 Marie Kiviniemi, you are the Deputy Secretary General of OECD and a former Prime Minister of Finland. Welcome to WPC-TV. You've been talking about inequality and globalization. Is inequality of income or is it the real problem of social mobility? So I think there are many dimensions to inequality, but what we have at the OECD, especially now in recent years, looked at is of course this income inequality, but also the other dimensions because we are worried about all of them. We should not only look at the income equality, but also when it comes to wealth, for example. So all inequalities affect very heavily two ordinary people's lives. I mean, you're Finnish and Finland is a famously egalitarian country. That is true, but also in Finland in recent years, and especially after the financial crisis, inequality has been rising, especially when it comes to income inequality. And is that a factor, because is that caused by globalization? No, actually, when it comes to OECD surveys, we say that globalization does not affect inequality directly, but of course, undirect effects it has. It must do in developing countries, surely. Sorry? It must affect inequality in developing countries, such as China or India. Yes, of course, because China and many other countries have now become part of the international trade and international economy. So in those countries, you can see also the direct effects of globalization. And a final question, at what point do the inequalities become socially dangerous? I think it depends on country, but when it comes to OECD's recent surveys, which we are going to publish actually tomorrow, our outcome in that survey is that inequality affects also growth. And if actually the inequality keeps rising at the same rate as it has been rising in recent years and actually in 30 previous years, so in next 25 years' time, we will lose 8% of the GDP growth in the OECD countries. So that's quite a lot when we look at the coming years and when we are not expecting very high growth rates in the global economy. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you.