 As a breakfast in plus TV Africa many thanks for being part of the show this morning. We start off with G.D. Johnson. He joins the conversation via Phone or zoom if you like to say this morning, and we're looking at the front pages of a national dealies We call it after-press G.D. Johnson is good to have you join us They pledged to be with you messy and go fiat with a lot of ideas already what good money Like before my correct. Good morning to G.D. Johnson All right, Boko Haram and Sarah terrorists now in Kaduna ever fire cries out That's the board caption for the leadership this morning confirms 360% killed in Kaduna in three months another for student kidnapped in Gideon Gidan wire and troops rescue 63 civilians kill 60 criminals as 1627 terrorists surrender victims family one against Kaduna train resumption and You also have quick notice video or an easy once against on guarded statement Statutory delegate non-assent to amend electoral act will affect primaries. This is what? the House of Representatives has quoted to say and After mayhem FCT minister shorts the dire market electoral act South courts to hear the shoot on weather pointers must resign to contest every don't know why this is You know a major bone of contention President Muhammad a Buhari inaugurates 200 I beg your pardon 23 billionaire water project in Bouchie and Gander J for straighted me out of APC Coral is quoted on that the headlines on the leash leadership this morning All right, let's go straight to the next newspaper. This is a daily independent terrorists now in two local government areas Of Katoona state governor L5 bandits kidnapped four female students So look at that when they play in a first segment On our main discussion more from the daily independent despite promotion Magus case still on this is coming from the minister of police affairs He says he will face prosecution if indicted by the salami panel Interesting at the top of that front page or caravan June 1 deadline won't stop enforcement. This is coming from the Lagos state government with a rider Riders police clash is no pun intended But I'm of course are talking about the clash in Ojo local government area of Lagos state PDP rejects tenor extension for FCT council chairman Counselors decries judgment vows to drag judge to NJC PDP rejects tenor extension for FCT council chairman Counselors decries judgment vows to drag Judge to NJC Buhari signs national health authority bill into law leaves for UAE Targets 83 million poor Nigerians for coverage Supreme court joins rivers AG speaker and suit against section 84 sub 12. This is of course the Electro Act 2022 Tension persists as a Booja traders lament market closure Police arrest suspected killers of inspector recover arms in emo and at the bottom of that front page I'm vying as Nigerian presidential aspirant not Northern aspirant is coming from law and those are the headlines on the front page of the daily independent All right away from the daily independence. We take a look at the punch newspaper this morning presidential primaries and certainty over apc PDP delegate list as boharie delays electoral act Uh, okay Nobody has exact number of delegates for presidential primary Vaughan digits quoted on that an apc begs inek for extension And inek is still saying we're not shifting grounds because third of june still remains The vice president's team denies hotel plan for delegates And legos airport shot temporarily flights divoted over managed I take that again Legos airport shot temporarily flight divoted over the man-girl cops on runway And federal government moves to end as a strike begins arrears payment Okay Can backs kumu you south is crusade acts ipop to embrace peace 29 state lack insurance cover for workers bencon is quoted on that You also find we must re-strategize for nigeria to change says, uh, the former president lushagon or basandro and uh Anambra gunman shun soludo 60 day peace offer continue reign of terror Planned resumption of trained service insensitive says abductees family And devolution of powers key to national development. Akira dolu is quoted on that 7256 Nigerian nurses left for the united kingdom in a year This is according to the report And you still find interesting headlines bought for the want of time. We'll just leave it at that Let's uh bring this to a berth with the headlines on the front page of the nation The leading one there pressure on apc governor's over tickets for senator's reps pressure on apc governor's over tickets for senator's reps akity 2022 sdp apc disagree over attack on all knees or on onis Running mate sdp apc disagree over attack on onis running mate. That's a former governor of uh, Akity state who had to decamp to the sdp ex-chairman predicts landslide victory for apc Our store last glory in education says pdp candidate interesting more from the paper l5 six wiping out of communities on kaduna abuja highway 360 killed 1389 kidnapped in three months Tinibu to bouchie a bouchie delegates You with you i will win tinibu to bouchie delegates with you i will win of course a minister of transportation Rotimi and michi who is also presidential aspirant On the platform of the apc had been there as well seems bouchie is um the toast of the presidential aspirants salamis panel Salami panels report on magu stalled two years after Many okada writers are criminals cp Alleges liga steps up ban enforcement and ipb to kumu ii No crusade is what they're saying. These are some of the headlines on the front page of the nation We now bring in jillie johnson jillie johnson. Thanks again for your time. Let's begin with um The okada issue in the country we've had and seen what's been happening in liga state um yesterday We had the clash in our job between The law enforcement authorities and of course the okada men We can also look at what is happening or what happened at the day-day market in abuja the building materials market Where there was a clash between the traders and motorcycle operators commercial motorcycle operators Are these motorcycle operators becoming um a security threat or have they become a security threat? as a group to the country well, um if you check the source of the means of mobility or Terror is operating in the north east and in north central and in north West turn part of Nigeria to discover that That's their means of mobility what it does when it comes to what they used to cut away The rise they demanded for and some of the food items they demanded for for any other case to listen is just that Our leaders are fired away from reality and there is there is a racket that is that's ongoing with this process With respect to revenue generation either by State appointed agents or state recognized agents from these okada riders and That's why you see them in droves don't need anyone to tell you for example I've lived in my own committee for more than 40 years They are lived their kata their kata park has been taken over by people that are not Nigerians I've said it I've said this I've said this on on program on live programs many times. So It's it's it's there for everybody to see that The the threat is Is there is there is just we are sitting on the keg of gunpowder which we have pointed out You see the result with which these people We acted to this to this ban and then you see the political move with the governor of Lagos taking Massive votes if if the ban is overturned and Indian temple is a game of number But the nation that does not enforce this law There are rules that come on immigration. Most of these people riding these back are not even Nigerians and not even Nigerians They are shardians Nigerians and the rest and the rest of them We have said that to consider the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos and consider the maker of our roots and that there's a way which you go who are called regularizing and registering those data into that tree for example You could we could register them at the riders at the look government because let's be let's face reality our public transport system can Handle the volume of commuters that we have it take us we can't we can't Government must come up with a structure a structure in which that these people are registered They are legitimately registered There can be counter treason not that somebody would just sit somewhere and we We will import people from the jail from chat and we bring them to different parts of this country And then all you just do is to keep them a bike and the ride bike and the delivery It's the same thing with people that that collect arms on the street But we wait to see how government we enforce is known with respect with respect to that They are aware of all parks All you need to do is to say your cameraman and an reporter to go around and do And and do something around and look at the nationality Of these occurred and riders I can tell you for a fact and I can give you evidence From different parts that can be verified From different parks that have been overweb Faber junction In the faculty I look government In the faculty I look government in legacy It's a god it's a god but the junction in the faculty I look I've given you just three parts I've given you just that you can go right as I'm talking to you And you check the nationality of the people and they all spread around But I've heard this narrative over and over and over again Especially on the radio where I also have a program and I've asked those who come up with this Saying that most of the majority of the bikemen the Ocada riders we see in legal state are not Nigerians Where is your proof? Did you go around to conduct a research? You know, did you go around to gather data? Did you have a sample size your lectures? So you understand the methodology for coming up with such Conclusions are we sure we're not, you know You know, we're not guessing or conjecturing here The most powerful true Of data garden of garden evidence Now when you interpret your data it comes to you that the most powerful tool that god has given to man The most potent research tool is observation Is observation That's one That's why when you give up to a kid a kid does not put the food in his nose The kid puts the food in his mouth because he has he has observed And see that people around him are putting food in their mouth and not in their nose or in their eyes Now that's one of the major in fact the primary tool of journalism is observation The primary tool of knowledge acquisition is observation to Like you said it's survey and i'm giving you three locations Three locations in terms of field study. It's my own personal experience I don't most people drive all the time I don't drive all the time sometimes I take bike and ask my son to bring the car to school Because I want to know what is happening in my environment as a researcher as a journalist I want to know what is happening in my environment So I take private buses sometimes I take nappet sometimes and I take and I take bike Sometimes in actual sense when I'm driving to school and the traffic is heavy I pack the car and I take bike and ask my son to bring the car or I leave the car at home So i'm talking from inspiration point of view So i'm sure what i'm talking about. They are not Nigerians. You can't say you report that All right, let's move away from this You can send me one of your reporter and I'll take your reporter out. I'll drive. I'll personally drive the reporter Gday Johnson Let's quickly move away from this and and look at the order issues on the front pages of national dailies I mean on the leadership newspaper. It talks about the governor of kaduna state nazi or edulfi confirming the presence of terrorist and You know the ansaru terrorizing the entire place And being responsible for when it was beating the voting when it was beating the voting criminality Negotiating with bandits when bandits are terrorizing southern kaduna Everything was politicized for political go now you have raced a Frankenstein muster And that has become a major problem for you. It's it's it's clear It's clear power to 2019 election that we see cognizance in this in the northwest part of the country going into The forest to negotiate with is only in Nigeria actually world criminality now the government is crying out now that two local government Have been taken over by terrorists in the state by the ansaru terrorists In the north is your government ansaru terrorist In the north is your bukwara in the north west and part of north center, which is neither you have You have this ansaru terrorist because over time state agents have negotiated with non-state actors And you have embodied them and it seems that it pays more to be To to it pays to commit crime than to to to respect law in in in Nigeria You see the quickness with which the police will react to arrest prosecute people For minor infractions, but here you see people committing crime against the state And yeah, they have been rewarded So it's not in him and it's not a surprise to me that terrorist has taken over To state it's not a true state. The government is doesn't economic have its truth There are two local governments in the Inignor state whatever Niger state Whatever we have in In his empire state and that's that's an impeachable There's an impeachable offence. It's an impeachable offense because every every government at every level promise to to protect the territorial integrity of the nation, one, which they have been made in France, two, to protect lives and property of the citizen, failure to do that government at whatever level. We seem to be having a disconnect with GD Johnson, but as soon as we're able to establish contact with him, we continue with sharing his thoughts as the breakfast on plus CV Africa. We're looking at the front pages of a national dealies. I mean, very interesting headlines if you asked me on the dealies this morning from the fact that you have the Kaduna state governor crying out about terrorists occupying some local government in the state and to other issues of the Ocada clash and to also the issues of the APC and the PDP. Of course, the APC to be precise asking for a shift of time for the timetable. Kofi, let's also look at that particular one. We've also spoken with Festus Okoye, who has also stated that, you know, INEC is very stable at this point in time. I mean, very static with the situation, very, very decisive, saying that they're not shifting grounds as regards addressing the timetable for primaries for political parties. Absolutely, absolutely. But I'm told we have GD Johnson back on Zoom. GD Johnson, are you there with us, please? Yes, I'm with you. I'm going to the primary enrichment series that I've been with you for a while. Well, I love to resolve INEC. And let the parties be careful, because if judging from what INEC did in 2019, we could see that there is a determination on the part of INEC to ensure that they do things according to the rules. Now, INEC did not make the law. It is the National Assembly that has membership from PDP and APC, the ruling party APC and the opposition party PDP. And to my knowledge, this is one of the electoral act that we have that is progressive in the church, that is more concentrated, that involved a lot of stakeholders, that a lot of things were put in it before we have been, we call that the last electoral act we had was in 2011, that's 11 years ago. So the parties themselves, we want to truncate the process and I love the resolve of INEC. Let the parties, whether they like, let them comply, let them not comply. It is very clear. In Zappara state, APC did not have candidate. In River state, they did not have candidate. And so let any party fail to abide by the rules and then they will forfeit their opportunity. Didi Johnson, interesting that you've landed on the electoral act. So let's stay there. On the front page of the punch in this paper, it's focusing on presidential primaries which will come to a conclusion on June 3. That's a deadline like Messi has said and you've also commented on an in shifting ground. But the paper is saying there is uncertainty over the APC and PDP delegates list because the president has delayed assigning the electoral act. And you know that a small matter of whether those occupying elected positions are allowed to be delegates to vote at the party primary. Said the president has received the bill passed by, the amendment passed by the National Assembly but is not signing it. Even still with this electoral act, they had a Supreme Court regarding section 84, subsection 12, right in the middle of the electionary season. What's going on? Now, why do we need contention over section 84, subsection 12? It's very clear. You can't be appointed and be using state resources to run your campaign. That is very clear. And I'm sure the Supreme Court, we agree with the appellate court because the AP court has ruled that that's subsection states. And I think the Supreme Court, we agree with that now. Let's leave that. On the issue of the amendment that was done by the National Assembly with respect to, you know, we spoke about it. I think last week about the super delegate, elected representative on the normal. That's the norm. There are some things that are not needed to be. It's not that we will write. That's the norm. They are super delegate because one, they've tested voters. The people have elected them compared to the party delegates who are elected by party members. These, as of rep members, as of assembly members, the president and the vice president, they've been elected by the people. These are actually the true representative of the people. Why should Senator and as of rep members, and as of assembly members, should not be, and look who come in there man, should not be part and parcel of the National Convention of their party in picking their families. I think we don't need any debate concerning that. The party should go ahead and include them in their delegates and let the court decide whether he vote parties. That's what we call, it is not everything the court will rule on. There's what we call political solution. This is what is required by political solution. For example, the DDP and APC, the Interparty, what the Interparty, the IPAC, the Interparty Advocacy Council, if they all come together and say, you know what, we are going to include all this as part of our delegates. Is there, it's clear in the constitution of the parties. But Gidea Johnson, you're talking about a political solution. You have rightly reminded us of Fiasco that the 2019 election was for the APC in Zamfara state and in River state. Would any political party who goes contrary to this law, you know, the amended law, that does not allow the teacher delegates, like you've called them superdelegates to vote, to be delegates at the primaries. Wouldn't they be setting themselves up if they go against the law as it has been passed you know, for a repeat of 2019? Well, what guides the party, the electoral act or their party constitution in picking their candidates or guides the party. In the first instance, we have said that the National Assembly had no business legislating over this. In actual sense, that particular section should be expunged completely. I said it last week because we reviewed it. What guides the party? Without the party, there won't be the National Assembly because it is the party that's sponsored candidates to go to the National Assembly. So there are rules that govern party. Parties have their constitution. And if that happens, the party can approach the court and I'm sure the court will rule in favor of the party because it is the party that select candidates. A quick one on this, are we not seeing? These are not. Julie Johnson, are we not seeing the National Assembly get away easily because it seems the focus has not been on them. If you remember some months ago, this was seen as the electoral act was seen as a way for the National Assembly to members to stand up to the governors who call the shots as to who among them can return to either the green chamber or the red chamber. We're not seeing that play out again in some of these acts or these clauses that have been inserted into. Is this a ploy away by the National Assembly members to control their political destiny? Now let me let you know this. Even if you could see in one of the stories, I don't know which newspaper it is. We heard that reps for the Senate and reps ticket their pressure on governors, particularly APC governors for the ticket. Look, the most powerful block in the entire political landscape is 1999. The governors, we said it. They control the party, they control the National Assembly. They are key members of the federal executive council. You know how many former governors are in the federal executive council? You know how many former governors are in the Senate? You know how many governors that are going back to the Senate? Now again, you know, even the wife of governors that are contested, at least the wife of governor, former governor of the state, is a three-term senator. Still currently ongoing. The wife of the governor of the state where I'm presently is contested in the most state. So it's the structure of the party and the nature of governors that we have. The governors are powerful. So there's not anybody can do about that, but there are super delegates, elected representative of the people. We should get the list of the delegates elected at the conventions of the party that there's no contestation about that. That's the reason why they are delicate. The essence of those national delegates is for them to participate in national convention either to elect national executive of the party or to elect the flag bearers of their party at national elections. And that's what it's all about. But with respect to how parties conduct themselves, because it's just like legislating to see that all parties must run the same way. The way the PPC must be run, the way PDP. Parties operate based on their own ideology and everybody has their own ideology. It is that ideology that shapes their constitution and their constitution is what guides their internal arrangement. So the national assembly cannot legislate. It is an over key. It is outside the oversight responsibility of the national assembly or the INE to legislate on how parties are governing their principles. What INE would do is that the party would submit their constitution and what I need to do is that are you abiding by the rules of your constitution? But in Nigeria, we want to legislate about everything. It is not everything you can legislate on. There are some norms, there are some principles and there are some values that govern party system. Okay, G.D. Johnson, let's also look at the daily independent news paper this morning, despised promotion, a magus case still on. That's what the police minister has quoted to say, says he will face persecution if indicted by the salami panel. Now, this is actually, I mean, we're talking about this because Zemaikar was indicted with the issues of fraud and fonts involved at the end of the day. And this also got a lot of people talking about the promotion of magus. But what do you make of this case? You're saying that there's not even, there's no immunity against his persecution. In this case, that the case is not finished. Well, you still have him in the system. What does this really mean? I've never worked in the civil service but I'm aware of some certain things that guide civil service. I have not, to not let you go but I'm aware of some certain. One, once you're under investigation, you cannot be promoted. You cannot be promoted. Someone is under investigation. The panel has accepted to look into it when you're promoted the person. Why are they in the order to promote the person? If eventualism is vindicated, then you can do double promotion or triple promotion. We've seen cases of people getting triple and double promotion in the civil service. But you know, like I said, we take 10 steps forward and we take 100 steps backward. What justification, what moral justification does the police service, what have you, have to promote it now? To prove what? Because the matter is still being investigated. Do you reward someone that has been accused of an infraction? That's my view on that. I don't think that the police service commission should have done what they have done. If you have waited until the final report is written and if Margo is vindicated, then you will be promoted accordingly. We have seen situations where people are promoted. Probably five years after I know the areas have paid. So there's nothing new, but why are they in the order? I don't know, I don't know. But if they're saying that the case is not finished, I mean, there's no immunity against his prosecution. That means that even with the fact that he's been promoted or he's still part of the system, anything can still happen. I mean, justice can still have his way. Well, justice will surely have his way. Justice will surely have his way. No doubt about that. Justice will surely have his way. But the most important thing is that what signal are we setting? Are we fighting corruption? Are we encouraging corruption? Are we embedding corruption in the system? Someone has been accused of corruption. Someone has, and then what do we need to do? What we need to do is to ensure that we send the right signal to people. We send it, we communicate appropriately to people that cover these serious about dealing with issues that has to do with financial impropriety. Now, if the person that had the agency has been accused of that, and then you are promoting the person, what signal are you sending to the rack and file of the ESCC, to the rack and file of security agency? It means that you can commit a crime, it can be accused of a crime, and yet you can still be promoted. I don't think it's good for the service, and I don't think it's good for the nation, and I don't think it's good for the optics. All right, General Johnson, let's go over to the South Eastern states of Nigeria. The point she's across dedicated some space on this front page to talk about the Southeast. You have IPOB on one hand, you have the enforcers of the Monday seat at home, or so-called unknown gunmen, on the other hand, you have Charles Solodou in the picture, you have WF Kumi, you believe it or not, he's also in the picture as well. One day shall never end. But let's start with Solodou's approach to the violence in a number of states. He began his tenor as governor with a hard stance. He declared, unilaterally, declared an end to the Monday seat at home, a seat at home that he did not start, but he declared that it was over, and gave sort of an ultimatum to gunmen to come out, else they will be dealt with. And we know what happened. Carnage and terror was increased in a number of states. Even the governor's own local government council, his home local government council was not scared. They attacked the building and they burned stuff there. He went to visit the IPOB leader, Namdi Kanu, in DSS detention. Now, he has given a 60-day peace offer to the gunmen in Anambra state. A change of tactic, you might call it. But the headline on the front page of the punch is that the Anambra gunmen have shunned Solodou's 60-day peace offer and they're continuing their reign of terror. Tara, what are your thoughts on this? Well, it's very important for all statehooders, political, traditional, religious, and traditional institutions on the surface to come together to address this problem. This was our bookworms started. We did not east, and we could see how it has developed and what it has developed into. It has developed into Frankenstein monster. It cannot be contained. I think that for the good of the Southeast, there must be stakeholders, what do they want? How do we approach this issue? What is the goal? If you ask people, if you are fighting Nigerian and you are telling people in your region not to go about their business on a certain day, you are only outing yourself. You are only outing yourself because it is your people that are actually affected. And I think that the need for that critical stick would have to be this product. But what we have seen is that all the Southeast governors, they are working independent of one another. There's no common place amongst them. And this is the time that the people from the east need to drop their Republican post job and adopt a common law post job. All of them will come together and talk about how to address this particular issue. We have it in Himo State. We have it in Anambra State. Now, it's just a matter of time. It might spread to the government of any good things. It's not, I'm not affected or the government of a point of things, I'm not affected or the government of their things. I'm not affected. It's just a matter of time. So it is important for all these critical stakeholders. And it's important to appeal to these people that are perpetrating this kind of, to understand that if they destroy that community, if they destroy that state, if they destroy that Southeast, what legacy do they want to leave for their children? Is that the legacy their father has there for them? Because it's important for us to point this out. I don't think there's need for us to solve any problem by violence. Even the ones that you have for World War I, World War II, who are resolved on a table, everything will be resolved and be kept. But the table, so why do they increase the peace part that the governor has thrown at them? And I think that the governor really wants us to work. And I think that the federal government should join and work and in hand with the governor of Anambra State to find this solution to this problem. All right, Jini Johnson, IPOB has released a statement urging the military to go after these so-called unknown gunmen, which to some people may be a surprise because before now IPOB and the military were like cats and mouse. Also, the leader, the general VCF, I wouldn't call it that, of the deeper Christian life ministries has been warned against holding his crusade in the Southeast, and IPOB is saying to see we don't want anyone to be attacked or to be killed by gunmen. If you're killed by gunmen, you will now come and say that it's IPOB. When we know nothing about this. Has IPOB, are they reaping in the Southeast? Are they reaping the fruit that they planted because I remember that people, not a few people said, hey, this thing you're doing, be careful about tomorrow. You might start to rare, or you might rare a monster that you might not be able to tame in the future. So should the people in the South is reflecting on what they started that has now snowballed into an untamed monster? Can you see, we started from Caduna, where the government, governors was negotiating and paying bandits. And today the governor is crying that two local governors taken over by terrorists. For the first time he called them terrorists. Now, the issue of the Southeast, we pointed this out, that there are different tactics that really warfare does not work in 21st century. There are better ways and better ways of resolving issue of solving problem. So we have pointed this out over time. So as a result of that, we have seen what it has turned into. IPOB as an agenda, and some other people without that, the fierce criminal intention, have taken over what, have taken off from where IPOB stopped from. So I think it's appropriate and it's right for them to call, to partner with federal government to deal with this, this Frankenstein monster that must be cut before it destroy to the Southeast. And that's the reality. And that is also important for the political class as we are going towards to understand that the people they recruit for their political aspirations, if they are not properly taken care of, they'll become a menace to the society. All right, Jedeh Johnson, let's also take a look at the punch newspaper this morning. It talks about the fact that families and friends of passengers abducted from the Abuja Kaduna train are saying that they're not pleased and are asking that the service should not resume because of the experience and demanding that if there should be resumption, then those who are in captivity of terrorists should have been released. But we can also ignore the fact that, I mean, the federal government had said that they spent 1.7 billion Naira per kilometer for that construction. And to some extent, we're very indebted. Well, it's an opportunity that we gloss over at the loss of lives and people that have been abducted and not released. And then what we'll be interested in is the assumption of activities by Nigerians with cooperation for the Kaduna-Abuja line. It's unfortunate that we won't be discussing that. Just imagine the outrage that happened. It is happened in the United States of America in London, in Australia, but even in South Africa down here, I don't understand. Is it the commercial activity and the revenue that comes from it that the government is much more interested or is it about the protection of some property of an hybrid Nigerian? What measure has the government put in place? There was no press conference. There was no statement. And there was nothing from the president, from the president. I mean, the president himself, I'm not talking about his speech, from the president with respect to that. There's nothing. But if something happened, if that happened to some people in Ghana, our president would have visited Ghana or must have seen something about Ghana. If that happened in Mali, our president would have seen something. But where it happened in Nigeria, he glows over it and then he would think life will turn to normal. And because Nigeria have the capacity to absorb whatever comes their way. For me, it's insensitive of government to talk about resumption of activities on that real life, without dealing with the issue of those that are kidnapped, those that are abducted, and those that have been killed. And what composition are we giving to those family? You know, if the families, if they are well organized, they should organize themselves and take Nigerian recuperation to court, and take the minister of transportation to court, and take the federal government to court. It might take them years, but I'm sure they will get compensation for government failure to secure their lives. Now you have a government transportation system and the people enter into government transportation system and their lives and property could not be secured. They should sue the government. Government is an entity that can be sued, excuse me. So they should ban to get out and sue the government, sue the government at various levels, agnostic government, federal government, minister of transportation, you join them. You get a good lawyer. It might take you years. You get compensation at the end of the day. Okay, but if that's the case, I mean, it's not that we're having it differently with the roads because, I mean, shortly after, you know, this announcement of the train service being, you know, there's a plan to resume the train service, you also have the attack on the roads. Should we also, you know, talk about that? Should I tell you, I've said that every accident I have on Nigerian would have said it, that we should sue minister of, minister of, minister of works. Because some of the nature of the roads are terrible. And then if it's within the state, you sue the state government because we elect people into public office and they appoint people to superintend over some of the government and pay our taxes. I tell you, I didn't see it in any picture of these people. A truck of a major organization killed 10 people as I was traveling to a place, 10. 10, not was told. And I told those that care to listen, that you won't see this on the pictures of these people. It won't be reported by any media organization. What is the value of an average Nigerian life? 10 is a major, a major organization that has been reported for their trailer skinning. In natural sense, their trailer killed some student in, in, in, in, in, on those stages in Agungba. You, you know what I'm talking about. All right. 10 years to be. Interesting, Gina Johnson. But when the major organization has its trailers, and I, I, I think I know the organization you're talking about. And if you look at, at the history, they bought these trailers and gave it out on a sort of a higher purchase agreement to these drivers who drive roughly, you know, and, and, and the organization may not be able to control these people who drive trailers. Drawer drivers all over Nigeria. Gina Johnson, trailer drivers all over Nigeria drive, drivers sleep, as if they're on, on Formula One, you know, a truck. Now, just imagine if you lease out a truck to somebody in United States and then that truck, and then your organization has developed a reputation of killing people. You know what? Let me tell you what my 19-year-old son said. Let me tell you from, from the thinking of a 19-year-old son, is there, is there a blood connection between the money? Is this not money in withdrawal? That's what, that's the first year because that's how we do our song. I don't, I don't mean to, I don't, I don't mean to, to, to downplay the importance of, of, of life. It's, it's a sad one. And indeed you're right when you say that the trailers have a notoriety. But Gina Johnson, the question I'm asking is, is it about, is sacred? Yeah, no, Gina, the question I'm asking, yeah, Gina, the question, yeah, Gina, the question I'm asking is, is it about the, this organization in, in question, you know, unnamed organization, is it about the way a trailer and truck drivers drive? It's about, it's about, it's about your name organization. It's about the nature of our road. It's about, look, you see you have, what is called federal road safety corporation, federal road safety. They are not about federal road safety. It's about federal revenue, federal revenue commission. Because the way they stop your, you can't take your camera. In other words, when I'm talking about I'll do a recording myself. Now, it's not about safety, it's about revenue. That's what it's all about. Then you also look at the type of roads they construct. And you see the millions of Naira that are being collected to construct those roads. Why do we have government in place when government could not provide basic infrastructure? What I'm saying is that, you can still commit at every level for anything. And that's what I'm saying. And until we develop to the point that cities can provide cases, I can't recall the name, can provide cases against the state and suit the state for the failure of the state to do what the state ought to do. Our public officials, elected and appointed, we know we come with a responsibility. And that's the reality. Let's have a look. Okay, should I tell you another one? Should I tell you another one? Now, as we are approaching a war, another thriller killed an Okada, destroyed them. You will see that the pages of the newspaper. No media will report it. Is this from the same organization? I'm talking about between Ijebote. Listen to me, please. I'm talking about between Ijebote and about 184 or 198 kilometers of road. You have over close to about 20 Nigerians losing their lives just yesterday. Is this second accident, unfortunately, as it is from the trailer, a truck owned by the same organization in question? Different organizations. It's unfortunate, really sad one. Different organizations, really sad one. Now, what I'm saying, in fact, is that, now, if you have federal road safety, that in short compliance, without trucks you move, with the speed trucks you maintain, you have this. That's where the government aspect comes to it. Then if you have the timeline with which trucks can move, and then you have trucks, with which trucks, okay, all trucks must keep the right. All trucks must be on the right. All trucks must be on the right. G.D. Johnson, thank you so much for being part of the show this morning. We have to let you go at this point in time. We appreciate your thoughts as always. G.D. Johnson has achieved lecture in Niger in the Institute of Journalism. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you very much, thank you. Well, that's the size of the press. We will definitely return on Monday for the interesting headlines, generating different reactions of different spaces and also bringing you in-depth analysis. 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