 of so many backdrops where you're like, that's not where the Golden Gate Bridge would be in the background of that shot, you know, where the car is going over the top of the hill type thing. So it's like, there are certain gimmicks that I feel like all the San Francisco movies have, but I would probably feel that way about any city had I lived there long enough. Well, it's like cable cars don't run across town. They run in a very small segment of the city. It's like a Vegas when they show you Fremont Street that's for some reason seems 10 miles long, even though it's like, it was like four blocks, like with the cowboy boot and stuff, people thinking or have a pensive mood inside the car. It's like, no, that's not that long. I guess for Len, it would be, you know, the lake is always just yonder. You're like, well, that's not the direction it would be. Yeah. You know, like whatever that kind of, yeah. Well, we were talking earlier about Marvel movies and a couple of the big ones were shot here in Cleveland, Winter Soldier and the first Avengers was shot in Cleveland. So you'll see a lot of Cleveland architecture and every time I watch those movies, I go, that's not where that is. I know where that is. Right. Yeah. Well, actually that one does not actually go there. It's a quarter. Yeah, it can't fool me. You can't cross the town that quickly. Exactly. That's the biggest one they do for cities. It's like, how do they get from one end of the city to another in like two minutes? Which is probably where the Harrier AV-8 comes under the, Golden Gate. No, the freeway in, right across the street from where I worked. We saw movies being filmed all the time, not the, oh, the 105. It comes under the 105 freeway in a movie and then like 30 seconds later, it's down in Long Beach, down at the docks. Right? Where you're like, that would be like an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Which movie was it, Roger? Was that the one with Arnold Schwarzenegger in it? God, all of a sudden I'm just drawing a blank on what movie it was. Well, of course, Speed was my favorite. When the 105 freeway wasn't finished and they used Speed was where they jumped over the, oh no, it was way after True Lies. I think it was like a... Oh, it was after True Lies. Oh, the one I was thinking about was Bruce Willis. He's trying to get his daughters, the bad guy's got his daughter chasing him, probably. Die Harder. Yeah, one of the, I died hardest. Die Hard, the reckoning in that. Well, speaking of reckoning, we got to reckon with a tech show. Oh, we do. My goodness. How did it become one third of a time? I kept chatting. So, Allison, you're good with reading line three, right? Get to read line three. Yay. Allison's reading line three. So, Roger, how and Allison in and we will go from there. Wait, how's this countdown work again, sir? So, I count down three, two, and then I don't say one. The one is just heard internally in your head and then you start. It's joking. Yeah. All right. Yeah. In three, two. Terry Tindill has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Terry, become a DTNS member at patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for April 26th, 2019. It's a Friday and from Studio Feline, I'm Terry Lane. Fresh from the end game, I'm Len Peralta. And this is Allison Sheridan of the Podfeat Podcasts. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. Tom Merritt is out in Vegas today, having a good old time. We hope so anyway, but the four of us are gonna hold down the fort. I'm gonna start with a few tech things you should know. Let's start with Uber. The company disclosed that it plans to raise up to $9 billion in its IPO at a market cap of up to $84 billion, which would put Uber at one of the largest IPOs of all time. Uber reports projected Q1 2019 revenue of between $3 billion and $3.1 billion versus $2.58 billion in revenue for Q1 of 2018. Well, that sounds good, but Amazon at the same time revealed in its latest quarterly earnings that it's in the process of making free one-day shipping the default shipping option for Amazon Prime customers. Company CFO, Brian Olsavsky, stated the company has been working on improving its logistics over the past quarter saying, we're already starting down this path. We've expanded the number of zip codes eligible for one-day shipping, but added it will take us a significant amount of time to achieve. The company says it will reveal more details in the second quarter of the year. And Slack released its S1 filing in advance of going public reporting revenue of $400 million and a net loss of $139.8 million for its fiscal year, which ended in January. The company reported over 10 million daily active users with more than half located outside of the US. Slack reported 88,000 paying customers up 49% on the year, with customers paying over $100,000 annually for the service, that's up 93%. So that's a big, that's a big jump. Slack reported that in the year, paid users spent more than 90 minutes per day engaged on the platform. And that one, and that over one billion messages per week are sent by users under risk factors. The company listed the need to create systems to stay in compliance with data regulations like GDPR. That's really amazing to me that you can have a successful business with 88,000 paying customers out of 10 million daily active users. That's phenomenal. Yeah, I know. It's a strange world we live in. Speaking of, well, I don't even know if you call it strange anymore, but we do have some Facebook updates, Alison. Tell us what's the latest. I am shocked to report that the New York Times reports that the New York State Attorney General's office plans to open an investigation into Facebook's unauthorized collection of one and a half million email contact lists since May 2016. By the way, that's contact lists, right? Not contacts. Facebook has stated the collection was unintentional and that the contacts were used to improve Facebook's ad targeting, build social connections and recommend friends. Since reported by Business Insider last week, Facebook turned off the functionality and stated it was in the process of deleting the data. The company said it is responding to questions from the Attorney General's office. All right, Alison. At this point in the world of Facebook, half the time I'm like, ah, do we have to talk about Facebook again? But this is pretty significant. And I think at this point, my question to you is, when the company says, hey, we didn't realize what was going on and we're rectifying it best we can, how much do you believe them? You know, the first eight or 10 times, I'm sorry that I breached. I'm sorry that I did something I said I wasn't doing. I'm sorry, I kept doing something I said I wouldn't do anymore. We're a little bit thin, but did you guys report yesterday that user accounts are up and it was up a fair amount on Facebook? Yeah, yeah, the quarterly earnings report for Facebook. I mean, the company is not losing users, certainly. Worldwide it is gaining the majority of the world's population. I do think we need to get to a world where there are penalties for doing this, you know? I mean, I'm glad to see the state's attorney's office looking into it, but you know, let's put some meat behind that. All right, well, this might make you feel even worse. Meanwhile, Facebook notified Ireland's Data Protection Commission that it discovered hundreds of millions of user passwords associated with Facebook, Facebook Lite, and also Instagram, which is owned by Facebook, stored by the company in plain text format on its internal servers. The DPC began an inquiry in relation to this issue to determine whether or not Facebook has complied with its obligations under relevant provisions of the GDPR. There's that acronym again. The Canadian government is looking to into a similar issue as well. So, yeah, kind of a worldwide thing here. Yeah, well, this one is not as bad though, because this is a case of where they said, yeah, we were studying our internal stuff and look what we found, we found plain text passwords. So we screwed up again, but they came to them, right? This story is not about, they got caught. Yeah, no, it was definitely. This is what he has to sign. Yeah, this is what happened, we're letting you know. Yeah, that's gonna go on for a little while, it appears. Well, iFixit responded to Samsung's request to pull its Galaxy Fold teardown, but apparently not directly from Samsung itself. iFixit said in a statement, quote, we were providing our Galaxy Fold unit, we were provided our Galaxy Fold unit by a trusted partner. Samsung has requested through that partner that iFixit remove its teardown. We are under no obligation to remove our analysis legal or otherwise, but out of respect for this partner, whom we consider an ally in making devices more repairable, we are choosing to withdraw our story until we can purchase a Galaxy Fold at retail. Who's the partner? Yeah, and what leverage does Samsung have over that partner that they got this partner to say, oh, please, oh, please, oh, please, won't you take this down? Yeah, iFixit is, this is what iFixit does. So the fact that the Galaxy Fold has been folded indefinitely is obviously plays into the story here, but it is somewhat odd for iFixit to say, listen, third party came to us, Samsung wants this down, we want to play nice with third party, so we're doing that end of story. And maybe it is the end of the story. It's clearly Samsung wants to scrub all of the Galaxy Fold's opinions until it gets a few things right better in the next iteration, but it's interesting that it was worded the way that it was worded. Yeah, yeah, it definitely just makes you want to ask more questions. And iFixit report was even more valuable than the reporters who all had, or many of whom had their devices break on the Fold. Those were very interesting and the number of them versus how many phones were out there was significant, I think, but nobody knew why. When you looked at the iFixit information that showed, like you guys talked about on the show, about how big that gap was that, well, yeah, stuff's gonna get in there. And then when you fold it, it's gonna break when stuff gets in there. So that actually got to a root cause that was really concrete that we could all look at, not just, oh, you shouldn't have pulled off the screen protector that looked like every other screen protector. That almost felt like a red herring compared to what iFixit found out. Well, and again, this is a quote that iFixit put out into the world and somebody feet were held to the fire, it seems, but it is again worded in kind of a funny way where it's like, we didn't actually have a real Galaxy Fold that we purchased at retail. So once we do that, then we'll have a unit that we can be, I don't know. The whole thing is just sort of an odd, it's an odd story and it makes it feel salacious because we don't have that third party information. There's just part of the story that's not being told. Yeah, if it had just been, Samsung told us to take it down, we would have gone, aw, man. Right, exactly. Like, of course they did. Yeah, you know, Samsung got mad at iFixit type thing. iFixit's like, yeah, we've got this partner that gives us some like, some models and we'd like to get more in the future. And they're real good about repairability. So, yeah. That as well. Well, moving on. Oh, no, that one, you're sorry. Yeah, that's okay. Lime Scooters in Brisbane, Australia have been making suggestive and offensive comments to writers after pranksters swapped audio files on certain vehicles. You heard that right, the scooters were hacked. The scooters were talking to writers. The scooters were hacked to make a variety of comments. Some of them were sexual in nature. Some of them were offensive in nature. Local papers in the city reported this information. Lime also said that the prank was not funny and that it was working to return the hacked scooters to their normal state. So this would have been fun if they'd just done funny stuff. It's too bad that they turned to offensive and sexual stuff. They could have had fun with it. Well, some people think that offensive and sexual is also funny. But Roger and I were talking before the show because when I used to live in a different part of Los Angeles, scooters everywhere, I mean, littering the streets. But also being widely used and you could see, children and kids who are for sure younger than what the minimum age is supposed to be to ride scooters, not wearing helmets the whole thing and enjoying them very much. I stayed out of it. I'm too much of a Friday cat to even ride a scooter ever. But they have since creeped into my neighborhood and so you're seeing the same stuff. I just this morning, walking my dog. It's early at 7 a.m. and I see a kid who's obviously trying to get to school on time, riding a scooter and it's like kind of in traffic and the whole thing and the whole thing just, it just kind of freaks me out. And there's all, you know, assembly people in my neighborhood trying to figure out whether or not we ban these things. And that's a whole other topic. But when I hear about, you know, pranksters making scooters say, you know, offensive things. Yeah, I think like, oh man, there's a bunch of kids riding these. You know, so that's where it becomes something where it's like, it's not really all in good fun. No, that just got icky. Yeah. That was icky, unfortunately. That could have been a fun story, but it turned icky. Well, ProPublica, speaking of icky, ProPublica reports TurboTax uses deceptive design and misleading advertising to trick lower income Americans into paying to file their taxes even though they're eligible to do it for free. And to it, which owns TurboTax appears to be hiding this free option from Google search by adding code on its site telling search engines not to list TurboTax free file in search results. Senator Ron Wyden said in a statement that Intuit's practices are outrageous and that he plans to investigate further. You know, this story, you know, it hits hard considering a lot of us paid a lot of taxes earlier this week or last week, gosh. But yeah, it is very much true that if you're below a certain tax bracket, you know, you're making less than a certain amount per year then filing taxes is free. And the fact that TurboTax is so widely used, I'm a TurboTax user. I've been using TurboTax for years, off and on. But, you know, I've used it many times and it's always sort of like, let's hold your hand through this complicated process. We are here to help for a small fee, of course. You know, for me, it's always been like, yeah, you know, if you're a small business, maybe you pay for a certain tier. But to obfuscate the fact that it truly is free for a wide swath of people is pretty underhanded. And if they really did put code in that exempted that part in out of Google search, I mean, that shows intent, right? You don't just accidentally obfuscate the free part. Right. Yeah, it wasn't, yeah. It's very best. I mean, that's, you're terrible people if that's true. Well, okay, so you're, if you, okay, let's say that TurboTax did do this and the folks behind it were trying to get away with something that has now come to light. Now what? You know, they get fined. So, you know, what happens to so many people who use the service each year? Yeah, that'd be, well, I mean, the fun part would be is if they make them go back programmatically and figure out who shouldn't have had to pay, but they probably don't have access to what your actual numbers were. So, it would be hard to tell. Yeah, big, fat, fine. Well, make them work in a homeless shelter or something. Executives, you know? Come on. Moving on now, Waterford Upstart, which is a project started in Utah, the state of Utah, and spread across 15 US states, offers an online curriculum for children from low-income families and rural communities. All right. It was awarded an audacious project, rather, grant that's being criticized now by CCFC or the Campaign for a Commercial Freak Childhood who believe that online education in lieu of classroom and teachers will widen inequality. Nancy Karrison Page, she's an educational professor at Lesley University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, wrote as part of CCFC's letter to Ted, you know, Ted, as in Ted Talks, the organizers of the Audacious Project Initiative, quote, kids learned by playing, exploring, and interacting with adults, not by memorizing letters, numbers, and colors presented to them on screens, end quote. The Audacious Project offers a $280 million prize shared across eight projects to tackle the world's toughest challenges. Roger, I know that this story caught your eye before the show and, you know, wanted to get your take on why. So one of the things that technology has kind of been lauded for was now everyone can have access to quality educational curriculum via their tablet, via their PC, via their smart TV. And one of the things that educators, at least the educators I've known that are friends, was that like you're missing the crucial component of the feedback of a person next to you in front of you, where that's where, you know, they say a bulk of the learning happens when you have kind of a back and forth. As an adult, it might be different if you learn that way, because you've already been through that process, right? I've already been through grade school. I've already been through high school. So for me to take and learn things online might be a different proposition than a child whose contact so far will only be limited to personal family members, right? Their mother, brother, siblings, and stuff like that. And it's very interesting where you have a project or the Audacious Project, which is designed to give grant, cash money grants to projects to help solve an issue. And using technology, it sounds good, but at the same time, does it really achieve what you want it to do, right? Roger, the thing I thought about when reading this though is that Nancy Carlson Page is acting as though we are going to put out this curriculum that you sit in front of a computer screen and that's all that this child is ever going to get. I mean, you don't know that the adult isn't there playing it with them and asking them questions and interacting with them. You don't know that. That is true, but this program or the Upstart program is targeted at economically impoverished and rural areas which typically have both parents or a single parent working. Chances are that economic bracket will have less of that interaction that you're speaking of because of the economic situation that their parents will find. So the argument isn't though that technology is bad, is that for that situation, you might want to put money into something that will address their specific needs other than assuming everyone that has access to technology will learn the same way. Well, I don't know that they ever suggested that that would be as good as if they did have access to preschool, but if the child has no parent paying attention to them while they're sitting watching television versus no parent talking to them while they're learning something, I would contend that B was better than A. Not as good as having preschool available to them, for example. That would be a better situation, but if they don't have it at all, I don't see how having kids learn, memorize letters, numbers, and colors is a bad thing. Oh, no, I think the thrust of the argument is not so much that this is bad in and of itself is that the money could be better used for a program. Again, that is more beneficial to those people in that situation. Yeah, I think there are a couple of factors here that seem like they're not necessarily being stated but are implied, and that is, how young do you need to be in a classroom with a bunch of other kids in a teacher? These are pre-K children. These aren't first to... Because I don't think if the story was about kids being able to take a lot of online courses that there would be this sort of like, wait a second, are they really going to learn this college stuff? It's about being at a young enough age where it's not the same to be doing this remotely, potentially not the same. Again, this is kind of new stuff. I found Carlson Page's quote of saying that kids learn by playing and exploring and interacting with adults, not by memorizing letters and numbers and the like. I understand that sentiment. I also don't necessarily feel like I did much more than do exactly that in a classroom with a bunch of kids and a teacher back in the day, depending on the teacher. But I don't think that it is one of these situations that's as easy as saying, if you're all there in a room together, you're going to learn better than you would otherwise. Really depends on the kid. All right, with that, if you want to get all the Tech Headlines each day in about five minutes or less, subscribe to Dealey Tech Headlines, debt cam. All right, Allison, we're going to move on to discussion story that kind of came from you because you pulled a lot of your own audience on the story. And I thought it was really apropos for this Friday that we're having. And that's about learning technology. So when we talk about how do you learn your tech, what are we talking about? Well, the question I started thinking about was I create long form video tutorials for Don McAllister screencast online. They're 45 minutes. They're a deep dive into a single topic. They teach you everything you need to know about a piece of software. That's what I teach. But I started thinking about how do people actually like to learn things. So I pulled my audience in a couple of different forms. Do you read the manual? Do you use physical books? Do you just poke around in menus? Do you do a search for what you want to know and then just watch the video or read that little bit that you found? Or do you watch long form video tutorials? Or do you read long form web manuals? And I think what was interesting about the responses is they were pretty much all over the map. And I pulled a couple of them out here. I just wanted to say was Rose, she was all over long form video. Johann starts with a book, even a paper book, which was crazy. Chris said, oh, I used to read the manual, but now you know what? These things are so complex. I learned a subset of it and I just ignore the rest of it. Rick and Dave both said they learned by doing. Kaylee was a poke and search kind of person. Alistair says, I just tried to figure it out by myself. Dave talked about doing pair programming, where you pair up with somebody and program together, which I'm a huge fan of with my friend Dorothy. And then Caleb said, poke first, then when I can't figure out how to do manuals, and if I can't figure out from the manual, that's when I go to the video and audio. And I thought that was interesting because it just covered the entire spectrum, that there's all these different ways that we like to learn. Absolutely. I mean, a couple of years ago now, I started teaching myself Logic, which is an audio editing program, and it's extremely complex, mostly used for music. I happen to use it for podcast production. Who knows why I chose it, but that's the one that I use. And it is so much deeper than what I need to use it for, but I do run into problems every so often. And what I find almost, I don't think it's hilarious at the time because I'm usually really frustrated, but there's a help menu in there, right? So I say something like, captured freeze frame, or something that you think it'll highlight the answer if it's available somewhere within this program. And the program will just be like, no, don't have it. Well, you know who does have it? Someone on Google, because they've made a YouTube video about it. And then you kind of deal with someone's production of that tutorial video, which you either like or you don't like, or it's helpful or not. Are they crisp and right to it, or did they drag it out to make it cinematic performance? Exactly, yes. And yeah, lots of shout outs to other things. And for the most part, it's like, the answer that I'm searching for is somewhere out there, and I'll get there eventually. But it's funny how where I think it is most realistically going to be is often not the case anymore. You know, I'll actually give a shout out to Microsoft. Everybody hold on for me saying something like this, but I'm a big Excel aficionado, and the Excel help is extraordinarily good. I would say nine out of 10 times what I'm trying to figure out how to do, I can find it in Excel help. That is pretty much the end of the list of programs that I use where I would say, help is how I find anything. One of my favorite things to complain about is people love Pixelmator. It's a darling of the Mac, and now the iPad. I mean, people just love it, but their help manual, I'll say, okay, I need to learn how to do blah, blah, blah. So I find blah, blah, blah in the instructions, and it'll say, click on the icon for blah. And whatever that is, I don't know what it looks like. So they're telling me the icon, but I don't know how to find the icon because I don't know what it's called, and I don't know what it looks like. So it all depends on how well the documentation is written, whether the people really took the care from somebody's perspective, who doesn't know what they're doing. Well, it kind of goes back to our previous story where I think it largely just depends on the teacher. Like, who is teaching you this thing that you're trying to learn? And most of us, we're talking about non-Priké folks. But they're catching up, Sarah. Yeah, they really are. I'm sure there are some Priké logic kids who could teach me a thing or two, but there's just a lot of bad information out there, and we all kind of know that. You know, we're pretty good at being able to file away, you know, clickbait stuff, and when it comes to getting information in general, but when it comes to tutorials, I find that, at least for me, sometimes I'm so kind of at the end of my rope and so frustrated that I end up, again, you know, this is YouTube, but not always YouTube, but often just a video tutorial of somebody where I'm like, I don't know if you're a trusted source. I don't know if you're good at this at all, but I know that I need help, and so I'm searching for an answer from a complete stranger that I do not know on the internet to give me something else when I should probably be reading the manual. So at what point is there a limitation where you no longer, I mean, I guess this would be up to the individual, but where you can't glean information, where you can't self-teach yourself something. Like I wouldn't be able to self-teach myself how to spot weld, or weld, period, right? That's a dangerous first test. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Or for example, I wouldn't, if I tried to learn calculus on my own, I would have a bear of a time. I did much better when I had an instructor, so I could constantly pepper them with questions and get an instantaneous response instead of kind of going through this process of, okay, I don't know, let me see if I find the answer, and I got to make sure it's the right answer, because a lot of these, a lot of YouTube tutorials and stuff, sometimes they skip steps, and sometimes those steps are very crucial that allow you to bridge one step to another. And where do you figure out like, okay, I got to pay someone, or I got to pay for a class, or I need to enroll in the community college course? Well, I think Sarah sort of obliquely got to what my answer to that would be. And Barbu Shatzas I've mentioned quite a few times is doing a course with me called Programming by Stealth, where 75 or so episodes in in an audio podcast learning how to program, which sounds crazy, but it actually works because he has really good tutorial notes. But what he's been trying to do is take the training wheels off and not give us answers, like he'll give us things in the homework to do that he hasn't taught us how to do, or there's a big leap from here to here that you don't know the answer to, and what he's trying to get us to do, and I complain to him about it all the time though, is to find it, find it in the documentation, learn to read documentation is one of his big things. And so that's a big piece of it, but if a product is not well documented, that's where I think some handholding can come in. And I think the important thing to remember is that like you said, Sarah, everybody is different. Everybody learns differently. And my favorite example of this is that my buddy Narajan, I used to work together on web development and we discovered we were miscommunicating constantly because I speak in Cartesian coordinates and he speaks in color. So I would say go to the upper left-hand corner and he would say press the blue button. Well, if you said press the blue button, I couldn't find it because I wasn't looking for blue. I don't know, what do you mean blue? And he didn't know what I meant by going to the upper left-hand corner. So we had to learn to speak each other's language when teaching each other. It was really, really interesting. That is interesting. Well, you know who else is interesting? Everyone who participates in our subreddit because you submit all sorts of stories, you can submit them, you can vote on others as well. At dailytechnewshow.reddit.com we're also on Facebook, facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Real quickly, Martin submitted an email to our mailbag and says, hearing about the test story yesterday, he was talking about Walmart, reminded me that five months ago there seemed to be a big push from the Walmart Tech Labs advertising and software engineering podcast and on LinkedIn and websites as recruitment and to change their perspective in the developer community as somewhere to work in cool technology. In any case, just adding a little more info. It looks like they may have gotten some good talent. Nelson, I don't know. Do you think Walmart is kind of new, cool hip, have they reinvented themselves? Well, it's starting to feel like it. I mean, they're not dead yet, right? They're still thriving, so... Very much not dead yet. I'd like to hear that they are doing the AI stuff though because at least they're getting into something that is, could be a competitive advantage and keep the competition alive. Yeah, absolutely. With all of the folks who are shopping there regularly, to have more options is a good thing, especially because in many cases, at least the retail experience, Walmart, might be your only option. One option that we love to have on Fridays is Len for Rolte. Let's check in with you, Len. You've been drawn throughout the show. What do you got for us today? Well, you know, of course I have Avengers Endgame on the mind, top of mind here. And we're also talking about the best way to learn how to use a computer or your tech. And of course, everybody knows that the best way is to have Thanos teach you. And that is what the image is today. It's Thanos and little Gamora. And he's teaching her about the... Which is actually my first computer was the IBM 8088 PC computer, which was at the time the most powerful computing machine available to mankind, perfectly balanced with the 2400 Bod modem that can lock you in the BPSs and hack into your neighbor's spreadsheet programs. So that is awesome. 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Rob DiMello, who is a occasional guest, a regular guest, he had mentioned to us the last time he was on like a month ago that he listens to the show at night. Oh, okay. So, so Lenz or a joke about Good Morning Julia became Good Night Rob. Good Night Rob. Wait, who's Good Morning Julia? Uh, you have to know. Another problem I'm going to go there. We'll just connect to me. Wait a second, Alison, are you saying you don't listen to every single show of ours in great detail? I do. I don't always hear the intro though. No, no, no, it's, it's, it's. Usually, usually during good day internet. Totally giving you grief. Yes. So Good Morning Julia. Lynn, how do we even, how do we even describe? Good Morning Julia is a video that a gentleman made for a young woman. It's nothing, there's nothing bad about it. It's just really cringy. I guess that's the best way to say it. It's cringier than creepy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He, he, this guy, a much older man went and chased down this girl at the gym and then got her phone number and the very next morning recorded a video basically professing his love for her. Yeah. Not creepy. And he starts it off by saying Good Morning Julia. It's me. I forget his name. Joe. It's me, Joe. So every time now we do Good Morning Internet or Good Day Internet. I say Good Morning Julia. And then we say Good Night Rob. Good Night Rob. Just in case you're going to slumber and listening to the show. All right. I'm looking at titles. Yeah. Let's do that. I like Facebook means never having to say you're sorry. Has that been used before? I don't know. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's from Fred. All right, Fred. I'm voting on that one. Following your taxes for free isn't into it. If. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Clever. Clever. Facebook too big for its breaches. Oh my gosh. That's awesome. It's kind of good. That's really good too. You know, you could save one of those for later because it like tomorrow. Yeah. The next thing Facebook does badly, right? Right, yes. There's never, we never have too many clever Facebook titles. Ooh, treat yourself by, treat yourself by teaching yourself. Oh, okay. Rude scooters. That's fun to say. That's the name of my cover band. Rude scooters. Isn't that a good name? It's okay. It's like that. Wasn't Scooter one of the. Sounds like a ska band. Wasn't Scooter one of the Muppets? Yes. Or isn't. I'm not. Scooter was the guy who was responsible. He was a stage manager. Ah, yes. That's right. Yeah. Scooter was kind of, you kind of, kind of the, you know. He was a competent one. Yeah. It was a Mr. Fix It. You know, Scooter would always take care of stuff. That's right. Man, I love the Muppets show. So which one do you want to go with? I kind of, I'm kind of thinking Facebook too big for its breaches. I can go either way. I can go either way. But definitely say Facebook means never having to say you're sorry and get Fred credit because, like I said, tomorrow is another day. I love it. Well, Facebook's word of said sorry in this case. I mean, at least by disclosing some data issues to the country of Ireland. All right, let's go with Facebook too big for its breaches. I need a GDI title. And a GDI title. What did we talk about before? Oh, I wrote that down. So let me see. I just saw poke first, by the way. That was good because that was one of the things somebody said about how they learn poke first. Oh, yes. We, which is, which is, I'm, I think it was Kelsey, right? That's who you said it was. Kaley in Kaley. I'm with Kaley. I mean, I poke first. Just see if I can figure it out. Often I can't. Then I, then I start watching weird YouTube videos. We talk about Avengers Endgame, dog eating things, dramedies, like Northern Exposure, and shows that we feel a kinship with. Oh, all right. Well, we have a lot of those in here, which just goes to show you how compelling our actual show was. Pacific Heights. Pacific Heights, yeah. Full Pacific Heights, full house, full house. The whole waffle ball. Oh, Beatmaster points out if you use Endgame in the title, it could prevent people from listening. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. Nick, right. Nick with the C says no Endgame spoilers here. There you go. That's good. That's spelling it out because there weren't. But the people who get the GDI are people who subscribe or support the show, so they already know there's no Endgame. That's true. Except for the secret twist. I haven't even seen the movie. All I'll say about the movie, bring bring some Kleenex with you. Oh, I will cry. This is a crying movie. No, thank you. I had it. I didn't think that it would affect me. I'm going to stop him from talking about this movie. I'm going to do it. I went to see, got to see a screening of The Big Bang Theory, the fourth to the last episode. And it was fascinating because it's a live audience, and it's the longest running show with a live audience. And so our job is to laugh. And so they would show us a scene and we would laugh, and then they would do a cut and they do some stuff and they'd do it again. And they'd say, okay, first time you've ever heard these jokes, let's go and we do it again. But you saying about crying made me think of it. At one point they said something really sad, and the whole audience went, oh, like that. And they stopped us and went, no, we only want your laughter. We weren't allowed. I was like, well, don't do sad stuff then. The show's closing down. So there's a whole lot of moments in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how many excuses. Yeah, that was going to be my question, too. The live audience, that's the longest running sitcom with a live audience. Live audience, yeah. As of like a week before the one we did. So we were fourth to last. So whatever was right before that. I have to admit, I didn't realize the show was still going. Yeah, I thought when you're in syndication for like four years, that was your show. Right, it was probably it ended at some time. I did get kind of out of it for a while. I was embarrassed when I went there, because I hadn't seen like the last four episodes. And so I'm like, okay, what are their names again? You know, and everybody else, there's crazy Uber fans. I don't know. I never like, I could never get into that show. I can't say I hated the show, but I just can never get into it. I understand why normal people like it. I mean, I find that it's very polarizing. You're either a really big fan, or you're like, this isn't funny. And I'm kind of somewhere in the middle, or I'm like, I don't know. It's just sometimes it's on. Like maybe I'm, I don't watch it regularly, but maybe I'm flipping around like with an airplane, you know, TV option, or yeah, we're not, you just kind of, you know, you're wherever you are. And you're like, yeah, there's half an hour for this. And I find it amusing. I love it. I mean, as a nerd, that's why I didn't understand why other people liked it. Because, you know, yeah, like I'm a pretty nerdy guy and I can't laugh at that show at all. Well, but I mean, I mean, like, yeah. I think it's forcefully nerdy. And I think that that is a turnoff for some people. And for other people, they think it's funny. Like I hate, I hate force sentimentality, like Schmaltz in movies. Like, yeah, it's like, all right, guys dying. I guess I should feel some sort of like, you know, pathos, but it's like, no, I just want to get out of here, grab a hot dog and go home. I think to say this, the thing, the only thing I don't like about Big Bang Theory is the laugh track. Because they have a live audience. Why do they need a laugh track for? Well, I mean, there is a track that has the live audiences laughing on it. I'm calling that a laugh track. So you're saying you wish that it, there just wasn't a live audience? Or they would just mute, bring it down because it'll be like they spoke and then, it brings down with their bridge. It's just too much. It's in your face. I did not make that suggestion to them, though. I lost both my legs to a car accident. I remember back in the day when, well I'm going to use the Cossby show because that was just the first one that came to my mind. But it was like, Cossby show is filmed before a live studio audience, remember? Because there were certain shows that didn't have that. And so the shows that did, wanted you to know, this is real laughter with real people in a studio. Being I never understood, why don't they just reverse the camera and get a shot pan of the crowd? Right? If you're truly a live studio audience. But who wants to? Yeah. That's breaking the fourth wall in a way that doesn't end in the pot. They already broke the fourth wall when they told you that you shot in front of a live studio audience. Yeah, you could do it before or after the show. Both. No one besides on the Cosby show, no one has that many sensible sweaters to fill up the season. Without a word. I remember a day when Steve asked for Bill Cosby sweaters for Christmas. You know, I want the ones like what Bill wears. Somebody actually, I was wearing a sweater. It wasn't the other day because it was colder. But somebody was like, nice Bill Cosby sweater, Sarah. And I was like, excuse you. Like, I was so fed up. I'm like, this is the cool sweater because, you know, at this point, that's not really like a thing I want anybody to say about anything that I'm wearing. But then later I was like, I guess it is kind of a Bill Cosby sweater, you know. I'm gonna go for a walk because I've been sitting all day and I need to move. Do you need to make more about the end game and weep a few more tears? Bring some Kleenex with you. I need to talk to somebody who's seen it because. Well, it's not me. I know. I need to kind of unload and be like, here's what I think. Oh my gosh. But if you guys see it this weekend, you'll really enjoy it. I really enjoy it. What if you see it next week? Next week I won't be spoiled by then. But, you know, if you've watched all the movies, you'll, this is like. What if I watched most of the movies? You'll still be okay. This is, as long as you saw the main tentpole ones, I think it'll be okay. Yeah. I watched Ant-Man and the Wasp. That is a. That's a good one to watch. That's a good movie. That's a good one to watch. Love that. Captain Marvel's a good one to watch. I've not seen that one. I've seen clips of it and I'm still on the fence. You know, here's the thing. You don't even really need to know that much about Captain Marvel to. This is the thing. I know pretty much everything about all the characters because I used to read them in high school and college and now. But I don't know all that much about what they showed in the movies. So, like, I've seen, I've seen the Avengers. I've seen Black Panther. I've seen all the Thor's and all the Iron Man's and Captain America Winter Soldier. Well, I'm waiting to hear, like, after this weekend passes, then, like, some of the other things. Well, you're going to, you're going to talk to, you're going to be able to talk to Tom and you two can have, you know, friend time with each other as you discuss the movie. Wait, wait, this just in. Big news. Tim D.G. says Big Bang showed a picture of the live audience once during the credits to prove it wasn't a laugh track. Oh, Steve. Wow. There you go. All right. Well, we have a live audience, but I can't show it to you because, well, we're... They're all over the world. They're all over the world. But we'll catch you next week when Tom is back. Until then, see everyone on the live video stream. Bye.