 Another one, the topic theme, sex and money, who else to demystify this for us other than the Canon blog, Internet entrepreneur and cyber-activist Robert Eli himself is in studio with us. But before you talk to him or see him, VDJ Khalifa, Mambo VB, I see you took us back. Are you trying to make our guest comfortable? Yeah. All right. Okay. So thank you very much, VDJ Khalifa. Mr. Robert Eli. Yes. It's a pleasure to meet you. I'm a big fan. Thank you. The camera is number four. The drill is always introduce yourself if you missed anything in the intro. I think you've finished the introduction. Yes. Yes. All right. So Karibusana. There's so many things people have said about you and around you. Yes. But I want to hear it straight from the Aussie's mouth. Okay. So maybe we can start with your educational background. I'm trained in computer science. Computer science? Yes. I'm trained in forensic. So I think that's the basic of it. But I've always been a techie. You've always been a techie. IT has always been my background. All right. So media. How did media come in? No, just being a loudmouth. Just being a loudmouth. You've always been a loudmouth. Yes. Just being a loudmouth. I'm being pushed to the media by force. It's not my liking. Oh, it's not your liking. Yes. So I'm guessing you were a smart person in high school. High school and primary school was easy for you. Yes. It was not so hard. It was not so hard. It was being rebellious, listening to a lot of hip-hop. Listening to a lot of hip-hop. So that's something that you can relate to. All right. So while growing up, did you feel like people didn't understand you? Always. When you're rebellious, you feel like everybody doesn't understand you. So it's not unique to the current generation. And I think it happened to our time a lot. Because when hip-hop was coming up and we were using hip-hop to show our rebellious side, and people didn't understand hip-hop. You remember even Bill Clinton once declared hip-hop a menace to society when he was president. And hip-hop was, you know, hip-hop, drugs, gang culture in the U.S. and so on. I think that's soft side of the American culture. But this was their reality, right? Yes. This was their reality. Relating to that hip-hop, that is their reality. The black Negroes in America. Yes. How did hip-hop relate to you as the youth in Kenya back then? Being black there in the U.S. and also being Negro, being black and in the U.S., facing almost the same challenges our youth in Kenya is facing. Though Kenya might be today from a very extreme background. But you know, they feel oppressed. Not recognized or oppressed. You know, not the opportunities are there, but they're not being treated fairly. So I think the Kenyan youth also feel, even now the Kenyan youth still feel that, you know, the leadership is not recognized. That's why they relate to that kind of music. And so the music was a platform for them to rebel against the leadership and the society. So, you know, we rebel against the father. You start from the fathers, the mothers, the parents, you know, to the leaders. The ideas they try to bring to the U.S. Yes, yes. You remember, we had the Kuflani Maumau, Olamashaka. Yes. Only one idea. If you never knew Robert Eliza, a fan of hip-hop music, you know it now. Who is a hip-hop artist that you can listen to right now, of the new generation? Of the new generation, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe Drake, maybe... J. Cole? J. Cole. Not so much. But you know, I think now also trying to understand the kind of challenges we are facing now as a society. You remember now, just yesterday, the women were protesting against the killing of women. But you know, there's also far much killing of men, which nobody recognizes. If you walk outside this studio, most of the people you find idle, 99% of them are men. And you know, some of them, most of them walk at night. They are killed. They are killed. You know, they are killed by police. By police, by tags, you know, by just, you know, found killed and dumped. Nobody treats the killing of a man as urgently as they treat the killing of women. So we should fix the society in general. Yes, we should fix the society. I think we should fix... And when you call it femicide, you kind of leave the boy child out of the war. Out of the war. So the boy child feels that it's me against them. Yes. Which it shouldn't be. You know, you're not winning the war. So it shouldn't be... Let's stop killing everybody. Let's stop killing everybody. Let's not just fight the killing of women or the killing of men. So that the men should protect the women. Yes. That is how the traditional African society was set up. The men took care of the women. Yes, yes. And it's sad that they're moving away from that. Yeah. Very sad. Moving certainly, training in computer science. Yes. Then the internet happened. Yeah, the internet happened. Let's say to you guys. We started, we started, we started with the... You know, the internet happened. We started from the groups, the young groups, you know. We started from the forums, the list. The chat rooms. The Maschada chat rooms. The list serves, you know, the Kenya forums and so on. Then Google groups happened. Which was more... Which was like, yeah, all groups, but better. In handling. Yes, it was an improvement. Then the web, what they called the Web 2.0 came. You know, now the interactive web. Because, you know, the previous web was one-sided. You know, you... Even if you published a website, you didn't have to make it interactive. So the Web 2.0 happened and now it has to be interactive. Now even social media came in, you know, the Facebook and the Yahoo... And the Twitter and the Google chat rooms and so on. So I think it happened and it changed the game completely. Now it removed, it democratized the media. It removed the power from the traditional media. From the big media houses. The big media houses. The mainstream media to now to the common man. Now the most powerful man is not a blogger, not a journalist, but is a person carrying a smartphone. Yes. Can you document something? Yes. Share it with 6 billion people. Somewhere where a journalist was not present, a blogger was not present, somebody just recognized that this thing is uniquely happening. It takes a shot. It needs to be seen. Yes. And we have seen revolutions happen. Yes, yes, yes. We have seen revolutions happening, you know, started by, you know, the Arab Spring and others. Where you see people start from the grassroots and, you know, they document their struggles and it comes and the mainstream media picks up and it blows over the world. I think that's the beauty of the social media. That is the beauty of social media. All right. The revolution in this information age is happening so fast. Yes. It's faster than the previous revolutions. The other ones took a longer time. Now things are happening so fast. Before you know it, we have the virtual reality. Before you know it, we have the AI. Yes. Are you scared? I'm never scared of technology. Because, you know, what's happening with technologies, technology always will frog, you know, our own thought process and understanding of it. You know, nobody understood social media for what it is. We didn't understand that it could have influenced elections. You know, influence of people. Exactly. You know, to decide even sometimes to force people to elect the wrong person. All right. Subconsciously. Subconsciously. Subconsciously. Yes. You know, we have a community in this country which the government is really trying to fight. We are being forced to register with the Department of Defense like the Army and the Navy, the DOD. It's not a military thing. Why should we register civilian thing with the military establishment in this country? So people are scared of things they don't know. Yes. You remember President Moy. He refused to allow people to have fax machines because they believe that fax machines will come. People can use it to overthrow him. You know, you used to have to go through fax machines to be vetted to own a fax machine. All right. Now they are obsolete. This goes back as Africa. Yes, they are obsolete. You remember, I worked in Congo. And my Buddha says, he didn't believe in building roads. He believed that if you build roads, people will drive on them. So you find airstrips everywhere, but there are no roads. Wow. Because he believed that people will drive on the roads and overthrow him. But remember, people work for Muvira. 1200 kilometers away and overthrow him in Kinshasa. So we should... Change the inevitable. No, we should impress technology, understand it, mold it to what can better our society. If you are scared of technology, technology will run over you. There's nothing you can do with the law. And remember what happened with Netflix because you didn't understand it. Yes, yes. And a lot of things have happened. Another thing I've always wanted to ask somebody like you who uses Twitter's platform, do you think the people who designed Twitter expected it to be used in the ways it's being used right now? I don't think everybody understood it. You remember one of the famous quotes, I think it's from Bill Gates, he said that nobody would need so many bytes to hold his data. And now people are terabytes. People are pentabytes. People are going crazy over bytes. People who designed technology would never understand it. Remember that even the person who designed the AK47 said that he really regrets that people can use it to kill. He designed it for something else. Yes, he designed it for something else. So the user always has the cause to play in what? So this is where the regulatory part comes, the government, the society. Because not only the government can do the regulation, the society. Because the government can try to do the regulation depending on the liking of the person in power. But the society wants something else. Like the fax machine then. Like the telephone then. You want the telephone but Mui says no, but people would want to use the phone for their own other means. So I think it's a society to decide what is good. Like now the society is deciding what can we use Facebook for. Should we allow it to be used? You remember the conversations we had I think two, three days ago about the Nancy philosophy video. Which was fake. And it was going viral in the US forums. And people were asking why is Facebook allowing this? But there's no law which was disallowing that thing from being shared. Yes, and there's only so much Zookabah. Yes, so it's the society to decide can you vote on this? Do you want it to be on the platforms? That's why we have referendums. Even on Facebook and on YouTube and Twitter we have the likes and dislikes. We have the upvote and the downvote. So people are subject to their own program. The society will decide and most of the time like the internet, no law. I think there's no law which can fit. You remember when the EU enacted this privacy bill the GDPR bill. But it is not applicable in sub societies. So you know you can apply the EU law in the EU areas but not in Africa not in the US. So laws are designed to fit the society to itself? Yes, the society needs to decide on what's good for it. Wonderful. As a blogger there are stories that go around. For example in the music business if I'm about to drop something big like an album. I'll get my blogger there. I'll get a mainstream media person there. I'll get my social media person. I'll get my team. The people are going to make sure my stuff is fed to the people. People claim that the same happens in politics. Elections is like an album. So they're going to get the mainstream media guys that they trust to push their gender. They're going to get the print media guys to push their gender. They're bloggers as well. So do you think Kenyan bloggers are participating in this system that we are trying to find first? I think Kenyan bloggers are participating more than anybody else. I think even more than the mainstream media because you remember this is the first government that had a state house blogger. And he changed things. Denis Itumbi was the secretary in the ministry of information at high-to-state house. But you remember because of his work in the run-up to the elections and the re-election of the president, the deputy president. So I think the Kenyan bloggers are really changing the world. And even the last election most of the people were at risk for the bloggers, especially those based at the counties. Because the contest for elective post became so bad that some of the bloggers were being killed, some of them were being kidnapped and tortured and so on and so forth. So I think even today we are in Nyeri also we are supposed to be barring a blogger there. And these things happen, you know. So the bloggers are at the center of something. Yes and they're influencing the influencing conversations, influencing what the brands, what the people want to buy, what the people should listen to. So we agree they have so much power. It's how they use it. It depends on how they use it. Wonderful. We have a video here. I'd like our viewers to watch this video. We are going to throw it back even though it's not Thursday. So let's see the video. Welcome back. Welcome back. All right. We're going to start with the ladies who are doing really well. Come on over here soon. The limit of 60 seconds. But if you do this 20 inch color television set could soon be providing all your evening entertainment. Watching the channel of your choice in the confines of your home could soon be providing all your evening entertainment. Watching the channel of your choice in the confines of your home could soon be a reality. All this yours. If you can prove that you are the smarter one now. I'm going to ask you questions starting now. Who was recently crowned Miss Kenya? Pass. Which is the largest coalition of churches in Kenya? NCCK. Which is the official language of Djibouti? Ethiopian. Which tree branch symbolizes peace? Fun. Which was the highest office served by Joseph Murumbi? Vice president. Which Korean city hosted the 24th Olympic Games? Seoul. Which country? Bonagodana. Which people had Zeus as their chief god? Pass. Which station owns a Shoro FM? KBC. Who is a UN director for Habitat? Pass. Who is behind the theory of survival for the fittest? Charles Darwin. Which building houses the ministry of health headquarters? Afia House. Afia House. You all said that you are going to walk away with something very well, but you have topped it. You win yourself an Ariston gas cooker. Throw away that jico and come on over here. Is this it? This has got to be it. This has got to be it. How do you feel? I love it. You love it? You'll be loving it even more when you get to make those tasty dishes. Who are you going to invite for your very first meal? All my friends in college. All your friends in college. And they're saying to you, he's got it going on, haven't you? Yes. Now you look at them over there. That's the camera. And say to them, I've really got it going on. I really got it going on. This is a good place. Now you know. If you second guest is IQ or is what this? Now you know. So we are Robert Elias studio blogger and an internet entrepreneur. So you won a gas cooker. Yes. All right. Ariston. Then Ariston was the thing. What's the thing? Ariston gas cooker. I don't know if they still exist. I think they still do. But the brand is not as popular. We have the LG's and the Vone. Things have happened. Yeah, things have happened. All right. Where did you take the yogurt? I took it to my sister's place. Have you ever fixed any meal on this guy? Yes. You did fix something. I did fix. All right. It was very interesting to have it. All right. So was this a breakthrough for you? Yeah, 2001. People and everybody was asking me, you know, it was short. It was because I think they shoot many in a day. Then they used to shoot at the Hilton. They shoot many. Then they shot. Yes, throughout the month. So what happened is that after this, I went to Sharks for Christmas. Then we didn't have TV in Sharks. So people just use and there were no phones. So I didn't even have a mobile phone. So after that, you know, when I came back to Nairobi, I was like, oh, it's him. It's him. He was recognizing you on the street. All right. I like this. I like this. I like this. In fact, I think I really still remember the crew then. The crew that shot this. Yeah. Then David Batia, Joanne Chirchir. I think I still... Charlene Samat was the floor manager. I think she's at K24 or something, I think. Do you have a photographic memory or something? No, no, no. How do you know all this? You know, you just remember the people who gave you the opportunity. Because before the show, we used to go for a meeting, like a boardroom meeting and say, OK, this is what will happen. You guys will come for the show. You need to dress this way. And you are not allowed to dress like now we dress. They're checked because I think the camera then were not so good with different colors. So they were not so stable and different colors on the same person. You needed to have a plain shirt or something like that. So we were briefed on what to wear and what not to wear to make the work easier and how to carry on. And you have reached the opportunity so much. In fact, I need to meet Regina Ray. Regina, if you're watching, Robert Eli wants to throw it back like it's there. Yes, yes. Anyway, our topic of conversation today is fame. Because after fame comes the money, then sex surrounds all this. Is this something you've experienced in your so-called career? I don't know if I've experienced that because I was brought in a very strict family. It was not so Christian. It was Christian, but my father was not so prayerful guy. Though every time we challenged him to go to the church, he would unleash the Bible and say that he has known Christianity longer than us. So I think sex fame go together and the money, they go together in most of the instances because also you cannot have human being without sex. And so the things go together and people need money to survive. You are not living, it's a currency of transactions in this area. It's the most important thing sometimes too. All right. So money is a currency of transactions. Sex has also been transformed to some form of currency of transactions. All right. As a person in this field, politicians are the biggest celebrities in Kenya. Yes. It's a sad story. People think Kenyans. Yes. Because you know the animals, they have a lot of loose cash. They have a lot of loose cash to go around. Yes, yes. And we live in a hand-out kind of society. Yes, yes, yes. All right. One would expect sportsmen and musicians and artists to be famous, but in Kenya it's different. So in this field, I don't want you to mention things, but have you got people sending you sex scandals from politicians? No, you have to be a blogger in Kenya. Those are the things you have to get. Anyway, I think being a blogger, especially when you cover a wide variety of topics, I used to be only a tech blogger before you started talking about everything else. Before the news headlines started pissing you off. Yes, yes. You know what you say, you speak about this and you are a tech blogger and the people who are in the entertainment send you their stories. So I think you get all those things. You get the sex scandals from not only politicians but also celebs, everybody else. How do you go through these things before you can at least publish or share the stories? I think most of the time we don't even share because there are times we used to share and we found out that relationship is very complicated if you don't understand it because sometimes there were times even when we partnered when we were starting these forums and Google groups and mailing lists type then you find that most of the women who abuse, all these bosses in abusive relationships used to contact us. So we partnered with the Koval Coalition of Violence Against Women to be taking the cases there. To be taking the cases there rather than just show them to the world. Yes, but most of the time after the cases had been resolved they were put in safe houses, they were given counseling and so on. Then they were returned to their families for father counseling and they became a couple again. Then the problem started there, that you know, so you become the problem. So the problem comes back to you because you didn't understand the issue. That is what makes it complex. Yes, it's very complex. So if you're not a professional psychologist or a counselor or psychiatrist, sex cases are very, very complicated. Yes, it's very complicated. You don't even get ourselves into them so much. Alright, there's this notion as well that once you start getting some fame and some clout, DMs, Zinaja, Kuja, what's your image? You know the thing is that people take me online to be very abrasive, aggressive guy, so there's a lot of nonsense, you know, just dismiss. Alright. Yes, so DMs and Zinaja are clean, but you know, it's people with problems. Alright, absolutely. You receive a lot, but most of them is people with problems. Alright, so if you want groupies... Blogging is not for you. No, no, no. If you want groupies, blogging is not for you. But you know, when you're a sex symbol, I think if you're in the entertainment industry and you know, you carry out yourself like, you know, good to opposite sex. Like God's gift to you. Yes, yes, yes. You know, then you have to get all those in your DMs, you know, something like the bloggers or the socialites, then you know. That is about to happen. Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Robert. I understand. We are going to take a break and then we'll be back with the game. Okay. Alright, so yes, we have had, Robert, like please tell them how they can find you on social media. Robert, I lie everywhere. Robert, I lie. The good thing is that mine is secured when I... Alright, you're secured. Yes, yes. So even if they Google Robert, I lie, they'll find you. They'll find you. I think everybody else should secure their ass. Alright. Yeah, you know, for your kids and your kids' social media handles. Already. Yes, yes. The future is safe. Yes, yes, because you know, they might need it and somebody else might take it. And you know, it's now an asset. Some people declare it even an asset in your books over count. Their handle. Yes, because it brings you more money than even employment can. Your handle can make you more money. More money than employment can. Some people, you see, they treat every treat, 50,000 Kenyan shillings, 100,000 Kenyan shillings. So it depends on how you... Okay, listen. If you have a job in Kenya or this and that, secure your handle. Your handle can make you money. Yes. And it depends on what you do with it. Walter Robert Eli himself, a renowned blogger and internet entrepreneur. We'll be back with some more of Social Friday. Don't go nowhere. Don't type that down. Why 254? Imagine. Particularly for the man who doesn't know how to stop the music. So since you don't know how to stop the music, from Ni Gani, he weekend it. I don't know how to stop the music. But I don't know how to stop the music. I don't know how to stop the music. I don't know how to stop the music. If you go to Kereguya and town, you should go to Java, then Kesho to go to the Primeval Bamburi. Yeah, Bamburi. Alright. Kesho, Primeval Bamburi. Yes, Kesho. You can go to Nisya, or... Flight. Or flight. We land. In the next life, I want to be a DJ. Robert, how many DJs do you have? Scandolo, Kibao. Yeah. I used to love music. I almost became a DJ. Four in a row. I became a DJ. Scandolo, Kibao. Because that was our topic of conversation yesterday. But this is a social break now. And the social break, we are going to engage you in a game. Yeah, so from my analysis, Robert, I figured you somehow have a photographic memory. So we are going to play Who's Smarter Now or Lover Again. Oh! Is you ready? Okay, okay. Be sure to find him as Robert Eli on every social media. And I'll be regenerating for today. My name is Mary. So let's take it. The second largest continent in the world. I think it's... What? Asia. Asia. Let's see. Africa. Why? Which is the first? Asia. The first is Asia. Asia has to do the BS. I will see. First is Africa. Let's go. The chairman of AU. Jin Ping left. So who do you have now? The Zuma left. I know it, but I don't know the name now. You don't know the name now. But Zuma was the previous one. The wife to Zuma. Yes. The wife to Zuma. The previous. The previous one. Okay. Let's see the answer. Egyptian president Fatah LCC. The chairman of the AU. African Union. Not the secretary general. You know I'm thinking of the secretary general. Or there's the secretary general and the chairman. Let's move on to the next. The largest religion in Africa is... Really? I think it's Christianity. It might even be Islam. All right. Let's see the answer. Islam. Islam. Why? Wow. I've been to school in Africa. We have the northern Africa. Yes. And then we have samples of Muslim religion. Yeah. Like countries like Tanzania is almost 50-50. Nigeria. Nigeria is very big. Senegal. All right. Hey. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. What is the name of the bluebird from Twitter? Twitter bird. That's the answer. Which is that? You know if it's blue? How do you call it? Allure. No. It's almost a song. All right. Or sing. All right. The answer, please. Larry the bird. Larry. Larry is a... All right. Larry is a bird. All right. Let's move on to the next. How many calories do you think you can burn by clicking a mouse button 10 million times? Wow. What? 1,000? 1,000? Let's try 1,000. 10 million times. Why is the answer, please? 1. That's a waste. Thank you. What is the next question? The longest river in the world. The Nile? The Nile? Or the Mississippi? The Nile or the Mississippi? I think it's the Mississippi. The answer, please. The Nile. Yes, we got that one. What is the next question for VDJ Khalifa? The nation. I wish we had one for VDJ Khalifa. We are favorite DJs. We are favorite DJs. Thank you very much for playing with us. Robert, thank you very much for coming. And thank you very much for what you're doing for the community. And I hope you're mentoring some bloggers as well. Yes, yes. We have to mentor them. That is in the process? Yes. All right. We talk a lot to the bloggers. Wherever we travel. And also there are others. I have them in my office. Some you have in your office? Yes, yes. We mentor them. The office, you know, it's called Chinyamaji. Office, let's say, go to Chinyamaji. Exactly. But at least we mentor some. We interact because we don't want to leave it to us. You are growing older, you are having... There are things you can't do. Yeah, and things are changing. Which you could risk when you are in your 20s. When you are single and you are not a parent, there are things you can change. And also there are things you can do now. You can support them. You know, you can mentor them. You can tell them the wrongs and the good and the bad side of blogging and how to protect themselves. So mentorship is very important. Very important. One last thing I'd like you to share with the viewers. People always have questions to ask the government. People have a lot of questions. Recently so many people are asking me about this registration process. People are asking me about so many things. And they don't know how to air their questions. They don't know how to get them out there. What is the process? Use your social media. Use your social media. Just be loud. Be loud. Shout. Shout. You used to shout until they noticed us. Alright. I think if you don't shout, if you rely on robotics, sometimes you grow old, you die today. So the power is in oil. If you have a question, ask. And this is the challenge I'm always giving to not only bloggers and people who want to speak out. Also people looking for employment. You know, the power nowadays is in oil. But you know that it took us a long time to even have a dialogue, internet on our homes. That is, you're watching TV through the internet. Yes, to the most remote places. You're watching what is called video on demand. You don't wait for news. You watch it on YouTube. As soon as you read it. Whenever you go hang out. Kitambo used to go to a club. They stop the music. Then they continue the music. People don't care. They play music. And when you go home, you can watch the news you missed. And you can receive the WhatsApp. Thank you very much, Mr. Robert and Lai. For that matter, be sure to find us on YouTube at Y2P4 channel. If you'd like to have a recap of this conversation, or if you know somebody who would like to know what Robert and Lai said on Y in the morning. I go by the name of Bymosis, or it's Bymoney on the social media platform. Don't drink and tweet. I like to tweet.