 I'm a big believer in people getting college degrees and doing that, but I think it's important that we stress particularly in the high schools that a four-year brick and ivy may be one way to get advanced knowledge and skills, but it's not the only way. And I think we need to increase our emphasis on concrete vocational skills. You can have gainful employment doing things like welding or things in other skilled trades, and it doesn't require you to go $50,000 in debt to get a degree that you're never going to use.