各位同學們,歡迎參加本年度中國辯論會,我是倫敦大學雅飛學院中國研究院院長,我叫Michel Hawks。下面我將簡單的用英文介紹今天晚上的活動安排和內容。今天的討論是關於關於中國辯論中的影響。我們很高興我們有我們的辯論主席, Ms. Carrie Gracie, the BBC China editor.Carrie's reporting from and about China has, I firmly believe, set new standards for TV journalism about the country,introducing BBC viewers all over the world to many different aspects of China,and doing so in a tone and with an open-mindedness that sets her apart from many of her colleagues.And apologies to those colleagues if they happen to be in the room. Joining Carrie on the panel are Professor Barbara Mittler from the University of Heidelberg,who is an expert on modern Chinese culture,and the author of an award-winning highly revisionist study of the culture of the Cultural Revolution.Next to Professor Mittler, Mr. Gordon Orr, Senior Advisor to McKinsey,board member of Lenovo and Swire Pacific,and a highly influential analyst of and blogger about China's economic development.And last but by no means least, Sir David Tang,highly prominent member of the UK and Hong Kong business communities,supporter of the arts and many other good causes,and most recently founder of the China exchange,a wonderful space for debate and discussion right in the middle of London's Chinatown,devoted to the same kind of dialogue that we hope to foster here tonight.And I'm proud to announce that the SOAS China Institute's centenary exhibitionwill take place in the China exchange next year.The event today will follow the so-called Question Time format,focusing on Q&A and discussion,and there will be ample opportunity during the second half of the eventfor audience participation.You may be rowdy.For now however, I'm delighted to hand over to our moderatorand I ask that you please join me in welcoming her and the other panelists.Thank you Michelle and great to see everybody here tonight.It's exhilarating to be with such a distinguished paneland such a large assembled China brainas I can see out there in front of me.Journalists,academics,diplomats,you've grown up in China.You're all going to over the next hour,90 minutes or so demonstrate that we together are morethan the sum of our parts when it comes to enrichingour understanding of this amazing civilization.So please take part.We're going to start with a panel discussion up here,but then I want you all to speak your minds,whether you agree,whether you disagree,whether you think someone's spoken our nonsense,please speak up.Keep it polite though,because although Michelle says we may be rowdy,we are podcast and so for the sake of online viewersand listeners and other people in the room,no swearing,no brawling please.But other than that,let's just get on with it,I think.So first up,we're going to have three minutes uninterruptedfrom each of our panelists and then we're going toup here for a few minutes on the ideas that each of themcome up with.We got into a huddle in the green roomback there about who was going to go first.And there wasn't much enthusiasm for going first,I have to say,but we decided to make Gordon go first.Gordon,it's up for you.You have three minutes.I'm going to put some nice Chinese chimes on my phoneto time you,just so that it doesn't sound likeI've been rude when I stop you.I'm going to time myself to keep you honest.I'd like to start with a couple of thoughts on tradeand economic revolutions.And Michelle was talking about anniversaries,and I think if we stretch it a little bit,it's somewhere close to 850 years since Marco Poloshowed up in Beijing.And that was one of the first instances of China tradecausing disruption around the rest of the world.Even in the time of the Romans,they were worrying about the trade deficit with Chinaand trying to block Chinese imports.Slightly differently though from today,it was China that was protecting the IPand Europe that was trying to steal it at that point,something that's reversed a little bit in recent years.But we did see the creation of silk route infrastructureechoed around what we're seeingunder the new initiatives against the silk road today.It was asset.It was capital light at that point in time.Today,it's very capital heavy.And we've seen,I think through the years,the decade,the centuries,the ambivalence of Chinatowards foreign companies operating in China.And we've seen eras of extreme opennessto encourage transversive technologyand intellectual property.And we've seen eras that step back from that,whether it's through forcible removalor incremental throttling down.And I think we're seeing some of that incrementalthrottling down again today,whether it's around,you know,Apple's results as we saw yesterdayin pharmaceuticals and baby foodand like you see foreign companies succeedingfor a period of timeand then their market position diminishing.As importantly,coming to the present date,I'd like to talk to the economic revolutionthat started in 1991when Zhu Rongji took on the economic portfolioin China.Then,it was a time of political crisis.Shambhal was,say,hard authoritarianismof high inflation,of essentially a bankrupt state.Tax revenue was less than 10%to GDP.The economic crisis was clear.The levers to pull were simple,strongand pulled very,very rapidly.There was a crisis.It was addressed.It laid the foundations for 20 years,25 years of economic transformation.It enabled the export economy.It put the path of modern infrastructure in place.It stripped out the bad debt from the banks.But it did repress the consumer, repress consumer consumptionfor most of the next 25 years.Where we are todayVery good.Where we are todayis to finish the sentence.We need an...It's like I started so I finished.You're committed.That we're at a pointwhere we need an equivalent scaleof revolution economicallyto enable China's economy to grow,to be more consumer driven,to have market allocation of capitaland a number of other thingsthat we may touch onin greater detail later.But without the overarchingpolitical crisisto enable it.And I think the big challenge todayand the big question is to what extentwill the leadership,whether it's this year,next year or the year afterbe able to face up to this challengeand set in role the new revolutionon the economic dimensionsthat China and Chinese societyin Chinese middle class really needs.Thank you.In a way,I should let everyone applaud there.But I wanted to ask.So in a way you're sayingJurongji was a closet revolutionaryand we need another.I think we should have an enormousnumber of statues toJurongjiall around China.And the question is who's going to bealongside him from histhis generation if anyone.So David,who's alongside?Well,I thought it was mouseDang Xiaoping who actuallylet the way.Perhaps there ought to be more statuesof him thanJurongji.Without Dang Xiaoping,I didn't thinkJurongjiwould have succeededmost of the things he did.This is like the fantasy football team,isn't it?The fantasy revolutionary teamfor the next stage of China.Barbara,who's on your team?None of these.None of these.I think Xi Jinping is going to make it.And the reason is the following.I'm going to sing it to you.太陽重生Now I'm notI'm not making this up.This is a song that wasnicely very nice.And I was going to put it on screen,but for some reason it's notpossible to put it on the screen.Anyway,there's a beautifuland you can look it up inYouTube.Just look up Dongfang Hongnew version of Xi Jinping.And you will find it.It's the new,the east is red.And it just came out in March.So it's very,very recent.And it is,it sort of provesthat the king is dead.Long live the king has finally arrivedin China.Because basically since Mao died,I would say,and remnants of revolution.Since Mao died,nobody made itto become the king.Mao still hangs on Tiananmensquare,but maybe soonit'll be Xi Jinping.華国风 didn't make it.鄧小平 didn't make it.朱鎔基 is not in that fieldanyway.None of these made it,but Xi Jinping is trying.I don't know whether he'sgoing to succeed,but atleast he has sort of cultureon his side,a remnantof a revolutionary culturethat is a very,very,very,verystrong culture.Why is it so strong?Because it was sort ofaccompanied by political movements.And these political movementsand especially the cultural revolutionbut not only the cultural revolutionhave impacted on almosteveryone's lives.There is hardly anyone who hasn'tbeen somehow impactedby this revolution.Even the kids that weren'tborn during the cultural revolutionstill get a lot of itin those nostalgia restaurantsin all of these internetmuseums that have been builtand so onand so forth.Culture revolution cultureor the Chinese revolutionwhich is what I'm arguing.I don't think we can talk aboutculture revolution culture,butthat culture is actually onethat goes back all the way intothe 19th,20s,30sof the 20th century.It is so important that it willnot go away.And so to think of socialismbeing dead in China,inspite of the fact thatmarket economy is very much aliveis probably not the right wayto think about it.So if we think about those datesthatMichelle also broughtup earlier,1916was the date whenthe attempt to create anothermonarchy was made.1916 is the momentwhen Mao,the new kingthe new emperorcalls for a revolutionthat is supposed to toppleall of the bureaucracy,includingthe emperor,perhaps.2016 is the momentas I said,whenthe king is back.Xijin Ping.In betweenthere are many,many momentsand I would want to draw your attentionto the fact that the six1966 hassomething to do with1969,1986the studentmovements have something to dowith 1989.1996the 中國可以說不movement,the time whenall these books came outthat China can do without America,withoutthe U.S.And in 1999with the bombardmentthe embassythe Chinese embassyandsort of uproarin anti-American feelingsbut only for a very,very short time.So all of these dateshave a link to later datesand sometimes they go viraland sometimes they go up.AnywayI have to stop.You doand I suppose what youdidn't have time to saybut I'm interested in pressing you foris the answer foris there a purpose beyond being the new king?Does Xi Jinpinghave purpose?Is he trying to do Gordon's revolution?I think so.Whether he's trying to doGordon's revolution.No.That's a new branding.I've tried like that.He's definitely trying to doa new kind of revolution.And what is the content?I know Gordon's revolutionis not the generally agreed term in China.But that structuralhuge adjustmentto build a modern economy.Is that his purpose?That's one of his purpose.His purpose is民族復興.That is arenaissance of the Chinese people.That's the Chinese dream.And that Chinese dream containsand that's really,really importantin the third verse of this song.It's no longerpeople's liberation.人民族復興as in the old song.But it's 人民力量the power of the people.of the Chinese people.of China as a country that he's out for.And that can be economic power.It's also political power in that song.All of the images behind that third verseare of military equipment.And all of these wonderfuldemonstrations of Chineseequipment and missilesand so on and so forth.So it's very clear what that power is all about.And Gordon,do you see Xi Jinpingas the man?Is that comprehensive powerachievable byhis kind of politics?I think it's more achievablewith a strong,centralizedleader who's clearly in controlof all the levers of government.It's much more readilydoable today or 2017after the nextleadership shiftsthan it was in 2012or 2011with Hu Jintaoand compromise and consensualleadership.Sir David.You want me to comment or do you want me to say?We're just brainstorming Barbara's.I totally disagree.I will tell you whyat the end of what I'm going to say if I may.Shall I put your timer on?Yes you can.When the title was presented to meI thought about itand I came to the conclusion thatnone of the remnants of revolutionin China was Chineseand is complete nonsenseto think thatin the last centurywhere Chinaunderwentone of the most tumultuous momentsin her entire 4,000-yearhistory.First of all 1912it became a republic.It was unheard of.If somebody told somebodyat the turn of the centuryit was going to be a rubric democracyand there was going to be a republicthe emperor was going to goand even in factthe last Qing dynastythey weren't even Han Chinesethey were already foreignersand my thesis here is thatinfluence in Chinaactually caused all the revolutionsin China and we're going to watch it.Now in 1912 we got democracynever heard of before republicanismnever heard of beforeSun Yat-sen came alongand he wanted to do land reforma bit of Henry Georgeand then suddenlyyou have Chiang Kai-shekwho was a bit of a traitor in my mindbut he went off to Taiwanand he was a very good capitalistthe city in San Franciscowhat's that called?Silicon Valley was probably because of Taiwanand Taiwan becameI think the second largestcountry was the hugest reserveat one stage.It was a very good businessmanand then of courseMao who changedChina totallywith Marxismthe man who's buriednot so far away from hereand so suddenlyI thoughtwait a momentwe've got all these theorieswhat I call Henry Kissinger theoryofChina being an incrediblecountry of historyof 5000year going back to Confuciusbut actually he doesn't talk like that to Iraqnot Iran or Egyptmany civilizationshave actually got as long historyas China as respectablethe point I'm makingis that communism in 1949October 1actually became the summitof the conversion of the Chinese cultureand is corruptedif that's the right wordbywestern preceptKarl Marx socialismnow even beforethat when Chiang Kai-shekstarted his Kongmentonggovernmentin the 30she also asked the Germansto come and help themto build the militaryjust like the Min-Ju revolutionin Japan, you know, 100 years beforeand nowDeng Xiaoping came along and what does he wanthe wants to introduce capitalismwell, there it isthis is the power todayand I want to say that there are two other thingsvery quicklywhat is happening is that the internetin the world todaywhich is also brought by western civilizationis going to be the challenge for the revolutionand the greatest challenge of allis propagandafrom October 1we have propagandaas a revolutionthe silent revolution which has got to be put downand I don't think that Xi Jinpingnot even Xi Jinpingcan come and becomethe silencer of thatwhich you try to do with the media and so forthand I think is inevitablethat actually Chinais going to bemore and morenon-Chineseand it's going to be more and more westernI'm not sayingwhether it's a good thing or notbut that's the view I havethat's the revolution we've got to containif we want a great Chinawe might have to acceptthe western revolutionin this world of globalizationwell, thank youthat's lots to digest and lots to pick apartthat's freshest in our mindsthe question ofall dangerous revolutionscoming from outside Chinawell, in a waythat would explainXi Jinping's concern abouthostile foreign forces at the moment, wouldn't it?but you can't change historyhe wants to makelookthe whole anti-corruptionmovementwas to pacifythe population of Chinainto believingthat things areactually going to changesocially. Tiananmen Squarewas not about democracyit was about corruptionit was about social injusticeand what Xi Jinping cameto do was absolutely correctif I were him I would have done the same thingbut what has he got to put downin terms of anti-corruptionnow rememberin 2009 became presidenthe did one thingwhich completely changed modern Chinahe assumed the power of the chairmanshipof the military commissionand also became the headof the communist partyso suddenly Zhang Jimingbecame the absolute leaderand if there was anybodywho qualified for a portraitit would be Zhang Jimingbecause he not only ruled for two termshe extended it for three yearsbut he came alongis well known that he wasstill the power behind the throneso we're talking about 18 yearsof the Shanghai mafiawith a PLAthe largest employer in the worldnext to the NHSby the way2 million people18 years of systematic corruptionthat's what Xi Jinping has got to deal withand then 8 million people in jails nowI don't think is a very easy taskand if you ask meI think trouble is brewingso just pursuing the thought thoughyou said that dangerous revolutions come fromoutside China the revolutions that topplenot dangerous I'm just stating a factit's not dangerous it's how China has been shapedin the last 120 yearsso obviously from the communist party'sperspective that is any topplingof existing regimeis dangerous to themso does he face a greater dangerfrom within from the 80 years of corruptionthat's why he's got the problemthat's why I disagree with the professorin her marvellousChinese garband wonderfulsing song voiceis it from yourno it's not Shanghai tankget off the stageso just finish the pointthat's why you disagree with Barbarayes I meantwicetwice as muchbecause I think alsolookhas anybody told mehow any decisionof the Chinese government has ever been madesince 1949 October 1usually about seven or nine membersof a standing committee of thepollet bureau not one person hasever spokenever given open the lipsI think Burshily was about to do soand he was immediately clamped downwhat we don't knowis what goes on in the mindsof all these people who comeacross these decisionsbut all I can tell youis that the anti-corruptioneven the anti-corruption processwhich defines what is going onin China todayis a very very dangerousprocessbecauseyou are dealing withthe remnant of 18 yearsof systematic corruptionsingularlyjust even the PLA aloneof 2 million peoplejust think of the scale of thatwhere do you thinkall the billionaires come fromwhere do you thinkwhy Hong Kong is the biggest Chineselaundry in the worldhow is it possiblethat any of this moneywhen you cannot send more than 5000euros out of the countrywhere do they come fromthe taxes owned by Chinesetrinity squares owned by Chinesethe taxesowned by Chinesethe buses owned by Chinesewhere do you think these money come fromwhen in fact since 1949you couldn't even remit money outbarbraseason pin is the new monarchwith every powerand every song to gladden our heartsbut how is he going to deal with these problemsthat I don't knowbut I was going to sayI think you're completely wrongsaying that these revolutionshave all come from the westat least they haveChineseI'm always in this conversationwith Chinese characteristicsChinese characteristicsI mean no noI knowone is westone is westthe reason why I'm saying thisChinese is always been accusedand I think rightly sothat he hasn't really read his marksthat he was much more interestedin reading drawings and other such thingsand writing poetry in the styletown poets and so on and so forththan actually studying his marksand so to say that his revolutionwhich really is not a Marxistrevolutionis the dangers that come along with itis something imported from outsideI find very differentit's socialismwhen socialism ever presented itselfin china 4000 years ofdynastic historycan I ask a different questioncommunismwhere does it come fromI'm not talking about the westthe revolution not coming from the westwesternideasvery important differencewesternideologiesthat's whythey still wear suitsto have state visitsthey don't wear mouth jacketsthey love westernthingsso Barbara do you acceptso davis argument thatdisruptive innovative ideasare coming from outside chinaabsolutely disagreebecause I thinkno not outside china sorrywesternideasI'm not talking about somebody'sthe CIA or the MI6you know peoplenot that they canI'm talking aboutthe whole conceptyou can't get away from the factthat communism or socialismwith chinese characteristicthat is stilla western preceptthe idea ofthe egalitarian statewhere peoplestandards are liftedyou get an answerwe're gonna takewe're gonna take a show of hands on who agrees with who herebut Barbara gets to sayyou get to answerI just wanna say something on the suitand then also on myI thinkgoing with Zhang Zhidong who is an officialin the 19th centurywho was sayingChinese is sort of the toolno no the western thing is the tooland the chinese is the substancethis really is happeningwith the suitin the beginning in the early 20th centuryyou wear a suit as a chineseyou wear a suit for certain occasionsbecause you want to make a pointbut you wear your chinese gownfor other occasions also becauseyou want to make a pointbut by nowwearing a suit is just maybemore apt or morecomfortable or wearing jeansmore comfortable or whateverand there is no ideologyto the jeansexcept other types of ideologiesbut Barbara answer the underlying pointwhich was that all of the bigdisruptive revolutionary ideas have come from the westthat have turned things upside down in chinaI mean they have not come from the westis the chinese taking them from the westand then doing something with thembut it was the differencetaking from the west and coming from westtaking from the west coming from the westmeans the west comes and gives you thisand it's being meanyou must answer thatwas the difference between coming from the westand taking from the westit's just passive verbs, active verbsI don't care, I want to hear from the audience nowso can wecan we just take a show of handson who in this assemblythinks thathow to phrase thisso that Sir Davies is not going to disagree with my vocabthat the big disruptiverevolutionary ideasin china over the lastcouple of centuries have predominantlycome from the westthat Sir Davies viewers I understand itand Barbara profoundly disagreesand says china takes them and does what it wantsbut the ideas are coming from withinso who's for Sir Davies argumenthands upyou can go forI think it's time to get to the audienceso do we have a microphoneand then we'll have aso that was Sir Daviesit's a hard to count but I'd say maybe a thirdhow many people agree with Barbarathat creative political ideasbig revolutionary ideasin other ways are coming from within chinathat I'd say is a smaller numberso an awful lot of people don't believe in votingyeahbut there's also that potentialthat we haven't coveredhaving covered the variousthe various optionsI'd like to raise a question about thisbut before I do thatI do think it's time to bring all of you inwe've got microphones nowso if anyone has a questionor a point they wanted to makelet's take the gentleman holding the penin the blue top therethank you very muchI'd like to turn the question around180 degreeswe hear a huge amount about china's civilizationone of the characteristicsof civilizations is that they spreadfar beyond if they're powerfulfar beyond the borders of the country in which they originatecould anyone name pleasethe idea that has come out of china in the last 100 yearsthat has swept the worldand I mean that in the Victor Hugosense of nothing has a force like an ideawhose time has comeand I don't count now as in for exactlythe reason that David Tang mentionedThanks for that questionwho would like to answer thatwe haven't had from Gordon for a whilelet's go for GordonI was going to gothat the I thinkif we didn't haveforeign influence in the world ofbusiness and markets that we've hadin china over the last 35 yearsthere would have beennono chinese miracle at allyou wouldn't have had the urbanizationof the tens of millions the GDP growththe creation of the middle class and the likeand that came almost entirelyfrom the adoptionof foreign businessmethodologies and approachesand the acceptanceof the worldthat it would buy goodsthat were made in chinaso I think to your questionI think the mostimpactful thing that has come from chinaover the last3035 yearsis made in chinait's changednot just chinese societyit's changed the worldchanged our view of tradecreateddeflation around the world's made things cheaperfor millions of not billions of peopleit's createdincredibly distortingat bubblesin energy and basic materialsand without reallyintending toChina's growthcreated a geopoliticala geoeconomic impactthat was way beyond anythingthat they were even consideringit just happenedmy examples are more historicalbut they are also equally importantthe examination system in Francefor example the civil examination systemis a chineseideareformed and rechained in the same wayit wasn't taken from chinabut it was used by themin very creative waysthis is the civil examination systemthat's still in place todayit's calledpolytechniquei think Barbara the question waswithin the last 100 yearsthat's what they do at the endof the 19th centurywithin the last big 100 yearsanywaythen the other thing that i thinkis really really importantin popular cultureis the zen of archerythe zen of lovethe zen of cookingyou know that againis something that has influencedso many of youeven without you knowingand it's chineseDavidin factyou don't have to look at 100 yearsin factby your turning question aroundI would sing the praisesyou just have to rememberconfucius two thingstwo things has changed the worldborn in 551that's two and a half thousand years agoand that has actually influencedthe world in a major waynumber one the examination systemwas taken entirelyfrom the chinese not from the westthis is where I actually also disagreebut in an opposite directionthe idea ofmeritocracy becausethe whole point about theimperial examination systemwas that anyone could sit for themand become a civil servantand go up the ladderthis idea of meritocracyit's the first time that I was introduced in chinaand we now talk aboutyou know whether bloodor meritocracy a great dealI mean that argument cameperhaps later with Muhammadthe difference between the shiaisand the sunisbut 551 BCfrom fuchsia sayslet's have a meritocracypeople have equal chancesand the other thing he didwas of coursehe wrote the first anthology of poetryand hewas the first personto have collected poetryand demonstrating the beautyof human imaginationand soactually going backthese are the twoabsolute chinese characteristicsthat's actuallyyou down to earthand actually affected every civilizationin the worldthank you all threelet's take another questiondown herethank youthank you very muchI am for the third choice actuallyyou see if we look atthe history of modern chinaby the way by modern chinaI mean from1840the opium warand we could see thatthe ideasthat are behindthe changeswhether reformistor revolutionaryactually are from both withinand withoutfrom within as we know thatthe traditionalthe gongyang thoughts of chinesetraditional ideathat is whenever the societyis faced with problemsthe gongyang idea would riseand actually the laterchin thinkers advocatedand developed the gongyang ideasto a very very high rateand sothis is definitely an idea for changeand actually it is the backboneof the reformist thoughtin laterchin periodand from the outsidewe could see thatafter opium warthe influence from the westwhether Marxismwhether the french revolutionwhether japanjapan is not the west by the wayand they all come inand they influencethe chinese thinkerstremendouslyand so much so thatin late 1890sthe idea ofcomplete westernizationwas very much highnow we can see thatthe chinese thinkerslike phasatoneven laterlaternation etchoweveractually also point outthatsome otherthinkers are veryvery much wornwarning the chineseagainst the disruptiverevolutionary influencesfrom the west對於中國有關的影響謝謝謝謝你我想問一個問題如果大家可以抱歉我會提供給大家看是關於開放和討論因為那是一段時間在19世紀的結尾很多不同的想法都被關於和開放但在中國的歷史上對於中國有關的影響是關於開放和討論是關於開放這回應我認為是關於中國需要的外國藝術這些外國人來給它們想法和解釋是否一個必須的方式 David是很複雜的在看中國的習近平學生、學生、律師、藝術人、藝術人都被關閉只能說我告訴你你能說話嗎能說話嗎所以那種有關的技術關閉可以中國在那裡還是要有一個大大的突然的極端的對象在外面沒有當然沒有它會在哪裡在網上今天我們知道今天你無法搜尋你無法搜尋有個火箭但後來我並不認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber space我認為中國共和黨可以停止資訊的 spread透過 cyber 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