 Welcome to Toffie TV, we've got an ebiton legend in the studio, Derek Manfield, a last time you were here. So it happened? So it happened, so that's why we brought you in, cos it's been a bit quiet. We're hoping it's going to be a shine on today as well. It's been a bit quiet and we're just thinking, breath digs in, and there might be a knock on the door. That was a nod day, that. We never expected it, but all of a sudden it was funny, it was good. Go to have some like you here, so we could go over it. I mean, to be fair, we would have had, you know, be full up off gall of that in the world. You know boys, you don't pay enough to keep me a boy sick. I know, I know. The rest of the world called to be fair. I was going to say, to be fair, you've had the fantastic six months going on. But just look, the weather is now superb. I go away in the winter when it's not that good, you say, to get the weather. I've got to keep this tantud up, so I'm not going to say. I'm going to say, yeah. That's it. So yeah, that happened. What have you made of evidence since that happened? Um, in one word, I think it's chaotic. We made the decision. We got rid of Cooman, and I expected something to happen really quickly. And we didn't. We dilly'd, we dally'd, we messed around. We gave on to the job and offered to Dave. He did a good job, but I don't think he's cut out to be a Premier League manager just yet. And then all of a sudden we lose at Westam and it's all, oh, we've got to get on. Someone comes in and the rest is history. And I've never seen or known a manager to be as disliked by a group of fans, as Sam Ardass was. It was, it was hard to understand why the reaction was to what it gave him, but I can see why it was. He was, you know, he was, he was the one that was chosen to keep us in the league. So they thought high up. We weren't going to get relegated. We had too much in our squad to get relegated. But football was a bit negative. His comments, no one, no one appreciated his comments. It was always, well, we've worn on very good and we've lost it to the players for, that's the way I took it. But when I listened to the comments after the season finished and he didn't come out for the lap of honour because he had media commitments. And then listened to him on the, on the telling the Monday night talking to the legends, you're Jim White. I'm saying not more about Jim White. And yeah, I'm going to beat Farad on Wednesday and they're going on the holidays. I knew everyone knew the turn of his voice just said he's gone. He doesn't care. He's got a wheelbarrow full of money. He's not bothered. But we've now come to a massive. I think we've got to do it right now. We've made changes from the top all the way through the structure now. We've got with Steve Wall, Sam Aradais, we've got a new director of football who I know nothing about and managers come in who don't know an awful lot about. And we've got to wait and see now and hope that the structure change from the top filters through and we start doing things properly. We haven't done things right in our club for a few years now. If you look at the record for our managers over the last, say 20 years since Ken Matt was in charge, we had two, possibly three with Walter Smith and then we had David Moyes, Denny Broughton, Marginis in the last two years or three years since Farad Achieve is taking control. We've had three managers. Stroke four. Did you do that? So obviously from having that stability, we were known as a stable club when now here's some balls. Let's juggle and see what comes out. And we've got to go waiting that again. We've got to get back to that stability because when we're a stable club, any club that's stable progresses well. And when you're not stable and there's things juggling around and people are worried, you don't progress as much. And we've just sort of gone backwards quite a bit in the last two years for me. So this summer is a massive summer for us. You know, we've made though. I said all those changes now come in. I said Marco Silver's being at Watford and Hull. Let's see how he does at us now. It's a big club. The expectation from the fans now has changed again over the summer. I just hope now that we can hit the ground running. Be positive. Let's get the fans behind the team because they weren't behind the team or the club last year. It was quite toxic at times, atmosphere of Goodersham Park. Even at the way games, but they've got the way games, it's quite toxic. And I don't want that. I want the fans behind the team, behind the club. Because that's what you want your fans to be there. You don't want that negatively in the back of the fans' heads every time they go to a game. You've obviously played and you've played at Goodersham. Just how much? Because me and Peth have done videos on it. We spoke about what impact we can have as a supporter group. From your perspective as a player, because I remember talking to Adrian and he was like, Goodersham can be hard to play at some time. How much does it actually affect the players? Or how did it affect the teams that you play then? Well, when I get in the first team in 1983, by the time we got to Christmas 83, I'd only played 12, 30 in games in the first team. We got booed off on Boxing Day, we got booed off on Cushing's, Shucked at Me on New Year's Eve, Goodwill Junior. I'm thinking, oh, I used to sing songs on the terrace. Now I'm chucking the cabbie. Two days later we go to Birmingham. We win 2-0 and we don't lose for 20-odd games. And the atmosphere changes so quickly because it's hard to take when you're doing your best, you're trying to do the best on the pitch. And it doesn't always work for you. You can have the best preparation and be like a rubbish. You have the worst preparation and be top class. If I get wound up now, I see players not trying. And guarantee in the mid-80s, when we were struggling, we were all still trying not hard to turn it round. And all of a sudden something goes and it turned around. This could be that little clip moment now this summer. This could be that clip moment. But Goodlison can be very, very hard to play in front of, if you're not doing well. What about when they're behind you? Oh, it's fantastic. You know, people talk about the best game, the best atmosphere is by Munich in this semi-final. I've never known Goodlison rock like that for a long, long time. It was magnificent. All the Derby games, all the Man United games, the ground was out before it was out. It was superb. But by Munich, just Goodlison part rocked that night. It was fantastic. And when the crowd are with you, you come out and you feel on top of the world. You know they're there. But the moment I think the fans' players are going, may I make one by parcel then I go. And it affects you, it does affect you. If the fans aren't with you, it does affect the players. And we've all been there. Goodlison part can bounce. It's a great place to play football. But over the last couple of years, it's not been a nice place to play football. And I think the players have suffered because of that. Because they're worried about what the fans are going to make a bad pass. Oh, here we go again. And it changes so quickly at the moment. Do you think obviously you're an Evertonian and, you know, watch our other video, Bob Derek's career. But you're obviously a local lad on an Evertonian plane in the team. What do you make of the likes of Tom Davis, who's obviously an Evertonian, a local lad? People, some people I think are a bit more critical of them because he's a local lad. Will he feel it? Do you think he'll feel it more because he's a local lad? Or like what about you in your experience? Did you feel more of a, like not a responsibility, but did it mean a bit more to you because you were a blue? Or when you've got that kit on and you go out and you've just played the game as a professional? As a local boy in Evertonian, you're just pleased to put the shirt on, come out to say, because I'm playing good at St Park. You want to do your best every time. I think with Tom Davis, he came in and he had such a good start with Everton career. He looked like he's going to progress on. But he's stalled. He's definitely stalled. His career has stalled big style over the last 12 months. Whether that's the manager going, new manager not liking youngsters, which became pretty obvious at one stage. But what he's got to do is got to go away and he's got to readdress what he wants to do. Tom Davis can be the player Tom Davis wants to be. I came into Everton. I was a young kid. I came to Everton in 1990 and I spent a year in learning and trading the reserves. Then I got the opportunity. And when you get that chance, I wasn't giving my shirt away to anybody. I was going to keep it as long as I could because we were in a small squad. We had 15, 16 tops. Now you've got, we had a budget 38 pros last year. You've got a name of 25 men's squad. Players are happy to be rested. We didn't want to be rested. We wanted to play because we knew everyone knows about the money now. But we had a basic wage and we lived on bonuses. The payments fees, sponsors fees, wind bonuses, gold bonuses, positions in the league. So we lived on our bonuses nowadays. Is the motivation there to play every week when you're getting a nice little wedge every week regardless where you are? And I think that's where some of the younger football players can say, you know, maybe I've got a little bit too much, too quickly. Maybe the club should be bringing people and say, right, instead of giving you 40 grand a week, we're going to give you 10 grand a week. But at 30 grand, we're going to put in a trust fund for you. When you get to 30, it becomes yours. You know, because what can a player at 18, 19 do with 40 grand a week? Well, yeah. And that's the difference. I think sometimes we need better financial rise for the youngsters to take that pressure off them because we all know what they're earning. You know, when I played knowing what we were earning, I didn't know what the teammates were earning. If you got more than me, well done. If I got more than you, try better next time. I think nowadays with the advent of the world of football, the media and everybody else and the source closest to the player, the agent, everybody knows what the players are earning. And I think that that can be a bit more pressure on a youngster that, God, he's earning 20 grand a week. He's only 18. You know, I didn't earn 20 grand in the first two years at 11. And that's the difference. It's a different game now. But there's that pressure as well, isn't there, to be the finished article? Now, everyone, because like you just said, you're on TV all the time or you've been perceived of media as soon as you get into the first team. No one allows you to have that drop-off anymore. There's doesn't... You said that. You look at, I use myself, for example, I use Ian Rush, for example, Ian Rush came from Liverpool, from Chester. Chester, yeah. I came from Tram, here, to Everton. He was sort of 300 grand, I was 30 grand, but we spent a year, a year and a year in the reserves, learning on new trade at this new high level of football. But nowadays, Lookman is a prime example. He comes having a blinding season from Charlton for 12 million. And we're expecting to walk straight in from Charlton's first team into Everton's first team. And it's a different level up there. And I think that's where some of the kids struggle. The big move, and it's hard for them to move from London to Liverpool and then settling straight away. Maybe we need more of an arm round their shoulder and a bit more guidance, but we expect everyone who's coming for a big money to be ready to play first team football. And sometimes they're not. Even European players are. We've seen that European football we've brought in. You know, sometimes they're not quite ready to play first team football in the Premier League from where they come from. But they haven't got that time to go away and learn it and become part of it. We need him in the first team because you're paying a classing example, 24 million quid, was it? You know, he's struggled big style this year. Sandro Ramirez, 5.5 million, struggled. Why are they struggling? Are they homesick? Have they not got the language? Has no-one took them under their arm and say, you know, come round to my potato. Move. You know, sometimes ready the players need to come together a bit more and help these players who've come for big money who are struggling to find the feet at the club and the level of play now. Is that now the task that massive brands of silver have got? Is to create that because I think you're right I mean, I think for those players it was like just chaos last year because all these players coming at once. Now, a lot of those players have had time to settle or maybe, you know, maybe released by the club. Do you think it's one of the prime things they've got to do is say, lads, we're in this together going to build a team spirit. You zone now where we're going. Some of yous will be with us. Some of yous won't. But we'll be in it together because I think that's what's been missing last year or so. If you look at England at the moment, what Garasai's going to do is I think is fantastic. He's developed in a culture of, don't get who you're playing for, wearing this together. Wear one big team and you can see it in the training. You see it after the game. You can see somebody getting that camp that Southgate has developed over the last six to eight months. And I think that's whatever it needs to do. You need to develop that togetherness. I think when we played we used to go out drinking together. We'd sit at the coach going from games drinking together. Nowadays, is that culture there? Do they go out for drinks together or do they get in the car and go back to the house and sit in the house? And that's the difference. Football has changed that much We were out, left out of the pub till all hours on a Saturday night. But mobile phones are killing it. People have a camera and go click. Look what I've seen. Oh, look a video. And I think there's a fear culture in the players now of being caught doing what they shouldn't be doing. People still get caught. They're going to get caught. We're human beings. They need that little bit of downtime. But they can't have it now because people are looking for the story. All the papers are a little bit have you seen someone winning this number? So they're always fearful of what they're doing. And I think they're advised not to go and do this. But I don't think the team spirit is there like it was when we played, you know, at the same Aston Villa, same at Wolsey. The spirit was brilliant. We were all in that little group together and yeah, I was quiet when I was evident. But other players were more lively same at Wolsey. But you come together as a team and you do things together. You go away and talk together. You have a laugh and a joke. I just wonder whether the players have that same camaraderie that we used to have in the 80s. Which was, I look at Liverpool from 74 onwards for about 16 years. They had that spirit was super together. I look at that team. We appeared again to look at the team in the late 70s. Their team spirit was fantastic. And we had that same spirit Everton for four years. You know, and that's what I don't see in the clubs any club at the moment. I don't see that same spirit at the moment. But Southgate, Lingland now because we've got players from all over the control of the different clubs. He's trying to get that spirit. I think you're doing a great job. And that's just Marshall Brands, Markel Silver, whoever comes with Silver and his backroom staff. Can they develop that spirit? Can they do something a bit different? What do you do to get to me? One boys, we're going to go away for three weeks. But we're going to have two nights on the pistol gun. Fucking smashed it, he won't tell if you still have a laugh on a joke. Have a fight. Have an argument. Get out of the system. You know, it might be what they need. Because people are so frightened now of making mistakes. They make too many mistakes. Because they're too nervous. But maybe they just need to get away, have a few beers, and get it all out. Get the homestress out and say, you're crap. You're not doing it. That might be what they need. But I think two players are too scared now. They're too frightened, I think, to do and say things in case they upset people. Sod it. Peter Reid didn't give a monkey upset them people. And I didn't have a self-drown degree. Kevin Ratcliffe. You know, we upset people and we've got the best out of people about upset them sometimes. Yeah. Definitely. Yes, well. Well, when the boys are quiet. But I think if you look at like, most definitely, and we're cumin. Yeah. I don't think there was any. I don't think there was any culture there, any. I don't think the turnover helps though. The amount of new players that ever have had in the last two years. You've got to foster that. Teams. But that's the one thing, and I shared this to you last week, I think, all the week before. David Moyes was brilliant at that. Whether people like Moyes or not, that team was to getting you that elected Cail, you know, dung for a bit. See, me was always there, wasn't it? Even Tim Abbott. Tim Abbott was in on it, you know, when you've got him. Osman, David, I'm not saying the fabulous footballers on me, but the new. And everyone was together, so everything got results that they probably shouldn't have. I can say, Sam, when I went to Billow in 1988. Yeah. In the second season there, 89, 90, Graham Taylor developed such a good team spirit. We nearly won the league. We nearly won the league, yeah. You know, and people got this thing about Graham Taylor being a, but he wasn't born. And he was the life and soul of the party. He'd take us away on weekends away left, right and centre. He must have done 15 weekend breaks, had to football, come back on the Tuesday. Every, do four or five a year. Right. After the game with Santa, boys bring it back, we're going somewhere else for four days. See you love to rock. And he'd take us away. And we do stupid games in the, in the, in around the hotel. His favourite one's given you, given a playing card. Everyone got a playing card. It was always marked. He knew it was yours. We didn't know he'd mark them. Yeah. And I woke up and you haven't let it. You've got to show me your card. So imagine 12 boys in the sauna or the jacuzzi out comes a card. He goes, you know, but he fought at that spirit by doing that. We used to go to Pontyns. They were sponsored, they were sponsored at the central league. We'd play carpet bowls. You know, but we had a laugh doing it. And that was to think we were together, but we were doing stupid things that Peter wouldn't do now. And that's the difference. I don't think the players now would ever think carpet bowls. Oh, too low for me. I'm not doing that. But that's what it was. It was about developing that I have to do that things to get that team spirit. Yeah. You can't just go. Come on, boys, look out for me. I'm going to San Carlo for me. And you go. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See you boys. Now we were stupid things. I mean silly things. Like drinking in Carribean, in the middle of the Caribbean when we found White York in 89. You know, getting one like so drunk he couldn't even get back to the hotel. Because he was spiking his drinks and that fosters that. That fosters all the spirit you're doing. I looked back at the church whatever and some of things singing songs in bars pre-season in Departivo. You know, all together singing songs. I don't see it now because the players don't want to do that because they're trying to get in court. I'm being put in a difficult position. We didn't give them monkeys. But the difference is it's now 27 media. I'm looking at yourself, boys. You've got your own show now. It's 20 national media. It's radio. It's TV. And now I've been to mobile phones and cameras on them. You could be photographed from 20 feet, 30 feet, 200 yards away in a compomite doing something drafting and your stuff. But you know, I just hope now that over the summer now Marcel Brands, Marco Silva and the crew can foster a spirit that sees us move on. It might take six months to do it. But in the current climate demand is to get more than six months. That's the problem. You know, we expect instant success and that's not just it's every club in the country now. And we've got to have a mind you now for the next five or six or seven years because we've got a long time plan but the stadium, we need stability. With the stadium, we need stability. We need to get it right from the top to the bottom and keep it going now for five or six or seven years. And if it means David Marco Silva, like we do with David Moyes, but 11 years, we need to do it. So it's just patience from everyone really, isn't it, required? I think it is. It's going to take time, Oped, because what happened last year really, really has turned a lot of fans not against the club, but they're not fully with the club. We've still showed the season tickets. We'll have 20 odd days 30,000 season tickets, but they'll all go first game of this season going, here we go again. And we've got to get right on that field of playing how to get the fans back on our side. Because the fans, you can only say that I reckon 80% of the fans were against the club last season. This is some of the chance I heard in when I went last game of the season, the Southampton game, was it when we were? Was that against the, would you say that was against the club or just against the Aladais though? I think Aladais is part of the club. It's not now. I think it was a lot of people negative towards them. Yeah. Towards the whole set up. Yeah. You know, you go on a sat there or midway, and you see the team and you go. And you, once you see, once you've been the team an hour or four, if the fans go, it's going to be the same again. Let's go and sit down. And they go, and people start slagging players off before the games even kicked off. Yeah. And that was that. That's been that. That's been good us now for about three or four years for me. It's been that negative. Get rid of that negative. He took it away now lads. For next season, go to Goodersham Park and sing, get behind your team. And that will help the lads. It will help the lads. I tell you, no end up will help the lads if they just get behind them. Instead of that negative mentality walking into the ground. You're honest. It's been there for two, three years now for me. The negative feeling about going to watch Everton play. Oh, it's definitely maybe longer. Yeah. It needs to change. Well, that's it. It needs to. It needs to change. The fans need something to grab hold of now. And we thought we'd got it when Cooman first came and then we brought and we failed. And you know, Sam was never going to get, but we've now got a fresh chance and a fresh start. So first home game of the season, we've got to go there and we've got to get behind the team for the minute you walk in that ground and not have any negative vibes because it might take six months. But if you're behind the team, the team will pick up far quicker. It'd be all right. You've got a free ticket because it's at Wolves. It is. That's the first home. Well, wait, I didn't do the first home game, didn't I? But yeah, you know. For now, I might go to Molyneu. I might go down. I might see you. Be a soft game, Molyneu. It won't be easy. I did a piece of a while ago when it came out, I said, it won't be easy. But what about Wolves? They've got some good players, but we're evident. We're evident. We're not Wolves. We've got to go to Wolves and say, where the Premier League team here? You're the new boys. You've got to show you what we can do. Wolves have got some twice last season. The manager is excellent. He's got a really organised team, a disciplined side, everywhere knows your jobs. Nevez looks fantastic going forward. He'll cause issues, but will he stay there? You know, anyone has a good season. Price tag goes up. Make an offer. But we're evident. We've got to go to Molyneu first game when he's here saying, set your standard. This is what we're going to do. We're going to show you how good Everton are now. What about the cutting crop of defenders? Ffynnys Mawdy's just gone. Yeah. Jags is, well, I don't want to say he's in his last year because he's been in his last year about four years, but... He's been our most consistent defender. Yeah. What about Keane? Because obviously he's missed out on the World Cup. He started the season as the open common promising player and, to be honest, he had a very disappointing... Oh, he was. Let's be honest. I mean, what does he have to do now this season to really get himself back to where he was? He's got to think his price tag's only £3 million, not £30 million. I think the price tag weighs heavy on players nowadays. I really do think. Did he get enough guidance from the people around him, from the manager, from the staff? We know what he can do. He looks like he's a defender, but at a time he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing. You know. People say, were you with the same? Yeah, I might have been the same at times. Brad, I had a team around me that helped each other. Yeah. And the team around him I'm not helping anybody. And he'd think about it, one minute it'd be him and Jags, then it would be him and Williams, then it'd be him, Williams and Jags, then he might have Funes Mori there and he might have Coco Martinez and he might have... He never once got a settled back line. Yeah, yeah. And I say it at a time, my strength when I came in the 30 minute event was we had a settled team. We never changed the back full. Yeah. The back four stayed solid so you got to know each other and then you build from there. Otherwise it's fair seven games. You never changed the back four once. No. I mean once five or something. Once you start tinkering, what happens? We start conceding goals. Yeah. And I always say the back line is where you start from. You work on your strength, you keep your back line. If you start conceding goals, you never lose a game. You don't have a draw the game. But when you conceding goals you constantly chopper and changing your back four, your back four, back five wherever it is. I think it doesn't... It hasn't helped Michael Keane at all. I think he can defend. He's a good player. But there was the price tag too heavy for him was the the chopper and change of the team was the constant negative criticism of him. Did it get to him? Did someone... I'd love some. I'd love some. I'd love some. Come here, come. Let's have a chat. Come. Take your way and say what's your issues. What's your thoughts? Are you... Yeah, I'm doing this. Right. Find out what is going on. Does anyone talk to him? Does anyone actually talk to these players nowadays? You know, we... I was talking to them there about what was Mickey like. I had Mickey and Everett and Dennis Booth at Villa. They were the two jolly men we called him. How would I go? Mickey and he go, God, lad, let's have a laugh and a joke. And he take one and pick it up again. He needs someone to pick it off the floor. I've ever had someone to pick it off the floor and take it... Have a laugh with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dennis Booth and Sue Berger, Graham Taylor would come down so heavy on certain people. After I laid to Dennis Booth, got him and taken away for a walk around the corner. Find out what's up with him. Yeah. What can we do to help you? What's your need? Yeah. And I think sometimes when the current crop of blaze with the money that's going on in the game at the transfer fees, the wages, the expectation levels, I think sometimes there's too much weight on the shoulders. And Michael... I think Michael Keane's suffering because of that. You know, I think he had too much, too quickly last season. We expect him to be in the World Cup and do this. And he struggled. But I don't think... I don't... Asher will has helped him. No. I don't think play alongside Jags and Williams at the same time. I think once he got alongside Jags, he looked a bit more... He looked a bit more solid. I just don't think that people... I don't think Williams will ever be a leader. I thought he was when he came. But I don't think he is a leader. And I think he hasn't helped that Michael Keane. Blayton Bayne's getting into Darnelton because Cucko Martina is playing there. You know, and then you've got John Jo Kenny that side and then we're going to change it. And I just think we chop and change the team too much nowadays and it doesn't help. I play like Michael Keane who maybe needs that stability being the same the same back four week after week. And you look at England now, they're not going to change their back three. They're going to stay like that for the rest of the tournament I feel. And they're working on it. It's a working progress thing. But you can see the confidence coming out certain players all the time. Hanif y Gwia. You know, what we need is a left footed left centre back now. We haven't got one. But my Gwia... Funny enough, my Gwia... I mean, we spoke about this last season when it was... I would have gone for Keane on my Gwia. I thought it was a no brain at the time. But my Gwia didn't look a better player than Keane, but yet he's playing face choice on the wrong side. I know he played left side for Leicester, but he's not left footed. And yet he's playing and Keane is knowing near that squad and that just shows you. Where's my Gwia playing? Well, that's left side of a back three. At Leicester. Yeah, yeah. But he's a better alongside all the time. No idea. Where's Morgan? Where's Morgan? The same back four all the time doesn't change it. He's developed and playing there and he's come on. Michael Keane plays left side, then he plays right and plays centre. Then he's got... And that's what I'm saying. I don't think we've helped Michael Keane at all. As a club where we've played, we haven't helped him at all last season. I don't... We haven't helped Klasson. Yeah. No. You know, we haven't helped Keane. We haven't helped Sando. You know, we need someone who can look after the players. I know we've got psychologists in, but are they saying... Are they asking the right questions? Are they looking after him properly? I just think the players are... That there's too much on the shoulder. They need someone to go... If it's a former player who's been there and saying it, come on, what's up with you lad? You know, I had that on me. I did this, this, this, right? Let's go and do something now. But I just think the way of expectation now weighs heavy on players. But Michael Keane needs a solid same back four week after week. And I think we'll see the best of Michael Keane in years to come. What about Mason Holgate then? Because obviously he's got a big... Yeah, I think coming up for him. Because he strikes me as a leader. He strikes me as someone who is up for it. We've seen that in the Derby, at Amfield. He's not afraid to stick his elbow in and be strong. Well, he's not afraid to get involved. And... But I think this is a big season for him. Because I think... I'm not saying it's a make or break. I just think that it could be potential that another centre back comes in and takes that place for five, six years or whatever. You've got Keane in there. He could have a long term future. For me, he's got to make a claim this season. Do you think he's got it in him to do that? Again, I'm not sure. I don't know yet. He looks great and then he'll throw a couple of wobblers in. But that's just the youngsters are playing football. And then I did the same. I wasn't great every week. And now there was Rats or Gary Stevens. You're going to have poor games. But I think it depends on A, what formation Silver's going to play. And B, who he brings in to play alongside whoever comes. Whether it's Keane and A another or Holgate Keane and... I know we're looking to sign a new centre off another one. But I think it depends who comes in. But Holgate can, if he wants to, push on and progress. Because he played a lot of games at right back as well. He first came in the first team. He can play right, he can play left. I think he's got potential. But I think with all the youngsters, you've got to cut out those, I call them basic mistakes. The silly errors we make when they get a little bit too confident, a little bit too cocky. And they make daff mistakes. But I think he's got a chance. But I said it just depends on this summer's transfer activity, who we get in and who we get rid of. Rumors today, there's loads of people rumored again to go today, including Schneidlin. So it's a big summer for us. It's a big summer for Holgate, for Keane, for Davies, for Shami. Everyone's... It's a big summer for them now. Because this could be the start of summer forever. And if we get it right from the top, right through to the bottom. But Michael Keane, Mason and Holgate, why can't they be the two who stamp the mark and say, we want that centre off spot for the season and show the gaffer in pre-season what they can do? It's up to the boys. We could debate it all day. I do think they need an arm round there, but it's up to the lads how they do it. Now, they've got to say, right, we're going to show the gaffer how good we are. And we're not going to pass this opportunity up. But if the boys can do it, they've got the mental strength to do that. 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