 Welcome to the Monday, August the third 2020 meeting of the material design and review committee. I will let staff and members introduce themselves by speaking their names. Martha Smirsky. Oh, you got to unmute yourself, Liz. Liz Pritchett. And Smith. Steve Everett. And staff Meredith Crandall. Meredith, would you like to review the remote meeting procedures? I will do it. Let me, as everybody on here, except for maybe just in this, I usually share my screen so that anybody who's watching number work. I can see. The login information. There we go. Can everybody see this? Yes. All right. Nope. I'm just going to do this. People can't see Mike's contact information. So do the state of emergency declared by Governor Scott as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic and pursuant to addendum six to executive order. This meeting. I don't know what you're talking about. The meeting is set up electronically and there's no physical location to observe and listen contemporaneously to this meeting. However, with the temporary amendments to the meeting law. The committee is providing public access to the meeting by hosting a video conference meeting, including both video and telephone access options over the zoom platform. There's also the option to view live streaming of the meeting over ability to communicate at the same time during this meeting through this platform and the public has access to listen and if desired participate in the meeting. If you're watching on Orca, you can join the meeting by downloading this new platform and using this link. I'm going to mute some people because there's some interference going on. So you can use this link to join or you can also call using this phone number here and in either of those options here's the meeting ID and password. This information has previously been given to the public through our standard public hearing notices that are posted throughout the city posted on the city website and you can also access instructions for how to get here on our pending applications page. So there's that link there. If you have problems with access, please email me at mcrandall c-r-a-n-d-a-l-l at montpelier-vt.org and if you have any difficulties once you're in the Zoom meeting you can use the chat function so you raise these issues with me and I will help you as best I can. You know, Jesse you're pretty much the only one on here tonight we don't have it doesn't look like we have any members of the public. If somebody does log on I'll go through this all again for them but what we're going to do here with the DRC meeting is we'll get to your item on the agenda just like in the live you know in-person meetings you'll have an opportunity to present your application and describe it. What I'm going to ask is that when you aren't talking you meet yourself so we don't have a lot of feedback. If members of the public do end up logging in then we're going to ask that you introduce yourself when you log in and potentially even just by chatting with me via the chat function and then try and keep your questions or comments to two minutes at which time DRC members will then have a chance to ask you questions or take your questions and bring them to the applicant and of course the chair can always grant additional time in addition to those two minutes. So in the event the public is unable to access this meeting if I get notices via email or something that people just can't log in then it's going to be continued to a time and place certain and as I said we ask that you keep your microphones on mute when you're not speaking. I don't have anybody on the phone right now if somebody does call in there are ways to raise your hand even if you're just on the phone so let me know if that happens and then finally all votes taken during this meeting that are not unanimous will be done by roll call vote in accordance with the law. Now hand this back over to Steve and we don't have anybody in the waiting room. You're muted Steve if you're trying to talk. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay good. Do I hear a motion to approve the agenda from the committee members? I move to approve the agenda. I'll second. All in favor speak your names. Martha. Liz. Hannah. And Steve. So the agenda's approved so we can move forward to the first application for 66 Main Street for Great American Enterprises. I assume Jesse you're there to describe the application. I am yes thank you all for making the time here and coming out over Zoom to have a meeting. You all have may or may not have seen our outdoor installation for charliots downtown and I kind of tasked my manager with going through the appropriate channels to figure out what needed to happen in order for her to activate that space and it seems like she may have missed some steps along the way so I'm here to try to cover the bases with all of you and hope that hope that you like what we are calling the veranda which I think is obviously very funny only because charliots is such like a biker kind of bar and the veranda seems totally hilarious and absurd but really what we're trying to do what we can to kind of keep business viable sales are down considerably even with the extra space that we have been able to use outside there but at the same time it's helpful to be able to kind of be able to operate charliots safely during this time and I think a lot of people have enjoyed being able to come out and do that. I think our staff is making sure that they are acting responsibly. Admittedly I know that the activation is not as handsome as we would like for it to be and really the hope is that long term there may be a more permanent play and that's kind of dependent on financial feasibilities we're still trying to figure out if this works if it's problematic if you folks like it or not and whether or not you know it's really working from a business standpoint and like I said even with this installation sales are significantly lower than normal so the the idea here is that we are you know we have our fenced off area which right now is snow kind of like hazard fencing for snow our plan is to you've probably seen some of the packet that I sent along I hope that everybody has had a chance to look through it. Jesse I can share screens so that people can see it if you want me to pull that up. Oh okay that seems like it would be would be helpful if you could pull up the detail for our fake foliage while I'm talking through that. The idea is to kind of make that make that snow fencing look a little bit less like snow fencing and more like a garden space though I realize it takes a it takes a little bit of imagination to to see that still. Is it sorry Meredith is that coming is that coming up and I don't see it on my end do you guys all see that? No. Okay so hold on let me try again sorry. Oh no problem. Screen. Oh there you are you clicked the wrong one that's why. Wow. Yes perfect so this is kind of a this is a cut sheet detail of what this um what this ivy is meant to look like and so the idea is we're you know we're gonna if you all approve we're gonna purchase some of this to um to go around the perimeter of the space here so that uh you know it cut it kind of covers that that fencing that is there and looking particularly temporary and make it look a little bit more purposeful. Is that poison ivy? Don't yeah don't that's the idea don't touch it. It's poison ivy that's what I'm gonna put this I'm gonna tell everyone it's poison ivy so they don't mess with it. So right so we're we plan to we plan to put to put that up around the perimeter um we have uh we have kind of an archway that is up front now as uh as uh entry to the space to kind of so uh bartenders can check IDs and kind of deal with crowd control there because right now it's one entrance in one and uh and a separate entrance out you know try to try to keep travel uh appropriate and safe um and then the the last addition at least for for this kind of what we're calling veranda 1.0 here is uh some lighting and I was in burlington at Daedalus the wine bar there and they put together what I thought was kind of really smart uh temporary a temporary solution for lighting that didn't affect the site and since we are kind of working from a temporary standpoint here before we come to come back to you with a more permanent application depending on how successful the outdoor space is the thinking was this barrel and pole and post situation those barrels are filled with sand so they're incredibly heavy you would have to be monstrously strong to to move those but at the same time the sand can be removed and then the barrels can be taken off site the the point there being that we don't have to affect the site in any kind of physical way um and that you know that's the that is the idea there um below and if you if you scroll down further uh the sand that's all I am we had oops sorry I can't hear you are you going to have to install any extra power lines or plugs or anything for the lights no so the there will there will be an extension cord from the rear of the bar that will activate the lights during service but that extension cord is going to be kind of plugged in and unplugged and and brought back into the bar every evening so we there won't be any need for additional power jessie I was a little confused when I saw the archway that that looks to me like the back of the black door it is exact it is exactly that that also is our space so I I commandeered that well nobody was using the black door okay so yeah so that's exactly right just has that been moved into this space that you want it then it is it's right people can walk through it from the sidewalk on main street at this point yeah okay okay um and I had I had uh I had talked to ben cheney about uh using one of um one of his sculptures here as kind of the central post because we'll need one post in the in the middle to be kind of the tallest of the post to to hold the lights up in that canopy shape we're still trying to figure out exactly how moving that to the site is done because it turns out that those are pretty they're pretty difficult to move they're they're heavy but we're still working on on that I thought also thought it would be nice to have kind of a you know a piece of art that people had seen around town kind of a public activation as part of the space so that is why I included those kind of individuals here you said that you consider this to be sort of a temporary thing how long into the fall or the winter do you expect to be there at this point I don't I don't foresee us um staying there longer than the end of October um we have yeah at this point that is that's the proposed cut off unless for some reason November seems to be unseasonably warm but you know it's it's Vermont that seems pretty unlikely yeah but yeah so it's through so temporary through the end of October and you know at that point at that point we're it's a little unclear how people are going to feel about getting together inside you know and especially with a small space like charlie is how we're going to you know keep everybody patrons feeling safe but also staff feeling safe I think it's kind of a move it's kind of a moving target we're and we're not the only ones who are thinking about how that piece works so I'm not sure I you know outside ends probably at the end of October and then we'll see how people feel about about coming in coming inside at this point we're only allowing people inside to use restrooms even though uh there you know you can have 25 capacity inside what we have found is that people were generally just being badly behaved about social distancing I I don't think that a bar is a very good place to socially distance people don't go there for that reason so that's so we're we're trying to figure out what that means and I guess as far as the temporary nature of this application I kind of I went over kind of the I guess the particulars of what it is for now and I'm hoping I'm hoping that you that you all understand the reasoning behind some of the kind of cost effective measures that that we're taking here but the hope really is that if it's working we can activate the space in a way that is kind of more permanent and also feels more permanent you know proper proper fencing uh proper lighting appropriate signage you'll notice there's uh there's not signage as part of this application I think for now we're just going to be using a sandwich board um and uh and an open flag but the hope is if this is something that that people like and we can do safely and in a way that is respectful of neighbors then maybe it does become something more permanent and um so I will I will likely come back again with that idea if this is working Jesse just one quick question I assume I assume the barrels would be located within the perimeter of the fencing they would that's correct yes okay just to clarify yeah no that was a that was a good that was a good clarification I should have I I should have shown that on a diagram now that's fine does anyone else any of the other committee members have any questions comments or suggestions I'm sorry Eric did you have a comment I'm good oh okay if nobody else has anything to add I can go down through the criteria on on the recommendation form evaluation criteria number one preservation to reconstruction of the appropriate historic style if the proposed projects in the historic district or involves an historic structure I would say in this particular case that's not applicable number two harmony of exterior design with other properties in the district acceptable number three compatibility of proposed exterior materials with other properties in the district acceptable number four compatibility of proposed landscaping the temporary fence is acceptable in this particular application prevention of the use of incompatible designs buildings color schemes or exterior materials acceptable location and appearance of all utilities specifically the lighting acceptable recognition of and respect for view corridors and significant vistas including gateway views of the city and state house again this temporary installation is acceptable all in favor of the applications speak your name Eric and Steve so the application is approved thank you thank you guys I'll thank all of you I really appreciate it welcome we appreciate everyone's effort to uh maintain some kind of level of business in town we are trying yet no thank thank you for that for that understanding will this be administratively approved yeah this is administrative permit we'll need to finish up the administrative site plan report um but we just that's just paperwork we need to finish that up and get this out to you so give me give me a few days okay okay thank you jessie and good luck with your project yeah thanks so much thank you all guys I appreciate it you're welcome and the next item is forced to review the meeting minutes of july the 20th is everyone had a chance to look at those does anyone have any comments regarding the minutes meredith I found a typo or a small error in the first in the 34 berry street application it's in the paragraph that says it was considered a non-contributing structure the last word in that line where it says if that should be left out wait wait wait wait thank you any other suggestions or comments well I wasn't at that meeting so I probably shouldn't comment but I did look it up I thought it was a contributing structure in the historic district I mean it was built it's you know pretty simple but um anyway I think well what was decided at the meeting because I wasn't able to be there I think that they they did say that it was a contributing structure that it was in 1947 it started as non-contributing when it was first very first and then is now classified as a contributing oh correct okay I misunderstood what's what what martha said thank you no my correction list was just on the grammar yeah we still have enough to approve because martha Eric and Steve were all at that meeting yeah I moved to accept the minutes from the July 20th meeting do I hear a second Eric would you like to second yeah we lost his sound I can see him mounting second okay we'll have we'll accept that as a second so all in favor of accepting the minutes speak your name martha Steve and we heard we heard a little noise from Eric so that we assume that's accepting you can raise your hand there and that'll show up awesome does anyone else have any other comments or other business at this point if not do I hear a motion to adjourn in the other business just a reminder to everybody here and anybody who's watching on orca that the next designer view committee meeting is going to be Tuesday September 8th so we all have about a little more than a month off um but it's also it's a Tuesdays the day after Labor Day okay thank you okay now do I hear a motion to adjourn I'm on second all in favor of adjournment speak your name Eric Martha meeting is adjourned thank you all very much thank you thank you thanks all bye