, I mean Well, so actually I'm gonna I I assume I'm gonna agree with Robert All this one that I actually do it annoys me when they portray Even fat people would be like they're just gonna be unclean I agree and I I would say I would say that that it is But here's the thing At this point in the movie it's there's a there is a nerd shorthand that's happening And I think it needs to happen because it's a shorthand in terms of storytelling and and and here's like look I I am a geek myself. I've been a geek my entire life a nerd call me what you want I've been a star trek fan. I've been going to conventions since I was 10 You know and and I There's nerd stereotypes for a reason now There are things like I I hate Big bang theory one of the most successful sitcoms of all time, which I feel has has has It's not racist. It's nerdest But I I hate that sitcom. I hate it so much Um, but when you see Nedry and you see that They definitely play into that tech. It's not nerd. It's the tech guy. It's not even a fat guy stereotype It's a nerd guy stereotype. It's because of the tech head Who doesn't get out much with this screen show? I was gonna maybe I saw some people being like wait what you don't think this lobs exists like oh, no, sorry If you look at this image, right? His whole desk is filled with rappers. The floor around him is filled with rappers. It's like I mean This is before it gets knocked off the desk by the way. It's just like come on I don't mean to be I'm not disparaging anyone but the way it's and that's what I mean It's not just him. It's it's like Any person Who is a tech guy? Is or girl or them whatever you want to they're interested in making sure their equipment is working well Yeah, yeah, you know most people don't want rappers and and detritus all around them But they shoot it that way because they're trying to make you understand in a very quick shorthand Who he is? Yeah, because I was gonna say this definitely it can support the character Him being a yeah, and there's nothing bad about it, but well it shows that he doesn't really care that much about His job, uh, his he because we've already said he's not paid enough to do this. He doesn't feel appreciated So as a result, he doesn't keep his workstation clean. Yeah, so it's all very cold and and but but the thing is like Here's the thing. I don't think that it's it's not about You you need to have visually in a movie you need to be able to convey Um, uh, because he's not a very well-developed character. We see him make plans and he's very thin And I do think that that one of the great things is because you have to This is a terrible thing to say But we as the audience When he dies And this is a terrible thing because it's become by the way since 93 it's certainly happened in star trek and it's abhorrent um They kill people like him and and people think it's okay to do it And I would say that Jurassic park was People have taken the wrong lesson Well, he did a very very very very very bad thing And then I used a lot of lives and if I can I wouldn't mind right about this I so passionately agree with this What Nedry has done is maybe killed everyone here and release All those animals will suffer. He's he's done possibly one of the worst things he could do on this island And he's yeah done it for money And so watching him get killed by a dinosaur in a pretty gruesome way as they described it earlier You can as an audience member feel like well, man, you know, you did all of that and look what happened to you Like it's it's hard. It's biblical. It's biblical in terms of its justice Pretty hard, but They fuck this up in uh in the lost world for example. Oh my god. Do they It's it's actually difficult to watch What it was one of the most heroic characters in the whole franchise get torn to pieces by two t-rexes I it's been a long time since I've seen the lost world. I rewatched it last night And um, I remember the ballerice talked about because for me it was gordon from uh from 2012 I it always really made me angry because it just felt wrong Um for those who don't know in in 2012 there's a character called gordon who's like the stepdad character And he flies the plane He is he is essential for the survival of all of the characters And he's nothing but good to everybody And trying his hardest in helping people and taking care of everybody and then he gets grind He he gets caught some gears and and and gets crushed to death And then everybody just moves on and forgets about him. All he gets is john cusack saying oh gordon. No And that's it and they don't care anymore and they move on from any reconciled with his wife who gordon was going out with at the time So she don't really give a shit either. Um, and then Yeah, the lost world, right? It's like eddie is he's a hero He is like relentlessly trying to save the lives of all of the characters And his reward is getting torn in half by a t-rex two t-rexes It just seems wrong. It's so interesting because dialogue for him Or maybe two Yeah, because what was been highlighted about like how we feel about denis It's it's it's the exact reason we feel the the opposite about eddie Typically speaking anyway, it's just like I think this plane people would be like, ah, damn it. There he goes But for me, I was just like, why did you do this? Why would you show me this? Like he's there Like right until the bitter end. He's got his foot on the uh on the pedal To make sure that he can buy The main characters as much time as possible to escape and he just gets torn in half By raptors and then they immediately move back into plot and I think all they get is a line from malcom like Oh, he you know, he sacrificed his life which I guess is more than they gave gordon Like gordon was a complete slap in the face The entire family just I think that's part of it by the way if we were simply told He had done it eddie and and maybe even just shown him using the car and then we hear screams offscreen I was like, oh no, I guess he didn't make it sort of thing But like actually being shown that he recognizes the t-rex as he knows his window to save his own life is running out And he continues that's like some top tier hero shit And he gets torn in half and you know, I'm screaming and then and I think the movie is a lack of acknowledgement They carry it on drastic world You have the babysitter who's been panicking throughout the whole movie because the kids ditched her in order to do whatever They want even though her whole job is to take care of them, but they subverted deliberately She's panicking the whole thing is falling apart She finally finds them and they for some reason felt the need to have a pterodactyl grab her and carry her all the way over To the bozosaurus that eats the pterodactyl and her at once after she nearly drowns I'm not only after she was antagonized relentlessly by the pterodactyl it came back for her and started Yeah, like Swinging her around and everything and you're just looking at it's like, you know film. This just doesn't feel right I don't it feels a bit mean spirited and vindictive It's the tone. It's a balance of tone. How can it film present you something that is bad? Like I don't know like a hero character Dying right like when Schultz gets killed like in Django like that's a bad thing, right? Like him you see him die. It's like, oh man, not Schultz. That's like well, so but that's fine Right, it's like well. Yeah, because obviously that's the point right it's meant to be sad And it's like feeding into and tonally, you know, like and then like recognition after the fact compared to Like an almost like obliviousness as to what's happened Of like this this really innocent character just getting absolutely brutalized And it just doesn't seem like the tone recognizes it I don't like the eddy one for some reason to me seems like um I can understand how they ended up creating it, but they fucked up like the acknowledgement of what happened This scene I legitimately have nothing for why they made this scene is so Fun it's not fun to watch a hero get ripped in half by a t-rex. That's not fun Yeah, that's the opposite of There's very little acknowledgement from the story as to what he did I think that's like one of the complicated parts of storytelling Where like people kind of want to expect into mad acknowledgement Of like the heroic deeds of characters versus, you know, the dastardly deeds of villains People have this sort of sense of justice inside of them That's all it's like kind of innate and they don't like generally people want to see good things happen to good people Or and they want to see bad things happen to bad people the big thing is I think the important part is when bad things happen to good people generally, they're like There's an acknowledgement of the fact that a good person suffered an unjust end But you don't really get that filler daddy It's like we needed somebody to get ripped in half by a t-rex because that'd be cool, right? It's like it's just lame. I don't know. It's just it's the same with Gordon Getting torn up by those years. It always bugged me to me It feels like you can trace their scenes back to Dennis's scene And it's just it's like we got that scene where the character gets the Almost comeuppance from a dinosaur a very singular very rough moment Are you like did you did you watch the same scene as me? Because I don't know why you've created this this other scene with like the horrible thing happens What's the same with um, it's it's it's the same, you know with the clever girl Pay off and then getting torn to shreds like that's that's a guy who we think is cool losing Yeah, it's in y'all but it was yeah, and even even at the end with everything he knew I mean, it was it was close, but the raptor got him. Yeah Like damn, you know that sucks. That's kind of ups the threat though. Yeah Yeah, you know if if a if if an experienced hunter and somebody who's been a part of the park For a long time and who's learned these creatures if even he is destroyed It ups the threat in a credible way Where where the audience is like, oh that guy dies Shit man Anyone's on the table like yeah And and and and I think from a storytelling standpoint That's a legitimate way To increase the stakes And and and while I hate that I hate that he's Killed It makes the movie scarier. What's the thing? I got nothing but compliments for how they approach Muldoon And if someone said like you see killing the babysitter with a pterodactyl and a Mosasaurus really ups the ad I'd be like no She's just a random lady who got picked up and it's horrible Like it and then someone would be like, oh, yeah, but that's it right. It's kind of horrible It's like no, I it's hard to explain. It's not the same It's like a meta response as opposed to one of in the story where I see Yeah, like why are you doing this to her? Yeah, I can only think about them constructing the film. I'm like, why would you make it this way? That's so weird It just seems really weird and callous kind of Yeah, while I feel like there's so much more purpose with all of those kinds of scenes and decisions in them in this film Yep, definitely But yeah, uh, I suppose That's the big conversation about Nedry That evolves into talking about all this Jurassic world franchise Jurassic park franchise, of course That's that's why I think Jurassic world really prompted the discussion of the uh, what is the difference between a reboot and a sequel? Because it feels like a reboot but really it is a sequel, but it's like But it's a different franchise almost. It's like, no, it's the same one I think that's what a soft reboot is right typically is that it's spiritually a reboot, but it's the same continuity Soft reboot came in as quite a popular thing to call it, but a lot of people have been using recoil as well Um, no, that's yeah, that's uh Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with that But I think yeah, it's a hard reboot is new continuity new timeline you carry over elements But it's new timeline whereas soft reboot is like spiritually. It's it's like a jumping in point Um, but it's the same continuity, you know So, yeah because the rain and him fucking around and being so desperate he eventually crashes and No longer knows exactly where he's supposed to be going and then Because of everything being shut down gates are opening and different things. He accidentally crashes into it I assume the Delofosaurus paddock or um, a place that the Delofosaurus has ended up in Uh, Mr. Nedry, which uh, actually, I don't know. Do we see all of that before that? I think we got the t-rex scene first which um I feel like the whole film has been very carefully building up toward it's building up to a lot of things But this is one of the bigger ones and it feels like this is the the first one um in a similar way you could say about the the brachiosaur and the triceratops, but This was the big one. It's like we've got to nail this. This is what people are at the city before sort of thing And uh, and it will forever be referenced as a time Where they absolutely bloody nailed Combining cg and practical effects Oh my god, I mean, uh, this movie is is a master class in doing that You know that that's up with the the tremors Oh, the visual of everyone remember Well, it's you know the idea and in theater when you saw this when it came out The bass the the the surround sound it came out and I don't know. I don't want to say this is the very first dts film um, but the the the digital sound processing of this in theaters was amazing because when you saw that water and you heard the It was pretty incredible in the theater They may not been dealing with stuff this big before So you get these like fun ways of because this whole scene is just build up build up build up build up And oh, yeah Everyone's gonna have lots of different favorite shots But one of the ones I absolutely love in terms of uh rags brought this up when we were watching But um something that seems to be benefiting this so much is having these animatronics actually being in the rain Yeah, having real water running down them Uh does a lot of help to sell these as being real Everything's in rain the cars are in rain the people are in rain The animatronics they're the puppets they're in the rain too. So the rain I mean they're real so it it makes them seem like they're you know really there like they're part of the world Well, I have to say that that at the time Part of the reason that they're in the rain is because they needed that to sell the cg Because it wasn't oh, yeah, the area that's the thing it sells cg and it sells the practical stuff Yeah, I mean all the way into uh 1998 when Roland emmerich did Godzilla Oh But but but but oh man don't get me started but that's the reason that the the This scene's in new york with the faux Godzilla rampaging were in the rain because rain was a great way to um Get rid of any Let's call it less perfect effect shots and it was an easy way to be able to transition between cgi practical and um practical effects and then just live action And it was a brilliant way to do it and of course at night things are scarier Yeah, and and better at hiding imperfections as well nighttime. Yeah, absolutely and and and unfortunately, I mean at the time Even though the effect this is another brilliant thing about Jurassic park The the way the effects were caressed into live action. It was so well thought out And the verisimilitude again the reality that was created across that film Was because even the people that were doing the effects understood the limitations of what they were able to do And they all worked together synergistically to create You never for one moment. There's not one shot in Jurassic park that I can remember That you say that that looks fake I don't think there's one shot. I think you act there that the the Every single effect shot is is amazingly caressed into the film. There is and that's I mean every movie even like Pick your favorite effects film. There's always one shot that you're like, okay I'll give it a pass one on one so not Jurassic park gonna highlight now. Actually just jumping ahead a little bit is where uh The velociraptors below them and it pokes a hole up through where they're crawling through and Uh, I was kind of just impressed by how good that looks the uh the velociraptor blowing that was completely cg It's like, yeah, I mean that looks better than a lot of shit these days Yeah, they nailed the way that it moves they nailed the motion The design of the shot and you had Phil tip it. I mean what's really interesting is you had a stop motion animator Making sure that the cg because they were stop motion animating models that they then Scanned in to the computer So it's a pretty amazing synergy of practical more so than just seeing practical effects on the screen But the cg effects were also designed By people doing stop motion animation, which is incredible incredible. Oh, yeah, it's it's really interesting how that can feed into making cg that's Like I keep saying it but it's just true the actively more convincing than a lot of 200 million dollar projects that are coming out today um And a lot of people talk about how it's it's because the animators aren't given their time It's it's less to do with the fact that they're like less skilled necessarily a lot of them can do That that running animation in ant-man There's not many animators in the world. I think that would look at that and be like that looks amazing. Like no, they know it's the uh the the quantity of work that they need to do and the time that they have is uh because like What 95 percent of shots in Jurassic Park? I'd be more than that even like 97 98 percent of the shots are not like cg Would be my guess they're just right. Well, you know real regular photography Whereas if you look at like ant-man, how many shots would have no visual effects like five ten percent? Maybe maybe well you you've just quantified uh a very salient point when it comes to filmmaking today Everyone uses visual effects as a crutch the thing Oh, we'll shoot is against a green screen and they don't think about the the the toll that takes in post production Well, you know, it's like it'll it'll help us it'll help us in in while we're shooting like let's use the volume stages or whatever But when you're dealing with post It's exponentially longer amounts of time because the people the design And and what's really interesting is it definitely translates. I mean at the end of the day All a movie should be concerned with Is what is the effect that this film will have on the audience? And when you when you look at like I always go back. I mean, I hate to keep going back to the mcu, but The reason that ant-man and the wasp Quantamania didn't work for audiences the way other marvel movies did is because they don't believe it They don't believe what they're watching you go back to endgame. I watched endgame last weekend I'm like, well, there's lots of people in rooms talking to one another or sitting at a table in a diner even the hulk And you buy it You you enjoy what you're watching Quantamania Everything's a goof You know, we're we're in a we're in a quantum realm We don't believe because it's not it's it it was designed by people On their screens. They never thought well So something I would interject with is why is it that avatar? I don't think avatar 2 is a good movie at all But like the production side of that film is incredible and that would have been incredible 95 but you believe it like they're underwater you believe they're underwater That's kind of the uh, the interesting thing is like so what is the difference you can have Films are like 95 visual effects. You can have you know, fully like rendered Like you see some of the cg trailers they make for video games. It looks awesome And it's like so what's the difference and and you look at and it seems like it's the intentional use of the technology and deliberate Thoughtful use of the technology with avatar 2 They spent what two years developing new technology to do actual underwater like motion capture Like yeah, well developing that technology to leverage it You but you just nailed it you nailed it in the sense that that The idea that that okay if you're gonna create a quantum realm We all the audience lives in the real world. We understand what what the physical universe looks like We understand when you are are looking over a natural vista What that looks like if you're going to create an artificial environment You still have to give us Cues some kind of visual cue to make us believe that it could possibly be real We need to laugh and and what's interesting about the marvel I I I'll flat out admit. I loved marvel phase one two and three I loved I love infinity war and I love end game For all of its end games problems. There's so much fun But what's interesting about them when you go back and you look at them um All of their fantasy sequences are are are conduits Like you go through the quantum realm and it takes you to new york Or it takes you to a rooftop. It takes you and end the stuff of the ancient one is not exactly convincing but but It takes you to real world places And I think the marvel cinematic universe. I think loki Failed in that with the time variance authority it pushed the marvel cinematic universe Beyond credulity. You cannot believe it anymore Because the time variance authority is terry gilliam. It's it's it you don't so When you bring it back to something like this Is that everything in jurassic park? Even the effects even as far as they want to push it with the raptors Or whatever you believe You believe because it's always in an environment that's grounded. You can have the biggest visual effects you want And that is a directorial choice Whereas what well, so what's happened? Well, what's happened now? No one believes anything anymore Because because the visual effects are not grounded in our world Like you have to believe that if we've seen pictures of of space We need to believe that I'll give you an example in star trek They have large capital ships That that move they have to and in our experience Capital ships are on the water. It takes a long time to maneuver them around They can't move like like star fighters So when we see capital ships They have to lumber even in space. They wouldn't have to you could spin end over end. It wouldn't matter. You're not constrained by gravity But or maybe you are if you're by planetary gravity. Well But we still have the experience of we understand ships on water. We get that You still have to make us as the audience believe And so much of modern effects work Uh, oh, it looks cool because and I blame video games Because when you're playing a video game, you don't have to believe as much That's why people love like the last of us. Oh my god. There's real emotion It's the cinematics are incredible. The acting is incredible But the gameplay can break physics and you're all cool. Like look, I love devil may cry I love being able to jump up 10 feet on a wall and pull out my And blaze out at and kill creatures but With movies you have to believe and what's happened is with the Jurassic world sequels There is no more verisimilitude. They do have those wide god images and effects You can watch the marvel cinematic universe and now it's gotten to a point where You can't believe any of it. They wonder why why why are not why are people not going back and seeing ant man in the Wask quantum mania. Why hasn't kang Caught on Because no one believes it It's bullshit And the star wars prequels and the star wars sequels were a bunch of hui In the long run nobody buys into it. No one believes it. Now kids will believe it like Jar Jar binks, whatever that's a no one bought into the prequels. Wow. No, they didn't they didn't buy into the Well, so this is the thing Because you were a kid when you saw him, right? Nope I what you think I haven't seen him since I was a kid No, no, but when when did you first see them? When they first came out, right? But how old are you? Um, not old. I was That that's why yeah, not old. But that what I mean is you're I believe them as an adult Well, I've seen them as an adult. Yeah, but you grew up with them like your first. Yeah Your first experience of them. But I imagine you to you'd concede everyone's gonna be different in terms of their line for breaking What they believe in is happening, right? Like, uh, you'll get someone who says no drastic parks a bunch of bullshit Dinosaurs aren't real. I could I could see that shit a mile away. It looks like a little robot It looks like a little bit of cg wait wait here, but I would say to you this in all of cinema history Dinosaurs all the way back to the 1920s the lost world willis o' brian Dinosaurs were portrayed in film since the dawn of cinema Not until 1993 Was reality established Where we could believe that dinosaurs existed I don't know. I think that depends on who you ask Uh, because there's been a lot of there's been a lot of that ray harry housing You mentioned, you know valley the guanji and stuff of that nature I think there's plenty of people who felt like that was very realistic and it was well very immersive and believable But okay Yes But I don't think anyone believed it the way I mean at the time I mean now we're getting into philosophy But at the time when people watch these things Look, I loved jason the argonauts when I was a kid the the battling skeletons And but even then as much as I loved it I didn't think it was quote unquote real That's you I knew I knew that I was watching a film, but Jurassic park Was the first time that in the history of cinema Where the audience could look at those images and go Are there really dinosaurs there? I think that is a hard disagree on that one I will because there were plenty of times. Uh, I think that's up to different people and it's not only up to different people Uh, it's has a lot to do with the expectations of the time period We're almost into a schism right as a maybe but but what what I'm talking about though is look the first time Someone watched a movie of a train coming into a station in the late 1800s people were freaked out by it But I said something about uh expectations that I find interesting because now I'm thinking about video games I I'm pretty sure this is true that when final fantasy 7 was coming out people like there's no way This is like the peak of graphics with like the pre-rended stuff that they were doing for that game Yeah, and then like you look through every generation right like the bar keeps getting set of how can they do better than that? This is like this is so I buy into this like I believe that these characters They're remoting and like I can connect with them and then it just sort of keeps changing with the times I would have to imagine that a Almost met a recognition of what we as people are capable of with creating art And kind of feed into what people will buy into as real and that it keeps sort of changing over time And it's a reason why Jurassic park is so interesting because even though, you know Visual effects have improved and everything like Jurassic park is still a film that you can really buy into Whereas there are other films that came out in the 70s 80s and 90s with visual effects where it's like It's not really working. You know like it's not really like yeah, it's kind of goofy now or it has an age very well at all uh Look at the way people looked at star trek the motion picture or the way people looked at star wars when it first came out It's like yeah, you could see how people were wowed and amazed by that But visually they haven't necessarily aged the best But but here's but here's but here's here's a thing I would say this like for instance in star wars when you when you when you first see Because I I I saw it opening weekend Now and I've said this a lot to people Um When you first see the the blockade runner and the star destroyer Yeah, never before in cinema history Did that kind of imagery exist? There was nothing in the history of cinema that Showed that shot that when the camera pan and The the the crawl goes away the camera pans down you see the two moons and then you see tatooine represented not as a sphere But you're you're you're there on the horizon. No one had ever seen that before and the way it was portrayed Created a reality because we'd seen orbital pictures of the earth and all that So there was never anything in cinema history ever To show us space the way star wars did So when the rebel blockade runner Goes overhead and then the star destroyer follows it the fact that it took so long to see that whole ship reveal itself And then when you saw even the light in the engines It created a a sense in the audience that this is real Because there was no visual language that existed before star wars Cinematically to give us any frame of reference I don't care. I see what do you say to the people who say Jurassic will does feel real to them Well, here's the thing now. What's happened is um, and that's a very by the way great question What's happened is our sense of Of the real Has been changed because we have a whole generation of people that have grown up with virtual cameras And and the the idea of of cinema has changed because of video games because of CG The the idea of reality on screen and here's another thing They don't care Because they didn't live in a world where cinema had to create You know if you go back into cinema history and you you deal with the the neorealists see like a Italian neorealism like open city roma open city or you go back to the french masters truffaut or Italy Antonioni That idea they never saw that so they grew up in a world where they don't care about realism anymore It doesn't need to feel real because they've grown up in a world with virtual cameras where anything is possible AI artwork, that's great. Why do we need somebody sitting there painting on a canvas? Who cares? so What they're seeing is something that they don't know the difference because they didn't grow up in a world pre-star wars So so what's so so in in one sentence. Can you tell me what the point of all that was? Hey rags Oh, no, no, I just like condensed it. I'm I'm losing I'm losing track here. Okay. Here's here's a thing If you haven't grown up in a world Where you saw stop motion animation When you see computer generated technology or computer generated imagery, you don't know the difference You haven't you don't know the difference between CGI and reality You don't know the difference between cinematic technique in terms of stop motion animation To reality for instance, if you were to watch a cg and what's interesting if you go backwards You'll see it If you watch computer generated Skeletons fighting johnny dep in a iris of the carambian movie You're great. I love it. Looks great. But if you go back and you watch Stop motion skeletons fighting jason and jason the argonauts. You'll be like that looks terrible That's maybe that doesn't look I mean, I can see that's that's a common pov. It's just that um We go through all kinds of eras and all kinds of people seeing all kinds of things It's funny that you seem to reference how video games are like This thing that you clearly can't get in this tune to into a sense of it will be real but it's like Millions people do Okay, look here's the thing video games are amazing I've always said that video gaming is the art form of the 21st century Cinema was the art form of the 20th century And and Jurassic park represented a a pinnacle Of cinema technology and that we finally believed That these extinct creatures were real Because in cinema and and and here's the thing You had to have you had to have lived through it You had to have watched these things and get to a point where Nowadays you can you you can go back and you can look at it all because it already is all there All I can tell you is that I went to the cinema As a fan and watched the evolution of this stuff And it was astonishing And sitting in that theater watching Jurassic park in 93 at the galaxy cinema on a hollywood boulevard I felt A change in my perception of reality In that I had been watching stop motion and I love stop motion All the way back to willis o'brien, but I knew even as a kid I understood stopped land of the lost, you know in the 70s But when I saw Jurassic park, I believed man I believed I don't believe that when we look at um like the evolution of the technology that was employed to make these films over the years And it was like mind-blowing I mean you see that Represented in just sort of the way that those films were discussed at the time and how they're remembered now like But it was it was the experience of sitting in the theater Because stop motion animation Is was constrained by the fact that you're dealing with a a limited Uh 24 frames you always had motion. I'll give an example So in 1981 a movie called dragon slayer came out that ilm did And they had created what they called go motion With empire strikes back where stop the problem with stop motion animation was it was click click click click click And what it didn't have was motion blur Because well, so something I will interject with is uh as a big old fan of odd man's work um stop motion animation is like a As like a medium I think I think it's almost worth water It seems like we're very much focused in on like examples of stop motion integrated into like live action films Like we terminate it like at the end of the film with the t100 But it's also where I think about like other applications of stop motion as well, right? Because like wallace and grommet like that's you hyper buy into that right like that those characters But but but hang on a second, but wallace and grommet. Yes. And by the way, I look look the wrong trousers is fucking genius I love stop motion animation if you go back to vladislav starry avich In the teens and the 20s in russia, you know He was one of the the the people that that pioneered stop motion But stop motion itself is an art form But like you say yeah when you start to integrate stop motion into live action like nobody Nobody ever would question ardman animation. I love those movies But when you're trying to use like how did you show before cg? How can you possibly show? A dinosaur In live action because it you could never make one mechanically that's 65 feet tall that that would you can't do it It was it was technologically impossible to do So you you use stop motion Now what's interesting about film? Is film is a succession of still images That are projected at 24 frames a second And and because of our perception of reality persistence of vision The the idea of motion is created But what we're watching is a succession of still images Projected at 24 frames a second, which is where stop motion comes from You know, you can you can click click click And so what happened was the reason when you're watching a movie that we Believe it is because there is our persistence of vision But not with stop motion Because there is no blur. It's it's a succession of Still images like when you pan a camera at 24 frames a second, there's blur and like Blur is part of our reality of perceiving the world So what iLM did was empire strikes back Uh, I mean we have blur. I see blur Well, let me you drive in a car right and then like it's yeah, I mean from you and also you have your you have your perception of like Your awareness like when you're looking straight ahead as opposed to your Uh peripheral vision. Yeah, there's a whole different. That's that's a depth of field. Do humans see blur? We're a little conscious of blur moving object, okay Well, yeah, because I thought like when lights move fast past us we they like blur into line Yeah, I was what I was um, I was sorry if that was I mean how much is that We're locked in to a um, so with cameras for instance basically the human eye Only sees things at 50 millimeters Like if you were to if you were to when you're making movies You have a whole series or taking photographs you or or even virtually There's a whole series of different kinds of lenses with different focal lengths But human beings are basically and this is an oversimplification. We see things at 50 millimeters That's that's how our vision is designed for whatever reason looks like it's 22 We're doing millimeters. Yeah 22 millimeters ice focal length is 22 meters Well, so we're locked into that That's all we can see So when you're seeing cinema and movies and you see things Shot at different focal lengths We're seeing the world in different ways And yet all of her could you could you explain what focal length is just so we're on the same page for what that kind of like means Okay, well a focal length is how we perceive like okay the distance say between what's hard to So if you're looking at something let let's imagine you're looking at the world Uh, what whatever you're looking at right now whoever's listening to this what you're looking at uh, whatever is What you're seeing in front of you Is the focal length of how you are seeing the world which is probably entirely in focus So I don't quite follow like Because like because 22 millimeters is a distance. What's the what's the distance? Is that like how small of an object we can perceive or no no no it's it's okay all Like you can't see like for instance if you look through a microscope And you're looking at say a paramecium or something You can't see that right now Because the focal length of what you can see in the world is fixed You can't like say zoom in on something So anything smaller than 22 millimeters the human eye cannot distinguish Oh, you you you can depending on I mean maybe where it where it where it is Depending on where you're standing or if you look at something closer The focal length the way you see Does not change Like you can't zoom in your Focal length So the focal length meaning the way you see in terms of where an object is and where your site begins and ends You can't zoom in to something So your focal length is fixed Like you can't zoom into an object you can bring things closer up to you Well, so it sounds like you're saying from this that there are realities about the way that we can see and that filmmakers are Very aware of that and they try and create consistencies in their approach and that's been kind of broken with a lot of Modern stuff or maybe other mediums. Well, the thing is but but the whole thing about cameras is they change focal length So like if you're standing at the beach for instance The way you see things the way you perceive the surf for instance Is unchanging You can't you you can't you can't change you can't zoom in And see the surf differently. You can't see motion differently The way we are designed the way we've evolved. It's the same always And what happens? But you can create stylistic representations of those things in in the forms of like animation stop mill or whatever else, right? Yes, absolutely But the way we actually perceive like if you're standing here The way you see things right now that you're looking for whatever you're looking at right now You can't zoom in and look at something closer Your focal length meaning if you have a lens or a zoom lens For instance, you can change the focal length meaning that where you're standing can actually The way you see something through a lens can change you can zoom in get closer to it And then the bokeh changes everything changes about and through a camera lens So yeah, so that's like kind of what the what the value of uh Basically any form of art, but if you're looking at cinema specifically is is that through the use of different techniques You can essentially provide people with a different representation of reality. Every single shot can do that Super exhilarating. Yeah. No, I mean totally And that's what that's why cinema is so exciting because it shows us the world the way we can't see it You know what I mean Well, yeah, so when you was interesting because you were you were referencing what you think maybe in terms of medium Or iteration has lost it or kept it I was really surprised you referenced endgame as one of the ones that felt more real to you because I felt like that was particularly fake especially the But here's here's one of the things about endgame You have scenes where people are just sitting in rooms Like for instance when those ones are believable. Yeah, yeah Anyone filming people Anyone filming people in a room is gonna feel mostly real unless you really fuck it up I obviously we're talking about how iron man He would like slam down into the ground and look around it But it's like clearly all cg or at least mostly and yet it'd be like man that mixes in so well It feels like he's actually there slamming down meanwhile everything in the later movies and including endgame That mess of stuff in the final fight Obviously the the colors of this stuff happening And then when you see how it's filmed everyone's wearing those weird things this green screen everywhere There's a couple of rocks There's no and and and the marvel cinematic universe is a great lesson In in how we we lose the plot Lose the reality and but what I was going to say about so with stop motion animation All even the best of it and i'm not talking about ardman because by the way they've they they use computer assisted technology to But and I love the wallison grommet movies And one of my favorite things in the world is creature comforts Their academy award-winning five minute short, which if you have not seen it is one of the greatest So for creature comforts, they actually it's so good and they went to they went to the zoo And recorded people and they went to an old folks home And they recorded people and they used the dialogue and then they created this five minute shorts amazing But what happened with stop motion beginning with empire and beginning with um dragon slayer Was they added motion blur the problem with stop motion is it always looked herky jerky Because it was singular. There was no blur when look put your hand in front of your face right now and And and just just wipe it back and forth It blurs There is blur there. You can you it it that's that that Could not be created before 1980 cinematically So that's what you're seeing you you're not seeing a singular like in front of you. There is blur there motion blur because we see persistence of vision We don't see uh perfectly and and and so I feel like i've gone off the track here But I will say what Jurassic park did cinematically Is it finally for the very first time like certain things like star wars did with miniature photography and motion control Jurassic park showed us photorealistic dinosaurs that moved and appeared real To our perception for the very first time in cinema history and that was shocking No, I had this I completely understand and can see there's so many arguments to make it Especially I would make them about this movie for why it comes across as so much more immersive realistic and perfect for the form of escapism To the point where you can believe for a moment maybe in the cinema Holy fuck that dinosaur just looks in is real and and also because of the way it was shot Yeah, of course And while all this technology like we have great technology that makes us look at things that are Real, but i'm talking about the the the quality of us Like it's a philosophical How is it that we believe like when we watch movies Do we actually we have to give ourselves over and believe in them and it's a hard thing to explain but Jurassic park did it for the very first time Well, that's like what the cross film making is right is is essentially getting people to buy into what you're presenting to them as like Like suspension of disbelief, right? What is it other than 100? I know it isn't real But i'm buying into it and you're doing a lot of work to buy me into it And then there are some things films can do where it's like, ah, you lost me you lost me and a lot of the time It can be like plot stuff Or it can be like equals or anything but in the case of Jurassic park It's like it's so tight and it's tight in all aspects from like the filmmaking to this Like the writing itself the characters. It's all very 100 and you believe it And and the thing is I think what what's happened now is because the technology We have become we creators We have become lazy Because we now live in a world where people just add buy into it because they're they're so used to seeing all different kinds of Oh, I guess uh ant man is kind of an example of where it it's not working though I guess right like that even you could say phase four was like the slouching towards Creating amazing things. They just they do it a dime a dozen out But now now it's having a detrimental effect Well, and the difference is the difference is When you go see ant man in the theater You don't walk away from it satisfied You don't feel good about it. Where's the problem? We got we got like six hours talking about all our issues with that That not even we do bring up how fake it looks but um even for me When it comes to Jurassic park part of their appeal of the first Jurassic park Is the believability of it all Yeah Yeah, it's just um There's just so much that comes into whether or not an individual Believes what they're seeing. I don't know that we could ever get it down to A guaranteed assumption about how everyone's going to take everything No, but but I but I but I I think in in terms of the evolution of cinema It's important to recognize that until Jurassic park There was no way and and even if you go back and I'm not saying look I grew up watching all these movies. I love them But Jurassic park was the first time people went into a cinema And saw dinosaurs that they in the back of their minds Believe that they were real it was real Yeah, um Yeah, I guess it depends on who you ask. Um, I bet for a lot of people. It's probably true Um, I've had a lot of people felt that way, you know about earlier stuff Yeah, a lot of as well as you said a lot of kids would be watching this film I know I was and you it's even easier to uh take them sort of whisk them away to a fantasy world while an adult Right Like more aware of the fact that you know the the crop to filmmaking But I mean that's that's the thing that's cool, right? And awareness of filmmaking gives you like an appreciation for all of the Work that goes into it and like a respect for uh, you know new benchmarks as long as what this scene is The scene this scene is uh, this is a great example of basically like a hyper flex as a filmmaker It's like a really amazing like in a microcosm It's an awesome tech demo, but I mean obviously in the scene with these characters. It's so cool like having This incredible spectacle of the t-rex the terror the tension Um And and like it's all feels so seamless like it's it's such an amazing Sequence and it feels like it hasn't like if you saw this in a film released today, it would just be as effective Uh as it was, you know back in 1993 when we talk about There's so many different choices for special effects you can use and today it would just everything would be done with cg for the dinosaurs in Like the lost whether the world franchise I don't know if they've ever I assume they still use some practical in some places in those movies But I can't say I know for sure I I legit don't know if they even do maybe they have practical stuff on set But it will be like the green big foam thing or or like a tennis ball or something It'll be a base and then they'll put cg gu on top of it As opposed to what we have here, which this this this scene is like such a great example of jumping back and forth between Practical and like cgi it's where you don't even notice because here like the shot with the dinosaur Eating that uh that goat that's real The reason why I've got this up here is that I want to as much as it's Definitely a time to appreciate the use of cg the blending of it the animatronics themselves the actual physical special effects Out of this fucking world good I've always remembered this moment Especially because it's the the action of like swallowing the goat And then it like slowly realizing like what's going on over here sort of thing This shit is just enough for me to realize. Oh my god. Is that thing actually there like if that's is that how it would look And seriously Yeah, because it is there of course when they were filming it And yeah the lighting the rain the reflections from all of the look at that shot. It's gorgeous It's so good Look at him there. Yeah And then and then the fact that it integrates so well of him actually moving And it just seems like that intercutting of almost a recognition of How how much do we want to have it be like, you know Cg to where we need to try and like ground it again with something that you know for absolute sure is real And it's almost like the effect is that people don't even know which is real or not And like when you don't know you kind of buy into it totally like if you can't tell if it's real or not It's like you're kind of already there I'm pretty sure james camberns talked about that before like if you can get people Or I think what he said is like if you can get somebody to be like invested in this face Like honing it on their eyes or whatever that that's uh, that's like enough Well, I mean clearly he knows what he's talking about consider it that box office Well all of these guys all of these guys know how to use the tools And I think we talked before about the intentional use of it when if you're making a film like this way You've only got I think someone to chat said about five minutes of visual effects work It's like There was no there was no hard-passed will fix it in post kind of mentality possible here Because it needed to all be very deliberately constructed to make it feasible For them to to do this um Like they needed to know which shots that they were going to be making with visual effect shots and Plan for it on set to make it especially when you don't know if it's even possible It's just that amount of precaution and care going into it. It like shows in every frame compared to ant-man where it's it's much more Broadly careless, but not careless on the part of the individuals working on each of those shots, right? And to immediately after seeing that this incredible Representation of the t-rex and then you have the lawyer just fucking sprinted terrified Yeah, we're still doing character right because this is the moment where we get to see these characters jumping into action He ran off Whereas our grant and malcom are gonna like jump in to because they don't even They don't even know why he's running because he says when you gotta go you gotta go He thinks he's going to toilet, which That's right. They haven't and then that which is really cool as well of lopsided information That can always be really great for drama when some characters know a whole bunch um It's it's impossible not to fucking love the they say that and then we pan left they both turn and you hear the Of each of the wires just coming down and you're like that's that's the feds It's like You know Something that you'd reasonably assume is impossible is just happening now. The t-rex is out Right next to both of these cars. It's just out I want an amazing payoff when we built up to it for an hour. You know that we're finally yeah, and Not only does it it just it's it's a restraint It doesn't you look at this and you don't think oh restraint But you think about how we got here and it's like well It could have splooge this all over the camera way before now in showing you everything and just been excessive with its display But this is like a payoff in and of itself just seeing the thing for the first time We talked about with the house the dragon the old man walking This is dinosaur moving from its paddock to outside of it and it's one of the most memorable things that happens in this whole movie Uh, I say that as if the movie isn't filled with amazing parts constantly I guess I should say it's one of the most memorable in the whole franchise It's a t-rex. You used to be able to impress us with just the t-rex existing. Okay I used to be something you could do not anymore when the reality is that you still can Uh Just a how you use it, you know Well couched within the context of a story that has characters who you like Is uh, here's a big ol. That's a that's a good start Well, like I just you know how long before just Jurassic Park in space and there's a dinosaur with lasers attached to a spaceship and you just like Yeah I'm all else fail space and yeah on the topic of utilizing everything at your disposal The it would be interesting to ask initial audiences How much they thought was cg if they were told the exact seconds amount of dinosaurs on screen Because like you have this the big ol animatronic practical big boy head at the at the top right of the car And it's just like yeah, there is looking creepy as fuck Camera pushes in and the cg one takes over Such a good idea such a creative idea You see the very real practical effect And that will like it's just gonna have the natural effect of your brain believing that thing is that and when you see the cg one It can help blend it in your mind. I would say like a like a you see them together almost Yeah, kind of it was the continuity is not broken So there's no reason for you to assume that anything else has been broken like the you know practical nature of the t-rex the rain The darkness and then keep switching from those different shots and Man what what an awesome animatronic that you put the light on it and then is is uh the pupil Changes dilates. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh It's such a cool detail. It just it just adds to helping you believe it Yeah, absolutely It was the little details a little touches that breathe life into it like before talking about the triceratops breathing Those little sort of yeah, it's just the tiny details Gorgeous And then it starts killing Yeah Well, and uh, I guess it's one of them a little bit of trivia for you moments because I've heard it said a couple times We're ragged you were mentioning it last night the He starts pushing in on the car from the ceiling and then the glass itself comes through And uh, will you say do you know it like as a sort of established thing that that was not deliberate necessarily? I've heard that it wasn't supposed to go through and push the glass down from the top Um, I've heard that that didn't that that just sort of happened um I don't know if it's true, but that that's what I've heard Um, so I'm not sure. Yeah, I'd have to check if anything. It's certainly it's just awesome if true Yeah, yeah, it's what it was. Oh this happened to have happened. Oh good. The children are actually terrified excellent That'll that'll that'll be great for our movie Yeah, it's uh because improvisation Utilizing accidents is another part of uh, I was going to say filmmaking But I mean the creative process in all regards And also creating reality You know, I mean one of the funny things about like a shaky cam now That came out of combat photography from world war two in vietnam and korea And the idea of you you have shaky cam It's like oh your your your document is documentary thing. You're running and gunning and shooting And so that's become a thing saving private ryan that that spielberg did that opening sequence Which was the basis of the of call of duty the video game You know that whole storming oma ha beach or whatever I mean, it's really interesting whereas in jurassic park. We don't get a lot of shaky cam It's very composed Which is harder to do because you don't have that extra added technique that creates reality So it's even harder when you're not Do you think that the reason why they probably would have had less shaky cam was because at the time that would have made it Even harder to integrate the visual effects like oh my god, so much harder I mean it would have been insane to try and get to do to do cg shaky cam Is insane. That's insane. It's already hard enough at the time, especially I mean that's kind of park is 30 years old now Yeah, that's insane. That's here in this study is old. Yeah There's a bit of irony that you you would have said back here like less shaky cabs is harder to implement special effects What in modern times it feels like more shaky cabs so we could protect the special effects You know like from being seen as bad. It's kind of a interesting switch Yeah, because because it's a lot harder to have a steady shot and convince people it's real Yeah, and then and and shaky cam is used as a technique To cover up many times of production deficiencies Uh sets don't look real Is a common one the more you shake the camera the harder it is for audiences to latch on to the fight whereas Exactly every kind of painting video Jackie Chan likes clarity in his shots and big wide angle so that you can see the action It's like how they used to shoot dancing Like right the Fred Astaire movies, you know swing time or something and and it used to be that that The thing is when you're like editing a fight scene And uh, this is the thing as an editor myself. I I hate this when I have to do it, but When you edit every cut Makes human perception you jerk back in it and not like literally like oh my god. You're back in the your seat But when you When you cut so like if you see somebody throwing a punch for instance and the camera's in front And the the fist is coming at the camera When you cut there You get a what I call a fake Punch and then you can cut around that and then you show the punch connecting And you can the the punch doesn't actually hit somebody you can be far away or whatever But it's that edit that helps you sell that punch Well editing editing strikes me as an element of filmmaking that's kind of it is it's totally That you don't quite when it's bad you it's it's a little bit harder to latch onto as clearly as like Bad acting right where it's really obvious in your face, but no I was gonna say I don't agree anymore But here but here's the thing here's the thing when you're watching like dancing and you see multiple moves in one shot Then you know the people are really dancing And in a fight scene like a lot of hong kong cinema or one of my favorite I love the raid and the raid to baron doll When you're watching these fight sequences, it's one long take and you see three four five moves like Uh, you you have one punch two punch three punches. Maybe a kick In the same shot no edits It's a real big problem in modern stuff So many action scenes have so many cuts and there's so many Oh my god, whatever we're supposed to be the taken one right the the take doesn't kill you don't you What the fuck man Punching or fighting or whatever. I guess I just see random things. I don't really actually watch them fight I just see like a punch or maybe half a kick and a spin. I assume that the I'm so glad you said that because my god I assume the idea is they want you to imagine if the cool fight is happening and that you see enough there, right? So it's probably happening and you sort of run with it Kind of does the work for you rather than when you show it in full and there's nowhere to hide Well, is there any like is there any famous one of the great things about Jurassic park to bring it back Is when you see like the t-rex charge It charges Like it's a long shot where it's running toward you and even though it's a cg effect. It's a shot It is combined with live action and you are watching it does not cut away to create false Again, it comes back to perception all of movie making is using The perception of us as human beings and how we see I wonder what the longest unbroken CGI cut is in this movie That's a really that's a really good question. I'll google it. You just need me want to go back and rewatch the film Breaks out of the paddock, maybe Maybe one of the scenes with the velociraptors in the kitchen when they were like moving around very slowly Some of those were kind of yeah, maybe yeah, especially if I can't I can't remember From memory if they apply a depth of field when they like zoom into the kids by the counter and the raptors are in the back And they blur a little bit But maybe it's the t-rex running after the g Was the galamimus that could be it as well Or the opening right when they first see the dinosaurs in Jurassic park some of those thoughts were are long Yeah, I guess it helps because they were so much further away as well Yeah, yeah, exactly, but I bet it still isn't that long. I bet I bet none of them are over 10 seconds Yeah, well, you guys have just totally excited the filmmaking Like side of my brain now. I have to go watch this movie yet for the 35 35th time And I want to I want to do it with a stopwatch and time Well, someone's probably done that already you're probably able to find that online if you really That's probably true. Don't take away the excuse to where you watch the film because um I was just gonna say like on the editing point I think that people struggle to see the difference between good and great editing But like really bad editing can stand really the Like the sound design right when it gets really bad You notice but when the sound design is great, you just sink into it Like it's not even you're not even cognizant of how great it is Well, yeah, I'm listening Again, it comes down to like I'll I'll um I'll give you an example like Michael Bay Even his website is shoot shoot for the edit. He he runs like eight cameras on an action scene The thing about that is he gets everything he needs all these different angles or whatever But there's no intent Behind what he's showing you because when you blow something up, you know, it's expensive You can't keep reshooting it. So you run eight cameras So when you watch a Michael Bay action scene and with all the editing the editing makes you it's herky jerky It seems exciting because oh my god, I'm seeing all this work I'm seeing all this editing and it's it's and your perception every time the image is cut from a different angle You your perception in your brain is going oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, it's exciting However I'll give an example I'll give an example if you watch paul verhoeven's action movies like we talked about starship troopers earlier If you watch robocop And in robocop when he attacks the cocaine factory And you have a big wide master where robocop is walking in and you see him gunning down different positions And then it cuts to Different shots Or or another great example of editing is raiders of lost ark Where you're given a master shot when you have the truck chase when the nazis have the ark on the truck And indiana jones has to get to it What through editing what it does is it establishes a objective And and through editing you you see the different shots where indiana jones knows the objective the audience knows the objective And then he gets to the truck and he climbs up and through his bull whip and all that It goes to the front of the car and then the objective There's a new objective And then it builds upon that it's it's it's rhythmic. It's like it's music. It's like it's um mathematical poetry call it that And it has intent it has intent and and michael kahn spielberg's longtime editor Knows this and spielberg shoots He doesn't shoot with eight cameras and they'll figure it out later The reason that spielberg's able to do what he did in jurassic park is because those shots are designed He understands how to create That in the minds of the audience that's great direction Of course and and he does that but also you know like he'll he'll build a model You know and he'll he'll have a model and and be like, okay This is what I want to do and storyboarding is great. But here's the problem The problem is is it used to be that spielberg would work with a storyboard artist nowadays movies action sequences Are designed by the visual effects and previous people And marvel does this and the director has no input And so the directors of these movies are given an action scene prefab And they don't you ever see ryan johnson storyboards Uh, I have not But but he strikes me as somebody who's very involved in that. Uh, he works or is he not Uh, I would be curious to see what you think because this is the thing right a storyboard That you can see ones that look amazing and you're like, wow, they knew exactly what they were doing And hang on folks. I'll get you it now. But uh, so let me post some of these for you first That these are some the I don't know where people got these from Things like a special behind-the-scenes thing. Yeah, are these star wars? Hang on. Well, you can see that that one's a tlj one Well, I mean here's here's here's what I But my problem with a lot of of and I I saw this when I was Working on superman returns There was a there were 65 people doing previews Now brian singer the director was always involved. He was but but still it was the storyboard guys that were coming up with all this stuff and and that bothered me from from a a because You know you I think Directly and nowadays because of the way there's so many visual effects You have to have these storyboards before you start shooting In order to shoot these sequences because if you don't have them, you can't you know, dude prep is So much is in prep the like I look at some of these storyboards provides also like I think I would have said before seeing these It's okay. It doesn't matter how crude your drawings are if you've got all of the ideas there You know like if yeah, but when I see these I'm like, okay, maybe this a bit too Well, remember also with storyboard stuff and animatics, they're cutting these into the movie as you're editing So What your previous you might have previous that's done six months before you even start shooting Well, your editor is already cutting these into the movie We saw with endgame that they had previous the final battle three years before it came out So that would have been about a year and a half before they actually went to shoot And probably before they even had a script Yeah, and by the way marvel has been doing this Since the beginning and and I think there's been a schism between their their visual design department And the movies are making and we're now seeing the results of it. I mean it's it's so far removed from human consumption that I mean It's you know when I watched Loki the Loki TV series I I even I I'm a huge Marvel comics fan since I was a kid I thought that show broke The Marvel Cinematic Universe because it did because it it's it's It's strain credulity. It's suddenly the TVa I'm like, wait a minute. This is terry gilliam brazil shit. This is not iron man one You know iron man one is the story of a man who is questioning his choices in life He saw his own Stark industries bomb That didn't go off right next to him that should have killed him And it was always human and the end of the show is a battle between Two dudes fighting for the soul of a company And and a philosophy Very human movie. Yeah by the time you get to Quantum mania There's nothing tethered in reality to it at all And people speculate on like the human drama of quantum mania and it's like is it the ant man needs to learn To be a hero again. It's like not really No, but but to bring it back to Jurassic park We all of us think to ourselves about I mean What kid doesn't dream Of riding a dinosaur You know, even I'm sure michael creighton when he wrote the novel it's like And there was a different scientist who by the way wrote the scariest book I ever read Um in terms of a horror novel and they should make this movie Us, uh, I think it's uh, Steven Pellegrino as I looked on my shelf. It's over there and I Um, he wrote a book called dust And and uh, this scientist he was the first person to come up with the idea of cloning Uh dinosaurs because blood law Preserved in amber So he wrote this book. I want to say Steven Pellegrino. It's not Steven But his last name is Pellegrino and this book dust Is the premise of the book is all insects die Not arachnids, but there's a major die-out all the insects in the world die And what happens to the planet after that happens? I don't know why this book freaked if I've read horrible Uh, uh every horror novel in the world every british horror novel. I've read them all This book freaked me the fuck out And he was the guy that came up with the theory of of um blood and amber but dust Read this book And I'm telling you it'll get under your skin But the same reason that Jurassic Park worked was the reason dust worked because you're like, oh Well, what would happen if the insects all died out? And he does that from a scientific standpoint and shows you what would happen And man, it was terrifying But the same thing is true of Jurassic Park. What if dinosaurs were real? And you know, well real in a life Currently, yeah, but but but but when you watch this movie for the very first time You believed it they were real And and I think that's the great Ultimately talk about the characters the structure the story This was the first time we believed man Well, it's a fucking great combo to have to have the effects to be this good The filming to be this good and the scripts to be killer as well Uh, oh, yeah, and and and that's the great the and by the way, I would dare say that The script for this film is better than the book Hmm Well, Michael crying, uh, he Is a screenplay Well, I think he wrote it, but then someone else did the final draft. I think I think But he was involved like he was significantly involved in the film. Oh, yeah Yeah, and he wrote the lost world, but but you know, there's a lot more characters in the novel And different people died like Ian Malcolm died in the book. So did, uh, uh, John Hammond And, um, uh, I think they made some really great choices in the movie That made it work because you know books are different than films Tom Bombadil did not belong in the Fellowship of the Ring Yeah, that's that's an interesting sticking point for a lot of Lord of the Rings fans. We'll discuss it to Helen back I think uh, often the challenge with adapting a book to a film is that it seems like often there will be more material in An average length of a novel Compared to what you can get into our film It just seems like there's it often skews more of like more information in a book So it's like often. Hmm. What do we have to cut? Um But yes, uh, because the scene is funny. We've got this much conversation out of this. See we're like halfway through it Yeah It's all good, man. Uh, the EFAP isn't exactly known for being, um, non-tangent racial Tangent free. No, not really So what's cool, of course, is once Alan and Malcolm realize what's happening They both have Pretty big moments of like we're gonna save these kids We got to like obviously the complete in in comparison with the the lawyer Um, I almost say that as if it's to imply lawyers don't care about kids. Of course. No, it's just uh, that's But yeah, Alan nails it he distracts it with the flare and tosses it it starts heading toward it That gives you the opportunity that Malcolm looking to help is like, yeah, I got the flare too. Hey Hey, it's just like no freeze like what are you doing that? He starts getting chased by it And of course Malcolm just trying to save his own life heads in a direction gets hit over covered in a bunch of A debris from the building fully of art which reveals lawyer mad to the t-rex His efforts to hide from it basically guaranteed his death And you know, this is another before we go um before we go too far Unless I blank do we talk about like the mud and underneath the car? Oh, I'm glad you brought that up rags because um something that I was reminded of while watching this film is man We've lost just like the grit and uh, like Graham People getting hurt people getting dirty Like everything. Yeah, everything's super safe and sterile. It's everyone. Every everyone's don't worry. We'll see gi the mud on you Everyone's nice Everybody's got their lovely hollywood faces and this is like Because I think the mud serves a a number of purposes it does Fringard mentioned it is like it's muddy. It's dirty. It's gritty Um, you know, this is not a clean sterile place But the way that the car is flipped over and is spun around And the weight of the t-rex pushing down on it into the mud It's just another one of those elements of selling to you that the t-rex is real Because even though it's not in like the shots here You know that this thing is being pressed down by this essentially monster on top of it in the mud is being in How the environment reacts to these things and how the people react to these things helps you believe it And I think it's in no small part It's one of the biggest things that you could do To make sure everyone's reacting to it realistically Also the feeling of The feeling of being trapped to uh The absolute horror you don't want to get out of the safety of the car. It's like you gotta get out of the safety of the car The car is not safe from very long, you know The car is not yet rated for t-rex attacks. No Well, and that's I mean I can't help but look into that right one of the first things that t-rex does It's just fucking crush this car a big representative of one of the coolest sort of uh technological achievements of human creation Well, it fucks up with it. It like pulls the Muffler or whatever it is off the bottom. It takes it rips a tire off It's like yeah an animal would I guess fuck around with this weird thing in front of it Yes, like is there any part of you that's tasty? It's like no no no But yeah, it's almost like you're saying binding it into the world with physics around it as well as um The way it looks yeah, it's so much going on. It's so important especially because the because I they probably have a real foot um That they're showing pressing down on the car And you know when they move the I don't know how they do it I think they have something that flips and moves around the car And so the car is real and its movements are real and then they have the CG dinosaur, you know looking as if it's causing those motions on top of it. I might be why why it's It's that blend of yeah. Yeah Whatever they're using they they blend it together really well Yeah, what better way to make a CGI thing seem real than to have it Actually interacting with a real thing like who framed roger rabbit When you have cartoon characters who are carrying around real objects And they go through the trouble of having Cutouts in the floor and things hanging from the ceiling so that people Make the movements of the real objects so that afterwards the animators can come in And animate creatures carrying these actual real objects And it allows for a seamless transition of an object being handed from a tune To a real person who can then take that real object and continue to interact with it So true Um, they don't do that shit anymore probably with mentioning too because so many aspects of why it's believable these sounds the t-rex makes Uh, oh the sound What an iconic roar of the t-rex ruined that Ruined the sounds of dinosaurs in the same way that elijah would ruin the look of frodo in a way Like can you imagine these things sounding any other way now? Yeah, you and so it could be like that's not how they would sound it's like don't care That's how they sound my heart how they sound man. Come on. Come on dude. It's fucking brilliant I've heard don't know if it's true that it was a mix of crocodile and lion to make the uh t-rex roar Um, really that's what uh, I remember reading it somewhere. Um That's cool. Don't know. Yeah, I can't say for sure. I should have probably checked but um I'll see if ever I do a video on this film. I will definitely look into things like that because that's just badass Um, oh some people saying elephant Oh, I can believe elephant. Yeah, I can believe elephant. Yeah I I hear elephant now that just crocodiles make like a bellow. Don't they this kid they kind of rumble I'm not sure Well, because elephant and lion I can really I can really imagine crocodile lion baby elephant seriously Is that like the actual combination? I want to see the creation of that sound. That sounds really awesome I could literally be elephant now that you've said it. It's kind of like that Like that kind of sound underneath it. Yeah, I can believe that. Well, and it's so it's so memorable now There's like you have to have at least one moment per Jurassic movie Where a t-rex is standing in full frame and makes the sound as the roar I got some news here. Uh, the strange bark-like sounds that the film's raptors use to communicate is actually the sound of tortoises having sex My god Really? That's uh, according to this article here. Um, Let's see Rids this guy who's ridstrom, uh, bubba bum This is The sound the film's sound designer gary ridstrom spent months recording and fine-tuning the dinosaur noises He said if he knew where the sounds in Jurassic park came from it'd be rated r Um, the barking velociraptors are the sounds of tortoises mating Uh, the galamimus stampede Uh, the high-pitched squawking sounds those little guys make are terrifying That's that they're actually the sound of a female horse squealing at a male Horse when he got a little too close and she got excited You know now you've made me there's a vidoc for halo three that talks about the sound design And the creativity that those guys had of like, well, I'm a sound engineer I I just hear sounds and i'm constantly thinking about how I could integrate those sounds into the game And it's things like the doors the forerunner doors when they open You know, you know i'm talking about rags like the doors that part open the the when you go Yes, it has a um, yeah and almost it is the sound of well the real sound is Like a hatchback car the boot when you lift it like the the metal part of like like when it's going up Yeah, it's it's the sound of the sort of like the beams Extended yeah, yeah, and kind of rubbing against each other You wouldn't think of it because it all feels so seamless But it's like yeah the creativity that they sound like that the sound of like the brute shot is them like bashing a Spoon or like destroying an old xbox. It's uh, it's really interesting Have you ever seen movies of um, how when they have the old cartoons They do live sound effects for it like skates slapping and pans banging and they make the noises and tandem with the um The cartoon that stuff's really cool because all the I mean Hey every sound that you hear in the video game or movie that you watch That shit's got to come from somewhere every gunshot every report every footstep every door every Blip, whir and whiz. I mean the blaster sounds from star trek where Metal strings like a guitar that they plucked and altered um It's always so much with doing your original sounds because if you accidentally throw in a stock sound everyone knows and associates with something else It'll pull them out Do you think okay, does wilhelm get a pass? Um like a meme, right? I'm thinking do you know, I mean that's I'm thinking about I think now you can't use it less. It's ironic It's it's only ever used ironically It's always a reference usually right like it's like look, I made a movie. I got my wilhelm screaming there Do you uh, you will you will know the cat sound that you hear all the time? That one you yeah, I hear that every time I hear that i'm like, oh, that's a stock cat sound Uh gunshots man gunshots. Yeah, uh, it's I mean, uh, I I love a great gunshot when you go back and you look at older movies Like 80s movies they all have the same indiana jones did a really good gunshot noise. It's very very punchy and oh my god You're so you are so right. I was about to say you're totally right The indiana jones the I mean it feels full The alien's pulse rifle. Oh man. Oh, yeah There because a lot of it's one of my it's a constant complaint in video games that a lot of the times gunshots sound weak and anemic They're not loud. They don't have pop to them um But when they're done really well They they super sell the threat. You reminded me Another fun halo fact uh in halo 3 od st with the suppressed right uh smg and pistol They recorded the real sounds, but they thought that they were too weak. So they buffed them up um Because I wanted it to sound suppressed But they felt that the suppressed one was actually too quiet and too muted That doesn't it doesn't surprise me depending on the kind of gun that you use the kind of suppressor of a caliber Whether they're around subsonic or not they can be surprisingly quiet And you want it to sound away because a lot of people are just not familiar with the way that guns sound um Especially like suppressed ones automatic guns rifles and things so you kind of have this line of You know we want it to it doesn't necessarily it shouldn't necessarily sound real Maybe we should give it a little bit of you know a little bit of elaboration to it to really make it feel punchy or You know or umfy Well, I think total biscuits said that there was because when he would describe battlefield He said battlefield isn't realistic, but it's authentic and it's like hmm. What does that mean? I think he described it as like um That it captures a perception that people have About reality rather than emulating reality, you know, it's plausible. I think it's it's the plausibility of it Is like yes, I know there wasn't yeah, they only made two hell regal submachine guns and they were never used in the war But they did exist. They were real the technology existed It is plausible that a soldier could use it and it doesn't break immersion because aesthetically it fits in with everything else So it's fine, right? Whereas if you had an ak 47 in battlefield one, you'd be like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I know that's bullshit Yeah, that gun didn't exist back then. Oh like if an m1a comes into world war two game Yes, um That's one of my yeah the yeah like as much as all of battlefield five. I hate the grand in that gun It's it's kind of it doesn't sound umfy. It's not like the grand in battlefield Bad company two was like. Hmm. It sounded umfy. It had a lot of heft to it Um, the uh, that's how they ruined world at war. I was fine with zombies But man, they put a ray gun in that game and I was like, you know what that's it. You fucked it up It was only in the zombies mode, which helps with the fantasy Only of it though I am just like, well, we're already We're already in the realm of science fiction gone wrong. You know, okay Let's do it ray gun Well, it's like fallout, you know There's like uh, you could believe pretty much all the guns in that um, and then they have ray guns They're like, oh and it's treated as if it's a special thing from outer space. They kind of buy it um So anyway I was um, just gonna say that let's see the triceratops sounds were from dozens of cows on george lucas's film site Skywalker ranch. Oh my god. Where the sound is? There you go For the unforgettable sound of the dying triceratops rydström turned to a simple homemade device a cardboard tube with a spring in it What about them? Did they say the t-rex in there? Now, let's see the t-rex. Here we go Uh, let's see the star of the film biggest carries character majority of it sounds came from none other than rydström's own pet A petite jack russell terrier named buster It's characteristic roar on the other hand is actually the sound of a baby elephant. Oh, there you go So is it only the baby elephant then he warped it in like editing or was it combined with other sounds? It was probably uh, this just mentions the baby element, which I uh, the baby elephant, which I assume was uh, fiddled with in editing Um, let's see if I can read this links to the full, um Let's see velociraptors mating tortoises mildoon goose birds um the flock is ju-ju-ju-ju Every day I'd see my dog playing with a rope toy and doing exactly that pretending like he's killing his prey So he's he says in terminator two He recorded the sound of buster eating puppy chow and that became the crunch when the t-1000 spiked that guy's eye socket Wow So I guess it really is a thing Fringy said if you're a sound designer you just hear things and like how can I apply this? What could this be used as? They hear the world differently. Um, because it's It's it's you don't think about where the sounds and movies come from sound design really is like one of the most underrated aspects of filmmaking video games Because it's just when it's there you don't notice it Um, well the youtube video that goes over the breakdown of the t-rex's rule. Okay. I'll have to check that out Cool The rancor beast in return of the jedi he did it by slowing down a chihuahua Wow So he says it's one of the secrets of sound design that if you slow something down Something small it brings out elements of the sound that you could probably never get if you recorded something big Man you learn something new every day so, um In closing almost for this scene it was two more things I wanted to talk about but The famous thing of this scene is it seems as though and I'm saying seems because I need to do extensive checking of all the shots But the the t-rex burst through One of the walls and then later they fall out of it and into a pit And it's like how could the pit be there if the t-rex came from that area? And how does the pit match like the the paddock if you know what I mean? And I think there are theories about how it's like no That's just you confused on the pov of like where everyone is they change throughout the scene. It's like a different area. Maybe Um, but some people say no It is just a huge plot hole to to change into what they're doing from what they were doing before I know that they're still fighting over it and I think this video is breaking it down So I wanted to mention it because I used to be sure this was just a problem Because he used to be referenced all the time But I know that there are arguments I haven't checked out for how it can make sense and I need to check through the whole scene again because it's Pretty bizarre to change the geography entirely in the middle of a scene, but it's not unheard of You know and it could be that but uh Like interstellar It does seem the didis all came from an area that they eventually went into and it completely changed what was on the other side It's uh might yeah, I don't I don't think that it might be one of those It might be a nitpick. I don't I don't think it really affects any plot stuff. Um But yeah, of course if the paddock were the way that we'd expect it to be then he wouldn't have had to repel down that whole scene changes But I think they'd still survive Yeah, I'm not sure I think that a t-rex might be able to because in real zoos a lot of the time they have that big gap In between like the fence and where people stand in the enclosure where the animals are actually hanging out and moving around It's where harambe Rest in peace died Um, you know, they have that pit and so it's possible that that's what that is They have a a big pit between the fence And the actual enclosure where the tyrannosaurus walks around and all the dirt is But oh no, but the car falls down and why would it fall though the pit wouldn't have anything and it wouldn't have a tree in it Well, yeah, that's really weird people, uh, I remember someone at some point It emailed me like a video explaining it all with maps and stuff like how it does make sense And I remember not being very convinced by it. So I'd have to look into it to be able to say more Maybe yeah, maybe fly Why I just saw someone in chat say fly hi harambe Everyone remember dicks out for harambe Dude, what was harambe? What's like 2015? This was a while ago Hey, hey, hey, harambe endures forever. Don't don't don't put a date on harambe. It's an inspiration Harambe forever um, so That the only other thing I wanted to talk about was uh The death of the lawyer man unlike denis I don't think anyone would feel he deserved it or anything for like the damage he caused It's just that they did make him abandon the kids to probably Help you feel as though it's like oh there he goes like less less bad Less bad. Yeah, what if it was grand or Malcolm? Yeah, as if you know him being a lawyer wasn't already enough They really wanted to go the extra mile by having him abandon children in distress So that pushed him just I mean it just being like, yeah It's that thing we were kind of talking about just you you do these things on purpose So the audience don't have to feel as awful about a thing happening They can they can yeah, it's there you go if if you feel super bad every time someone dies That's that's it gives a move. It's not bad necessarily, but it gives the movie a certain vibe Well, you know what it makes you think of um, do you remember mummy returns rags springy robin anyone? I Oh, I don't remember mummy returns much at all. I'd have to see it again. There is a oh my god Does anyone want to see it again? Hey Some people like it I mean Anyway, there's a moment. There's a moment where the two heroes, uh, sorry hero and the villain being like wait Can I just stop it like mauler? Is invoking the mummy returns. Can I just say that? I just want to stop I mean, I look to you As the guru of great storytelling and you're invoking mummy returns Which means I have to rethink my a positive example. I've still I've famous I've been grabbed up for the opinion of saying that felt very good So you know what movies have good or bad things? Yeah, there's an I'm gonna say I I admire you more and more as the days go by. I'm just saying I'll defend all kinds of things Uh, yeah, it's well. This isn't even particularly. It's not particularly good, but it's it's something to highlight, right? Like you have um emo tap and uh rick are both getting pulled in by like gross evil mummy demon things Into like I don't remember where they're getting pulled into it's like hell or something And um, they're between them and their two equivalent wives slash I guess girlfriend for uh emo tap is Um a whole space of area with loads of rocks falling. I think it's like Like stalactites. They're they're all coming down or something something heavy and sharp Over and over and over again. Think of it as like a floor is lava sort of situation walking across there is going to get you killed and um uh rick tells um Evie to run just get out There's no saving him and there's no point in risking yourself sort of thing And she rushes forwards. She goes through the whole thing and saves him gets him up And then emo tap says Save me like to his girlfriend and she looks at the whole situation. Just there's no fuck this and runs And it's just like oh you kind of feel bad for him almost and then we follow her And she slips on like running downstairs and falls into a pile of scarabs It's just like she gets one of the grossest deaths where you want to start how that works Oh, then again, I think it's probably more gross to die from one of them than many of them Because it'll be quicker. Um one of them. I I guess uh because Well, they eat you slowly, right? Um, well when you're in that many of them, I guess they'd be able to do it But one you could you could get one of them out of you, right? If you had like a knife like rick does with uh, what's his face in the first movie? Oh someone said what does this have to do with Jurassic Park? What do you think I'm making saying this for? What do you guys reckon? Um, I think what we're trying to illustrate is that um When it comes to character deaths, you can just like have them do something that will change how much a person Is upset basically by what happens to them And usually the way to make them more upset is to make that character a really awesome great person And the way to diminish it is to I mean do what we've done with uh Newman here, right like just uh Like have him be an asshole like a completely acceptable She's um She in the movie. She's not a good person. She's kind of an asshole, but uh, you wouldn't just have her slip and fall And die be kind of weird but doing it right after she did something kind of ass holy Which by the way, it's not entirely It's the more that she abandons him. He just like oh damn instead of sitting there being like I wish I could save Is something but yeah, so that when she dies you kind of it feels like Consequences and that it matches and an audience feels more comfortable that I would imagine Hence my disdain for lost world Am I in lots of different ways for sale? But there's a great scene with the The truck and the The in the glass I mean the the lost world is like again Because like that film you compare it to the worst of what you get now from like the Jurassic world as a series is like, yeah, I don't even close Like how films got way more redeemed qualities Yeah, uh So I think well we could talk about Dennis's I think he's a Dennis's neth scene. This is dead in the death You're thinking about you're thinking about Newman. That's all you never watched sign. Well, did you? No, no Ah, right. Yeah I've heard it. Well, there's so many things I've got to watch Why would I watch Seinfeld all that stuff's been done before I have recently watched wait. Yeah chat doesn't even know about this I don't I don't know. I think drink study is releasing it today. So people will find out but I have seen Star Trek the motion picture and star trek the wrath of con recently. That's right We watch those movies we do and and thumbs up and thumbs down thumbs up for both of them Thumbs up for both dude. I'm more so so on the first one, but I really like con I think it's so much understandable. Well after discussing con as well with drinker We did a audio commentary But you guys can have access to that soon enough I'd imagine and it's something you can watch without the film If you really want to it's just going to sound a little bit weirder because obviously we're prompted by things that happen in the movie But we talked a lot about wrath of con and I would say that my estimation of the film I actually went up after having discussed it with drinker as well. It's uh very very good There seems to be a deliberateness to the script that you notice very soon Well, yeah and talking to someone who's seen it like a hundred times and is very passionate about it will help Because you'll feel like oh, yeah, I didn't think about that all this, you know so again a movie that in context was A very important film in terms of I think the genre in terms of science fiction fantasy horror and IP It it meant a lot at the time when it came out because Even though motion picture made a lot of money It cost a lot of money and uh the motion picture was uh, uh Wrath of con was made by the tv division of paramount It was given to harv bennett as a different directors. Yeah Well, the the production company the the the methodology was different. So oh, they feel like such different movies Oh, yeah, oh completely. I mean totally films and um You know, it's very interesting because in terms of IP The fact that wrath of con was a sequel to a tv episode Is there there's an entire lesson about how to to um, how how to look at IP and translate IP to a different medium because my god it's amazing that Wrath of con nowadays No one would have ever made that they're like, well, wait a minute Are you telling me you're going to make a sequel to an episode of a failed tv show from the 60s? Hell, yeah The 80s like and you're going to bring back the same actor to plot what I mean It's astonishing that movie ever got made when it's the budget got lashed as well right from the first one It went down. Yeah. I mean well the the reported budget of motion picture is 44 million but It's because that they spent the entire 70s um, they were gonna make a movie called star trek planet of the titans Where uh, Tashira Mifuni was going to play a klingon warlord That got cancelled although What's really interesting about that Is the design of the discovery Yes, that discovery Was created by Ralph McQuarrie. Yes that Ralph McQuarrie In the early 70s pre-star wars And so plan the titans didn't get made They spent a lot of money on it and then they were going to make a star trek phase 2 tv show sets were built Cancelled So a lot of money so the 44 million dollars that they say it costs the motion picture be made Really wasn't 44 million Um, it was less but they had to roll in all the development costs For all those other failed projects into the budget but Uh, raffa con was made for basically 11 million dollars cheap It does not feel cheap. What a fucking great use of 11 million dollars Yeah, and and uh, what's interesting is that you look at it now it made like Theatrically it made like 75 million or something That's a huge hit An 11 million dollar spend even with marketing back then The problem is studios are now thinking we're gonna spend 200 million dollars to make a billion dollars Why not release 10 films that you spent 25 million or the horror films well 15 million dollars making Isn't that good? So Is in bloomhouse's approach Yeah, how about a bloom house release a lot of films that are very cheap and you only need one of them to You know like make 50 million dollars. Well, look at what scream six made this weekend Wait, what did it make it did really well? I think I think it made 20 million opening day domestically Not a whole lot, but Oh damn that's gonna be looks like successful 43 and a half million opening. Yeah Okay. Wow. Yeah, and you said was it 30 or 40 million budget 35 35, right? So Well, scream seven's already in production, I guess And what's ant where is ant hole? I need to know Is ant man safe is he all right? Well, that's that's a good question 425 million is where they're at right now on a budget of 200 million Or nearly a month. So it's Yeah, that's it and that it's uh, that ladies and gentlemen with enough Theory crafting exactly how much these films cost and what they get back that is that's cost the money overall Uh, it is very likely that we're going to be reading articles soon from like variety and stuff about how ant man and the lost Quantum any lost money, which the last time that a marvel studios film lost money is I actually don't know I don't think that's a non pandemic environment. I mean This is actually I would use the word debacle Uh, yeah, I think it's sad to say that As of december 1st 2022 this digital trends article says no mcu film is ever made less than its budget Well, yeah, but you've got a factor in marketing and you have to factor in Your total box office is not the total amount of money that gets taken home by the studios. I'm pretty sure This is a 700 million dollar spend Probably I mean people need to understand it's It's remember that the the studio only gets half of the box office So the worldwide gross let's let's call it 425 is what they're saying The studio that's half of that that doesn't even cover the production This movie is a half is that how much they uh, that's do theater or some stuff take pretty much pretty much I believe domestic overall in america is usually like 60 percent on average and I think international that's maybe Uh, but uh, this is this is a debacle. I mean this is really bad And oh, okay. This says just while we're on topic this says here investopedia a studio might make A studio might make about 60 percent of a film ticket sales in the united states And around 20 to 40 percent of that on overseas ticket sales. Oh man, I mean, especially china It depends why you're doing that if you think about that And by the way a lot of people never consider this every single movie They they wrap in the studio overhead of their entire year Into this so whatever it costs to pay everybody that works at disney at least the studio For the year gets rolled into by the way every budget of every film Even though it might be sketchy but but but every movies People don't understand the idea that every movie is itself a business It's an llc. It's it's its own entity That a studio acquires even though it's part of there. It's very The the way that studio accounting works is crazy this film Is a massive debacle debacle for disney Yeah, and uh, it's really bad with the layoffs combine it with their desperation for what they're going to be putting out next Or at least in the coming years And disney plus losses too what i guess recently this this movie is not going to bring disney plus Anything no it was oh, I don't want to sidetrack too hard on disney plus is insane decisions because it'll be forever Um opportunity costs a big part of it as well if you've got 200 million dollars You could have made that 200 million dollars could have made you more money on other projects That's always a factor with these decisions. Could we have spent our money more effectively? Could we have spent on better projects? Yeah What I find strange about this. I mean, I I'm a huge. I'm a huge kevin feige fan. I really am I I I've loved seeing the evolution of the mcu until the last Three or four years and I'm purple. I'm perplexed by it to be honest Whether you like it or not the the infinity saga was really beautifully done 23 movies Average box office a billion dollars well done But but phase four and phase five Uh from a monetary and business standpoint. I don't get it I I really don't understand what they're doing. I I I don't and and Not to please go. I don't mean to interrupt. I'm sorry. No, I I was I was just thinking this this I It just seems like there's almost a um You guys are played starcraft No Okay, well, I was thinking like The um the way that disney's attitude sort of is it seems to be we've really built up This this reputation for making all kinds of fun and great, you know superhero movies And then they don't like learn and improve So it's like when you like if you're playing starcraft the 13 year old rts game We've built up this base and we're doing pretty good in the early game And we're we're doing well But then we're fighting harder and harder opponents as we go And we've been winning by just sort of a moving our units to the enemy base and sort of winning And now that's just not working anymore We've built up all this stuff and we're just throwing all this money At you know these projects and they we're just not making the ticket sales anymore Our foundation is no longer solid. We've we've grown complacent with making all this money We have not improved as we've gone Um People are people are wise ending up to what we're doing. Oh, yeah And part of the fascination for me is that they had warnings so early on. Do you remember black widow? It did so badly. Whatever should have been a scholar Jhansen was planning on suing them Um And it's strictly in relation to the financial sort of aspect and it's like you guys understand It's unbelievable to be that we've had what is close to the first It's probably fair to call out many um a flop in a particular definition But I was asking gary on uh real bbc. When do you believe we'll get the first flop that Basically, it comes under the budget the like actual stated budget when the box office comes up with that He believes wholehearted marvels will be that that's what's gonna happen. And if it does That would be my guess because who the fuck cares People don't care about ad-bad. Who even know who they are or what they're doing. Wow How about the fact here's here's what I don't get Captain marvel made over a billion dollars A billion dollars now whether you like it or not five billion, I think yeah take brie larson out of it It made a billion dollars Uh, why would any sequel to that movie not be called captain marvel 2 yet? No, I I can understand that for sure I think they were on top of the world in terms of like you can do anything Instead it's a marvels and captain marvel 2 I mean I And and and look like brie larson or not I mean the fact is if you're if you top line if you're the star of a billion dollar movie I don't care who you are or what your representation is if someone tells you We're gonna bring in miss marvel a tv show person And and and and look I love the 80s captain marvel. I do Polaris whatever you call her We're gonna bring some tv stars into your billion dollar movie. Yeah and call it the marvels I'd be like I don't even from a business standpoint. I'm like what because they were originally gonna call the captain marvel 2 And then they changed it right and I assume that's just something they're now trying to stick to even though They must know that's a bad idea and I will say I mean I don't think Captain marvel 2 makes a billion either But it's clearly the better choice in terms of anybody who actually cares about captain marvel could at least be told in the most simplistic way This is a sequel Here's the thing about captain marvel and I said this on When it came out Mothers and daughters having a movie to go see Is a big deal. I even said before it came out I said this movie is gonna make a billion dollars because it's about Mothers and daughters. I haven't hadn't even seen it It made a billion dollars And and why I I am perplexed Why any movie franchise that made a billion dollars, which is not something every movie franchise does Why would you change it? And be honest with you, dude I think you're generous to say it's about mothers and daughters because I did a I look I'm not I'm not talking about the quality of the movie. I'm talking about from a purely business Oh, well from business perspective. I would have said it's the movie that sits between Infinite infinite. We're talking about captain marvel, right? It's the movie that sits between infinity war and endgame and there's teasing information that I think explains entirely why it makes money Like could be Listen, I'll let you give me 90 seconds. I'll be right back. But I just want to say that Yes, that's true But I would I would also say that it is a movie. It was a movie about female empowerment mothers and daughters It had an audience marvel didn't have before That also went just because it was become. I mean lots of movies Deadpool 1 and 2 they didn't make a billion dollars I mean it made a billion dollars and the reason it did was because it had that extra added oomph Of the I mean remember we dudes who love the mcu or love marvel I was primed to hate that film By the way, I've read the scripts for secret invasion. Let me come right back and I'll tell you about that. Oh, shit I actually googled it This cinema blend article says that as far as 2019's captain marvel goes apparently the audience was 55 percent men and 45 percent women Wow. Well, is that unusual? That's the thing that I need to kind of find out. I'm not certain That uh, here there's a statistic Article on viewership. Let's see Sheriff consumers who have watched selected marvel studio superhero films in the united states as of february 2018 by gender so um, it looks like da da da Female and let me turn off dark view. I think it's messing with the colors Ah, the screen's so bright dark reader is one of my favorite extensions. Um So it looks like I'm just there's a bunch of stuff here. I just want to kind of pick out So one or more movies from the avenger series. It looks like 38 percent female and 45 percent male and it doesn't add up to Sheriff consumer. Is this by is this percentage or by a certain number? I'll have to As of 2018 around 45 percent of male respondents and 38 percent of women Stated that they had seen one or more films from marvel's the avenger series The most widely viewed individual series within the marvel universe is iron man with around 48 percent of men and 41 percent of females Why would they say men and females instead of men and women? That's an odd way to um But yeah, it looks like just and it doesn't surprise me that generally More men see the movies and women. Yeah, I would though it looks it looks as if depend different films have different Different gaps, but it looks like it's about 9 10 percent Oh, this is interesting. Um, so the One or the percentage one or more movies from the guardians of the galaxy series. So one or two 36 percent of female respondents said they'd seen it and 41 percent of men said they'd seen it So that's only a five percent gap, which is the smallest however 37 percent of female respondents and 28 percent of male respondents said that they had seen none of the marvel studios movies Wow, so So that is the the only uh, essentially the only gap that has women ahead of men In this survey is the one for not having seen any of the movies So, yeah, it looks like generally males are more likely to see these movies and yeah, that makes sense um At least to some because part of what they've been trying to do is increase their um Sort of appeal to female audiences, right, which is you know I'm not exactly someone who generates Genre statistics to figure out exactly what appeals more to male or female audiences to an exact science or anything But I genuinely I thought captain marvel was so shit that I don't see why it would appeal more so to I didn't um, even the trailers like I don't remember anybody talking about how this is going to be an exciting sort of action film with an undercutting of a Mother daughter story because I remember the whole uh, the net banning character She's not really in it that much and then well Like what relationship would you say you're referring to with the mother daughter thing? Well, here's the thing. I mean mother daughters in terms of who's going to the theater not in the movie. Oh, okay Yeah, and and here's here's what I would say And I said this early on before even the movie came out. I said the the mother daughter audience Like moms and their daughters go into the movies. They're not given a lot of action heroes Or heroines what it whatever you want to call it and captain marvel They really played in like I think it's an anomaly. Yes, it came between infinity war and endgame it did but I would be very interested to see I I think most as you talked about just now I I think most people most we're we're fucking geeks. So we are The people that are following this stuff religiously but I think most people don't and when mom sees it like like my mother doesn't know Fuck all about movies my mother is is is is the most pragmatic woman in the world and I have to tell you In which she's 83 now when she was 70 years old. I took her to see avatar in i max 3d She'd never seen an i max movie and she saw a 3d movie in like the 50s And my mother is was she's she raised an imagination connoisseur and and and was a great mom But my mother had no imagination. She was incredibly like uh What's going on right now? If I was making a Cookies she'd want to know did you use enough flour? I'm like, I don't know mom You know she was that woman she won So when I when I went and saw avatar with her When it was over, um In in in what 2009 My mother looked at me with Eyes as wide as saucers. I mean my god. I saw wonder in my mother's eyes for the first time in my life And she looked at me and she said Because she calls me bobby She said bobby How did they do that? uh And and I I I you know for the first time and to be fair My mother as a kid The first time she said I need she took me to see logan's run in 1976 Oh, that maybe sucks. I was fucking nine dude. Come on That's a bad movie No, I can appreciate it, but that's a bad movie the plot No, you're you're a young kid. Come on. You're looking back I saw nope. I'm not looking back Well, I mean everything that I all of my everything in my memories. I'm looking back, but yeah, I saw it not too long ago It's bad, but you know that's controversial. All right, right? Okay, it shouldn't be if I'm in a video talking about the plot issues and the character issues with that That is a bad. Oh my god. Oh my god. Okay You you have to put things in historical context when they came out so logan's run was based on a novel by George Clayton johnson and william f. Nolan. It was born out of the sixth novel's better Well, the novel's about people that died at 21 That's and uh, it was all about people who never trust anyone over 30 There's a whole so that movie when it came out It won an academy award for visual effects just saying and it was mind-blowing I saw it in a gigantic theater Uh, the john danz theater and in in belview, washington. My mother took me and my sister. She was seven. I was nine It was astonishing because No one had ever seen anything like that before And and there was nothing like you have to remember that when things came out And I'm not I'm not saying this should be given a pass but When logan's run came out it was a big gigantic mgm release It was a big deal and and now we look at it and I don't disagree with you It might not be a great movie but at the time And and this is what I feel that that I feel that historical context is being lost in all all of our discussions because Everyone's looking at things like right now And and it's so weird like like people go back and judge things these special effects are terrible And I'm like but guys when the movie came out there were no better special effects logan's run Won the academy award for visual effects a year later star wars came out And I get it Right and here's the thing I I agree with you logan's run not a good film. Whoa that changed dramatically over the past five I'll take it It's it's it's not a good movie Damn, but I love it. I love it. It changed my life. There's things to like about it. Absolutely That chicken the green dress Oh, well, well, okay When she dropped trowel in the ice cave I mean there are so many things but I would say this I would say this you have to remember And it's it's very interesting now I would implore everybody You have and I have to say Dave Cullen Has been doing a really great series of reviews Of 70s dystopian films Colossus the foreman project rollerball Oh, he's he's done a very good job of contextualizing and looking at these films. It's really difficult To look at movies like logan's run Without taking their historical context into consideration And the fact that The guys who wrote that movie george clayton johnson wrote original twilight zone episodes wrote Star trek episodes or a star trek episode. I mean and so there's a whole historical context And when you look at logan's run and go Dude, you're right It's it's not good But I my nine-year-old self That movie changed my life. I mean it was crazy. And then a year later. I got star wars And my nine-year-old self was it made me go out and buy the novel And then logan's run was probably one of the last I'm not Super familiar, but I feel like logan's run was kind of like um Jaw-dodge in a way where it was like the last Of that kind of science fiction And then star wars you know that they made a tv series Of for logan's run logan's run. I did not know. No, I didn't know that. Yeah Oh, yes, wait. How what the what year was that? God awful the year of god That's on 1977 Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Like the movie it was the same year that was a year later and it was terrible Now here's the thing about logan's run It was based on a counterculture novel in the I want to say 67 60s. Yeah, logan's run was not based. It was cringe Well, well, I know but but but The novel the novel is very different than the film that was made and the original writer who wrote the first script was richard maybomb who wrote a lot of james bond films and um It's it's a very interesting. I mean, I would say that here's the thing There's a historical context to all of genre Fiction movies whatever and I think I think it's important to consider um It's important to consider where these things came from And when a studio buys a script, I'll give you an example like right now Oh for my life a speed racer I did coverage Which means I had to read a script and and and uh write Here's what happens. This is crazy So when a studio or an agency gets a screenplay They have to have what's called coverage and coverage is a three page document Where you synopsize the script You know, you have to write exactly what happens in it and then you write comment So you have the the the title page a synopsis and then your recommendations I read professionally 3000 screenplays in my life For various agencies and and production entities Damn, I said I said yes You're never supposed to say yes I read 3000 screenplays. I said yes to one The only screenplay that I said yes to was Andrew Andy Andrew Kevin Walker's script for seven Ah that david fincher made I said yes to this he was a clerk at tower records and there was a there was a particular guy named gavin pollone And he worked in an agency called bower benedict that later became uta And and everything he sent I worked for joel silver I made lethal weapon and diehard and all predator and all that I work for him I was a reader for him And um, there was two of us two two professional readers that read scripts for him and um When I got that script I I asked to get everything that came from him because he had great taste Everything he sent not of not all of it should have been made, but it was at least good When I read seven I was like, oh I'm like, this is the greatest script like fucking ever. It was so good The guy andy kevin walker was a clerk at tower records in new york city That said logan's run to tie it in The first draft script the novel was great and then it took them years years Seven they they said you can't make this movie where where one of paul tro's heads in a box you can't do it And and they tried for years. I like we can't do it. We can't do this Wait, you can't make this movie Because you can't kill the hero's wife And david fincher said Oh, yes, we can That's why I want to make this movie. I'm not going to make this movie if I can't kill And put her head in the box Yeah, that's why I want to memorable elements of the film funnily enough Yeah forward And that's a thing no one will I mean there's an mtv shatner. What's in the box? I mean And here's the funny thing the fact that logan's run got made finally The the I actually have the original richard baybomb script where there's an apology Where they have to explain before you read the script, um, this is a uh It's it's a thing about youth revolting against the uh adults And it's crazy that that movie even got made Now here's the thing nowadays you go back and you look at it. I agree with you It's not a good movie It's not But you have to look at it and it's historical context. It was never good enough I haven't seen logan's run at least nor the sense that i'm familiar with it. I can't talk about this We'll watch it baller. We'll watch it someday But you can't say that it wasn't ever good because I can't I saw it change my life No, no, I guess I can change your life. I get it. Yeah, dude the prequels changed a lot of people's lives It's kind of like a terrible. I understand. I understand but but but in 1976 When that movie opened at the john dance theater now, here's here's I'll tell you something else So it was on a double bill because they showed two movies the second film Was a animated sci-fi film that I dearly love called fantastic planet Ah fantastic planet Yeah, which I so Uh, my mom sat through Logan's run liked it and then fantastic planet started and if you ever watched it my mother First time only time man handled me. She grabbed my wrist and she said I am not going to sit here and watch a movie where human beings are treated like ants And if you know fantastic planet, you know that but She dragged me up at my seven-year-old sister didn't know what to do. She followed me and my mom out And it took me three years later 79 to see I went to a double feature of wizards and fantastic planet Oh the Ralph back shoe wizards. Yeah Yeah, it's a trip. Yeah. Yeah, and and uh, so anyway, logan's run At the time Was a big deal for science fiction fantasy and horror fans because There was no movie that was that huge that gigantic on those big screens Now we look at it. I agree with you It's not good but but At the time it was mind blowing And I always think that's gonna be amazing. I think it's gonna be mind blowing and memorable, but but his story Historical context needs to be you you always have to take into consideration the historical context, especially because uh, the the the 70s were were filled With dystopian sci-fi cinema boy and his dog Roller balls. Oh, I hate that fucking movie so much. Oh, my dad showed me that a boy and his dog My dad's like, oh, you should watch this you should watch this And I watched it and maybe what my least favorite movie of all time Oh, my god, I hate a way to put that you hated it I guess least favorite, but but but but here's the thing in 1975 when that movie came out Based on a harlan ellison short story You know starring don johnson um that film It it it meant something at the time it came out and and I I do think you cannot Disassociate The historical Call it the zeitgeist of the time you have to consider the zeitgeist Why did that movie get made at that time? Because someone was smoking something there were toxic fumes leaking into the room But that's the easy way out. I mean when you make a movie If we if we would actually bridge the gap I like ultimately the conversation is It's two different conversations You can respect where it comes from and the work that went into it and how it was relevant and groundbreaking at the time And then you can also have a perspective on it about like what do you think of its quality? That's basically a hundred percent. Yeah, these are different things. Yeah, we also And I would say this I mean I mean Logan's Run came out in 1976 We're we're the better part of half a century on So it's not it's not uh Absolutely, you should look back at it from this perspective and judge it on its own merits 100% and I I I do think all literature and all cinema Uh stands to be judged from the perspective you're at right now However, I also think that while you're judging it. It just needs to have a historical perspective Uh considered at the same time We know all about that a lot of praise that I levy for Jurassic Park is the fact that it was made in 93 Or at least the adding that context in because that is some I mean oftentimes more impressive because it's like damn It feels like everything they're achieving in this would have been made easier By making it today the irony of course being that you don't see anything like this today. Uh, nobody's no I would say that that Jurassic park is you know a masterpiece Yeah, and it transcends the time in which it was made Because it doesn't and so on that note, right? Like we celebrate it for the fact that it was made in 93 and yet if it came out today It would be glorious in the same way that if something that we consider to be of lower quality today It doesn't get away with it so to speak if it came out at a time where everything was lower quality and thus This is the things a lot of things can age Incredibly well alongside stuff that people will try to forgive because of its time Yeah, because um, well, it's funny. I mean it's aged incredibly well in terms of it's like storytelling vocabulary That film feels incredibly modern Uh, meanwhile, there are other films that are just going to be difficult for like a modern audience to get into from that time period just because of the mismatch and Whereas I guess you look at something like Jurassic park part of what's so exceptional about it is That it really does feel like it has a timeless quality 30 years later. It feels like it came out today Oh We need to see Casablanca sometimes because that's I that's from 1942 Made in 41 Yeah, and that was a that's a film that has really it it seems very modern in a lot of ways. Uh, oh my god I I recently rewatched another good example You're absolutely right. Those movies are timeless, but they but they are Uh movies that take place in the time they were made So, I mean, yeah, they're they're they're contemporary Uh movies, yeah But but they're certainly holed up and the characters hold up. It's all 100 percent 100 percent both quite good Mahler, I have to say I I feel A little embarrassed that I've tried to defend Logan's run. If what why? Only because you you gentlemen I I respect all of you and Um, uh, I'm defending a movie that isn't good. There's just I don't really have an opinion on it Yeah, it depends on what you defend about it. There's things that I like about it. But yeah, well Look, I would say I would say to to here's the thing when you asked me to come on this stream One of the things that appealed to me Is that I've watched your dissections of the trilogy the the sequel or the prequel trilogy And for hours And I'm like this guy gets it man like he understands and it's not it's not a malicious takedown. It's more of a Why isn't this better? Like you want you you want The prequel trilogy to be great Like you want it to be great. That's what your entire All of these things are about you love great stories And you understand why great stories are great And you want the prequel trilogy to be great when I watch your for hours. How many hours collectively like between phantom menace Attack of the clones and revenge of the sith. How many hours is that? 7 72. I don't know something like that You know what? All of those all of those videos you make They are all about storytelling Verisimilitude it's all about tell me a great story And you love the only reason you made them is because you love star wars. It's like Well, yeah, I love those videos you made and I You should be being paid by oxford to class on on on storytelling I mean you really should because those are a master class in breaking down how to tell a story cinematically and Oh, go ahead. Well, so The because we've got lots of coverage pulling off on e-fap for prequels The sequels I think we I don't even know how to count that But the yeah, the all all of it comes from loving of the franchise The reason we don't cover star trek here as anyone near as much in terms of its downfall is I've got no familiarity with the original stuff like we don't just go after anything. That's bad It's usually from a place of loving as where it came from. I've I've never thought you've done that I'm just saying I've always thought that that your work came from love Yeah, and I I mean I love movies. Uh, well stories. I know and when you asked me to come on the show I'm like really Baller wants me to go on a show. Hey, we've been on shows before it's always been fun. I know but not your show You know And and and it was it dude Your work. I mean, I know I always say this but your analysis Is incredibly valuable and I would say that anybody who's who's working in an ip Should watch your videos Whether you agree with them or not Uh, your analysis is incredibly useful and and very insightful and you you know Politically, whatever you if you don't believe in it fine, but your breakdown is so well articulated It will help anyone and by god does ip The people that the the the corporations hire to manage their ip is so wrong And and what's funny is Jurassic park was directed by a master Spielberg and then it became an ip And and and even this ip the the if you look at what happened to it and the problem is Uh, well if you look at money, perhaps Jurassic park dominion might prove that it's important To have people that understand a franchise to manage that franchise But either way Your videos the stuff you've done Might help the next generation understand how to telegrade story I'm hoping everybody in our sort of spheres. I believe that can inspire people in any way or shape or form to Bring storytelling into some some upward projection the idea that we can have that level and of an effect would be Incredibly wonderful honestly. Um Because well, I think you have that. Um, well, and seriously, I appreciate you Give me all these incredible compliments. They're uh, they're very kind of you know, what here's the thing It's not a compliment. You earned it. You did like i'm just a bloke watching your videos Your analysis of story is unbelievable And uh, I think everyone who wants to understand how ip should be I I really believe that And um your your work the same way. I mean, you know not to equate you guys but red letter media I didn't know those guys. I watched their generations star trek generations a movie. I fucking hated And they did such a great takedown of it and I became fans of them because I realized oh, they really get star trek They really understand The ip Just like your take. Oh, I wouldn't say they were takedowns They were they were um post mortems the critiques. Yes the rage videos. I say They're they're critiques, but uh And but they come from a place of love. Well, and you know on that note, perhaps we should get back to loving Jurassic park. I reckon. I by the way, I have to go. I'm like, I'm I've been getting buzzed I didn't even realize I had a feeling you some people I apologize. I apologize and oh, that's fine. Absolutely. Okay, man. No worries. Um, thank you all for having me. I'm like Uh, my lady's go. She's like, where are you? Hey, listen, you've been here for a good five hours almost five and a half So don't you worry about it? We shall we shall bring it home if you need to uh, if you need to head home and I I it was such an honor to stream with all three of you and uh, thank you so much for having me. I mean, I I love this 100% and uh, uh, it's so great and mawler your videos my god Uh, what what a privilege to speak with you because I really do Love the work you've done and I can't imagine how long it took you to do that work Uh, astonishing. Oh, like I said, man, it really is. It's something else mawler. That is incredible I appreciate the compliments heavily. I've had more today than I ever get usually People like he must be blushing is like But hey man, I very much appreciate your work too and we will see each other again soon enough on the internet. I am sure Absolutely and and and seriously, man It's a great honor all three of you guys and Uh, you know, this is why this is what I love about the internet You know why because mawler your work Makes me think about my views You know and and I on my whole channel. It's like every person has a story to tell All you have to do is listen and and your analysis Made me rethink what I thought and isn't that great? Yeah, isn't that what's really something? Yeah mawler. Yeah, man. And isn't that what the world's all about like? I once heard somebody say you should never think you know something Because if you know something you stop thinking about it and you should always allow yourself to Open up what you think you know And allow other ideas to come inside and absolutely humans my god Do your god mawler? That's true He's right mawler 100% How's it going? Thank you so much for coming on and uh, we'll see you again sometime. I'm sure Thank you. This is amazing. Absolutely It catch life it did. Yeah, we will see you later I I can't I thank you so much. I mean honestly. No, thanks for being here and being here for so long Oh my god. Are you kidding? It's the best. Oh, you guys are the best By the way, we we need to do a logan's run stream Let's do it. Now now now I'm gonna have to go watch it Again, well wait, don't watch it yet We can we can wrangle mawler into it and fringy and they can they can marvel at the film production that is logan's run Okay, I love that you you tempered that that's I appreciate that but we should because it's very interesting That was the last big budget studio sci-fi film before star wars And we could talk about it in that way Yeah, it would be very interesting. I can't I understand. It's not great. It's not great Anyway, gentlemen, I salute all three of you. Doodle pips are curious There he goes Your mother fucker with the great wild yonder Repeating it over and over again. I a crusader Hey, you know what? I have to bounce it out and say I love the work you two do. Okay I fucking find it insightful But it fails in to in comparison to the incredible Monumental work that you mawler do You have inspired us both fringy myself and so many others Are you uh, you feeling all right? You good? You good? No, I'm good. What what do you mean? What's that? What was unusual about that? Nothing at all? I appreciate the I'm just expressing my undying praise for you and everything that you do and the inspiration that it causes and You know, I just want to let you know that how I like you finally let me know this It's uh, and I appreciate fringy. I assume you like my work too, right? Uh, I mean i'm a fan. I mean it's obviously influenced in some part an aspect of the way that i'm making stuff That was like an intro to be as sarcastic as you want. It sounds like you go in serious. I can't tell anymore I don't know what's happening anymore fringy is what we call inspiration from uh From all sorts of places when it comes to like creating stuff and I guess the interesting thing is looking at um It seems like people are a lot more reticent about uh Inspiration in terms of like youtube compared to what you would typically see with people talking about like film or television or Yeah, yeah balls right where people kind of wear those inspirations on their sleeves I'm glad that people are willing to say they're inspired by youtube content. Like I don't want that thing to say it's a good thing because I if there's one thing that I would like to see more it's that people take Making stuff for youtube seriously rather than oh, it's just dumb youtube videos. Like maybe they're dumb for you but like a lot of people put a lot of work into uh Into making videos. Um a lot of people just don't know what goes into it. They just have no idea They take it for granted. They don't know the work that goes into making just edits Well, I think uh, the problem is that when it comes to Basically any film that makes it to theaters everybody's working hard on that Um, more or less whereas when it comes to youtube videos a lot of it's just shit Like it's just you know and and partially because you can basically throw up whatever you want So it can be like Low editing no scripting which that doesn't necessarily make it good or bad either by the way Um, it's just that barrier to entry is non-existent on youtube with everything that comes with it um Yeah, better and worse And I just want it said, um, we do try with uh guests on eFab to personalize them And I had the full intention of listening to a lot of rob and myobinette talking about everything to do with film and his experiences um And plenty like like was was gained tonight in terms of me just listening to all kinds of things that we get into I never expected we talk about um, what was that aperture point of view fields, uh focal length Yeah, all the creations different shows and movies cameras I will say, um, look if ever there was a podcast to explore in length whatever you'd like to Tangentilize it may or may not be this is the one We do not discourage it. Well, and uh, yeah, I think You're passionate about go for it. Talk about either tipsy or full on drug. I couldn't quite tell But uh, it was drug Passion if anybody's ever seen shows that he and I are on they don't run that way usually I think he was uh, he was a little he's Had a little bit of sauce and made for some uh, very interesting topics and rants and stuff that I like I said I I'm a big fan of of Robert as a as a person He's like one of the most sincere people you'll ever meet online And uh, I really love the you know as of recently you put his uh integrity on the line to defend What he thought was strong work right in the form of Picard season three and it seems like people are coming around on the show So it's a kind of cool. Obviously. I just don't Have an investment in star tracks. I can't say too much to it in the same way that I've invested in logans run Well, I've never the only thing I know about logans run is the parody that they did in family guy Yeah, yeah, right with the gem in the hand like and brian was running around to get chased The city with a route if you watch family guy you end up just getting laden with a lot of references from the 80s and 70s Anyway of media. Yeah Very referential. That's good though Well, the thing the thing is when you look at a lot of uh 90s simpsons episodes Well, really it's all the simpsons, but like there's so many references But there are a lot more carefully crafted like One of my favorites, obviously is the uh the terminated to parody with uh homo with fled is Nettie You know like a punt down at the night netty and he starts chasing off you with a blank Lodges himself on it instead of like the t1000's claws at the golf club slamming into the car There's a lot of slamming into the car. All right I thought I said slamming into the car. Sorry. Is that like an Problem it's it's kind of ruined the entire stream the difference between slamming and slamming. I can't I can't take it But it's it's interesting like with Jurassic park how When you like watch the film again and you just you just remember so many of the things that this film did That are just persistently referenced both in ways that are obviously more overt nods to it and borrowing or uh Leveraging some of the things like the vibrating water, right? That's that's become a thing in so many Movies at this point of like if you focus in on water Vibrating because of you know loud fuds and everything on the ground um Well, I mean I was gonna say uh, we will now Continue talking about Jurassic park. Well likely what we got next in the actual t-rex Yeah, and it's um as it's fucking around with uh Grant and the and the kid it pushes them off the side into that pit I was talking about Which like I said logistically speaking not sure if it's supposed to be there or not need to check but uh You know it makes I didn't even register that first time like when I It's particularly this shot that makes you think like wait a minute like yeah Like how far does this pit go? And it's like I don't see how the t-rex got up How did this because even from this angle the fact that it levels out to the same level like a little bit further on It's like man. That's gonna be a steep sort of drop in it You wonder if there's like a hill Like Yeah, a hill to the left some place where it can I don't know it's it's a little bit confusing Yeah, like I said, I have to look into it, but Yeah, they start repelling down one of the broken wires and uh the kid is uh still in the car and he's gonna end up in the tree Because the t-rex is just continuously pushing it. I guess looking for a chance at his food What type of stressful isn't it because it's so much that grant just cannot account for No, like all of this crazy stuff and he's on his own having to deal with it and how can he it's a t-rex Well, that's the thing two of the adults are knocked out so quickly like one's eaten one's uh Well knocked out. Yeah and uh, he's all on his own some yeah at this point. It's a disaster and You know, it's only gonna get worse, but something I quite like is uh Hammond being like robert I wonder if perhaps you could take one of the gas jeeps and bring back my grandchildren. It's such a like Strong and stewing way of what is actually happening some textually. It's just good god. Please save my children Yeah, like my grandchildren and and muldoon is just like yeah Because yeah, yeah, he jumps right in Yeah, of course. I'm the one that's gonna do that. That makes the most sense Yeah, none of these characters are just the asshole that we can see Die later that I think a lot of other films would do it's like, oh, this guy's just the jerk We can have him get eaten and people will like by the way how how refreshing is it of a character saying? I'm going with you and they're not like no, you're staying here. They're like no I can do this all. No, I'm doing that. It's just it's just you. Yeah, like I am coming with you. It's like, yep All right, let's go. He's probably like, yeah, please come with me. I'm actually kind of fucking terrified It would be nice to have him come with me It's downright refreshing to have that which is funny considering that a lot of films often want to do in that Bullshit of like no, you're staying here. All right Well, that's um, there was another line that prompted me to say something very similar. It was later on when the it was in this room when Sam Neil and Laura Dern, I forget their character names escaped me But they're at the door the velociraptor is trying to push in the door and the shotgun has fallen down and uh Ellie she Says uh frantically as they're trying to keep the door shut. I can't get basically said I can't get the shotgun without leaving the door and I'm like, yeah It makes sense that you'd yell that to him because he might not necessarily know that and it's a frantic panicking situation And you just want to make that really clear to him so that he understands what's happening in this frantic moment something that uh, because because it happens with the um The car which comes right that's rifle. No, wait, wait, wait. No. No, it is not a rifle It's a 12 shotgun. Yeah, it's a classic italian model um, what I was going to say was uh something that Like you look at a lot of the really stressful situations that occur in the film Uh, especially parts where it's like real close, you know how films like to cut it real close in terms of our Big dramatic moments and often how frustrating it is when characters are saved by an inconvenience This film has a lot of instances that are inconvenient for the characters in terms of timing what's happening And where situations get worse because of very understandable honest mistakes like um like when when with the car when uh Grant like accidentally like when he moves the steering wheel and then it redirects the tire to where it loosens its grip on the uh On the tree. It's like a nice Because they knew Presumably they knew when filming it It's like it's going to be annoying if we just have him take the kid out of the car and then for some reason The car falls when there's less weight It's like no if we can find a way to make this make something happen And I I appreciate the fact that he just instinctually grabs onto a thing that's there Which is the wheel and then it turns he's like ah fuck and then those wheels turning fucks up its leverage on the on the tree branches Which is good stuff. Yeah Breach drama and it's it's it's not some bullshit like it's a really honest sort of arrow Um as opposed to characters being stupid because nobody in this film is is dumb right people are making The best decisions they can in difficult situations I find to be a lot of understandable right because we were about to talk about Dennis's death scene The one thing I said this while watching iraq's the one thing I never fully understood in this movie is The slip sound effect he has it goes Like yeah, we noticed that it was so weird Um of all the things, you know, you just like is this there's not many of them in the film at all There's just this one audience can hear it. It's it's yeah, but I can play it legitimately like a slapstick He slips that's so Bizarre it stands out from an otherwise very serious film Yeah, I'll try and get it up and say oh here we go. Okay Hopefully this comes out It's actually kind of quiet, but you could hear it the like a Definitely a cartoon sort of thing hearing it again. Is it an easter egg? I I'm really not sure I don't think it's an easter maybe it was used. Yeah, maybe it's in another Steven Spielberg movie and this was the It's just hearing it again. It's like, what are you doing in this film? I've seen two people say that's the cable No, what would a cable make that sound? No, maybe like maybe it gets pulled back in Are you this is are you sure? Well, it gets yanked out right because that's what he's doing. He's holding on to it Hmm, I guess it's getting yet like rewound. It's making that noise. I don't understand like I always thought it was uh Not in universe All right, like a non-diagetic sound. I didn't think it was I mean, I guess it could be because someone else is saying it's the dilophosaurus, right? Like in the background It's like, I don't know about that either I don't think it would be that It's always come across to me is just to be like, oh, there he goes There he goes tumbling down the hill Yeah, because if it was the If it was the wire then the rewinshing sound wouldn't happen until after like he lets go or something But he has it here in his hands, doesn't he? So that's what I'm saying I'm holding on to it as he fell but then if he lets goes is it drawing back in and that's a slapstick slip sound That's what it seems to me. I just don't That doesn't feel quite right as the cable sound. I don't know. Yeah, I get you Very quick too. It's not like a Right, right, right. I need to I'll google what the sound actually was I'll look up the sound guy and he can tell me what it really was Passing gas or something and he put it in the film Very specific thing Yeah, well, if I suppose if it was supposed to be the cable that varied up But I've always thought it was like a cartoon slip sound Someone said it was foreshadowing for his part in space jam Oh, yeah He was yes, he gets flattened in that and then reinflated Yeah It's a very normal movie. We should check it out sometime when he found movies Are you gonna make us watch the remake? Uh, the sequel? Yeah, the recoil maybe, uh, but yes, of course I'm gonna watch the other all right So We got us uh him him gradually Working to get his car free of the wreckage of this the law for source just playing with its food for a while seemingly Or trying to assess its potential danger obviously because it wouldn't know what to do It's sizing it up like I don't know like you're a big strange looking creature You know you're brightly colored You are not really afraid of me But I can't quite tell Yeah, it's it's just it's like it's like the dog in the last of us You know what makes you wonder if you don't know what he's thinking He took the jacket off and like waved it around in front of him. Maybe he would scare it off I don't know, but uh, he doesn't take it seriously. He's he's like it'll be I don't have any food I got off at all me leave me alone sort of thing Um Even tries to play fetch with it, which I think is very much a signal that he's under resting it may in it significantly Um Because yeah, it's uh this scene goes a little scary a little fast the uh The whole like yeah The the the visual of it like spreading it's um, I don't even know what body part thing they're called, but uh Pretty creepy and then yeah, he gets black for news Gets hit enough with this stuff and earlier they did say it can uh blind and paralyze So, um Yeah, making his way into the car is uh, the Deloff source is already in there before he gets in as well So it's just eats him in the car presumably and I just love the shot where it pans down Uh, yep, we see the bobbas all can just getting buried by mud All of that all of that scientific progress all of that engineering all of that technology and human innovation And ultimately it's just back in the mud Never to be seen again Back to the dirt. Well That's the thing it, uh, I kind of remember which movie it's it. It's one of the sequels the bobbas all can pops up um The same for the you know the cane or whatever iconic thing that they like from Uh, these movies they can reference them either visually or in just like it's that thing We've talked about it before but Star Wars does it a hell of a lot It's whatever the fans kind of like suddenly it gets transposed into the universe in its sequels It's kind of like that doesn't make any sense at all. Why would you? Well, why would you have it that way like why would And and a lot of these universes they like Almost treat the events of the movie as instead of a disaster as like this cool thing that happened Because movie like it's a complete inconsistency that's frustrating but Anyway Maybe they could they could have a sequel where the the embryos They fuse with the mud and become dinosaur mud monsters like the sand man and spider-man 3 Yeah, I've been really really awesome and cool. They destroy human civilization Yeah, they gradually realized that the the because I'm sort of we're able to skip a couple of things We've talked about some of these things but the the wheel the turning the reaching of the branches and the they've literally got like, uh This there's something to be drawn out of this right like a car crashing through a tree that's potentially going to kill them It's like the tree is the only thing separating them from death right now Kind of interesting. Yeah. Yeah, just climbing down. I mean, these are just cool. Uh, they're cool set pieces really They're just like really tension-filled Uh, and then they ratchet up dramatically at points like it's um, this film knows how to Sort of build up that tension in any given scene and then you know bring it to a really satisfying payoff I Yeah, I'm not sure Because well first up to what you were saying, right? It's like a lot of the uh suspense and tension and uh conflict in this movie It's very small scale and believable It's a guy and a boy and they're trying to you're just climbing away from a car You know and it's a fairly extended sequence. It's not super fast Um, you have a lot of time to build up tension Um, you have a lot of time to sort of just be aware of what's happening. It's not like part Three in a series of 10 crazy wacky things that are just that are just total madness And it just keeps going and going and going and going you just you just have time to breathe in this movie And there's this you know, this kind of dread in the air of what you know bad things can happen Speaking of next scene we have ellie and moldoon have reached this main area where it's broken out and they managed to find Malcolm who I thought it was interesting that she notes about him that he's put a tourniquet on his leg Like with his own belt Yep, and he's just gone back to just lying there. I think which is uh So I do I wouldn't move a fucking muscle Just play there. Well, imagine being him like after everything he said and now this has happened. It's just like what a fucking joke This is uh, not fun No, yeah, he's got the belt on and the hand remind me to thank john for a lovely weekend Yeah, that's a lot of funny things to say which says can we chat's moving him? He says please chance it because they hear the t-rex Yeah Yeah, um, we get the we've already had the cup with the water sort of footstep stuff Now it's the footstep with the footstep. That's what I mean. It's like Up it aesthetically, which is really cool Yeah, no, it's neat seeing him uh reflected in it as well It's such a he's just terrified and it really helps to sell the the horror portions of this so I saw a couple people um Fighting over what exactly this qualifies genre wise. It's like, well, I guess it is a couple Moving in and around all of each other like uh people would try not to act forth Whether it qualifies as sci-fi It's like it probably should it's just a how significant Because because of what people think in their heads about what you'd expect from a sci-fi versus a horror versus a action adventure versus a thriller I don't know if you could count portions of this as thriller, but You know, it doesn't it doesn't really matter that much. It's more so just about how these things show up All this highlights its uh genre We can we can just move post it and talk about what's happening in the film But uh, yeah Malcolm being uh laid down in the back uh As they're driving right and it's just like all you could do is basically be a free meal for it While you're sitting there. So it's just terrifying for him Getting those screams and stuff. It's just like yeah, they made it's just a t-rex chasing them I say that whenever I say that you might think like wait, what do you mean? I mean, oh, sorry. I mean in reference to like where it is now Like uh, they if you remember promoting um Fallen Kingdom and Dominion I think they kept talking about how they have a record breaking amount of dinosaurs in the films It's like, okay. I don't care. Yeah, like what it's like this one has the most dinosaurs. Okay You can do way more with the last guys. It's like commonality with these sorts of things Well, it's it's uh, it's one of those Uh euphemisms that is said but nobody ever listens to it ever Less is more it's like yes, but less can be more and more is more More is more more exactly. That's right And yeah, uh Alan is just like fuck it. We'll stay up in this tree. It seems safe enough and uh, they get to marvel at The Brachiosaurus having some fun in a big old hood. I don't even know this would this be their paddock or are they free? What is uh I'm not I don't know actually, but I presume that they're just roaming about the place. Um Well, I was gonna say they must spend the majority of their time just eating right to sustain a body like that Wow, I think so. Yeah That's what herbivores often do like they're just spend most of their day all the time I do love these sharp contrasts of terror and beauty though throughout the film Oh, you just had that insane encounter with the t-rex to then be contrasted against this just beautiful moment Just nature, you know just observing nature even even though it's you know, probably shouldn't be in existence like this There's still something beautiful about it Does it not feel a little like we've flipped in terms of uh, the beginning was all about the majesty and amazingness of everything And then they like inject the characters talk about the horror element of it almost the You don't understand what you've done sort of thing now We're like exclusively in the horror section of the Experience that we're pulling some nice beautiful things out while we can you know, it's like a flip It keeps oscillating. Yeah, it keeps oscillating between this is horrifying, but still this is really cool, isn't it? But this is terrible. Yeah, but still yeah, I didn't need It's almost like it's on a meta level and it's reflected in the characters Um, but it's it's great for pacing as well after what was a pretty lengthy high intensity scene To just bring it back a little bit, you know fun to have Alan chilling out with the kids and they're even telling jokes and uh asking him for like reassurance Uh, you know about their safety and it's just like look at you go mate. You're almost a dad Yeah, naturally thrust into that role He's doing a great job. Meanwhile, did you really bring in trouble things considered? Yeah Well, yeah, it's such a horrifying scenario. You've got to keep it together for the sake of them The job he has right now Yeah, um the scene I love the scene with Hammond and Ellie coming up now and Yeah, I love as well the panning over all the imagery of the merchandising that's already begun for uh This park and we haven't even launched yet. Like of course, that's how it works. It's just the it's a reminder of Those are very 90s water bottles Yes, and uh, oh appreciate the columns in this room that have all uh fossils in them I imagine not real ones. Just uh the fun aside Well, hey, maybe they are real ones. He's sped no expense. I am that's right He's like you guys got to go out and find some fossils and then cut out a chunk So I can use them as pillars in the cafeteria of Jurassic Park We got to sell this thing And yeah with the the fact they didn't find the kids he's um He's talking about how like, you know, it's I'm sure they're fine because they're with Alan, you know He's the the best business or expert And he tells us about a little bit of his history to give you a really strong understanding of Hammond as a whole right that uh he when he came down from scotland he um would have He ran a flea circus and uh, he's describing like all of the amazing elements sort of thing But that from his point of view, it's obviously all fake The best you can do is temporarily convince people or even just sort of amuse them at the idea And that he always wanted something more real something that was you could reach out and touch something that was actually there And um, I really appreciate that that's like his big goal and you can finally offer the world that but then her coming back with like All of this is still fake. Uh, you've not actually appreciated what these things are or I can't remember um, who I first heard this wrong. So remember it just being an idea but The Hammond wants to show the world Something real something that's in its like originality. It's not like a joke or an illusion or anything But he simultaneously doesn't want the animals to be bound by their nature. He wants them to conform to what he needs Not about it. Um, it's you understand the track that gets him to this point because in a sense, it's very It's very understandable Like it's it's um, it's kind of a misguided appreciation for dinosaurs I think I mentioned earlier like when people like, yeah, I want to pet that wild animal It's like, yeah, you know, I get that there's some earnestness there But you know true respect for the animal is to like observe from a distance leave it be and in this case It's like a reverence for dinosaurs means accepting that they don't exist anymore And to observe them from a distance or at the very least if they were going to exist Not to Like have them bound by the rules of a theme park And yeah, just the desperate pleading with him that he's never really moved on from that flea circus It's all Insane to think That you can create this place the way that you envisioned without having insane repercussions in all all manners that they've covered throughout this film And yeah, and then it comes down to a fundamental that at least just like we just we got to save the people we love We've got to got to get them Yeah, like we just focus in on what matters right now Yeah, it's uh, there's just so much to be considering but ultimately what matters the most like well We got to get them to safety. That's the actual thing Fuck the park And uh, but it's just obviously that's what is on his mind is that this this crazy experiment that he spent so much time And all of his life almost led to it's completely fallen apart Exactly. Yeah, and it takes a little while for that to sink in and eventually does but it's understandable that it takes a while yeah And uh, he's eating all the ice cream so that it doesn't go so much to waste because of all the power fuckery and uh The freezer will have melted a lot of the ice so to speak It's it's a little bit of a clue as to what will be useful for the characters later Hmm, and then the dinosaur sneezes on the girl and it's funny uh Like the the the braggis are super cool and nice and friendly and then You know, it gives you a bit of reality. Okay snot comes with these things They have no it's not uh, yeah, it's a few million years behind on social decorum. Yeah It is a bit mean I'm not sure that you did it on purpose though No, he did Did he or did he not we got to figure this out Nice and gross, but anyway, uh Yeah, uh allen finds a bunch of uh broken eggs so It looks as if they found a way Or they made an omelette Either those must be expensive a dinosaur omelette that seems like um just yet another You know piece of information relating to the illusion of control that they had here You know, yeah, we control their breeding. No, you don't and you didn't even know It's um, it's kind of funny. I would even cite the Jurassic world evolution game I've played quite a few times is it's all everything you do to make the park function It's all like it's just what ellie said It's all you're pretending as though you really have control when you really don't everything you do is an attempt to maintain Like this long line of just trying to make everything function the way you want But everything keeps going wrong. Everything moves different ways because ultimately that's what you're trying to do You're trying to make it exactly the way you want it, but simultaneously for it to be itself It's completely incompatible And it's just it's just tough to Sort of learn fully because of course if we had hyper technology with intense thick Steel on every single cage and like a really good way to view it all it's like you can definitely get it to that point um But the you know, you're you're gonna be it reminds me of all that stuff I don't know if you guys have seen it's called blackfish the um The documentary about the worst of what's happened to like orcas throughout the world But you can get it so that you fully control them, but then you don't get them pretty much Yeah, exactly like at some point you're changing it so much that you you've lost What it wasn't you were trying to retain A lot of ships sank until we learned how to sail that's probably a way to put this Kind of how things can go Yeah, well I have it on good authority that the sea is always right the sea is always right that's true Yeah, that's true. Yeah, who said that again? Wise wise man. Yeah Wise man Said the sea is always right Totally forgotten who's brings a man who lost his wife to the ocean the lend deal, isn't it? The lend deal, that's right. Why we first we first hear it from the the ship master who's Training is still there and his two friends. The sea is always right Holy shit, do you think when they wrote that they were like people will find me to get that Well people find meaning in that I don't know what it is, but I'll leave it to you Amazon they went to the writers and like this so we're looking at this the sea is always right line What does it mean the writer said? Oh, you know, you know, you know, and then they just like change the subject carried on Uh Yeah, so their plan is to They need to reset the system fully to get everything back online from when Nedry Look at offline because they can't deal with his like I think they say there's two billion lines of code They need to sift through to find what he's done And so instead if you just reset the system, it'll all wake back up But to do that Turns everything off and then everything back on and it triggers the uh trip switch in their generator Which means the they've got to trip that back Before they can get everything back on And that of course if you've been paying attention means the raptor gates are down Yeah Oh, I thought when you said raptor gate, I was like there was some scandal happening involving the velociraptors I was like, what do you mean? Oh, right, of course um Yeah, they bump into galamimus Are they even I like that like they might do this kind of activity when being hunted I think Yeah, yeah, that's like uh-huh Then you might have a bit of concern but to be fair they they seem to feel at least allen does pretty safe Because I guess the the t-rex is gonna be much more invested in killing them than the galamimus than them Well, yeah, what what food sources is preferable little people It's always bug me in movies. Yeah, like you have food right there Why are you chasing some random things that are tinier and running away? It's like you have food right here to eat especially when animals There was a there was a real evolutionary Incentive to to minimize how much energy you're using to do this You know, you can't be expending too much effort Bet you'll never look at birds the same way again Maybe that's something they were hoping to achieve Like you'll always be scared of water with jaws and I'd be scared of birds because They're kind of like this big spooky t-rex, huh? They're just gonna open up bird park next You've seen Jurassic to hunt now bird park And yeah, so there's this moment where um samuel jackson's gone to go and sort out the trip switch And he hasn't come back in time So now they're uh, they're worried about where he is and it's kind of weird because He's he's killed And I think that's more than acceptable. It is the ob I guess we'll get there that I find to be absolutely hilarious I'm a bit silly. Yeah Um Anyway ellie suggests that they go and do the trip switch themselves and moldoon this time is the one that says I'll go with you Kind of cool. They've made a bit made a good team before, right? And uh, yeah, you got ham and and malcom are gonna try and guide them Where they need to go to sort out the trip switch Kind of makes you think Fuck it should have probably gone with arnold when he went, right? Um, they figured it was say potentially. I guess yeah, I guess they thought he'd be able to do it. Um But well And yeah, there's this moment where um Hammond offers that he should go instead of ellie and the implication being because he's the man She's a woman and she says, uh, we'll talk about sexism in survival situations when I get back And I just thought that was like it's like well, I give the guy some credit He's basically offering. Yeah, he's gonna be you know, chivalrous Because uh, it's obviously the better choice that you go than him, but he's still trying to offer it as like a Sort of, you know, I want to I want to look after those, uh, those wammons when you're in Specific circumstances. You basically should just be like I appreciate that But no way you're going to be able to outrun a velociraptor or even have a chance, you know you um But yeah, it's uh It's something that I I guess I appreciate the fact they threw it in for ham and that he was he would offer it Yeah, he's not he's not some like he's not some asshole He's a really nice friendly dude who just wants people to be happy and stuff It's uh Because you know the lawyer he doesn't get stayed the film for very long But you wouldn't catch him doing any of this stuff. He would just be cowering in like a closet or whatever Yeah, and then she'd save him I would save him Wait cowering a closet. I didn't mean to imply he's gay Oh He should be bravely in a closet proudly Yeah, uh, it's kind of cool. You have this moment of them just walking towards the destination Haber seas, uh, ellie, and then she we we pat over to bold dude He's fucking frozen and sweating and it's just like yeah, okay, and he's like no We're being hunted. It was like oh Yeah, and he basically just tells her very calmly to fucking run Get into that, uh, generator building now. It's all right run just run Get going i'll stay out here and uh be a chat deal with any, uh, velociraptors Yeah, that seems to be the uh the angle hopefully she can do it And uh, yeah, I guess anald went in there and a velociraptor followed him And that's what we would expect to happen have happened to make sense of that. Yeah Now unfortunately Around about the time they're planning on redoing these, uh fences our Group of alan and the two kids Getting out of the paddock. They were trapped in I guess Yeah, there is an electric fences are currently not operational. They're like how he checks Don't check by touching it. Yeah That would be that would be wise You don't check to see if a gun's loaded by pointing it at yourself and pulling the trigger. Yes, you do That's perfectly normal. This uh this bit of levity here as well Yeah, it's such a prick move That's not funny that was great It shows how the difference the the difference in the kids and how they react to you know He finds it funny, which is the correct time And it's also really appreciate him Trying to pry open the little gaps to see if they can get through Which would be you know, your natural kind of first attempt is to see yeah, can we fit through here? It shows gaps that are clearly large enough for the children to go through Yeah, the ones he was playing with I don't even think a child could get through but unfortunately the ones that are Clearly there's some ones at the bottom. Yeah the ones at the bottom They can clearly get through and he says you two go through here. I'll go up and over Yeah, which would solve their uh incoming issue Yes They can fit through there. Yeah Wait someone said Alan knew the cable was safe because it was in the middle Because it was in the middle I don't know what they mean by that. I thought that this whole thing was wired up like uh touch any part of it Oh, yeah, that's why he looks at the lights Yeah, I thought that even then I have He knew it was off because of uh the test with the stick and then Yeah, I would imagine the one he touches is normally going to electrocute you Yeah, and and plus the sign the dangers right there. That's an ancient meme. I'm sorry What oh, what are we? Oh, what Alan with the middle is Alan Alan Alan I know that the it wasn't even the velociraptor Alan. There's so many Alan. I think so The biggest fan they were they liked the middle the most right? Oh man Oh Middle is that I remember me hi cheeks sent me high. I remember that how he says, you know, you know The middle is we don't want things to end Alan in the middle Yeah, because it was something about game of thrones like the reason game of thrones was bad was because we all love the middle We want the middle to go on forever. We don't want an end. Yeah, we don't want to end absolutely wrong Stories work Oh, man, that is an ancient meme How far back was that that's efap like Oh, that that was the um What was that that was the wisecrack? I think it was wisecrack I'm it's making me because for some reason i'm connecting to this is my favorite pot. I don't know if that was the same video Um I love that meme too. Yeah Yeah, he's talking about the uh, yeah, that was randy the goblin Yeah, randy the goblin He wanted his gold ingots, uh Jesus christ Because we covered wisecrack talking about the disney things the disney ruining culture That was so weird I don't write nostalgic right now for these things Wisecrack on game of thrones having a chat with I think it was 46 Damn that is an old wasn't that 46? Um Go in honey I remember joe and honey. I was joe and honey I love gold. I love Oh But oh, wow, there's several animations made in relation to joe and honey dead mobile game Yes, this walking dead mobile game is what it was. Yeah Go 46 Oh good times. Wow. That was that was three years ago or so So that is a on point meme reference She reaches the switches and this is particularly intense now because we know I love this camera pan by the way. So cool As we know They are not off the fence yet and they do believe they are safe And then when she starts, uh charging it up to turn it on I mean, that's really worth pointing out as an appreciation A lot of writers wouldn't have done this is having it so that there's a warning light first to let people know these things are turning on It's like, hey That sounds like a reasonable thing that a writer would happily leave out because it will cause Issues in terms of raising the tension But uh, you managed to implement it well enough here that they know it and they now have to descend quickly because you can't just jump off um But the thing is uh He's not fast enough. He just ain't and he's getting all spooked So it's uh getting real close and he actually gets zapper runied and it would make me wonder Um, I don't think there's ever any overt reference to exactly how many volts are traveling through those things, but Uh Yeah, I'm the warning sign. It says 10,000. Oh in that case, I guess What happens to a human when they hit by 10,000 volts? What's interesting is that as I go into google and type in can 10,000 volts It autofills as can 10,000 volts kill Jurassic park kill Jurassic park um So you see the electric fences required at least 10,000 volts of voltage to contain the dinosaurs properly This is an assumption as mention is made about whether or not direct current or alternating current was used Also, it should be noted that it is in fact amperage not voltage that can lead to death by electrocution Um Let's see. It's it's possible for something to have 10,000 volts behind it and be relatively harmless Uh, it can be life-threatening under certain circumstances And sure enough here you go with tim from Jurassic park really have survived the shock um Let's see, uh, it's difference in voltage which creates large that's that's dang Yeah, I think it's okay that he uh survives this I don't know about him flying back though, but ultimately that he does get caught and obviously people are reference He's like well his heart does stop and it's like no. Yeah, of course I was just curious if that's unusual compared to just dying I wonder if it was just an instakill for people or not Um, it says if your body is only touching defense wires You wouldn't even feel it at least not the sustained current because I guess it's like when if you're being grounded or not Or why birds can land on, you know power lines and not, you know get exploded Uh, the cables are lashed together with thinner metal wires are conductive, but and while they're thinner than much higher resistance per foot Uh Carry on I will uh look and see no problem. Well someone in chat said voltage is the transport amperage is the payload So, um, these are not things I'm aware of so I have to do some google and wiki and but um We've now got the uh the moldoon scene and we kind of did talk about it already So i'm not sure what else to say about it. It's really fucking good Yep, it really is it it is incredibly tense. I believe this man fully believes that he is uh Completely matched here and that he has to be careful with every single step But that he wasn't aware of hunting patterns of velociraptors when they are together Or the very least it caught him off guard and the clever girl thing is just Perfect meme format And I think they have a puppet on him right animatronic potential Eating him quote-unquote, but they put like leaves and and stuff in place so that it it can just The confusion of what we're seeing is good enough with his screams basically I love the shot of the other velociraptor just watching Yeah Nice and ominous So he's out Even when being careful you can still fail very true That's right, and he was very close. He got a shot off, but it missed so it was very close Um by the this says here what happens if tim is shocked and receives the injuries that are shown in the film Okay, now he's almost certainly dead because his heart apparently stopped We'll give grant the benefit of the doubt here and assume that he wouldn't give a small child Who you might already have broken ribs from the fall? He just sustained chest compressions unnecessarily Unfortunately people who need cpr generally don't just go back to normal in a few minutes cpr keeps you alive long enough to get Medical attention which in this case wasn't available in a reasonable time frame Also, it will it will be noted that if someone's heart isn't working Um, it's better that they get broken ribs than have their heart not work abc That's uh That's that's what it is with cpr All right, there was a real good risk that you can break someone's ribs doing it, but Yeah, I mean, but that heart is more important ribs can They'll they'll mend they'll grow back your if your heart stops stupid ribs get out of the way out of the way I think right when we're watching that you highlight like a grant comes across ellie and What he sees is she has a very dramatic delivery of run that she keeps like under breath so to speak almost Yeah, and then they collect up they hug and I think you were like Run Are we are we not running? Are we okay now? I guess I guess not maybe I guess that she's desperate especially if she knows what happened to moldoon, but uh You know, it's just funny. It's like Running to the safety of alan. It's like no, no, no not safe not safe Keep going keep alan's pretty great, but I don't know if he's like dinosaur resistant I'm so resistant. What does that look like? I don't know eventually the dinosaur will get you but you know, it'll yeah So someone's wondering dinosaur proof yet. Do you guys think it was deliberate that they had the lunch scene right after they saw the feeding scene for the velociraptor And then they're enjoying indulging in all the deserts here Like happily eating so to speak and then we see the velociraptors are here as well Like they're here. It's sort of in a way. It's like they're here for the same reason That you are there right now eating. This is the reflections I guess of because um They have it quite close together the ferocious nature of destroying that feeder And then it cuts to like the meal and the plate being placed for them at lunchtime And I was like, I wonder if that's on purpose as well that humans of Our desires and designs almost separate us from the animal kingdom Happily but that uh, that is still ultimately what we are They're doing the exact same thing as the velociraptors Maybe yeah, because um something I don't like is when they treat dinosaurs as good or evil in this franchise Like um, those are the good hero ones and those are the non hero ones and Gosh don, do I love it when that hero t-rex takes out the villain of the film? It's like what? What is it? What are you like like like yay? He did it good t-rex or something It's like no the animals. They're just They're doing what they're doing because they're hungry and they want to survive and they've been built that way Like I just I don't like going further than that. I think it's silly Yeah, um the the whole thing they tried to do with blue being trained and everything It's like that was shit because because blue was like Almost instantly reverted back to a ferocious wild animal and tried to kill it is like they no you can Is it is blue trained and friendly or not? Quick going back and forth. I hate blue. Like it's so annoying. Well Blue shit. Oh, so close to fucking dying Yeah, that one chick do like a blood transfusion for the dinosaur and like fuck off. Yeah One gunshot nearly killed it so fucking close. Dude, it's such a like how did we get here? Like what is this disaster? You know, it's crazy by the way. I'm looking at the timeline It's like all right this sequence with the velociraptors about to begin and it's like wait, we've only got like 15 10 minutes of movie left Film is real close to being to ending at this so dense They get so much shit done because if you were telling me how much time passes How much time passes in from those velociraptors to the credits? I'd be like 20 minutes 25 No Like no way less than that because again, you know the the t-rex We don't see him until over an hour in like just over an hour Oh, and I I guess I'll I'll address it because I just I don't know but apparently these accurately speaking are not velociraptors They are a different kind of raptor um Raptors, it's not utah raptors or utah raptors utah raptors. They are raptor. No, I know but oh these ones have feathers It means utah's predator. Uh, it's one word utah raptor. I thought so to clarify. They're not from the state of utah well Okay, well, I guess we'll have to we're left to speculate on that one then Oh, it looks like the it looks like the utah raptors. Oh the here. Let me get you a picture of the the the utah raptor Okay, he's uh, he's a cool one. He's one of the bird boys Look at him Well, yeah, maybe this is a hot take but when I see the illustrations of the of like raptors that look more like birds I prefer those to you could easily make these lads terrifying I don't think we there's no way. Yeah. Look at the look of the claws and the teeth and Yeah, I mean, especially if it like plumes up or something to make itself look bigger Like are we terrifying? I uh, I do really like the designs of all the dinosaurs in this film. I think they look cool I will say that I do have a preference personally for the more bird-like illustrations that I've seen of velociraptors Um, not because I'm a bird just because I think they look neat There is there is something about it's There's something about things being Almost I don't know. I don't know. I it's weird how I'm kind of thinking about how to phrase it when things don't look perfect Or look aesthetic in a way that makes them look better because it doesn't seem like you're trying To make them look a certain way like that's just it as it is It's like it's like some how some like russian rifles and stuff are really ugly sort of looking But that almost makes them appealing because they look like they're pure utility In defense of the well, I There's the film. Do we have a Did we have this sort of understanding of what they could look like when this film was made? I don't know Because I don't know if we I don't know that we do which I find interesting is that our perception of dinosaurs and what they look like Has just changed the more that we've learned about them. Yeah, I could be wrong But what I thought was when this film was made this was the presumed science the the uh That's what I'm saying. Yeah Well, I'm seeing some people say yes and some people say no. Oh feathers weren't discovered yet Uh, that's yeah, because I think that's what I've heard The imprints of like that on some of the fossils that they found there's just markings on the bones that have led them to conclude The whole feather aspect and then dude just I'm sure plenty of people here Watched the curse gizak video on what dinosaurs may have actually looked like is uh, super cool That's a real interesting one in terms of trying to get you to rethink um You know perceptions of what dinosaurs may have looked like Uh, and a few people are saying watch prehistoric planet, which yeah, I'll have to throw that on the list Dude Gary sent me a screenshot from that m power series where it has an image of Uh scarlet witch and it looks like scarlet witch from uh, Dr. Strange 2 specifically and the words around her are empowering heroes Uh, I I what what does the mcu or marvel studios as like a almost stated matter? Like the author of the work What is that? Do they think that she's a hero? I just want to know I don't know what's going on anymore Like she's insane. She's not even a a villain you could understand. She's just insane. No, she's incomprehensible as a villain um Man, yeah, I don't know. I don't know much else Let's see what it is I'm gonna see really it's gonna be just behind the scenes and then it's gonna say some cringe stuff like you know Women have always needed someone to look up to and finally they do you know stuff like that by the way It feel like it's worth talking about here ellie is like she's a very active character in this story Um, yeah, she gets involved like constantly. She's got a very clearly defined perspective and goals Um, I find it so fascinating when you go watch a lot of these movies from the 90s and the 80s It's like, I don't know man. Where are you? Have you guys seen movies like female characters who were active in stories? We're not invented in like 2060. All right. I feel like pandering I don't get it. It's not true. I guess people like fall for it. They insist on it and people just like go along with it Question. What are your what are your references like how much how much story have you consumed in your life? To where like you can't latch on to any You know if we the strong which again like the fact that that I don't even get that term You don't describe characters as strong male characters. They just are characters. I just find it so weird Just refer to them as characters Yeah, yeah, um Because I saw the trailer for it on open bar and one of the lines from that from one of the The women behind the production, I guess was um, we don't want to break glass ceilings here We want to destroy the wall and rebuild it What what is that thing up the ceiling literally they pull we pause and I was like, I have no fucking clue what she meets If you break the wall, I guess that breaks the ceiling that was the first thing I said he was like All ceiling comes down. So I don't know Which makes it easier to Break through it if it Why why would you ascend when you can bring us down? You broke it the glass. You just broke it other shit too. They didn't need to be broken What is the wall and if you're gonna rebuild it? Why are you breaking it? What do you mean like what does the wall represent? Yeah, like because is the wall like What is the wall the wall is like evil norms in filmmaking? I guess and they're rebuilding it Yes, but I mean you like that's your industry Whatever I'm sure they're changing it for the better You know captain marvel black widow and I'm sure the marvels are going to be brilliant as a Wonderful set of movies in the interview. Can you imagine if that film actually makes like less than an man? That will be so funny. I think it might I I would actually I would wager that it will make less So something that I wonder is I think one of the stated reasons for delaying that film was post-production pipeline I would Guess that one of the motivations as well is july has like mission impossible Uh mission impossible dead reckoning. It's got uh, it's got I don't know what the flash is going to look like in terms of making money, but that's in june Um, like that's that's a busy time for films And I mean guardians will have only come out a couple of months earlier I wonder if there's like a genuine concern that like the box office for that film would just be demolished by the films that surrounded by Um, and that was part of the motivation Tom cruiser's reputation right now is well I think uh, the sniper relevant part is following ant men releasing to no competition Uh, and not doing so well and then like the next hey cocaine That well cocaine bear was a week later. That's what I'm saying. It didn't release to any direct competition And then creed three as well coming in with a massive box office and apparently scream as well, right? Is had a big opening weekend. Yeah 24 million. I think I think that they are nervous right now at marvel Well, I saw I think I saw a tweak go viral about it I kind of I'm getting closer to say that a movie's back is something happening. What's going on? It's something happening where like films that at the very least are more original more driven by filmmakers Are starting to make a resurgence. That would be real nice to see because person boots is still making money A film still in theaters is still making money I think it's expected to cross 500 million now Because this has been an annoyingly long drought But I thought that we'd be getting it for longer where we get a couple of movies we like but mostly it's dominated still by superhero mcu stuff, but uh That seems all four sequels because the the idea alone that I know scream is a sequel It's like so we're still going we're not like out of the we're not into the the best times of cinema Just is this signs of things are changing is all I'm saying Screams like it is original. Oh, I mean that that film might suck. I don't know. Yeah. No, it's not a marvel movie Yes, um, and and that's kind of what we're gonna. It's nice to see other things rising up the leaderboards again for box office compared to And I think that's why there's a bit of attention, but the this year are This is an interesting year for disney. It's their hundredth. It's a centennial Yes centennial Um I I'm so curious to see what films end up in like in the top 10 because I get the impression a lot of them aren't going to be disney films Um, I get the impression that you'd have like the mario brothers movie might be real high up there That new fast furious movie Yeah, um Oh my god mission impossible took a while to get that one out I'm just curious. That's all what this year looks like for disney and how that manifests in terms of changes they make Because the changes on the production side of these marvel movies. I don't think we're going to see that manifest until like 2025 And I don't I don't think we're going to see it reflected in these new movies that are coming out this year and even some of them from next year I know who knows about the remakes We just have to see just hoping there's this sort of growing first in the audience for Like you see you see you see ant-man 17 and you see cocaine beer and you're like cocaine beer. Yeah, let's do it The very least it's Something I you know, it's kind of different Yeah, like how long can this last come on now? And I wouldn't be saying this by the way if they were really well written still if if everything in baseball We're on the level of like avengers. It's I don't I don't think I care that much I'd be like it doesn't surprise me. It's still at the top of box office if they're going to be written this well But now, you know But yeah, uh, I think it's fast-tracked the Dreaded fatigue everyone talks about I've seen people saying This is interesting right because everyone's calling out what will be the future And I've seen the take that like no, this is just another round of calling out fatigue where it's not even there Like all right The numbers yeah, this is unprecedented what's happening with ant-man potentially and the marvels everyone's wait bed It's not to see the movie guardians will be interesting. How old is guardians do? Because that one I don't think it'll tell us anything. Uh, how well that does it's it's guardians It's like almost people see it separate from the MCU in a way Well, and let's say it flops. I'd be like what the fuck that doesn't even make sense to me Like why would that floor? And then the big thing is what does it translate to when James Gunn is kind of like of all the marvel directors He's he's more known than a lot of the directors and he's going to DC Yeah, how much does guardians 3 being great feed into subsequent marvel films and tv shows really? Um, anyway Well, we got the velociraptor scene now Yes, and I love that uh, she's closed the door on it in that generator room And he's like so is only the two we got to deal with right and then she's like, well, yeah Unless they can figure out open doors Yeah, it's like uh about that That can't say but I love him breathing on the glass as well Yeah, we were talking about these sort of micro interactions with the real world And there are some things you may forget when you're working with an animatronic because you're like I've got it. This is the real thing done And then it's like if people on set are there and and in the work to be like Well, I mean if it breathed real hard and it was hot breath and it went onto the glass It would do this let's make it do this It's really cool Um, yeah, this looks so good. Look at that the eye and it looking around I love the it just looks so good and the the The lids close the narrowing lids. I know it Uh, it's so cool to watch the lips. Yeah, pull back a little bit. This is why by the way I refuse to like I find it interesting when it's fiction when it's nonsense like not Not nonsense, but not real. Um, meanwhile like I asked people get bored of dinosaurs. I just I'd love to see these fuckers. Are you kidding me? But then I feel bad because it'd be like, oh no, I watched Jurassic Park. I remember the message of that. Oh, dear I'll be having them in little boxes And then it's like you might remember Jurassic Park, but I have a question Do you remember Disney's 2000? Dinosaur, yeah, I saw it once and it's been too long. We don't remember it anymore I don't remember anything about it We had that shit on I don't know vhs dvd. Whatever it was now growing up. I saw that more than once I don't know if it's good or not. I don't know if it's good or not a bunch of a bunch of lemurs in it Well, you know what? That's good. Maybe Why is cracking lemurs in my dinosaur movie? Yeah, the We watched the raptors open up the door and they come And we switching between practical and cg quite a bit in this scene and uh You know, they were trying to make it seamless and I appreciate every last effort I think they did a great job. I love them. I think they're fantastic. I was so impressed I'm like the lighting on the cg as well. It's like wow, man and the details like a little, you know, uh, like What can you even say like I don't expect to ever see this ever again? I don't expect when we watch any movie again that I'll see this. It's like that's really sad Yeah, I'll just pass it to the CGI guys and the characters will suck and I'll be like when can I go home? Well, the thing is they'll pass it to the CGI guys. It's like so can we have four years like james cameron gave us? Oh, wait, you're serious It was like the in the scene that just showed a moment ago Like the two velociraptors standing in the doorway like those were CGI. Yeah, but like they look pretty darn good What it seems to me that they only ever use CGI when they have no option to do only can't show the body Yeah, because they have the feet. They have the heads. They have the little hands But we're gonna have to do a full body. Yeah Well rags you pointed out when we were watching it and I'm the exact same it's like burned into my memory the the feet going across the ground and the Click-clack the clock tapping on the yeah Because you we see them because The way it's directed and shot, right? You have the big table and a bunch of shit in the table Right, so you can't see through the table, but underneath it. You can see the feet and the claws From above you can see the head and then you can have the tail kind of wiggling around behind Yeah, so you don't have to see the body to have the scene completely and totally work You see all the really dangerous bits Um and that's like enough to totally sell you on it because moments ago you saw the CGI of the full body So your mind doesn't even think about oh, yeah, of course. There's a body like well, duh There's it's just the the tables in between us and the body And so it it's just it's the direction paired with the good animatronics paired with the the wise use of CGI Yeah, because there are some saw the CGI there of them and it's like what two seconds And here it's like what gonna be Four five seconds and then what we're already moving on And to have done it practically would have been a nightmare when they're like full body It would have looked if they're not that good You can do if you put a lot of work and effort into making heads claws Um, you know a tail you can do that but to make the whole thing walk around that's just the technology's just not You know quite you know, I would have been something else movement that you want. Um for the morning around Yeah, she goes to climb into like a Uh Or is it a just a shelf in or something like that But it reflects off the the thing is you're given all the information to know that she is not Where it looks like she is but you can forget that when you see it run into her Like uh, it's very much Described in the seed like you can see again and you know that she's not worthy She then looks like she is but it's enough to like I think a lot of you see her Yeah, the hole right there. Yeah But you see you're like, oh fuck is she is she fucked is she gonna be able to close it in time? You're like, well, she's fine because it can't actually get it by going that way. It's just it's cool Well, there's that element of like, oh you were fooled as an audience member Which you probably were is like, yeah, the the raptors aren't so dumb Are they because it fooled you too? They thought you just thought exactly what they did. How about that, huh? And then uh, yeah, like Give them a little credit He runs in to the freezer Immediately chased by the rafter and he grabs on to like I think a pole so he can swing himself To not like fling right into the freezer, but of course the raptor can't and it just slides right in because Yeah, with the power having gone off for so long things were melted in there So it's all slightly set up and pay off and there's a lot of those nice little moments in there There's no like big dramatic set up and pay off. It's just a lot of Small well, I mean setting up like, you know several minutes beforehand Character this plenty. I don't know if what would call this it's it's such a strange environment, right? Basically, he's got it locked in but he hasn't quite got it full And she knows that this is incredibly desperate There's your chance to be able to get the raptor stuck in it So she's fucking screaming her ass off as she runs to it and I've always found it a little bit funny like it is Like get this Yeah The super desperate and Ted's because this is your one shot You got to get it right and yeah, so that one's locked in but of course the third they thought they'd locked in another place is to break out Well, probably has actually I don't think they show that happening Yeah, you get the run it away. It's just like this shot of the last raptor stared at him. It's fucking great again. It's just uh They they spend the whole film building up the velociraptors and now we've got them, but they're fucking great And now you're running for your life from them in a kitchen Yeah, and then they go into the control room We've got to get that system to reboot And seriously running out of characters at this point And uh, oh this shot where he notices the door is locked pads back up and the velociraptors just stare at him And then they both look down at the handle. It's so cool I It's fucking terrifying. It's like wait a minute. This isn't supposed to be a thing It's it's it's scary to see a handle turn from the other side You know when you're not touching it like that's that's scary. That's a special one. It's just a fucking dinosaur on the inside Yeah, like there are dinosaurs chasing us and opening doors. What the fuck Is this place? It's just so ready to eat them. It's like you're making me work so hard to eat you I heard there was chilean seabass in there and you're not sharing I remember the chilean seabass So yeah, um, I guess the one thing you could say Because you did highlight the line rags that she's like, uh, if I basically if I go to get the gun I can't continue to hold the door But uh, I suppose she could have uh told timmy to grab it for him Um, so what she said before this was you can't hold it without me or like you need me to is like I got to hold this with you So I don't know if timmy would be strong enough which does kind of call into question No, no, no, he was able to I mean him to pick up the gun and give it to her Uh, Alan I guess yeah, I wonder if she's even thinking about that in the moment That is one thing I would allow for the panic of it all is the panic and the kids are over by the computer trying to It redo the thing. I guess they're working together and I'm just so focused on keeping this door shut Um that it doesn't even occur to me to ask timmy It's a it's it's a thing that's uh happened to me in video games sometimes where it'll be like an intense battle It's going back and forth back and forth and I'm like About to die do die and then it's like you had a full heal. It's like oh shit Yeah, it happens your character has like two abilities and if you just use them you would have been okay You're like, oh, yeah, that's right What but I was just so ingrained in the moment I wasn't even thinking about like using an ability or using an item And you can argue that ellie believes at that point that the two of them are trying to get the system rebooted Absolutely Which is quite funny visually by the way this insane like database is is Visualized almost like a cartoon motherboard or something Windows 96 what is it and then it windows 91 whatever I'm not sure Windows 98 We were talking about before it's like oh look at the 3d graphics here as you saw through your files This is fun Can you get me this file? Yeah, sure. Let me fly over here. It'll be three minutes But on my very old computer with these 3d renders in real time So it's a eunuch system. She knows this. She's like, I know this It's funny. I think rise you mentioned It's just like the way you show it with the mouse like you've never used a mouse before You've never used a mouse before or not. You're a fake gamer girl. You've been detected retail computers. All right. Look it was ellie It's just uh The way she's because yeah, there's just a way people hold but she's like uh using the thumb as a full control over It's so strange Um, but yeah, the door locks up. It's all good. We made it folks and then uh They call back and we have some fun lines about like You know, mr. Habba the phones are working. I think uh This is probably the most badass. He comes across as well. Alan Like the the blood on his face the gutted head is just like get the damn helicopters But uh, we hear a smash and I assume that is the Velociraptor they thought was neutralized or at least in the um the place with neomildo and the generator and so it's in And uh, and I they have this shot of the gun I meant to look at this again because I wasn't sure if they were trying to tell us He's out of shots or if it's jam or jam Um, I don't we hear like three or four And the way that it's on the ground looks like it's kind of deliberately that way um because Yeah, because there's a shell I mean, I it could be uh jammed that I just dropped it or he could be out But you wouldn't know that you were out so The way that it looks to me Is that it was like a failure to eject But if you just flip the gun over to the right that it sort of falls out and you don't know that you're out until you Um, I I don't know specifically what you know the spas 12 mechanism uses But you know, of course you you press the you know the the pull the trigger and there's a click and you don't get anything but Um, yeah the spent casings there very neatly all next to the gun But I don't know I guess for whatever reason the gun is either Not working or it's out of animation Assessment would be we saw three holes in the glass. There's two shells on the floor one stuck in the gun Seemingly so it didn't eject properly and he gave up on the gun when that happened Really the most relevant part of this scene is is is Hammond's face. Oh, it's Oh, yeah It's a shame that your video has now made that a meme to me. Oh, so it's past 12 cinematic It's both my reaction to fully Automatic and pump action Because not all the shells have enough create enough generate enough force to feed the next round in and semi automatic Because it was made for SWAT teams and police. So Um, if you make a shotgun for like police SWAT teams that sort of thing You want to have a shotgun that can do different loads, whether it's bean bags or A non-lethal things of that nature and they don't all necessarily generate the amount of energy required to cycle Back and forth. So if they're using less, you know powerful shells You want to have it in pump action so that you could manually make sure that it chambers another Shell there's a couple people saying it is about the fact that it's a sparse 12 Means it's more than likely a jam because that's something of a known thing with that. Is that True, what do you mean? The sparse 12 never jammed when I was playing model warfare 2. I'm very true. Yeah It shows what they know about guns, huh? I don't know. Um, it looks like uh, that looks like a kind of thing that was deliberately placed because the shotgun in the chamber You could tell that it's been It's either I can't see the end That's where they decided to put it so I don't know Also interesting because someone just chatted Chat about it. I think that's actually when they show everyone reacting to the blaster after coming I'm not sure if let me check again. I don't know if you can see ellie saying it But she says oh, it's gonna cut through the glass Yeah, you can't see her saying it. I think they would have thrown that in as adr to You know assuage anyone being like how's it getting through the glass? Like It or bashing its head or just yeah, it feels like an overcorrection. It's like don't worry. I can believe I could get through glass. I think yeah Yeah, absolutely. A person can get through glass See if only if only grant had the model 1889 akimbo, he would have been he would have been fine It's true. I can't believe that they put that I love that game, but like holy shit Look that you have shotguns as a secondary And one of your options for your secondary shotgun is a kimbo for the shotgun She has two shotguns instead of one. I mean this past 12 was in modern warfare 2 It was this past four was insanely good as well as a secondary very long range on it. Yeah I was almost and then black up. It's bad subtitling. She actually shouts It's coming through the glass which seems more reasonable. Yeah in terms of like less That comes across as less overcompensating more normal Uh in terms of making sure people understand how this is happening sort of thing and yeah, we get uh Hammond looks like he believes right now that his grandchildren might die Yeah, it's uh The most intense reaction you get out of him in the whole movie and it's very much appropriate Yep, it's not because his park is failing. It's not because the dinosaurs are loose It's because he thinks his kids are in danger The more the longer the film goes on the more localized his concerns become Yeah, it's great. Well Ellie talked to him about who we love is what matters now Mm-hmm Yeah, and then we get the velociraptor Searching for him and then it pokes up the thing and like I said, uh, start with animatronic with his head It's kicked and then when we see him again, he's full cg and uh, we were looking at it for a little bit when we watched this Because I was just so thoroughly impressed with it and it's it we came down to it. It's got to be the animation It's what uh makes this so believe me Animation is so important. It seems whenever I really notice CGI when it comes to like character, you know It's it's always seems to be Man, you you seem very light. You don't you don't seem very weighty. I don't feel like you have me I mean the dinosaur is way less to uh way less distracting than the stunt double I uh, I think uh the the kick uh that was mentioned rags did like it like, uh Sort of changes the balance of weight so it can get back up Like that helps as well. It just looks It's the movement It's the way it moves and it moves in a way where it's quick not too quick. You could tell it has a an amount of weight to it Um, yeah, it kicks the so it could kind of get back on its feet It's it's just it just looks so good for it's cg. It's a complete 100 totally cgi dinosaur In a 1993 movie and it really looks good and it's terrifying This is the um almost the opposite of what you get in in ant-man where you can tell when really looking into it how Detailed the graphics are right, which is something I guess you could be critical of but that's actually where I would bring in Like this is the most they can do they literally can't do more Some can you see how like parts of it have to stretch instead of what looks like it doesn't look quite like skin And instead looks like a an image stretching For Very specific parts of the body. This is what I mean. You have to go Manly oh, yeah, you got to look really closely. Yeah Meanwhile, the animations are so damn good That it it doesn't even come to mind and then you have ant-man, which will be like They'll have fucking top-notch resolution and high tech fidelity in every way shape and form But the animation is so bad. You'll never believe it The big problem with the the the cassey runnin is not like the fidelity of the suit. It's the animation It just looks goofy and it's something that's so clearly important for the fact that everyone sees it immediately laughs It's like oh, well, I think it's um the reason why video games often Seem as though they look better than they actually because you know like video games being rendered in real time on consumer grade hardware It's it's never gonna look as good as the best that you can do with visual effects at the time But yet people will often compare stuff like ant-man to like a playstation 3 game It's like well, why is that ps3 games like don't have as high quality textures They can't and it's well, you know, you play uncharted 3. It's like the animation is really good Like the animation does a lot of work for you Like if you you animate a character in a way that like seems convincing that can overcome like the your fidelity of it And yeah them cycling through the uh upper levels gets them being able to come down onto the fossil sort of Yeah, representations of these important dinosaurs at the main hole, which is just like, uh, what a great place for a set piece Literally hanging onto the fossils for safety Let me ask this Is it a problem with the movie that the velociraptor is able to get high enough to stick its head through the Panels in the ceiling, but it can't jump high enough to Crabber leg. Yeah, that doesn't I didn't even think of that. That doesn't really make much sense I don't think it has much of a consequence Maybe if you look around the room see if there is a potential for that that could be it Yeah, I don't know if it's it's if it's standing on anything taller or the room has a bunch of tables and stuff It could be on but But yeah, uh, I quite love this sequence for just the absolute chaos All these different pieces are all coming apart everyone's trying to hang on to each of them And then the strings are coming apart gradually as well with the velociraptors moving around One has jumped on and one's on the bottom, right? They're all just Just so much happening all at once. I think even the individual pieces are knocking the others Can't imagine in the for a velociraptor's brain how it's processing all this madness. It just wants to eat man It's like I'm hungry. This ambig is weird Or there's no meat on these big ones. I can All these little boys And yeah, uh, once they're all down you just get ellie like staring at the the silhouette of the velociraptor and it pokes his head up like Ah, there you are Oh fuck Yeah, and then the other one's in and so it's just game over basically because there's nowhere else to go But something to appreciate is that allen keeps himself in front of everybody He's a good lad I'll punch you in the face and then Right as the raft is about a pounce that a hero t-rex comes in and grabs the grabs the velociraptor Which is uh timing is perfection apparently like i've highlighted how lucky they are and um Nobody heard it. This is I was saying rags. I don't know why they did it that way I think it would have been perfect during the tense scene to have the building up Sound not even show him's gonna just have those sounds the doom Doom Yeah, the bones on the floor can rattle just very subtly and then maybe maybe they just sort of they turn their heads to Look at something off-screen And then as the raptor pounces, you know, it gets grabbed Like they are like the grant and crew are distracted by the t-rex walking in that they don't really look at the They they turn away from the velociraptor for a moment just to imply that they just noticed it showed up Well, and you could even do a different kind of shot where the two velociraptors are moving in Grant's looking at both of them And then we have the shot of him looking to the center almost and up And terrified them both the velociraptors turn and look because they haven't realized it either Or the velociraptors are maybe in front of them And then the t-rex comes from behind and they scurry away from the middle as the dinosaurs like start going after each other or something Yeah, something, you know, but yeah, it is kind of Um Strange how it just won this this by the way is the origin of hero t-rex I don't I don't particularly mind him attacking raptors. Uh, that's fine But he ends up killing the villain humans in like all the fucking films like lost world starts that up Yeah, it's because of this movie. I think that they did that the villain and uh, oh, I guess Yeah, t-rex killed the the indominus rex kind of um, so I was yeah lost world T-rex kills business man guy Yeah, um, I don't think they do it in Jurassic park three because the t-rex is killed by the spinosaurus to be like look Spinosaurus is scarier and it's like, okay. I remember fans were very upset by that by the way People like the t-rex Everybody likes t-rex, he's cool Well, it's just funny because I don't if you show us spinosaurus beating a t-rex unless I know different from like Biology or history or whatever as to which would win the fight. I don't have like a stake in t-rex to the point Or I don't want him to see see him lose to anyone, you know, he's just it's an animal it can be killed sure um But I remember people were very much upset to uh See the t-rex defeated by the spinosaurus, especially because I think the goal filmmaking wise was to be like see spinosaurus is scarier You should be more scared of him But I haven't seen that movie in so long like I don't even say more than that But yes, the t-rex is um summoned like iron man in Jurassic worlds to help Like an actual superhero type situation with it dealing with the endominus rex It's like the t-rex and the mosasaur is essentially team up to kill him, right? You could argue And then All in kingdom the t-rex eats the villain again. It's kind of like lost world And I don't know about dominion, but I assume the t-rex has hero moments in that as well I don't know. I just find it lame It was cool the first time, all right Well, so this is where I mean, I don't really see the problem That element isn't here with this the t-rex is just eating the velociraptors. Yeah, well, yeah It's a hero Just from a point of view that it helped you out But like it's not doing it because it wants to help well They need to get the fuck out because he will eat them next, you know what I mean? Like it's not it seems much more neutral in that regard um But yeah, they get out and he's like, uh, mr. Hammond have decided not to endorse your park No, I know but I wanted to mention the yeah, yeah, because we we did kind of talk about uh, the banner, right? Sorry, no, you're right. It is it is fantastic. Oh an honorable mention to the second raptor jumping onto the t-rex That's pretty chad. It's shame that Chad but I it yeah, there's a chad move, but I'm not certain how you thought this would end He's open for the best I suppose um, yeah, I uh I like that quote from alan because it's like we fucking finally did after all those efforts And he's just summarizing in a very carbon civil way. Yeah, no Um, but the the thing that I think almost makes it even better is the fact that he says Neither neither am I like I'm not endorsing it either. It's like hey We got there. We got his arc. You know what nah Yeah, this was uh, it was a mistake. This was an error And yeah, that's um, I think pretty much for the rest of the film. It's just they leave Yeah, that's those are the final words of the film. I think The rest of it is just reactions Uh, them getting on the helicopter and the way that each of them are sort of just you know looking as they're reflecting on their experience Yeah, as if it's almost like a recognition of once this guy Thinks it's a mistake. That's that's like there's not really anything else needs to be said like that's the end What's uh Hammond's hopes and dreams have all been shattered and he's had to realize a lot of realities He didn't want or need to be true for him, but it's uh, not work. Yeah, looking in there looking at the uh, the mosquito in there In the sap such a great shot So many we didn't even see what Hammond was looking at but he was just looking out I mean in the shot before that where he's uh on that landing pad But you know, he's just looking over at the island all of it. It's just That was a mess so much for that something we get ellie looking uh surprisingly chill almost happy and it's because she's seeing Alan with the two kids Remember she's she's made a couple comments about how she's hoping to have a kid and uh It's just a nice little completion of that arc as well Yep, I think you've got uh You've got Malcolm sitting off, uh to the side Malcolm who's not in the middle No, no, no, he's uh, he's quite quiet and uh melancholy as well The thing is he was just correct about everything so you can just sit back. You've done your work Someone in chat's pointing out that no one is celebrating. It's a somber moment when they escape They're not gonna be we did it. Woo-hoo. A lot of people died Um, and it feels like it's reflected. This was this was a bad day. It's just relief if anything It's over and not a word necessary and then yes, we got that shot there of the birds flying along Which uh Yeah, I mean another instance of something where it's like that's very deliberate. You can read into that what you want Just life being life, isn't it? Yeah, that's what all of this was Why it went all wrong I mean references to how dinosaurs are essentially became birds, you know That's yeah, you know, and they're out there, you know dinosaurs are still out there in in a way anyway Yeah, in a sense in a way. Oh and this last shot of the helicopter riding off into the sunset Good man Is the crazy how many like of the best films ever made steven spielberg has made Not nuts. He's behind quite a few. Uh, yeah Well, this is funny because um, we were hanging out a bit with gary as well when we were talking about this movie And it's it's like my pick for his movies is going to be saving pro ryan But it's Jurassic park is not far away. I fucking adore this film and it's funny because uh, gary was saying like, uh He was talking about close encounters of third kind how much he loves it And I was like, oh, is that your favorite and he was like, no, it's raiders. I was just like, oh, fuck. Yeah, of course He made raiders as well. Yeah as well he made um It's it's uh jaws It's uh last crusade Of course, that would be my favorite of those three is that's my favorite. Thank you Wait, would that be your favorite spielberg film? Hmm Maybe Maybe it's definitely not certain but definitely pencil it in minus saving private ryan Um chat. What are your favorite? That's a lot harder. What are your favorite spielberg movie? What are your that's that's a sentence. It's good enough. I'm tired Let me I'm curious what the what the winners are typically Yeah, I'm I'm actually I'm curious too because I could understand I could understand so many of his films being picks Jurassic park, I wouldn't be surprised to show a thing a few raiders and uh last crusade Jurassic park If you include television shows band of brothers as uh, that's a that's a choice for sure. Oh, yeah film with radius saving private raptor Staying some jaws temple of doom Not many ets No, um I understand that et done. It's been a while since i've watched et but the fact that it hasn't made that much of an impression on me I'd be curious to see it again to know I don't know anything about the film anymore. I've seen it like twice or even three times, but it's all gone says look look We have goonies Ready player one You're you're lying to me. You're memeing. I know it Get christus skull stop stop it ever it was genuine answers about it's me There are no There are no um a lot of the choices of the ones I because He did did he direct super eight? I thought that was jj abrams. I thought it was jb jj abrams as well Yeah, I think he produced it maybe um jj abrams was the director I'm doing a couple of different ones though. Someone said west side story, which was the recent one munich Um, he did lincoln, right? I need to see that. I think so. Yeah Vampire slayer Yes, the vampire slayer. No, no, I think they came out around about the same time though actually um Some people are asking about the post credit scene. Yeah, you do go back to the freezer and the velociraptor is trapped in this Says i'll get you allen grant I'll get you and then it says velociraptor will return. Yes Well, you have it's it's a post credit scene where you have nick fury opening up the freezer And telling the raptor that he's assembling a team of uh You're part of a bigger universe. He hasn't got his arm And the velociraptor says Yeah, which we can only assume means yes, of course. I don't see how Yes, anyone wants to get into the mcu. You know, you'll get your own movie. Maybe in a tv show Paychecks, man There's one of the best films of all time. It really is Uh I'm happy to call it a masterpiece though. It implies this is spielbig's masterpiece as though it wouldn't be any others And it's like no, yes, few he's got a few he's got a few um And yeah, the hopefully we've made clear over these hours Why we believe this script wise is It is punchy as fuck. It is uh very efficient Very clear cut characters that all behave within their uh limits and values A plot line that as much as it has a couple of stretches It really relies on them to generate what it believes to be obviously a really potent story Like uh the exchange rate, I would say for flaws to the power of this script is a very very good one compared to Something like a modern mcu film where it's just nothing but contrivances for payoffs that you're confused about Like like think of modoc as a payoff. You're like, what was that? Yeah, and and of course bearing in mind that this is a this has got a lot of variables You know, it's a science fiction story Like it's got a lot of variables that need to be juggled. Um, and it does so very effectively And we have a bunch of very well-defined characters All representing different perspectives on a core theme that's very interesting And it's just a really entertaining and engaging story as well. It's a fun movie That's what I mean, uh, I think as a kid I would have been able to talk forever about how cool it is that these dinosaurs were like You know trapped animals and then they through accident get released and They get to take control of the island almost and like how much uh, you know Be careful next time like a like a more straightforward and simplistic view But the older I get the more I end up talking extensively about All of thematic through lies like what does this say about technology and how we Understand and control it as it develops and of course, what does it mean overall to say man versus nature? What are those categories and where do they lead and How careful should we be? We often consider ourselves in a prime position to control and manipulate nature But there's always so many drawbacks and I love media that explores it. It's really fun To draw the line so to speak um Yeah, and and dinosaurs are fucking cool Yep There's I don't know this has been the goat dinosaur movie forever and I think it still is right Nothing's going to probably well stand that way forever I can't see anything beating it like people told me about that movie 65 with dinosaurs in it, but like it ain't gonna be able to compare is it Probably not who's directing it I have no idea it is uh Scott Beck and brian woods well the rotten tomatoes is um 36 from critics 66 from audiences They uh write the screenplay for a quiet place Oh Oh After a catastrophic crash on an unknown planet pilot mills quickly discovers he's actually stranded on earth 65 billions these years ago Now with only one chance at rescue mills and the only other survivor koa Must test make their way across an unknown terrain riddled with dangerous prehistoric creatures in an epic fight to survive It's an hour and 33 minutes by uh, it's produced by sam reimey. I hope it's good I hope it's good, but I don't know. I mean Yeah, um, I don't know I was almost going to say this just not much in the dinosaur genre Uh, if one was to count it, of course, they'd probably be able to make a big list But I guess I mean in ratio to just everything that gets made you don't often hear but a movie that's got dinosaurs in it It's always Jurassic as a you know franchise Not as interesting to uh, see how uh, it's translated to video games and other media as well because that's a good amount of Jurassic park games yeah And uh, I I very much enjoyed the Jurassic world evolution game Even though that is a lesser version of games that have come before a lot of the park management games that have come out over the years What about that movie 10 000 bc? Did that have dinosaurs or was this like later? Was this like a ice age sort of thing? 10 000 there were no dinosaurs in 10 000 bc Re-separate I know yeah, I can realize really well. I was actually gonna say real life. I meant the movie to be fair The movie might have had it isn't it who who made the 10 000 bc that was Roland emmerich I could believe he put dinosaurs in there if you want it Yeah Oh, let me check the let me check the rotten tomatoes of it. Oh my goodness 9 percent from critics 37 percent from audiences Apparently rags a big crab I'd say so a giant enemy crab. Yeah, let me just have oh my god. Are we gonna wheel out that ancient That ancient meme Um really good movie Yes, um 10 000 bc Sure. No No Thanks, everyone. Please don't make any more stop it We're coming into the e-fap on 10 000 bc by Roland emmerich King Kong movie get your long kong on Maybe one day. Well, I was gonna say uh, hopefully This format has some level of interest slash approval. Maybe we'll try and do this every once in a while for different Delving into older movies. Yeah, and not just good movies, but the greats I think we'll try and save it for maybe gonna be nice because we do a lot of shitting on a lot of bad stuff So maybe be nice to go for like some of the best the best When it's nice this uh, yeah, this this week was a bit of a Lull right no major new releases that were super Interesting looking that's like, so we've gone back and watching an old great movie, you know We have uh played with the idea of the Jurassic per arc So to speak and so a lot of people I think when this stream booted up We're like, oh my god, we're beginning the arc and it's like actually there's no plans to do All of them now following we've got other stuff No, the idea was uh Jurassic Park specifically But that doesn't mean that you won't get coverage of the rest in future in some format of some kind I'm I'm invested in the idea that we do eventually check out Dominion. Um Apparently that's a good old clown movie. So I'm sure it'll be fun Okay Fingers crossed no promises, but uh, you know, I I am interested in perhaps one day. Who knows doing Maybe a video on on one of the or maybe something to do with this. It's such a fascinating franchise Um, yes, it is We talked about it Well, like seven hours ago, whatever but uh the the dramatic missing of everything that was said in this film Uh and how it's it's foreshadowed its own future in so many ways Well, it's a future of the film industry Mm-hmm They ain't making them like they used to we've talked to this many times But when I was younger and I was seeing shit tons of movies like this I was just like good god imagine how good movies are gonna be With the future someone wrong. Yeah, something went wrong And um, hey like uh Spielberg recently put out the fableman's right. Has anyone got any word on whether or not that's good I've never even heard of it That's a that's a problem for it. It's uh, I think suffered at the box office And uh, yeah, no, it's it's something of a concern that you can't be successful as a movie that's not of a franchise or um, a superhero at this point, but uh You know fableman's doesn't sound like something that people are going to be super engaged with anyway necessarily like in a super mainstream But I don't know if it's any good Fableman's is mad Is a giant crayfish in it Like oh, I don't know if that's 92 from critics 83 from audiences. So Yeah, looks like it's well liked. I've just never heard of it Well with that I suppose that is the uh, we've reached the end of the stream this uh, this coverage We will definitely do the super chats in a catch-up. I'm gonna I was actually gonna do them today But not if we would reach seven hours Before reaching the the conclusion of this portion. So Um, they're still getting released. It's it's awkward to Figure out where I'm putting them when we've got the two efab tv episodes coming outside by side And the funny thing of course is by the time the last of us ends which last episode we're watching tomorrow Tomorrow, yeah It'll be replaced in two days by the release of the first episode of garth of knights So yeah, uh, uh, they shall be gotten to and I've I've noted, um, something annoying that youtube does and uh, I didn't realize it until recently they get rid of the um, the messages sent in with uh, Remembership or membership in general you can't find them when you go into your supers It's really fucking dumb if they offer you the chance to send a message through that and then you can't retrieve it If it's gone and so what'll happen? It's gonna be a bit of a change Um, so yeah, uh, uh, they shall be gotten to and I've I've noted um, something annoying that youtube does and uh, You can't do that and then you can't retrieve it if it's gone and so what I'll have to do When we're doing the catch-up is boot up this episode And look through the literal live chat as it comes through to collect the uh, the messages Not something I prefer to have to do, but it's not like it's given me much of a choice I don't know why But youtube, uh, hasn't fixed that Uh, maybe there's another format in which you can read them. I will go have a look but that seems incredibly fucking stupid Um, it was really difficult to collect the messages at that point, but I will find a way like I said um So yeah, that's uh, is there anything you guys wanted to say before we head out? hmm I was very it was really good to watch this again. It gives you a lot of appreciation For movies that you know, like, you know, some movies are good And then you watch them again and then you just get this like oh Of course not it really is good for all of these reasons And it was really nice to see that it wasn't just an enjoyable thing to watch But it's now something that's a lot more fresh in my memory full of things to reference and It's just like the go-to example of how do you blend cgi and practical stuff together It's I mean it's up there with lord of the rings as to how you do that well Oh, yeah, I'd happily consider alongside that t2 is another one of them It's like these films to come from a magical land that doesn't exist anymore A magical land where people gave a shit Hmm you could have chosen a better time to say that rags with the guy on the toilet Well, he didn't give a shit He was there to hide not to poo I'm very glad to rewatched it. It was uh, yeah, I love this movie Thumbs up go watch Jurassic Park Yeah Don't watch the rest You're right. No, you really don't need to be doing that and Yeah, so, uh, thank you, of course to Robert Meyer Burnett for joining us for um, bass chunk of the stream Um, you may see him on like I said open bar and real bbc I don't know if he's been on real bbc before but Um, he's he's he's around on the inside if you want to find out his stuff the channel link is in the description And he's um, he's been on a couple of open bars at least um always nice to have new blood and uh Yeah, appreciate his time and Appreciate all of you guys hanging out with us. Thanks for the comments the back and forth the insight and for the kind donations But for now, we shall say good night and goodbye Little pip. Why boy boy? Bye everybody