 Welcome to a very, very, very, very special episode of the movement, strength and play podcast by the school cast. And it's Timbo, what is better than a 100 podcast 180. That's a big number of dots 180. Let's go say 101. No, 200 more is better. Now, also quality is important as well. Two is the 200th, the duble century, or quattro, as the Italians would say. No, duce, duet, doppio. Quattro is not a four. Yeah, I know, just testing it. Just checking you on your toes and you've been doing your linguistic homework. Do a lingo. 200 episodes and today in this episode, I'm going to hit you with some facts and figures, but we're going to look back on some of the best guests and best advice that we think we have managed to take on board from these incredible guests to hopefully give our listeners a reminder. And some of you might not have, and you started recently listening so you might not have known who our first ever guest was and what are some of the biggest takeaway messages from the podcast to help you with your training life and health and wellness. All right, this was served as a good recommendations list as well, weren't it? For the ones to go back and pick out, are we doing worse guests? We haven't had any. Oh, okay. This is what you said to me before we came on live. We've been guests each on the podcast, so we'll say those. Oh, that was my best ones. Right, should we get into it? Otherwise we're going to end up crashing this intro and we'll just kind of roll into a conversation about best guests before we've actually rolled a jingle. Yes, no, of course. And to celebrate the 200th episode, remember we have the Strength and Play Bundle special for October. Check out the details for that in the link below. You get all of the programs and tutorials for improving your training and your conditioning through movement, strength and play with that special offer for October. There's a lot of fun to be had in that training program. Lots of things to learn, lots of fun to be had, probably loads of stuff you've never done before. That in itself should be a reason just to go and check it out. Perfect. I got to the point then. I didn't want to waffle. I was just going to check it out. Go straight in. Right, so we're going to have a little bit of a, I don't know what we're going to say. I don't know what this is going to be. It's going to be a relaxing conversation, looking back in some history and hopefully remembering some fond times and conversations with interesting people. So sit back and enjoy us doing that. Roll that jingle. I want to kick things off the feet. Everyone loves a little stat, don't they? I do. Exactly. I want to kick things off with a little bit of a quiz slash thing for you where we're going to say how many, to the nearest million now, how many, because I'll give you a guess, it is less than a million, but how many, according to the statistics that I have in front of me, how many downloads slash listens of the movement strength and play podcast combined with when it was previously called the Scorecast Sense podcast has there been to date? Now, I have got zero context for this because I don't look at the stats for the podcast. So I'm going to say, and this could be embarrassing, 623,429. Oh, very specific. In front of me, I haven't got it as detailed. I've got 755,000. I wanted to go 750, but I thought I'd play it conservative. So I didn't look like I'd over-egged it and thought I was better than we actually are. That's good, then. Someone would be like, oh, is that it? Anyway, let's push on hard to a million. That would be exciting, wouldn't it? Yes. The other part of the quiz, and I thought this fascinated me when I saw it. Now, for the first X number of episodes, there were no guests. There was just me and thee. Q&A style questions. And it wasn't until which number episode did we have our first guest? Oh, good one. That's good. And then you asked me who that guest was. I'm going to say we probably maybe did 18. Good guess. And I wish I liked being Quiz Master, but I also would like to... I can't answer this question because I know the answer to it. I'd have liked to have guessed it because...anyway. 15. I was surprised. We did 9. Did we? Before we had a guest on? On our 10th, we had our first guest. Now, for a little bonus question, Timbo, on our 9th episode, can you remember what it was? I think I can remember who the guest was. Oh, no, the 10th episode was the guest. Oh, right, 9th episode. Do you remember what the 9th episode, the last one that was me and thee? Cracky. I'll give you a clue. We recorded it outside the coffee shop at Blend on the seats. In the picture, you're wearing a vest. Right. In that episode, I think I might have talked about skill acquisition and motor control, potentially. You talk about that on most of them. That's true. It was programming in nutrition. I only said it because we probably don't really normally talk about nutrition. Anyway, so, you reckon you know who... I definitely didn't know this. Our first guest was... A man called Kenny, who'd written a book. No. Catch again. Yeah. I don't think you'll get it because it's a real... It's a bit unfair that we had that and then we had a few without any guests and then guests started coming in. No, I don't know them. We did have Seth on. Right. I was going to outside the School of Classics. Mr. Ross. Edgley. Edgley. That was an in-face-to-face one, wasn't it? Wasn't it Cracky? Our first guest, we've fallen a long way since, haven't we? We recorded that in your front room. And you look back and you go, Cracky, if that's what we started with. And potentially our best guest. There you go. We're all in and out. Can I stop you a second? I haven't told you to get close to the mic before we started. I am now going to ask you to get a little bit... You're getting very excited. It's all right. I enjoy it. I like the presentation, but I can't communicate that to you. We haven't got a producer who can speak in your ear. Can we actually pause proceedings? We can cut that bit out. Go on. Yeah. We had Ross Edgley, athlete adventurer. And it was just before he set off on his big swim around Great Britain. So, with that being said, who would you... Because he's one of mine, and I'll say why in a second, but I thought you could go with... Looking back at some of the guests, who would you like to give a bit of a mention to as a one to go back and listen to for people if they either haven't, or even if it's like, well, yeah, that was a good one. There was a lot in there, and I probably forgot some of that stuff. Go back and check it out if you've got any. Well, you know, when you're recording as regularly as we do, you do sort of lose a little bit of track of who we've spoken to. So I have to think back to the names, and I'm going to kind of just wrap this up in a little bit of just wider context, because that's how I do. But what I've enjoyed is particularly training conversations, I think for me. So I like it when people come and talk training. And I like it when you start to kind of listen to the series of those and you realize that everyone's saying the same stuff. It's just the application or the environment or the task or the skill or whatever it is that we're talking about differs. So we got Mark Smelly-Bell on a while back, like who knows a lot about lifting heavy weights. And I don't think he really knew a lot about calisthenics because he was sort of like, well, I can do push-ups, what else do you do? He'd not really kind of ventured into it, but we kind of did have a really good conversation about training variables and just it all comes down to the same thing. So whether you're in powerlifting, bodybuilding, or calisthenics, the principles that we use to create adaptation and therefore reach our goals are all the same. And yeah, that was just an interesting conversation because it was, I remember saying to you before we started that one, this could go two ways. He might be like amazing or just be like, you guys need to get in the gym and lift some weights. But he wasn't. He was very open to bodyweight training. He was actually using it a little bit. And I think that might have been quite early days towards the start of lockdown because he was out all of a sudden out at home and we were chatting about what can you do? But yeah, hopefully, I don't know whether he's done any calisthenics since, but he's certainly done very little before because his calisthenics knowledge was squats and push-ups and just trying to do as many bodyweight squats as you can do. But I enjoyed that one. And then the other ones that I've particularly springed to mind are my best mate, Mike Fitch. He's not answering my calls much anymore. And also Ryan from GMB. And largely, the reason I like those is that Mark probably falls into this category as well, is, now I can't remember the quote so I won't say it, but it's something about like beware of an old man in an industry or something. But like basically saying people who have been around and block a few times generally are going to bring a fair amount of wisdom to the table because we've kind of, we've gone past the kind of, oh, this is all shiny, glittery sort of stuff. And this is where I kind of feel like I am now in my training so I've kind of gone through this process of seeing lots of calisthenics stuff, lots of different kind of expressions of it. And that was the conversation where Mike and Ryan was at. It was like, yeah, now you can do that stuff if you want but like, let's not hold our identity with it and let's do some other stuff as well. And yeah, it's cool. But we also can train other ways. It was just a very honest, like just, let's say simple in like a negative way, but it was just quite, I felt quite pure conversation about just four older people in the industry looking back at it and going, this is, yeah, this is kind of what I see, having had it a few years and put quite a bit of skin in the game. Yeah, yeah. No, I think it's similar with, I've got to mention my man crush, Carl Paoli when we had him. I knew we would get away with that. I didn't, I purposely didn't choose Carl because I knew you would. You could have it, yeah. But it falls into that same category of like, oh, it was really interesting where the conversation went and it's this more sort of like when you're talking with someone else and we've not been in that sphere compared to, you know, Ryan and Mike Vitch and Carl have probably been in that sort of like, that space and doing the whole online thing in movement and everything for, what, 10 plus years, whatever. Whereas, you know, we'd been playing rugby and doing strength edition and coaching in a different like sphere. And interestingly how they all, that similarity of like looking at like how they've all sort of, that overall approach and look at it of being like, I don't know, softened around the edges, if you know what I mean. They all, everyone would say something about like, you know, haters on social media. They all said something to do with that. And it's just, that type of thing was just interesting to hear, you know, some of the like nicest people that you see in your meet and put out tremendous content, like still get people like hating on them and criticizing them or whatever and that they all, that idea of having appreciation of like, probably to use, I'll butcher it, but it's sort of like one of Carl's sort of phrases of appreciating all forms of training and movement and not thinking your way is right and someone else's way is wrong or that there is this black and white. And I think that that was from a wider perspective, good to hear and I'm sure you'll agree that some of these guests that we've had on has shaped our own thinking around training and what's sort of important out of it. So people want to look, Mark Smully Bell's Episode 126 I was trying to find these for you so you can, or you go and I'll just find those with the one you mentioned. Yeah, I think that's like, that's probably one thing that's, in terms of reflecting and obviously the opportunity that comes with the podcast is to speak to the people and get people's perspective and ask them basic questions that are on our mind, hoping that that's also going to serve the audience. And I think it is an interesting like what's the outcome for us on the podcast and I know you're quite keen to sort of you speak to somebody and go and try some stuff like we've had Neezavito guy Ben Patrick on and now you do some backwards running and you're kind of going to play around with some of this. Backwards running, very good for my knees where my knees are sore. And I think that's the Yeah, I think that's probably just having done 200 episodes and talked through quite a lot of things a lot of people. There's also, I just, it highlights to me is how we often get sort of people frustrated with this because when they ask a question we say, well, it depends. And I think you kind of, what I'm sort of, we've interviewed some quite niche people over the years and what you realise is that I think there's something to be taken from all of it but happiness for me probably relies in some of it. I think we can, one thing that I think is I look back and we've had people on and go, if you try and do all this stuff you're going to drive yourself crazy because it's impossible depending on how busy the rest of your life is like and what other stuff you kind of got going on and how much time you have for it but you could listen to this and you can only implement that and implement that and all of a sudden you're overwhelmed by implementing all of this stuff and the reality of that for me is it's impossible and you will actually be unhappy by trying to chase that. You've got to kind of listen to it and find your expression and rhythm of all of these things how does this stuff fit into your training what training do you like to do? What can you learn from Mark Bell which is going to be useful for your training what can you learn from Sally Bell our functional health or doctor what elements of that and then within that even kind of her four or five pillars which one of those are you really going to start to focus on and we've had sleep people or nutrition people on we've had like all this sort of stuff and I just think there's something to be taken from all of it but there also needs to be things which we have to kind of go that's just not for now. Tim Boat I think that's one of the best bits of advice you've ever given I think that there is I mean that and that is because it's so easy to get information overload a good example for this would be I can say this because she doesn't listen to the podcast Mrs Jaco if you are in the vicinity of her and she's doing something chances are there's a podcast on and it's like she is gaining information all the time can we just have some quiet this information but you can have information overload with the podcast you might be an avid listener to every single one it's like in your warm-ups for your training some eye movements whilst holding your breath whilst running backwards whilst doing this and it's like just too much stuff for the body to do in your brain's handle and all that as you say but what I think is really great about the podcast and if we can take this sort of approach of going I'm going to listen to this information and be educated or enlightened by it and then choose as to whether I'm actually going to necessarily implement so me knowing about something like when we had Glenn from the National Circus on and some of the things around like juggling and coordination and all that sort of good stuff and vestibular system and all this is like do I have an appreciation for that do I currently juggle in my day-to-day and in some of my training and stuff? No I don't but I understand how it could fit in and if I wanted to do something like that then I might implement some of it or whatever but it doesn't mean I have to do all of it but having an awareness of these different areas that's probably been the most enlightening thing for me about the podcast and one of the things that we've we've both enjoyed is just having this like array, plethora to use one of your favourite words. Plethora Plethora Plethora that's what the Italians would call it of guess like such wide-ranging it's massively expanded my own and I hope it has done for the listeners as well our own sort of just appreciation of like what type of information is out there I find that like the world and this is probably driven by social media largely has become social media has become very niche you and I are in this as well so we have calisthenics right and then you've also got your breathing stuff and that's now a big focus of your attention and what people are starting to know you for as somebody who's a breath coach I'm doing more in shoulders now so people are starting to know me as a shoulder guy and then we get the lymph guy, Perrion from Stop Chasing Pain and then we get somebody around toxicity and then we get somebody like all of this stuff so we now have these things and then we actually create a little echo chamber when we do the podcast because you bring them in and then we we talk to them about their area of expertise and specialism which is their world because that's kind of the message that they're portraying I think that is good but for most people we actually want to be better generalists like we're not that person who's pushing that message so for me like I take my own situation I'm kind of putting quite a bit of shoulder content out of the moment well people also need to look after the knees and the hips like I'm not saying just do shoulders that's the most important thing in the world like and we also need to breathe a certain way and we need to like all of this stuff just like flows into the mix and I think I think it's really important for people to understand that and not to as you say not to get overloaded by and not to become paralyzed by and not to get stressed out by all this information because it's crazy the amount that's now out there and the niches are just getting more and more numerous let's say there's more niches appearing as we start to understand more about the world and people starting to latch on and build a passion in those areas but I certainly haven't implemented everything we've done in 200 podcasts and I just can't like the reality is I can't I can't do that I'm going to throw some other ones at you just to lighten the mood a bit because that was a bit so Ryan from GMB was 158 I'm going to put these in the show notes for people that was an honest conversation yeah that was cool that was very cool do you know actually the other thing I want to say is like the thing that probably and this is a little bit selfish I love most about the podcast is that you get to feel like your friends with a guest afterwards a little bit it's the ongoing conversations that have like carried on after that has been like and literally just in like a in a friendship way like you could literally send Ryan a message now and he'd be like hey man and like it would just be like your mates so I was going to throw some that was about giving my next point actually the people that we're now friends with I say friends like not that we like Dana Sanchez I was going to say Dana B-boy Wicked is now my flair's go he was good another one I also really enjoyed it I think he's actually one of maybe the most important listens if we're going to go and throw something back for people to really go have a think about is Peter from Piper's Farm where our food comes from that is an important it's not it's Peter Grieg it's not Peter Piper is it not? I've been telling him it's Peter Piper can you believe that what a chance SOC 5 5% off your organic grass-fed beef and all sorts of other beautiful amazing food at Piper's Farms Sally Bell joins on that one and we had a great just a conversation around where food comes from we are in the world is kind of so oblivious to this and this is one thing which I frustrates me about mainstream media we're in the middle of a petrol crisis at the moment which I'm 100% sure would not be as bad if it wasn't for the media like egging it up it would be so bad if everyone would just act normally exactly but they're doing it because the government is telling everybody there's a problem or not a government sorry the news is telling everyone there's a problem so everyone's now panicked by it but like these conversations around nutrition particularly are super important and the voices of people like Sally and Peter should be voices that we're elevating over the mass market and marketing budgets of huge food producers because they are not telling you the truth and yes it's more expensive let's just wrap this point up to buy meat from a place like Piper's Farm but there's a reason for it it might be more expensive to buy equipment from certain people but that's probably because there's a reason that it's been made in a certain way which respects human rights and health and safety and that sort of stuff but like there is a social responsibility within some of this to actually listen to some of these voices and elevate those potentially higher than others that we choose to give our attention to totally I've just found Mike Fitch 168 best made and without wanting to basically say all of them because it's going to be quite a big list for me I'll put these in the show notes so people can actually see them and without wanting to just add more I'm just going to if I can have two more one you'll definitely agree with the brain guy why am I going to forget his real name I feel bad now well that's why he's the brain guy that's why you need to be a guy I feel like I've had conversations with him Scott Robinson there you go the brain guy like what a guy like straight up he got him twice he was that good knowledge and the knowledge that guy's got was like just a exceptionally nice man great man doing amazing things like helping people with like crazy sort of injuries to get better or improve their life so like shout out to him and then the far my final one I almost almost forgot when we had actually because this then tells the story a little bit of a story of like the process of getting a guest on and why it's also exciting for us read a book go I'm cranky that was good send them a message on Instagram and see if you can get them on the podcast I did that with I've done that with a few people but Patrick McCarey from The Oxford Vantage I knew we wouldn't get through the podcast I nearly forgot I swear I nearly forgot but yeah again top man but that was been like a little bit mind blowing for me when you've gone like you know you read a book and you go like well cranky this person's like you know really either famous or I don't know we have we're all just people right but at times you think like and I look at some of the people that we've had on I can't believe we've got them on but yeah but that's the I guess that's the that's one of the great sides of the world the connected internet world now it's quite easy to get in contact with people I'm gonna go without Jacko if people listen to it to this so I think there is a there's an opportunity for podcasts to evolve because typically this is the thing right where we get people on we talk about their area of expertise and we come away thinking that this is possibly the most important thing that we need to now think about because that person is going to be massively passionate about their subject area I've listened to a couple of podcasts where there's someone who's got a guest on or two guests on and then they've had a relatively sort of confrontational conversation now I think that's a bit of a tricky one because you don't see good interviewers like properly stripping like things are people but there's certain worlds within health and fitness and I won't name the physios specifically but physios where they are quite happy to like have a proper like dig at each other yeah and it's like I think it's I like the idea of getting people on with different opinions or from different perspectives but I don't want that to become an argument and I'm right you're not so you've got to like people need to come on who are open to kind of rethinking and being having their opinions changed so that's just my idea but like if people are listening to this and going what would you like to see us talk about who would you like to have us join get on get someone on that hates calisthenics I'm kind of keen on that because I just think the world of podcasts is everybody is like it's a platform for people to kind of agree with each other basically and if we get somebody on it's rude to get to go and I disagree with what you're saying I think it's complete god's wallet I've not said that word for a long time just came out do you know what I mean it would be a very short interview potentially if that's how it went down but that's an interesting one because you're then going well are people open to actually coming on and having conversations where they're willing to have their opinions changed or not going to be challenged like I don't want to stand here and defend and come from a place where I've got to defend and then we can probably from that discourse kind of like learn something I don't know that a working podcast world but it might we could be a frontier are we ourselves open to that would be quite damaging if at the end of a podcast episode yeah calisthenics is crap this is probably an offline conversation but this is where you sort of we probably think we have a responsibility to be putting out information and getting guests on which we think he's going to be supporting the message that we want to put out into the world but is that also reinforcing our own echo chamber and beliefs and getting philosophical I think somebody might have done this already I think it's a very successful either podcast or like BBC4 show where there's a guy who gets two people on like he'll get like a Christian atheist on and he just kind of like he'll sit there and let him go for it but beautifully manages a conversation it takes a bit of skill I don't think you and I are like we just could we do that I don't know but if anyone's got any good ideas for like what they would like the movements channel podcast to be about between episode 200 and 300 then you should let us know yes and I wanted to just sign off by saying from me and Tim huge thank you to everyone that listens and an even bigger thank you if that's okay to all of the guests that we've had on because the first nine episodes were just me and Tim and I doubt that we would have got to the place we are now we certainly have heard if we didn't have any guests on and it's the amazing guests and the listeners that make this podcast what it is so thank you everyone for coming on and also listening and you know as we have been you'll be surprised at who we can get on this podcast so if you have any although what is I've had it some people go which I think it was it was like you know when we say like you know send us send us some suggestions and then what did someone put on it was something ridiculous like you say but it wasn't you say but it was it was like yeah we've got you know there's any so far we can go yeah yeah there's a hybrid the realistic there's like a podcast league isn't there if you're in a premiership you can get other premiership guests if you're not we're not yeah we're not quite there you can't quite get that leverage and I'm just gonna finish one story I don't know if we told this story at the time but it'll make you laugh Jack because we reckon what's the word I can't think of it when we look back on on how the podcast unit and obviously people will realise they listen to us and go it's a smooth operation the boys have got running here they've run a tight ship they've got professional editing all that sort of stuff I mean there was a time when we got Sal from Mind Pump lined up now we haven't said this is a good podcast actually so this is back to us now what we thought what was happening was that we were being interviewed on Mind Pump there had been a communication breakdown between the people behind the scenes Jacko and Mind Pump my PA David your PA David and the Mind Pump PA he was not called Sal had there had been a miscommunication we thought we were getting on Mind Pump we were like this is big news Jacko I was like Mind Pump is a big podcast we're gonna get on there we're gonna get interviewed by Sal and then Sal thought we were gonna get interviewed on our podcast hence why that was probably happening but we started off and we went right let's record them and it went silent because it was literally like we didn't have that weird awkward conversation until after it was like right yeah let's go yeah cool let's go then we went quiet waiting for Sal to ask us the first question at the same time he was quiet waiting for us to ask him the next first question and then that happened twice right guys you said yeah we're there and it stopped again and then there was like and then we had to go were you interviewing us or and they were like oh no I thought you were interviewing us it's a really awkward feeling on there like and we had no questions lined up we were like we we thought we were being interviewed so we not prepped anything so then we had to like literally we were sat there live in Jacko's kitchen then it was like we were just muddling together some questions to get through an interview it was just like it was like it was then there was like when you see two dogs you know see each other and it's like one of them bows down to the bigger dog and it was like Sal's got a much bigger podcast and it was like okay I know we'll interview you then yeah we recognised our position in the conference league of champ of a podcast compared to his premiership and we were like okay yeah we'll interview you but we had nothing lined up nothing prepped and actually people came back I came off that podcast and went oh that was a car crash like and then loads of people got in touch with me that was amazing I love that podcast sometimes you show you need the best work when you're under the most amount of pressure that is yes well I laughed out loud a number of times they're timbo very good story there's probably some other stories we could tell about the podcast but we'll save them for episode 300 I'm not sure if Sal's still listening or not so he probably won't even hear this but I'm sure he'll remember that fun he did though to be fair off the back of that we almost got to fly out and go and film some content with them but we've never really kind of stuck that together they were keen for some human flag stuff to to put out but anyway maybe that's a trip for another time right let's sign off after that little story time thank you again I'm just going to thank everybody I thank you to all the pop people who've come on as guests we don't pay people that's how the podcast world works so people generous generously I meant to say give us their time and we really appreciate it and all the people we haven't mentioned as well if we just haven't mentioned you it doesn't mean that we don't love you for your time you know expertise as well we do and yeah we look forward to hopefully scaling the scaling ourselves up the leagues to continue to get great guests on for your listening pleasure yeah so thank you all for listening and if you haven't given us a review yet within 200 episodes and you've been listening to a lot of them then we would massively appreciate a review on iTunes, Spotify or wherever you listen to your podcast just helps with the ratings and other people find the podcast too so we'd appreciate that thank you very very much until next time keep exploring your physical potential through movement, strength and play Class dismissed