 and we'll start right out with the reasons to the play of the United States of America and the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay um we want to do an introduction then everybody know everyone here we want to make uh I don't get mad that you don't know. I know, okay. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, everybody's here then. So we'll go, we'll skip right up to 2.1 approval of the minutes from 3.9. Move to approve the second minutes. Motion's made and seconded. Any other discussion on those? Already. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Chair votes aye. Minutes are approved. 3.1 resolution 37 21 22 July 19 2021 document 4.9 a resolution authorizing appropriate city officials to accept two grants from the Wisconsin coastal management program. Yes, Mr. Chairman. These are Wisconsin coastal management grants and we've actually had two applications from the department. One was with Joe Curlin our superintendent of parks and forestry is looking to update our comprehensive park in open space plan. It's a plan that needs to be updated every five years and that plan also then once approved and communicated and updated is eligible for other grant opportunities through the DNR for park and rec and other activities. So it's a very important piece for planning as well as helping us then do master plans as well as improvements in other areas of the city for parks and rec areas. So Joe, if you want to add some more about the comp plan. Yeah, yeah, this is this is the current one but it ended in 2020. The one before this the city worked with the consultants and I can't remember the name of them but and then when that was due I worked with Janet from planning and we basically took that we did all that did a lot of stuff ourselves and made our own plan and we think it'd be very beneficial at this time to now work with another consultant again and we worked with Grave for the Grave with JC Park and that turned out really nice. We're thinking hopefully we'll be working with them. So and again it's very imperative that we have current ones to allow us to get state and federal grants. And is it it's all the parks? Yeah so all all of the parks in the city you know trails, parks, anything that's that you can get a grant for state and federally kind of have you have to kind of be able to refer to your plan to even be able to try to get that grant. Okay and do you have a plan here on the DPW website? I'm not sure if we have this one because this is like just just outdated but I'm sure certainly we can get you a copy. We can get you a copy. So that that's that that's the first first grant and now these grants are matching so 25,000 we'll be going for that which we will also then pay 25,000 for a total of 50,000 and when we get the grant the consultant on board we'll bring that back to the committee for your review as well look at some of the work they'll do and the details of the of their contract for your approval eventually with that as well. The second part of the 25,000 that we also received is going to be used for shoreline restoration Lake Michigan. This is just one project but there's about 11 to 12 different areas along Sheboygan's Lakeshore that we've had pretty severe erosion with the High Lake water. Therefore we've identified them early on with a kind of a preliminary study that was used to help submit this grant. So the grant will help us go to the next phase. We are going to engage an engineering consulting firm and what they're going to do is they're going to look at each of these sites and develop some plans in terms of how to access for repair what types of repairs are eligible or what we can do to help protect the shoreline but also do it in a not just a little rock down there we want to do something more sustainable much more environmentally sound that will be more blended with some of the nature we just don't want to throw a bunch of concrete along the Lakeshore and say oh we're good we can walk away and actually the permitting agencies such as the Corps of Engineers as well as the DNR are looking for that as well that's why they like this grant application is because we're approaching shoreline protection and more an environmental sustainable method it could be planting vegetation such as trees but yet allowing views for the neighbors and the property owners along there so we're looking at a variety of techniques one of the biggest things is you can imagine is access is very difficult because of the lake bluff it's steep and with high water levels there's not a lot of room on the bottom of the slope the travers now we we've been fortunate the lake level has come down a little bit but we're still at a at a high level it's only come down 14 inches which is great but in normal it's probably still above two feet about where our normal water level is so that's where that portion of the grant again it's matching 25,000 from the state coastal management and then 25 from engineering and we've already have a proposal from full infrastructure full infrastructure is the group that's doing all the design for this they're very well versed in shoreline projects that's part of the reason why they're on this project and it just seemed like a natural extension since they're doing so much work already that we could pinpoint these other 12 roughly areas and work with them to develop plans for that as well so we'll be bringing that back in the near future to the committee for your review once once we finalize the grant and we get the monies in place the next step would be to come back to the committee and share those contracts with you on that board um one thing I just wanted to point out to um if anyone's interested in what you mean that um uh your own video that you did uh if someone wants is that available on are they still able to I think it's still on our on our website or someone wants that wants to see that that's so that you kind of be point out a lot of those areas in that and that's you know for people to see that's 10 minute video and we're planning to do probably another flight okay fairly with this within the summer august is a good time because typically the winds aren't as strong and so we'll have an opportunity to hear um what I was going to say real quickly too is this is a pretty pretty um pretty nice award from the state coastal management in fact they're coming to the boy again on wednesday thursday thursday and uh the department director of department administration from madison's going to be in town along with the mayor and we're going to have it at the kayak launch which was a prior awardee of this program and they're going to present the big nice check to the city kind of uh for photo opportunity so just want to share that with you uh joseph yeah i required so i'm completely in favor of this uh when we come back with those projects i'd love to understand how the private landowners and all that kind of gets worked in when we talk about this further yes i'd be really interested in how that works out that's that's part of that's part of the study and that's that's the difficulty the city the city does own a lot of the lake short okay but then there's private property at the top of the bluff in a lot of cases but it's accessing and in agreements that how do we access and do we get easements do we do and and is that a fee easement for this or because a lot of this is going to be for the protection of those private properties and not necessarily a lot even though it's public land on the bottom it the primary beneficiary is that private landowner so the the key will be we're going to do these improvements to your benefit as well so we're not looking to buy easements or there should be hopefully some uh mutual understanding and benefit benefit to this project we both share in that so that's going to be if that's going to be the big thing is any of the river levels does that have anything to do with this like obviously the water rising is always affecting the river and that flooding like is any of that play in in how your late Michigan definitely affects the the river it we're so close and the height of Lake Michigan actually will will have a big factor on the lake uh the level of the Shaboy River in fact uh for instance like the beer garden area in that last year was all really predicated on Lake Michigan's level not so much of a lot of rain that was coming through or anything like that so it we we haven't had nearly as much this is mainly Lake Michigan mainly because that's why it's it's part of that coast coastal management sure okay I will say though I think that their plan our plan the the five-year comp plan can complement each other because I would say $50,000 is probably a little high but we really threw in we really threw in heavy um land management okay and and we have a lot of city land along the river yeah so you think about Shaboy River and the Bidgin River there's a lot of land management along so in that grant we purposely said that we're going to concentrate on that too for that for the for yeah for my grant okay that makes sense all right any other questions got a motion and a second any other discussion all in favor any opposed chair votes aye that is passed 3.2 general ordinance number 13-21-22 July 19-20-21 document 6.3 Nordens replacing the traffic control light signal at the intersection of Healy and north 15th street with stop signs at all four corners of the intersection of Healy Avenue and north 15th correct yes mr. Chairman again I what I'm going to talk about you know my old refer to Ryan or start a city engineer he's been instrumental in managing this project and working with the property owners in the intersection so um as you probably currently know we're reconstructing and resurfacing Healy Avenue all the way from Kelly met to north third street and whenever you you do a road such as that you always look at the traffic control for instance if there's a set of traffic signals there and what you do is you do we did an in-house study there's certain criteria you look at like the amount of traffic the amount of accidents the number of pedestrians if you have so much of each one of those that triggers you to put up traffic signal lights like for instance we're putting up new signals out self business drive and Georgia Avenue because those those traffic signals are getting are getting triggered to get put up because of the big kind of development and development at Vanderbark oh yeah well right this so these these signals at 15th Healy were put up put up back in 1982 and you you just know what traffic patterns of chains sometimes they get bigger sometimes they get smaller so we did an in-house study to see if traffic signals are really needed and they're they're not triggered a little function better as a four-way stop and whenever you can eliminate traffic signals that's a good thing because number one they're expensive to maintain they're expensive to buy new stuff you get hit by by other vehicles it's just just the maintenance of the headache but if you need them you need them but we don't need them up for anymore so we drafted the ordinance that you're rid of the the traffic signals from 1982 and we're just now we're doing an ordinance just install a four-way stop it'll function better with a four-way stop back in 1882 why they were put up I have no idea land use changed there a lot of schools the school there's no longer there there was the shopping center where they had the old the pick and save the commercial shopping district there so there were a lot of accidents there though weren't there like a significant amount of accidents that happened on that corner they're like you know like in the last the last five years no not in the last five years but I know in my lifetime I've got a couple yes my brother's lost friends of intersection when you look at accident you go back five years that's a standard well what was in rcs prior to that I'm sure that generous part of plastics engineering yeah that's right so and they were they had some production in there as well so again different types of chaff traffic generators pretty much at that time probably needed the traffic signals haven't they've been actually now in the last year or so been actually functioning more they've been flashing red quite a bit yeah a good portion of the day anyways right and that's and that's part of the study too we we put on flashing red for several months yeah because then that that's that's a true true story you'll see if you have issues and there was no issues besides doing the actual study and numbers and color and all that stuff so and then on glee where's the next like stop after that so once you pass 15th and say you're headed to 13th I believe 13th okay when when that school went away at that out was that washington yeah we took those signals down we did the same thing we did the traffic set it all over schools and kids crossing so we ate those out of them too but when you do these studies do you also ask the residents uh no I mean you just do you do the colors I mean you just do it to mean the numbers tell you which you know there's certain if you get an accident one of the accidents they take some over cars pedestrian crossings you do all those counts that's what triggers it yeah and you go back five years in an accident and four-way stop is one of the safest alternatives to traffic control versus traffic signals everyone thinks signals are are great they move traffic but more accidents especially severe accidents that traffic signals with green light red light people trying to beat the beat the lights accelerating through and just zoning out missing the red light correct you know back in the early 80s you had a wasted bar up there too and that was a shot in a beer place so it's very popular so generally a lot of traffic so what what do we do with the signals once we take them down are they going to be like backups of somebody knocks one down on another street or you just toss it oh no Mike Mike uses a witty game with something that's up a soul yes and then we wish up we do we do all that for future not talking to stuff like that okay parts of pieces and none of this would be salvaged no I need to be updated credited intersection so all of the stuff will be salvageable other than the bases and stuff like that so motion to approve second motion made and seconded any other discussion all in favor I have imposed general aside we are as approved okay 3.3 resolution 38 21 22 july 19 2021 dockwood 7.3 a resolution authorizing the appropriate city officials to execute the easement for torcanal incorporated and I want to read the parcel of response okay and Mr chairman again I know deferred to Ryan okay and his staff have been working on this portal is a pretty successful company in town here what they do is they add like see we have like a concrete floor and a business something you want to add color to it's they like red chips or you want to make a different color out of different patterns that's what they do in their business doing very very well they have a shop on barrens parkway that's that's where the building is actually a couple months once on barrens parkway they want to buy the parcel right directly next to it for warehouse but between these two parcels the city has a 50 foot drainage easement that kind of drains the industrial part 50 foot drainage easement throughout the whole industrial part so they want to be able to go from one building to the other without going over the street going on the driveway so they want to build a driveway over top of our easement so they want to easement on top of our easement and that's that's what that's what this grant so they have access to hold that in for whether they're going to do with that drainage easement they're not going to fill it in we're going to make them put big culvert pipes in there and it's written Thomas has it written they've got to be okay maintained it's got to be clean if it gets washed out for whatever reason it's on it's on them to uh to repair but yeah they they want access to be safer heck a lot more efficient oil it's really coming around yeah so it's it's an easement on top of these which is you yeah you see it it's it's a little bit different but it works red stripe right what's that the red stripe building the red stripe building there and is it a red stripe building you know it's right it's right next to a retention pot or red red accents they're building a second building with the plans to extend further right yes yeah okay we have a couple plans although the industrial part also because you know like I said they they need they need a storage space so that's that's a request makes sense makes sense make a motion just to understand one so the the easement is we gave the easement to torgenal at prior time and now they are getting the easement to to build the driveway yeah right yeah you know so we we had an easement at one point the city may have owned the land and we we established a drainage easement so that that didn't necessarily come from torgenal you know at some point in the past and we are now giving them an easement over our drainage easement so we are allowing them to go back and forth on top of it because they've agreed to create a system where we still can drain water like we need to so our our interests are still protected it solves their problem but it also ships all of the obligations and all of the costs onto them because we're perfectly happy with the status quo so because they want this that's fine yeah that's their problem yeah thank you good and these chips are really nice by the way i was like i feel like i know this wait i feel this i just had forked her a couple months ago i had forked her floors here and she was going to do my garage floor what a difference and i'm two of my neighbors are going to do it now also yeah because of that yeah it was amazing how it pitted that thing got that over almost 38 years they came in and ground it down they went through the whole process they got there at seven o'clock in the morning and they were done at one o'clock in the afternoon it's really cool 2,300 bucks are worth it all right any other discussions wait for motion motion to approve second made second any other discussion uh all's in favor hi hi the opposed chair what's i that is approved okay we go with uh 3.4 resolution 39 2122 july 19 2021 document 7.4 the solution authorizing the appropriate city officials to enter into an addendum to the contract with full infrastructure and environment llc for design services related to the south side interceptor system rehab access row and chirline protection program there this chairman yes it's right on the wall here okay and then you know again i'll let ryan kind of explain this as i mentioned we kind of gave you a little precursor of the project it's about 8,000 feet long well so make sure from a little bit you know north of king park all the way to the treatment plant it's a 60 inch diameter concrete type that handles probably approximately 50 percent yeah of all the sewage that comes to the plant so 50 percent of the city is part part of also the town of shabuagan flows through this as well we're a regional plant not just city so we treat sewage from town of shabuagan town of wilson coaler shabuagan falls for instance so with this project you know we're talking shoreline protection protection of that asset manholes need to be reconditioned and everything the pipe is in good condition we did that assessment so that's a good a good thing but we still have to clean the pipe and protect it and in order to protect it there's going to be literally tons and tons of stone and large revetment that is going to be needed to be trucked in we're looking at lake view park as a staging point and as well as an area north of king park around indiana in that area nevertheless this is going to affect a lot of different properties along here and we need access agreements as well as easements potentially so as part of that we're going to have to have legal descriptions and that described and eventually once we get those legal documents written legal descriptions of of the land that's needed for the easements we will then in turn then need to engage another consultant that actually goes out negotiates value looks at the value and will purchase those and they're limited in some cases they're limited easement in terms of they're just for the construction they're not going to be permanent we don't need them once it's built and we don't have to have access to their property anymore they go away by about ryan if you want to explain a little bit more yeah i guess so we want to build a 12 foot access roll along you're so soon access to that sewer now is impossible i'm guessing back in 1936 when they installed this thing you probably had 300 or 400 feet of sand out there is real easy access so we need to build an access in order to build this 10 or 12 foot access or at the bottom of the plump we're going to need to creep on some of those properties some of some of the slopes of those properties and i think the people are going to be in favor of this because it's going to help stabilize their this kind of goes back to what we mentioned before there's a mutual benefit here we need to get access to some of their property where it comes down but it's also going to benefit their property by providing added protection long term for shoreline and and wave action that over the years has eroded some of this area yeah we just can't go on people's property we need legal right they got to sign off it's got to go through promises office and so we're anticipating hopefully mutual benefits here cooperative property owners that would see the see the benefit and and for the most case we're we're not anticipating to pay for these easements but as part of the process we need to go through the steps to protect ourselves because that that's their they have that right and if what we'll do is we'll do the full narrative appraisal and and go through a process just in case if we don't get a cooperative property order that says no way there's no way you can come on my property we all ultimately have the proper documentation the relocation orders the proper steps in place to ultimately have to go through the eminent domain process we never like to get there and that's a worst case scenario in most cases we've we've been able to negotiate and come to a mutual understanding but it is a process we go through and and this is just the first step we got to get the legal descriptions described we'll go out get those full narrative appraisals we'll get the relocation orders once we have those legal descriptions back and go through the process so what do we fourth infrastructure and environmental let's see actually do they will be thousand dollars they're going to provide the actual legal description they're going to go out and survey and provide that description for each parcel along here which then we'll have that's a legal document that we'll have then we have we have surveyors in our department that can do this work but right now we're so busy and since both already is designing this they'll they'll know exactly what they need for land if we would if we would now try to inter interject our crews in there the the danger of that is we don't we don't provide enough land and we have to re amend the legal description or come after the fact so it's just good to use the original designer now this wasn't part of the original contract we thought originally we have enough land and there we could the difficulty is where we're working in with the what's called the ordinary high water mark along the lake shore and agencies such as the dnr and the core of engineers don't like to go out in the water with new structures so if anything you build within and you build back into the bank and that's what we have to do therefore we have to when we laid this all out we did find out that yes we're starting to encroach in some existing properties and the the other piece of that $30,000 is the title for and there are some hundred year title searches and those are that's expensive that's probably the majority of the work when when will this be completed then and when the actual hauling starts at night we're hoping that this could be constructed next year where the plans are probably about 75% complete this next phase we're hoping to get out with the weather yet this year we should have that wrapped up early fall probably come back with some additional documents back to this committee for the relocation order process and then right now i think we're we're anticipating you know as i mentioned it's about eight million dollars we're thinking they're talking with the city administrator that potentially the ARPA money would be best possible use because eight million dollars of infrastructure on the wastewater rates and steve i think you did did a quick calculation it significantly jacked up your quarterly water bill so there's an opportunity that this is beneficial to everybody by using that funding that we had got from the FETS that that keeps your water and sewage bill at today's rates by using that that money and it's eligible this is an eligible activity for the ARPA funding so there's a there's that's what we'll be discussing further as as we get further along and we start talking about the uses of it and that's you know not not set in stone by any means but it's it's it's a good potential and it and it benefits again all the community because we all use sewage treatment plant we all flush our toilets so ultimately everyone benefits in that savings and once once fourth does their work um will the city negotiate with owners or would they do that first we there's there's another there's another firm that we use that does that specifically ryan you can explain explain that they're they're actually they're i don't know what they are they're not a realtor but they're no there's a there's one gentleman saying okay we need 50 square feet of your property there's one gentleman he does your praisle saying okay that's it's worth whenever a hundred dollars and there's another gentleman that does all the actual acquisition he makes sure you get the right forms on time you get this form within 60 days you have to return it within 60 days he's the one I call this role there's certain that's why like David mentioned it ends up in the domain where you kind of have to think if you follow it all the processes that procedures and we'll have to hire that individual once we once we get this once once once we get all these easements drafted and we'll talk to that company about about going through that process but there's a praisle guy to see what the little bit of easements were and then the actual procedure meet there's there's there's a pretty strict protocol on thank you on submitting those forms and if it gets to to eminent domain is the committee involved again or the committee doesn't have I mean it's not involved with that sorry I'm just just curious because that's the first time I am yeah that's a good question we typically when we go through the relocation order we're authorized to do that so that the committee would be involved in the relocation order it would go through almost certainly this committee and then back to council from there that sort of sends staff you know sort of gives them their marching orders as to you know go do this you know I don't know that it's always spoken but I think it's it's always unspoken the goal is not eminent domain you know the goal is to try to work something out hopefully long before then but wanting to make sure we've got those those eyes dotted those t's crossed if it gets to that point then we have all of our ducks in a row to continue to mix my metaphors so that we can we can move forward and and proceed to court if that's if that's where it takes us I was just going to mention that our water rates are very very good in shabuigan and I think it's good that we keep them that way and I think it's a feather in shabuigan's cap when developers come in especially industries that use a lot of water to know that you know that competitively we're in a very good spot and I think we want to stay that way so for thirty thousand dollars they're doing a survey and title work on 30 properties I don't know exactly it says right here 30 properties okay yeah so but they're doing survey work and title work so uh being a realtor to get a survey done and a title done on one property is probably going to run somewhere about two thousand bucks this is a great deal spot on but use them on funds I mean it's it's probably because we're doing so many properties so that time company boy okay we're you know they're cutting you a deal yeah yeah and plus it's all residential it's a little bit simple like a commercial stuff 400 bucks a property for title surveying to get a guy out there and it's what's expensive it's just a show up one to the next to the next it's probably cheaper because you're going from one property right down the line like that probably so we'll get back to your question when we need to sign a easement that has to come through calls would be approved by the committee and the college council all those documents ones are signed make a motion to approve this second most main second any other discussion all those in favor aye aye any opposed chair votes aye that is approved 3.5 mid-year performers report for the department of public works discussion only yes mr chairman it's there we want to provide the report for you this evening I have this evening we have the staff here it's just for your review but you know it's again we try to give you past years to kind of give you a benchmark of where we're where we've been in the past at this point mid-year for the department and certain activities is that I could tell you this year it's been it's it's it's good to be back or I think you can see a lot of activity I hope you were able to get here without having to go through too much detours of road construction but that's a good thing because as you know we we hear that all the time of all state of our roads and we need we need to concentrate on that and this year again I think is evident that we've really put put a large effort into into that activity um I I'm not going to go through every every page this evening again this is just informational um I do have as I mentioned the the superintendents are here and they have like a highlight and they're in their area but yeah um that would be fun when I would start with I'm ready to I'm going to start with Jason put you on the spot Jason and if you turn to page two we can keep since he has a lot of the activity for the streets and those are the most visible type of activity that you see and I'll let Jason talk about some of the challenges you might see some some to stick some stats that have decreased and you might be wondering why I'll let Jason kind of go through some of that so the main thing is cold mix we didn't use any of this winter because we bought a a recycling asphalt hot wax a whole wagon so when we're done paving in the summer we dump the hot mix asphalt in the back we break it up into chunks and in the winter you know we can put that in the recycler and only heat it up and we take actually the vegetable oil that gets strapped off from the recycling center and mix that in and it makes hot mix which is a better repair so this winter we used we didn't use very much cold mix our potholes are down a little bit mainly we usually use the college kids in the summer fill in the potholes but hiring this year has been a challenge I've only got one season over I normally have three or four so the potholes are full-time and it's an easier job and our staff is doing more technical stuff so we're pulling them off and filling them in when we can the same thing with a catch basin cleaning typically the college kids would be the ones cleaning out the catch basin just to give a perspective right I think we start our seasonal at around 10 to 11 dollars per hour oh yeah so we're way behind for seasonal type of work and this year we really felt it so um yeah it's been a struggle especially and in the work that we do for for seasonal type of work it's not it's it's hard I mean you're out in potholes pothole collecting garbage in the parks we you know we on a weed trimmer all days out in the heat it's it's pretty it's not but we're finding that at our at our rate of pay compared to what the market it's like the market just leapfrogged us so what are you doing about that well we started we started discussions that were we actually establishing our budgets for next year and we just met with all the superintendents today to talk about summer seasonal how can we adjust our budgets and how can we assure that we're going to get the right staffing to help us during this you know this is the we're seasonal a lot again this this is the year where those extra hands taking the skilled labor and keeping them on the projects and not having to do you know pothole filling or weed trimming or grass cutting and making sure we're getting the repairs done and making sure the facilities are up to to what they need to be repaired well I will say along the lake and the trash has been fantastic because I haven't seen any so and then we've got out early this year the weather is favorable so we have a lot of our paving done Taylor and I had to load we had some repairers out the avenue which was a lot of asphalt three blocks and the mill was supposed to be coming in sometime next week we'll be milling 12th street from the neon to greenfields next week hopefully and we'll start asphalt putting our asphalt down there and then park avenue be paving park third broden avenue next coming weeks too one of the other things I've been doing is using some of the the streets weepers we're down a little bit there too because those guys have been helping out in other areas but we do have a lot of asphalt done if you would turn to the next page we just take a quick overview of the recycling jason the recycling's coming back out a little bit from what's stayed up or the garbage I was saying that COVID year we jumped up quite a bit recycling's holding steady um we've been last year I think we saw it was a 12 percent increase in recycling overall was the switch to the cans so I'm just finishing that we got a grant from the recycling partnership so I was putting those numbers together so we've seen a pretty good increase in actual tonnage of recycling have you been getting a lot of requests from residents about doing every week recycling pickup some um not a whole lot okay um to go to every what's what would it cost what would it cost yeah it would cost two additional personnel that's going to be your most expensive okay and then two more additional trucks two actually three because I'll need another spare I only have one spare now but if I had two more that would be an additional spare problem I find it hard that we fill it like someone fills a weekly like biweekly yeah I could understand too to make a city Milwaukee just got a grant to go to every other week they were every three weeks so the industry standard is every other week the people who asked me were from color color does it weekly and it's like yeah they do it weekly mainly and it's advanced disposal and it might go away because advanced disposal just this start of the state was the only people that bought the trucks with the split hopper where they can don't bolt at the same time the problem with those trucks is the recycling doesn't pack as good as garbage because of the volume so the recycling fills up before the garbage van the garbage site is so you know what happens you just start dumping or sleeping in the car I mean but those trucks I mean I think that's going to go away eventually around this area because trucks are not that popular the spring I was in Kansas City and I saw what they had to recycle and that was just like they actually have like these bins the size of that toilet that's what those people had I mean plus it's an open-air toilet so I you know you imagine somebody throws their newspapers in an open-air toilet that's going to help yeah if we didn't switch that's what we would have enforced and I saw that and I went oh my god I'm so glad to what we have what you guys have you know came up with is much better I'm really surprised we almost filled that thing up every two weeks the recycling one and I never thought you I figured you know maybe half full but we're but I noticed more amazon boxes the um the the public housing authority apparently has not been doing recycling and um we've rectified that we've been taking care of okay yeah we got a complaint initiated them and then the resident called the state and then the state called me too and but I told them they were working on it they had a hard time getting them delivered I had I had intervened the police company a little so that's what was the issue and how was it solved I told them that they need to be recycling under the state guidelines otherwise that our building inspection will come out and then there we didn't have to get to that okay cool thank you so I just dropped off brochures for them for all their units um so they know how to properly recycle Jason now that you've been in this for about a year has it gone pretty well as anticipated and in in particularly some of the neighborhoods that might be a challenge because of the alleys and getting equipment in there and all that stuff so we still have about a thousand stops with the old truck that we do over the week um I think it's gone better than expected all right but honestly one final one about the trashcan things I know I had a a block of mine evans avenue that's been a pain for a while saying that they have that big hill in some houses how many stops are we going to or the driver's getting out and actually helping people or those kind of issues um there I do not know the number on the top of my head but there is probably there's a handful I don't even want to put a number on I mean it's because it's not a lot of medical stops where it's an elderly individual lives alone that the driver comes out I mean if it's 15 over the 18,000 15 or 20 over 18,000 stops that the drivers go up to the driveway or or do it so it's not a lot thanks for making that happen yeah I had a question Mr. Chairman going back to the first page regarding the cemetery cemeteries grade sold 30 the large cemetery uh is it legal let's say for a couple would buy a grave and they're both going to be cremated in one lot can you put can you put two urns I know they do that in some so many ways you can put two cremates absolutely you can and you can put it with a casket too but they would just be very good so we would not allow that we would allow we do a full burial in a grave and then we can do in a full grave two cremates we would not we would not we don't do it by that correct okay we would just suggest two two graves time okay how many sites do we have left so um we have some underdeveloped areas um that um we we can identify grades and I don't need to get back to you on that because it's 20 is it's about it's about 20,000 it's probably now that that that that figure's probably about 10 years old so you know I probably say it's probably more like 18,000 now 18,000 more people can die and we can bury them yes okay thank you for that capacity now they're not all planted they're not all planted sites underdeveloped so it's underdeveloped and then one of the but in our we have plenty of capacity in what I would say there are available sites that we have we have two sections that are our primary new actually three so we have section 18 um section 20 is beautiful we're putting people in section 17 just depending on what people want we have had a large uh business need people are buying like certain ethnic groups are buying like 12 graves they're they're buying family plots now I think that's smart right so they're buying like a section of six or 12 so as you can see my number for graves sold has increased dramatically um but then we also have our scattering garden one and two scattering the scattering garden yes scattering gardens it was available and we did a beautification project last year oh that's cool I do offer you know um burying cremates in the ground as well as the scattering garden and it seems that there's the trend is more towards cremains versus full burials so funny price yeah what is that what is the price of the uh so it would be about 650 for a grave and then about 250 to 350 just depending on if you're going to put one or two yeah so know that um our prices are very very reasonable to increase increase them for 2022 so that will be coming so I don't buy one of this are we are we running a flash sale don you charge for a site with a view I had a question about garbage I know not now but is there any thought in the future to discuss composting bins too it was just in Austin this past week and there the whole city is moved to yeah they do recycling trash and composting vets so I think you're seeing um private companies starting to offer I yes off that compost yeah probably one of the larger larger ones and that that's going to probably be the next shift from the industry of the version yep it's going to be food waste um you'd have to look at it honestly the you have to do some studies that I mean the tonnage it's landfilling is pretty cheap right now to uh and when that starts getting more expensive you'll see it more because then it's a that's another container it's another truck and it's another another person okay so the cost of doing that you know I think landfilling is around forty four dollars a ton so how much food weigh I'm at what you know that's all the tonnage of food waste you're and compare that so are you thinking about that in five ten years or like is that are we just like well there's a way to live it's a little bit of combination of both we're we monitor the industry the trends and for at least for this part of the country it really isn't uh what I would say is a hot topic sure there's not there's not a real big push for for it uh so yeah one of the things is that Wisconsin was pretty progressive in and banning the yard waste from garbage and that is a lot of the volume so your food scraps is is now is minor with our drop off site for the grass clippings and branches and so forth it gets delivered here that all that material gets recycled compost it never goes to a landfill and gets beneficial reuse with somewhere in the community ryan the branches you can get the mulch you can put that in your garden the grass clippings we work with a local landscaper they take it they compost it they have the they have a large farm where they can turn it and and work it and get beneficial compost eventually we just don't have the land or the space to do that shift okay right no that's a good question and there's there's a lot of those types of environmental trends that that were we're always monitoring and trying to stay stay stay on top of last one I think for me uh garbage collected tons of the park maintenance repairs painting um you don't recycle it at public parks do we we don't collect a difference I know it'd be hard for them to sort it but like if we don't try why not wait wait we are looking to convert our vehicle right now cannot separate okay but that vehicle is getting aged and there is a what we call a smaller version of our our container trucks and that could have the opportunity to then pick up parks and we could have both recycling and garbage in our parks um to be collected with similar to how it would be at the curbside those types of one of the one of the difficulties is with the parks is contamination and that's the that's that's the big big you know in the parks it's anything goes and if the garbage can'ts full and they'll just throw anything into the in the recycling band so that's that's the big dilemma because we just don't want to then all that and also our recycling is all contaminated then we get it ends up costing so it's it's it we're well aware of it we're trying to figure out what's the best method to make sure that we're getting good compliance and good collection of that material some communities they'll be honest have eliminated garbage receptacles in the parks yep it's kind of like what you take in you take out yeah Austin's the state Austin reboots in their city parks so that that that that some you know that's a debate that that's something we're going to have to analyze as a community are we are we in the state the state parks that's that's that's the other issue so there's there's a lot of a lot a lot of issues in terms of you know there's some pros that we could talk about there's some things that are not so good and how do we balance that what what's the best possible so we think we spend well over 200 hours on the garbage and really like a lot of the effort we'll have to start with just training the community first right but you have to train the consumer first that's a very difficult thing to do because they kind of brings back the back to Jason how how are we doing as a community as far as i mean we've been as far as you know as our big big contamination is there yeah i got called out one time and i got lucky because a coals dump came and plastic was flying on and um i meant this one before was sold off at the GFL and i was out there at the regional our trucks got dumped and we went through i have not and called we've not been fined anything over 10 percent contamination is fine with the recycling so uh we've we've been we've been really good i'm confused if it's a that story didn't make a lot of sense to me so they called me out and we inspected our loads but it's because they said one of our loads some of your contamination is getting bad okay great before our truck don't truck from coals came contamination with plastic and cardboard all over the you know it was all the plastic bags and and it just came everywhere all the way everywhere and our our trucks came and i'm like what's the problem here it's not us and that was the only time i was called on the question so in the in the year we have not been fined for we haven't exceeded 10 percent contamination lots good here that's really good here um for the events for park rentals is this what is done for the rest of the summer or is this just so we have your now here up until the end of June so yes we have been busy we have been busy we have been busy with park permit Germany so citizens are using the parks and Joe's busy you have to rent those like the open shelters you have to rent those too they're they're not being rented then people use them okay you know we put a reserve sign on there and it's for that person okay but i gotta come in David and Don when they came to this group two years ago to raise you can see that you know okay we have 266 rentals as of half the year i mean we did pretty good in 2018 too but i mean it's quite an increase you know there was questions are people gonna want to rent blah blah i mean they are they want to rent um their great facilities and really bring our revenues up too because we put a lot of time in there for sure we we have people you know every time there's a rental we've got to send someone in the weekend making overtime money you know cleaning that place up for the next rental so there's a lot of time there's a lot of time and money spent perhaps the areas too so it's nice that we we had a pretty subtle increase it's been quite a while and you can see it's really banging off were you are you able to add support like staff with all of this or have you just been like okay all right okay so i'll make sure he's cleaning there yeah so i mean kind of an overview again you know there's treatment plant steve runs a fantastic facility he's grade eight i mean there is such a term for sewage but he does get he does get straight a's and his grades that he has to report for the dnr and maintaining our our proper uh treatment and uh water quality so that's a good thing it gets in with the if for some of you newer to the console we we about five years ago the dryer project it was a significant capital investment that we made at the treatment plant so there's two two sides of treatment of sewage you have the the wet side and the solid side so the process is to take the solids out of the water manage it and then through that process you're cleaning the water for ultimate discharge of sewage that water gets cleaned to a high quality and then eventually it goes right back to Lake Michigan taking out the solids then there was a process where it gets thickened it gets managed and for for several years it went to farm fields and it got injected as fertilizer it gets there's a certain type of equipment it gets injected it nourishes the farm fields and and so forth the difficulty with that is there's only a very limited window of when you can actually apply this to the farm fields so what we needed to do is we had on-site storage of solids millions of gallons of sludge and it's a couple of times we were we were getting in trouble because we're getting too full we didn't have the capacity the fields weren't ready what do we do what do we do so ultimately we looked into the future and we said this is this has been sustainable we cannot continue to operate this way we're at the mercy of the weather farm fields who knows and what we did is we purchased a large piece of equipment called the dryer and so what we do is we take that wet solid material and we evaporate even more moisture out of it to get it more solid basically it becomes a it's called a class A product fertilizer and then it can be used it doesn't have to go to a special looking it can be used anywhere it can be used and we we have a contractor that now takes it for fertilizer repackages it and can use it so it is significantly reduced our reliance on farm fields has reduced our cost it was very costly you can imagine contracting someone to pick up this haul it in tanker trucks out to farm fields and inject it and it's really positioned the treatment plant and steve staff for a long-term future it really eliminated a lot of headaches and helps us manage our solid waste which was millions and millions of gallons down to maybe a couple thousand tons of material yeah we're about 1800 tons I think we did last year dry we're in the past it was eight nine million probably yeah that we injected in the farm fields gallons so regardless just wanted to let you know that it's been we've had a lot of headaches when we first implemented that project it was it was very difficult to get optimized we are now at a good place in this plant and so that's a good thing let's see actually you're even shows the natural gas consumed is less and the produced more miles up yeah and and we've been seeing a little higher moldings coming to the plant BOD and suspended solids this year so that's what's contributing to the biogas and then we had a boiler that can run either natural gas or biogas and it always ran natural gas because it was had problems on biogas but we got that fixed this year and so now it's running both in the past we had turbines running yet so we were using the gas that way but the turbines are done they they can't be fixed any longer so now we're using this boiler so you are getting the the waste coming in the sewage and using gas off that to power the machine so the sludge that we process first goes to what's called an anaerobic digester where it's digested and then that produces methane yes and then that's your biogas yes and that's what we burn in our boilers you just make it makes it out to make heat that's we use that for for drying and for heating our digesters those digesters have to be heated so we maintain the temperature in those 90 degrees no i haven't okay yeah you never came over i'm bringing in there one time let's try to go to the power steve always willing he's always looking down so what percentage of biogas compared to non biogas i couldn't i'd have to calculate the percentage of markets yeah it's it's right now it's probably about 40 percent 35 40 percent biogas and then 65 natural gas in this boiler and that's our big natural gas consumer yes go ahead thank you we're not so much in the power generating business anywhere that are we don't have any power i noticed back here in 2019 it said total total plant electrical power generated and then 20 and 21 nothing right so in october of 19 jim the last turbine that's when it's that they're just they weren't worth fixing any longer and but but for a while though for some of the new older persons we for a while we were actually off the grid we're wasting we're we're selling i'm selling it back yeah but it probably probably generated you know in reality about 65 percent of our life is it just not cost is it cost prohibited to put new ones in at this point or very cost okay compared to the energy costs it's yeah it's it's better utilization of the gas for especially with natural natural natural gas is like way up in terms so sure if you uh man if you if you're still have time i got mic from facilities when you go over your area real quick making sure we're working top top i'm top down the first two blocks if you want to say it really uh pretend to our street lights and travest signal knockouts uh page mic thank you oh yes so like i said the first two blocks are really pertaining to our our street lights uh and travest signal knockouts um we just run the metrics every single year it varies um whether you know some of the knock downs are due to inattentive driving testing drunk drivers are most probably common um thinking like i said it fluctuates 2016 was our worst year for knockdowns we have one we actually average one per week so 2016 2016 it's happening in 2016 so it's certainly what's happening we need to look back so in the annual i think in the annual reports you can see that um and Dawn and her group um actually you know grafted it's it's just big home it's just a big cabinet sitting in there um but it's it's just one of those things um the average knockdown will range from you know a thousand dollars and we've had them all the way up to 110 thousand wow and that was so on it wanted to i don't know if you want to say play chicken with the bridge the east street bridge it took out a couple of our our our traffic control standards plus the arms that control the you know the arms that come down and stuff like that so i think it's kind of pricy um also responsible for all the you know the signage throughout this city shabuigan we also we we look at how many get knocked down if if we would have had do all the knockdowns first and i just want to say knockdown versus um hit and runs it's everybody gets hits and runs uh a lot of our traffic uh you know signage and stuff like that it's one of those metrics i might i like the update and actually kind of count um to find out what we spend per year on just say the lines so uh for what we call uh street markings so we just finished for the most part all of our line striping which is the center line the dotted lines the solid uh two lines um we did about 98.72 miles this year that's a little a little off about 11 miles off because we also started doing repainting our bike lines so how many gallons of paint is that like i do have to get it's over 2000 put that metric i i can make that for you that's just a is it yeah the center lines that's where we're talking 98 miles it's like almost 2000 gallons of paint that go down on the street so and just just you don't really realize but that's a lot of you know i don't remember can we do that yearly yes we refresh yearly so and also another metric that you'll see would be the the arrows the stop bars the crosswalks um those all get refreshed on the yearly basis actually if you want to be out there at midnight tonight we will be doing the roundabout so that um so it's very exciting yeah it's in indiana it's the only time we can get it really painted because it's the lowest level of traffic otherwise it's constantly moving it's almost impossible to we'll barricade and we'll send people off in a certain direction while paint's drying but we'd still have to allow access because the blue harbour area only has that's it's only access so we kind of get out there and we spray paint look around and don't try for a couple of minutes just stay back i think midnight on a tuesday makes sense yes it is one of the lower yeah there's still one yield off no i don't want to practice tire marks going on that's gotta be the worst so hey don't take don't take your your fat out tonight and then just the other um we do we do um hold on before you go off of the crosswalks and traffic errors why are we down compared to the past years like we're not done yet we're not done yet so mid-year 2020 you're at 367 this year like almost half right so a lot of this is due to weather wait okay gotcha so if we get out over something that we start um you'll see our next quarter really ramp up and you'll probably see it pretty much end so by the end of this week um uh Tyson one of my lead men we're looking at trying to get probably 95 percent of the arrows throughout shiboy again uh finish along with uh the ronobon stuff like that so that will vary and it's all weather dependent no just like with with jason's tools and stuff like with construction so it's all weather dependent so any if the lines are off i can text Tyson and tell him like i know you messed that up have you seen a footprints lead problem yeah but i'm sorry that's a ghost but it's our expert mike is uh do you have any of the utility costs from city hall prior to the rental compared we've been in now once it's september of 19 uh are we saving any money on utilities with all city hall compared to new so we we did we did measure we actually doubled so going from our going from the old we're called the old facility to the new facility we did run the night there's a little bit and we saw too much actually dollars well and there's there's a reason why for all of that what goes in the city hall now motorwise and meeting the mechanicals is is triple even more than that of what we actually have we had um we had one boiler now we have we have two very efficient boilers which are good we have two air and units one on the basement one on fourth floor never had that before um we have a chiller that we're running we have two fevered units everyone for the it department we have another iac unit sitting in for the it equipment or council chambers the amount of lights is increased dramatically we're now using the basement as an office space never used to do that um so um the alleged usage that has gone up um i'd have to take a peek at at the gas part of it but also we increase the square footage 11 000 square feet roughly an atrium yeah yeah we'll call it see the atrium is a little more difficult to yeah so if you look at the electrical it has gone up but i think if you think if you look at the overall city hall maintenance budget and where we're at it's pretty close to where we were overall so i think what i think we i have that as we had as part of the budget i we can provide that it's it's like a 10-year analysis of about seven years before in the last two three years so yeah the mic mic is correct in terms of let's say like electrical first script usage but gas is gas is pretty close um and there's some other factors in there but we will we'll be happy to share that how are we going to play happiness as well i think i think you've been a civilian like coming in and being in the space is much different and like filling out the forms and drop like it's just a different experience now it wasn't out totally your condition yeah that's also had a couple of window use but they were so ineffective you didn't you couldn't even run up yeah you couldn't listen to the meeting couldn't occur because i'm so loud but the building over on this is so efficient i mean first floor my chance area the old one you sat on a on a windy day you could pull through your hair the efficiencies are are are great on that building sort of in all of my years on the council one of the meetings i remember most in in the old city hall in the summer was 90 degrees or 95 degrees was the meeting that we had on whether we were going to ban pimples or not well the people couldn't bring their pimples up to the council chamber so they were down on center street and they were all barking if we had the windows open because we had to turn the air conditioners off so we couldn't hear what's going on the pimples parking down there for a minute it was it was just ridiculous we didn't ban them by the way we wanted a lot we wanted the owners to disperse before we walked out so i mean that was just a kind of a quite high-level overview you can look at the data we'll be happy to provide more and that's all all good goes gets fed into ultimately our annual report which has more narrative more description love photos and actually we're looking this is an older type of report that used to feed into a different report that is no longer needed and we're going to be looking to probably upgrade it a little bit and have a little bit more more information so we used to have to provide quarter of these and have an imc and now we were told by the new administration we can do semi-annually so we're hoping to maybe put together a presentation and maybe a small i guess version of our annual report yeah right and then that would all just be a natural extension as we finish the year a lot of will just feed into the annual report yeah also great job on the paradigm oh yes thanks that was gonna be my last thing yeah i hope you all go to uptown parklet downtown enjoy a cup of coffee or a mug of beer and enjoy the new public space yeah it looks really good thank you yes thank you this report was not attached to the agenda was it was it was the report no no and is there a reason for that um which we just typically don't it's not a best practice um we because in the past i haven't been able to attach this report due to the old administration i was only able to just attach a high-level i fc so we're kind of finding our way with the new administration what the criteria is so no but yeah that's the time i generally speaking i think it's a good idea to have documents ahead of time wherever um it is legally possible that's my opinion that because you need time to even do the numbers you need time to be sure and to digest them and so on so whatever possible that's something i personally would appreciate yeah i would i i i don't i don't have a problem sharing it in advance maybe sometimes it's not legally it's it's it's there it was there's there's been a change in administration and how how information was shared and i think you know by all means i i i agree the more i we can give you a well in advance to review because then you can come to the table with questions instead of hurrying up and looking through this and you know looking for questions so yeah you're going right absolutely all right anyone else have anything to say um next meeting date is august 10th and i will entertain a motion to adjourn move to adjourn second she made the second any discussion polls in favor i proposed we are adjourned thank you