 Yeah, on what the hangouts? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know they had a limit. They do no 12 hour marathons for us It's not interesting. I didn't know they had a limit. I Don't think they used to hmm somebody somewhere's abusing it Probably all right. You ready? I am ready Hey everybody whose video you may notice that I look different today Having a little problem with my inputs not being recognized happen sometimes Apologies for that on the video audio people won't notice anything though. So don't tell them. Okay. Here we go Quality content thrives for the support of those who benefit from its creation If you gain value from the Daily Tech news show consider joining others like me who provide support learn how to help at DailyTechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, October 12th 2016 I'm Tom married joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson as he does most Wednesdays. How are you Scott? I'm good. I like most Wednesdays because I can't hear you because I need to do that. Ah Yes, I know can you hear me now? I can hear you now. Oh good Good all everything's working out according to plan, but I'm just here to tell you I like most Wednesdays I'm here most Wednesdays like most Wednesdays Well, good. I'm glad you I'm glad you like it. I'm glad to have you along We've got some interesting news to talk about Nolan Bushnell is back in the news and We got some top stories to talk about Amazon launched their rumored music unlimited streaming service the service will cost $9.99 a month or if you have an Amazon Prime Subscription it'll only cost you $7.99 a month. So we'll talk a little bit about that It works across all devices including the Amazon echo and in fact if you're like I don't really need it to work on anything but an echo and only one echo you can choose to pay just $3.99 a month However, you pay for the service the echo will have improved search integration with music unlimited letting users ask for new and popular songs by mood by genre by decade or even by lyric by saying Play the song that goes and then speaking some of the lyric the Amazon music app will now pre-cache recommendations for offline listening as well As feature artist commentaries on tracks called side-by-sides Amazon music unlimited is live in the United States today and will debut in the UK Germany and Austria later this year I think this is a fine idea I'm a little sad as a prime user that this wasn't rolled in like they often do with Prime with new services, they don't always have to do that I don't always expect it but it's always a nice treat when they do certainly the price isn't too bad I think the thing that piqued my interest the most though was the echo now Potentially if I want to spend as little as four dollars a month has a much Vaster variety of music I can play and that's been kind of a problem with Prime music which is very limited in lots of ways. I mean it sort of gets the job done in a pinch But for the most part I've been blue-toothing up other services or playing other apps on the on the device So that's the one that appeals to me the most and you could say well Scott for an extra four Just give it everywhere, but I'm kind of good everywhere else It's the it's the echo where I want to kind of have some concentrated love here So for me, let me ask you what do you use everywhere else for your music then so I'm either headphones in Phone yeah, I used to know service wise. Yeah, oh for service wise used to be Spotify now Apple music I really have been happy with Apple music got a great deal and even when it comes to When I'm you know in the house and using that thing I'll Bluetooth that up to the echo and use that there and just sort of remotely control it Sadly, there's no default Apple app on the echo as is probably not surprising to many people, but I don't know. I just I feel like this is worth it even if I've got now two music services It makes sense to me to have the family plan happening on multiple devices for for the kids and for me and for Kim But then have this echo thing kind of happening in its own little ecosystem And I think I'm okay with that four is not a lot to ask. It's not actually a lot to ask eight either but Four is enough for me to think that maybe that's a no-brainer. I think eight's gonna gonna Potentially confuse a few people maybe not a lot when they say well, wait a minute I thought I already paid for Amazon Prime and so now I have to pay extra But it's not the same but I guess I get a discount So that's kind of new for them saying your prime membership gets you a discount Not that they've never done it before but but this is the biggest product They've launched to say you'll still have to pay extra for it They've done it with things like Amazon Fresh and stuff like that I I think you're one of the use cases for the Amazon Echo, which is you use a music service that doesn't Play nice with Amazon, which is essentially anything but Amazon Spotify or Pandora And so we'll give you a chance to have our Amazon music unlimited for cheaper So you don't have to switch and then you can you can get some of the stuff But it doesn't sink over playlists. It doesn't have all the same options I'm wondering how many people will really plunk down for that $4 Well, if you've got if you're like me and you're a single Echo home, which we are currently and that may change I may want some of these dots or extra echoes in different rooms or whatever And whatever they come out with a next-generation Solution may be so awesome. I can't wait to do it or who knows what Google's gonna do with their little air freshener looking thing But but bottom line is with a single Echo that is used mainly for Music whenever one's around for a dinner party or something like that like that is one of its chief uses in our house And being able to tell it to play what we want. This this is appealing So I I guess I appreciate that they put it in there that that's an option for me I say that knowing that it's it's probably not the option most people are gonna go with But one thing I do like and this bears mentioning toward the end of the of the of what you were talking about you mentioned this They seem to be Interested in making sure that we not only have what content we're buying at Amazon This is true certainly video content, but there's something a little bit extra So the way that they've integrated IMDB with Amazon Prime is one of my favorite things and when other services don't have it I watch HBO now or I'm looking at iTunes or some other, you know Hulu whatever and I can't pause and get a bunch of info about who's in the scene What they've done before links off to other things how these two actors are connected trivia about the scene Like I actually miss it and get like trigger finger to find out what's happening in the other apps and it's not happening So doing this side-by-side thing is really cool Like I just liked that they're being thoughtful about that sort of thing from a content perspective So an added bonus to to maybe going the full eight bucks. Yeah, I I take the long view of this and This all looks like the kind of confusion and decision-making that we must deal with thanks to DRM If it weren't for DRM, you could buy MP3's legally You wouldn't have to steal them you could buy them store them in a locker anywhere you want Either in the cloud or at home stream them wherever you want on whatever device you want and you wouldn't have to have all of these different services But because of DRM we forced a sort of Legal rare scarcity to prop up business models and now it's making it worse now It's well, I have an Amazon echo So maybe I should subscribe to music from Amazon instead of Google or Spotify Oh wait, but I might want to get the Google home So maybe I should subscribe to music for Google. You can't just buy your music and listen to it And and I'm not saying we'll never get there again But we are we are deep in the nest of working out this business model Which is why we have people also trying to take advantage of the fact that hey music industry You made it so that you can't easily port your music from one place to another without breaking the law so You know you I mean, but you get under your DRM to MP3 is everywhere But you can't store them in the cloud they they crack down on you and no They crack down on anybody who makes music management software that does that so Therefore We've got this weird system where we have to buy the approved devices that will play our approved music Yeah, it's like having a I mean, it's it's it's ridiculous to think this way, but it's like saying well I've got water I pay for it every month and I can only I need to decide which cup am I gonna drink it out of? Yeah, your cup, but it's also narrower I like that cup because it washes better and this cup over here I like the colors, but man this is hard to choose between which cup I'm gonna drink and as if somebody is making me Forcing me to go into one of my cup ecosystems to get the same water That is how it feels sometimes. Well, I've got good news for you because Pandora Plus is back in the mix, baby I mean they kind of never went anywhere Pandora, but they've got a new logo and they're launching Pandora Plus on Wednesday. That's today Pandora Plus cost 499 a month and replaces Pandora 1 It takes away ads and allows more skips more replays and offline listening a true on-demand streaming service from Pandora launches later this year Something they they also mentioned Pandora also redesigned its P logo got rid of the white part in the middle of the P It's also a little more grungy looking in some of its representations to give it a little bit of an edge I guess but While announced earlier this did kind of stealth in today I think it's any coincidence that it landed the same day as we heard from Amazon Well Pandora announced they were going to do this a month ago So amazon might be trolling them it might just be coincidence too But it is interesting to see Pandora, you know throwing out their announcement Kind of surfing alongside the amazon announcement possibly getting drowned by the amazon announcement But it does you know It's another example of the changing model of business the big news from Pandora would have been if they were doing a full-on streaming service The way amazon music unlimited is and they are doing that. They're just not announcing that till later this year Yeah, I feel like maybe I mean I sit here saying I'll pay 3.99 to do this with my echo Maybe I just pay 4.99 and do it on the echo And get Pandora plus instead. I realize yeah, that's that's a fight for Pandora Because you have Pandora on your amazon echo, but you can't do as many things with it as you can do with amazon Music unlimited for cheaper. That's correct. So just on the info. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a buck less So, I don't know this What you said earlier about all of this proprietary-ness for unnecessary business You know reasons Is kind of starting to wear on me as much as i'm embracing the new brave streaming music world We live in and video for that matter To see all of these tents pop up with all these stupid ideas to kind of make it hard and complicated Is a little frustrating Well, I'll tell you who's frustrated even more than you are about that is samsung about the note 7 Remember we had mentioned that they had revived They had released their earnings projections for the coming quarter and said hey that first note 7 recall at the time It was the only note 7 recall is not going to harm us that much. Well the second note 7 recall is Q3 2016 projected operating profit was reduced 33 from prior guidance That would represent a year over year decrease of 30 percent the first decline for samsung Year over year in a year and the two years before that they had been declining all the time So this was supposed to be the year they turned it around Overall revenue projection was reduced by 2 trillion won down 4 percent Meanwhile the new york times reports that samsung has not been able to reproduce the note 7 problem And they can't figure out what has been causing it So it's possible and there's a few other experts in battery technology out there Saying maybe it's not the battery itself. That's malfunctioning. Obviously, it's the battery that causes the smoking and everything But maybe there's some other design flaw Rather than the battery that's causing this problem Samsung did confirm to motherboard that note 7 phones will not be repaired. They will not be refurbished They will not be resold. They will be recycled. Uh, so you send a note 7 back to them It's just it's just going back into the bin Not going back on the sales floor. Sure. I haven't heard of any matter One thing I haven't heard about that I thought we might hear about is maybe environmental Conditions that would cause the battery to act funny. So for example, if you're testing this in labs in in tightly controlled lab conditions in korea Uh, is that different than a high altitude? Uh city somewhere in north america where one of the phones exploded or where there's more humidity or I don't know like if if they really can't reproduce it yet. It's this rampant That seems just bananas to me that they haven't even got a clue yet as to what's causing it And so it could be something in the quick charging and it could be environmentally related. We don't know I mean, we're you're just throwing out ideas that they are probably also throwing out in their brainstorming because believe me They've they've got a lot of people trying to figure this out Uh, and and it is As much as you could throw stones at samsung and say you were just shoddy and everybody said you were rushing to market And that's that's why you released a shoddy one a second time My guess is they really didn't want to release a shoddy one the second time and thought they had fixed it by switching suppliers They thought they had tracked it down to those sti batteries and it turns out maybe that wasn't the issue Maybe there's something else in there that that's causing it and they haven't figured it out yet No company wants to just burn money. So I I'm with you. I think that they it's all in good faith They're trying to do the best they can nobody wants to lose this measure of money Like there's a million reasons why samsung Why it is in their best interest to put out the best possible Phone and fix this in the best possible way and if things are really this mysterious I mean, this must be the height of frustration for their engineers Time will tell microsoft announced something interesting though. We're in the world of augmented reality We're going to talk a little bit about more vr today even And uh, their new product or the product they've been working on for a while that we've all seen Glimpses of hollow lens that headset will go on sale in australia, france, germany, ireland, new zealand and the united kingdom Developers can pre-order the headset starting wednesday with shipments expected in late november You can order a development edition for three grand For the commercial suite. That's five grand And includes better support device management and enterprise features for that higher price This has been a kit you could get here for the three thousand and I assume the five thousand for a while Um, this represents a broadening of who can get this thing now Still they're aiming for that sort of I don't know cutting edge This isn't for just some consumer with a ton of money in other words What they're hoping is lots of interesting developers and people who you know can take this thing to new places and give them new ideas and And really run it through its paces not unlike, um google glass back in the day when that thing came out Was a grand apiece or whatever so very interested to see what happens as this starts to eke out more and more Yeah, it is a good sign for hollow lens that they went ahead and expanded to so many markets It means that microsoft still believes There's something here. Maybe they're seeing some good development in the united states They're on track To expand and get this thing into consumers hands, but they need some more developers to make some more programs for it I'd be very interested to see if they announce more later this year At one of their conferences about what they've developed and whether they start to take this more Attack at more consumer or more enterprise they've they sort of straddled that line up until now showing Some really interesting enterprise uses for it the guy fixing pipes and that sort of thing But also showing games and and lots of home uses and educational uses And I wonder if they're they're seeing a trend for the better uses there. I'm not a big giant betting man, but um Or a betting man at all really I'm not a huge gambler, but if I was to gamble on this I would say they're going to aim it more toward Corporate and enterprise use and the reason I think that Well, we're going to talk a bunch about it in regards to Nolan Bushnell's new project because they're clearly seeing Uh a different Landscape ahead of them then a lot of VR has up to this point And if I was microsoft with my expertise and experience in enterprises it is Feels like maybe that's the way to go in these early headier days of augmented VR and of course mixed reality. So we'll see Uh team of scientists at Tsinghua University have discovered a way to induce silk worms to produce thread that's 50 stronger than silk than normal silk And when heated up to 1050 degrees celsius can conduct electricity Worms were fed graphene or single walled carbon nanotubes either one of those were sprayed over a bed of mulberry leaves That sounds delicious. The spray consists of 0.2 percent graphene or carbon nanotubes by weight So it's a very low concentration It's believed it could easily be scaled up to industrial manufacture team leader Dr Ying Ying Zhang thinks the resulting silk could be used for things like durable protective fabrics Biodegradable medical implants eco-friendly wearable electronics among other things because you're essentially making silk that can carry a current And uh is super lightweight and super strong. Yeah 50 stronger I mean even traditional uses for silk would be short up by the idea of 50 stronger Um, what a strange thing to figure out though like every once in a while I'm blown away by a science story where somebody figured out if you feed some Carbon-based nanotubes do a bunch of worms on their normal meal of mulberries that the result is uh, oh my gosh, we have double the strength and and conductivity at a certain Temperature, I assume we don't have to maintain that temperature to maintain the no no The team heated the silk fibers to that to carbonize the silk protein and then study their conductivity presumably after they cooled down I mean, that's really interesting tom one day You're going to be wearing a wearable on your arm potentially or yeah Using a phone or something is around you is going to be filled with transistors and cpus and everything else And they're all going to be connected by a series of little strings pooped out the back of a silkworm. Yeah Uh, that just I mean all the silk you wear now is also pooped out the back of a silkworm Let's not put you find a point on it's got johnson. That's a good point But I I guess I don't have a lot of silk stuff. You don't wear a lot of silk stockings Not really underwear. Yeah, all right The idea of like just I don't know just my phone being full of Something that came out of a worm is I don't know weirdly eco friendly but also super weird. Anyway Time will tell uh, I love this Verizon has sold or sorry. I haven't said maybe maybe sold is the right word Verizon tells ours technica rather That all operating system and security updates for its version of the google pixel phone Will come at the same time as google releases those phones Google confirms the practice telling ours that quote os updates and monthly security patches will be updated on all pixel devices Verizon and uh, non-verizon alike and that means simultaneously Also, the Verizon version of the pixel will be sold carrier unlocked Though we'll have a go 90 The uh, my or Verizon and Verizon messages apps pre-installed so you get a little I won't call it junkware, but you get some Verizon just labored out. I will I'll call it junkware. All right junkware All three can be removed of course. Um, but uh, I guess that's Both good news for Verizon users and for people interested in the pixel phone on that network I mean the pick I know you've talked to us on the show and it doesn't need to be brought up again, but man, I'm seeing people excited to get their pixels and sending back their Samsung's like personal friends who are like, I'm sending back my note. I can't do this I don't I'm waiting for it to explode and these are people with like replacements before the stop of the replacements And they're figuring out ways to send them back and get a pixel on pre-order. So, uh, yeah, here they come Good job. Google. It's it's funny. Um, a lot of people And even some people in our chat room speculating like oh the note 7 was too thin That's the problem plenty of thin phones not having the problems of the note 7 pixels Going to be one of them, but the iPhones are out there and the mate eights and this and that Uh, a lot of people, uh, one guy in our chat room just now predicting the death of the high priced phone Which I don't see how note 7's exploding Brings on the death of the high priced phone But uh, even though those may be unconnected, this will be the test of that How many pixels can can google sell at this price because we've talked about the perception of google making Uh, affordable devices which they perpetuated with the nexus phones The nexus phones were always very reasonably priced and these pixels are priced right up there by samsung galaxy s 7's and iphone so That will be interesting to see the other piece of this that people are meeting with skepticism is How they just don't believe verizon will do this like the fact that verizon has said Yes, we will just pass along the updates As google released releases them and google says yes They uh, they will get their os updates a monthly security patches simultaneously people like no We won't because you're a carrier and you never do that I mean I I personally believe verizon will do this verizon certainly doesn't get in the way of ios updates Why would they get in the way of these? But that is just how angry people are with the carriers delaying these android updates for for years and years and years Is they just can't get it in their heads that a carrier could possibly be telling the truth When they say something like this. Yeah, I guess this is their chance to prove it And I understand they have to get out in front of it and do a little pr to explain that That's what they plan to do But it is kind of a sad state of affairs that you have to keep explaining it and that people continue to not believe you So Proof in the pudding. Let's get that pudding out. Let's put some proof in there Let's get our phones. Yeah, I I want to put it out there for anyone in the audience Who has a verizon plan? Gets a pixel from verizon not an unlocked one directly from google Report to us either way no matter what happens the first time there is an android os update Whether you get it simultaneously or not We'd like to hear from you feedback at daily tech news show dot com when that happens You don't you don't have to write me about it tomorrow because we know it won't happen tomorrow because the pixel isn't out yet Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Really interesting announcement from atari co-founder nolan bushnell Who is I guess co-founding although the the company existed before he joined With jason crawford A company called modal vr Crawford invented the modal tech and serves as the company's chief executive officer But bushnell believes in this stuff and is out there talking about it and his name grabs headlines So it's a good move for them Essentially what this is is a prototype Wireless headset system. So multiple people with 10 millisecond latency That can be used in areas as large as 900,000 square feet And the what they call the vr fabricator the the thing that sort of coordinates all this can be networked So one can cover 900,000 feet you could use multiple vr fabricators to cover More than 900,000 feet And you have to wear full body tracking suits But essentially they just kind of triangulate these standing sensors out on the field like literally they show it on a baseball field And they can track you now various people who've tried this say it's still a little glitchy Sometimes it doesn't perfectly track you, but they've got games like a ping pong game Where where they add a bunch of cool things to ping pong so that you don't actually play with a ball But it's like you're playing pong in real life They also have an example called mythic combat. That's the one on the baseball field that shows two people in a fighting game So even though they're standing on a field There's like a huge chasm in between them in the game And they're throwing lightning bolts at each other and laser blasts and holding their hands together to create these these huge green or or pink The electrostatic charges that they toss at each other. I mean, it's basically tron deadly discs except without discs And and the idea is that they won't be selling this to you as they home user They will sell it to an arcade. They'll sell it to a film or tv Group that wants to use it. Uh, they'll they'll sell it to people who want to do Rescue training uh people who want to do walkthroughs 3d modeling theme park design architecture And they're also focused on indie developers. They want to get a developer crew working on this So they're creating an app store They say that they will soon be sending out beta versions of the modal vr developers kit Uh for you to to try and and program for and they want folks to to create Software that can sell in the app store That people will want to buy and then buy modal vr hardware to use Yeah, I so I scoured everything I could uh and lead up to this conversation about modal vr And what their plans were where they came from how they how they hooked up with nolem buschnell For those who don't know, I mean not only founder of of uh, and I think this is important But not only the founder or co-founder of Atari And the brain's behind of that behind all of that But also the man and the brain behind the launch of the cheque cheese pizza Kids arcade franchises which still exist and operate today in many cities Um, the reason I think that's significant is I feel like this is a very similar model to that Uh, this is him saying all right We can make home video game consoles that worked out well, but not everyone can get one or have one So why don't we make a place where they come to us? And that's where we'll have some fun. We'll have animatronic bands made of a bunch of animals We'll have pizza and we'll have arcade games and hey, we'll have alcohol for the parents Which is totally true by the way So you have all of that As a as a solution to what nobody knew was a business model or a business need I feel like they're doing the same thing here and what uh historically sounds like what started as a 30 minute investment meeting With nolem buschnell turned into like a two and a half hour conversation Where he suddenly got very interested in what these guys were doing And the net result was they're like well Sure, we could do like everybody else and try to get these into people's homes and on their pcs or on their consoles But instead why don't we make something that? People would come to we don't want to be the ones they come to But we want them to go to the places that buy our equipment buy into our system or whatever I think it's a really brilliant idea. I have major problems with some of it though And I'll just say a couple of them here um The fidelity on what they have shown as being rendered in the vr space is kind of Terrible it looks really really bad now. I don't know what that means. We're not talking about a super powered pc They've got in their example a notebook and some sort of sort of mid breakout box unit that does a lot of the rendering and stuff But what they're showing Is the opposite of impressive if you compare it to even what psvr is doing or even gear vr It's just not there as far as that's concerned They're also showing us examples like the chasm example you showed Where I don't really know what that's about like I I get the idea you're both wearing headsets You have a distance between each other Is the chasm dynamically rendered? Maybe I can play too many video games. So this is where my head is But is it that different depending on where you started out or how big your space was Are is the game literally just hucking stuff at each other and you just dodge it? Uh, because that that'll get boring real quick and you'll get tired real quick No, hold on. Yeah, you're you're criticizing. I mean criticizing the fidelity is is okay I think although you do have to you do have to give them the fact that this is prototype software And I'm sure they are hoping that that will improve and expect it to improve But criticizing the gameplay of a demo that's really supposed to show you like hey We can track people on a baseball field as they play in virtual reality And you're like, yeah, but the game's kind of boring like That almost says to me that you're convinced that this is awesome because you've already jumped ahead to like Yeah, but I need better games. Well, here's what here's what we know that I mean part of that I guess I'm going to give you some credit for that because part of that is true What we've seen so far in the vr space is really functional Uh working hardware that accomplishes many of the goals vr sets out to accomplish and so They're showing us things Far beyond this in demos and even in prototype phases than they are now What I'm saying right now is none of this is anything more than a little bit of film and trickery Like they're not really showing anything real with anything I've seen and I've looked at the video Just to address that I mean there's reporters from tech crunch in the verge and places who've tried it And said yeah, it does does actually work. Like I said earlier It's a little glitchy here and there but this isn't just a film trick That they're doing here like these are two people in full body suits without cords trailing out of the back of their neck Going out on a baseball field And when you see the thing that impressed me was they cut back to the baseball field and it's quiet And there's just two guys like flailing away, but then they cut into the game and they're playing that game They're they're playing that that targeting game. It's basically a shooter Well, sort of they're they're compositing those actors or whoever they are in the in this supposed virtual world I actually just don't like any of that stuff and that's what you're saying You don't believe because they said this is a real demonstration of the game. They did but I don't believe them But you don't believe it. All right. All right fair enough I think just looking at that stuff If if if any of my I don't know 30 years of obsessive video game watching or What the world of graphics hardware does and when it does it something about all that just struck me as Hokey, but here's what I'm gonna say That is not the point of it is not to impress me as an individual to say Oh, I'm going to get this set up and go to a field and play with my friends What this is supposed to do is say to a business. Yo, you've got this giant heart Uh warehouse in downtown la and it's empty and usually use it in october for like, I don't know halloween Uh haunted house stuff, but the rest of the year just a sort of dormant Why don't you build a business around building a essentially a laser tag? But in the future sort of uh kind of scenario And in that scenario you can imagine that a lesser grade Fidelity and a lesser grade quality and sort of it just it works good enough kind of scenario For a get in line pay eight bucks be in there for 10 minutes get out kind of experience Absolutely 100% think that's what they're doing here. I don't think this is meant for me to look at and go Look at the detail and the the tracking is incredible. I don't think that's what they're aiming for I think they're aiming for something that is just a little bit more Ramshackle a little bit more thrown together a little bit more laser tag and that's okay. I'm not saying that's a bad thing I just don't think that anybody should look at this yet Anyway, until we maybe see some more and go ooh the future vr literally lays before us I think this is a really interesting way for them to leverage Uh enterprise business and parts of the market that aren't even aware that they could use this technology So you're saying it is what they say it is Yeah, that's all they've said. That's all they've said is this isn't for your home use This is for entertainment out in the world. It's for arcades. It's for theme parks And and there's some other interesting things that aren't getting as much mentioned here like astronaut training rescue drills training simulations Physical e-sports they mentioned which might start to border on your skepticism there But mostly they're they're saying this is exactly what you're saying. You think it is Kind of I think that they're selling it That it will be Better than it will be in other words. Yeah, it is what it's going to be I guess what I'm saying is there there is a coat of paint on this that says ooh the most cutting edge forward thinking thing And I think it's a little bit like Kmart to target and it's fine. They're going to make a listen. They may make a huge splash with this Uh, Nolan Bushnell. It's great to see that guy out investing in something again and getting behind something I think that's awesome. He certainly had great successes in the past I'm just a little skeptical until I can see that thing in actual action because what they showed on that field. I just I don't know man It's not fair enough I and I think it's fair to be skeptical about this because what they have had reporters try is ping pong What they've showed on that field Uh was more impressive to me but also not as independently verified although they say this is actually You know taken from the actual gameplay. Uh, so I'd like to see that too You know, don't forget bushnell announced in april. He signed on to develop three mobile games at an amsterdam studio called spill games So he's been getting back out there And lending his name to things and we have yet to see any of those things come to fruition I love that guys a utah connection. He comes from here I want to see great things out of chuckie cheese himself, but is this going to be it? Maybe I don't know. I'm just saying look ping when you say ping pong Let me make this clear. It was like pong big white square pong Not a room with a rendered table and nice paddles out in front of your Hand motions or anything like that to their credit though the one thing I really liked and this is also what leads me to think This is laser tag You're writ large is the when they say full body tracking. We're not talking about some sort of like synthetic suit They're in they're in like kind of a harness. There's like a sensor up here Sensor back here a couple sensors on the legs. It's almost like um, it's almost like uh, like football pads Style sort of attachments to parts of their body not some sort of zip up You know, I'm living in the vr universe sort of suit. So all of that leads me to think that this is headed towards A mall near you Yeah, and by the way folks when if you go look at the tech crunch article about this um a little little confusing Because they put a video of pong gameplay in the article that has nothing to do with modal vr That is just screenshots of pong gameplay. Right. That is not what happens when you go into modal vr In fact, you are standing at a table With actual paddles and all of that. Oh, I didn't I didn't get that from uncle. Okay. That's interesting I didn't think I don't know why they did that they confused the hell out of me too I'm like, this is what it looks like that just looks like screen cap of pong and then I clicked through on the video And you get to just a screen cap of pong. It's not from modal v Yeah, they did other stuff like hey remember discs of tron here's this from tron legacy and yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, uh, also just on a related side note Valve's annual steam dev days are going on and apparently they were showing off a new controller prototype that does away with the Side grips and lets you open your hands completely while you're using it That's the way the oculus touch controllers work as well. So Um, there's some interesting things going on over there Let's get to our pick of the day Haiku dot us Is the pick of the day hiku dot us I wanted to share a product that my wife and family have been using to help solve the issue of shopping lists We have had this device for about a year and really love it It's the combination of a small little device that costs 59 dollars and sits on the counter Or can be left on the fridge has a magnet and allows you to speak to it To add something to a shopping list or better yet scan the barcode on the item The list app then lets you organize by store aisle and other ways to make your shopping experience easier It's great as we now have our teenagers in the process too and it's funny to hear add pop tarts coming from the kitchen The app syncs. So when one of us is at the store, we know what to get you can also just re add things easily from the list It's very flexible This one has stuck for both my wife and I and I thought others might like it too hiku.us now The interesting thing when you think about it is this is what I use the amazon echo for But if you don't want to spend money on an amazon echo Here's something that charles. Thanks again charles for sending this along Uh has has pointed out that you can use That's cheaper and and actually does the shopping list thing if that's all you want a lot better Yeah, it looks all right. I They keep holding it up to their face to say it I keep hoping it just sort of sits in the room and you can say it out loud Maybe you can that video is a little misleading if it's not It looks like they have to kind of hold it right up next to their head and go order more orios Yeah, I don't think you could shout across the room at it like you can with the echo but Better on the shopping list app side of things because the echo's shopping list app just lists everything in the order You said it doesn't do any of the bells and whistles. Well, yeah, plus 59 bucks is a lot less than you know What's going to cost you getting echo so Send your picks to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks a couple emails before out of here uh, Richard J Straffolino a writer for daily tech headlines and you'll sometimes hear him hosting like you did this past monday Said I don't think it should be understated how valuable The facebook workplace Will be for the workplace Because it has a shared ui with facebook how often can businesses introduce a new workplace tool that almost all users have Familiarity with if not expertise I know the name facebook might not sell to a lot of ceo's for a workplace tool But I could also see the shared interface making the sales pitch that much easier one less thing to have to learn I see slack in the same position the twitter is in Great for power users super extensible But imagine introducing it to a business where most of the employees don't regularly use instant messaging It would appear at first to be an inscrutable mess with arcane commands that aren't immediately apparent thus leading To either lower buy-in or more intensive training while enterprise is always a weird beast for consumer companies to break into I think workplace has a pretty big advantage. I don't disagree I read about that when it when I had an ounce and I just thought oh boy another one joins the slack revolution But then I thought I don't know they're kind of uniquely positioned to Sort of already be on everyone's device computer desktop everything Like there's a real chance for it. I don't they didn't you know as far as I know They haven't addressed some of my questions about what is the free service look like How extensible is that can a lot of the things I do like about slack sort of work over there So there's a lot of stuff to be answered, but I don't I don't disagree with richard I think it's you know people tend to do this just because it's facebook we go Facebook what do they know and then it turns out they know a lot so And then finally if you are someone who says hey, man I feel a little bad for samsung. They're taking a big hit on this money Uh, are we gonna are we gonna have to lose them? Are they going away? Don't worry as I've mentioned before samsung highly diversified. They have a baseball team for goodness sake that they sponsor Uh called the samsung lions And here's another example of how diversified they are Are writes regarding how diversified samsung is When I was in south korea the airlines lost one of my bags and I needed to buy underwear at a 7 11 I looked today at who makes it Show me a pair of apple undies people It's a samsung brand pair of underwear. Wow. They really are the uh, I don't know the cosco of uh So, yeah, also 7 11s have underwear. That's awesome. We in korea and japan. Oh, yeah No, they're 7 11s put our 7 11s to shame scott. Yeah another quite tiny little thing samsung owns Probably the team that is going to take the world's championship in the league, right? Yeah, the samsung galaxy. They're called I keep making that team's about to explode jokes on the rally point show I'll promise to make a note this team is about to explode Yeah, so they've got plenty of good stuff going on over there. Yeah Uh, well, thank you scott johnson for joining us anything to tell folks about before we get out of here Oh gosh, not really. 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Yeah, it was good camera Notwithstanding. He looked fine. Everything was fine. I'd forgotten all about it. Yep worked out good Uh, unfortunately, it doesn't look like we've got showbot going on. Oh Is there a new is there another link for it? Yeah, it's dead on my end too. Yeah Well, it's hanging but That could be anything W scottis one says interesting no discussion today. Uh, yeah, the discussion was modal vr Yeah, that was it. That was the that was the discussion. Can you hear me? The showbot dot chat realm dot net. Yes, we can roger. Yes Showbot showbot dot tv works for me. So maybe i'm doing something wrong. Uh, the top one is sam sunk Get it sam sunk Uh, bluetooth it up a single echo home I put my robe and I put on my robe and vr hat Apple undies the happiest place in vr If you build it virtually they will come That's kind of what you were Alluding to and you know, it's people. I mean it's um Nolan bushnell kind of has exp or uh some experience With this Yeah, the key thing is exactly It's really kind of his Like next iteration of that concept Except without maybe without maybe a focus on pizza I think that's how they got him in to be honest. That's how they sold it to him. I and I don't think that's bad. I think it's good Silkier hyphen conductor. Can you hear me now good? Um Sam sunk and single echo home are at the top still Ah, sorry I'm gonna hit that And show biz pizza here if you were search and you want to know the relationship between chucky cheese and show biz pizza Yeah, there's a little uh Thing he does on it I like I put on my robe and vr hat Okay Do you guys what do you guys think my vr hat? I'll shove his pizza still uh I thought they went I thought they went out went under No, well, they still have a website. Um, and they own chucky cheese now. So Oh, it could be just the company is called but the the actual brick and mortar I think maybe maybe the company went under but the stores were sold and still operate Yeah, I think that's right You know, I've always wondered and I was kind of right like those stores require such high maintenance to keep those Attractions running because you're running a mini amusement park They run a they have a twitter account with 15 followers So that's good. Wow They have the last update with may 11th and then one on august 2nd That was sorry for the lack of updates been playing too much pokemon go Uh, huh It's going well for them. Yeah, they don't have anyone assigned to that account. Do they nope? remember, uh, I remember this, um Yeah, I'm wondering if if uh, there will be a time where robotics will be cheap enough That you can kind of basically do a very simple form of animatronics with them. So you can do a show Still, but you wouldn't necessarily have all the infrastructures that you needed with like say The band like you needed all the various vows and pumps and stuff to operate them Oh, you just give the robot's actual instruments and yeah, it's like, okay You're gonna you're gonna play this, you know piano or I guess keyboard Uh, you get like a simple guitar, you know, they can do all that or just hire robots. That's hilarious. I love that idea I mean panda expressed it that back in the 80s. They hired a robot to deliver food Remember that? No, no, I don't remember that at all. Remember that at all Also, it can't have been a real robot. It can't have been autonomous You know, there's a There's an ongoing discussion on what constitutes a robot robot But uh, here, this is what they had in the 80s. By the way rule, you know rule 34, right? That applies that applies to cheque cheese on google images. That's just something that looks like a robot Let's do that again. All right, and it didn't it's the server. It's not it. You said delivery I was the good like delivery to you. Oh, no, no not delivery, but like serving to your table It was it self-directed or remote control. Yes, it's self-directed Really? Okay. All right. I mean, let me there's two robots in ucsf Uh hospital and they deliver pills to patients today For the past like in 1980s. No, not in the 80s. They came they came online. That's the part. I'm having a hard time Why well there were robotics in the early 80s time But not that could just wander around a store floor and and I was way I was way in disbelieving when I thought you meant they were delivering to your house So this is a little more believable, but Were they like pre-programmed to go to certain tables had you press a button at the top like Um, we can't get robots to do this now. That's why They were let me see each Japanese built robot purport purportedly cost $20,000 $45,000 today's dollars Uh, and we're prone to dropping things and letting radio interference make them go. Hey wire They didn't work. Oh, look, they sold them to a restaurant in medesto, california I'll have to track that restaurant down. It was called fisherman's grotto. It's where it was not a grotto. All right A grotto is a physical feature That's what they send old server robot robots to die is medesta I'm tweaking roger because that's that's not the name of his dad's restaurant One of these days a robot could be taking care of you at an old folks home All right tensor guy says it wasn't very accurate, but it kind of did what it was programmed to do I'd put on my robe and wizard hat That would actually be perfect if they could integrate it into uh Like the what's the harry potter universe? What do they call it harry potter world or whatever? The universal uh harry potter experience, I think Imagine you could just put them on and you could Shout out like, you know bs, uh latin words and phrases and you can have stuff going on Sounds great. Yeah, it's great the old days. They would have committed you somewhere I'm wondering if things like that will help, uh Like it's therapy sessions for for people who experience psychological trauma I'm gonna take some bath and some ice cubes You're gonna do what? That's what tensor guy said Oh Because he's he's hot because they um the hollow vect kickstarter just launched All right, let's go hollow vecta kickstarter. You know what I forgot on the show I forgot to recommend that headset You know what I'll do it for the after show people. Hold on let me grab it The box Touch the light Wait, how do you spell that? hollow vect H-o-l-o-v-e-c-t A hollow vect volumetric display It's weird if you just leave it off that you leave the tee off All right, most people think that Kingston makes nothing but memory and crappy mice, right? Well, I mean I shouldn't say most people. I don't know who thinks that I used to think that um But I use that's what I used to think I wanted a new gaming headset that was light comfortable Not outrageously expensive the best stuff out there's like 600 bucks. I was like, I don't want to go that far so the wire cutter had recommended the hyper x cloud by Kingston and I love this thing and it was only 20 bucks And it sounds amazing And it feels like nothing's on my head So people should get it. It's really good Oh, right. Oh wait hyper x the guys that make memory Yeah, yeah the the free kingston put a note in the rundown next time Uh next or even friday you can you can recommend it. Oh, yeah, good idea. I'll do that friday because it's it's surprise I am so shocked by it How much I like it I feel like the sounds better than the more expensive ones i've demoed in the past It doesn't feel like my head's gonna be in a vice the whole time You know, I had that issue with one of the steel series Head sets and the way it clamped on at least my big head. It really Was uncomfortable after 30 minutes My big melon Big head roge Yeah, and the monsters I was going to start a band but some guy named Todd already had one Actually that one guy from the big head in the top big head Todd and the monsters reminds me I had the monster. No, I'm thinking I'd throw the wet sprocket. Never mind Remember when you had bands they could get away with names like that. Well, Todd the wet sprocket comes from a montipython. Yes That's what I was about to say about big head. There's stuff like that today. I just can't think of any off top man I've got an idea. We'll call ourselves robe and wizard hat I Mean we'll some I mean think of all the bands that that they're named after um pop culture references like a safe ferris right I'm trying to think of like with some there has to be something based off the simpsons Right don't have a cow or something cowabunga cowabunga But you know that came along with the the teenage boom ninja turtles too Okay, that's kind of surf lingo, isn't it? I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a linguist I don't intend to be a linguist just says roger Linguist cunning In your ways. Oh tom tom tom die bart die. I was saying the bart the in german Eat my shorts. They are a scoban says tensor guy There you go. Oh, all right Probably oh wait, I didn't read the end of your line probably They probably are maybe I wonder if they're a bunch of former uh marching band guys that's like I really want to keep playing the trumpet But not in a jazz setting Panic at the disco is a good one for a current one. Mm-hmm Uh death cab for cutie. Yeah, that one's all right Wait, is that isn't that like eight years 10 years old? They've been around for a bit. Yeah Taylor Hicks Wait, what? Porno for pyros. That was a good one. Jane's addition same guy. There's only one song you remember That was that one good kept so the one that say where they say we make great pets Oh, yeah, yeah Yep, that's kind of their one hit if you can call it a hit. That's they're probably their most well known. Yeah That was the one that made it to 120 minutes on mtv I just remember being I just remember laughing at the time thinking you've named yourself after A theory theoretical form of pornography designed specifically for people who like to burn things Who said theoretical? Well I mean, I know at the time maybe it was More theoretical but these days rule 34 dictates. That's not even the most theoretical there is. That's true Puddle of mud I remember them The that that one still bugs me Why Stuttering when they might be giants That I like I love them. I remember when they used to come on screen savers and call for help or screen savers John and John Huba stank. Oh, I hate I know I can't say that but I just I wasn't fond of their music or their name Mata Hoople Mata I'll tow the wet sprockets in here Oh, this one I too say knee sketch over and over uh 30 30 old foot of grunts the heck is that? hooting the boat low fish. That's a good one archers of loaf I remember them yeah archers of loaf I will make you archers of loaf Like other described as noise rock Noise rock. Yeah My grandma would have said they're all noisy. They should always All right, well, we are all published. Thank you all for watching Have a lovely day We'll talk to you tomorrow