 People of the internet welcome to modern-day debate tonight. We are debating Flat Earth and we are starting right now I am cast host of the atheist atheist edge and we have whits it gets it versus Delcos tonight Each person is gonna get 10 minutes for their opening statement and 40 minutes for their open discussion And then 35 minutes of Q&A, so I believe Dell is gonna be going first Dell So at your first word I will start your timer. The floor is all yours All right, so I was gonna start off with a diagram, but My computer does not want to share that screen onto here, so we're not gonna do that Instead, I think we're gonna take an approach that I've never heard before I don't know. I've listened to a few Flat Earth debates in preparation of this I'm trying my nose and so There's a there's an interesting question I've never heard anyone ask which is why Would it be flat and we would pretend it's a globe so something that I teach people and myself I use to debunk whatever Is you don't think about it as in can I find evidence for it you think of it in the sense of What would the world look like if this was a true real thing and so You basically go from the bottom up right and so you you start at Flat Earth and you imagine we have a flat earth You're flat if they were trying to hide that if that was a conspiracy or what whatever for whatever reason Why would you come up with a? Ball as the answer to your conspiracy, right? Why would you use why would you come up with space and you would put all this effort in because if I was a big evil person? Charge no matter what I was trying to hide whether it was extra land or you know Whatever god thing doesn't work because most people are religious So that's the non-starter, but if I was trying to hide something like that I wouldn't come up with this whole Guys we live on a ball that spins and then we're gonna build thousands of industries that also utilize these facts Every day that's silly you would just say something like well across the ice wall is super radioactive You can't go there problem solved Stop. There's no expiration. Everybody believes you anyway. You're like there you go. So from the get-go. It's fairly goofy. I Don't have any other words like goofy. I'm trying to I don't know if this is a family-friendly stream, but Coming from that point of view of a fresh person It's like I don't I don't even see why you would make this flat, right? If you're trying to hide you can check in Archka for yourself You could take a boat you can go around it. You don't need to go on it You can just sail around it and just keep it in view And if it's giant you're gonna notice. Wow guys. We've been sailing for like a while and we've Still not reached the edge of this ice wall, right? But no we can go around it You don't need a permit to go around it when it's in view He's been ocular to tell us that whatever and just circle around it. There's no need to go in it So yeah, that's just it would be interesting to have that address because I feel that all the flat earth arguments have already been Science ones are already been repeated again and again, and there's it's it's a it's an old debate if that makes sense There's no real new ground to tread on that. So I guess the question would be for this is Why would it be flat? Why why would we come up with this whole thing, right? So I I make a Well, I guess it's a autonomous inertial compensation for for by Peter look emotion platforms. We were in the RoboCup 2014 for the full size which are like four foot tall. I have part of it back there way back there as the garage. Sorry and They use things that gravity not only for compensating for downward Forces but also side to side Which is not density because it's not bi-directional or well, it's down, right? It was density and buoyancy would be going Like that, but it also applies right side to side. So that's Also something that needs to be addressed, but the main the main thing I'm interested in hearing about is Why would you come up with a globe? concept to hide a flat earth for whatever reason I do the reason is It's it's not necessary We're assuming there are people in charge hiding the shape of the earth for God money Jesus whatever Why would they choose? This shape, why would you have companies? I think Sony actually in a few months is Releasing micro satellites that you yourself can pay to have time on and do whatever you take pictures I think for a certain price. They let you send up your own I would use a cube sat for that But that's not relevant the point is you can use it take pictures Yourself of whatever you want is, you know, there's all these Thousands of different things that rely on this and it's very silly if this was a conspiracy to go We're not only going to make this completely weird because the geometry is not the same at all We're not only gonna do that We're gonna make it so that we use it constantly for everything and not only that we're gonna permit private companies To go explore it and I guess in the flat earth you pretend to go do that So they're just burning their own money because they're private companies. I don't I mean I guess Maybe they're in on it, but they can't be bribed. You're not gonna bribe musk You guess we're buddy that got what he couldn't tell him, you know, so I don't understand that that's also very silly But I think the main point here is the shape. Why would you say it's flat if it's not flat, right? If you're trying to cover up whatever Why would you use a flat earth for that? Why would you use a glober and I think that's about all I got on that Got four minutes left. I don't know if I can Wait and those over hand it over if you like that's fun. Yeah Great, okay, we'll go over to Austin for his 10 minute statement Austin the floor is all yours at your first work All right, how's it going? Let me let me go over here and show my show Slide show And I'm gonna share if that's cool. All right, cool. That was uh, That was cool, man. We'll get into it. So we were all told that the earth Is a ball that's moving through space. That's a bit exaggerated, of course, but Anyway, so the question is is the earth moving? I Wanted to throw this in here is this hilarious to me There's a quote from my sign the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than my talent for observing or absorbing positive knowledge And that's because the heliocentric model is a fantasy hence why it changes every couple days But another quote from him. I never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking What is it about? Cosmology that would completely dismiss rationale. I don't know that seems weird. I covered this the last time I'm gonna kind of breeze through this part, but This is the infamous Mickelson Morley. It's called the most famous failed experiment in history. I Showed actually that the earth wasn't moving so to answer one of your questions Why would they why would they stick to this idea of space and all that well? It's called the cosmological principle Which is the idea that the earth cannot occupy a special or unique position in the universe if it does Of course that has serious philosophical implications So they came up with a whole new physics that space is the fourth dimension and stuff been more but you can't tell blah blah Here's him talking about it since then I've come to believe that the motion of the earth cannot be detected by the any Optical experiment though the earth is revolving around the Sun is admitting he believes if I can't prove it here He is also saying that you can't use any terrestrial experiments to do that In every attempt to try to detect the orbit of the earth was negative result Here is another quote I found recently from him And I think it's funny because people get really triggered when I bring up quotes I don't know why I'm just like articulating the position that you guys hold Anyway, but when I was a student I saw that experiments of this kind had already been made in particular by your compatriot I guess Mickelson he proved that one does not notice anything on earth that it moves But that everything takes place on earth as this as if the earth is in a state of rest So according to the current paradigm We're actually tilted wobbling gyrating spinning revolving around the Sun shooting through space But everything takes place as if it was at rest So if someone can't actually absorb that that's what they believe it puts me in this weird awkward position where I have to defend You have to like have to argue with you about what you believe we can't even get to the actual substance of the conversation So hopefully we can surpass that tonight. Here's an infamous observations called the black swan The horizon should be 1.2 miles away the the camera was just over the water You see the horizons beyond the furthest platform there Almost 10 miles away, which would require radius of 264,000 miles. It's just weird. I mean people just say the word of fraction They don't understand it. They don't know what terrestrial fraction is or how we guide it. They just say it They just say a word It's like a religion, you know, like you get words and phrases and you chant them from the stands And then you pass around the donation plate Anyway, um, here is a first radio transmission sent across the Atlantic Ocean Marconi they told him that he wouldn't be able to send it more than 200 miles because the curvature of the earth would block it He actually said that 2,200 miles successful the first transmission using a horizontal propagation over the ocean Since then we've actually done them and even he did them as far as 10,000 miles 10,000 miles horizontal propagation The curvature there should have blocked at 200 miles super awkward People also say why doesn't what's it ever bring flat earth evidence? That's what this is So pay attention to this part, please instead of just saying I didn't bring evidence Let's pay attention to the positive evidence that I'm putting forth here instead of just hand waving it. It's awkward All right, so a plain survey data, right? So plain surveying is a survey in which the earth's surface is assumed to be a plane and the curvature of the earth is ignored Survey works up to a hundred square miles and they are surveys that are up to a hundred square miles are Treated as a plane. So this is how we actually make measurements on the earth. This is how we have those maps You guys are so proud of a plane surveys are carried out for engineering projects on sufficiently large scale to determine relative Portions of individual features of the earth's surface plane surveys are used for the layout of highways Railways canals fixing boundary pillars construction of bridges factories, etc The scope and use of plane surveys is very wide for majority of engineering projects Plane surveying is the first step to execute them plane surveys are basically needed for proper economical and accurate planning of all engineering projects and their practical significance can not be over estimated So that's how we actually do things in the real world So how is this not positive evidence if you're making a claim antithetical to we have to survey the earth as if a plane to build everything If you're claiming it's actually not that you you have a substantial burden of proof If this this is objectively positive evidence that the earth's a plane. I know it's uncomfortable, but whatever Here's something seen from 163 miles away There should be 10,000 coverage our feet of curvature blocking these mountains and you can see them And in fact you can see them once the Sun goes up behind them And you see the outline to sell a lot of it. He should be completely blocked Why can't we see the mountains? See we just went out and tested the earth, bro It's it's not what they said don't make it awkward, right? Like here's Chicago from like 70 plus miles away How can we see all of it should all be blocked based on the curvature of the earth? Soon as the Sun goes down behind it. You can see it. I talked to locals here They said that you see it all the time you see it three or four times a week Here's a military document propagation of electromagnetic fields over a flat earth for ground weapon systems It's actually a weapon system the military uses and they treat it as a flat earth a dielectric plane specifically So why why would you not account for curvature if we're using a weapon system? Here's a laser test We see far beyond the curvature of the earth like we always do Here is a question that people love to ask. How could you have things disappear bottom up if the earth was flat? Well, you can have a lensing effect right here. You will see That the Sun you on the right is moving towards you up above the table But it looks like it's coming from the bottom up from behind the mountains. So it's very simple. Here's the Sun actually Disappears into the horizon not behind a physical curved horizon You can see it. It disappears up above the water into the horizon, which is the vanishing point So that's not a physical location. So to say it is is weird So I'm gonna breeze through some of these because these are what we always get and um Fallacies logical fallacies are you know an invalidation of your argument? Okay, so if you appeal to the authority saying well This authority said it must be true That's a fallacy if you say what's it doesn't have the proper credentials to talk about this so his argument must automatically be wrong That's a fallacy poisoning the well So oh all flat earthers think this flat earthers think everyone's lying flat earthers are the same one that didn't inject themselves with 47 boosters Whatever you say to discredit that side's position preemptively It's called poisoning the well which if you saw my debate with conspiracy cats that was his opening argument Okay, that's a fallacy. You got it. Everyone knows ad hominem fallacies I'm bringing these up because they are reoccurring. It's like Groundhog Day every time I debate on here a bunch of fallacies So if you attack the person instead of the argument, that's an ad hom fallacy Texas Sharpshooter fallacies like what they do a geodetic surveying You basically draw a circle on the wall then shoot that are you actually shoot your gun at the wall And you walk over there and draw your target around where you shot But that's not like you didn't actually hit the target geodetic surveying does this by throwing out lots of the measurements So that may come up most of the time when people say there's evidence of curvature. This is what they do There's a false dilemma fallacy also referred to as a false dichotomy or false binary Or all or nothing fallacy saying well, it has to be this way or there's no other way that comes up a lot as Well a pill to a motion is one of the biggest ones we get and that's just fallacious like to like oh man You know, there's no way everyone could be lying or oh man, you think everything's a lie or whatever it is You're peeling to a motion. That's fallacious. This is the biggest one though We haven't one minute forty left shifting the burden of proof now I say the earth's a plane. They're like you have to burn a proof as a positive claim That is a positive claim and saying the earth is flat as a positive claim as well and that is flat is not a shape That's a description of a surface. Okay, like I told you we substantiate that every day with plain survey That's how we do engineering So we have substantiated that we treat the earth as a plane. We measure it as a plane We shoot radio transmissions as a theater plane, etc You guys are claiming that the earth's actually not a plane though. It's a spinning ball. That's curving flying through a vacuum So you have the burden of proof you have to substantiate that positive claim that's antithetical to empirical evidence You have to substantiate to us. We were all told the same thing. We used to believe the same thing that you think Right, so we just We would love some evidence for your claim instead of shifting it over to us I'll where's your model Austin? Well, she just gave birth So a pill from incodulity is basically like oh, I can't understand how the earth could be flat So it couldn't be that a fallacy argument at populum. Everyone thinks the earth's a ball Fallacy strawman fallacy is one of the most popular ones if the earth was flat This should happen this should happen. This is how it works on a flat earth Which it thinks this flat earthers say this if you're not representing the actual position argument That's a strawman fallacy also known as one of the most dishonest fallacies that exist Red herring fallacy very common fallacy in these debates And I bring something up and then you shift it over to make it look like it's part of the subject But actually you're changing the subject right herring fallacy invalidate your argument We know how much time begging the question Pistological fallacy in which an argument's premise assumed the truth of the conclusion If we assume the earth's of all then look at the sky that looked the what we assumed The matches the sky because that's how we came up with the ball therefore earth's of all That's a fallacy and so basically in summary the use of fallacious arguments Especially with the intention of deceiving is the definition of sophistry So I would hope maybe we can have an honest conversation void of fallacies and I think it'll be much more productive than usual So that's pretty much All I got Cool, cool before we thank you so much. Is it open now? It's open time. Not yet. 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I will start your timer for 40 minutes All right, so before we get anything else. Are you saying that the sun? Like it does this Like it stops and it disappears into something I don't know you showed a picture of where it's hovering about the horizon I get what you're saying, but like What do you say is it what like I don't know just like what the hell is that supposed to be Are you saying it goes like disappears into clouds? I don't get what you're trying to say with that. There wasn't any clouds there. What are you talking about? You showed a picture of the sun over the ocean or something, right? And it was hovering over it, right? It looked like it was disconnected like this like it was that little gap Yeah, so what are you saying is happening at that point? Exactly, I don't what are you hearing into the vanishing point of the amus right But you guys claim that it disappears behind the curve of the earth that proves that actually it'll disappear Have nothing to do with the curve of the earth and many people say the sun sets impossible on a flat earth Which is just really ignorant and you can go look at the sun that it disappears above the horizon So that was that's the point is just to show to preemptively address the denialism It was just it's very Very interesting picture with the a different Story behind it. I didn't understand what you were talking about for a sec All right, so behind the curve of the earth in that video though do what you agree It's clearly not going like behind. Well, it is but it's hidden behind it Like that's the point of refraction and I have a wonderful Bank of a clips talking about how refraction is very important Refraction would like to hear them What's up? Refraction made the sun disappear Well, it affects light and what does the sun emit it makes things disappear What does the sun emit? How do you see the sun with Light how to make it disappear though Because of refraction over the horizon. Well, I don't know why this is difficult I don't understand why this is hard I understand reflection very well. I know but I don't understand this the concept of what you're trying to say I don't get I don't get what you're trying to say it's doing Okay, but it's it's not physical or not. Is the sun a physical thing or do you think it's a plasma? I don't I don't think you don't know. Okay, so you don't know if you want it either way. Okay, so that's not you just believe What was said to you though like I have a friend that works at ADS or ALS I guess and they launch things like cube sats and they even do the same class satellites. What went to the sun There doesn't need to go to the sun What are you talking about if we have a thing in space and I could pay some dude That I know $10,000 to put one of the tests I've done into space. I don't care That's it and you can't falsify all that information You can't take something that me or another engineer is built and then say oh Well, actually it doesn't do that. You can't trick people who build things You can't go to ALS and say I need you to launch those cubes at that My class has been building for a year into space and then falsify data like What do you realize how many are sent up Even like a sda class satellite do what geostationary? No, no, no cube sat It's a it's a there's thousands of private companies But my friend works for us ALS and we contract with them sometimes because we do robotics projects And so they send up hundreds of cube sats that are built by colleges and personal use Which is what I did one time it was it's a it's 12 to $10,000 to build one There's kits online and then you contract them they even do brokerage accounts now so you can get it like Basically for I don't know what tesla charges or whatever you want. Shit. No, it's a satellite It's just a tiny box geostationary man. I know but these are just what I'm saying They're tiny boxes and they work with the earth and you can put whatever I mean within reason Whatever you want on it no weapons or anything And they're sent up hundreds of the time by college miscellaneous people and you can't just like Do you think they're capturing them like a net in the rocket before they Hit the dome and then they like bring them to a secret lab and just like falsify all the information for these thousands Because they're launched constantly covered straw man. That's not a straw man. That's a question I don't know how you explain The hundreds and thousands of things that get sent up like per year. It's a private company These aren't governments up on a flat earth What because you can't orbit a flatter. What do you mean? How would you orbit a flat earth? Uh Do you know what a globe I don't even have a ball mix You know what a moon versus a flat thing looks like from above it you could tell the shape from above Really, it's not yes, really Yes, because the math is you can't just shoot them up and go. Oh god. I hope it gets into orbit guys We get too many calculations. I hope it hits that I know what's it You have to do Lots and lots of textures before you even touch the satellite. You can't just shoot it up and go. Okay guys. I hope it hits Whatever I hope it starts floating around like it's not just blindly shot up, right? We know what we're doing That's the problem Okay, so hey, hey, can I ask you some questions though, man? So we can like go ahead Let's just it's a light part. Let's get the big part of it out of here. Okay. It's kind of cool So like, um, it's a lamp You just kind of believe the story you were told right Well, no because first off I have a personal connection with the person who runs the company and second off The the amount what do you mean? You just believe the story of the earth in general because that's kind of like what's accepted and what you were told, right? Have you ever tested talking about overall? Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to get some specific topic Oh, you're trying to go broadly as in like the whole field Well, I just want to see where we are. We only have a few minutes. I want to see like You agree that like for one Falsifications independent of replacement the global it's a positive claim. We were all told you can go I don't know about that So because there's again hundreds of thousands of companies. There's millions of people that rely on these Amazon launches cubesats now. That's cool. Um, there's thousands of companies that do this There's millions of humans that work with these concepts every day That's not one guy saying guys. I saw a big foot in the forest. That's I'm not corporations building their entire Like they get paid millions of dollars per launch to to bring these boxes into space You can't just say that stuff goes in the sky, man. How many times I gotta say it's not going in the sky It's it's orbiting and it's projected and you could see it You can track them and then you can go. Hey guys My thing that I built that I'm getting this data from usually the rest of tv because that's really cheap I am getting it through this it will be above this spot at this time Here's the orbited path that it's taken and I can look up and I can get the transmission Why the site from it, right? Have you ever seen a path projected on a flat projection? Yes, it's like this. It's goofy and again No, it's a perfect. It's a perfect power of light like the iss is a perfect geometry It's a what you can have an orbit over a plane. It's the word. I missed the word what you said It's a perfect example has like a sacred geometric trajectory over a flat projection. You can have things I have no idea what sacred geometry means. All right, man. This is what I'm trying Okay, look at this. Look at this. What is your response to my presentation? You what do the positive? Oh, I did take notes on that So first off, where did you get all those Einstein quotes because they're very well done But did you make the pictures or what? Yeah, okay? You should go into that then that's actually we might make some money doing like inspirational quotes or something I don't do this for money. Those are pretty. No, no, not flatter. So just in general because those quotes were pretty. Thank you. So So first off for the first one It goes what is it an optical experiment? Well, no, you can't use an optical. It doesn't matter. That's the key word So you're least, you know, you're cutting out this whole section. Yeah, okay. He said optical That's not about the terrestrial experiment quote in the next quote. He says any terrestrial experiment Which means any experiment on the earth For what rotation or the shape of the earth or motion of the earth For motion of the earth as in rotation or as in scooting around space Well, there's multiple motions that it's doing It's not just spinning the orbit. He says that the rotation is either the sky moving or the earth moving their interchangeable coordinate systems They're identical. They're not physically different at all. So the way that you talk about orbit You're saying you can't measure orbit from down here. This is what it's Yeah, it's impossible to tell we're actually orbiting well I mean, I suppose with one reference frame. No, you can't but we don't have just one reference name So that's a relevant on the earth. We only have one. So you're saying we have to believe in outer space travel, right? Well, I don't have to believe in it because I know the fucking person does it See, we always go back to that this will always revert to you don't know because you haven't seen it Yes, because I've said things with people that like colleges like groups do this. This is a thing It was how far in space do they go bro? I have no clue depends on the system. Okay. ESPA goes up to about Oh I don't know how do they verify the distance like I've actually debated uh a aerospace engineer and I've actually talked to people I'm not an aerospace engineer. Like I said, it's my friend's company. I do robotics projects I don't do aro. I think space is cool. I do this for entertainment I don't really care about space and that's another thing is like if the earth was flat If the earth was Alexa stop it Completely lost what I say now. It's okay. Why can we send radio transmissions 10 000 miles horizontally? Well, it depends on the radio transmission and also Horizontally as in it would be shooting off the edge or horizontally as in if I'm here If I'm here and I want to send a transmission here. I can go like that That's not horizontal. I hit the curve. What's it? I'm talking about if there's two people, right? If we're two people here, right? Let's do the first. Let's do it on a flat earth first Okay, so we're two people and we're standing right here Are you saying that like this is imagines is 10 000 miles or whatever you're saying that they can send a transmission across, right? Yes, okay So if it's on a ball the surface of the ball is still horizontal It's like when you fly in a plane it's still horizontal because you're keeping with that That's like that's I don't know what no, what do you mean? Okay? I got you. I got you. Okay, so like I think Trust me. I got you man. You're Playing that the story isn't a plane we fly like the earth is horizontal But it's just because it's locally flat and it's level and it's maintained by gravity that's bending us around the ball This doesn't work with radio transmission. No, but that was my analogies. I'm trying to say is that's what you're saying Doesn't work with radio though It's flat is what I'm saying on the flatter you're going like this Let me tell you what your size answer is so then you can tell me how to leave it So so they sent it 2200 miles they're supposed to get blocked by the curved here at the 200 miles And they didn't so what they did they then came up with the idea of the ionosphere And they say that the radio waves go up into the sky and then they bounce up and down You know, that's not horizontally. What's it? You said horizontally. I know about ionic bounces And I know about earth bounces as well, but that's not line of sight. You are bouncing it directly up and then back No, that's not how just like when you do it to the moon You can do an earth moon uh earth bounce, which is also something that's very interesting And only work for the moon is there Marconi shot them shot the radio transmission horizontally using line of sight he didn't account for anything to do with ionosphere They didn't even know it existed and the first attempt it was it was received 2200 miles away So then they came up with the idea of the ionosphere because they're like there's no way It should have done that if yours evolved so then they're like, oh well if it's going horizontally The earth's going to drop underneath it, which means it's going to start going up to space So it must have bounced back down So we're just are you talking about a specific experiment? Yeah, marconi's radio transmissions the first radio transmission over the ocean I have no idea how you do it other than shooting it upwards. You could bounce off a satellite You could do whatever you want. I have no idea what you're talking about with the other We can move on but that'd be but again the earth moon earth bounce while we're on radios is a thing that is done by Ambitures constant really really really you have verification of that. Yes. In fact, I talked to tune because I just did a ISS I just met him recently. I did an ISS You could actually get an sstv signal from the space station You have a big enough antenna and I have nasty old computers over there that are from like 2004 with a ton old software on them And uh, we got it and i'm going to be putting on my youtube channel in a few minutes and basically they send out Do you know sstv is You know that sstv sstv. It's a way of transmitting images Like very very okay. It's a very basic way of sending pictures is all you need to know for this Okay, so you can actually get a picture that they send and it has a time stamp It takes a picture of it's usually whatever it's of crew members of the earth They take a picture and then you can actually receive it Based on when the ISS is there and you can get that image. It'll render it out It'll throw it out And then you have it and it matches up exactly with where it is What time they say it's going to be and it also shows what they're saying Oh my gosh, bro Okay, so you don't oh my gosh What do you want rather than that with that? I got a picture I asked you for clarification that people send radio transmissions off the moon and you brought up an anti-flat earth They're on the internet, bro. How come every time i'm doing some actual verification What's it? What's it? What's it? I didn't say he did it. That's it. What's it? I didn't say that I said you did I was talking to him because he was interested in getting my footage. It doesn't he is irrelevant He asked you how you air fight it and I know I'm telling you yes I talked to tune because he was very interested in this as well because He does flatter stuff and he contacted and we discussed it because it's very interesting And it's something that you can reproduce on your own with the correct equipment and it's you know A thing like you could do it. It's not it's not You have to go into a secret nasa bunker. Yes, I'm like take drugs. I'm talking about tune. I don't care No one's done it. Everyone says that anyone can do it. You can go on youtube and see other people that have done it We stand out there Yes, I have I stand out there with my fucking radio and my giant ass antenna on my back And you can hear it come in and then you take that data that came exactly when it was set and come out And I come to this old computer and I run it through what is rts stv And it generates the whole thing and it shows me the picture I got the it's just sound it is transmitted from that. I went out and do a field Grabbed it recorded it on just a normal mp3 player And brought it back to the computer and it shows what it should show like I should show meaning what meaning not a flat earth That doesn't make any sense. You want to do that? What do you mean? Does it make sense? First of all, if you Hold on. I'm going youtube right now Hey gal. Hey gal. Do me a favor. Just try to give what's a little bit more time to respond. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't want to over talk He's sorry. What's it a little bit higher? It's okay A little bit if you could send radio waves to the moon I wouldn't debunk the the flat earth anyway, but uh, because like plasma interacts with radio transmission Right if it was something like that But the truth is that people claim it a lot But did you shoot it away from the moon and see if you got anything back? No Did like yeah, that's a standard standard operation. That's part of the teaching experience everyone's because it has to be very Let's say with the lasers when you shoot a laser at the moon You can shoot at the reflectors or the moon itself The moon has a really shit received But you can actually send data if you hit the reflectors just right and you can get it back With an acceptable range of clarity. It's one phone out of 30 million I'm talking about if you hit the reflectors specifically on the moon you could target it You can not just hit the moon you can move over a little bit And if you're lucky you'll hit the reflectors and in that case you get usable You can send up a data packet and you can receive data that's Somewhat usable which tells you that it came back It's not just some miscellaneous thing that's over and then what you do is you point it away from the moon even a fraction of it and then you shoot it and then I guess aliens find it like 10,000 years later But you don't receive anything back and that is again showing that it's something physical I just googled on youtube iss ss tv. It's all you do and there's like thousands of results The first result is some cop holding a hand radio Officer josh does an iss transit and there you go and he gets the image curiosity. It's iss What so now we're not talking about the moon. We're talking about From from the iss the ss tv. You said I haven't done it myself Yes, I have and also you can go to youtube some dude did it with a bow fang some cheap like $30 radio in his phone Like it's not that something's up in the sky that they call the iss Okay, so I need it. Okay, so it's not just something's in the sky it's This is what nasa says This will be in this spot at this time and it's very precise. I know I'm very precise We're not looking at the iss. I want to make I'm not using a telescope. Okay. That's not what we're doing We go out I go out in the field I have a backpack the giant antenna and I have my radios and we go out there exactly what it says And we get an ss tv signal which sounds like a screeching dog And you get that signal and then you come back and you put it through rx ss tv I think that's what it's called. I haven't used it a long time And it's right there and you it generates using that sound This is how we send images and it takes whatever image they decided to send at the time Sometimes it's a crew member like id cards. Sometimes it's a picture of earth. You can get whatever it's varied It's not standardized to what I know it might be. I don't know But the point is we're not just looking up and saying look there's a thing in the sky We are getting something back from it that we would expect at the same time that we would expect I've tracked it. I know that you can track it and it's where it's supposed to be when it's supposed to be This is the thing you brought up the moon. Then you shoot you subtly shifted it over to the iss I never denied you about much rather talk about the actual subject Which is this is the earth a ball that spins in a vacuum And is the earth surface curving and I asked you about radio transmission plane survey data long distance laser tests Like can we what's it? I don't care about any of that stuff because I don't know about that stuff I know about the satellites that my friends ends up that go around the curve of the earth I know about my radio Well, I don't know That's one. Yes. I am see you say because that's one dude in the military as opposed to a multi-million dollar company That has thousands of clients that do this every day. There's a difference. You can't equate the two those aren't the same thing You're doing it. Your claim is dependent upon me denying you can put stuff up in the sky and I don't deny that I'm not denying you put stuff in the sky You could get a giant suction cup and stick it to the dome. I'm not saying you can't do that on a flatter What I'm saying. I'm not saying that's your point. I'm just saying as an analogy I'm not saying you can't put things in the sky on flatter. That's it I'm telling you it's not just up in the sky. It is a known location and it's getting It's getting the not only the location data, but all of the experience because you can put on whatever experiment you want It's not standardized. It's not You have to do this camera this direction and you can't do it otherwise You can do whatever the hell you want to do as long as it's not a gun and you can put it up into space You can take pictures of whatever the hell you want. You can do any kind of sampling you want I don't think you're allowed to return them to earth yet, but you can eventually I think with the dual manifest Are you spreading misinformation on the internet? What's it? What's it? You can go? I can give you his email right now Or you can go and you can ask him. Hey, I want to send up a cubesat What is the estimated cost and that he will give it to you and you could crowd fund it It's not that you guys bought like it didn't you add like a $20,000 gyres not you Wait you can crowd fund that and send it up yourself. It's cheap talking a lot about something that doesn't prove anything I'm trying to be patient, but like that's it. Listen carefully, man Listen carefully. Listen carefully. You're saying things that aren't true You're saying going into space and then I asked you how high did they go? You said you don't know the truth is that that's specific regulations about how high you can put something up in the sky So you're just saying Through a known corporation that and they have to adhere to the law Yes, but that's why you use them. What's it because how high they go bullshit and I can just I don't care It doesn't matter. It's not If I said if I pay some jackass $10,000 and they take this little satellite with a camera This is a lego harry potter It's what I have on my desk and I shoot that bitch up here And it's circling the god damn earth and it takes a picture It's gonna show what it's gonna show. There's no like There's no arch to it. It takes a picture with his little harry potter glasses and he goes. Wow guys Look at this. I privately paid this other private company to look at the earth and that is what it shows Like you can't go high enough to take a full picture of the earth with a private Weather balloons go high enough to take pictures of the earth. Okay, see what I'm saying You see just for the audience What's it claiming that somehow this proves the earth's a globe and it objectively doesn't and I ask him How high is it? He doesn't care now. He's saying that weather balloons Weather balloons go high enough. They don't okay like according to your model's math You would have to be hundreds of miles in fact according to your model's math You couldn't see the curvature of the earth from the iss which is 255 miles up So I would love to see those numbers milder grass tyson, right? You wouldn't see it Now you guys disagree with milder grass tyson. Yeah, right you disagree with amazing scientific communicator. He's not amazed He's a communicator. Nobody said that I am in a scientific field for real. He has never been mentioned one time He's a guy that stands up He doesn't though. He's a guy that goes up on stage and talks out his ass and he's a jackass I don't care about what he says. He's stupid. He's smart. Just you don't even know the man He's smart. The height is irrelevant If it takes a picture and I see a goddamn ball. It's a ball It doesn't matter if it's 20 feet ever 50,000 feet up If I see a ball when I take a picture of a camera with a camera that does not have a fish eye lens It's a ball. Do you mean it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter if I go from here and take a picture. This is a test tube This will always be a test tube no matter from here or here or here That's weird or here or here it it does not change And you can go on youtube. I think it's called mage or something the mage two thing And they put strings across so you know, it's not warping Yeah Right all about it. And then what what did the show is it? What did the picture show? It shows a video. It's like an hour long Yeah, the strings actually are slightly distorted and the horizon is not in the middle of frame and the camera's angled So the truth of the matter is that you get curvature you get convexity with any lens It doesn't have to be a fisheye lens a rectilinear lens any lens is a circle Okay, that's in fact they imitate the eyes right so you have a circumference of light You have a circumference of vision you have an arc of vision you have imposed convexity of any lens And that's you can prove this by once the balloon goes up and down it changes That's because the angle of view combined with the convexity of the lens Causes like an illusion of convexity for you to say that that somehow proves the ursa ball And i'm talking about physical tangible empirical measurements on the surface that prove it's not one That's insane to me. That doesn't make any sense to me So we're gonna do a litmus test. Do you know what a pinhole camera is? What's it and why that would be important to have on a satellite? I know what I don't know. I know what a pinhole camera is. Okay, so lenses are very sensitive So removing a lens is a massive benefit So that argument you just made is irrelevant because you are using a pinhole camera Which does not my definition does not have a lens to distort anything. That is the point Can you show me pinhole satellite? degraded over Because the lenses just like in the ISS it's actually really interesting to see on some of the old footage The lenses degrade over time including the CMOS sensors in the cameras themselves and they make little snowflakes Which is very interesting and it's very very harsh for computers up there. And so the minimum parts you can use Is what you should use and so when you remove a giant point of failure If you send a thing you spend, you know a ton of money You send up a thing you don't want it to be dead in a few months because it's being hit by radiation all the time And solar isn't all other kinds of bullshit. You want to remove all the parts you can The lens is a very big part and because of that You don't get distortion not that that's what they're testing for you're not just proving flat earth with the satellites But it's just a a side effect. Okay, so what do you see what? What what satellites are you saying goes to space and sees the earth with pinhole cameras? What do you mean what satellites? Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about. I just looked it up in Google doesn't what it's not It's not a mainstream satellite with it. These are personal projects It's not a class satellite. It's an esp a class satellite. It's on a multi distribution center So they put it in a rocket and then they they're basically attached like bricks and you stack them together like this And then they get shoved into a rocket and you shoot it up in a space And then it opens up and they all go and then they're all out in space. It's not it's not like, uh Whatever satellite, I don't know the class names. There's like, uh, japanese one that does weather It's not a a corporation. It's not it doesn't have a class name. It's just like d3 whatever ID they gave it from the company. Okay, so how high is it? How much curvature do you see? Yeah, what's it I can't get out with him. I just had like a Care about you having friends at least stop saying no, no, but what's it it's not having friends It's this is a direct field that is related. We I've gone in this is a thing You can go on my instagram and I have pictures of stuff I know people that have done it that it's a dope thing with it Done what a weird argument done. What have you that have sent up cubes our private satellite and even rockets 60 miles That sounds not I don't care about rockets. What's it? Oh, so rockets with camera 60 miles. Are you talking about that bike lower than that? Hey, are you talking about that question? I can't hear what's it. Um, you just combed on a little bit down, please I said something 60 miles. Are you saying that that wouldn't give me better evidence or lack thereof than something lower than that No, but I don't know why you're talking about Flat earth sending flat earth or set up a rocket that isn't mad mic I was making a point mad like what they did to it then. Oh, well, I guess I was making was I was making a point Keep evoking your friends. I like I don't care Oh, I have a friend that works on satellites that says yours because that's that's not an actual argument That's a fact. What's it? What's it? I'm just bringing up his example. They own a company. You can go to the company right now It's not my friend from the bar told me that he likes to build satellites in his garage in his free time It's here's the company. I can give you their contact details I can give you the product specifications You need to build the satellite to to be able to be viable for launch This is not due to no bar that told me he's super epic. This is again a corporation Dude the whole the whole time we've been talking you've been talking about satellites Okay, and and you don't even know how high it is. You don't know how much of the curvature So can we talk about actual evidence man? Because we have direct observations on the earth where we see mountains from 255 miles away Where the entire mountains just you blocked by curvature and we send radio transmissions thousands of miles We send lasers dozens of miles We tested what are lasers made out of what's it? What are lasers made out of? What are lasers made out of? It starts with an L. It starts with an L. What is it made out of? Why are you changing the subject? What's it? You just said lasers. What are lasers made out of? What are lasers made out of? I get what you're saying. I get your signal right with it Yes, it's it. It's a no fact We understand or understand a fraction. I know way more about it. I don't care what's it I don't need to understand because I know what's it. Okay. I can't hear you guys and you guys are talking at the same time What's it go ahead I don't say I think it sounds like you're ignorant on the position like I get that you think it's refraction But basically what you're saying is and for the audience understand when we see the mountains hundreds of miles away Or when we shoot lasers too far you're saying that the earth acts in just a way Via refraction to give us this huge illusion that makes the globe look exactly like it would if it's flat And then shows us mountains that are obstructed by multiple miles of earth curve Lift some up and makes it look flat where we can see all the mountains. Is that what you believe? No, this doesn't look flat with it. You see the tops of buildings. If it was flat, you would see the building You don't see that you see the tippy part of a thingy at some point sometimes Like that's it in the picture you showed in your intro with it when you see the city You don't see the city. You see the tallest skyscrapers. That is completely consistent. That's not inconsistent You don't curve is supposed to block all of them No, it's refract with it If the earth is flat It's not going to magically just show what we predict on a globe and more over the entire point of science Contrary to what others say here is that you don't have to do everything yourself You write a paper and then people test it and you can build off of that That is how that is the point of science I don't want to have to go back and learn about basic refraction So that magically can make me a headset that projects holograms in my room We understand it obscenely. Well, there's no there's no I don't need to understand it personally to know That these people are using it in a practical way and they disagree with you We don't understand it extremely that I I just said I don't understand it. What's no no the people you're talking about The subject matter experts build photonic lenses that project holograms in my room don't understand it Okay, you do go respond Okay, so the reason that's not the same is because that snails law which is one medium to another lens is a different type of medium Yes, we understand how light interacts with lenses very well That's not the same as a singular medium where we just try to guess I actually we emailed the subject matter expert andrew thomas young san diego state university the subject matter expert for atmospheric refraction He explains we don't understand it. He's like dude. We don't completely understand atmospheric refraction at all whatsoever We have to use a differential of snails law. It's just okay. It has its own problems And we don't really understand what's going on in the atmosphere So that's not the same as someone using refraction with lenses based on one medium to another with a very verifiable Repeatable type of science. I don't deny that we understand refraction from medium to medium You understand on the earth and objectively when we see the mountains hundreds of miles away You have to believe those mountains are completely blocked by earth curve But that the mountains get lifted up in an illusion and look like we can see them from 100 miles away And it makes it look like there's flat because we can see all the way through the shoreline of the mountains That's what you have to believe that's not talking about the person that made the curve calculator That includes refraction disagrees with you says that you're right The person that by the way check out my github liked one of my projects and we talk a little bit Are you really going to make that claim with it? Really, you know, the software's open source just like mine the earth curve calculator That was walter bizlin and andrew thomas young He is the subject matter expert in refraction. Yes. I have a where he admits. We don't know what it is Okay, so stop saying we know it exceedingly. Well, that's it. What's it? I personally do not need to specialize in anything other than the thing that I do here That is the entire point of science When there is thousands and thousands and thousands of people that say that you are wrong that work in fields that include Refraction every single way in light things like the what is it? I don't know where it is. It's some other hologram thing It's a cube and that does use one medium By the way, that's not lenses and that plugs directly to pc is a display We understand this enough to build technology. You can't say it's wrong when we can take it We can take our understanding and make a new thing You can't I don't think you're listening to me. I what what's it? I just said it doesn't use a lens I just said it doesn't use a lens. It uses one medium. There's not two There's no lens the magic leap has lenses. This does not it's a separate thing It has one medium and it's using the fraction Yes, it reflects it cracks the light back and it's a prism But it's one part it goes like this through so you can get a 3d effect through it. That's the entire point Yes, you understand Yes, when we understand these concepts and we can use them to build practical things Some random person on the internet saying nuh-uh is not good enough. That's not what I did What's it? What have you built using this any any any concept of flat earth? What practical thing has anyone ever ever built you nothing There you go 99% of things built doesn't require anything to do with assuming you're so good. What do they have in here? Uses things like gravity gravity doesn't doesn't mean that first of all gravity isn't agreed upon average of going down It is a measured average. It's not okay. It's a measured number. Okay You think that debunks me. Do you know what my position on that is? Well, yes, I've heard you say the same thing like five times intrinsically electrostatic We have a down electrostatic with it first off a lot of the machines I use are obscenely sensitive electrostatics and you would fucking know if it was that Second off Name one what name one piece of machinery that you use that's not electrostatic I'm telling you right now second off. They have a common ground with it. Do you know what that means? I just said all of them. What's it? They're all electrostatic They have a common. Do you know what that means? Do you understand what that concept means round them in like First grade electrical engineering. Do you want to know what it means? Okay, so why would something that's over here get affected by something over here if it's all common ground They're all it get affected. What you're saying it's causing gravity That's what you think gravity is caused by correct. There's a downward electric current on the earth Yeah, yes, and that's what you're saying pulls things down. Correct. It doesn't pull the suit What it pushes it pushes down It pushes down We have a measurable downward electric current So if I was standing this paper is getting a lot of use if I was standing on this Are you saying that it's like raining down on to like push down? I'm just telling you what's provable. You want to talk about I'm trying to I'm trying to understand what you're saying. So if I'm standing on the earth This is your thing right this flutter. You're saying that it's pushing down on me to keep me down Or downward or it's pulling me down No, there's a downward electric current that goes from the sky down to the earth Right, but you're saying that's what gravity is Is everything electric in your model in your model? Are you an electric universe? No, you can't be because that is a globe Well, it doesn't need a globe, but I would say everything's electric. So anyone not claiming it I will say this that in your paradigm of a globe it will shift to a geocentric electric universe Guaranteed 100% but the earth's also not a globe. So sorry, so you'll get there Why'd you bring that up? You'll get there bro. You'll get there bro. I don't care about geocentric electricity You agree that science doesn't care about philosophical bias or religions or anything like that It's just what it's the facts What can we test if we have a hypothesis and the evidence disproves that we throw our hypothesis out You agree science is like antithetical to religion I agree that what you said as an example is like a high school level Of scientific method, but if you're talking about does it use those things? No, it's meant the entire purpose of it is to cut out biases. That's that's why it exists Yes, that's what science is the process of cutting out feelings and emotions and getting the pure information I agree. I agree with you, but that's not what they do when it comes to the earth, bro Like like whenever they discovered that listen, they said gravity is the bending and warping of spacetime That's relativity. So that means this amount of mass makes this much gravitational effect Then they looked at the sky and they saw the galaxies only had three percent of the mass that relativity predicted for the amount of gravity They saw so did they throw their hypothesis out and say the evidence didn't match our prediction? No, because it's a religion. They said, oh, we'll come up with a new idea called dark matter We don't know what it is. You can't see it. It's called dark because we can't observe it But we'll keep our religion together because we don't want the earth to be in the center and to have a special position That's what it is. It's a religion. It's the antithetical This is space. Do you see this? There's something here. You don't know what it is. I don't think you could guess what it is You don't know what it is that doesn't mean there's nothing there Just because you don't know what it is does not mean that we don't know that there's something causing something There is something here that is bending this paper in this shape Right, we know that we're not going to throw out the concept of my room because this shape We don't know what's under this paper. We know relativity is wrong. It made a prediction and it was wrong What's it? Relativity is one of the most tested things we've ever done. Oh my god No, it's not it was it's vital in satellite Again going back to the cube sats. This is like it's taking it. You can't just say uh, uh, actually special See, I know all about this stuff, man, I'm sorry you know, it's the wrong one if we talked for seven hours I would correct you on every part of it special relativity's predictions for satellites didn't work Actually, someone had to come in and fix it with a brand new mathematical construct because special relativity didn't work for satellites I'm gonna talk about special. That's it That's what's used for satellites See what I'm saying and and the point is that dark matter's not a real thing. It's a religion, bro What's it? See if I come up with a theory All right, go ahead Think about if I come up with a theory and then I go find some evidence and it contradicts my theory Dude, I have to throw my theory out. Okay, that's science The evidence doesn't care what you think or about your feelings or your opinions or what everyone else thinks Or we'd have to go back so much science is just what the facts are When we went look to the facts it debunked our claim of relativity It debunked what we thought the universe was and that was over a cinch. That was a century ago 1933 So just under 100 years and they still don't know what it is still can't define it But they instead of thinking maybe relativity is wrong. Maybe our assumption about the universe is wrong They keep their religion of the Copernican principle and then they just make stuff up and that is not science, bro Do you understand how your truck works at a very basic level? Sure, like a car. Okay. Do you understand it from a complex level? Could if I gave you a bunch of scrap metal Could you build a working Ford? Probably not I it doesn't matter if you can't because when you sit your ass in your truck or whatever you have It'll go it doesn't matter if you're brain dead or a dog or a chicken hitting the gas pedal It's gonna go forward. The understanding is irrelevant to the concepts that work I don't care about the philosophical. I don't care about that The point is when you can demonstrate it practically using technology. It does not matter You can't demonstrate The bending and warping up space and time you can't demonstrate length contraction that all objects and matter are contracting in motion You can't demonstrate these things. It's a theory. It's a philosophy. What's it? What's it, please? I'm sorry. Can you measure with contraction? You know what that is? Depending on your reference frame with it. This is like. Oh, no This is what no depending on your reference frame with I just I didn't say no I said depending on your reference, right? Who's measured is this This is like base. This is like Googleable. I don't know why you're bringing this up. This is like I could open it and google it. This is not I don't have to google it, dude. I I'm telling you. I don't google your religion. What's it read the leaders of your religion? I don't need to google anything. That's not what I said It's not what I said. Look, I read your religion, dude. I don't google it and read mainstream articles I read the the leaders of it. Okay. What is wait? Hold up that other one The first the second one you should read this book. Yeah, that one. What is that? You should read. Oh god. I thought that said ken. I'm sorry I was going to have to yell at you for having a kenwheeler book Jesus no, his books are free anyway. You should also read this one Do what? The mod The moderator guy said something. What did he say that we have a few more seconds left. Go ahead and wrap it up Oh, well, I think that I I think I would have a beer with you or something man Like I don't dislike your thing I'm saying is I think you would be surprised that it's not as scientific as you think and maybe you're letting people Make philosophical decisions for you. And if you were in a cult of philosophy, you would probably not want to just blindly believe it I don't think so. You know looking through it or don't man What do you mean philosophical? I did that the earth can't be special or unique and it has to be like in this random position That's a philosophy But if we're this tiny little ball in this massive galaxy and we're the ones that have life That is a billion times more amazing than a shit flat earth. That's a tiny little like aquarium Like as god, I would do something that's amazing and giant that we can explore for the end of time as humans As opposed to making a tiny little like snow globe What if the earth is so big that you could have to explore for the end of time? Are you talking about like extra land? Yeah And there is extra land. That's what all the other people say. What's up? Look at there man. That's what you say or that's what the other people say That's what people do all of history said until the last hundred years Well, yeah, because we didn't have like, you know good maps We had you mean government telling us that we had like sea monsters drawn on our old pictures Like that's not a real thing. We have the kraken den over here that you can't go by That's not scientific. That doesn't mean there's a kraken to the government's hiding the kraken Like that's okay. You know now we have a circle that that says you can't leave your circle like the hunger games And the slaves are arguing with the other slaves saying there's no circle That was a pretty good analogy to give you that one. It was pretty good Nice you guys ready for the q&a now Yeah, go go for it. Yeah, I do I do have to like use the bathroom. Is there any way I can get like a minute? I'm sorry, or we I'm gonna hold a little bit. Maybe when he gets a question I'll dip off I think it's like 30 minutes. So it's not If you if you want to go ahead, I'll just make some announcements real quick and do the uh The ad okay. Thank you. I'm sorry man. 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Um, yeah, somebody just pointed out that there is no link for you in the description So now that is fixed ladies and gentlemen So now there should be a link there if you, uh, refresh it you should be able to see it there now Um And what's it is back awesome. So we will go ahead and get into the q and a um Just so you it's fair. Uh, what's it? Do you want to just tell people real quick? What's on your channel? Uh Whatever youtube allows. No, we talk about all kinds of stuff We don't just talk about the earth we talk about a bunch of a bunch of topics So it's pretty cool. We have a school in the globers session. So maybe some The school in the color and about their belief and decide if you think it's true, but yeah, we talk about a bunch of uh urban subjects Awesome, excellent. Okay. So i'm putting uh 35 minutes on the clock and we'll go ahead and kick it to the question and answer section So the first question comes in from kango 44 for 50 bucks new zealand. They say what's it? New zealand is 1600 kilometers across In it's in full sunlight two hours before sydney australia Auckland, new zealand is 2000 kilometers from sydney So sunlight stops 400 kilometers short of sydney for a couple of hours. Why? Because uh, actually the sun appears to be like i know you guys can get triggered It appears to be like a projection. We took the azimuthal and declination readings from a longitudinal uh position all around the earth um For an entire year and we mapped it out on a flat projection and it works perfectly as a toroid So it seems to be like a position relative to the observer in the tourist field And you can also take a container put a light over top of it and it covers a certain amount of the earth And also i don't claim a map if they if they did hypothetically lie about the earth it would be Ignorant to think we have like a perfect map that doesn't even make sense. So Got it. Thank you so much Next question coming in once again from kango 44 for 10 bucks new zealand. They say Sony announced the launch of a project called star sphere Which allows users to rent a satellite camera in space to take photos of the earth freely Yeah, that's why i get the claim. Yeah, yeah, i'm pretty sure samsung also had satellites in space that crash and were actually connected to balloons But i mean even if they send something up in the sky, I don't dispute that that you could use like solar powered Drones that can stay in the sky for a long period of time. I don't dispute that you can send things into the sky Um, and I don't believe any type of pictures that have imposed convexity, right? We can test the surface of the earth here. So It's a misnomer that I deny that flatter. There's deny you can put stuff in the sky We don't believe any claim about going out into a vacuum thousands and thousands of miles away, which is why I continually asked The height they go but Got it from ozian talks for five dollars. They say why do surveys only work when up to 100 miles? I'm sorry. Why do surveys only work up to 100 miles according to your evidence? What is your uh i v and dv to demonstrate It is an accurate measurement Yeah So that's independent and dependent variable. Um measurement isn't science math is a description science is an explanation of a cause and effect relationship Measurements are not independent and dependent variable related at all. But uh, yeah, we take a vertical plum We establish a local horizontal So the perpendicular to the plane and we take measurements And then of course assuming the earth's a globe as you increase distances, you're going to have to make like assumed Corrections. Um, so they they any practical use case you're going to measure in small increments So for 100 square miles, that's plenty for engineering Which is why all real life engineering where people's lives are at stake It uses plane survey. We take physical measurements of the earth as a plane in order to do engineering. Which is the point Got it and the next question Coming in from kango 44. Once again from 50 bucks new zealand. They say what's it? Given you have no formal education in math physics geology surveying engineering optics computer graphics, etc Someone could tell you pretty much anything and you could believe it. So why why anyone would listen to you? I covered that in my opener my bro. Do you spend 50 bucks to say that? That's called a credentials fallacy the credentials fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone dismisses an argument by stating That whoever made it doesn't have proper credentials So their argument must be wrong or one unimportant, right? Nicola tesla dropped out of college and literally changed all the logical field theory for You know the remaining history of mankind So it doesn't really matter what my credentials are it matters what the actual substantive argument presented is and what the empirical evidence states Um, and then you add homie in there as well saying I would just believe anything. That's not true I don't believe in fairy tales about how there are an infinite amount of planets and galaxies in the ever-expanding universe of nothingness So I don't I don't just believe anything. I actually need empirical evidence Ironically you believe anything Got it. Thank you so much and then from alan bow pray for five dollars canadian. They say what's it? How can the flat earth be falsified? uh Physical measurements of tangible earth curvature if you could physically prove an actual tangible earth curvature This whole debate would be over you could physically tangibly verify the radius value, but you can't which is a problem as you're making that positive claim so Got it. Uh, do you want to just say anything about that one since we don't have any questions for you coming in? Uh, yeah, I'll take the next one. I have to go somebody at the front of the house I'll be right back like 30 seconds. Oh, okay. Now you guys just keep doing questions. I'll be right back To say stuff on the side after he's done I'll be right back One comment. Okay. Um, all right, Austin one more for you from malavia for two dollars They say austin showing again how remedial uh, his understanding is I'm just to add on The truth is man, let's be real. I understand what glow better than 99 of people that believe in it So like we don't have to lie. It makes it weird And then from all right kerington for All right, welcome back Zach kerington for 499 they say wits it stop cherry picking ken wheeler in einstein neither support your position You are using the principles of science to try to debunk science Okay, cherry picking means if you read it in context It would refute the position that I invoke and that's not what happens at all And I invoke einstein to actually elucidate the ignorance of the people that defend the globe Right, they don't have a justified belief. They believe the earth is this glow model But they don't know what it is. They don't even understand it It's like someone's telling the bible's true, but they've never read genesis. It's just a weird religion It's a cult. So I bring up einstein just to show what the religion actually says like what the belief is Which is that you can never prove the earth is or bring the sun from the earth It's just a belief that we have it's philosophical blah blah blah Like that's the only reason einstein's brought up is to correct the misnomers regarding the glow model. So All right, del, do you want to just take a quick second to respond to that one? Uh, I mean, I don't know if cherry picking is a good word, but maybe selectively I just cherry picking apply dishonest. Is that like deliberately lying? Yeah, pretty much like your intention. I don't know about that. I I heard somebody call you a con man too. I don't know about that. I think it's more just I don't see misunderstanding. Maybe maybe stupidity over ignorance or over malice I don't think you're like deliberately trying to do anything sketchy at least for maybe I'm wrong Maybe you don't think the earth is flat and you're just scamming people. I don't know But I don't think that I think you're generally just Kind of off on the side somewhere. You know, it would be a very profitable market plan. Would it probably Does that awesome just have the quick last word and then we'll move on to the next one. Austin Do you have anything else to say about that? No, I mean, obviously I I went and tested the earth and I know it sounds crazy to even dare question it, but I went and tested it myself and Yeah, they lied about the earth. I mean, you know, it's not for everyone flatters not for everyone. So All right, uh from mark reed for five dollars american, I believe amazing or maybe australian. Sorry Amazing work on the debate del you showed austin. He had no idea what he's talking about Would love to see a chance see a channel and see more of your debates Yeah, I have a fan out there. I have one from modern a debate uh mirrored on my channel and then one I don't know if it's flat earth related. It was with some weird Schmo, his name was like smo and he was some religious guy that was talking about flat earth and he was trying to use it to justify his geocentrism that was also like Heaven Here it was very odd. So if you want to get like high and watch something funny, that's what you should do I might think debunking content of people actually are interested in that But it's it's fun. I enjoy it. It's a good time Awesome from dario, uh durick for five dollars. I say all the proof that globes have is math and theoretical Do you have physical evidence of a globe not just CGI pictures from nasa? well, yeah, because you know Cube sats that i've done the iss thing that i personally did out in the field in the cold Uh I mean, I don't know what else you want besides like literally showing it and then also verifying that a space station is there But other than that no, I have no physical proof. That's not from nasa besides those things that are not from nasa Got it. Thank you so much and then from chainsaw cat for ten dollars. They say del you should throw in the towel You are out of your league. I do have a towel somewhere But it's covered in alcohol from washing my board Rubbing out from not like those From red cred for five dollars. They say what do you think the actual reason for the world's governments lying about earth the flat earth Why would they lie and what do what do they seek to gain by it on his question? Why why did the government lie about there being weapons of mass destruction in the middle east? Like asking me why the government's lie is insane. In fact, I would ask you. Why would you believe that? nasa's the one federal governmental agency that doesn't lie Well, yeah, there's all kinds of motivations of lie. Like I said, if you've ever seen the hunger games There's something called a 60th south latitude. They drew a circle around you private free exploration beyond that is literally illegal They have to give you permission to do it So in the scenario that there was extra land and they don't let you leave it I don't see how you would have put that together and then they always say you can go But you actually objectively can't go there without their permission. So that's one of the reasons there are many reasons I mean, this is one of the things look i'm gonna say it's real fast But say that I discovered that my parents adopted me right and then I go up to my friend I say look dude turns out my whole life to lie my parents adopted me right and and you're like wait, that's crazy Let me see the evidence. I show it and you say well, who are your real parents and I say I don't know and the person responds Oh, well until you know your real parents are I don't believe you're adopted That would be really weird and then if you say well, why'd your parents lie to you and say they you weren't adopted That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter So that's my long way of explaining with a rudimentary analogy that that's kind of independent of if they did lie or not But uh, yeah, it's your own journey, man All right, got it from uh Chainsaw cat I'm sorry. No from sunflower for five dollars to say del sacred geometry or not The flower of life is just a geometric pattern of overlapping circles of an equal radius in 2d space. Why is that funny? The flower of life is what what is it is it Does it have some kind of like because you're calling it sacred geometry. Is it some kind of spiritual thing? Like when I go into to Matt I'm asking you actually what's it like I am wondering like this like this Balanced geometry that seemed throughout all is it called sacred just because it's like really perfect There's a type of kind of a spiritual. Okay, so it's not literally God's sacred like a god. No, okay, because I when you said that I was like, what the hell are you talking about? But yeah, no, I get you you're good But yeah, I guess it's funny because I thought it had to do with like It's sacred god or something math. I don't know. It's a funny word. Oh, there's some uh overlap here That happened, okay From kango 44 for 10 bucks new zeal and they say what's it they think that your knowledge is poor Delco has actually done stuff and it easily debunks your rubbish Your only response is that people who do stuff are lying I didn't say anyone lied though. So wow. You know what's weird is that you just lied That's what's weird. You watch the debate and then you lied about what happened like actually do stuff Yeah, I actually do stuff I take multiple time laps at the start shells over the ocean and they never intersect with the marine horizon Which they showed if the earth's a ball I actually take long distance observations We've done laser tests. We actually do actual testing of the surface of the earth Everyone that believes a globe does nothing that's off behind the keyboard So it's easy to conform to consensus and what's popular is not true and what's true is not popular So that's not really my my problem. I don't have a problem with him I don't have a problem with I know he believes that his friends in satellites a space But he's never thought the question how high do they go and what are the limits and what do the government Allow you to do and how how long are they up there etc etc? So it's like Yeah, I mean, you know believe what you want to believe man. Just understand that you're in a belief system Okay, uh Just one second. Just checking to make sure I have all the questions In line. Okay, great. Um Halfway crook for five dollars. They say a guy in the field explains in detail to witsit and he just denies it One army guy says. Yeah, it's flat witsit believes him Why what would convince him none? I specifically said that I don't bring up my friends in the military Which I know multiple or my friends that are pilots or the astrophysicists and former astronomers and aerospace engineers That work on satellites that say there's but I don't bring these people up Because what other people think or the fact that they have some credentials doesn't actually substantiate the position That's an fallacious argument. That's the reason I brought it up and when you say he explained it in detail He didn't even know the height that these things supposedly go and then he went to set It went to space Which of course they claim is the karmine line, which is 60 miles 100 kilometers 62 miles Which is an arbitrary determination not even all countries agree. So what is space? How high did it go? What did they see these were important first first base questions if you're going to say it proves you're a ball so I mean, I guess you should rewatch the debate all right Um and moving on the next question from toby walker for 20 dollars. They say del Why does the magnetic field from the theoretical convection currents in your geodynamo geodynamo geodynamo Not aligned with your proposed rotational axis axis. Sorry Let me start. Why does it not align? Yeah, let me let me start over because I have no idea If it was fake, they wouldn't make it up to be inconsistent. That would be stupid Yes, why should not with your proposed rotational axis But also not provide a consistent field and not shift on schedule as theorized Well, I guess you should google that or ask somebody who knows because If it was fake and a conspiracy, they wouldn't make it inconsistency to where people would go. Hmm. Why is this obvious thing obvious? That would be stupid as a conspirator So that's dumb. Well, I mean it was it if you're trying to hide something You're not going to deliberately add these giant plot holes into your things so the people like They're trying to explain real evidence like that, you know, I know but do we have real evidence? Was it just because I don't know about a specific topic. I've already given you first off It's hot and stuff in my field. I don't venture into other fields because I'm not an expert in that and I'm perfectly happy to say that He's asking you a question that according to like the top levels of your own paradigm isn't known so to be fair My answer is I don't care Okay, because it's not relevant because it's first off. I'm sure it's figured out second off It's not relevant because if it was fake you would make it a consistent story No, you have to use real evidence. That's why they can't make it fake dude. My gosh They have to use real life evidence on the surface saying that they took real measurements and they tried to like bend it into a ball Is that what your point is? Yeah, yeah, or that they made up the entire thing and then it's we can measure the Earth's magnetic field on the surface So they have to try to make it work with their dynamo model They can't just lie about the magnetic data you and I can go take take that data All right, let's let's let's have the last word on that because I believe that question was for him So let's go ahead and move on to the next question um For mark read for five dollars they say show the measurements you have done to measure the downward electromagnetic force You claim exists in how you have performed experiments to prove it I never claimed that I performed experiments to prove it But you can just look at the richer fine and lectures on atmospheric electricity. It's well known You can use many different things to measure the downward electric current of the earth. It's very weak I think it's like one micro micro amp per square meter or something like that But uh, yeah, it's it's just objectively there. There's a downward electric current on the earth. You can measure it Um, so you should just look up your own paradigm like, you know, Richard Feynman atmospheric electricity lectures They explain it pretty well and that would create a downward bias, you know, that's all that I'm saying all I'm doing is acknowledging What is provably there? Okay, got it then from flat earth nation, I believe fv nation for five dollars I say question for del you said scientific facts show one experiment with water sticking to the outside of a spinning ball Well, first off fact as in colloquial as in it's ridiculous to debunk or like, you know It's not literally a fact. You never prove things. You want to keep things open. That's the entire point Right. That's why Einstein got famous. It's not from control. That's okay. So Why would labs pay people to repeatedly confirm the same things over and over again? I don't get why people think that the whole entire point is to learn something new and to break what we already understand That's that's the point of science is to move forward and just like what's it said It doesn't matter about feelings. It doesn't matter how sacred our globe or whatever if we present it with real evidence It would change right because feelings don't matter. The problem is there is no real evidence There were 10,000 mile transmissions Well, what's it? We aren't even over that you ignored it. Okay. I explained it. I told you two ways to do it I didn't think I gave you two examples. All right, bro being done No All right What else do you want? You got it Okay, uh from dario, uh jerk for uh five dollars. I say del Del I do robotics and automation and I can certainly say that it doesn't require me to believe that the earth is a globe you like Well, no, that's called the I'll say grease monkeys. Um, there's a difference between Taking some pre-installed selection from kuka and installing it into a building and actually developing like An in part or an embedded system that utilizes things on like two micron levels to where gravity and other things do become an issue um And also I'd be intrigued because that's saying robotics and automation is fairly general and I questioning that Because that is a core value in everything including the autonomous inertial compensation that I work on for bipeds Which requires gravity and not just down. So if those things are walking It ain't flat and they're walking. So there's your answer I'm not concerned with people what they say that they get one of the pre-made cells from kuka And they go in and install it or they go and update the firmware. That's Not That's not good a good expert in the field. I'll say that All right from earth's first space later for five dollars they say austin can explain why a Selene lion selenillion selenillion debunks of all earth That's not because there's a e maybe it's selen selenillion Selenillion selenillion selenillion selenillion selenillion. It's a certain type of eclipse Got okay got um Should we move on? Well, it's the what was the question was it for him or for me probably for you You disappeared. Hello. He's asking you here. How does the selenillion ellipse work? Oh, he's here Did it just okay? Can you hear me? What's it? I can hear you and I think things just fell All right, so I have no idea and again. I really don't care Oh Do you would you want to know if the model of the earth was wrong? Well, yeah, I'm interested with it. I'm not gonna Come up and take my free time on a what is it a thursday if I on six o'clock started at four Welcome back starting at four if I didn't like Care I obviously have effort put in but the point being I just look it up right now Oh, look at that. They even have little graphics That's the thing with these questions about glow birth You can just there's like a billion pictures that explain it as a diagram right here You're lying believing what you googled in front of the entire audience Yes, what's it because it's not my field of expertise and I already provided you multiple examples in my field that show that the earth is a ball This is a secondary question even a tertiary question That's some random person's asking and it's not my field of expertise So what I did is I went on here and I looked at these cool pictures And they're all the same from different sources. So if that tells us Yes, what that tells us is that if multiple people multiple companies are coming up with the same answer That's probably the correct answer And they claim that even though the sun and the moon are up in the sky during the eclipse at the same time That it's actually an illusion And when we see the sun during the eclipse in the sky at the same time as the moons in the sky Actually, the sun isn't there. It just looks like well, yeah, I have a picture right here. What's it? I have a diagram I've seen the diagram it shows a straight line with curved lines below the globe and it says it lifts up optically It's refraction. It's an illusion We leave the atmosphere affects light making the sudden moon appear higher in the sky And we know refraction exists in the atmosphere So move the entire sun Let's let us have the last word on that and then let's move on go ahead Well, they claim that the refraction moves the entire sun So basically what that means is when you see a sunset according to these guys, you don't actually see the sunset It's already down below the earth. It just looks like it's setting You never actually see the real position of the sun. It just is always an illusion every single time you've ever seen the sun It's not really where you see it. It's always being refracted as that's what they claim and that to me That's just insane bro. Like I don't I don't just believe whatever I need to to keep a model alive. So, you know, teach their own Okay from Shawnee or swanee. Sorry for five dollars to say what's it? Is it possible for the earth to be so large that you can't see the curve? You claim it's flat, but it could be just so big you see no curve Oh, yeah, the radius would have to be like over a quarter million miles based on some of the observations We have but that doesn't work though because the radius value has to be correct for like the stuff He's claiming like orbital trajectories of satellites the radius of orbit of a satellite for the gravity to be what it Supposedly is for the day night cycle for the seasons for the distances from relative planets, blah, blah, blah You could go all day all of it depends on the radius value So if that number is wrong the entire model's wrong You couldn't just say it could be a bigger ball. It can't be The whole model's wrong if that number's wrong. So Yeah, that's why we falsify the r value and that's why the government censors it and that's why a proper platter society that misrepresents what we actually say, you know, so I mean Those are all maneuvers those guys are oh stupid. I'm sorry. Why would they do that though? Why would they promote like a fake story with it because they I think they get paid Okay, so on shills. They're definitely because they get a lot Because why would they lie about what we say, but they don't get I'm not talking about I get censored, but they don't get specifically them Are you talking is that the group with mark sergeant and all them supposedly mark sergeant? Yeah, but I'm saying yeah He's a corporate plant for advertising. So that's what I'm asking you Why do you think that I get censored but flatter society doesn't get censored because he's a corporate plant that's used for advertising And you're a person talking on youtube Why would they not why would they promote flatter society that says that we think we're a disc Accelerating up because he's used to the marketing strategy mark sergeant I'm making a legitimate point. Yes. I actually have a valid argument Mark sergeant isn't a real flat earther. He's a person that they use for marketing Which is why he appears in commercials and so he gets pushed up It's not I think if you're true or not, but that's why he's not censored. It's just he's Literally a marketing tool And I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about the flatter society I thought that's what that was is the whole the whole meme of we have members all around the globes and that what they put out Yeah, I thought that was mark and his buddy It's pretty why would you make flat earth look stupid if it just really was stupid Wouldn't you just let like me just excel to the algorithms and everyone laugh at me? Well, no, because if sony came up to you or whatever that company that does ads with him came up to you and said Do you want to make a mockery of yourself online for money? You probably would say no But he's done that like he's been has where they're like stupid Right, wouldn't you just let a flat earthers be? Huh? I'm just all I'm saying is if flat earth was really stupid You would let the flat earth or the real flat earthers and what they really think you'd let everyone see it and laugh at it And see how stupid it is, but I am heavily centered bro Like it's a laughing like it's a joke that how I'm centered. I am and it doesn't really make sense I mean we've seen the government likes to censor like censor things that are true I'm not saying that proves it's true, but it's just weird. It's weird that flatter's propped up Via flatter society, but I'm like heavily censored. I think that's weird personally, but Whatever, okay next question from shane cup for 499. They say why are there? Why are there no real pictures of satellites? Why are they all CGI? Could it be that they don't really exist? What do you mean like in space? Or just in general I'll do both I guess uh for in space because Sending up a second satellite to take a picture of a satellite Just to take a picture of a satellite is the stupid idea and that's really dumb And the second thing is I have seen them and I know a person that owns a company that makes them And I've seen them go away from me into a rocket and then leave that rocket and then get data back that I'm expecting from space so There I guess that's both answers both questions answered on that one Got it from shylo carpenter for five dollars They say here's to buy a book about your religion so you can debate it However, what is your biggest belief and what is your biggest belief that you live on a ball other than satellites? My big like the best argument Yes, let's go with that. Okay, uh, my best argument for living on a globe um I mean the pictures Even though, you know, like how many I don't know how many people you could just google average american amount of people who are photo forensic experts and then Cross that with how many of them say that the earth or all the pictures of earth are fake and it's Fairly minimal. So that alone is enough to say well The pictures are probably real and then of course we could take pictures of the moon landing site from earth independently I mean I can keep going if you want. It's all practical. It's all stuff You can do yourself if you are that dedicated Missing is fewer you yourself Can do these things All right from j for 499 they say why don't you conduct the experiment described by t-jump? Using a ham radio to measure the distance to the moon and verify the earth is round If you think that sending a ham radio signal to the moon verifies that the earth is round You don't have any business talking publicly in this conversation, bro Okay Secondly, you'd have to assume the duration of time is actually within a medium and assume vacuum of space because you actually have to Take the duration of time with the signal on the propagation rate to actually get the distance Blah blah blah, which you just assume and beg the question of the vacuum of space And even if you did send the signal to the moon again, how would that prove the earth's a ball? That's absolutely insane Secondly, you would actually have to leave the moon because the earth will be spinning underneath it Which they don't do So what a what a cool story in 2.8 seconds or 2.4 seconds the earth was spin underneath the ball the moon And it would always be relative to the time of year that you did it and none of that's taken to account So it's just a whole bunch of uh cool story, bro All right, and the next question coming in from harry chair stepper for five dollars. I say for witson How can you go on about the science being a religion and then proceed to make up and believe your own baseless claims I Don't just blindly believe anything. So that's actually the point that you don't get the only part that I I blindly believe is I'm like I I'd hear just some spirituality like I know that there's a creator And I've any go evidence for and I know that's necessary to see the creation as a creator and no one could debate me on creationism But like I like when it comes to science, I don't make up stuff I said there's a measurable downward electric current on the earth the father has electrical field theory So there's electromagnetic background that sustains electromagnetic energy called the ethers the one way that it could work I know that the current science doesn't understand light doesn't understand quantum doesn't understand the cosmological scale There's tons of holes and I don't believe stories from other people that have philosophical bias That's I don't I'd suspend belief science is the opposite of that So whenever you ask me to you ask me to speculate about like the earth or the sky and stuff like that Where I can't independently verify it Then I speculate to turn around and be like you're making definitive claims. No, I'm not I admit what speculation That's the difference you guys claim that the belief you have is actual science when it requires blind faith And that's why you're being corrected because you have a religion and you call it science. That's the problem All right How much time do we have left here five minutes? Okay guys We have more questions than we have minutes left in this quick question and answer So if you send any more Superchats from here on out, I'm just giving you a fair warning that there's a very good chance that it will not be read But do my best if they come to the after a show I will try to take any questions that were not super chats with me Anyways the next question coming in from sky scion for 4.99 They say dels only proof of physical evidence is a light in the sky aka the international space station yikes If the earth was a globe you could list way more than that bro I Did what was that again? My only evidence was what a light in the sky light in the sky. There's the iss I know actually first off. I didn't talk about viewing the iss. I talked about getting data from it myself When it's supposed to be there. I didn't look at it. I don't have any telescopes. So that's incorrect second off Like everything else I brought up including the pictures at the satellites that are again That I did myself. This is like a college thing It's not like I don't know. It's not classified. It's college kids Doing stuff for fun experiments to learn things. It's like What else do you want? Here's pictures. Here's data that I received From space to this at the exact time. I expected like there you go It's not just I saw a light in the sky and that must mean that everything's real. That's not even close That's it. I think that's a dishonest question. I don't I don't believe that's an honest inquiry Okay, from earth is life for 20 dollars They say how does a flight from dallas to south korea and a flight from johannisburg to sydney Take the same amount of time yet on a flat earth. They are vastly different distances Yeah, the other flight the second flight actually flies in jet streams Which can add up to three to three hundred to four hundred miles per hour to the plane So if you fly 900 miles per hour ground speed even though your airspeed is 500 miles per hour To their static air pressure around the plane you would go significantly farther, wouldn't you? So also don't make map claims anyway, but uh, yeah, they fly with jet streams All right, and then from sky sion once again for 499 they say del saying wits it like he's talking down to him Yet, it's obvious he barely knows about the globe and does not know how to debate the law with logic yikes So presenting physical practical things that you yourself could do in your own home or pay to do isn't Like proof also. I don't what's it was I saying your name in a bad way? I'm sorry if it came off like that like Yeah, was I yeah, I don't know. Was I saying your name incorrect? I don't know what that part is The tone of your voice, bro I don't know what the hell that part's about but uh, yeah, so there's that I guess that's the answer I think you are a little overly cocky about this, but it's okay. I I understand why so it's all good I don't think you're I think compared to other people that debate this you're like significantly cooler Well, I try and not assume that you're deliberately malicious I might be wrong, but that's what I start off with until shown otherwise You'll get there man. You'll be a flatter. They're one name. Maybe I don't know about that But I'm fine with saying that you're a genuine person for now You'll get there, bro. All right next question from mark reid for five dollars. They say, uh five minute war Five minute worked in quantum gravity. So why do you appeal to an authority that disagrees with you and says the opposite? What first? Okay, dude, that's called an all or nothing fallacy It's like if you invoke this guy, you have to believe everything he said or you can't invoke him That's so stupid, dude. That's so stupid Okay, if I invoke a hostile witness says to correct you people because you don't know what you're talking about And it's not Richard Feynman that says there's atmospheric electricity. It's objective. You can go out and measure it yourself It's well known improvable. There's a downward electric current from the sky to the earth There's nothing to do with Feynman and yeah, Feynman actually is gives a blunt He's like the truth is that people in this realm the anti-flat earth realm they lie a lot But the actual physicists they're very blunt. They're like, oh, we don't know anything about quantum Anyone that claims they understand quantum is lying or stupid like, oh, yeah We have a huge gap the burning theory could be wrong of the earth could be the center But then you come in these circles and they're like, no, it's definitely a fact We're a ball that flies through space and nothing this so Yeah, that's whatever bro. I brought him up to make the point that like you guys are In a cult of scientism and you're like, oh the scientists say this So I give you your little leaders correcting you to save time. It's called a hostile witness All right, thank you so much. Uh, we do have eight questions left on the list guys I'm trying to go through them as fast as I can. Um, The next question is from nick for five dollars. They say for both What if you broke a body of water up into indefinite? infinitely small pieces and measured them all What would we see? Nothing because if you divided them infinitely you would never get a chance to measure them If you mean break them down to the point of where they're an atom you would see an atom I do you have an answer for that with it? I don't If you broke it down infinitely small You would see nothing because it's infinite So you would never reach the point where you're gonna start measuring I don't know. There's a water always find this level. I don't know what he's asking I don't get I don't get the infinitely small part. I don't know what that Implies a contradiction in terms to be honest. So All right from earth is life for ten dollars to say wits it is there refraction in the black swan image Fraction is actually technically uh light from one medium to another. So Technically smells refraction. No smells a lot of fraction But uh, sure there's always refractive effects in the atmos. Yeah, but actually when it's clearer You can see further the globe claims when it's clear and we see further. There's more refraction. So to me that's just another religious stance All right, and then from run boston bear for 1999 to say austin. Thanks for staying patient Keep pushing back that the heliocentric deception It's time that It's time that spells gets shattered del. Thanks for playing look into this stuff if you care about the truth Thanks mdd Is that a question for me technically? Well, I guess I have looked into it Uh, because you know again, I I know it's getting repetitive at this point, but uh, you know pictures satellite personally done Oh, there we go. Neutrino detectors is also something that's a new college project That's actually very fun and you can actually draw out the shape of the sun From through the other side of the earth Using neutrinos very interesting and this is also something that you could build in your own home for like, what is it? I think it's around four thousand to seven thousand dollars, which is fairly cheap for such sensitive equipment. It's a It's an old CERN project that they open sourced. It's very interesting If you're interested for real doing real practical things and really actually learning Go build that Assume the sphere. Well, you're not assuming it. You could you so you have the detector. Whoa I wasn't trying to yeah, you're probably right. All right. Well, you could drop it through the earth Yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay From Shawnee for ten dollars. They say I accept your idea that the globe earth is wrong I might not believe you but I will accept it But why would you say flat earth is correct if you can't prove it's not just so large you can't see the curve Well, if the default position based on all empirical evidence that the earth is flat and stationary That's how we fly planes and how we use military equipment how we use electromagnetic propagation and how we use radio transmissions And how we measure the surface of the earth and then we know where you have a magnetic field Which always has a block domain wall or an inertial plane There's always a plane through the magnetic field Then the default position based on all empirical evidence including water finding its level and we use sea level to get elevations Is that the earth's a plane? So that's the default position using Occam's razor that which assumes the least Has the least amount of assumptions. So that's the default position geocentric stationary plane earth And yeah, the globe earth model is prudently wrong. We tested the radius value. I mean a bunch of people believe it that doesn't make it real All right From gibral ntp for two dollars canadian a question. How many people have been in space in percentages? Uh, like I think they say like less than 25 people have ever been past low earth orbit in all of mankind's history That sounds fairly incorrect. Alexa, how many people have been past low earth orbit? Um I don't think that's correct. Alexa stop. We're not going to get into that. Yeah, dude It's past low earth orbit. It doesn't count. We learned that five million people pass through airport security every year It's just the Apollo missions, bro. That's the only people that I've ever claimed to go past low earth orbit So it's like 24 people or something I think I made that one out of order. Yes. Okay. Um Repeats below I'm not sure what you mean there now Finally, yeah, I did read that one. Okay. Um Yeah, read that one read that one from samir far saying for five dollars They say in order to communicate with spacecrafts 24 7 nasa uses a network of three antennas placed in different parts of the earth Why need three on a flat earth? Are you serious you're you're asking me why nasa Using spacecrafts would do something if the earth's flat dude I don't believe the governmental agency Founded by nazis that lie about the the international temperature recordings and doctored You know dad all the way back to the fifties. I don't believe their stories. Go look at china space agencies Footage is provably fake. It's the stupidest cartoons. I've ever seen we've kept nasa lying all the time They glitch out all the time I don't believe nasa bro And you think nasa is the only governmental agency that doesn't lie to us bro That's super sus to me. So You know, you can't come to me like with nasa stories and ask me to explain them. That's that's ridiculous All right, excellent. So that is all the questions that we've come to the end of the list So I will take the other questions to the after show ladies and gentlemen if you want to come and hang out with me And hopefully one of the debaters will come and join me as well That'll be an open mic that will be joining starting about 10 minutes after we end here Other than that, uh, both of my guests are linked to the description below. So please check them out Please do that now if you have a chance I want to say thank you to james for creating this platform the moderators in the chat for keeping the Conversation elevated everybody in the audience who sent in super chats and questions and we're civil Just want to say once again. Thank you to the debaters who are the lifeblood of the show Thank you both so much for being here And yeah, it's fun. Go ahead. Sorry. 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