 Let me just count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yes, we have a quorum. Good morning, everyone, seeing that we have a quorum of the elementary school building committee and that is the meeting that we're in today. I want to make sure that everyone can hear and be heard. And just before we started the recording, I told, I told the members who were on that we're going to try to be very efficient with time because several people have to leave before 10 for an event that's happening on the town commons. So, Mike, I'm just going to call out names as I hear, see them to make sure you can see and be heard. Jonathan. Good morning. Hello. Hi, Paul. Present. Ben. John. Here. Simone. Here. And as others join us, I will make sure we recognize them. So I'm going to turn it over. I don't see Margaret action. Oh, there's Margaret. Margaret. I'm going to turn it over to you to just put the agenda up. And then we will. Swing into the meeting where I give back my control as chair to, to whoever wants to take it. Okay. Can everybody see this? Yes. So it's a. Brief agenda. Although I think a couple of these items have some discussion. We're going to start out. With the talk discussion about agenda and timeline. The consultants, myself and Denisco have a recommendation about a modification to the overall timeline for the submission that we're working towards right now. Denisco is going to give an update on. The. Design as it is evolving. And then we're going to talk about. The search for. An alternative time for this meeting and whether that is appropriate. So Kathy, in terms of votes. I think are you, you want to take a vote on the, the poll. Today. Yeah, I'll report on it. Yes. Just on a, we don't have a, we don't have a, we don't have a, we don't have a, we don't have a poll. So I don't know whether it's a vote or not. Margaret, but the design. Design timeline. I think we have to agree. That. Cause it's a shift in what you had proposed before. Okay. Well, and I think when you wrote this timeline, you had us looking at the, at the date after the design update. So you want to do it that in that sequence. Yes. Let's, let's do design. I don't have a date that we don't lose a lot of people. I don't have a date that we don't lose a lot of people. I don't have a date that we don't lose a lot of people. I don't have a date that we don't lose a lot of people. I don't have a date that we don't lose a lot of people. Yes. Let's, let's do design update because I want to make sure that people are here for that discussion. Okay. So then I'm going to turn it over. To Dinesco. And we'll. Catch up on the timeline after their presentation. Okay. Well, then. I will share my screen. And we're going to talk about updates that we've been working on for the past week. You know, we've had some great meetings with. We've had some great meetings with. We've had some great meetings with the school. And we've been very conversing as we shared it. Last week. I'm starting with the plans, the substantial changes. That we've made since we've last presented to the entire committee. We've had some good meetings with. The music staff within the school and administration. We've realized there are significant storage needs and. And the stage which will also be used by the music program. So that's slightly different in the practice rooms will no longer be accessed directly from the music room, but from the area behind the stage where the storage is because we've learned that there are multiple music programs including a band and orchestra, choral and general music education. So this just allows the students to be served in more different flexible ways. We also had some good conversations with the administrative staff about how they work and we've reorganized the suite so that the secretaries can both do their job, maintain control over who enters and that is the building and still have clear access to the offices within the suite. And this is an evolving design which we will have to go through. Moving up through the building there have been minor shifts that we can talk about. Basically to get the massing to work a little bit better as we move a little bit further along in the presentation you'll be able to see these shifts from the outside the library has moved a little bit. The stamina room are moving around just to get the square footages and the overall shape of the building to just work in ways that work for both the plan and the look of the building from the outside. The same is true of the third floor we're just pushing and pulling a little bit mostly on the west side over the entrance of the building to get the massing and the mechanical systems that we're beginning to put into the design to work. We are also continuing to look at the site plan and tandem and we have a meeting next week with Gilbert and Rupert and other people in town just to review progress and get input. I just want to show you some of the things that we're looking at one is extending the southern drop off to maximize the queuing space that just to be sure that all queuing and drop off traffic happens on site and doesn't conflict with anything on southeast street. We also have to find locations for service vehicles and van parking and drop off. It's shown right here at the end of the southern loop, but that may not be the best location. So we are continuing to look at it. We are also looking at adjusting the athletic fields that are on site. This shows the softball field rotated from the last version that was presented. There are a couple of reasons one to get it to work better with the playground possibly another is we've moved the direction of hitting softballs away from the PV panels that will be in the parking lot. The distances and the likelihood all have to be worked out, but it's something a problem we'd like to avoid possible. Tim, can I just also mention that we had a really great conversation about outdoor learning. And we're starting to really pull that together it's really exciting so maybe next building committee we can share a little bit more about that. I also want to talk about elevation studies as we're working with Thornton Thomas Eddie to, in a quantifiable way, determine the best daylighting solutions for the classrooms we are working with them to model several options of the classroom to see which will provide optimal daylight, the deepest into the room, which will provide the best glare free light. You can see a couple options here with punched openings the height of the classroom evenly distributed. We have other options where there is a band of glazing high that doesn't allow you to see out but allows light deeper into the room with light shelves on some options to prevent glare. And then the vision glass is collected to one side or the other. And with Thornton Thomas Eddie will be able to evaluate what that does in terms of direct light and glare on teaching walls, if one would be better than the other. And so we've with and we are modeling several options and we will come back to you with the results of that process so you can truly evaluate which glazing organization is going to give the best environment in the classroom for learning and for general comfort. But we are going through multiple options, including the location height size of the windows on the exterior walls. Plus, we have some flexibility to manipulate the ceiling plane within the classrooms which will allow us to get light deeper into the room. And these sections show pushing the ceiling up at the perimeter, which we're allowed to do because the mechanical systems typically come about two thirds and we're working with our engineers to locate all of these systems. Now I'm actually going to switch to some up some Kathy have your hand. So you can, you can be switching. I'm just going to ask, ask a question, make a comment that I know the the day lighting interacts also with the 24% window on the and sustainability. So, the question is, at some point after you do this modeling, when you want to reconvene, I'll call it the sustainability committee the net zero committee, you know, to bring this back all back together. So we've got sort of how we're modeling the school design, the internal classroom just on a, we don't have it scheduled. So I just want to make sure we get it on a schedule somewhere. Absolutely we want to we are currently modeling the glazing percentage in the classrooms at about 30%, which is higher than the overall building average so you know we may need to adjust that or we may need to make decisions about other spaces in the building what we want to be what where we want to use those that glazing opportunity. So absolutely we will want to schedule that when we get the results back from or in advance. I see Mike's hands up also just briefly. You know I just, I appreciate the work I appreciate the meeting that was last Friday with the subcommittee and walking. You know, and I think the shifting the softball field makes sense. I think the only thing I caution I want to have is I think we we still need to work to define where kids are playing at recess what's used because if you look at where the community is, you know, right the fence is in a better position but now the the infield which is not grass takes up a significant portion of that area closest to where the school is. And so, right, I'm not against softball, I got blamed for that once last week and it's not it's not an accurate assessment. I just, I'm really thinking about kids and and recess and making sure that the green space and if they're going to use a green space to the east of the school. Cool, you know that that that resolves it I mean, you know, one might wonder that's a lot of green space to not be used in the north but you know I think just will need to have more conversations not necessarily today about that because I think there's competing interests and demands and finite amount of space and it's just a caution and a concern that I don't want to have a beautiful new school and one of the reasons we chose it is green space for for outdoor learning as Donna said and for play space but then actually not have the sufficient about 575 students need. So, no comment out of question just something we're going to come back to but I'm going to keep on banging that drum because it's a major concern of mine. No, but it is worthy comment and everything that you've seen is still moving and and we are well aware that this is a school project and it is a school first so you just, you know, not to answer just to say that that is foremost in our mind. Yeah, and just want to add on two things one is on the fields. It was comment was made to me by a coach of sports that grouping this outdoor field space into one area gave a lot more flexibility in order in terms of like ultimate frisbee and things like that as opposed to just organizing it around softball. I think our goal should be to maximize flexibility of all the spaces that we have. In the second, in terms of as you start to look at the windows. I know there is interesting there's so many things you have to take into account one is the indoor, the impact on the indoor the light and all that stuff but also the sort of window fenestration on the building and what that looks like from the outside and what that how that fits into your design model so good luck with that. That's actually a perfect segue to where we are going right now. Let me pull up what I intended to. So, I'm going to share a few videos that we talked about in the subcommittee last week. They are varied in terms of their approach in terms of use of material designed to inspire conversation. And that you're seeing is flexible. Some are a little bit more traditional some are less so. But we had a very productive discussion last week and I'm sure we will again next week as we, you know, learn more about what you would like to see on the project and how we can balance all of those very needs you're talking about. But this is a view from the north side of the building of one option. It's a mostly masonry material. We had a discussion about the colors available in brick and they there are almost as many as you could think of, but this shows a sort of neutral palette with accents of color around the windows and entrances. Tim, maybe what you can do is also talk about what the spaces are just so people can orient themselves a little bit. Sure. As we move around the building on the left side, this is the academic wing, the repetition of three punched windows. For the most part, each one of those is a classroom where you see the projection here that's kindergarten classrooms which are a little bit larger so they come out. So we move a little to the right. You are getting to the library on the second floor and the cafeteria on the first and the music room so those are frequently occupied by a large group so we've used a bit more blazing in those spaces and you can see as we walk around the building some of them have entrances, particularly the cafeteria. This is one of the options that we studied after we met with you all last time. We took a look at one of our initial design studies was a sloped roof on a few of these elements and one of our priorities is really to develop the front entrance in a way so that it's recognizable and really as you drive up, it really defines the building so that was really important to us. So we looked at this as a flat roof option after we met with you and then also developed a sloped roof option and you'll see Tim will present a hybrid option which is the result of many great comments that we received last week and you know, we also want you to provide some feedback to some honest feedback and what we tell folks is, you know, we, we have really thick skin and we don't, we won't, you won't hurt our feelings. If you just tell us honestly how you feel we're really okay with it because this is really an opportunity to get as many feedback comments as possible. So if you look at these options we, we don't want you to be hung up on colors. As Tim said there are so many colors of brick and other mason units, we're using color to convey kind of the depth of color, maybe but I think what we want to do is look at using some neutral palettes so that we can bring bright colors in and make the building a little bit more playful. We're going to try to interrupt Tim. Yeah, I think I think Paul had a, oh, sorry. With this option we're just going to continue around the build. Sorry, did you have something Paul. No, that was residual hands. Okay, okay. This, this would be the view. I'm going to push the site from the southern entrance administration, although our volume here, a clear present entrance, the gym volume in the background, and then you can see a hint of the three story building beyond but the way the program is lopsided toward the first floor with the large height elements to the west it really gives us an opportunity to manipulate the mass to do things that speak to entrance and breaking down the scale of the building. And Tim, I maybe you can pause for a second. I'm not sure if the canopies have been introduced yet for shelter for students as they exit the building and things like that so. Yeah. So we are looking at sort of applied exterior canopies and canopies that are integrated with the building we're going to look at a few options today but this probably has the smallest canopy of all of them and it's just a little bit of cover as you in this option the doors are facing north and south towards the different drop off loops, rather than directly west. It's only our other options the doors face west and are visible but you know will require you to come down and turn into the building. Yeah, Tim as you and Vivian as you rotate because I was saw some of these last week. I might. I know you're going to show us the slant roof but some of it was opportunities to add color, like a metal plate that's a bright yellow blue whatever color we want. I've shown some of it but we can also do that you said we can do that at the front of the building selectively, and then I think this gym view is different than the gym view you showed us where you had a mural on the side of the gym that you'd be seeing so. You know, one of the terrific things of this rotation that we saw last week is this adding of selective colors that breaks up the scale of the building but also makes it look more elementary so that was to me really exciting to be seeing all you think about what are the windows look like. We were also told we don't have to have the same windows on the south side that we have on the north side if there's if there's a reason to vary that because of the sun coming in or need for more light so. Anyway, I just stopped there because I saw these a week ago. We'll see the slant group and just the only other thing is that this multiple flat roof that you were showing. If you could speak to is that does that introduce expense compared to the oblique line the simpler one that's the slant roof as you're you're showing us these choices. Complexity in general does introduce expense but we are very good at designing to budgets and we're not going to present anything that is. You know, introduces undue cost into the project that they all come with different details different expenses but. We are presenting these as different options in terms of design not as this is the expensive one and this is the more moderately priced one. Also you'll see in in our next iteration, we are also needing to balance where rooftop equipment goes so there will be a balance of some more flat roofs with even when we're doing the slope roof option so there's a need still for some of the lower roofs here and there. And then, of course, we will have solar design, look at which has the most optimum or maximum solar on the roof. Yeah. So here is the start of another option with the view as you approach the site from the southern entrance of the administration as a slope roof to sort of accentuate where the entrance is at the north side of that volume and here's a canopy that's also integrated into the building that's a little bit larger. So here is the gym. We have another view that we can look at later that Kathy alluded to that there's an opportunity for colorful architectural elements, perhaps art, perhaps signage, but it is could be thought of as a canvas to present the identity of the school. This shows a sort of warmer, more traditional brick color. But you should think about all of these colors as placeholders representations of volumes and then as we get into the material palette selection and we can make those decisions as we move forward. Coming to the north side of the building you can see again there is a lot of glass in the library and the cafeteria in the music room. There's a more even representation of color on the classroom wing, sort of one color that other than the third floor we've changed the material swing around to the south side where it's a little bit brighter. I was going to say this has to be a certain time of day right. We're working on getting all the views to be reflective of the same time of day. But you can see here there's clear story glass into the lobby which will create a very well lit space that the majority of the students enter through and exit every day. A shot of the gym separating. So here's more traditional approach to classroom windows a series of punched openings without the accents that you saw on one of the other, or the first option. So as we continue to develop the design of this building we're going to be looking at ways to break up the scale of the academic the three story. And this is just one way of doing it right by changing out the material, or at least the coloration of the third story it kind of lightens it up so it doesn't really feel like this big heavy masonry building. They're different ways that we're going to treat that to try to achieve that. Angelica, do you have your hand up. It's hiding behind the case. I just was wondering I know last time we talked about in the cafeteria how to integrate more of an outdoor space given that students really need to have sort of that. Not just during the pandemic but afterwards be able to have the benches and you know the tables and things like that and I just was wondering if you could go back to how it looked like because my concern is that there might not be a space in the front where the cafeteria is located, and the cafeteria seems kind of like. Yeah there's not enough green space there and I'm not sure I only see a small door I don't see anything else where kids can come outside and have their lunches and that's something that's become part of the culture at forever already. So I'm wondering, given that we talked about what that would look like. We talked about last week. We have definitely heard what you're saying from both pretty much everyone in the school that outdoor eating lunch integration of the playground is critically important. These. Massing models elevations and drawings that you're looking at right now are really. You can find the composition of the whole building where we're going to be using glass and solid, but there was certainly a lot of time and effort that will be spent on making sure that those doors to the playground are in the right place so that everything flows as it will. As you can see here in one of the options the playground is real is represented as a beige plane. So the detail is is not there yet. Some of the plans show the doors to the cafeteria from the playground right where my cursor is where you can see that and it's not rendered in this option like a lot of the doors to the exterior are not and others have it at this side, which when we get to that stage there will certainly be a sidewalk up to it. If it's determined that a door wants to be on that side because that's the cafeteria is a collection point for drop off and dismissal. I mean, I guess that's a long way to say we have heard all of those concerns and we are working them to design but you know all of those details are not there yet. So I'm going to close this hand Angelica your hand still up. Yeah just a quick follow up so yeah I appreciate that clarification. It just my question was also about just looking at these schematics and even with the details added to that green space it seems like there's just still I worry that there might not be enough room. And if the cafeteria were, say, on the other side where the gym is I mean just I would love to hear about what why one side versus the other given that in the other side backside there's more space. I know how the school looks like now and I'm just still trying to visualize how how much space students would have given that also that's the drop off and there's a lot of car car movements that at certain times and so it just was wondering whether maybe in the back where they can I mean I'm sure the gym is in the back because it's facing the fields but I just wanted to hear a little bit more about the choice of the cafeteria in the front. Kim maybe you can pull up a plan. Actually the cafeteria, Angelica the cafeteria is going to face the playing fields. Yeah, it's they moved it. They moved it because the where the gym is is where that bus drop off loop would be. So if the cafeteria were there there wouldn't be. You have to put that. Yeah, so the cafeteria is where Tim's little cursor is. Yeah, Tim, can you zoom in a little bit. Yeah, we felt it was important that the cafeteria related to the play areas. And so it is facing the great open space and as Tim said, we are continuing to develop the site design and now that we've received some really great feedback regarding outdoor learning we're going to take, we're going to fold that in as we develop the design for the, the rest of the play area and particularly the area outside the cafeteria. But what you're also not seeing actually this area is is quite large, it's, it's really large. It's hard to really understand that right now but what you're also you're not seeing play equipment you're not seeing basketball and that so. I guess, Angelica we've 100% heard you and everyone else and we'll just ask, we're just simultaneously doing a bunch of things so it just might not be 100% developed yet, but it's not lost. So, so we've got you and we'll swing back to that. As, as we get all of the input to the site. Okay, so this option is one of the other ones that we saw last week. It has a slightly different approach to the classroom wing the overall elevation is broken up a bit more with change of materials and the window penetration is a little bit different. One of the bigger, but perhaps more subtle changes in this option is that it takes the program on the north side of the lobby in the main circulation and angles it and it might it might even be too subtle to see in this view but the library cafeteria and the room are rotated about 10 degrees so that they face the drop off drive. You know that was sort of an investigation to, we know that it's a concern that the building have some presence and identity as you enter the building. And it's something that we're still looking at but it may not be worth it in terms of essentially extra space added to the building or but here is a version that we've developed in the past week based on some feedback that we received last week. One, the canopy needed to be larger. We've introduced some color here so that would pop and mark the entrance. We've articulated the gym of it with some changes in materials. We've also introduced some signage that may add an opportunity for color adjusted the glazing at the lobby just to make sure that it is a light filled space. And then still this is a work in progress and we are looking for your comments and but we're going to go back and really dig into the details and and have a lengthy conversation with the working group next Friday. You can also see here that as Vivian mentioned, there are mechanical systems that need to be integrating to the building. And as opposed to the last with the slope group has a screen wall around the mechanical equipment that will serve the administration suite, the gym and the library, and that is all behind this wall right here. Tim, do you have a version with the mural on the gym wall. I do. And I can pull that out. No, no, that's okay just because people were pretty excited about that. Yeah, we know your buses won't have signage, unless that's one way to obtain revenue. So here we come around to the north side of the building with pops of color introduced into the classroom. Combined with the massing of the slope route and the lobby entrance. This is very similar a single splash of color at each window or wanted each classroom. And then we're going to what another thing this option does is sort of explore the idea of changing the fenestration on the north side of the building and the south side of the building. So, as we sort of orbit around to the south, you can see that we've introduced even more color. So I think as Vivian was saying, you know, we're looking for reactions or comments. Intentionally, and we have them. Kathy. Why don't I let Paul and Jonathan go first, since I spoke earlier. I'm letting Jonathan go first since he's the architect. I do I waiting, especially since Paul I got to see some of this not this piece last week so that they get to hear from me a little bit already but since I'm talking. I do like these pops of color. In my head though, if as you were spinning I was thinking would be kind of interesting to see what it would look like if there was a fairly different treatment from the north on the north and the south sides. And I would actually think of almost swapping them because the north side will always be a little bit more shadowy and having pops of color on that north side to kind of enliven it. To me is something that would be interesting to explore. But I like the way I like the way this kind of pops I like the you know how the color kind of interacts with the neutral tone so. And maybe both sides should be the same but it was it was just something that was happening in my head and you turned it around and look at that there was something different on one side from the other. Because I think in my head I'm kind of imagining that the kids are going to spend more time outside on that north side is that's where the main place spaces obviously they will spend some time out here and plenty of people will see the side so I wouldn't want to be completely you know not have an expression to it but if we were to do some variance. That would be my thought. The other thing is it's you know we are showing you from a bird's eye view so that you can really understand the full massing and well maybe what we can do next time is also do it from how people would be perceiving this from the ground because I think it might be a totally different experience but this just helps you see all of the articulation and the building. Yeah you might not see it otherwise but. Okay Paul you can you. Okay, thank you so I have two general comments what one is. I think I would like the colors that you use to give be cues on two things one is what's inside the building so they you know you say so I tell you what's what's what things are. The other is like if you're outside the building and you're saying a lot of times people say oh you walk over to the red doors that's how do you get into the gym. You say oh go to the go to where the red is or go blue is whatever the color is and I think using color, you know, especially dynamic colors as a cue for where you should be gathering if someone says that we're going to be meeting outside the cafeteria and you have new people there or kids they can they will associate, you know, versus words they'll say go to the orange area or something like that so I would think. And I think the you know, you know, some people use the out the colors on the outside to indicate what's inside. So you can say anytime anywhere there's a yellow there's that means it's a classroom or something like that. So that's one and the other thing is, I really wonder if there's a way, sort of a primary experience from any parents and then students as well is going through the front door of the building and the schools where my kids have been when that's been sort of either West or north facing it's always been shady and dark and I think what I would want with us new school is to say it's bright and sunny and I think that sort of mandates a southern exposure we can't get an east exposure obviously on this for, you know, Morning Sun brightening into the day but I was wondering if there's a way to maybe it isn't but to sort of jut it out or do something where it captures more sun at that entrance both because a lot of a lot of times you're waiting for a parent pickup or your after school or something somebody's waiting outside the front door and having it be in the sun in this climate with the option for shade. I just I think trying to utilize sun sun to make the building more welcoming would be a benefit to us. I understood Paul and and we're studying the impact of the sun. As as it impacts the inside as well right so that the primary is nor is the north south exposures to the classrooms which obviously are the most important. Again, and what you're going to hear multiple times is there's mutually exclusive needs or requirements at the front right so we need canopies for shade and awning and for inclement weather while the students gather outside but as a result of that what you're doing is shade at certain times of the day. And then we've been working with Thornton Thomas said he and they're doing the study of having this beautiful glazing to bring natural light into the building, but yet this is on the west side so that's the hardest to control. We've been able to manage that right so we're studying all of that and and just we've got to find that that right balance for for all of the needs. And I don't remember what was on the east side of the building is there a way to sort of capture light coming in in the morning to flow through the building. It's it's just the other end of the academic wing right so the west side is the north side. It's the stairwell right it's the glass stairwell but yeah there are windows on the east side of the building and that light will be used to, you know bring light into the circulation and the classroom but it is a bit remote to like the lobby but this option and the one with the flat roof had clear story spacing south in the lobby which would allow the lobby to be very bright even if it's a west facing elevation and so they're, we're still looking at everything and possibly bringing together, you know the best aspects of both options so, and we've also done canopies with skylights in them so to, you know as you are on the west side even though the sun will be behind the building if you're approaching at 8am. We're going to make it as light filled as possible. Okay, thank you. So I had a, it just, I wanted to, since we have more of a group, a larger group here than last time. When we saw this last week, many, quite a few of us are not mics here he can speak for himself, we like the slanted roof. Because it broke up the lines and really made the school look different, different. You know it was, and it was kind of simpler than the flat roofs. So I don't know whether you need, like, does everyone like that. So if you keep working with this should we stay with us. So it's a question or do you want to keep carrying the flat roof version and the slanted so then my other question about the slanted is, is the slant. Does that allow you, when you put solar canopies there to be, you know I've got a barn roof with solar canopies on it and my roof slants slants just about right for the can for the solar. You know so they didn't have to put a wreck something else they had to hold the solar up but they didn't have to create a big tall thing. So I had a question about the one slant but then the gym you've got slanted in the other direction. And I wasn't sure why it's slanted because it's because then you would, if you put solar canopies on the gym, you'd have you'd have to stand them up to get the light so it was just a question on these the slopes. And why, why not have the gym also slope, and maybe, you know, I don't even know what that might look like so that those were my questions, because I like this better than the flat roof, and I'll stop talking because Mike's hand went up to because I think Mike you liked the slope better to correct. So it was just a question about the sloping. Just to quickly answer the question. In this view, the gym roof is actually represented flat. We are, you know, sort of looking at another where the gym roof slope would be similar to the administration part, but we would not slope it to the north. Thank you. Yeah, and I'll just add briefly what Kathy said one of the reasons, at least for me and I think there are other people in our group who agreed. Last Friday that the slope on the front is that one of the concerns we had I think this group was made I think Paul made a very thoughtful comment a while back about making sure you knew where the front of the building was because of the orientation and there was a lot of dialogue. As I recall about that and in the slope in the front, for me makes it much more clear this is where you go in this is where you walk whereas the sort of boxy front looks not wildly different than the sides or the back and you know so I think I think it looks better but aesthetically but for me it's much more about wayfinding and making sure that there's less confusion about where to enter the building particularly as it's a new building and it's oriented sort of deeper instead of wider as our current building is so just just adding that to the conversation from our discussion last Friday. And Kathy I wonder if we should do a time check it because we do have to make what at least one decision or maybe two before I think Mike, Mike's only one who'll be leaving. So I'm not sure much how much longer we spend on this but. Okay, I just wanted everyone to see Paul we will but this was an eye catching example of what we could do with a mural and that happens to be the mural that's currently on Port River, where they, they superimposed it so. I wanted to make sure I don't see Tammy's not here today but I wanted to make sure that people saw there were ways of, to the extent we wanted to that we can bring things that currently speak of the school to people to this, and this was an example of what Vivian and Rick and Tim and others had done. Tim, you know, this is with this if we did a mural there does it get painted on does it, you know, so it's like what what would, what would the choices be of, and I know we've, that's a whole separate discussion but I get getting art to last 50 years is in itself so it would probably want to be something more durable than paint. And so we would have to discussion, whether that percent for art or whatever percentage of this speaks to a mural made out of tile maybe it's a made out of architectural materials you can do a mosaic with brick it's been done that's not something, you know, we suggest but something that would be worthy of the canvas that it's put on and would last the life of the building is a discussion that would take some thought. Can I just weigh in one last on my son comment like this is a great view of, like, if I were looking at I am looking at this, the, the, where the entrance is it seems like it's, it's really shady and dark and that like the corner of the building seems like oh, that would be like where I'd want to sit and wait for somebody because it's nice and sunny and it's going to be a day when it's 40 degrees or 50 degrees you got to sit out there, but I think that I'm assuming you have some circulation issues that you can't address but when I look at from this version, it looks like the, the nice warm spot where people like to lean up against the building and read a book or something or it's going to be on where the offices are. You're, you're actually asking whether they can move the offices and change the entrance I think is part of where you're going with this or move the entrance more. Yeah. I think sorry I think I think I think this is a certain time of day. And so, Tim, do you have a night. You know it depends on the year and it depends on. It's a southern, it's a southern exposure though, right. It doesn't look at it. It is a southern exposure here. So this is this wall is facing south. During the morning drop off the shadow of the gym here this is this is honestly late afternoon west so the sun is coming from the southwest to give you that so if we are getting into the absolute realism of sunlight as you approach this in the morning this would be in shade. So, you know, how far the shade from the gym comes this direction would depend on the time of day and we can certainly do those studies to illustrate why the entrance is where it is and it also speaks a lot to how the site works. Well, most of the traffic is coming from and most of the outdoor use is to the north of the building. But we will certainly make every effort and we will ensure that the entrance is comfortable and well lit and then these are simply modeled at this point we will get into the full extent of the glazing and and how this space will work. So, so again I think we will make sure that Paul your comment is very helpful that we either show it at the same time of day for for all of these but also maybe several times a day so and identify them right so this is late afternoon with the west sun coming down. So, but in the morning, actually, the area that you're talking about as Tim said, is actually going to be in shadow and the sun will be hopefully accentuating the main entrance so what I think what we need to do is just and we've done this before is the sun studies and and walk through that. Sean, this is just a follow up on Paul's comment, it seems to am not an architect but it seems to me like it also might have to do with how low that canopy is over the doors. There's a way to have a higher canopy maybe makes the entrance feel a little bigger and more open and would allow more sun to hit those doors if that sort of lower canopy was either maybe gone and you could just do a upper canopy or if it was higher up somehow. Yeah, we will look at that that I mean there's there's a balance that has to happen between how high canopy is to do what you're talking about and then there's also if it's above a certain height it doesn't really work as a canopy anymore because when driven lane blows that is all part of what we are considering. I just wanted to, to maybe explain a little bit of what you guys can do to kind of help clarify this for us. Talk about solar studies, I'm sure you can you can give us a brief sort of animation that instead of moving the building would actually show that that sun path during the course of the day, say in September or December or something like that. So that we would get kind of that then the kind of feel of how the light would play. We might not do that in the earliest stages here but as we as we refine things more, I suspect that's something that you can, you can do as a tool for kind of explaining this visually. I think actually it is important to do earlier, rather than later Jonathan because I don't. We want everyone to feel comfortable with with the direction that we're going and and Tim, is that something that we can do with just bring, not today but because I know it's good at things to do but just using this within to model it at the next meeting or create a movie like you did on this. That is absolutely something that we could do at the next meeting. Actually I can do it. Now, do we have time for this. I just want to make sure we're Yeah, I'm looking at maybe we'll just give a preview real quick this will be one solution but you can see 10 manipulating everything. So pick it maybe am when they arrive I don't know. Tim playing God. And I'm not. I'm not. So this is 930 and the shadows are all optimized to make the light look even and so you can read the building and we can give you a more accurate representation but the know after 930 the gym and administration come into shadow. And then the afternoon obviously the entire western side of the building is in light. This is. And it also matters what time of year to absolutely so. So we can we can we have the ability to answer your questions very specifically. And, and we can produce this sort of output for the options and give you the date and time so that it's. It's kind of responsive. How much light will be on, you know, and furthermore, at some point you can do the same sort of studies on the interior to because we want this both to be welcoming from the outside but as you walk through those doors, we want that to feel welcoming and have it be a, you know, kind of knitted together. Holistically welcoming experience. So I think we don't have to do the entire, I think there are two time periods we want to look at 8am and 3pm or something like that just heavy traffic times. Forget everything else just look at those two dots and see what it looks like. Especially as people are arriving right what are they going to say. So maybe if if we if we put go to a stopping point right now to make sure we can talk about dates and meeting times. You know, I don't know Margaret are you going to be this. It's an issue of MSBA board dates and March and April affects our timing. And that's when we can get what done, because of when we have to submit materials. So that's just my overview. And I'll take it from there Kathy so. So there's been a bit of a discussion started between me and Donna. So a few weeks ago, when the MSBA published its dates for the coming year so this is, they have fixed meeting dates, and the fixed meeting dates fix the submission dates. So when we develop the schedule originally. Typically a meeting in March, typically the submission date is six weeks earlier so we assume that the submission date for the early March meeting was going to be in mid early to mid January which would allow everybody to come back from the holidays. To look at the final submission and take the appropriate votes, as it's happened, they've published the dates, but they've moved the submission date, or they published a submission date that is December 28. And it was Donna's and my take on this that would make it really hard for this committee or frankly any committee to do what was required. You will remember the sort of flurry of activity before the other two submissions where there were documents to review and comment on their comments to be taken and discussions. So, we have suggested to Kathy and we had an initial conversation with that and also involve Paul, Sean and let it be spur. We're recommending to them and I'm going to pull up a picture of what this looks like. Thank you Donna who created somebody in your office created this. So, what we're suggesting is that instead of the March second submission date that we're going to. Well, it's a more instead of a December submission date for March meeting. There's a March submission for an April meeting. And what it does, I think the first thing that Dinesco looked at in reviewing this was clearly we want to keep the end today the same so the question was, how could you work around this moving. So here was this what would be the submission date the end of December and then the MSBA vote. Now here is the submission date and here is the vote so what what it means for Dinesco is that it's going to lengthen their schematic design time, and it's going to shorten up their design development time, which is actually this red thing. So the overall design period is essentially the same, but they're spending a little more time on the front end, and they are comfortable with this. So, you know, we think it's a better meant for the process because it will give us more time after the first of the year to have discussion and do community engagement before the submission goes in. But we wanted to bring this to the committee to hear their thoughts about it. Do you need us to MSBA needs to know which meeting we're going for do you need us to take an official vote that we're changing the schedule. They're not looking for a vote it's really more just a discussion here and then I, you know they, they build their staffing requirements around the dates so they, they watch now for the purposes of their internal discussion whether they're going to be reviewing this in January, or in March so I will just send a follow up based on this discussion today I'll send a follow up email to them confirming that we're revising the date. And if I could just jump on that we feel and you, you are seeing and hearing these discussions. And it's, it's important, we feel that it's important instead of trying to rush to a kind of schematic design that we have the opportunity to have these conversations but also have an outreach to the community to do it without being really rushed and we're trying to do it in December. Well, or you can't really do it in December right so after Thanksgiving, you're, you're, you lose a lot of attention. Not only from you all but also from from the public and so we just felt, we're not losing any ground. There's a little bit of shaving on the construction document side the red bar, we are 100% comfortable with that. And we feel that having the, this is showing 23 months for construction now that we have a site. And now we know it's going to be a new building. That really doesn't change and it still gives us ample time to have the students in the new school come September of 2026 because we can we then have to come back demolish the building and finish the site so we think the construction side is, I don't want to say comfortable but it's extremely reasonable, and we're confident we can be doing the work that we need to do to get it out to bed. And we just feel it's so important with this community that we give ourselves extra time during this phase and it will help inform the cost estimates as well. This this will allow us a little more time to define the design for the cost estimates. So the other thing is as they were talking through this it leaves time Mike and Ben, if we wanted to have a joint meeting with the school committee, you know where we're we've got this is what the building, some of the decisions but it's so this community engagement would also be the school committee trying to figure out when we were going to squeeze all of that in if it all had to happen before December 28. It was difficult. And then the last thing I wanted to say just for me as chair, I'd like, and I was going to see who else on the committee wants to help me. I wanted to draft some very simple fact sheets, you know, like a why we need a new building. So what is what's the net zero what's this building going to be in terms of energy efficiency and climate, so that we'd have something up on our website but things that people could post on their Facebook or media page you know short, and it would be good to have some pictures of some decisions about what this shape of the school might look like to be able to put on that so we weren't looking at a imagine a school. So I just thought it buys a little time for me, in terms of my own life, or working with a couple people, you know to to think of drafting some of that. We don't need a motion on this Kathy. So, so Margaret said we don't need a motion if the strong recommendation is to go to the modified schedule I guess I just would hear does anyone have a concern about it. And if not, we will be on the schedule that's the modified schedule and you will tell us what that means in terms of our meeting schedule with you. So, if I can. So the two things I was concerned about is this going to cost us more money in the answer from Margaret and Donna were no. And is this going to delay that the night and the occupancy of the building and the answer from both of them was no. So that's, those are the answers that I'm really comfortable with this. Does anyone else have a comment or concern, Mike. Yep, just wanted to the same places Paul I am going to have to go in about two minutes. So I can stay for this part of it but then I'm going to have to depart. So, I think if we don't need to vote we don't need to vote but I wanted a public voice by support somewhere to Paul. So that decisions made and now I wanted to report on and Margaret's, you don't have to show the grid Margaret but when we did the search for a possible alternative day and time. Every time that was offered. We lost at least three people and sometimes four or five, and we were unfortunately they were from the school, you know was one or the other of the two principles couldn't make it and or Ben and Rupert couldn't make it or one or the other of them. So we don't have a date this was a licious request that we try to find an alternative meeting date. Mike you had the Friday slot the afternoon slot 130 to 330 it lost people but not as many people. I mean, but you had suggested that we think of sometimes we're meeting in the morning and sometimes we're meeting at a different time. So, I don't know how feasible that is in people's lives they'd have to remember oh it's Friday. So Friday kind of work for the morning in the afternoon, but we would lose different people, we would lose Alicia on Friday morning but we would lose some others so I didn't know how to close the loop on this but that's the report back it's Tuesdays and Thursdays, we lose too many people, even if we reconfigured there's a finance committee meeting and a Jones library meeting that we had to reconfigure but we were losing. We were losing a principal Rupert, Ben and Mike was I can come but I'll be inconsistent with coming because of what the conflict of what happens after when school lets out. So, Phoebe and Angelica, but I know you both were concerned I mean this effort to try to find another date. You, several of you said all dates work, you know, reconv and all dates worked for me. So I think the only other way of keeping this would be on Fridays. I'm not even proposing this because I'm not sure it works but that you know, one Friday we'd be meeting in the morning and the next two weeks later we'd be meeting in the afternoon. I also think, Kathy, it's going to mean that you're going to have to be careful about scheduling for votes. I think it's just to participate in a vote, you know, with that period of time, where we're people are looking at commenting and sort of signing off on stuff that will mean we would have to do more afternoon than morning meetings. So that's my report on a, you couldn't find, we were hoping that we would find something where everyone could do it. And the answer is we lose two to three people on all the, all the times, sometimes four. Yeah. Phoebe. That was one of the people that was, you know, I can, I can shift my schedule accordingly so I, you know, I want to put that out there because that's just my own schedule and I understand that other people have more constraints on their time than I do. There are, to my knowledge, there are other members of this committee that miss quite a few meetings. And so I want to put that out there that if we can stretch a little bit and possibly do an every other type of situation. I think everything will take some getting used to but I think that there's precedent set to be able to within this committee to be able to understand that, you know, I don't know that we have to shift votes those kinds of things I mean I think that if we if there's something that needs to be voted on we handle it with the committee that's in front of us at the time that we're supposed to vote. And I think that it's worth thinking about if we can go ahead and stretch and do one morning Friday the next one will be an afternoon Friday the you know I mean, I don't know how other people feel but that's kind of how in terms of preserving I think it's less the person and more what you know the the sort of the position that that person holds in the community being the, you know, one of the few that have the young kids that are going to immediately be affected by what we're trying to do here. So, that's it thank you. Angelica. I just want to second that that also that works for me and you know if it's afternoon, a lot of us, you know, are after school drop off time that would be great. It's a, you know, Fridays tends to be flexible and there is precedent for that. I also want to throw out I don't know if this is possible, given whatever open meeting laws we may have but if there's any votes and flexibility can be built into voting through electronic voting that might be also another option. You know, Qualtrics or something like that. So just to throw that out there. Paul, I don't think we can under the public record of open meeting law you have to be present to vote and unfortunately we're not the state hasn't moved beyond that yet. You know, and I just Angelica just so on the Friday the Friday slot and Margaret you can look at your grid to make sure I'm remembering the Friday slot that lost the fewest number of people was the 130 to 330 it wasn't the later the later afternoon. So we had one principle who said she could make it that slot time slot. You know so it was a, you know, we lost both when we went to the later time because it's, it's at when school is dismissed that you know so and, and we lost other people for the late Friday. So it wasn't the after. Yeah, I think the three to five Friday time is really that has seven members of this committee who can't attend. So the Friday 130 the 330 time has three people which includes Rupert, Paul, and one of the principles. So it would mean the Friday morning, we would have one missing the Friday 130 meeting we would have three. That's as good as it gets. Yeah, I think I just want to point out that once we get past schematic design, we won't be needing to have in building committee meetings every two weeks. So this is really a kind of a short window and time and then as the design and the project moves forward, we should be meeting once a month. So I just want to make sure people understand that commitment. I mean, I'm worried that we're going to lose a quorum so Ben, I, we didn't reach back to when people voted there, could they make it or not. So are there people who think the and, and I don't know whether we would have to do every other time we meet on the opposite time but at least once, once every few times to to vary the time we meet. Is there anyone who hates that idea, maybe, you know, Kevin, we also need to confirm that Alicia can make the Friday 130 to 330 time because she didn't respond to the poll so she gave she gave us those times originally but I will. Margaret she said Friday, she could meet when 30 years later so I also checked in with her she did not receive the poll. Oh, okay. Well, let me. That's okay. Thank you. But but those were times she originally gave us the 330 or later in the afternoon is but I would double I absolutely will double check with her. I mean we're not going to switch it. But right now as you've seen we kept the 830 until we until we decide differently it's it's our regular time. Anyone anyone have a Jonathan Ben, people who haven't spoken. Simone, I think Simone was one of the people that's only one time one slot work for her but Jonathan. I'm more than willing to be flexible. I think it would be a shame for the one person who whose kids will benefit and experience the school who's on the committee to be kind of lost. My kids will all be in middle school and high school by the time this project is finished. I leave it that but that I will double double check with Alicia if that works, and then we will work with Margaret and Donna on a. What does that mean right now you all have the meeting slots all the way through December, I think early December. So we'll just look at what that schedule means. And you know, we know we're going to be regularly missing some people then but Paul, does that seem like a reasonable solution to you. Yeah, and I'm, I think Sean and I are both willing to work on, you know, making sure our schedules can accommodate whatever with the majority of the committee can do. So yeah. Okay. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Okay, so that. So I will, I will relay that information back by email, including if we come up with a revised schedule and we will post it. So any other comments before I open it up for public comments. Phoebe. Yeah I just had a question. When we were looking at the massings that you guys had done there were a couple mentions of of the. Oh God now I'm going to forget the name of it. The conversations that had taken place about the outdoor learning that kind of stuff. I'm wondering if that is a conversation at some point that comes to the committee or is done somewhere we can hear it I'm just interested in. What kinds of things the school system itself and unfortunately of course Mike isn't here at this moment so I'm, you know, missing my opportunity to say this in front of him but maybe what we're thinking about in terms of what those spaces will be used for. And, and who we're getting that level of information from I think that, you know, teachers administration is fantastic I'm wondering if there are any parents also that are involved in that kind of, you know, what we're thinking about using them for. I can just chime in a little bit we met with several staff, the, the staff that focus on outdoor learning or science engineer all of that, including Mike, Mary Kylie. I don't remember if Tammy was there or I know Allison wasn't there but you met Jennifer to Jennifer. And they were very helpful and explaining how they currently use the space, what could enhance the programs. Similar to what Angelica was saying how much they really use the outdoors. Now more than they did, you know, two years ago, and we absolutely will bring to the committee. It was an initial discussion we like this we don't want amphitheaters we want it to be flexible. So we can certainly, and we would of course bring it to the committee to show what the plans are for it. But it's really exciting. Some of it we have to do anyway because we have to manage storm water on site so we're just going to be incorporating some some of the educational curriculum into the site. I have one more question. Sorry, separate topic. The CPA application that went in that we got the email about but also I think Maria mentioned it at our at last Friday when we were at Fort River. Is that something that we, I know when we had talked about it as a committee, there was other documentation that needed to go in and is that something that we will talk about something that we will look at that we're part of in any way. I, PB, I'll give you on off the cuff, and then I will do more work on this when when group anybody whether it's the town or resident group applies. The CPA group is going to ask for the recreation department so that whatever category you apply in whether it's history or open space or recreation. Or that group's view of it, you know, and ranking. So some of the information they may need. I was getting from Dinesco on how much of the field work is not the school, you know, so the, the amount of dirt the drainage so I have some of that information that Dinesco was pulling together for for this that. I'll have to report back to you because that's the questions that the Community Preservation Act committee will be asking, you know, on what what's the basis for your numbers. What's the justification and Tim sent me. We had seen them but some pictures of flooded fields. So if you were, if you wanted to know what a field under water look like, here's a picture of it, you know, so you know why we need to do this so. So, but our committee wouldn't be normally asked about it as much as the town and these others and then what else it's competing with. That's the way the review system goes they need a report back from the category. So, you know, conservation, or wherever they would probably even need a wetlands. I don't know what pieces but CPA works through that as a process when it comes in a category so I will try to pull together something that I can report back on, and that goes through all the fall, you know it doesn't come back as a final decision to the end of the fall. And can I just add quickly, there will be a public hearing on it as well so anybody who wants to go and voice support for it in front of the CPA committee can. There will be a public hearing sometime in November as well or maybe early December, but we can share that calendar with this committee in case they want to follow along. I think it would be great I mean I think if we can get funding elsewhere that kind of benefits us. So you know if we can. It's all from the taxpayers. CPA tax as well so it's, it kind of shifts where it is but it's, you know, it's still sort of locally funded. I think it's a state contribution to that as well which is good. So yeah so what I'm going to put it open for public comment but I want everyone to know who didn't raise their hand to be on the, what we're calling it the ad hoc design subcommittee or working group. I'm going to let everyone know about the meeting times and if you want to come to it if it works on your schedule to continue this looking at massing and rotating. So we are now open and Sean or Paul has brought the first person in Rudy you are here with us. I think all you need to do is unmute talking to me I disappeared from here. This is Rudy. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Great. Thanks so much. Just a couple of things. Does this shift in the schedule affect the timing of the debt exclusion vote do we have hard constraints on that that we have to meet or else like shift to hold six months or something I don't I don't remember that and at some point if you all can address that, or take that into account. It looked like there was an overhang in one of the massing designs and overhang of the media room over the open space under the by the cafeteria door and I don't remember that being that way before maybe it was and I just didn't see it. There are some good points by Rupert and a couple of the architects who joined that overhangs are sometimes problematic from an energy and frozen pipes and others and construction standpoint. So I wonder if we want to rethink that if that's going to be part of the window boxes on the south side of the school I don't know how many of you have pressed your face to the glass of a window. I don't want to see down other lengths of the building, or two things that you couldn't see straight out the window, but I think that's a really common thing. And it looks to me like boxing the windows that way obstructs those lateral views from the window, and maybe some light and I wonder if we want to rethink that I know these are alternative things but I would be disinclined to put that kind of obstruction on the views from the windows. And I think that were my main points I'm glad you're looking at the CPA application obviously and I wonder if maybe there should be some time on your agenda to talk about that a little more in a coming meeting. Thanks. Thank you Rudy. Chris, you were with us if you want me. That's better. I just want to repeat something which I submitted a couple weeks ago and writing. I have been grappling with it personally a the need to deal with re roofing underneath an array a solar array of that I own. And, and it worked out that I mean it seems that, well, here's the deal this is a tune riddle architects, we had we built 15 years ago. We put up a solar array 15 years ago on a roof that we put down 30 15 years ago. I've been thinking of the solar array as having a kind of a 30 year useful life. The roof though is a membrane roof and it had a 15 year useful life and that has expired and it's leaking. And so we had, we have to remove the array and reinstall it so that it can be re roofed. And that's very expensive. Turns out many numbers of thousands of dollars that would will effectively make that solar away. And that's one cost effective. We would probably will probably decide to just take it off and put the roof on and not put it back on again because the cost to remove and replace is so high. I'm calling that that that's my problem and you don't have to worry about it but it is a problem that probably applies to many solar arrays put over membrane roofs in all around the world. And I wonder, can we, we are we getting ourselves in that same bind. It will work out that the lifespan of our solar array is really can can determined by the lifespan of the roof underneath it. And so I wanted to warn the committee about that that dynamic. And maybe it does, it might do two things it might be. It suggests that maybe ground mount solar might be more cost effective than roof mounted solar. And it certainly seems like that solar on solar on solar on canopies over parking lots will not will not face that problem. And, and so maybe is there a way to keep all of our solar on the ground or on on parking lot. That's my general anxiety. The solar collectors put over membrane roofs with short lifespan that short lifespan tends to tends to make the lifespan of the collectors shorter also. Thank you. Thank you Chris. I think our next is that correct. Yes, you are. Well, thank you. I continue to be so grateful to all of you for the work and the design team as well just a couple of comments on the 3D models. The observations on the fourth model that the that the slope roof the combination of the slope and mass slope and flat roofs has a, I think a positively interesting effect on the massing and I think doing that slope roof at the western end which is the aspect of the building that is, I guess most prominent and needs to be most prominent is the best place to put it so I thought that was a very good idea that felt to me like a good design solution direction, because it added, I think, measurably to the interest and I agree with Mike to about it, emphasizing the, and identifying the entry location more effectively. So I think about those big color frames around the windows, not for the same reason as Rudy, but because they just seem so big. Yes they're introducing color and I think that's nice and vitalizing for an elementary school building, but I think the scale of them diminishes the intimacy of the building. So I think the, the way in which color has been interested, for example, in the Maria Hastings school where it's panels, spandrel panels between windows or other ways that is equally prominent but less intimidating in scale. I think is a better way to go. That's just my view. And I have comments on CPA, but Kathy I'll email on directly to you, because I think it's just more mechanical and share those thoughts with you and you can share them with whoever else you think is relevant. So thank you all very much. Maria. Thank you. I'm going to comment with two hats on first is as a user of the community fields. A group of us users met and talked about what would be ideal situations and I think that the ideas that came out of that were around consolidation this was a lot of it because of ultimate in their long narrow fields and the fact that they use four of them. We also shared ideas with among the soccer community. And for softball. I mean, right now there are three softball fields at the Fort River site. And what I would like to share is that I think that there are ways to accommodate all of these interests with including that have obviously the kids and the school. And by using this consolidation and by having a slightly larger north south dimension on that on on the fields to the north by shifting things to the south, we really much appreciate the opportunity to have a back and forth discussion. Designers and with committee members. I think that this would, this is the kind of thing that is better done in a conversation. For example, I don't think that the PV panels that are on the parking lot are really so much of a problem for softball. They are very far to the side and would be the same no matter which, if the infield was in the north is. So, if we could have some time to talk about this perhaps at one of the design meetings that I think would be beneficial to all I think. The other thing I'd like to comment on is as one of the authors of the CPA application, we would very much hope to have the support of the school building committee in our application. To try to reduce the overall cost. Yes CPA funds are taxpayer money but as I'm sure Sean knows, we're talking about a debt exclusion override that we can decrease on and that's going to be direct to taxpayers and it would relieve their direct burden. So, I think that having CPA funding for this portion of the project would be beneficial and I hope that the committee is also looking at other ways to decrease the debt exclusion override burden with other funding sources. The other thing about the application is that not only is it looking at the fields, but we also applied to have lighting included and a comfort station. And again, a conversation with the designers and the committee would be beneficial to see how we could best accommodate that and we would appreciate the opportunity to meet with you around those issues. One other thing about the infield I think this would be a good opportunity to speak with having somebody from the phys ed department at the schools because that that infield can be used by the kids as well for kickball for them to play baseball or softball. Thank you very much. Thank you, Maria. I think. I think that. That is the number of people for public comments I don't see any other hands thank you Paul as co-host for bringing them in. Are there any other final comments. I think not. I, you know, I have received Bruce. It's send in I just got it yesterday but he sent in some pictures pretty vibrant pictures of buildings that school buildings and other buildings that use different color bricks to create patterns. I think that's it. I think that's it. I'm just sending them on to the full committee as part of this. And I do, I want to assure everyone if, if I get something that just comes directly to me. It goes to designers and it goes to everyone to the extent I am paying attention to my emails, which sometimes I don't. We will get scheduling out including next week's Friday meeting of what we're calling the design subcommittee, and it will be another site visit so it was really helpful to be able to walk the site last time. And I was corrected by calling them drainage dishes to start calling them swales. But, you know, Angelica, even if you wanted to join for part of it trying to get a visualization of where is this building going to be relative to each of the other pieces. I just thought it was really helpful and it, we can't easily have our committee meeting be in person because we don't have any viable way of having the public come in. We don't have a the only building we have that can do zoom meeting and and meet is the town room, you know so it's set up to be able to do that. So, I think I'm ready to adjourn but I say Phoebe's hand is up. I just wanted to second what you were just saying Kathy, I want to encourage anybody, whether it's on the committee or in the public who has questions about spacing. It was hugely hugely helpful for me last week to be able to actually physically see I think the designs, while beautiful do no justice to the size of the site. So even for things like how much green space is going to be where being able to stand there and see well this is where the building is wow look at all that space to that side that we have was incredibly helpful in being able to orient myself to realize how much room we actually have. So, I would encourage anybody that if we're, if we're doing it. Next week to be present if you can be. So, so thank, thank you everyone and thank you design team. Kim, I know that some of these were videos so if you can figure out how to send me something to post so that someone and I particularly I have as a counselor I have a community event on Sunday, and I'll just grab a couple pictures to say we're starting to look at 3D so and even if you just make a chart of a few of them to say where we are we have an ability to start bringing this out just to say we're at an exciting phase that would be great. Okay, I can do that. Everyone knows I think that we post minutes. Margaret is going to or I will, if you want me to attach the minutes to the file I will do it for the last few meetings but otherwise it's always in our packet up on the web. So, the minutes are there. Donna Kathy yeah just just to the videos is it okay just to forward them to Angela, and she can just include them as part of the minutes they're like. No, absolutely. Okay, anyway, anyway to the send people want to go back and look at them. You know I just didn't know Tim because you were switching back and forth from what looked like just pure charts to video so. I can send both I can I can give you a video and there's a slide deck that has the first image of each video so. I don't want to put you to a lot of time work so just whatever is really easy for you would be great. So, thank you. Thank you everyone and we are adjourned at 1007 so Paul can run outside. Thank you very much.