 I was a community organizer when I met Bernie and I organized a mayoral debate with low income community members and the incumbent mayor and Bernie was running. I didn't know him and he spoke and I thought he embodied everything I ever believed in. I, you know, I thought boy this is this I have to work with this person and I ended up working with him as director of the youth office and was able to really do some wonderful things in the city of Burlington with after-school programs, child care center, certified kindergarten, teen center, all those things are still going today started kids day but and a lot of other things newspaper, television shows but what I can tell you is the entire time I was working with him as the director of the youth office I'd come in with an idea and he'd say well that's a good idea was is it your idea? Well go out and talk to the kids and find out if that's what they want. He has always felt that no matter how expert we might be on something or or how well read what we need to do is make sure that we reflect the will of the people as public servants. He taught me that in 1981 and I can tell you 35 years after my original impression of him that assessment was right on he still embodies everything that I ever believed in he's never let me down he's never let the people of Vermont down he leads by example and he's the most principled man I've ever met and I am the luckiest woman in the world to be married to him so