 That is true actually, yeah. I never thought of it that way to be honest. If I didn't have to sit down today, I could go months and months or years, so you wouldn't realise. So when you go away, you've got decisions to make, don't you really? Yeah. Because now you know kind of things. Now I know. Do you think animals deserve rights? Oh my god, yes. What about cows? Oh, I don't know. If they had rights, we wouldn't be able to kill them and eat them. So do you agree that we shouldn't? I'd call the dogs. Yeah, I'd call the dogs. Here, let me give you this. Scan that. No one disagrees, eh? Like no one's trying to change my mind on it. They just must all accept veganism and animal rights immediately encoded into UK law. And just as the abolishment of slavery began here, the abolishment of animal slavery will begin here too. Seems like we've got over everyone's vote on our side. Which is good. Hey bro. I've seen you, am I? Have you? Yeah, nice to meet you. Oh yeah, you're a vegan? No, I'm a vegan. Do you agree with the sign? What do you think animals deserve rights? I think the way they treat it is not right. But me personally, I haven't been born into being a vegan, so I'm just used to eating meat at the time. Oh yeah, no, no, it's a different topic to what you personally do. You come sit down. Yeah. So the question is, do animals deserve human rights? Do you know like a little bit about human rights? Like the reason I can't kill you right now is because you've got human rights? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what will happen to me if I kill you? Well, it's not going to be good to do it. Oh good, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like if I enslaved you, took away your liberty against your will. Yeah. And used you for my own benefit, like I would also go to prison because you're protected under the Human Rights Act, yeah? Yeah. You're saying they should treat animals better? Yeah. Like some kind of welfare reform? Well, I don't know, it's one of those things that's like, I wouldn't, me personally, I couldn't go vegan, but I feel like the animals should be treated better still. Yeah, so when you say treated better, what do you mean? Like in the factories and stuff. In the factory farms? Yeah, the factory farms. Yeah. So do you think it's OK if we try to treat them better to kill them and eat them? Because that would violate their rights then. That's true, yeah, yeah. I mean, one of those things that's like, we're never going to be able to convert everyone, I don't think. You're never going to stop people from murdering and enslaving people, right? Which is why we have human rights laws. Yeah. We have human rights protecting us from people who just can't be reasonable. Yeah. Or that they just don't care and they will just, they will kill you, rob you, they will rape those people out there like that. So we need laws protecting humans, right? Yeah. Now if there were people being enslaved, would you say whip the slaves less or treat them a little better? But we'll still decapitate them and eat them in a burger, but just treat them a little better? Or would you say, don't enslave them, don't kill them, they deserve rights? That is true, actually, yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. I never thought of it that way, to be honest. What do us and animals have in common, do you think? Both have feelings. You can both, they're both, what's that word? Sentient. That's the one, yeah. Conscious? Yeah. Conscious. I reckon they still form relationships between themselves. So if I boot a dog, what is that like for the dog? Do they experience that? Are they going to scream? When you're standing in your dog's tail by mistake or whatever, when you're walking around the house or the foot or something, they scream because they can feel it. Yeah, so what happens to the dog matters to the dog? Yeah, exactly, yeah. Doesn't necessarily matter to you? No. And what happens to you when you leave here doesn't necessarily matter to me, if I don't know about it. It matters to you, which is why you deserve rights and why the dog also deserves a right not to be booted. Yeah. But again, they also deserve a right not to have the head cut off for a burger, right? Yeah. So I'm just asking for that for animals as well. I mean, I never thought of it that way, to be honest. Soak me up a bit, sir. I think it's one step at a time with people. Like, going from someone like me that's eating meat that whole life straight into being a vegan. That's a big jump, if you know what I mean. Every day, I'm not even every day using a burger or whatever, but every few days of having that, it's just part of your diet, really. Do you agree animals should have rights? Yeah, I think they should, yeah. So if they did have rights, you wouldn't be able to eat them anymore? No. But what about instead of going all the way to vegan, what about halfway in vegetarian? So do you know much about the egg and dairy industries, or? Well, I assume the animals aren't dying to give the eggs, are they? They don't die, they get slaughtered. I can give you a really, really quick explanation. So there's these hatcheries. They come from parent-breeders' sheds, and they're their mums and dads of the hens that will lay the eggs. So you get eggs, they hatch in a hatchery. The boys don't lay eggs, so they're useless. They're not for the egg industry, they don't want them. So they put them either in a blender or in a gas chamber and kill them straight away in their first day of life. The females will go out to farms, they'll be grown, and then they'll lay eggs, and they lay more eggs than they naturally would, because they've been selectively bred to. So they're pushing out an egg a day, put strain on their bodies, they start losing feathers, and you see them dying on their faces in these sheds, and free range is the same. It's just a big shed filled with birds. And when they're not producing enough eggs for the farmer at some point, usually about 18 months, they send them all to the slaughterhouse to be decapitated, chopped up into pieces, processed into processed meats or pet food. And the same with the dairy industry. Why do cows produce milk? Well, it's only for iron benefit. No, no, why do they naturally do that? Yeah, for their babies and stuff. So in order for them to produce milk, they obviously have to have had a baby, yeah? Because humans don't produce milk without having a baby. They need to be impregnated, the farmers forcibly impregnate them. They jack off bulls, actually, to get the semen out of the bull, or they use this big, like, dildo thing they put in the bull's arse, and they electrocute them to get ejaculated out of them. They take the semen and they stick their whole arm inside the arse of a cow to hold the cervix, and then they stick a pet puller semen into a cervix. They have a baby, they take the baby away straight away because they want the milk for us. She suffers a lot, then they can get lame, they can get limping, they can go down. But then they send them to a slaughterhouse for burgers as well. So those industries still violate, massive violation of animal rights. If you believe they should have rights. I think they should. If there were humans in place of the animals in that case, let's just say they had around the same intelligence and sentience as these animals, and they were actually humans. There are humans that are born this way. You wouldn't want that to happen to human beings in order to get eggs in milk, would you? No, no, definitely not. You would be consistent, you would say, I think that shouldn't happen to humans, but also for the same reasons it shouldn't happen to animals, yeah? Yeah. I think it just gets brushed over everyone's heads, really. I mean, it's not enough about it. You didn't know about it. You've only just educated me on it, but if I didn't have to sit down today, I could go months and months or years, and you wouldn't realise. But why don't you know? It's just not out there. The information is not out there. And why? I've not... Why do you think they don't tell you what I just told you? Because they don't want you to know, because then it puts them out of business, like all the farms and... Exactly. So it's a business. It is a business. It's not providing you with food like some humanitarian effort. No. You buy the eggs, they make money. Where do the animals' rights come into this for the farmer? They don't, do they? If you're a resource to me and I'm selling your body for my benefit, where do your rights come into the equation for me? It's all about this. Yeah. You're given that money. Yeah. Would you give me money if I was enslaving people and decapitating them? No, no, no one would. What about for a burger? Well, that's the only thing... What if it tastes really good? What if it tastes better than a beef burger? Yeah. And you just really like the taste? Would you do it? No. What if it was a little harder? What if it was a little inconvenient? And I was the most convenient source of these amazing burgers, and it was heaps cheaper? Would you do it? Would you give me the money? Because you're keeping me in business? I think people just need to be educated on it. Imagine you're on the front of a smoking package, you've got the lungs and stuff, awful images, but your farm food or anything like that, pigs, eggs, anything. It's just a chicken in a field or a cow in a grass field. They don't show where it actually is. So it's like the metrics. They show you what they want you to see. Yeah. But behind that labelling is something a lot more horrific. Yeah. But let's just say they were on grass. I had a bunch of happy animals and they're all loving their life. Yeah. And then I took them to a slaughterhouse and sliced their head off to eat their body. Do you think that that would be a good thing to do? A justified thing to do? No, definitely not. Just for like a... I'm talking about, because I want a sandwich that has chicken in it. Oh, I just want one. Is that all right? No, I don't think so. So when you go away, you've got decisions to make, don't you really? Yeah. Because now you know your kind of thing. Before you didn't know, you're kind of like just moving through life. Yeah, I mean, I think if you stop most people on the road, they're not going to know about, but I think a lot of them aren't educated about everything that's going on. Let's just say if everyone does something right, let's just say these people just keep eating meat. Now, you know. Let's just say no one knew that I had these people in my basement, but you did. Yeah. And all these people here kept buying off of me. But you knew. Do you think it's okay to keep buying off of me just because everyone else is? No, definitely not. You would stop. It's different when you don't know. Yeah, because you have less moral responsibility, don't you? Well, yeah, yeah, exactly. Do you know much about being vegan? Not too much. I know it's like, there's a lot. It's harder to, I feel like it's harder to actually find, like there's only select vegan restaurants and... Maybe you don't have to go to full vegan restaurants. Like you can go, so Bella and Talia there, they sell meat, but they've got a vegan option. Yeah. So when you buy that vegan option, you take that off the shelf, they replace it with more vegan food down the supply chain. But when you buy meat, they slaughter animals and replace it from factory farms and slaughterhouses, you know what I'm saying? It's about the creating the demand for what, you know, the impact you want to make. So, you know, the amount of animals that will die will be slaughtered, have their rights violated for you over your life. It's quite big actually. It's like in the thousands. But when you choose vegan food, you're making sure that doesn't happen on your behalf, you know what I mean? Here, let me give you this, man. I've been vegan 10 years, eh? Yeah. Yeah, 10 years. I think I've seen it on my TikTok or YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, Instagram. I went vegan when I got out of prison in 2013. November 1st, 2013, and I've been, yeah, I'm coming up to my 10-year anniversary. Scan that with your phone. This is what I tell people, man. Any supermarket you can get vegan stuff in, right? It's up here, right? It'll tell you where vegan, so you go full vegan, full vegan restaurant or vegan options. You can say, hey, man, I'm on HappyCast. How'd you get a vegan option here? And Subway, McDonald's, Burger King, all have vegan burgers in there. Vegan options. They go like the McLean thing, so I've seen that, yeah. Beyond Burger. Yeah. But you know now. I know, I know. And you agree animals deserve right. So when you, now when you do things that directly violate their right to lie, you've got more probability and... How old are you? 20. 20? Well, wish I knew this when I was 20, mate. Yeah. Yeah, I was a violent dude. I was drinking drugs, punching people, fighting violence, end up in prison. But when I got out, I was just like, what am I doing, man? I'm a supercrow, so I become sober and I realized what I was doing. Stop hurting people when I stopped hurting animals and that was my path. It's just getting out there though, isn't it? The story is like... Now what I do is I get it out to people. Yeah. And my impact is magnified. Yeah. And that can be you. You can do a lot of good. You can show a lot of people. There's a documentary called Land of Hope and Glory. It's in this card here when you scan it. And it shows you everything that happens to animals for eggs, milk, bacon, all these industries in the UK. It's all UK footage. And investigators go in there, leave secret cameras and watch the farmers at what they do when no one's watching. Really? So you'll be able to see for yourself. Yeah. It's the most disgusting I've ever seen in my entire life, bro. Yeah. It's the worst. And then you'll see how much they lie to you. Yeah. Like how much you've been lied to. I'll have to look into it. I'll scan it up later. Thank you very much. What was your name? Rory. Rory, good to meet you, Rory. Good to meet you, too. Take care, mate.