 Before we start, I just wanted to read from, you know, probes 31 and, you know, these are the words written by King Lemuel, right, probes last. Many times we always think that it probably, it was written by a man. It was definitely, you know, captured by a man. But then look at verse one, it says, the words of King Lemuel, the utterance of which his mother taught him, right. So about this probes 31 woman, it was actually shared, that wisdom was actually shared by his mother, right, King Lemuel. Okay. But the point is this, when you look at verses 2, 3 and 4, it says, what my son, what son of my womb, what son of my wows, do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings. It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes intoxicating drink, lest they drink and forget the law and pervert the justice of all the afflicted. Give strong drink to whom him who is perishing and wine to him, those who are bitter of heart, let him drink and forget his poverty and remember his misery no more. Open your mouth for the speechless, in the cause of all who are appointed to die. Open your mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. At verse nine, open your mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. So the beginning of the chapter is a warning how this judging righteously and pleading the cause of the poor and needy can actually be perverted and how it can be distorted when those who are in leadership, when those who are called to be leaders, position of power and leadership, when they actually give away their judgment and give away the ability to judge righteously and it happens in many ways. So some are listed when it's lust, when it's a desire for intoxicating drink, now that's going to, it's very plain, right? So these are many other ways by which we distort our judgment. So his mother actually shares his wisdom and has a warning, do not give away your strength, do not give away your ability to judge righteously, do not give away your ability to plead the cause for the one who's poor and needy, the one who is speechless, right? So it is also the same with us. All of us are called to be leaders, to be in and the Lord places us in positions of influence and impact. So it is possible that we give away that ability to do it, well, the ability to do it the way God wants us to do it, to judge righteously and so on and to give away that strength, right? So it's a warning for us not to do that and how not to do it, right? So let's pray and let's commit ourselves into his mighty hands and say, Lord, yes, thank you for the strength, the ability you've given me in my sphere of influence and thank you for this warning that I should guard myself and really guard my strength. And of course, through the New Testament believer, you know, we can say the abilities that God has given, the call that he has given, the things that he's put in our hearts, the revelation, not to give it away, not to squander it away, but to guard it and to use it, right? So let's pray. Father, we thank you Lord, we thank you for this day, we thank you for this time, we thank you that for these God thoughts in your word, Master. Thank you for warning us. Thank you for reminding us who we are, Lord, that we are people of influence, we are the salt, we are the light, the people of impact and that's how you have designed us and created us in our spheres of influence, Lord. It could be one person, it could be ten, it could be more, but God, you have placed us lot strategically, significantly, Lord, and thank you that God, even as you placed us, we are like the city on a hill, which cannot be hidden, so it cannot be hidden from you, so people are watching, people are listening, and people are trying to follow God in their search for answers, God. And so Lord, I pray that we will not squander away, that we will not give away our strength, God, but we will guard it and we will be on guard and walk righteously and do things in a righteous manner, God. We thank you, we give you all the praise at this time and we give you all the glory. In Jesus' much less name, we pray, amen, amen. Okay, all right, let's get, let's continue from where we stopped last class, looking at leading through time and the section that we looked at was about how we need to plan and how we need to organize ourselves, right, that's where we stopped, how we need to organize ourselves and we looked at some of the guidelines for planning and in that we said, okay, we need to organize ourselves and the first thing that we saw was that we need to organize the people, right, ministry, you know, it does not happen in a vacuum, it is with people, it is for people, and like God sees that and he says, you know, you are God's, like Paul says, there's going to be church, you know, you are God's field, you are God's building, so and all the sowing, watering and reaping, it's all about people, so we need to, if we are, God is interested people in our hands, then we need to organize, right, organize for focus, for clarity, for impact. So first thing that we need to do is organize our church or ministry in terms of how we are reaching out and we looked at that, okay, how do we organize ourselves internally, how do we organize ourselves, you know, based on who we are reaching internally and who are we, who we are reaching externally, right, in our outreach and missions and so on. Then second thing we said was we need to organize our people, so ministry leaders, they could be team leaders and we also have people who are serving as volunteers, so we need to get that bit organized in the sense, maybe in terms of appointing leaders, in terms of appointing teams and so on, so we do that and also then we have people who are volunteering to serve, you know, who's coming forward to say, okay, I'd like to be part of this, I'd like to be part of this vision, right, I'd like to be part of what this church or this ministry is doing and also, you know, it's not just church or ministry but could be anything, I'd like to be part of this vision, part of what we're doing, so we need to get that group also, that section of people also organized, okay, in terms of what everyone needs to do, defining the vision for them, communicating the vision to them, reiterating that and maybe, you know, enabling people to, or training people in the areas that they need to be involved in and so on, right, so that's the second area of getting ourselves organized. The third one is when we need to organize our resources, okay, so when we look at our resources, we see that, well, there are many resources that God puts into our lives and we looked at people, people are a resource, their skills, their abilities and so on. Then one of the resources that, you know, most neglected resource is time. Time is an amazing resource that God has given us and we need to really steward that well and the way to steward it is to organize it, okay, it's what we could call a non-renewable resource, right. What scripture does say, you know, walk circumspectly, redeeming the time, as if to take back, but we know that it's a non-renewable resource, it keeps sticking, it keeps flowing and we can't put it back into the jar once it's flowed out, right, but we have more of it available for us. So how do we do this? It is a valuable resource so we need to make sure that it is used well, it is stewarded well, okay. So planning in advance, okay, if you look at the screen, we see that planning in advance always helps, right. So if you look at our time, well, it is divided, you know, into years and into months and days and minutes and seconds and so on. So these are, you know, for convenience sake, we have this so we can use this well, we can break it down and use it well. So we can have, you know, if we are in a, let's say in a church kind of a ministry or even otherwise, we can plan ahead, plan ahead for the year, we can plan for the entire year. What are some things? So it can, this planning flows from the vision, of course, everything, from the vision, from the goals that we have for in achieving that vision for this particular year, 2023 maybe, and so we break it down into what are some of those things that we are doing, right, maybe it's a church, okay, what is the outreach that we are doing? When are we going to do it? So you have the annual calendar for that. We can look at how are we building our people and which means that how are, what are we, you know, nurturing people with that is a word in the spirit. So what are the things, some of the things that we are going to be looking at, we're going to be teaching in this coming year. So we have a plan for that and break it down in our annual calendar, right? So it's all listed down and everything, okay, this month we are targeting this. So each month is listed, what are we going to do? And also each week, typically if it's a church ministry, every Sunday counts, that's when everybody is gathering and that's when that's a valuable time, you know, people are willing to come and spend that time together so that can be used well. So everything needs to be planned. Of course, well, God might rearrange these things a bit, right? We might have to, there could be some contingencies that that couldn't happen because of which we might have to rearrange things. You might have to cancel a few things, we might have to take on a few other things and maybe, you know, swap something, substitute something with something else and that all that is fine, but it's good to have that plan for the entire year so that everyone who's part of the vision also knows and understands and more so for the ministry team, right? If you have a ministry team, which is comprised of pastors, who are teaching, going to be ministering, and others, other functional teams like those who are in charge of organizing things, organizing each meeting, maybe there's the sound and setup team, maybe there's the media team, which takes care of the media, the audio, the video, sorry, the video that goes on, the images, the PowerPoint and maybe the live streaming that happens and all that, you know, the tech stuff which goes behind communicating or communication of a particular message. So all that, people who are involved in all that, they can also plan, right? So organizing our time with the calendar annually, monthly, weekly, and, you know, at a personal level, right? We need to have daily things as well, okay, to track, to complete, to track things daily, you know, to see, okay, this month, this is where we are going, or this week, this is where we are, what needs to be done. So all these daily tasks actually add up to it or need to add up to it, okay? So, you know, we're going to be looking at priorities and so on. So, the thing is, if the daily task is not adding up or is not contributing towards reaching that goal, we need to really question that. We need to kind of look at it and reflect on it and see, you know, it's not really contributing. I can't see it, you know, contributing to reaching this. Do I need to continue? Do I need to continue doing this? Is it something that's going to be of value maybe sometime later? I don't know, but we need to ask ourselves that question and see if, okay, if it needs to be dropped, maybe we just need to drop it and say, okay, I'm not, I'm just going to discontinue doing this because it is not contributing because there's a, you know, there's a chunk of time, maybe, maybe three hours, four hours is going towards this and it's not really contributing. It's not really, you know, it could be anything and it could be, it could be rest, it could be, you know, it could be that, but three or four hours, you know, it could be that, it could be entertainment, it could be, you know, all that, that is, you know, that's needed for a person to function well, rest and work and, you know, health and all that. So if it's, it is not, if it is actually, you know, taking us away from what God wants for us, then we need to question, then we need to evaluate and make changes, right? So at a personal level, our daily things, our daily to-do list, our weekly to-do list really help us track things and complete the tasks at hand, right? Okay. Then the other thing that we need to organize is the other resource that we need to organize is our money, okay, finances. And as leaders, you know, we, we need to be aware and we need to be able to practice this in our own lives. Okay. So to the organization that we lead or the ministry that we lead, we are accountable first and foremost to God himself. So, and we are also accountable to man to steward this resource, which is money, which is finances, we need to steward it well. Okay. We know that in ministry people contribute, you know, through tides and offerings and other contributions and so on. If it is not a ministry, then well, probably it's goods and services that any organization is involved in and, you know, you are selling, you are buying, you are, you know, we're not getting into it, that aspect of it. But, you know, if you are, you know, as a businessman, as a working professional, then you are involved in all this. So that needs to be stewarded well as well, right? So how do we organize our finances? Okay. The simple thing is to have processes, have steps in place to make sure that there is proper accounting. Now, we may not be skilled in accounting. As a leader, we may not be skilled in accounting. We may not be knowledgeable in accounting, but we can always, you know, have someone who's skilled. We can always take someone on board, maybe as a volunteer, volunteer to take someone on board to take care of that accounting aspect. Okay. I see a question here. Are there any suggestions for tools for any application services used for organizing time and resources that we can streamline better? Okay. Yeah. I actually have that. Probably during the break, I will take that and, you know, share that with us. So there is a tool for planning that is, it's called the Peter Bregman's, it's a template, you know, 18 minutes template, every 18 minutes. I mean, I use that and it's quite effective. I'll share that. I'll share that. I'll put it on the stream. So that is for, yeah, that is something that is quite effective. And we can use that for time, for planning our time. Otherwise, a simple calendar, an Excel sheet is a great tool. And you have an Excel sheet, you have, even for budgeting, that we're talking about finances, that's good enough. You can use an Excel sheet. And for our daily, for our monthly calendar would help. And a daily thing, this Peter Bregman's to-do list really is helpful. Yeah. I'll share about that in a bit. Yeah. So when we look at finances, the simple thing is, you know, whatever money comes in to the organization, to the team, okay, needs to be recorded. So if that's a simple term rule, and whatever goes out needs to be recorded. Okay. So whatever comes in needs to be recorded in the sense there needs to be a time and there needs to be date. There needs to be how much, you know, you can't just say approximately, you know, because it's money can be counted. You don't need to approximate it. So it has to be to the, to the, you know, to the rupees and price, you know, if it's your currency, you know, dollars and cents or whatever your currency is, it needs to be accounted every little bit. Okay. It needs to be recorded, maybe in some kind of a register. And since it's an organization, obviously it needs to be, you know, kept safe. So in a bank, that's the logical thing, you know, you have a bank account for the organization, for the church, for the ministry, and everything needs to go in. So there are, you know, there are things that actually help us in the sense there are records of proof now since things are online, you have a record of it, you have an online statement. And also some of the hard copies, like when you make a deposit, you know, these are, you know, you would all obviously be depositing a check or you would be depositing cash in terms of hard currency. So there would be a deposit slip in which you enter. Okay. You know, let's say it's a 1000 or 2000 rupee note. So you actually enter how many 2000 rupee notes are there. Right. So it would typically look like this. I just put it on the chat. So 2000 rupee notes into 10, that's equals the 1000. And maybe there were 100 rupee notes, 100 into, say, 50. So that's, you know, in this manner, you actually mention it right in the, and it's good to mention it in your register. It's good to, and obviously in the bank, you will definitely have to mention that the bank would require that. So you mentioned that and then you have your copy organization has its copy. So you have your copy, which is filed and kept for counting purposes. Right. So this is a very simple way, but it is, it is important. It's an important record that we need to keep. Also, you'll be learning more about this in church administration. So not getting into it. So when it comes to counting, you know, always have maybe two to three people counted, never one person. So, and so on. So, for the sake of accountability and for the check and balance. So one might make a mistake, the other one can actually correct it. So it's two people, a better than one. So that's the thing, yeah. So you make, you keep a record of it. And the second thing is, whenever, whatever you spend, whatever it's spent on, that also needs to be, they're nice to be a record of that as well. So if you're spending it on whatever rent of the building, if it's an expense towards electricity, if it's towards water, if it's towards, you know, refreshments, if it's towards printing, if it's towards stationery, maybe it's towards internet, phone calls and all these are used in day-to-day life in ministry. So maybe subscriptions for certain websites, maybe servers because you're hosting your website on those servers. So all these things, there needs to be a proof, there needs to be a record. It's not, it's not enough to just put in the register and say, okay, I spent 500 rupees towards, you know, this expense, but you also need to have the proof of that, okay? Because what if it's 5000 and you're writing 500, right? But you've spent 5000 on it. Or maybe it's only 500 and you put an extra zero there, 5000, right? So there needs to be the proof which is an invoice or a bill which says, which has the, you know, all the details. On this day, it was, this much was spent for this purpose, right? And for most things, there is a record, there is a bill, right? We can, we can have a bill, we can get a bill. There could be certain things for which we, you know, small amounts, which we cannot, we may not be able to get a bill. But even that, you know, since these days, everybody uses the phone to make payment, you scan and, you know, you have a record of it on your phone, you have a record of it for which it was, it was used. So it is possible to get a bill or even a simple handwritten note is, so it helps to record and to steward that well. So it's important that we have this in place. So our finances are organized and we have a good grip on our spending, on our expenditure. And so it helps with our budgeting. Also, it is a way to say, be thankful to God. And it's a way to be accountable to God and to be accountable to the people who contribute. When we actually present it, present a statement or publish a statement for people and say, okay, this is what it was used for. So people can check any time and they can trust the ministry, trust the leader or the leadership. But if it's all, you know, if it's all hazy, if it's all gray, we don't know where the money is going, we don't know how it's spent. There's always a doubt in people's minds and they're not able to trust. Okay. And we might say, okay, you know, you need to trust the church, you need to trust the ministry, you're giving to God, all that is fine. But how will they reciprocate the trust? I mean, or how will they display the trust if they're not clear? So this is to help them and not to put any barrier or not to put the cause of concern, cause for doubt, a cause for pointing fingers, right? And because of which the ministry is blamed. And Paul is very clear in his episodes, he says, you know, you know what manner of life we lived so that ministry should not be blamed. So it's very, very clear, the manner of life, and more so when it comes to, you know, finances. And this is one of the things where, you know, people who actually easily point and saying, you know, this is very extravagant, wasting money. And so what people can point fingers, both in the church or outside of the church, right? And God's name is dishonored because of it, because of people who abuse the money that is actually been contributed. So we need to use it wisely, we need to, you know, do it well. So organizing our finances is also finance being one of the resources, right? So we looked at people, we looked at the ministry itself and people and time and finances. Okay. So to get it organized is very, very important. And that role or that responsibility comes to the leader. So we need to be, we need to understand, okay, this is, yeah, this is my responsibility. Okay, no one else is going to do it. This is my responsibility. Either I do it myself or I delegate it and get it done. Okay. There's no escaping this responsibility. Right? Okay. So the next thing that we, we want to look at as part of leaders, as part of the leadership responsibility. The leaders responsibility is also to develop other people, right? Whether it's in, you know, they call, they help them discover the call, to help them discover the gifting, to help them grow in it. That's the, that's the responsibility of the leader to develop leaders so that the tasks, the responsibilities can be shared and certain things can be delegated. Handed over so that other leaders can take care of, carry the load and share the load. When, if you look at, you know, Paul's epistle in Galatians, Paul talks about how he went and met the leaders in Jerusalem. And this is what he says, you know, in Galatians chapter one and verse 18, he says, after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, remained within 15 days. I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord's brother. And as we go to the second chapter, so then Paul says, in verse nine, you know, he's again talking about his experience going to Jerusalem, meeting the apostles and so on. And he says, after 14 years, I went again to Jerusalem. That's in chapter two. And chapter two, verse nine says, and when James, Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hander fellowship that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. So Paul makes mention, they seemed to be pillars. Who are the names then? They say James, Peter and John, and they seemed to be pillars, pillars of what? Pillars of the house of God, right? Pillars of that ministry or pillars of the church. So we know what a pillar does. Pillar actually enables, pillar gives stability to the building, to the structure, and pillar takes care of, you know, the gives the strength to the entire building. So that is why we have pillars. So the bigger the width and height, we need to have pillars and beams and we cannot do away with it. So we need to have pillars. So pillars are important for the building, for the structure. If you want a bigger building, if you want a bigger, you know, stronger building, and where as important the foundation is, so also the pillars. So he's saying, these seem to be pillars. So the pillars are leaders or leaders are pillars. And it's important for leaders to develop others to be leaders, okay, to raise up leaders and people who are faithful, people who are committed. The responsibility of the leader is to nurture to nurture, to mature others, to bring them to the level of leadership. So well, there are many people who are there and to be developed into leaders. So here are some characteristics. Okay, so here are some characteristics that one needs to watch out for or spot in others who could be potential leaders. Okay, so these people have leadership potential, so they can be developed into leaders. Okay, so here are some things, there could be more, but we are looking at a few here. The first one is personal life example, which means that does this person who is a believer, okay, this is what they believe in, do they live out, not on Sundays, not on certain days, but do they live out daily what they believe in? Okay, which means that, okay, they believe that they are believers, they say that they love the Lord, say that they worship, that the word of God means something to them, do they follow this in their daily life? Okay, are they consistent? What is their life like? So this is their personal life example. Okay, now this needs to be there, their testimony, their life, so that's the thing, that's a very basic thing. So if it is not there yet, then yes, they need to be given time. So that's the thing, not everybody will be fine, some people could be just very new, young believers, immature, need to grow. Okay, so but this is something which is required, which is basic, their personal life example. Okay, the second one is spiritual and emotional maturity. Okay, so maturity meaning coming to a level of completeness. Okay, they're not perfect, but they come to a level of maturity or completeness in their life, so they know how to take care of themselves spiritually. Okay, so meaning and also emotionally. Right, so they are stable in that, consistent and stable in that, in these areas. So especially they know, okay, these are some things, they're disciplines of worship and prayer and word and it is something that is ingrained in them. They know how to read the word of God, they know how to, you know, feed themselves on the word of God. They are dependent on the word of God and prayer and everything is part of their lives. Right, so spiritually, emotionally, they are mature. Also emotionally, when you look at it, you know, they've actually grown to such a level that they don't need constant affirmation. They're not pursuing these accolades and recognition. They're not just going, you know, doing things so that people will applaud them or people will say nice things about them. They don't want to do things in order to be popular. Okay, in order to have some kind of popularity and recognition, etc. So they're doing things because things need to be done. Right, they take care of things and it's not for so that people will recognize so that they can be popular with people. So emotionally, also they are mature. Okay, now, while we look at this, you know, all these characteristics, now, we need to understand that people will not, you know, people will take time to come to this level. People will definitely not be perfect. Right, and they could be in different levels of maturity. They will always be scope for growth. We are looking at, you know, especially with emotional maturity, to a certain extent that, well, it does not actually interfere with their daily functioning. The daily functioning, they're able to do things effectively. They're also able to, you know, one of the other things is we're going to look at is that they need to be able to take care of others, like nurture others. Now, this emotional and spiritual maturity has to be, the maturity level has to be so that they are able to do this for others as well, nurture others as well. So that is what we're looking at, you know, that level of maturity and that level of emotional and spiritual maturity. Okay, then it's a very important thing. Third one is alignment. Okay, so what does that mean? That means that are they agreeing or in line with the vision, the vision, first of all, the vision of the organization, the vision of the church, the vision of the ministry? Okay, are they aligned to that? Or do they have a completely different vision altogether, which is fine, you know, because God has called them and maybe God has imprinted that in their hearts, saying, okay, this is what you need to do. Okay, maybe something to do in, you know, maybe the church is all about urban and, you know, missions and all that, but then maybe they're here, you know, this person, this leader, or potential leader has a completely different vision altogether. So if it is not in line, then we need to understand that God has a different plan for this person. Well, they can be part of it and, you know, but with regard to leadership, with regard to, you know, certain things, maybe they're not the right person, maybe they're called to do something on their own, maybe they're called to do something with, you know, someone else altogether. We need to respect that, right? It's not like we are enemies or anything, but it's just that they're different and they need to, they God wants them to do something else. So there's no point in forcing them and holding them back and trying to conform them to, you know, to this, right? Well, if their heart is not in it, their heart is not aligned to the vision, then it's not going to really work out, right? And so the mistake we might make is, okay, one day probably they'll come aligned. It's not going to happen and it's very, very risky because they're going to lead a lot of people away from the church or the organization. And then, you know, as a leader, you know, you don't necessarily, you know, you don't, you should not do that, right? You don't want a potential leader to be in that place of, you know, in that place of leadership, sorry, and not aligned to the vision, you don't want to do that because God given vision is this and you want people to be aligned to that vision so that we can grow together. Okay, so vision and also the teaching, the values, the culture of the church. I'm saying church, but it could be team, it could be organized ministry, maybe an NGO, whatever, you know, the teachings, the direction in which the organization is going, the values, the standards, if they are not in line with that, not aligned to that, then again, that's an issue. So, so the thing is to share, right? And initially also, you know, we're going to look at that initial stage, what do you do, growth stage, what do you do with someone who is, you know, who needs to be nurtured to a leadership position. So how do you do that? So if the alignment is not there, then we need to, you know, think and maybe we, maybe that person is meant for something else. Okay, certain other attributes, responsibility, you know, do they take their role? Will they take up the role with a sense of commitment, seriousness, are they responsible for it? You know, if one day they say that they will come and they don't show up and no explanation is given and no, nothing, they just continue as if nothing happened, then there's a very serious flaw, right? There's a serious problem because they lack responsibility. And, you know, as a leader, you need to be responsible because you're going to be responsible for certain tasks, responsible for certain things and to be done. And you're carrying a weight, right? And you can't just put that weight or, you know, let go of that weight, you're getting a weight of responsibility. And it's very important. The person needs to be responsible. Okay. And these are certain things that we will look for, you know, any team, any team, any organization will say, is that person responsible? Can I give the company's assets into their hands? If it's an accountant, you know, we'll be dealing with money, can I trust this person? Is this person responsible or is it responsible? Is this person going to be very responsible? I give them the card, company card and everything and all that and how are they going to use it? Right? The next one, closely related is reliability. Okay. Candice, is this person dependable? This is person reliable. Okay. Because you're entrusting an entire, maybe functioning of a particular team, right? Functioning of a particular area of ministry into that person's hand. So, are they reliable? Okay. Will they get the work done or will they always come up with excuses as to why this was not done? You know, there are always valid reasons for certain things, how certain things, why certain things could not be done, but was the effort made and so on. Okay. So, that's another question, practically, how long does it take to identify potential leaders? You know, it depends, right? It really depends on the person and also their interaction and their involvement, you know, the level of involvement. You know, sometimes, like let's say, we don't see them at all, we just see them once a month and then, you know, that really doesn't give us enough time or enough opportunity to actually evaluate, right? So, it really depends on that. But, yeah. So, we can, in our interactions, in our day-to-day, or maybe week-to-week interactions, if you're looking at a particular church ministry, you can find out maybe three, four months, maybe six months. Yeah, we can easily find out. Some, it's very, very, okay. Also, when a person doesn't show up on time, do we take the first step in asking them or do we wait for them to inform us? Okay, let's say they come late and it's all like, it was good to ask, why, hey, what happened? You know, not in a, you know, not in a very, what do you call, condemning manner, but genuinely interested in why, you know, there could be some very valid reason why they are late. So, it's good if we take the initiative and find out if they are not saying, you know, if they are not communicating why they didn't, it's good to just find out what happened. Because then the person also knows that, yeah, I'm supposed to be there and this leader, this person, this leader, you know, is serious about me coming on time. Because if we, if you don't ask, you know, even in a friendly manner, if you don't ask, hey, what happened, you know, you're supposed to be there, then the person will assume that it's okay. You know, it's a, it's a nonverbal kind of a thing, you know, okay, it's accepted, it's fine. Nobody's going to ask anything. It's okay for me to come late. And then it's going to be very difficult for that person to come on time, you know, the person just takes it for granted that nobody's going to question, nobody's going to ask me anything. Yeah, so Isaac has a question, raise your hand, Isaac. If you have a question, you can, you can ask. No, sir, no, sir, no questions. No question. Okay. Okay, so John, does that help, John? Yes, but sometimes, as we mentioned, when a person doesn't show up and if we don't ask, they won't say and it might become a habit, as you mentioned. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's good to like gently ask. And some people have some problems, you know, like, in a sense, maybe they're taking some medication for some allergy, because of which, you know, all those things, it's good to find out and some have a problem, because they all, they normally do late nights and they have a problem waking up. So these are practical things. So it's, it's good to even give them suggestions. Okay, can I ask someone to give you a wake up call? Things like that. And normally, it should get sorted. Yeah. Yes. Pass on one more question. Yeah. So let's say we, we see a person and we kind of start thinking that, okay, he might be interested in helping into some areas. Yeah. But, you know, the, the way they interact at the beginning of the season. And after some time, we don't see anything. So we don't see anything in a sense, no communication, no information, sometimes won't turn up for surveys or anything of that sort. So we can still take a step back or should we check a not being seen you or Yeah. I mean, as leaders, I think it's good for us too, because, you know, these are people who are, who are in a way, I would say, okay, let's say God has entrusted them to us. There's always, you know, if you look at, they're all, they're always the core, you know, the inner circle who are always, you know, who are sold out to the vision who are helping, then we might have the committed ones, but we're not part of the core thing, you know, you can't really share your burden, but they're committed. Then we have the community, which means that they serve once in a while. And then the outer circle is, is the crowd, you know, the visitors. So they might come, they might not. So I'm talking about a typical church scenario. So you have the crowd, you have the community, then you have the committed and then the core. So that normally just helps us, okay, there are these kinds of things. So just because people are a crowd does not mean that, you know, they, they're bad people, just that, you know, in this season, they are a crowd, right? So we just give them time, opportunity, always make it available, and then they will move. So your question is, okay, what if, you know, we had great, we thought, okay, because of the initial interaction, they will move from that crowd to the core very quickly. But that unfortunately, you know, didn't happen. We can always ask, you know, because there are certain things which actually cause people to distance themselves. It could be their interaction with someone else in the church, it could be something they are, you know, they're finding it difficult, maybe it's a teaching, maybe it's a doctrine, something, there could be a number of reasons. So it's good to ask and to check, you know, a house, it could be their schedule, because of which, you know, they're not able to serve, etc. And it's good to find out and continue to give opportunities, you know, not critical ones, but opportunities to serve, you know, saying, okay, this is open, you're welcome. You may not be able to lead the team, you know, that of course, we understand, but you're welcome to come and serve. And then, yeah, okay, one more question before we take a break. How does one gain confidence and trust of the leader? Okay, gaining confidence and trust is, it's again time. And it depends on us being consistent. You know, suppose my leader needs to gain my confidence, or has to have confidence in me and trust me, then, which means that it is based on, you know, whatever was entrusted, if I bring it to completion, and I do that constantly, and also in, you know, even when things were difficult, things were, and also, the thing is like, and all these qualities, you know, we're going to look at the other attributes also that I display that, right? So that happens, that happens. Examples, okay, can we take a break and then come? We look at the examples and also that to-do list, I'll share that once we come back, right? Yeah, sure, thank you. Okay, right.